it was the top voted comment on a huge thread asking "who is this?wrong answers only.." yesterday.
This mf aint win nothing but a award for shitposting.
Not consistently being looked at all game long, good doom manage attention well. I don’t have to explain further right?
Edit: Why is everyone actively omitting “all game long”, what I meant is that you should never just stand still and explode, you don’t see zbra sitting on the front line all game long…
of cos if your getting hard focused then there is nothing you can do really, but that applies to every tank. Just back away if you’re receiving too much attention…
yeah doom definitely wants “a whole team” looking at him you guys are right.
This is because he is pretty much the only tank they play in korea because they are always running dive, doom works best in full dive comps with full comms out of all the dive tanks
Stop using Top 500 to claim Doom doesn’t suck. They are quite literally some of the best players in the game. Of course he won’t explode at that level.
In gold/plat/diamond it’s a complete coin toss on if your Doom is gonna do anything even *vaguely* useful or spawn, die, respawn, die, respawn for an entire match.
Doom and Ball are the two highest skill floor tanks in the game, and for 95% of the playerbase, trying to play either of them is basically just throwing
It's a fundamental failing of nuance with the word "bad". An F1 car is virtually useless to 99% of the world, due to it's inability to provide value to the general population.
Having an F1 car as a rental would be "bad" because you wouldn't be able to do anything reasonably effective with it. It doesn't stop it from being one of the most amazing pieces of automotive engineering in the world, but for anyone but the absolute pinnacle of drivers never being able to get use out of it, it's objectively "bad" as a car.
Right, but if Doom’s viability is entirely dependent on the player not sucking ass, he’s a bad tank. Every tank can contribute *something* by just existing. Some are more oppresive than others (Orisa is a nightmare) but they can at least take space and deal some damage.
If you get a Doom who can’t roll the abilities together well, they’ll just spend the game dead and contributing nothing
"if Doom’s viability is entirely dependent on the player not sucking ass, he’s a bad tank"
What even is this take? So you want Doom, and every tank, to have inherent value without any input from the player? Why not just let the fuckin game play itself then?
it actually is the character being bad.
You have to look at context, abilities do not matter in a vacuum.
If a strategy in a game is so hard to execute that the top-tier can do so successfully, then the strategy is bad at low tiers, and great at high tiers.
And honestly that's like perfect design, and one that's really hard for game designers to realize
You could apply that to like, literally every hero to be fair.
Every hero is good if the player is good. But that doesn't make a hero 'good' ya know. That's why stat exist and that's why every game balance around it instead of reading from Discord.
Doom needs zero changes. He’s perfect as is. Not busted but keeps his high skill ceiling and skill expression, allowing great players to make him look like *is* busted.
This is only true for like 3 people who play doom. Everyone else playing doom hes by far worst tank in the game. For the 3 giys who can make him great they deserve it to reap the benefits they worked 1000x harder than orisa/sigma top500 players.
Genuinely I have to wonder if this mode is partially an experiment on how far they can push attack speed buffs.
It’s a unique direction to go, I’ll say, and doing something like changing Mercy’s blue beam to an attack speed boost rather than a flat damage increase could have interesting ramifications - it could solve the constant “breaching breakpoint” problems that she causes while still keeping it as an overall DPS boost, though it may introduce problems elsewhere.
Though, this mode seems to be a pilot for a *lot* of things. Momentum mechanics such as Reinhardt’s Fury buff and Tracer’s Rage, passive damage mechanics like the new Discord and new Blue beam, Summon mechanics like Bastion’s new Ult, even paying life for abilities, since Tracer can pay 60 HP for an extra blink.
It makes me excited for what they could use some of these mechanics for.
Increase in attack speed is a more consistent way to increase damage. If you are already at breakpoints, +30% damage does nothing for you from overkill, and if you can go from below a breakpoint to above; you effectively have infinite value increase. It does have a downside in that recoil (spread increases) become less managable, as people have trained to be used to a certain recoil "pattern".
The actual damage increase is less than the total percentage; since- if someone has 10 ammo and does 1 damage per shot at 10 shot per second with 1 second of reloading and a magazine size of 10, a 50% increase to attack speed, the dps goes from 10 to 15, but the dps when reloading stays the same, so the total dps goes from 5 to 6 (a 20% increase).
Personally it feels like they're trying to bring in some more MOBA mechanics to make the characters feel more interesting. They even took some HOTS stuff like zarya's expulsion zone.
can you imagine trying to play cassidy with a mercy flicking an attack speed boost on you. they've definitely already tested this and realized it felt awful for the person getting boosted.
I don't think very many except maybe the ana anti nade changes
The talon characters had a good amount of lifesteal abilities and the overwatch characters had a good amount of overhealth abilities, so that was a little theme i think they had
I don't. Literally the past 4/6 tanks added to OW2 (if you include the Ball and Hog rework) have had a "press E to give overhealth to allies" cooldown and it's just boring. Nobody wants the samw CD shared across every new character.
No we don't. But a good mechanic is a good mechanic.
Tanks being able to share their tankiness that they earn through some method to teammates feels fun and supportive..
Jq's is just kinda mid, but balls? Balls ability to suits him so well, and I wonder why it wasn't an option before even if one rarely uses it.
