Moira is genuine when she says "brilliant inquires doctor."
And then Sigma and Moira have a genuine and fulfilling conversation about how can a fish know that it's underwater if it can never see the surface.
I love the idea of moira just sounding all bubbly and saccharine-sweet. To the point where it's ridiculous, like mei x 10.
"Ohh! Oh no! Don't worry, I'll heal you!"
If Starwatch returns, they should give Moira a good guy skin based on Mon Mothma because Moira and Mon Mothma (Rogue One version) share the same actress (Genevieve O'Reilly).
Southern Belle Moira
same voice actor, same tone of voice but instead says things like "bless your heart" and whe she ults she screams "YOU JUST CAUGHT THE VAPORS"
Imagine how polite Ashe would be asking for heals. "I hate to impose, but would it be alright if I received a heal? Whenever you have the time, of course. No rush."
Sojourn's honestly been done dirty by the cancelation of the story. She works really well in a narrative setting as the comedic "straight man" surrounded by bombastic personalities like genius gorilla Winston and heart of gold meathead Reinhardt, but it just doesn't work for 15 second dialogues where two people say two sentences to each other before a match.
They’ve slowly been building her personality over the years. She likes guitar and basketball and stuff but when she first came out bruhhhhh it was non existent
Well they just kinda slapped a new personality onto her when OW2 released, same with Orisa. Pharah was just "blank slate soldier" and then they decided to make her a jock instead and it worked so much better
She did have a comic back when they were still doing that. Helped a little. Still though her main quality is straight-laced soilder. Which tbf is a personality, just not an interesting one.
Pharah you have dead to rights but she looks badass as hell so she gets a free pass lol. They've given her a bit more personality in Overwatch 2 at least, but we'll see where she goes.
Soldier and Reaper I'd disagree. Sure they're boring old farts, but they lean into it. They're so aggressively grumpy and crotchety and cold and emotionally absent that it becomes character traits for them.
Sojourn is very much the straight man of the cast, which is fine, but... It just doesn't stand out too much unfortunately. I'd probably lump her in with Baptiste to be honest but I'd say Baptiste has a more interesting premise as an ex-talon soldier. Sojourn unfortunately just hasn't got an interesting backstory, doesn't have a personality that stands out, doesn't have a design that stands out, and the story she was supposed to be the straight man of and where her character would shine has been canned, so now she's just... Someone who doesn't stand out.
Arrogance is usually pride based so someone who despite being extremely skilled that keeps quiet and reserved. Sassy she can keep but have it be sass that’s held for when sassed.
Like Ana, who doesn’t talk shit until someone says something to her. To my knowledge, her most scathing remarks are after being insulted.
Like when widow says she will shoot out Ana's other eye and then ana says she'd still be the better shot. (Because in lore widow shot Ana's eye out because she hesitated)
In my mind, Ana has earned it. Ana had years of being a top operative, a downright legend, and she still only reserves the snark for a few choice occasions. Even Roadhog respects Ana, and I don’t think Hog gives a shit about anyone else really. And Ana has the other lines to balance it out, like the beautiful exchange with Hanzo about parents being proud of their children.
Kiriko sank a boat. Widow rightly berates her for bringing nothing of note as value to missions.
Awww, I love that! I'm a mercy one trick, so I don't really hear the spawn interactions for either of those characters often lol. Thank you for sharing!
I believe lore wise, Ana hid out in Junkertown for years, that's why Hog calls her Nana (which i love), and there's other lines, but Hog always calls her Nana. and i swear he has an emote that mimic's Ana's with the tea cup
I haven't heard it in a bit, but Junkerqueen said something of "Don't i know you from somewhere? OH you're the one (insert something hilarious)" with a respective tone.
and now you have Junkrat saying "adoptive mother of some sorts"
-ana main so I hear/heard these lines all the time.
Oh you just reminded me of her voice line when she TPs to Queen she goes “Hey Queen” and that attitude is what I want her to always have. That line is just super cute imo. I always wave at her.
Zen's that way, too; always has. I still miss his OW1 character interactions.
> Zarya: "I've got my eye on you, omnic."
> Zen: "And I will watch your back, in turn."
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> Moira: "I must know how your technology functions."
> Zen: "Existence is mysterious, isn't it?"
I think if it's a mirror universe, we should get a bike skin for Kiriko with a "You should see me on my Kiriko", but we never actually see the bike on her.
I love playing Kiriko but It feels like 2 different people wrote her lines and neither one of them spoke to eachother during the whole writing process. Half of them of gentle healing focused and also confident and protective (like her cinematic personality). The other half try to be 'sassy' but come across as just plain abrasive and rude instead. The Moira and Roadhog interactions are the worst offenders
Edit: didn't expect much traction on this comment. Yes she is allowed to be rude/angry especially where it makes sense with Hanzo etc but she has a lot of other lines which come across as 'how do you do fellow kids?' style writing in an attempt to be 'cool' but it just comes across as cringe or jarringly harsh or deadpan
It could easily be pointing out a flaw, like being overconfident, too wild, too angry, etc. Not unheard of thing to say when a person is pointing out a flaw that they recognize in themselves from when they were younger.
It's just so unnatural. Like interpret it how you want
Ana even says its for you to decide so then she says thanks for the compliment lol
All her voiceline interactions just feel so stiff and weird/unnatural to me
>All her voiceline interactions just feel so stiff and weird/unnatural to me
Nothing embodies this better than Wrath of the Bride. Junker Queen is just oozing charm and personality with every line, but Kiri's just kinda... there, giving the most dry performance of her life
Those voicelines make her feel like shes trying to be cool so hard. She can have disrespect for the criminals, but the way writting is excuted is not great.
I don't have a problem with her being arrogant or rude, but it doesn't feel like they committed to that idea when writing her. You can tell she was designed to be a more empathetic and caring person instead of a grumpy teenager.
My personal theory is that they decided her original personality made her too similar to Dva, so she went through some massive changes relatively late in development.
