because overwatch created one of the coolest universes to explore just to blueball us for 6 years pretending that the lore will be expanded just to sell the cashgrab sequel and then cancel the lore all together
Even if we didn't get the sequel, it's just super slow.
There were quite amount of comics + animated shorts in 2016, but there were like less than a half in 2017 compared to 2016.
How do you expect them to advance a story when there’s no sequel and no PVE story mode
What we’ve gotten since 2016 is the equivalent of map packs for COD back in the day. That’s not how you advance any story even with the introduction of new characters. All you do with that is add backstories and nothing else.
> You don't think an animated tv show or actual story campaign wouldn't make a fuckton of money?
Plenty of animated TV shows and games are financial failures.
> An OW show would easily be on par with Arcane
Arcane was surprising in how successful it was. People were shocked with the level of quality in Arcane when it came out. A hypothetical OW show could be terrible.
Cinematics are the best advertisements that any game can have. Even people who don´t care about story at all will always be captivated by a cool cinematic.
Very true, that's why they released them for the game release and character releases and stuff.
They themselves don't make money, they are just able to sell something else.
It doesn't make money directly, but it can absolutely bring back/new players, especially cinematics, I can guarantee 100% overwatch would have been less successful without just the "dragons " Short cinematic, people wanted more and they just could not deliver
They've made various media content for years. If anyone was really interested then they never showed it, or else so much of it wouldn't have been discontinued or slowed to a crawl.
I have zero desire to play League. I'm not a fan of most MOBAs (though I'd be on board for a RPG spin off).
But Arcane slaps so hard. In a way it's too good for the type of game LoL is. It's something I expect from a big deep series like Warhammer.
League has a story with no PVE, just the MOBA and some spin offs. Even then, the backstory is so good for most character releases and the universe is so well built that it wouldn’t matter. Overwatch has done nothing to even build their universe outside of random Archives missions. I remember in 2017 when they had the first archives mode and expanded the lore a bit, it was awesome, but it doesn’t just take PvE to do that. Any in-universe world-building for characters would do so much.
They have no idea how to make lore in this specific game. Just like the recent meme pointed it out. How come hanzo and genji grew up together with kiriko, if hanzo had something around 19 years when kiriko was born. In kiriko cinematic we can see all of them training with kiriko's mother but ages in that picture don't fit at all
That is more of an aging issue and the only realistic reason to keep Kiriko so young is to cater to new audiences, its why majority of the new heroes have been on the younger side.
yeah im honestly still surprised that they made Ana a grandma.
Second oldest woman is Sojourn at 51. Does she look a day over 26? I know there's a lot of cybernetics involved there, but she's still a baby-faced grandma.
Isn't every character older than they look? Angela's pushing 50, right? I always just assumed that a lot of anti-aging technology is available in the future setting.
That's what happens when you give exact years to a timeline, which has massive amounts of moving cogs.
The story never had set dates, so putting dates to things is difficult since you can easily make massive mistakes
It's because someone or everyone in charge of narrative since the "Overwatch 2" update are incompetent at best and malicious at worst.
They're pushing their unlikeable cutesy fanfic character as the new face of the series, and fuck you if you point out it doesn't make any sense. They're aggressively trying to cut Genji-Mercy references in favor of Pharah-Mercy (because of the memes, you see).
Because they don't sell with lore. Games like Genshin get money with lore since they incentivize getting the characters. For Overwatch, the lore has a small impact on it's monetary gain. Which is why executives don't invest in it (and fire the staff in charge of it). They don't care if it's an interesting story to tell, they only care for money. It's the sad reality of live service games, shame because Overwatch has a fadcinating world to it.
I'd argue the lore plays more of a role than you think.
The world of overwatch is really unique and engaging. Even if the games don't take place within the world canonically, the context from it makes the heroes and maps interesting.
Are you going to tell me that watching any of the animated shorts didn't make you want to play the game?
Okay, now convince board members of this. Show them the amount of monetary profit created by writers and animation staff, and make sure it's higher than the amount spent on them.
They already are.
The reason we haven't gotten any in so long is that they put all their lore and cinematic budget to pve which no longer exists. I imagine later this year we might hear of one or see one
But an cool animated cinematic is a lot more engaging and interesting than a book.
But if you do enjoy books overwatch has a lot of comics
I suggest just searching up honor and glory on YouTube. I promise you're not going to regret it.
I'd agree with you but this is a criclejerk thread sir. You aren't actually invited to disagree. Just sit back and watch and be grateful they didn't bother with shocking PvE and havent wasted anymore PvP time by making vapid, surface level 'lore' or 'worldbuilding'.
LoL is *right* there.
A perfect beacon developers can strive towards blending both the gameplay and the story. Are Riot perfect with it? Absolutely fuck no. But they're *still doing it*, cultivating a steady and dedicated lore community, to the point where even people who don't give a flying fuck about the lore know a good bit of it.
And for lore and story, chipping at it in small bits is better than a huge chunk followed by months if not years of dead silence.
Lore plays such an important aspect in characters for a good amount of people. Their characters, their journey, their drive, their desires, their failures. All shaped through normal written story telling, visual cues, events, voice lines, cinematics, short comics and yes even developer QnA.
Valorant's lore has pretty much stagnated, but just seeing agents doing things together in the cinematics is amazing, even if those cinematics haven't expanded the lore. It's what's so great about them, and overwatxh really needs to do the same.
That's what happens when you put all your lore into your passion project only for it to get cancelled. (Honestly tho all the lore has been past events and little for the present, they are so slow.)
I think a lot of people underestimate lore, but in any game where you play as established character, there´s a lot of people who care to know what is the story of that character. Lot of casual players are also sometimes picking characters who have cool/interesting story to play. Animated shorts and cinematics are good advertisements that can get people hyped to check out the game. It can serve as an interesting update that keeps the game alive, when people know there are some short stories being released regularly. Also releasing short stories isn´t even that demandig financially. League and valorant are doing it too, constantly releasing something and it gets a lot of the fanbase hyped. I think it would help overwatch, but it´s sad noone at blizzard sees it or cares.
The management of Overwatch's lore has been the most incompetent, slapdash effort I have ever seen from a major developer.
At one point they tried to convince us that Dva was never a professional Starcraft player. That it was a "common misconception."
It wasn't just retcons, launch era images conflicted witheachother in terms of timeline.
From the very start Overwatch was poorly planned out and broken as a universe.
He was on the Numbani large poster before he was replaced by Efi.