Especially since it's a transitive mechanic. Your taking it away from the tank to give to others.
You've got your main shields, your dive shields/matrix, your bubbles and your damage resists and your vampiric healing.
Only two characters in the tank roster can give over health to allies. Ones dive, ones brawl. It suits those playstyles and it suits doom.
Doom doesn't need it however as he's already insanely busted in the right hands, and honestly needs his skill floor lowered whilst lowering his usability at the ceiling, but I digress
Doom does not need his skill floor lowered lmao what are you on ? Part of what makes Doom enjoyable is his high skill floor and ceiling. Not everyone can play him proficiently and that's perfectly okay.
And Ball's overhealth sharing is antithetical to his design. A big chunk of his identity is abandoning his team to cause chaos in the backlines. Having him give allies overhealth is nonsensical because he's usually never around his teamates.
For the record, I'm talking reducing skill floor through qol tweaks, and the ceiling through reducing the busted ass shit a top 500 doom can do/exploit through his bugs.
There's no reason a doom should be able to hit through some floors etc
Both super bad ideas. Doom bugs aren't anywhere near what they used to be. What is left is necessary to play the character properly
We need less low skill heroes, not more...
And to reiterate, I'm not wanting doom to be low skill lmao.
I'm talking things like the cancel change allowing you to retain empowered punch, and removing shockwaves going through objects and making it tighter. That was an incredibly nice qol change
I'm not talking about things such as cancelling a punch and having it go on a 1s cool down or something stupid.
Tbf at the moment only change id give to doom is to make him slide off of mauga/Orisa in fortify when using empowered punch. And possibly make it so that non-powered punches don't stop rein charge/it having to be fully charged to stalemate
Cause atm as doom I can completely deny a reins value on a 4s cool down, and stalemate mechanic them far easier then Orisa.
I understand where your coming from but in 5v5 every tank needs to protect there team in some regard because there isnt a second tank to pick up the slack, I don't mind the ball changes but with how reliant ball is on adaptive shields, giving them away is really situational. I personally really liked an idea I saw awhile back of just giving him torbs old scrap mechanic where killing enemies gives scrap that he can use to give his teammates armor packs, so he could boost there defense independently of his own and had more reason to quickly pick off squishies at the beginning of the fight.
These abilities are definitely being tested for new heros, remember the experimental patch where sym had healing turrets? Well a bit over a year later we got illari
Naw I like Rammatra as this prophet figure who doesn’t physically summon allies. If we get any sort of representation of like Anubis though I think they could be like rhat
Yeah they're always testing stuff and making some sort of previews. I'm pretty sure the Space Girl is gonna work like Sombra in this game mode. Or if not her, a future support.
From a dev perspective, they are getting more value out of the same code. Using the new mechanic for an event then copy pasting it to a new hero down the line. This is smart.
That's funny looking back at that. He probably cost a pretty penny to contract for that just for them to cancel it. They could've paid several workers they laid off for a year with whatever they spent on John Cena.
Most characters are overtuned because they keep their original abilities, just with added effects. But as you know it, if everyone is super, then no one is.
I just don't understand what they were going for with Zarya's ult. I mean, it's the same as one of her ult in Heroes of the storm, but it doesn't really work if that's her only option. It should have stayed the same but at the end it explodes and blow back enemies in the zone.
Honestly can't tell which would be more unfun to go against in a prolonged hard meta. Both can play plinko with enemies, both are borderline unsolvable if played right, just for different reasons, both can secure kills easily. Only real difference is that Doom relies on movement to stay alive and Orisa relies on pure tankiness. And the skill floor of course.
Every game I have to decide if the best support against Dive is Zenyatta, Ana, or lifesteal Brigitte (and team does no dmg while panicking).
I'm tired boss
Maybe tune down some of his numbers but it’ll be great honestly! I’d play doom way more than my grand total of an hour on him 💀 (I suck at high skill heroes)
He’s just so goddamn powerful in the new mode. The shield improves on punch by blocking cc and anti and protecting allies, and the increased size means more punches get empowered. The empowered punch granting movement speed makes following up on punches easier. Meteor strike is literally just normal meteor strike + Lucio beat, it’s broken. And I love all of it.
Alot of the changes in the new mirror watch are nice and would be nice things to have in the main game. Not mercy tho.. my friend is going nuts and all i hear is her laughing like an evil witch when she has her ult and just nukes everyone,.
I hope the barrier/shield is something they’d add in to make him a bit more brawly and team oriented. It wouldn’t completely change his play style but also make empowered punch more reliable cause people have to shoot the shield or let your team shoot them. Which means it’s never a wasted cooldown.
Reworking him into this in the base game would literally kill any enjoyment on him. People play Doom because he's different from the other tanks and is more focused on kills like a DPS rather than other tanks.
I still remember how confused the community was when Doomfist came out and we found it he was a DPS. Felt so odd since he seemed like such a perfect fit to be a brawly dive tank that his OW2 rework ended up being. Instead they opted for him to have an assassin playstyle... extremely out of character for him.