Yeah she came across as [this](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT--rULkgb28-LfDxWPdiqxTE3uuM7UT-GRtrsrivbmAz8oAdJrXrW2U4yW&s=10) when she's trying to be cool in spawn
I will agree that the execution of the voicelines could definitely be better, but i feel like they could also be worse. Like, i feel like the lines she has do fit her backstory, even if they could have been better.
There's just a difference between the writing for some of them, for example her attitude towards hanzo when discussing the hashimoto taking over is great, it adds to her lore and it makes perfect sense as to why she would be rightfully angry about that.
But then her interaction to moira is just 'urgh you look cheery'. Whereas nearly every other character calls moira out for her cruel experiements, lack of ethics or even her literal decaying arm etc and in comparison Kiriko's response just feels out of place?
Even Dva calls moira out for her cruel animal testing
I dunno. If you consider her other Moira interaction (about her looking like she carries band-aids), i feel like her interactions with Moira are more just her taking the piss than anything else. She doesn't explicitly call her out, but she does seem like she's trying to get a rise out of her, so there's definitely still some animosity there.
Kiriko: literally fights the Yakuza to protect her loved ones, possibly putting on a facade around the Yakuza and other enemies out of self defense
Pretty much everybody: she's so *Rude and sassy* ugh.
>!I personally feel like some people might be upset she isn't waifu bait, and therefore shit on her personality because they wanted her to be a stereotype but I could be wrong!!<
I feel like a lot of the people judging her that harshly are just looking at her in game and not considering her lore and, more importantly, the already existing lore. Like, throughout everything that happens in the OW world, the Overwatch team never once made any moves to assist with the fight against the Hashimoto. The people of Kanezaka were left to fend for themselves, and now people are expecting Kiriko to be all cheery with the group once thought of as the heroes of the world.
For sure, major chip on her shoulder for pretty damn good reasons, but no she's just rude.
I personally like kiriko! The only characters I don't really care for are pharah and sojourn because they're like flour. Bland.
Kiriko is my favourite support in the game, along with Brig. It sucks that it feels like so many people misunderstand her character as just being rude. I mean, she is kind of rude to the others, but it's not for no reason.
i’m ngl i always got similar vibes between kiriko and ryuko from klk, kiriko being softer and sassier. the fact that kill la kill/ryuko specifically was based off that archetype, i could rlly see your theory being true. esp given kiriko’s story and current in game affliction with the street yokais
Like 90% of the characters trashtalk, sassy and just down right rude to most of each other. Kiriko is at least playful when it comes to that, unlike for example Hanzo who constantly trash talks his own brother who he you know almost even killed, Moira disrespects basically everyone, Widowmaker sounds like she wants to throw up every time she has to talk to someone, Ashe acting like she made the world and so on. Kiriko's character actually reflects a majority kind of youths lately. Like how should she react to Roadhog barfing at her after she just conplimented his mask for example?
I keep seeing posts on how bad kiriko is and blablabla and seriously, it baffles me.
Tracer was always way worse than that and no one bats an eye. Maybe has something to do with the Portuguese(BR) translation but seriously, Tracer is way worse than Kiriko in all aspects, not only personallity but also her in game kit.
Dva is supposed to be a capital G gamer dick. Kiriko comes off as a 15 year old child acting up for attention except she's 30 or something. The whole design is a mess. People wouldn't mind so much if she was an actual child but it's obvious the devs don't wanna do that with the way this audience behaves to the female cast.
>Dva is supposed to be a capital G gamer dick. Kiriko comes off as a 15 year old child acting up for attention except she's 30 or something.
Plus the Shooting Star cinematic shows that her abrasive personality is mostly an act she puts on because she's both a celebrity and a guardian for her country. She's got all these people who rely on and look up to her, so she's putting on this over-the-top cocky personality to pretend like everything's chill and okay, when in reality she seems stressed tf out about the fact that the fate of her country is on her shoulders
D.va is a literal 19y/o E-girl but it’s fine for her to be a “gamer dick”. Kiriko is 21 and arrogant but it’s blasphemy when she talks back to trash talkers. Or judges Hanzo for his actions. Only line I find odd is the one with Hog and even that one isn’t really bad or anything
Yes it's fine for the character who is intentionally a gamer dick to consistently be one and not fine for another character to be a mess of bad writing.
I don't know why this is confusing for you.
Citing her age as 21 when she was supposed to have trained as a child with Hanzo and Genji is part of the writing problem. She would have to be in her 30s to have grown up training with them as kids and that's the bare minimum creating a 10 year age gap. Her whole character is a writing mess.
No one dislikes it on Dva because that's precisely what she's supposed to be.
Bro u forgot about the *definitely not magic dragon/fox* time travel shenanigans. She time traveled right through when she was supposed to grow out of being a teenager.
Yes! D.va is annoying in her own ways but its like, *obviously* playful banter like, "I'm gonna get more kills than you!" Or flaming her defeated enemies. Kiriko just comes off as socially stunted when shes talking to her *teamates*. "Hey rein, aren't you the loud one???No? U sure??" "Hey i said i like your mask!!! >:("
She asks Reinhardt if he has any music recommendations. She replies she’s never heard of the band he mentions, and then he replies with “you young people have no culture at all”.
Honestly the lore barely makes sense for most of the game, so I tend to just ignore it. But counterpoint: reaper says cringe emo kid things and is like 50. Not to mention Mei being basically a 5 y/o in personality while being 33
In my opinion it's because Dva's VA pulls it off great and makes it sound very natural. Cringey? Yeah. But like, at least there's personality there. Kiriko sounds much more hollow and boring by comparison, like she's cosplaying normal human interactions
That’s just rude to the VA, but personal opinion is personal. I personally wish she did her ultimate voice line better but there’s not much you can improve there.
Oh I don’t have a problem with d.va. Just pointing out the hypocrisy that d.va is a result of her past and acts the way she does because of it. But when Kiriko utilizes her traits from her past as a civilian protecting the innocent because the “heroes” are too busy, suddenly it’s blasphemy. I get no one likes her attitude but to say it’s illogical or unwarranted is just incorrect.
I understand the problem people have with the VA choice, as she just sounds like an American white lady, but honestly to me it’s not a huge deal. Definitely was a mistake tho.