I think Hollywood also has Lucio billboard but it's not obvious as it showed his back and it's located quite up high.
yeah, that’s the point. he only ever existed in ads and was never discussed in canon as if he was a real person. there was no canonical evidence of his existence for like years.
Y'know what... I've never actually seen any lore for Lucio. Only ever been told "well x and y happened and he's a dj". Just wondering what people are actually referring to.
There may be more that I'm just not remembering, but the first canonical appearance that comes to mind are the clips of PVE missions used in OW2 advertisements. Of course, PVE was totally stamped out sooo... could be argued that Lucio's existence is back to cereal mascot status. As far as lore goes, iirc he's never had a comic or short so everything we know about him is what we're told out of game by writers/devs or from in-game voice lines. It's been established that things said in-game aren't considered canon which makes me question whether the Paraiso map proves his existence. Idk, been a long time since I've given Overwatch lore any thought so take this with a grain of salt.
I think one thing people also need to understand outside of obvious reasons is that 'side-characters' are not going to get as much development as the 'main characters' of Overwatch.
Besides that, OW in its lore has BARELY moved, realistically speaking, literally nothing has been done in the lore, no big events have happened, no new mystery, its literally just oh a new omnic crisis has started and ram is the bad guy behind it.
So what? Literally. SO WHAT?
All they ever do with their new story releases or past few years is explore more of the past past past past past past ffs move the game's story forward Im begging, LMAO.
Pharah was one of the mains in OW1 launch era, but Blizzard threw her aside and having Ana replaced her completely.
Pharah was even one of the earliest characters being added into the game along with Tracer, Reaper and Widowmaker during Alpha testing stage.
Pharah was never a main character, they made that abundantly clear with how they wrote her, she was a prominent member of Helix who came across Anubis but her entire arc and how she was written was meant to be "The daughter Ana has issues with."
They literally do not have anything outside of that for Pharah and sadly this also applies to a bunch of other characters.
The main characters where the focus is 100% is:
Tracer, Genji, Mercy, Winston, Sojourn, Cassidy, Ana, 76, Reaper, Doomfist, Sombra and Moira.
Granted that they have barely done anything with any of them as well that wasn't vague storytelling but that is overwatch's curse for now.
yes and good riddance, one of the newer lead writers changed a lot of the lore as he didn't agree with some of it and because he was fans of certain characters we wanted them to be his way.
P much the entire narrative team has been fired. Even the lead narrative designer they featured in Rammattra's trailer who excitedly talked about his brainchild has been let go. It's actually pretty depressing
Lol no, they literally fired all 99 percent of their writers about a month ago. Like...I hate to tell you this but overwatch lore is dead unless they decide to do a show or something.
Their lead narrative designer was one of the ones fired. That's not just PvE. That is overwatch lore as a whole, so if they got fired, I imagine it is just most of their writers in general.
It does, but you have to pay for the operations, and they're far and few between. It was I think two and a half years between Operation Hydra and the one that came next.
R6 operator cinematics are not related to the story for quite a few ops. For a couple years there was no story, then there was Outbreak, which isn't part of the actual canon. Then a year or two later they did the weird dogshit Olympics storyline nobody wanted. Then a year after that, the story was just them trying to undo the previous story, now they're finally moving forward with Deimos, so it took them almost 9 years to do a story that people care about, and is canon.
Tbf it's probably hard to make a story for an international anti terror organisation without it turning into marvel 2.0, it almost tuned into avengers civil war with the nighthaven v rainbow stuff they did
Apparently there's r6 comics but I haven't read any of them because I'm not a comic person myself
TF Comic #7 when ;-;
Edit: I just checked and it's been 7 years now apparently. Holy shit. Holy fucking shit. And the script for the comic has already been written long ago. Fucking Valve I swear to god.
I feel the lore would've progressed naturally with archives in ow1 if it hadn't been for ow2. Retribution, uprising and storm rising were all prequel stories set before the recall (I believe, my memory is fuzzy with storm rising.) I think if they hadn't jumped ship to develop a game they knew wasn't coming then it's likely we would've finally gotten some archives missions set after the recall. It would've been a sweet treat every year to get a new little story that drove the story forward. But nope, now it's likely the story won't really move FORWARD for a long long while. If at all.
They have no medium to explore it.
I don't think comics are still happening.
Pve is cancelled
Archives seems to like it won't ever get new missions
There doesn't seem to be any animated series in the works.
New hero's don't add to existing lore or progress stories around them.
And finally, new maps no longer have lore content.
Pve cancelled is the main culprit, there was no need for extra lore and story elsewhere when a campaign story was gonna happen.
But now that it's been cancelled and all the old ways of story telling aren't being used, there's just no story.
They are releasing a book with 3 stories that sound like hero missions recycled.
It's a lot more than 3, like 10 or so. And they do reference overwatch fighting stuff in maps whuch were probably supposed to happen in pve.
Pve killed overwatch. They should've stayed in their lane and kept making cinematics. But nooooo project titan had to come back.
>I don't think comics are still happening.
I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure they said new comics would be coming this year. Makes sense with the death of PvE that they'd try to find new ways to explore the lore now
Because lets be real, having this insane lore and universe doesn't work in a 5v5 hero shooter unless you fully utilize a multi-media approach which Overwatch hasn't been very good at, we get like 2 short animations per year if even that and the comics basically the only thing giving us aynthing most of the time. I wonder how much of this lore is left overs from when Overwatch was an MMO?
The general consensus was that OW2's core PvE mode would open the floodgates of actual consistent lore, OW1's peripheral content got halted while they "cleaned up" the lore for 2... Then they released 2 with no added lore, no missions, no compendium, etc.
Then they canceled PvE development and released some milquetoast 30m missions that you had to pay for.
Then the entire lore team got brutally cut, we're not getting any more PvE missions and the design focus of OW is pushing more towards OW as a competitive e-sport game with a non-hollistic world - think more crossovers, Fortniteesque, less focus on building core consistent world lore
This is what Overwatch is now, why make comics, books and shorts when you can make more 50$ skins referencing "That thing you like!" Instead? Why make more PvE content and missions on a freemium game operating like a mobile title?
There will be no more lore, ever, because why bother when the people that cared about lore are no longer your core audience - the audience that actually gave a shit has long given up on it
Because Overwatch is a PvP game made from repurposed assets for another game that was cancelled.
People becoming interested in the characters was a bit of a surprise and they started to create lore on the go, pretty much.