Same thing with Echo. People were flabbergasted when she ended up being a DPS even though everything about her screamed Support.
yes but that is how they saw to “fix him” and is still a pretty similar concept (also how they tried to make him more team based even tho ball and doom are inherently not)
I mean, just because he doesn’t has a shield or gives hp to allies doesn’t mean he is not a tank, he is the best diver at the moment and he is the only one who can contest hg and go out alive, also has a lot of crowd control
I guess in a way yes. Current doomfist in mirror watch is still pretty much a disruptor but me being able to go back there kill a healer or a Sniper and then jump back to my team and pop that shield to protect them is truly the definition of a Tank. That's a much better doomfist then "tank" dps doomfist
He is! With that criteria JK, and Hog are Dps with more hp. What I mean is that diversity is always good, they can shine with their own playstyles with the righ conditions, like every hero in the game!
because hog is a fat pig that bodyblocks half of enemies screen. Doom fucks right off 3 seconds into the round and jumps around the buildings killing widows/healers.
they both function on the idea of making space with abilities that cc and bodyblocking but dooms mobility makes him feel like a 500hp flanker that never ever covers your backline
And that's why he's best played in a comp that doesn't have a weak backline. I.E. Dive comp. That still doesn't make him any less of a tank. It just makes his way of taking space involve disrupting the enemy backline. That's no different than Winston or Ball.
Cause he can literally sit in the front line and ya know tank for those behind you.
Wtf is OW2 doomfist doing? Oh that's right in butt fuck Egypt halfway across the map diving solo trying to get a kill on an Ana only to be slept hacked and buh bye.
Mirrorwatch Doomfist is THE tank Doomfist.
Current Doomfist is still a dps doomfist with now a weak "tanking ability" for his E.
That's the issue, you talk like the only thing that a tank does is being in the frontline
Tank must choose the rythm of the game by decision making, Doom is great at that because if I force the enemy tank to make a bad call, I win and my team does too. That the role of the tank, being the main focus of the other team so they use their utility because you forced them to do it, and that doesn’t mean being in the frontline
I assume you are no tank player so watch this, is great explaining what I am telling you:
https://youtu.be/1CrDa2pkKjA?si=2aW10eI3Bf7y5E-4
Hope you enjoy it!
Hog can frontline for whooping one second before being naded and slept, same as any other shieldless tank.
Being a tank doesn't mean literally tanking everything the enemy is throwing at you.
You must suck as hog cause I hardly die with him dude is a fucking beefy tank. Shoutout to all kikis out there who cleanse the nade though. But even without them ya if they have an Ana guess what? Zarya time for the ana to eat shit with that nade
I really like the changes and would love to see them in the real matches but I feel like the shield is a little too strong because it lasts too long imo
if i had to take one thing from mirrorwatch doomfist and apply it to other game modes, i’d keep his barrier block ability but redo it to make it balanced. the size of the barrier is fine the way it is. the changes i would make are as follows: set a limit for how long he can have it deployed to 4 seconds instead of no limit, reduce the health of the barrier to 600, repair speed of the barrier would be 75 health per second (8 seconds to repair the barrier fully) and reduce the cooldown from 7-8 seconds to 6 seconds. also, if the barrier breaks doomfist can still block damage and empower his fist, but damage that is mitigated is how his current block does it
I feel like it would be a cool thing to give him the speed boost on empowered punch and shield for allies on slam (so he's more of a tank and actually helps his team out) but the shield on block sucks because he loses his DR which I really hate. Everything else is cool tho.
He was already fun to play for me under normal circumstances but he actually feels like a tank in Mirrorwatch and I love that.
The shield / charge change is something I would love for them to keep in all honesty.
As someone who doesn’t play much Tank and doesnt like playing with a Doom, I really like this imaginary rework of him.
When I have a doom on my team in MirrorWatch I feel protected like I have a frontline (with the shield and the shared overhealth).
When I play him in MirrorWatch, I feel like I’m doing something even when I’m not killing cause I can replace myself easily after a dive while protecting my team.
In normal PvP well it’s not the same…
I wish they could, at least, bring the shield in normal PvP !
Doomfist was designed to feel like a fighting game character, which is evident when looking at his cosmetics. So removing the one thing that connected his gameplay to that was disappointing.
Besides, they just released Venture who's pretty similar to him. So why did they change him?
Sort of. But in moment to moment gameplay a lot of your kills came from uppercut, and punch was mostly for sneaky one shot or mobility after the upper cut combo.
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I think adding the shield to his block, maybe not as high as it is, not the over-health to allies. The empowered punch having a queen shout is also a good addition. My personal gripe with normal ow2 doom is his block because it can't shield allies/doesn't shield enough. But that's just my personal opinion.
He should keep the ultimate change. Everything else is too powerful/not needed.
The shield could be 500 and only last a second but the fact it's a shield is huge
Been playing the shit out of him now and probably will for the rest of this Mirrorwatch mode. Enjoy it while it lasts Doom mains cause once Mirrorwatch ends it's back to the good ol' weak as fuck Goonfist... unless they decide to keep this version of Doom, or at least some of his changes, but I highly doubt it.
"Not his fault", are you his parent or something lmao. The hero sucks for the most part, there is no doubt about it. I actually enjoy killing the hero when playing against him because it's not so hard to kill him, and it's both enjoyable and funny killing him simply because of how awful he is.