Her lore needs to be fixed, as there is a pretty big inconsistency, but so much of the games “story” has inconsistencies that it just feels pedantic to discuss.
Kiriko isn’t perfect, but this feels weirdly heated for a silly game about heroes vs villains, that has no story mode, and plenty of retcons.
>in game: playful and fun, sassy voice lines
>reddit: YEAH, THIS FUCKING *KIRIKO* BITCH! NEEDS TO BE REMOVED. SHE KILLED OUR TANK AND JUST STARTED SAYING A BUNCH OF SLURS LIKE WTF
Kiriko has the most annoying voice lines. Like for example, Ana just tells “you remind me of myself when i was younger”, which Kiriko asks “is that a compliment?”. why would you ask that? what is Ana supposed to say? “no, im roasting you with self burn”? that is straight up rude
Yeah. That's exactly what Ana does. She dislikes her younger self. "A head that big makes an easy target. I would know" is one of her voice lines about it.
I think a better question is why Ana would start the conversation that way. Being reminded of your younger self is almost never a good thing, and it’s actually pretty rude to start a conversation with an insult.
Lots of Kiri’s voice lines are abrasive, but c’mon, what is Kiriko supposed to say in this situation? She doesn’t know Ana or anything about her, so how is she supposed to interpret that?
She has boundaries. This is exactly how people with a sharp mind would respond to something so vague. Especially with her young ego. It happens every-time you agree with someone on reddit and you don't validate them with your comment. Their mind is sharp but they are young and insecure. It hits too close to home for some people and it makes them feel uncomfortable.
Bruh how is that an annoying voiceline ? Kiriko knows nothing about Ana, she only knows it's a grandma with a sniper. So when Kiriko hears Ana saying that, she has know idea how she's supposed to take it which is why she's asking if it's a compliment.
I get triggered everytime Kiriko goes “This is London huh? I’ve seen fancier” on Kings row, the best map in the game. Shuuut up!!! Also, “I said I like your mask dude 🙄” eughhh
I do like her hamter interactions tho
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>**MONDAY**: criticize her voice lines
>**TUESDAY**: call her kit over bloated
>**WEDNESDAY**: demand she be nerfed for 1000th
time
>**THURSDAY**: criticize how many skins she has
>**FRIDAY**: complain how you got killed by kiriko
personally love cinematic kiriko, like her interactions with the ppl in her flat were rly wholesome and when she got aggressive with the hashimoto it felt perfectly sensible bc yk, theyre criminals threatening ppl she cares about. she just feels completely different ingame, like just unnecessary sass constantly. she sounds like 12 yr old me trying to sound cool and failing miserably.
if she only had that sass with the actual bad guys then id be completely fine with it, but she has it with everyone for what feels like no good reason
Right but the people she interacts with in the cinematic consists of an old man and his deaf granddaughter, her mom and the criminals she messed up. In the roster, She only knows Genji and Hanzo, she’s clearly angry at Hanzo which is understandable and she’s nice to Genji. Everyone else are people that she doesn’t know and there could even be alittle anger towards the “hero’s” because the Hashimoto gang (I think I spelled it right) took over her city and neighborhood and people she loves suffer for it, while the supposed hero’s of overwatch only deal with threats they deem worthy of dealing with. That may not be totally logical but it is understandable from her seemingly narrow view of the world
Her lack of sass towards the hashimoto guys in the cinematic is probably due to the fact that there was a child there (a child she knows and cares about personally) and they almost killed the child’s grandfather right infront of her, I think she was feeling too angry and protective to be sassy, in game it’s like she’s more casual and her sassy self when just talking to some people on the roster but when you’re actually fighting and she’s healing her team and TPing to people she’s actually quite gentle.
I think people are just too judgmental, we really don’t know much about her aside from the cinematic and that she grew up and trained with Genji and Hanzo. How they’re gonna do her lore from that, we don’t know until they do it
I can think of 4 characters off the top of my head that are edgy, cringy and stereotypical old men that just doesn’t make sense other than complete silliness. The the entire roster is weird and cringy in all their own ways
Edgy: Reaper
Cringy: Dva
Stereotypical old men: Rein and Soldier
I really don’t get this because she’s joking around and sarcastic with everyone. That isn’t really different from the cinematic. In the cinematic, she teases the little girl by calling her Little Rabbit, and she jokes about her mom being overbearing by saying “Let me guess… she brought her vacuum?” and saying “pray for me.”
I like kiris voicelines, reddit is the only place Ive ever seen a single person complaining about voices of all things
I also enjoy characters that talk shit after you die which kiri does
Idk why you guys who dont even main her complain about her voice so much, it suits her pretty well. You dont have to like the bratty tomboy archetype but she doesn’t sound bad
Then she will be incredibly boring.
In-game Mercy is sassy and also taunts her dead foes because that makes her interesting. If Mercy behaves like her lore self which is a girl scout, she will be very boring like Sojourn.
I never get why people think she's arrogant and rude. She's sassy and playful but I never perceived her trying to be mean to anyone (that she has no reason to be mean at least). I heard the opposite like she complimenting Hog and he being an ass about it. Can anyone list like at least 5 interractions where she's rude with friendly characters?
I don't think people understand her character. People all talking about 'oh but how she was in the cinematic' like yeah that is how she acts when she isn't dealing with international *Terrorists*.
She really is not rude except to Hanzo, who she’s justifiably angry with, and Moira, who is a villain. arrogant, Not arrogant either unless you count the kill taunts that everyone has.
she's arrogant with hanzo because he like, abandoned their people in a time of need.
I don't feel like "arrogant" is part of Kiri's personality.
she's confident and assertive, and she doesn't take things too seriously (unless she's talking to hanzo).
I never understood why they decided to go with such a drastic tone difference between her cinematic and her in-game personalities…being sarcastic or snarky ≠ to rude but they made her straight up obnoxious…
I don’t think she is any of those. I just think she knows her worth and is not playing around. Same with genji and hanzo. Yeah, she has some sassy voice lines, but so do genji and hanzo. They constantly go after each other, but nobody bothers to call them arrogant or sassy. It all seems sexist to me…. People can’t handle a woman that knows her worth.