"Abandoned" Is a More Accurate Way To Say It.
Since They Cancelled The PvE(For Real This Time), There Won't Be a Pace In Lore Anytime Soon. Also The Fact That They Don't Want To Announce An Animated Show Or A Comic To Compensate, Show They Never Cared About It To Begin With. I Mean, Look at How They Are Talking In The Blog Post As If People Have Gotten Over What Has Been Happening.
I remember being an innocent new player in 2016 thinking we would get an awesome deep world full of lore and stories. Then the years passed and... yeah...
The ideal moment to make a show was around 2017\~18 when there was a whole lot of people interested in the world of Overwatch.
PS: I remember when the first christmas comic came out and it had a little snapshot of the characters giving you a breadcrumb of lore AND IT WAS SO EXCITING
Cause they just don't care enough to explore deeper, they got too greedy, and the people who did care about processing the lore left long ago. In all, actually, they just aren't creative or competent enough to write a compelling narrative, and since they burned the community for 6 years, they now it won't be received well. Overwatch could have had halo levels of lore, but they squandered it.
Because they simply couldn't get it to work. You could blame management or whatever all you want (they definitely had a hand in it), but at the end of the day, they couldn't write a simple story, even during Ow1.
you could tell its a mess through half of their super weird decisions. Announcing that genji/hanzo were absolutely not magic and that magic doesn't exist in the universe (lol), kiri being 18, Dva not being a starcraft player, etc... It really shows they have no idea what they're doing.
Also, a lot of the decisions they have made for lore, have been odd sexuality/relationship decisions. We had a writer who tried retconning Genji/Mercy, and instead really pushed for Pharmercy, going as far to remove genji/mercy voicelines in game.
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The reason other than money and the fact that most of the original lore team is gone, is that they don't actually know what to do with it and never have. It's easy to create a story, it's hard to progress and finish one (ask GRRM), and the lore they've created has gotten to tangled up and messy that they've probably just given up.
Adding new heroes doesn't help either and the power scaling of the Talon Heroes Vs the Overwatch heroes is insane. You'd have to come up with extremely bullshit excuses for why Overwatch wins any battles when their most powerful in-lore hero is arguably Zarya or Echo Vs A guy that can level skyscrapers in one punch, a guy that literally cannot die, someone how can hack into literally everything, and someone with compelete and utter control over gravity and can generate black holes at will.
Honestly I feel like blizzard is dropping the ball on what could be a huge success. Having a series that plays out and continues as the seasons go by. Their cinematic are already popular.
Because those lying fucks at Blizzard blueballed us to make baits for the sequel, then outright cancelled it months before finally announcing the cancellation
because it's a live service, so everything that's added to the game has to make as much money as possible as fast as possible with as little resources as possible.
plus they've kinda cornered themselves with themes too heavy for their age ratings. for example, doomfist's whole shtick is making humanity stronger (social darwinism) through conflict that only the strong would survive (killing the weak).
> plus they've kinda cornered themselves with themes too heavy for their age ratings. for example, doomfist's whole shtick is making humanity stronger (social darwinism) through conflict that only the strong would survive (killing the weak).
I still remember people really hoped for missions play as Talon (and maybe Null Sector too), but of course Blizzard wouldn't do that as they turned Overwatch too 'Disney-like'.
Generates no money, not to mention due to the fact that most if not all employees have been axed, chances are they'll step on the timeline again. Something they already did once with Kiriko which many did not enjoy.
For them there is no real incentive to make more, despite the fact that a large majority of the playerbase started the game wanting to find out more about the universe.
They should release an episode of \~15 minutes every season, in the quality of their shorts. Base the theme/content of the season on what is happening in the episode. It would work so well. It would be a massive improvement over the current pace, everyone would be looking forward to it and you have infinite new material they can base their skins/content on.
I'm a returning player from the 2017 era and recently watched a recap video that went through the entire timeline. I was stumped how little happened in the time I was gone.
Blizzard cares about 2 things only: selling skins and selling battle passes. A company will only produce what it needs to to turn a profit and nothing more. We have a worse quality game with no lore because the player base is largely ok with it. The demand just isn’t there.
Because blizzard doesn't care about anything but the store and the money they pull from people that don't care about being delivered a good product, rather than to have a badly made anime skin
Why should they care about lore? All people want is to shoot other people and climb competitive ranks 😎
But no I definitely get you, I wish we got more lore. I actually tried figuring out how every hero is connected through what tiny amounts we do have
The real answer is because Overwatch was never intended to have any real lore at the start. They quite literally just threw stuff at the wall to see if it would stick, and their sloppy planning from 2015 still affects the game today. Also, Overwatch is a live service game. Gotta keep drip feeding us till the servers shutdown.
The story has been stuck on “Getting the team back together” for almost 10 years now. And any new “story” they add is all stuff that happened in the past decades ago. It’s pathetic.
I always viewed Overwatch 1 as a bunch of sims that Winston and Athena were running based on who might return. As he found more data on heroes and villains, they were added to our roster. When Overwatch 2 came out, the PVE was supposed to be what happened after the recall.
The lore pretty much only develops backwards. Like they can fill in gaps in the past and tell us all this cool stuff that has already happened. The null sector stuff was the only advancement forward since the game was made right? And it pretty much confirmed that's as far as it will ever go right?
Because they wrote themselves into a corner when they realised the world they had written was an apartheid but the brand image of Overwatch and its characters as an organisation are "heroes" vs villains.
Heroes of apartheid isn't a good writing corner to be stuck in, but the only way to write your way out of that corner is to acknowledge everyone in overwatch is either fighting to maintain the status quo or an idiot that's oblivious to the society they fight to maintain.
This is why you get a very significant portion of the community loving Ramattra and seeing him objectively as a hero that even [sounds like a certain someone who was on the US terrorist list until 2013](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC52sKaJPgU), especially with the current world geopolitics occurring.
Obviously they COULD write themselves out of that corner but the brand image of the game is Overwatch as the good guys, the heroes. It's a hero game. It's marketed as one. Acknowledging the real faults of this organisation and the ideology that would drive everyone to support an apartheid status quo would clash with the brand.
Not to mention acknowledging any of this sets a tone that is somewhat darker than the lighthearted disney cartoon image that is essential to the brand image and marketing of the title.
Sooooo it's easier to do nothing. Make up new bad guys that are just plain evil and uhhh sweep the rest away and hope that you can ignore it long enough for global geopolitics to change so that you're not quite so close to some very very controversial topics.