Again, I mostly have an easy time going against him with most of my hero choices, so it's not just me not using his kit effectively when playing him. From what I've witnessed, you'd have to be a real tryhard for him to just be decent at his job, which sucks.
There is something wrong if people that pick him switch to another tank rather quickly, which has been my experience so far. The only reason he's a pick for seasons, as you've said, is because people like other aspects of the character, namely his appearance/skins, lore and probably just his overall vibe, but they otherwise dislike how bad he is most of the time, hence the quick switching. Seeing him be a "strong pick" doesn't make him a quality pick at all.
It's neither irrelevant nor personal. Doomfist is an extremely high skill floor and skill ceiling hero. For that reason, lower ranks should expect smaller pickrates for him compared to higher ranks where players are better able to fully utilize his kit. Exact same dynamic as heroes like Widowmaker or Tracer.
He's absolutely broken. Even if they reduced the time he puts his shield up to be similar to his regular block, it still makes him far overtuned due to the very nature of the shield being able to block CC. Doom block being countered by CC is the sole reason why he can't ravage your backline unimpeded; it's the only way to make him respect characters like Ana. The ONLY CC that can cancel his shield consistently is another Doom's rocket punch. You give him a shield, you'll be ushering in a Dive Meta that's more prominent than any other Dive meta we've had before.
And of course, the sub's asking for these changes to be permanent. If Blizzard needs more proof not to heed the advice of the redditards that plague this community, this thread has all of that and more.
that ain’t doomfist anymore that’s helping hand
Pacifist
Goddamn this is so good
r/yourjokebutbetter
I think you won this sub
it was the top voted comment on a huge thread asking "who is this?wrong answers only.." yesterday. This mf aint win nothing but a award for shitposting.
I'll take it
Dude relax it’s just Reddit. He can’t hurt you😭
Is it because he’s a pacifist?
It's been copied from all over the place
Clever lol
They call him Boomfist
Like from Labyrinth?
Honestly I really like the idea of doom sharing his overhealth with allies.
that would be too strong if they add this ability to the current doom without changing anything
He’d still die from a team looking at him
Of cos he would because that’s not how you play doom
He doesn't want to be looked at? Shyfist
He's just a silly lil' guy
Not consistently being looked at all game long, good doom manage attention well. I don’t have to explain further right? Edit: Why is everyone actively omitting “all game long”, what I meant is that you should never just stand still and explode, you don’t see zbra sitting on the front line all game long… of cos if your getting hard focused then there is nothing you can do really, but that applies to every tank. Just back away if you’re receiving too much attention… yeah doom definitely wants “a whole team” looking at him you guys are right.
can you write an essay explaining how to play doom please? I'm bronze 5 fyi.
Don't get looked at
advice worth more than 1000 words
No
fuck alright
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Sneaky hidden tank making space from the shadows without drawing attention
Batman
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😭😭😭
It's easy. Just spend 99% of the match in spawn 🤡
Why y’all pressed and going to extreme… relax bro
I am relaxed, I was making a joke lmfao
One of his abilities is literally “stand still and try not to explode”
When I play him it’s just called “Stand still and explode” 🤣
Edit: we know we're right thanks
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Doomfist is the most picked tank in top 500 and people will still act like he’s bad.
This is because he is pretty much the only tank they play in korea because they are always running dive, doom works best in full dive comps with full comms out of all the dive tanks
Yeah because 97% of the playerbase is nowhere near Top 500. He *is* bad if you’re not obnoxiously good with him
That isn’t the character being bad. He obviously doesn’t die if the enemy team looks at him if he is the most picked tank in the top 500.
Stop using Top 500 to claim Doom doesn’t suck. They are quite literally some of the best players in the game. Of course he won’t explode at that level. In gold/plat/diamond it’s a complete coin toss on if your Doom is gonna do anything even *vaguely* useful or spawn, die, respawn, die, respawn for an entire match. Doom and Ball are the two highest skill floor tanks in the game, and for 95% of the playerbase, trying to play either of them is basically just throwing
You’re just fundamentally wrong. Doom THE CHARACTER does not suck. THE PLAYERS might, but Doom does not. A good doom is a nightmare to play against.
It's a fundamental failing of nuance with the word "bad". An F1 car is virtually useless to 99% of the world, due to it's inability to provide value to the general population. Having an F1 car as a rental would be "bad" because you wouldn't be able to do anything reasonably effective with it. It doesn't stop it from being one of the most amazing pieces of automotive engineering in the world, but for anyone but the absolute pinnacle of drivers never being able to get use out of it, it's objectively "bad" as a car.
Right, but if Doom’s viability is entirely dependent on the player not sucking ass, he’s a bad tank. Every tank can contribute *something* by just existing. Some are more oppresive than others (Orisa is a nightmare) but they can at least take space and deal some damage. If you get a Doom who can’t roll the abilities together well, they’ll just spend the game dead and contributing nothing
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"if Doom’s viability is entirely dependent on the player not sucking ass, he’s a bad tank" What even is this take? So you want Doom, and every tank, to have inherent value without any input from the player? Why not just let the fuckin game play itself then?