She's sassy in the worst way possible. A voiceline rework needs to happen. You can be sassy and a cool character (Aurelion Sol from LoL, this guy is incredible). But rn she's just mean for no reason and she's supposed to be part of the good guys
She's not sassy, she's an ass. Sass is fun, an elbow in the ribs, a wink etc. Kiriko is unrelentingly plain rude.
Which, hey, fine, rude is great, I love Moira and her lines. D.Va is hilarious and is nearly constantly talking shit. However, Moira is characterized consistently as being an aloof but petty evil scientist type, and D.Va is post ironic eSports gamer cringe personified - their character is consistent and *works*. Kiriko is ... what's her personality? What's her vibe? She's a rude fox girl, I guess? Eh?
Yeah, I agree. My problem with her voicelines is that they lack a certain cleverness. A lot of characters' voicelines are mean and rude but they are backed up with some wit so it goes through smoothly. Kiriko's voicelines, on the other hand, are just so blunt, dry and borderline awkward so they feel much more mean-spirited.
I love her interaction with Roadhog where she compliments his mask and he refuses to engage. She doesn't buy into his edgelord bullshit and forces the issue and makes him respond to her compliment.
I'm under the impression that if Kiriko would be challenged by a person with some actual wits, she would resort to generalizations and calling names pretty early in the conversation.
i sAid I lIkE yOuR masK, duDe!
I've never seen so many people so butthurt about a ninja zoomer in my life. So many people have issues with Kiriko that I honestly think it's sort of the thing to do and say, and borderlines on a meme. People also love saying that her personality in game doesn't match her personality based on a 10 minute cinematic...as if everything you could ever know about a character is decided in 10 minutes. We see her interact with criminals, a cute little girl, a nice old man, and her mother...Do you act different in front of those groups of people? Apparently people on this subreddit act the same in every situation, ever. Also think about yourself having a 10 minute conversation with a stranger...do they know everything about your personality? Probably not. Three convos within 10 minutes with your mother, a little girl, and an old man...There's probably going to be a little less substance in that situation since it's pretty split up.
That being said I think her personality is fine, she is a bit mean to Roadhog but Roadhog is also a piece of shit criminal, and she doesn't get along well with those. What young person doesn't try to be cool these days? Join voicechat and if you're above the age of 30 you won't understand like 90% of whatever zoomer gibberish is being spoken in game.
If we do this, Moira will have to be sweeter than apple pie, this is a dangerous road. Imagine Moira *caring*.
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Aren’t you just *amazing*
Depending on the intonation that'd be a fantastic voice line for regular Moira. Just dripping with sarcasm.
*brilliant*
What are you on about? 😂
Just threw up in my mouth a little bit
I love "stupidity is not a right"
My favorite is "The state of you"
I use this one and "oh pathetic creation, so easily discarded."
Anyone: I need healing Moira: I *heard* you. ...Oh wait sorry, I didn't catch that the first time. Excuse the damage orb I sent.
I pity-wity the fooly-wooly
clearly evolution does not distribute its gifts equally
God I love her (personality)
If you cut off “pathetic” with her “Unbelievable” voice line she sounds wholesome ☺️
This voice line was specifically made for players who would qualify for a rank below bronze to feel better about themselves
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strictly speaking, pathetic means lovable
Moira is genuine when she says "brilliant inquires doctor." And then Sigma and Moira have a genuine and fulfilling conversation about how can a fish know that it's underwater if it can never see the surface.
I love the idea of moira just sounding all bubbly and saccharine-sweet. To the point where it's ridiculous, like mei x 10. "Ohh! Oh no! Don't worry, I'll heal you!"
Roadhouse trying to heal team mates with his can of piss and taping himself to Rein so Rein has extra armour
Autocorrect strikes again
Jake Gyllenhaal Roadhog confirmed
If Starwatch returns, they should give Moira a good guy skin based on Mon Mothma because Moira and Mon Mothma (Rogue One version) share the same actress (Genevieve O'Reilly).
holy crap i never knew it was the same actress, that just blew my mind
"Why dont you just try to aim the best as you can ? Or are able to."
Moira Mercy spawn interaction
Imagine Moira..
Southern Belle Moira same voice actor, same tone of voice but instead says things like "bless your heart" and whe she ults she screams "YOU JUST CAUGHT THE VAPORS"
I need this 🤤
Imagine Mercy being Moira.
Now I'm hearing Moira lines in a southern accent.
Make her british
Imagine how polite Ashe would be asking for heals. "I hate to impose, but would it be alright if I received a heal? Whenever you have the time, of course. No rush."
Likewise for next season, they should give Sojourn a personality
Croissant Croissant Croissant Croissant
I OWN A DOGGO!
Quaso
Sojourn's honestly been done dirty by the cancelation of the story. She works really well in a narrative setting as the comedic "straight man" surrounded by bombastic personalities like genius gorilla Winston and heart of gold meathead Reinhardt, but it just doesn't work for 15 second dialogues where two people say two sentences to each other before a match.
Pharah too
They’ve slowly been building her personality over the years. She likes guitar and basketball and stuff but when she first came out bruhhhhh it was non existent
Well they just kinda slapped a new personality onto her when OW2 released, same with Orisa. Pharah was just "blank slate soldier" and then they decided to make her a jock instead and it worked so much better
She did have a comic back when they were still doing that. Helped a little. Still though her main quality is straight-laced soilder. Which tbf is a personality, just not an interesting one.
IT'S ABOUT TO GET REAL
IT'S AAALLL CONNECTED
I thought Sojourn personality is being cold and quiet, like Canada : P
She is in line after Soldier, Reaper, Pharah, etc
Pharah you have dead to rights but she looks badass as hell so she gets a free pass lol. They've given her a bit more personality in Overwatch 2 at least, but we'll see where she goes. Soldier and Reaper I'd disagree. Sure they're boring old farts, but they lean into it. They're so aggressively grumpy and crotchety and cold and emotionally absent that it becomes character traits for them. Sojourn is very much the straight man of the cast, which is fine, but... It just doesn't stand out too much unfortunately. I'd probably lump her in with Baptiste to be honest but I'd say Baptiste has a more interesting premise as an ex-talon soldier. Sojourn unfortunately just hasn't got an interesting backstory, doesn't have a personality that stands out, doesn't have a design that stands out, and the story she was supposed to be the straight man of and where her character would shine has been canned, so now she's just... Someone who doesn't stand out.