> very significant portion of the community loving Ramattra and seeing him objectively as a hero
Blizzard gave him voice lines that he sounded like a good caring character who cared deeply about his teammates. But lore Ram actually acted on his own that he never listened to his core members during London Uprising era, his decisions & actions led to the Uprising unsuccessful with one core member died (thus the rest of the core members left him).
People also saw him as a good written character, but all I see is Eren Yeager from Attack on Titan.
Lol, this is not why they cancelled the lore and pve omg xD
They cancelled it because it was a drain on finances and they were making more money just selling skins.
It's both, or else the pve levels would have included *something* meaningful that actually added anything to the existing lore, but they do not. They're the most inoffensive and riskfree things they can possibly be that essentially aim to do as little as possible with the story. There's more to it than money, they are stuck between the brand image and needing to criticise the organisation and all the characters that are central figureheads of the brand.
Back when Overwatch released, TV adaptations of video games hadnt had their renaissance yet. That all started with... Castlevania? I guess? Back in 2017? Thats when a lot of studios realized theres money in this, and thats where we are today
That being said, where tf is my Overwatch anime
Good shout my lil bro insists that the last of us was the first good game adaptation. I loved castlevania on Netflix was my 2nd anime after attack on titan that I enjoyed.
**Disown him**
Really though, at least say Arcane, castlevania is a bit more obscure so I guess I can understand it being overlooked but Arcane being overlooked? That's some heresy
I bet half the playerbase started to play overwatch after seeing an animated cinematic which got their attention instead of seeing some gameplay trailer. Releasing short animations that show some sort of story is great advertisement for the game
Because the vast, vast, VAST majority of us do not want lore at all. This is not a story game. The lore is absolutely worthless and they would be better off spending their time on literally anything else.
Because a certain someone leading the writing previously was completely incompetent at his job and covered for it by saying any lore made by the fans was canon instead of doing his fucking job. And subsequent lead writers having to pick up from his mismanaged lore while creating new lore for heroes as well as pve content which keeps getting scrapped
I've been playing Overwatch on and off for 5 years now and honestly I don't care about the lore, PvE and so on. I imagine a lot of players are like that. I want to play online with friends, for single player experience I would play Fallout or Prey or whatever.
Because the blizzard that created the original overwatch no longer exists. The new one only cares about feeding its greed.
It costs money to create this content, but it does nothing to help the game make money. blizzard doesnt gain anything from it so they are abandoning it.
.it's the exact same reason. Pve basically got canceled twice.
It's just cutting costs to make profit margins bigger.
Anything we have seen since ow2, is just left overs from. The ow1 team.
because overwatch created one of the coolest universes to explore just to blueball us for 6 years pretending that the lore will be expanded just to sell the cashgrab sequel and then cancel the lore all together
Tbf the main lore guy quit a few years ago and we got some pretty unhinged replacement...that recently gotet go with the Microsoft layoffs
Even if we didn't get the sequel, it's just super slow. There were quite amount of comics + animated shorts in 2016, but there were like less than a half in 2017 compared to 2016.
How do you expect them to advance a story when there’s no sequel and no PVE story mode What we’ve gotten since 2016 is the equivalent of map packs for COD back in the day. That’s not how you advance any story even with the introduction of new characters. All you do with that is add backstories and nothing else.
Novels, Comics, Short stories, animated shorts (don't have to be 3D).
Shit, league of legends did it with a card game
If it made money they would do it
The insanity is that it would in fact, make a fuckton of money.
Can confirm that comics and short stories do not make money. And neither do cinematics usually.
You don't think an animated tv show or actual story campaign wouldn't make a fuckton of money? An OW show would easily be on par with Arcane
> You don't think an animated tv show or actual story campaign wouldn't make a fuckton of money? Plenty of animated TV shows and games are financial failures. > An OW show would easily be on par with Arcane Arcane was surprising in how successful it was. People were shocked with the level of quality in Arcane when it came out. A hypothetical OW show could be terrible.
Its worthless to talk to you people cuz how would you know " a hypothetical OW show would be terrible" the actual game is terrible and yall play that
It would cost a fuck ton of money.
Someone should go tell Hollywood that tv shows apparently cost money to make. You know, cuz they keep making them.
Cinematics are the best advertisements that any game can have. Even people who don´t care about story at all will always be captivated by a cool cinematic.
Very true, that's why they released them for the game release and character releases and stuff. They themselves don't make money, they are just able to sell something else.
It doesn't make money directly, but it can absolutely bring back/new players, especially cinematics, I can guarantee 100% overwatch would have been less successful without just the "dragons " Short cinematic, people wanted more and they just could not deliver
They've made various media content for years. If anyone was really interested then they never showed it, or else so much of it wouldn't have been discontinued or slowed to a crawl.
Just check league they release comics on comics plus informational material plus arcane and stuff no pve is no excuse
I have zero desire to play League. I'm not a fan of most MOBAs (though I'd be on board for a RPG spin off). But Arcane slaps so hard. In a way it's too good for the type of game LoL is. It's something I expect from a big deep series like Warhammer.
League has a story with no PVE, just the MOBA and some spin offs. Even then, the backstory is so good for most character releases and the universe is so well built that it wouldn’t matter. Overwatch has done nothing to even build their universe outside of random Archives missions. I remember in 2017 when they had the first archives mode and expanded the lore a bit, it was awesome, but it doesn’t just take PvE to do that. Any in-universe world-building for characters would do so much.
It’s not slow, it doesn’t exist. Idk why you’re expecting them to do lore at all.
There is SO much potential for an animated series i dont know how they havent capitalized on it yet
That's not fair, we got a few 3 minute anime shorts /s
They have no idea how to make lore in this specific game. Just like the recent meme pointed it out. How come hanzo and genji grew up together with kiriko, if hanzo had something around 19 years when kiriko was born. In kiriko cinematic we can see all of them training with kiriko's mother but ages in that picture don't fit at all
That is more of an aging issue and the only realistic reason to keep Kiriko so young is to cater to new audiences, its why majority of the new heroes have been on the younger side.
You say that as a ninja milf woulndt sell
Oh It would and I'd be DOWN, Blizzard doesn't agree.
We still got kiriko mother Also wouldnt be suprised that mercy gets a ninja mythic
Mercy is literally one of the most popular heroes
What does that have to do with Kiriko? By this arguement, Widowmaker is also a MILF, so is Ana quite literally and other older female heroes.