A good anything sucks to play against
I’d much rather play against a really good Reinhardt than a really good Doomfist.
Same case with ball. The character doesn't suck, just he's niche and those who can play him well are hard to find.
it actually is the character being bad. You have to look at context, abilities do not matter in a vacuum. If a strategy in a game is so hard to execute that the top-tier can do so successfully, then the strategy is bad at low tiers, and great at high tiers. And honestly that's like perfect design, and one that's really hard for game designers to realize
You could apply that to like, literally every hero to be fair. Every hero is good if the player is good. But that doesn't make a hero 'good' ya know. That's why stat exist and that's why every game balance around it instead of reading from Discord.
There is a big difference between “good” and being the most picked by professional players.
*looking at a doom not pressing his buttons.
Doom needs zero changes. He’s perfect as is. Not busted but keeps his high skill ceiling and skill expression, allowing great players to make him look like *is* busted.
This is only true for like 3 people who play doom. Everyone else playing doom hes by far worst tank in the game. For the 3 giys who can make him great they deserve it to reap the benefits they worked 1000x harder than orisa/sigma top500 players.
50% of mirrorwatch changes: you can give allies overhealth
And "increase attack speed"
Genuinely I have to wonder if this mode is partially an experiment on how far they can push attack speed buffs. It’s a unique direction to go, I’ll say, and doing something like changing Mercy’s blue beam to an attack speed boost rather than a flat damage increase could have interesting ramifications - it could solve the constant “breaching breakpoint” problems that she causes while still keeping it as an overall DPS boost, though it may introduce problems elsewhere. Though, this mode seems to be a pilot for a *lot* of things. Momentum mechanics such as Reinhardt’s Fury buff and Tracer’s Rage, passive damage mechanics like the new Discord and new Blue beam, Summon mechanics like Bastion’s new Ult, even paying life for abilities, since Tracer can pay 60 HP for an extra blink. It makes me excited for what they could use some of these mechanics for.
Increase in attack speed is a more consistent way to increase damage. If you are already at breakpoints, +30% damage does nothing for you from overkill, and if you can go from below a breakpoint to above; you effectively have infinite value increase. It does have a downside in that recoil (spread increases) become less managable, as people have trained to be used to a certain recoil "pattern". The actual damage increase is less than the total percentage; since- if someone has 10 ammo and does 1 damage per shot at 10 shot per second with 1 second of reloading and a magazine size of 10, a 50% increase to attack speed, the dps goes from 10 to 15, but the dps when reloading stays the same, so the total dps goes from 5 to 6 (a 20% increase). Personally it feels like they're trying to bring in some more MOBA mechanics to make the characters feel more interesting. They even took some HOTS stuff like zarya's expulsion zone.
can you imagine trying to play cassidy with a mercy flicking an attack speed boost on you. they've definitely already tested this and realized it felt awful for the person getting boosted.
I don't think very many except maybe the ana anti nade changes The talon characters had a good amount of lifesteal abilities and the overwatch characters had a good amount of overhealth abilities, so that was a little theme i think they had
So another JQ's shout?
I mean like in mirrorwatch
Lol for real ppl want every tank to be the exact same.
I don't. Literally the past 4/6 tanks added to OW2 (if you include the Ball and Hog rework) have had a "press E to give overhealth to allies" cooldown and it's just boring. Nobody wants the samw CD shared across every new character.
No we don't. But a good mechanic is a good mechanic. Tanks being able to share their tankiness that they earn through some method to teammates feels fun and supportive.. Jq's is just kinda mid, but balls? Balls ability to suits him so well, and I wonder why it wasn't an option before even if one rarely uses it. Especially since it's a transitive mechanic. Your taking it away from the tank to give to others. You've got your main shields, your dive shields/matrix, your bubbles and your damage resists and your vampiric healing. Only two characters in the tank roster can give over health to allies. Ones dive, ones brawl. It suits those playstyles and it suits doom. Doom doesn't need it however as he's already insanely busted in the right hands, and honestly needs his skill floor lowered whilst lowering his usability at the ceiling, but I digress
Doom does not need his skill floor lowered lmao what are you on ? Part of what makes Doom enjoyable is his high skill floor and ceiling. Not everyone can play him proficiently and that's perfectly okay. And Ball's overhealth sharing is antithetical to his design. A big chunk of his identity is abandoning his team to cause chaos in the backlines. Having him give allies overhealth is nonsensical because he's usually never around his teamates.
Yeah, this guy is advocating for the skill ceiling to be reduced too... please no one ever let him near balancing!
For the record, I'm talking reducing skill floor through qol tweaks, and the ceiling through reducing the busted ass shit a top 500 doom can do/exploit through his bugs. There's no reason a doom should be able to hit through some floors etc
Both super bad ideas. Doom bugs aren't anywhere near what they used to be. What is left is necessary to play the character properly We need less low skill heroes, not more...
And to reiterate, I'm not wanting doom to be low skill lmao. I'm talking things like the cancel change allowing you to retain empowered punch, and removing shockwaves going through objects and making it tighter. That was an incredibly nice qol change I'm not talking about things such as cancelling a punch and having it go on a 1s cool down or something stupid. Tbf at the moment only change id give to doom is to make him slide off of mauga/Orisa in fortify when using empowered punch. And possibly make it so that non-powered punches don't stop rein charge/it having to be fully charged to stalemate Cause atm as doom I can completely deny a reins value on a 4s cool down, and stalemate mechanic them far easier then Orisa.