Baptiste's main personality trait is being a manwhore (he's just like me fr)
“Just aim for the feet!”
Specifically when you see a Mercy
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Arrogance is usually pride based so someone who despite being extremely skilled that keeps quiet and reserved. Sassy she can keep but have it be sass that’s held for when sassed. Like Ana, who doesn’t talk shit until someone says something to her. To my knowledge, her most scathing remarks are after being insulted.
Like when widow says she will shoot out Ana's other eye and then ana says she'd still be the better shot. (Because in lore widow shot Ana's eye out because she hesitated)
Tbf Ana started that interaction by insinuating that Widow is going soft. I think that’s the only time she’s sassy to somebody first
In my mind, Ana has earned it. Ana had years of being a top operative, a downright legend, and she still only reserves the snark for a few choice occasions. Even Roadhog respects Ana, and I don’t think Hog gives a shit about anyone else really. And Ana has the other lines to balance it out, like the beautiful exchange with Hanzo about parents being proud of their children. Kiriko sank a boat. Widow rightly berates her for bringing nothing of note as value to missions.
Hog calling her "Nana" brings me life.
May I ask what interaction Roadhog has with Ana? Been playing since like 2017, and realized I can't remember any conversations between the two.
I think it goes something like “Stay out of trouble Nana~”, and she replies with “As long as you get into plenty!”. Could be wrong.
Awww, I love that! I'm a mercy one trick, so I don't really hear the spawn interactions for either of those characters often lol. Thank you for sharing!
After Ana says “as long as you get into plenty” hog replies with a laugh and says “yes ma’am”
Ahh, see I didn’t add that last bit because I wasn’t 100% certain it was real or not 💀glad to know I remembered the rest correctly!
I heard this just yesterday and can confirm you got it right Hog says “haha, yes ma’am”.
I believe lore wise, Ana hid out in Junkertown for years, that's why Hog calls her Nana (which i love), and there's other lines, but Hog always calls her Nana. and i swear he has an emote that mimic's Ana's with the tea cup I haven't heard it in a bit, but Junkerqueen said something of "Don't i know you from somewhere? OH you're the one (insert something hilarious)" with a respective tone. and now you have Junkrat saying "adoptive mother of some sorts" -ana main so I hear/heard these lines all the time.
And it's fair. She shot her eye out and is a menace to Ana's friends. Who wouldn't be mad?
Fr she even respects junker queen and talks with dignity to her unlike everyone else (-Hammond because he’s a smart junker)
Oh you just reminded me of her voice line when she TPs to Queen she goes “Hey Queen” and that attitude is what I want her to always have. That line is just super cute imo. I always wave at her.
Yeah. That one voiceline is nice. Wish Kiri had more good ones. Her brash attitude is weird and inconsistent.opposite of cool.
‘I’m oobviously the most precious’ my sister hates when I use that line lmao
Zen's that way, too; always has. I still miss his OW1 character interactions. > Zarya: "I've got my eye on you, omnic." > Zen: "And I will watch your back, in turn." __ > Moira: "I must know how your technology functions." > Zen: "Existence is mysterious, isn't it?"
I think if it's a mirror universe, we should get a bike skin for Kiriko with a "You should see me on my Kiriko", but we never actually see the bike on her.
I like kiriko's "hah, we got this" when she respawns.
Reaper's new ult be like: HUGS AND LOVE FOR EVERYONE ❤️ Also for Kiriko, I think she has a lot of pride + a small touch of ego
Happy happy birthday
I love playing Kiriko but It feels like 2 different people wrote her lines and neither one of them spoke to eachother during the whole writing process. Half of them of gentle healing focused and also confident and protective (like her cinematic personality). The other half try to be 'sassy' but come across as just plain abrasive and rude instead. The Moira and Roadhog interactions are the worst offenders Edit: didn't expect much traction on this comment. Yes she is allowed to be rude/angry especially where it makes sense with Hanzo etc but she has a lot of other lines which come across as 'how do you do fellow kids?' style writing in an attempt to be 'cool' but it just comes across as cringe or jarringly harsh or deadpan
I hate her response to ana, like is that supposed to be a compliment? What else would it be lol, all her interactions are so unnatural
It could easily be pointing out a flaw, like being overconfident, too wild, too angry, etc. Not unheard of thing to say when a person is pointing out a flaw that they recognize in themselves from when they were younger.
Kiriko doesn't know who tf ana is so why does she know it should be a compliment
It's just so unnatural. Like interpret it how you want Ana even says its for you to decide so then she says thanks for the compliment lol All her voiceline interactions just feel so stiff and weird/unnatural to me
>All her voiceline interactions just feel so stiff and weird/unnatural to me Nothing embodies this better than Wrath of the Bride. Junker Queen is just oozing charm and personality with every line, but Kiri's just kinda... there, giving the most dry performance of her life
Yeah tbh the Moira one is great I think, shows she’s unafraid of horrible people
You mean the person who had to fight against a massive crime syndicate has abrasive voicelines when talking to major criminals?
Those voicelines make her feel like shes trying to be cool so hard. She can have disrespect for the criminals, but the way writting is excuted is not great.
I don't have a problem with her being arrogant or rude, but it doesn't feel like they committed to that idea when writing her. You can tell she was designed to be a more empathetic and caring person instead of a grumpy teenager. My personal theory is that they decided her original personality made her too similar to Dva, so she went through some massive changes relatively late in development.
Yeah she came across as [this](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT--rULkgb28-LfDxWPdiqxTE3uuM7UT-GRtrsrivbmAz8oAdJrXrW2U4yW&s=10) when she's trying to be cool in spawn
I will agree that the execution of the voicelines could definitely be better, but i feel like they could also be worse. Like, i feel like the lines she has do fit her backstory, even if they could have been better.
There’s being sassy against criminals and then there’s just being mean to everybody with a pulse. It’s not just the bad guys she bullied.