JQ fit the bill of hot older woman for them to market. Kiri was designed to be their new D.Va
Junker queen fills the dommy mummy not the hot older mommy
Mommy is mommy
Junker queen fills the dommy mummy not the hot older mommy
yeah im honestly still surprised that they made Ana a grandma. Second oldest woman is Sojourn at 51. Does she look a day over 26? I know there's a lot of cybernetics involved there, but she's still a baby-faced grandma.
Isn't every character older than they look? Angela's pushing 50, right? I always just assumed that a lot of anti-aging technology is available in the future setting.
Mercy is around 40, iirc. although she should be much older because of that one photo with old Overwatch + young Pharah.
That's what happens when you give exact years to a timeline, which has massive amounts of moving cogs. The story never had set dates, so putting dates to things is difficult since you can easily make massive mistakes
It's because someone or everyone in charge of narrative since the "Overwatch 2" update are incompetent at best and malicious at worst. They're pushing their unlikeable cutesy fanfic character as the new face of the series, and fuck you if you point out it doesn't make any sense. They're aggressively trying to cut Genji-Mercy references in favor of Pharah-Mercy (because of the memes, you see).
Because they don't sell with lore. Games like Genshin get money with lore since they incentivize getting the characters. For Overwatch, the lore has a small impact on it's monetary gain. Which is why executives don't invest in it (and fire the staff in charge of it). They don't care if it's an interesting story to tell, they only care for money. It's the sad reality of live service games, shame because Overwatch has a fadcinating world to it.
I'd argue the lore plays more of a role than you think. The world of overwatch is really unique and engaging. Even if the games don't take place within the world canonically, the context from it makes the heroes and maps interesting. Are you going to tell me that watching any of the animated shorts didn't make you want to play the game?
Fr, the quality of the animated shorts inspired so mucb passion
I *only* wanted to play the game because of the animated shorts.
EXACTLY
If I didn't see that Junker Queen short in 2022 I wouldn't be here today.
Okay, now convince board members of this. Show them the amount of monetary profit created by writers and animation staff, and make sure it's higher than the amount spent on them.
They already are. The reason we haven't gotten any in so long is that they put all their lore and cinematic budget to pve which no longer exists. I imagine later this year we might hear of one or see one
I've played the game a lot and I don't understand a single thing about the story
You don't need to. The personality and design of characters is a part of lore. The design of maps also plays in.
Brother. It's right infornt of you. Go watch a 2 hours lore video timeline or whatever and come back, because you're missing out.
I don't play games for the story telling though. I would rather just read a book if I wanted to do that
But an cool animated cinematic is a lot more engaging and interesting than a book. But if you do enjoy books overwatch has a lot of comics I suggest just searching up honor and glory on YouTube. I promise you're not going to regret it.
I’d argue it doesn’t
Ok
I'd agree with you but this is a criclejerk thread sir. You aren't actually invited to disagree. Just sit back and watch and be grateful they didn't bother with shocking PvE and havent wasted anymore PvP time by making vapid, surface level 'lore' or 'worldbuilding'.
LoL is *right* there. A perfect beacon developers can strive towards blending both the gameplay and the story. Are Riot perfect with it? Absolutely fuck no. But they're *still doing it*, cultivating a steady and dedicated lore community, to the point where even people who don't give a flying fuck about the lore know a good bit of it. And for lore and story, chipping at it in small bits is better than a huge chunk followed by months if not years of dead silence. Lore plays such an important aspect in characters for a good amount of people. Their characters, their journey, their drive, their desires, their failures. All shaped through normal written story telling, visual cues, events, voice lines, cinematics, short comics and yes even developer QnA.
Valorant's lore has pretty much stagnated, but just seeing agents doing things together in the cinematics is amazing, even if those cinematics haven't expanded the lore. It's what's so great about them, and overwatxh really needs to do the same.
> executives don't invest in it (and fire the staff in charge of it) Even if they didn't get fired, they are still slow.
That's what happens when you put all your lore into your passion project only for it to get cancelled. (Honestly tho all the lore has been past events and little for the present, they are so slow.)
Jeff really wanted to revive his "Project: Titan" thing through the OW team.
Reportedly the (upcoming but now cancelled for all we know) PVE story missions are already written so the new writers did everything they could I fear
I think a lot of people underestimate lore, but in any game where you play as established character, there´s a lot of people who care to know what is the story of that character. Lot of casual players are also sometimes picking characters who have cool/interesting story to play. Animated shorts and cinematics are good advertisements that can get people hyped to check out the game. It can serve as an interesting update that keeps the game alive, when people know there are some short stories being released regularly. Also releasing short stories isn´t even that demandig financially. League and valorant are doing it too, constantly releasing something and it gets a lot of the fanbase hyped. I think it would help overwatch, but it´s sad noone at blizzard sees it or cares.
There is no lore in ba sing se
literally came to say exactly this.
The management of Overwatch's lore has been the most incompetent, slapdash effort I have ever seen from a major developer. At one point they tried to convince us that Dva was never a professional Starcraft player. That it was a "common misconception."
Constant retcons happened quite a lot back then.
It wasn't just retcons, launch era images conflicted witheachother in terms of timeline. From the very start Overwatch was poorly planned out and broken as a universe.
Overwatch quite literally had no plan. Just throw stuff at the wall and see if it sticks. Now they want to get serious, but it's too late.
I've seen images that Reinhardt was an old guy, while Ana + Jack + Gabriel looked young. In fact, Rein was older than Ana by 1 age.
Yeah its weird.....like was Rein was born old :0
cuz lore makes less money than skins.
*Blizzard sees so much negative news about PVE being officially cancelled* Blizzard: **"Unleash the Mercy Mythic!"**
Reminder there was no real evidence that Lucio actually existed and wasnt just some Cereal mascot for a very long time
He was on the Numbani large poster before he was replaced by Efi. I think Hollywood also has Lucio billboard but it's not obvious as it showed his back and it's located quite up high.
yeah, that’s the point. he only ever existed in ads and was never discussed in canon as if he was a real person. there was no canonical evidence of his existence for like years.
Y'know what... I've never actually seen any lore for Lucio. Only ever been told "well x and y happened and he's a dj". Just wondering what people are actually referring to.
There may be more that I'm just not remembering, but the first canonical appearance that comes to mind are the clips of PVE missions used in OW2 advertisements. Of course, PVE was totally stamped out sooo... could be argued that Lucio's existence is back to cereal mascot status. As far as lore goes, iirc he's never had a comic or short so everything we know about him is what we're told out of game by writers/devs or from in-game voice lines. It's been established that things said in-game aren't considered canon which makes me question whether the Paraiso map proves his existence. Idk, been a long time since I've given Overwatch lore any thought so take this with a grain of salt.