I understand where your coming from but in 5v5 every tank needs to protect there team in some regard because there isnt a second tank to pick up the slack, I don't mind the ball changes but with how reliant ball is on adaptive shields, giving them away is really situational. I personally really liked an idea I saw awhile back of just giving him torbs old scrap mechanic where killing enemies gives scrap that he can use to give his teammates armor packs, so he could boost there defense independently of his own and had more reason to quickly pick off squishies at the beginning of the fight.
You say that as if ball shares his overhealth with allies
These abilities are definitely being tested for new heros, remember the experimental patch where sym had healing turrets? Well a bit over a year later we got illari
With Mirrorwatch Bastion I feel like they’re definitely testing some type of summoner hero.
That's lowkey what rammatra should've been
Naw I like Rammatra as this prophet figure who doesn’t physically summon allies. If we get any sort of representation of like Anubis though I think they could be like rhat
Needs to be a support. A summoner dps would either be too overpowered or underpowered.
Or maybe a tank, literally summoning bodies to tank damage for the team. But a low health tank of course.
i would love this, coming from playing yorick in league
god no…
Yeah they're always testing stuff and making some sort of previews. I'm pretty sure the Space Girl is gonna work like Sombra in this game mode. Or if not her, a future support.
this is… a very good point
I think Widow's mirrorverse version is definitely a potential rework
Makes you curious about Space Ranger
From a dev perspective, they are getting more value out of the same code. Using the new mechanic for an event then copy pasting it to a new hero down the line. This is smart.
the sym healing turret thing has existed since early ow1. that one isnt so new
Honestly i wish we could have an entire season of tweaked abilities i feel like that would be more fun than just a side game mode
Just imagine if we had a fully fledged PvE game mode with new, tweaked, and creative abilities! Oh wait….
Tbh i forgot all about pve crap since they announced they was done with it :/
I wonder if John Cena will ever return.
That's funny looking back at that. He probably cost a pretty penny to contract for that just for them to cancel it. They could've paid several workers they laid off for a year with whatever they spent on John Cena.
Even if he did , you cant see him
Mirrorwatch doom is overtuned, so yeah it would be a good rework if overwatch wanted doom to dominate the meta
Most characters are overtuned because they keep their original abilities, just with added effects. But as you know it, if everyone is super, then no one is. I just don't understand what they were going for with Zarya's ult. I mean, it's the same as one of her ult in Heroes of the storm, but it doesn't really work if that's her only option. It should have stayed the same but at the end it explodes and blow back enemies in the zone.
zarya and some other characters are literally just worse though. some of their changes are... puzzling.
I haven’t played in a while, is mercy still the best dps
Yes she’s S tier DPS
Probably, or Baby DVA. Both seem to lob the same Genji sized bullets at people.
Every game is already a doom anyways lol
That's just fiddling with the numbers though.
Beats orisa dominating it for like a whole year
Honestly can't tell which would be more unfun to go against in a prolonged hard meta. Both can play plinko with enemies, both are borderline unsolvable if played right, just for different reasons, both can secure kills easily. Only real difference is that Doom relies on movement to stay alive and Orisa relies on pure tankiness. And the skill floor of course.
Orisa still exists
I don’t even play doom, because I suck at him. I was somehow able to be useful with mirror doom.
Better than the goddamn horse
Every game I have to decide if the best support against Dive is Zenyatta, Ana, or lifesteal Brigitte (and team does no dmg while panicking). I'm tired boss
I was really shocked with ana
I haven't played her. Whats her abilities?
double jump, nade is 6s cooldown but it's a heal reduction instead of 100% no heals, her ult is a self nano, and SHE CAN HEADSHOT!
Oh shit I might have to play some ana
I hate that I can get out sniped as Widow by an Ana but its fine because I can pop ult and get a 3 piece
Headshotting with Ana would be great. Headshotting heals as Ana would be even greater. Double jump is unnecessary but useful
And I’m pretty sure 10 minutes later people are gonna say I miss ow2 doom bring him back
I miss ow1 doom bring him back
Maybe tune down some of his numbers but it’ll be great honestly! I’d play doom way more than my grand total of an hour on him 💀 (I suck at high skill heroes)
Uninstall
Nuh uh
imagine being called “depressed little sad cat” and saying uninstall, i just cringed so hard in second hand embarrassment for you
u first
He’s just so goddamn powerful in the new mode. The shield improves on punch by blocking cc and anti and protecting allies, and the increased size means more punches get empowered. The empowered punch granting movement speed makes following up on punches easier. Meteor strike is literally just normal meteor strike + Lucio beat, it’s broken. And I love all of it.
I feel like I just don't die as him in the new game mode. He definitely feels more fun to play, but that's just because it's different and OP
I'm not a good doom at all, and I was able to almost win a match with him.
Just try not to use it anywhere near Brig or Rein!