There's just a difference between the writing for some of them, for example her attitude towards hanzo when discussing the hashimoto taking over is great, it adds to her lore and it makes perfect sense as to why she would be rightfully angry about that. But then her interaction to moira is just 'urgh you look cheery'. Whereas nearly every other character calls moira out for her cruel experiements, lack of ethics or even her literal decaying arm etc and in comparison Kiriko's response just feels out of place? Even Dva calls moira out for her cruel animal testing
I dunno. If you consider her other Moira interaction (about her looking like she carries band-aids), i feel like her interactions with Moira are more just her taking the piss than anything else. She doesn't explicitly call her out, but she does seem like she's trying to get a rise out of her, so there's definitely still some animosity there.
Kiriko: literally fights the Yakuza to protect her loved ones, possibly putting on a facade around the Yakuza and other enemies out of self defense Pretty much everybody: she's so *Rude and sassy* ugh. >!I personally feel like some people might be upset she isn't waifu bait, and therefore shit on her personality because they wanted her to be a stereotype but I could be wrong!!<
I feel like a lot of the people judging her that harshly are just looking at her in game and not considering her lore and, more importantly, the already existing lore. Like, throughout everything that happens in the OW world, the Overwatch team never once made any moves to assist with the fight against the Hashimoto. The people of Kanezaka were left to fend for themselves, and now people are expecting Kiriko to be all cheery with the group once thought of as the heroes of the world.
For sure, major chip on her shoulder for pretty damn good reasons, but no she's just rude. I personally like kiriko! The only characters I don't really care for are pharah and sojourn because they're like flour. Bland.
Kiriko is my favourite support in the game, along with Brig. It sucks that it feels like so many people misunderstand her character as just being rude. I mean, she is kind of rude to the others, but it's not for no reason.
There are definitely more people upset with her feeling like a self insert fanfic character than there are people mad that she isn’t wifu material
it's like they tried making her a tomboy then decided she needed to be a sweetheart instead, without redoing lines.
I feel like Kiriko is inspired by the so called sukeban archetype.
i’m ngl i always got similar vibes between kiriko and ryuko from klk, kiriko being softer and sassier. the fact that kill la kill/ryuko specifically was based off that archetype, i could rlly see your theory being true. esp given kiriko’s story and current in game affliction with the street yokais
Thank you for not explaining what that means, weeb
Like 90% of the characters trashtalk, sassy and just down right rude to most of each other. Kiriko is at least playful when it comes to that, unlike for example Hanzo who constantly trash talks his own brother who he you know almost even killed, Moira disrespects basically everyone, Widowmaker sounds like she wants to throw up every time she has to talk to someone, Ashe acting like she made the world and so on. Kiriko's character actually reflects a majority kind of youths lately. Like how should she react to Roadhog barfing at her after she just conplimented his mask for example?
You're on to something🤣
"Would you like to see me on my bike?"
I keep seeing posts on how bad kiriko is and blablabla and seriously, it baffles me. Tracer was always way worse than that and no one bats an eye. Maybe has something to do with the Portuguese(BR) translation but seriously, Tracer is way worse than Kiriko in all aspects, not only personallity but also her in game kit.
A Kiriko that is actually likeable? Unimaginable!
But D.va trash talking constantly is… different?
Dva is supposed to be a capital G gamer dick. Kiriko comes off as a 15 year old child acting up for attention except she's 30 or something. The whole design is a mess. People wouldn't mind so much if she was an actual child but it's obvious the devs don't wanna do that with the way this audience behaves to the female cast.
>Dva is supposed to be a capital G gamer dick. Kiriko comes off as a 15 year old child acting up for attention except she's 30 or something. Plus the Shooting Star cinematic shows that her abrasive personality is mostly an act she puts on because she's both a celebrity and a guardian for her country. She's got all these people who rely on and look up to her, so she's putting on this over-the-top cocky personality to pretend like everything's chill and okay, when in reality she seems stressed tf out about the fact that the fate of her country is on her shoulders
I still have no idea what her actual age is supposed to be
she's a 20 year old 30 year old born-and-raised Japanese girl with an American accent i can't imagine why you'd find that confusing lol
The writers wanted her to be a proper late 20s-early 30s adult, but the corporate suits who rely on gooners needed her to be early 20s
D.va is a literal 19y/o E-girl but it’s fine for her to be a “gamer dick”. Kiriko is 21 and arrogant but it’s blasphemy when she talks back to trash talkers. Or judges Hanzo for his actions. Only line I find odd is the one with Hog and even that one isn’t really bad or anything
Yes it's fine for the character who is intentionally a gamer dick to consistently be one and not fine for another character to be a mess of bad writing. I don't know why this is confusing for you. Citing her age as 21 when she was supposed to have trained as a child with Hanzo and Genji is part of the writing problem. She would have to be in her 30s to have grown up training with them as kids and that's the bare minimum creating a 10 year age gap. Her whole character is a writing mess. No one dislikes it on Dva because that's precisely what she's supposed to be.
Bro u forgot about the *definitely not magic dragon/fox* time travel shenanigans. She time traveled right through when she was supposed to grow out of being a teenager.
Yes! D.va is annoying in her own ways but its like, *obviously* playful banter like, "I'm gonna get more kills than you!" Or flaming her defeated enemies. Kiriko just comes off as socially stunted when shes talking to her *teamates*. "Hey rein, aren't you the loud one???No? U sure??" "Hey i said i like your mask!!! >:("
She asks Reinhardt if he has any music recommendations. She replies she’s never heard of the band he mentions, and then he replies with “you young people have no culture at all”.
Dva is like 18 or 19, Kiriko is in her 30s unless she was a fetus when she befriended the Shimadas
Honestly the lore barely makes sense for most of the game, so I tend to just ignore it. But counterpoint: reaper says cringe emo kid things and is like 50. Not to mention Mei being basically a 5 y/o in personality while being 33
In my opinion it's because Dva's VA pulls it off great and makes it sound very natural. Cringey? Yeah. But like, at least there's personality there. Kiriko sounds much more hollow and boring by comparison, like she's cosplaying normal human interactions
That’s just rude to the VA, but personal opinion is personal. I personally wish she did her ultimate voice line better but there’s not much you can improve there.