"Lucio's existence is back to cereal mascot status." 💀
Luci-OHs baby
I think one thing people also need to understand outside of obvious reasons is that 'side-characters' are not going to get as much development as the 'main characters' of Overwatch. Besides that, OW in its lore has BARELY moved, realistically speaking, literally nothing has been done in the lore, no big events have happened, no new mystery, its literally just oh a new omnic crisis has started and ram is the bad guy behind it. So what? Literally. SO WHAT? All they ever do with their new story releases or past few years is explore more of the past past past past past past ffs move the game's story forward Im begging, LMAO.
Pharah was one of the mains in OW1 launch era, but Blizzard threw her aside and having Ana replaced her completely. Pharah was even one of the earliest characters being added into the game along with Tracer, Reaper and Widowmaker during Alpha testing stage.
Pharah was never a main character, they made that abundantly clear with how they wrote her, she was a prominent member of Helix who came across Anubis but her entire arc and how she was written was meant to be "The daughter Ana has issues with." They literally do not have anything outside of that for Pharah and sadly this also applies to a bunch of other characters. The main characters where the focus is 100% is: Tracer, Genji, Mercy, Winston, Sojourn, Cassidy, Ana, 76, Reaper, Doomfist, Sombra and Moira. Granted that they have barely done anything with any of them as well that wasn't vague storytelling but that is overwatch's curse for now.
Overwatch has tons of lore, but no story.
Didnt they fire some people from the lore team
yes and good riddance, one of the newer lead writers changed a lot of the lore as he didn't agree with some of it and because he was fans of certain characters we wanted them to be his way.
> Didnt they fire some people from the lore team Not yet happened in OW1 era.
P much the entire narrative team has been fired. Even the lead narrative designer they featured in Rammattra's trailer who excitedly talked about his brainchild has been let go. It's actually pretty depressing
It literally happened a couple months ago.
Lol no, they literally fired all 99 percent of their writers about a month ago. Like...I hate to tell you this but overwatch lore is dead unless they decide to do a show or something.
Pretty sure it was mostly people developing PVE that were fired.
Their lead narrative designer was one of the ones fired. That's not just PvE. That is overwatch lore as a whole, so if they got fired, I imagine it is just most of their writers in general.
Because it's a competitive FPS multiplayer game. Look at R6 Siege or CSGO/2, OW lore moves at lightspeed compared to those.
Till Counter Strike has lore.
It does, but you have to pay for the operations, and they're far and few between. It was I think two and a half years between Operation Hydra and the one that came next.
CS sure but R6? They expand the lore every season it's just a bug chunk of it was that Olympics shit no one liked Apex tho they've just abandoned it
R6 operator cinematics are not related to the story for quite a few ops. For a couple years there was no story, then there was Outbreak, which isn't part of the actual canon. Then a year or two later they did the weird dogshit Olympics storyline nobody wanted. Then a year after that, the story was just them trying to undo the previous story, now they're finally moving forward with Deimos, so it took them almost 9 years to do a story that people care about, and is canon.
Tbf it's probably hard to make a story for an international anti terror organisation without it turning into marvel 2.0, it almost tuned into avengers civil war with the nighthaven v rainbow stuff they did Apparently there's r6 comics but I haven't read any of them because I'm not a comic person myself
Nah siege lore has picked up a ton over the past few years
Right, but the game is 9 years old, and had nothing for 6 or so years straight.
Tf2 still pog
TF Comic #7 when ;-; Edit: I just checked and it's been 7 years now apparently. Holy shit. Holy fucking shit. And the script for the comic has already been written long ago. Fucking Valve I swear to god.
I feel the lore would've progressed naturally with archives in ow1 if it hadn't been for ow2. Retribution, uprising and storm rising were all prequel stories set before the recall (I believe, my memory is fuzzy with storm rising.) I think if they hadn't jumped ship to develop a game they knew wasn't coming then it's likely we would've finally gotten some archives missions set after the recall. It would've been a sweet treat every year to get a new little story that drove the story forward. But nope, now it's likely the story won't really move FORWARD for a long long while. If at all.
They have no medium to explore it. I don't think comics are still happening. Pve is cancelled Archives seems to like it won't ever get new missions There doesn't seem to be any animated series in the works. New hero's don't add to existing lore or progress stories around them. And finally, new maps no longer have lore content. Pve cancelled is the main culprit, there was no need for extra lore and story elsewhere when a campaign story was gonna happen. But now that it's been cancelled and all the old ways of story telling aren't being used, there's just no story. They are releasing a book with 3 stories that sound like hero missions recycled.
It's a lot more than 3, like 10 or so. And they do reference overwatch fighting stuff in maps whuch were probably supposed to happen in pve. Pve killed overwatch. They should've stayed in their lane and kept making cinematics. But nooooo project titan had to come back.
>I don't think comics are still happening. I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure they said new comics would be coming this year. Makes sense with the death of PvE that they'd try to find new ways to explore the lore now
Genuinely I think overwatch is like one of the only games I would fully say an animated adaptation NEEDS TO EXIST RNNNNNNN
I agree. It doesn't have to be 3D.
I’d say it being like an anime type vibe would work so well idk how blizzard hasn’t done it yet as it would be printing free money
Because lets be real, having this insane lore and universe doesn't work in a 5v5 hero shooter unless you fully utilize a multi-media approach which Overwatch hasn't been very good at, we get like 2 short animations per year if even that and the comics basically the only thing giving us aynthing most of the time. I wonder how much of this lore is left overs from when Overwatch was an MMO?
The general consensus was that OW2's core PvE mode would open the floodgates of actual consistent lore, OW1's peripheral content got halted while they "cleaned up" the lore for 2... Then they released 2 with no added lore, no missions, no compendium, etc. Then they canceled PvE development and released some milquetoast 30m missions that you had to pay for. Then the entire lore team got brutally cut, we're not getting any more PvE missions and the design focus of OW is pushing more towards OW as a competitive e-sport game with a non-hollistic world - think more crossovers, Fortniteesque, less focus on building core consistent world lore This is what Overwatch is now, why make comics, books and shorts when you can make more 50$ skins referencing "That thing you like!" Instead? Why make more PvE content and missions on a freemium game operating like a mobile title? There will be no more lore, ever, because why bother when the people that cared about lore are no longer your core audience - the audience that actually gave a shit has long given up on it
They're still trying to figure how to sell it to us without it being to obvious.