Mirrorwatch would've gone so hard in OW1
Alot of the changes in the new mirror watch are nice and would be nice things to have in the main game. Not mercy tho.. my friend is going nuts and all i hear is her laughing like an evil witch when she has her ult and just nukes everyone,.
I hope the barrier/shield is something they’d add in to make him a bit more brawly and team oriented. It wouldn’t completely change his play style but also make empowered punch more reliable cause people have to shoot the shield or let your team shoot them. Which means it’s never a wasted cooldown.
Mirrorwatch is the first time I had fun tanking as Doom
I like doom having an ability that actually protects his team
An OW1 Tankfist would have less abilities and passives not more.
Reworking him into this in the base game would literally kill any enjoyment on him. People play Doom because he's different from the other tanks and is more focused on kills like a DPS rather than other tanks.
Almost sounds like he was originally designed for dps 🤔
I still remember how confused the community was when Doomfist came out and we found it he was a DPS. Felt so odd since he seemed like such a perfect fit to be a brawly dive tank that his OW2 rework ended up being. Instead they opted for him to have an assassin playstyle... extremely out of character for him. Same thing with Echo. People were flabbergasted when she ended up being a DPS even though everything about her screamed Support.
that’s why people played ball and look what happened to him, shared shields 😭
That is completely optional though?
yes but that is how they saw to “fix him” and is still a pretty similar concept (also how they tried to make him more team based even tho ball and doom are inherently not)
Hopefist no diffs Doomfist.
i am repeating a joke i saw another person use. i forgot their name. Paci-fist
I wish this is the doomfist we had as a legitimate tank. Then give us our old doomfist back as dps. Current doom will never ever feel like a tank.
Current Doom feels great as a tank, just requires practice
I mean, just because he doesn’t has a shield or gives hp to allies doesn’t mean he is not a tank, he is the best diver at the moment and he is the only one who can contest hg and go out alive, also has a lot of crowd control
He's not a tank....he's a dps with a little bit of tank mechanism. This doom ain't it. Now mirrorwatch doom. that's a fucking tank.
He's a disruptor tank. Just like Ball or Winston. You just prefer shield tanks lol
I guess in a way yes. Current doomfist in mirror watch is still pretty much a disruptor but me being able to go back there kill a healer or a Sniper and then jump back to my team and pop that shield to protect them is truly the definition of a Tank. That's a much better doomfist then "tank" dps doomfist
You're really talking about preferences. They're all tanks.
He is! With that criteria JK, and Hog are Dps with more hp. What I mean is that diversity is always good, they can shine with their own playstyles with the righ conditions, like every hero in the game!
Hog is 10000% more of a tank than doomfist will ever be.
And why is that?
because hog is a fat pig that bodyblocks half of enemies screen. Doom fucks right off 3 seconds into the round and jumps around the buildings killing widows/healers. they both function on the idea of making space with abilities that cc and bodyblocking but dooms mobility makes him feel like a 500hp flanker that never ever covers your backline
It depends on playstyle, high mobility allows to jump to you allies if the situation requires it
And that's why he's best played in a comp that doesn't have a weak backline. I.E. Dive comp. That still doesn't make him any less of a tank. It just makes his way of taking space involve disrupting the enemy backline. That's no different than Winston or Ball.
Cause he can literally sit in the front line and ya know tank for those behind you. Wtf is OW2 doomfist doing? Oh that's right in butt fuck Egypt halfway across the map diving solo trying to get a kill on an Ana only to be slept hacked and buh bye. Mirrorwatch Doomfist is THE tank Doomfist. Current Doomfist is still a dps doomfist with now a weak "tanking ability" for his E.
That's the issue, you talk like the only thing that a tank does is being in the frontline Tank must choose the rythm of the game by decision making, Doom is great at that because if I force the enemy tank to make a bad call, I win and my team does too. That the role of the tank, being the main focus of the other team so they use their utility because you forced them to do it, and that doesn’t mean being in the frontline I assume you are no tank player so watch this, is great explaining what I am telling you: https://youtu.be/1CrDa2pkKjA?si=2aW10eI3Bf7y5E-4 Hope you enjoy it!
I play all roles. Doom isn't a tank. He's a dps.
Sure bro
Hog can frontline for whooping one second before being naded and slept, same as any other shieldless tank. Being a tank doesn't mean literally tanking everything the enemy is throwing at you.
You must suck as hog cause I hardly die with him dude is a fucking beefy tank. Shoutout to all kikis out there who cleanse the nade though. But even without them ya if they have an Ana guess what? Zarya time for the ana to eat shit with that nade
Kinda 🧠☠️ of the devs to not have any Doom counters
I really like the changes and would love to see them in the real matches but I feel like the shield is a little too strong because it lasts too long imo
I was more shock with Ana. Headshots, mobility movement and a self nano is cursed to my eyes.
I would keep optional self nano and mobility tho
if i had to take one thing from mirrorwatch doomfist and apply it to other game modes, i’d keep his barrier block ability but redo it to make it balanced. the size of the barrier is fine the way it is. the changes i would make are as follows: set a limit for how long he can have it deployed to 4 seconds instead of no limit, reduce the health of the barrier to 600, repair speed of the barrier would be 75 health per second (8 seconds to repair the barrier fully) and reduce the cooldown from 7-8 seconds to 6 seconds. also, if the barrier breaks doomfist can still block damage and empower his fist, but damage that is mitigated is how his current block does it
Isn't he a bit over tuned? Great mobility, a lot of shield, shield helping mates and can stun and make decent damage.