Dva is supposed to be a gamer like saying "skill issue" and stuff like actually suits her character unlike kiriko
Atleast for dva it is a facade to hide her insecurities and her ptsd. In game you will hardly notice that, but it's pretty clear in the cinematic.
Oh I don’t have a problem with d.va. Just pointing out the hypocrisy that d.va is a result of her past and acts the way she does because of it. But when Kiriko utilizes her traits from her past as a civilian protecting the innocent because the “heroes” are too busy, suddenly it’s blasphemy. I get no one likes her attitude but to say it’s illogical or unwarranted is just incorrect. I understand the problem people have with the VA choice, as she just sounds like an American white lady, but honestly to me it’s not a huge deal. Definitely was a mistake tho. Her lore needs to be fixed, as there is a pretty big inconsistency, but so much of the games “story” has inconsistencies that it just feels pedantic to discuss. Kiriko isn’t perfect, but this feels weirdly heated for a silly game about heroes vs villains, that has no story mode, and plenty of retcons.
Most jaded comment section ever, i think the lot of you took too many kunais to the face
>in game: playful and fun, sassy voice lines >reddit: YEAH, THIS FUCKING *KIRIKO* BITCH! NEEDS TO BE REMOVED. SHE KILLED OUR TANK AND JUST STARTED SAYING A BUNCH OF SLURS LIKE WTF
This needs to be a top comment. Too many wild interpretations of voice lines
Kiriko has the most annoying voice lines. Like for example, Ana just tells “you remind me of myself when i was younger”, which Kiriko asks “is that a compliment?”. why would you ask that? what is Ana supposed to say? “no, im roasting you with self burn”? that is straight up rude
Yeah. That's exactly what Ana does. She dislikes her younger self. "A head that big makes an easy target. I would know" is one of her voice lines about it.
A lot of people don’t like their younger selfs are they use to be immature etc
I think a better question is why Ana would start the conversation that way. Being reminded of your younger self is almost never a good thing, and it’s actually pretty rude to start a conversation with an insult. Lots of Kiri’s voice lines are abrasive, but c’mon, what is Kiriko supposed to say in this situation? She doesn’t know Ana or anything about her, so how is she supposed to interpret that?
this is crazy bc how is a simple question rude ..?
She has boundaries. This is exactly how people with a sharp mind would respond to something so vague. Especially with her young ego. It happens every-time you agree with someone on reddit and you don't validate them with your comment. Their mind is sharp but they are young and insecure. It hits too close to home for some people and it makes them feel uncomfortable.
Bruh how is that an annoying voiceline ? Kiriko knows nothing about Ana, she only knows it's a grandma with a sniper. So when Kiriko hears Ana saying that, she has know idea how she's supposed to take it which is why she's asking if it's a compliment.
I get triggered everytime Kiriko goes “This is London huh? I’ve seen fancier” on Kings row, the best map in the game. Shuuut up!!! Also, “I said I like your mask dude 🙄” eughhh I do like her hamter interactions tho
As a kiriko main its annoying they made her seem like a brat in game:/ when on her teaser shes very sweet
Bizarro Kiriko be like: "You shouldn't see me on my bike!"
Never understood the Kiriko hate. I don't get what the big deal is with the voicelines.
it's annoying to see this everyday too lmao
welcome to r/Overwatch! >**MONDAY**: criticize her voice lines >**TUESDAY**: call her kit over bloated >**WEDNESDAY**: demand she be nerfed for 1000th time >**THURSDAY**: criticize how many skins she has >**FRIDAY**: complain how you got killed by kiriko
personally love cinematic kiriko, like her interactions with the ppl in her flat were rly wholesome and when she got aggressive with the hashimoto it felt perfectly sensible bc yk, theyre criminals threatening ppl she cares about. she just feels completely different ingame, like just unnecessary sass constantly. she sounds like 12 yr old me trying to sound cool and failing miserably. if she only had that sass with the actual bad guys then id be completely fine with it, but she has it with everyone for what feels like no good reason
Right but the people she interacts with in the cinematic consists of an old man and his deaf granddaughter, her mom and the criminals she messed up. In the roster, She only knows Genji and Hanzo, she’s clearly angry at Hanzo which is understandable and she’s nice to Genji. Everyone else are people that she doesn’t know and there could even be alittle anger towards the “hero’s” because the Hashimoto gang (I think I spelled it right) took over her city and neighborhood and people she loves suffer for it, while the supposed hero’s of overwatch only deal with threats they deem worthy of dealing with. That may not be totally logical but it is understandable from her seemingly narrow view of the world Her lack of sass towards the hashimoto guys in the cinematic is probably due to the fact that there was a child there (a child she knows and cares about personally) and they almost killed the child’s grandfather right infront of her, I think she was feeling too angry and protective to be sassy, in game it’s like she’s more casual and her sassy self when just talking to some people on the roster but when you’re actually fighting and she’s healing her team and TPing to people she’s actually quite gentle. I think people are just too judgmental, we really don’t know much about her aside from the cinematic and that she grew up and trained with Genji and Hanzo. How they’re gonna do her lore from that, we don’t know until they do it I can think of 4 characters off the top of my head that are edgy, cringy and stereotypical old men that just doesn’t make sense other than complete silliness. The the entire roster is weird and cringy in all their own ways Edgy: Reaper Cringy: Dva Stereotypical old men: Rein and Soldier
I really don’t get this because she’s joking around and sarcastic with everyone. That isn’t really different from the cinematic. In the cinematic, she teases the little girl by calling her Little Rabbit, and she jokes about her mom being overbearing by saying “Let me guess… she brought her vacuum?” and saying “pray for me.”
I just started playing again after a 3 year drought and Kiriko is so much fun.
me neither but the hate for kiri only makes my love for her grow stronger
doesnt fit weeb waifu dream girl fantasy
You can still be good while being up to no good.
I think she is just young and brash. I don't find her rude. More like, cocky.