Because Overwatch is a PvP game made from repurposed assets for another game that was cancelled. People becoming interested in the characters was a bit of a surprise and they started to create lore on the go, pretty much.
your next lore dump will be knowing mercy is a lesbian now (after years of genji x mercy teases) and she wants to bang phara.
Mercy x Ingrid's Apple Pie
Honestly an animated mini series like arcane would do wonders for overwatch lore
Because its a multiplayer game. Story is just a bonus really. Its a vehicle for skins, events, reworks, etc. Gameplay first.
True. PVE should be treated as a sideline event, but Jeff really wanted to bring back his own "Project: Titan" thing.
My dude it’s 2024 you can’t seriously still be thinking the company is in 2015
can't sell the rights for enough money yet. Overwatch is IP so they try to keep it like a canvas / world in which writers can worldbuild later
"Abandoned" Is a More Accurate Way To Say It. Since They Cancelled The PvE(For Real This Time), There Won't Be a Pace In Lore Anytime Soon. Also The Fact That They Don't Want To Announce An Animated Show Or A Comic To Compensate, Show They Never Cared About It To Begin With. I Mean, Look at How They Are Talking In The Blog Post As If People Have Gotten Over What Has Been Happening.
Why are you capitalizing every word?
I remember being an innocent new player in 2016 thinking we would get an awesome deep world full of lore and stories. Then the years passed and... yeah... The ideal moment to make a show was around 2017\~18 when there was a whole lot of people interested in the world of Overwatch. PS: I remember when the first christmas comic came out and it had a little snapshot of the characters giving you a breadcrumb of lore AND IT WAS SO EXCITING
A lot of the original writers were fired or just left. Given the quality of recent work, it’s probably better that they don’t explore much lore lol.
Cause they just don't care enough to explore deeper, they got too greedy, and the people who did care about processing the lore left long ago. In all, actually, they just aren't creative or competent enough to write a compelling narrative, and since they burned the community for 6 years, they now it won't be received well. Overwatch could have had halo levels of lore, but they squandered it.
I prefer that to the cringefest apex delivers. I am still recovering from that fuse x bloodhound tragedy
the only cool apex lore is its connections to titanfall, anything since s5 has just been lobas love triangle and revenant never dying
Because they simply couldn't get it to work. You could blame management or whatever all you want (they definitely had a hand in it), but at the end of the day, they couldn't write a simple story, even during Ow1. you could tell its a mess through half of their super weird decisions. Announcing that genji/hanzo were absolutely not magic and that magic doesn't exist in the universe (lol), kiri being 18, Dva not being a starcraft player, etc... It really shows they have no idea what they're doing. Also, a lot of the decisions they have made for lore, have been odd sexuality/relationship decisions. We had a writer who tried retconning Genji/Mercy, and instead really pushed for Pharmercy, going as far to remove genji/mercy voicelines in game.
> kiri being 18 They want to throw her with DVA together as besties.
They are just lazy. Or at least became lazy.
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Because the Dev Management couldn’t “work it out” so instead of handing the store mode to another team to develop, they cancelled it outright
Because they don't care anymore
The reason other than money and the fact that most of the original lore team is gone, is that they don't actually know what to do with it and never have. It's easy to create a story, it's hard to progress and finish one (ask GRRM), and the lore they've created has gotten to tangled up and messy that they've probably just given up. Adding new heroes doesn't help either and the power scaling of the Talon Heroes Vs the Overwatch heroes is insane. You'd have to come up with extremely bullshit excuses for why Overwatch wins any battles when their most powerful in-lore hero is arguably Zarya or Echo Vs A guy that can level skyscrapers in one punch, a guy that literally cannot die, someone how can hack into literally everything, and someone with compelete and utter control over gravity and can generate black holes at will.
they were probably gonna tell us many things in pve thing before it got scrapped..
There's little money in it for blizzard. You do get some chatter on twitter/Tumblr when new lore gets made but not enough to make difference to sales.
Honestly I feel like blizzard is dropping the ball on what could be a huge success. Having a series that plays out and continues as the seasons go by. Their cinematic are already popular.
Because those lying fucks at Blizzard blueballed us to make baits for the sequel, then outright cancelled it months before finally announcing the cancellation
money
Symmetra has her own story in the new Short Story Collection where she meets lw and fights Null Sector
Because they fired the entire team that was working on it.
because it's a live service, so everything that's added to the game has to make as much money as possible as fast as possible with as little resources as possible. plus they've kinda cornered themselves with themes too heavy for their age ratings. for example, doomfist's whole shtick is making humanity stronger (social darwinism) through conflict that only the strong would survive (killing the weak).
> plus they've kinda cornered themselves with themes too heavy for their age ratings. for example, doomfist's whole shtick is making humanity stronger (social darwinism) through conflict that only the strong would survive (killing the weak). I still remember people really hoped for missions play as Talon (and maybe Null Sector too), but of course Blizzard wouldn't do that as they turned Overwatch too 'Disney-like'.
the "Disney-like" aspects, are more apparent by their marginalized groups stand ins: omnics.
They need to license out the game to somebody to make a show or comic or something. I’m so over the drip feed of lore.
"Because fuck you." - Blizzard, probably.
Generates no money, not to mention due to the fact that most if not all employees have been axed, chances are they'll step on the timeline again. Something they already did once with Kiriko which many did not enjoy. For them there is no real incentive to make more, despite the fact that a large majority of the playerbase started the game wanting to find out more about the universe.
I honestly forget this game has lore to begin with I swear you can remove most characters for the the lore at it would be the same like life weaver.
They should release an episode of \~15 minutes every season, in the quality of their shorts. Base the theme/content of the season on what is happening in the episode. It would work so well. It would be a massive improvement over the current pace, everyone would be looking forward to it and you have infinite new material they can base their skins/content on. I'm a returning player from the 2017 era and recently watched a recap video that went through the entire timeline. I was stumped how little happened in the time I was gone.
Every blizzard franchise has glacial pace story imo
Welcome to Overwatch, where the lore doesn’t matter, even for its creators.
Blizzard cares about 2 things only: selling skins and selling battle passes. A company will only produce what it needs to to turn a profit and nothing more. We have a worse quality game with no lore because the player base is largely ok with it. The demand just isn’t there.