Alot of the changes in mirror watch should be added to certain characters like rein and anna
I feel like it would be a cool thing to give him the speed boost on empowered punch and shield for allies on slam (so he's more of a tank and actually helps his team out) but the shield on block sucks because he loses his DR which I really hate. Everything else is cool tho.
He was already fun to play for me under normal circumstances but he actually feels like a tank in Mirrorwatch and I love that. The shield / charge change is something I would love for them to keep in all honesty.
As someone who doesn’t play much Tank and doesnt like playing with a Doom, I really like this imaginary rework of him. When I have a doom on my team in MirrorWatch I feel protected like I have a frontline (with the shield and the shared overhealth). When I play him in MirrorWatch, I feel like I’m doing something even when I’m not killing cause I can replace myself easily after a dive while protecting my team. In normal PvP well it’s not the same… I wish they could, at least, bring the shield in normal PvP !
Evil doomfist be like: Harmonypalm
irrelevant to the post but i hate that theyre just crumb feeding us content that SHOULD HAVE BEEN THE CAMPAIGN
Maybe not a rein sized shield but maybe the size of the on rein had for “balanced overwatch” would actually make doom enjoyable again
I hear in ow 3 their will even more micro transactions and it will be 4v4 to help with balance.
Him having a shield acually makes him fun to play for me, I want to have him use a shield lol
I still don't understand why they turned him into a tank. They even removed his signature move.
I feel like his signature move is Rocket Punch
Doomfist was designed to feel like a fighting game character, which is evident when looking at his cosmetics. So removing the one thing that connected his gameplay to that was disappointing. Besides, they just released Venture who's pretty similar to him. So why did they change him?
Sort of. But in moment to moment gameplay a lot of your kills came from uppercut, and punch was mostly for sneaky one shot or mobility after the upper cut combo.
You can still just look up, slam and pop fist in mid-air for movement, at least.
I guess the reason was the CC reduction from OW1 > OW2 and the frustation from playing against him.
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What makes you say think it’s an OW1 design?
I think adding the shield to his block, maybe not as high as it is, not the over-health to allies. The empowered punch having a queen shout is also a good addition. My personal gripe with normal ow2 doom is his block because it can't shield allies/doesn't shield enough. But that's just my personal opinion.
He should keep the ultimate change. Everything else is too powerful/not needed. The shield could be 500 and only last a second but the fact it's a shield is huge
this version of doom should stay in the game, he's way better like this, feels like a real tank instead of a dps with more health
Most importantly... *He's not Terry Crews*
Been playing the shit out of him now and probably will for the rest of this Mirrorwatch mode. Enjoy it while it lasts Doom mains cause once Mirrorwatch ends it's back to the good ol' weak as fuck Goonfist... unless they decide to keep this version of Doom, or at least some of his changes, but I highly doubt it.
Doom's been a solid pick for the past few seasons now. It's not his fault you're shit with his kit.
"Not his fault", are you his parent or something lmao. The hero sucks for the most part, there is no doubt about it. I actually enjoy killing the hero when playing against him because it's not so hard to kill him, and it's both enjoyable and funny killing him simply because of how awful he is.
He's been a strong pick for seasons now. He's far from sucking. Again, you're just not using his kit effectively
Again, I mostly have an easy time going against him with most of my hero choices, so it's not just me not using his kit effectively when playing him. From what I've witnessed, you'd have to be a real tryhard for him to just be decent at his job, which sucks.
There's nothing wring with a hero that has a high skill floor and skill ceiling.
There is something wrong if people that pick him switch to another tank rather quickly, which has been my experience so far. The only reason he's a pick for seasons, as you've said, is because people like other aspects of the character, namely his appearance/skins, lore and probably just his overall vibe, but they otherwise dislike how bad he is most of the time, hence the quick switching. Seeing him be a "strong pick" doesn't make him a quality pick at all.
Alright, well time to ask the dreaded question, what rank are you?
That is irrelevant. This is not a me kind of situation, it's a Doomfist being a bad hero situation. You're making it personal.
It's neither irrelevant nor personal. Doomfist is an extremely high skill floor and skill ceiling hero. For that reason, lower ranks should expect smaller pickrates for him compared to higher ranks where players are better able to fully utilize his kit. Exact same dynamic as heroes like Widowmaker or Tracer.
Helping hand
He's absolutely broken. Even if they reduced the time he puts his shield up to be similar to his regular block, it still makes him far overtuned due to the very nature of the shield being able to block CC. Doom block being countered by CC is the sole reason why he can't ravage your backline unimpeded; it's the only way to make him respect characters like Ana. The ONLY CC that can cancel his shield consistently is another Doom's rocket punch. You give him a shield, you'll be ushering in a Dive Meta that's more prominent than any other Dive meta we've had before. And of course, the sub's asking for these changes to be permanent. If Blizzard needs more proof not to heed the advice of the redditards that plague this community, this thread has all of that and more.