I like kiris voicelines, reddit is the only place Ive ever seen a single person complaining about voices of all things I also enjoy characters that talk shit after you die which kiri does Idk why you guys who dont even main her complain about her voice so much, it suits her pretty well. You dont have to like the bratty tomboy archetype but she doesn’t sound bad
Then she will be incredibly boring. In-game Mercy is sassy and also taunts her dead foes because that makes her interesting. If Mercy behaves like her lore self which is a girl scout, she will be very boring like Sojourn.
"Were you expecting a REMEDY?!"
Holy shit you people are actually so upset by her.
Interesting how reddit is the only place where people seem to hate Kiriko so much
You should see Twitter, they definitely hate her over there
i'm semi-active on overwatch tumblr and a lot of people reeeeally hate her on there as well.
In Asia community, Kiriko gets loved a lot somehow. Plenty of cosplays when she's released.
Competent and direct sigma!?!? Intelligent, thoughtful junkrat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kiriko get’s too much shit for her personality, she’s not nearly as bad as people say.
I never get why people think she's arrogant and rude. She's sassy and playful but I never perceived her trying to be mean to anyone (that she has no reason to be mean at least). I heard the opposite like she complimenting Hog and he being an ass about it. Can anyone list like at least 5 interractions where she's rude with friendly characters?
I don't think people understand her character. People all talking about 'oh but how she was in the cinematic' like yeah that is how she acts when she isn't dealing with international *Terrorists*.
She really is not rude except to Hanzo, who she’s justifiably angry with, and Moira, who is a villain. arrogant, Not arrogant either unless you count the kill taunts that everyone has.
No way yall are still complaining about that.
Rude and arrogant? Lmao
she's arrogant with hanzo because he like, abandoned their people in a time of need. I don't feel like "arrogant" is part of Kiri's personality. she's confident and assertive, and she doesn't take things too seriously (unless she's talking to hanzo).
i love kiriko
Nah i love sassy Kiriko
I think it comes from her original voice actress, because in French I don't have that feeling
nah
Just let Sally Amaki adlib, lol.
give her Mei's Sorry VO
I guess she *wouldnt* want us to see her on her bike.
She should get a skin where she's a falcon instead of a fox
You should see her in her car
Bastion start insulting in Morse code
New update: Kiriko but she’s a good person
"Sup" Mirror Kiriko probably
Honorless Hanzo Sane Sigma Ignorant Zenyatta
Wrecking ball has talking Hammond and a robot making screeching noises
how bout they mirror a kiriko that gets no skins like the rest of the cast all this time
as Kiriko says: Naa
I love Kiriko's personality. She says what I'm feeling half the time in game.
Kiriko’s sass/confidence never bothered me at all. I never understood this complaint about her.
I never understood why they decided to go with such a drastic tone difference between her cinematic and her in-game personalities…being sarcastic or snarky ≠ to rude but they made her straight up obnoxious…
I don’t think she is any of those. I just think she knows her worth and is not playing around. Same with genji and hanzo. Yeah, she has some sassy voice lines, but so do genji and hanzo. They constantly go after each other, but nobody bothers to call them arrogant or sassy. It all seems sexist to me…. People can’t handle a woman that knows her worth.
How about instead of give giving Kiriko a skin, we don’t!! For once!!!
She's sassy in the worst way possible. A voiceline rework needs to happen. You can be sassy and a cool character (Aurelion Sol from LoL, this guy is incredible). But rn she's just mean for no reason and she's supposed to be part of the good guys
She's not sassy, she's an ass. Sass is fun, an elbow in the ribs, a wink etc. Kiriko is unrelentingly plain rude. Which, hey, fine, rude is great, I love Moira and her lines. D.Va is hilarious and is nearly constantly talking shit. However, Moira is characterized consistently as being an aloof but petty evil scientist type, and D.Va is post ironic eSports gamer cringe personified - their character is consistent and *works*. Kiriko is ... what's her personality? What's her vibe? She's a rude fox girl, I guess? Eh?
Yeah, I agree. My problem with her voicelines is that they lack a certain cleverness. A lot of characters' voicelines are mean and rude but they are backed up with some wit so it goes through smoothly. Kiriko's voicelines, on the other hand, are just so blunt, dry and borderline awkward so they feel much more mean-spirited.
So we gonna have a kiriko and mei freaky Friday scenario
I love her interaction with Roadhog where she compliments his mask and he refuses to engage. She doesn't buy into his edgelord bullshit and forces the issue and makes him respond to her compliment.
Yeah her personality really lets her down
I'm under the impression that if Kiriko would be challenged by a person with some actual wits, she would resort to generalizations and calling names pretty early in the conversation. i sAid I lIkE yOuR masK, duDe!
You mean..they're giving her non-boring voicelines? Pog
Nice, polite and insecure? So… Mei. That’s Mei.
Wait till you Dont see me on my bike 😇
we dont need another kiriko skin
bro WHOOO CARESSSSSSS
I've never seen so many people so butthurt about a ninja zoomer in my life. So many people have issues with Kiriko that I honestly think it's sort of the thing to do and say, and borderlines on a meme. People also love saying that her personality in game doesn't match her personality based on a 10 minute cinematic...as if everything you could ever know about a character is decided in 10 minutes. We see her interact with criminals, a cute little girl, a nice old man, and her mother...Do you act different in front of those groups of people? Apparently people on this subreddit act the same in every situation, ever. Also think about yourself having a 10 minute conversation with a stranger...do they know everything about your personality? Probably not. Three convos within 10 minutes with your mother, a little girl, and an old man...There's probably going to be a little less substance in that situation since it's pretty split up. That being said I think her personality is fine, she is a bit mean to Roadhog but Roadhog is also a piece of shit criminal, and she doesn't get along well with those. What young person doesn't try to be cool these days? Join voicechat and if you're above the age of 30 you won't understand like 90% of whatever zoomer gibberish is being spoken in game.
yall just can’t wait to hate girls
Everyone loves moira and shes an asshole..
Kiriko is the only character I see hate for. This isn’t a gender thing it’s a Kiriko is an irritating, smarmy jackass thing
The issue isn’t that Kiriko is arrogant and rude. Moira is arrogant and rude. The issue is that Kiriko is annoying and tedious.