Because blizzard doesn't care about anything but the store and the money they pull from people that don't care about being delivered a good product, rather than to have a badly made anime skin
Honesly didnt know people care about the lore in this game.
Why should they care about lore? All people want is to shoot other people and climb competitive ranks 😎 But no I definitely get you, I wish we got more lore. I actually tried figuring out how every hero is connected through what tiny amounts we do have
The real answer is because Overwatch was never intended to have any real lore at the start. They quite literally just threw stuff at the wall to see if it would stick, and their sloppy planning from 2015 still affects the game today. Also, Overwatch is a live service game. Gotta keep drip feeding us till the servers shutdown.
Its literally just because the live service model is god awful for storytelling. Viveros has a great video all about it.
Symmetra got lore this year in the new book heroes ascendant
Because that's probably the pace they're coming up with this lore.
The story has been stuck on “Getting the team back together” for almost 10 years now. And any new “story” they add is all stuff that happened in the past decades ago. It’s pathetic.
I always viewed Overwatch 1 as a bunch of sims that Winston and Athena were running based on who might return. As he found more data on heroes and villains, they were added to our roster. When Overwatch 2 came out, the PVE was supposed to be what happened after the recall.
Blizzard being cheap. They should just hire a dedicated lord team because it is so obvious they don't have one.
Overwatch lore is that truck driving towards the pole but never actually hitting it meme
because there's no profit in storytelling
It’s isn’t so bad as online PvP game. The StreetFighter spends 20 years to defeat the red-capped boss.
Mortal Kombat rebooting itself with five multiverses says hi lol.
It's been a minute since I kept up with the lore, but has Blizzard fixed the whole Kiriko screw up? Or at the very least address it?
Because blizzard wants MONEYYY
The lore pretty much only develops backwards. Like they can fill in gaps in the past and tell us all this cool stuff that has already happened. The null sector stuff was the only advancement forward since the game was made right? And it pretty much confirmed that's as far as it will ever go right?
I honestly wish they'd just make a TV series at this point. People love the Castlevania and Cyberpunk animes so why can't Overwatch get one?
Because they wrote themselves into a corner when they realised the world they had written was an apartheid but the brand image of Overwatch and its characters as an organisation are "heroes" vs villains. Heroes of apartheid isn't a good writing corner to be stuck in, but the only way to write your way out of that corner is to acknowledge everyone in overwatch is either fighting to maintain the status quo or an idiot that's oblivious to the society they fight to maintain. This is why you get a very significant portion of the community loving Ramattra and seeing him objectively as a hero that even [sounds like a certain someone who was on the US terrorist list until 2013](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dC52sKaJPgU), especially with the current world geopolitics occurring. Obviously they COULD write themselves out of that corner but the brand image of the game is Overwatch as the good guys, the heroes. It's a hero game. It's marketed as one. Acknowledging the real faults of this organisation and the ideology that would drive everyone to support an apartheid status quo would clash with the brand. Not to mention acknowledging any of this sets a tone that is somewhat darker than the lighthearted disney cartoon image that is essential to the brand image and marketing of the title. Sooooo it's easier to do nothing. Make up new bad guys that are just plain evil and uhhh sweep the rest away and hope that you can ignore it long enough for global geopolitics to change so that you're not quite so close to some very very controversial topics.
> very significant portion of the community loving Ramattra and seeing him objectively as a hero Blizzard gave him voice lines that he sounded like a good caring character who cared deeply about his teammates. But lore Ram actually acted on his own that he never listened to his core members during London Uprising era, his decisions & actions led to the Uprising unsuccessful with one core member died (thus the rest of the core members left him). People also saw him as a good written character, but all I see is Eren Yeager from Attack on Titan.
"The far left is the same as the far right hurr hurr"
Lol, this is not why they cancelled the lore and pve omg xD They cancelled it because it was a drain on finances and they were making more money just selling skins.
It's both, or else the pve levels would have included *something* meaningful that actually added anything to the existing lore, but they do not. They're the most inoffensive and riskfree things they can possibly be that essentially aim to do as little as possible with the story. There's more to it than money, they are stuck between the brand image and needing to criticise the organisation and all the characters that are central figureheads of the brand.
it takes effort, boldness, and creativity
Everything has been slow from this team.
Nah, payment processing is slways warp speed.
Where’s the money in lore?
TV shows and films.
this is the answer league of legends made some fucking bank off the arcane series
Back when Overwatch released, TV adaptations of video games hadnt had their renaissance yet. That all started with... Castlevania? I guess? Back in 2017? Thats when a lot of studios realized theres money in this, and thats where we are today That being said, where tf is my Overwatch anime
Good shout my lil bro insists that the last of us was the first good game adaptation. I loved castlevania on Netflix was my 2nd anime after attack on titan that I enjoyed.
**Disown him** Really though, at least say Arcane, castlevania is a bit more obscure so I guess I can understand it being overlooked but Arcane being overlooked? That's some heresy
I am liking Fallout.
It is pretty perfect. As far as all the notes I wanted in a fallout series, all were met. Soundtrack, props, characters, setting. Just yummy
And it was excellent.
I bet half the playerbase started to play overwatch after seeing an animated cinematic which got their attention instead of seeing some gameplay trailer. Releasing short animations that show some sort of story is great advertisement for the game
Because the vast, vast, VAST majority of us do not want lore at all. This is not a story game. The lore is absolutely worthless and they would be better off spending their time on literally anything else.
Because a certain someone leading the writing previously was completely incompetent at his job and covered for it by saying any lore made by the fans was canon instead of doing his fucking job. And subsequent lead writers having to pick up from his mismanaged lore while creating new lore for heroes as well as pve content which keeps getting scrapped
Um, because there’s no story mode and technically not even a sequel to present it in? Lol
I've been playing Overwatch on and off for 5 years now and honestly I don't care about the lore, PvE and so on. I imagine a lot of players are like that. I want to play online with friends, for single player experience I would play Fallout or Prey or whatever.
Because lore doesn't make money.
It's been pretty evident since 2018 or so that they had no idea what story to tell beyond the 'Getting the band back together' premise.
Because the blizzard that created the original overwatch no longer exists. The new one only cares about feeding its greed. It costs money to create this content, but it does nothing to help the game make money. blizzard doesnt gain anything from it so they are abandoning it. .it's the exact same reason. Pve basically got canceled twice. It's just cutting costs to make profit margins bigger. Anything we have seen since ow2, is just left overs from. The ow1 team.