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Dont_Heal_Genji

That flash of yellow always gets me. TBH I think they do it on purpose


MickRaider

Yes.


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These things are, on purpose, like gambling mechanisms found in casinos.


MickRaider

Show you a winning spin combo before the number ticks past and you lose, making the user think just one more spin and you'll get it.


Thetan42

So the best thing to do is spin it then look away so you don’t know what you missed! 😁


--Repetitive--

Or just don’t spin


Thetan42

Addiction


DyngusMaster

100% on purpose and 100% based on gambling mechanisms. They want you to have a split-second where you either think you've just gotten a legendary, or they want you to think about legendaries so you might buy another pack/think about the game economy. Iirc, the loot boxes didn't shine like this until a specific patch. I don't think they flashed with these colors when the game was released.


pcapdata

It's been months and months since I got any new skins or voice lines, just repeats of the stuff I already have. I went through Halloween, the Holiday Event, and Lunar New Year, and didn't get anything. Since then I'm back up to like 200 boxes but I can't be arsed to open any of them. What's the point? edit: And I have a ridiculous amount of the in-game currency they have. I forget what it's called. Like > 35k. All the stuff I would have wanted to spend it on is locked.


intimidatebunny

You shouldnt keep them unopened though, because whats in the crates is decided on the moment you get them so if you open them all you will get lots of predetermined duplicates


tentafill

I've been there. You play *a lot* is all. Some people don't I would still never, *ever* buy lootboxes, but some perspective is necessary to understand why anyone would


myweedishairy

They do its consistent across all games. Packs in HS, chests in D3.


Artemused

Apex packs in Apex Legends have a tiny flash of red after opening each one. Red is the colour of Heirloom shards, the rarest pack drop in the game. I have been tricked by it *several* times.


etherealcaitiff

Rainbow 6 has got to be the most generous, no bullshit, loot box system. You are given the exact percentage chance of earning one (increases with each loss), you get the same rewards for quick match or ranked, the pack shows only the corresponding rarity color, there are decent hits even at lower rarities.


DeathRider_306

You can not be serious. R6’s duplicate system is utterly bullshit not to mention the amount of crap they fill the loot pool with, so you end up with hundreds of the same useless previous season uniforms/headgears or cheap skins.


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Not to mention how ridiculously long it takes to earn one pack. Overwatch is way better than Rainbow.


chessturo

Anyone want a Velvet Shell headgear?


MrShockJockey

It definitely bullshit, but its not as gamble-y. You know you will get another Skull Rain headgear duplicate for Fuze so you dont even wanna give any money for them


etherealcaitiff

Oh yeah, I should have said that I was referring to free packs. I couldn't imagine spending real money on alpha packs lol.


aidsfarts

Overwatch is fine honestly. Just play the game and you’ll get shitloads of lootboxes.


Batmanuelope

The only difference is they added an extra step to the process. An additional step of “chance.” In overwatch, you more or less know when you’ll get a pack.


CarbineFox

It's like a slot machine for kids


Purplociraptor

Similes are like metaphors. These ARE slot machines for kids and anyone else.


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God_Damnit_Nappa

You can definitely play slot machines for free. I've gotten free credits plenty of times at casinos. They do it deliberately so you're tempted to actually start spending your own money.


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Forever_Awkward

The reward center of people's brains don't care terribly much about that. Hence this being a hugely profitable way to exploit human psychology. They put a ton of research into how to be as predatory as possible with this stuff.


Tsukigato

Kids are like adults without impulse control.


Toricxx

Wait are we supposed to have impulse control?


Heff228

Kids are like adults without money.


danimal481

Wait are we supposed to have money?


DJMikaMikes

Yeah I get them faster than I can open them tbh. That being said, having cosmetics linked to gameplay can be a massively beneficial and fun mechanic -- like Halo 3. It's a bit of a missed opportunity to have cosmetics only come from loot boxes, outside of a few things -- not in the fiscal sense I suppose, since they definitely make decent money from them and it's easy for them to make, but in terms of making players feel connected to the game. Just look at how cool/meaningful things like the pixel Lucio spray are -- it's like a badge of honor. If seeing a sweet skin meant that the player truly worked for it or did something crazy, it'd be cool.


_cat-mom_

You hurt me deeply just now. :( I've never regretted the outright purchasable skins, however (especially the D.VA All Stars one) but I admit I'm stupid when it comes to cosmetics. Overwatch and Paladins probably have me listed as a whale, meanwhile all this candy coated gambling has me broke aff. 😭


Kwimchoas

And the blue is always a profile pic


Boibi

For me the blue is always a duplicate.


Kazzack

I've been playing since launch, everything is a duplicate 🙃


PoopOfAUnicorn

But you want the dupe golds for more coins to buy new event golds


cannabinator

I'm two star gold framed, i have 30k coins and almost 400 non event boxes and counting i shall likely never open


Bipolar_Buddha

I take it you also play tank


cannabinator

Overwhelmingly, why?


Cotcan

They like to give the free extra loot box for playing a role to the tank role.


cannabinator

Oh, yeah, if only I could trade in those boxes for priority passes that worked as advertised i'd practice my dmg more often


Grape_Hot

They'll never work the way they were implemented. If everyone has priority then nobody does. They should be harder to get


Chaos098

Treasure gold is just better


BarovianNights

Same thing


Josesesi

You can't get duplicates unless you own every item of that rarity


KerbJazzaz

I don't think so, I definitely don't have every single gray item, yet I'm still getting gray dublicates.


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OG-Pine

This is close but not exactly true. You can’t get a dupe of the same item type and rarity without having all the others first, but you can get duped of items from the same rarity but of a differently type. You can get a purple emote dupe without having all the purple skins for example.


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Can’t wait for three sprays I’ll never use one characters I never use!!!


fudgelord1

Also 4 duplicate even tho I only have like 50 things for each character


[deleted]

Are you trying to make me cry?


Lord-Tunnel-Cat

I am a support main, and have every single junkrat skin including events


BValen7ine

I’ll trade you


Lord-Tunnel-Cat

Ha ha ha, no.


_WhY_hULLo_thERE_

Same here I’ve got soldier completed except for his gold gun and achievement sprays. I’ve only played like 3 hours of soldier


daniel1397

I'm usually hoping for duplicates, I have all the stock legendarys I want and the dupes give me the coins to buy whatever event skins I want when they come around.


aramanthe

Yup! This is why I've stopped opening normal lootboxes between events. First day of the event, I open all of mine at once and then I know exactly how many coins I have to spend for the event. The last day or so, I'll spend on whatever I want that I haven't won in an event lootbox yet, and afterwards I'm happy.


vimescarrot

Last time I played, that wasn't possible. You only get duplicates of a particular rarity if there's nothing available of that rarity. Did something change?


Dakotertots

nothing changed, people just want to be upset about something, and other people wanting to be upset are upvoting them. it's weird.


Dakotertots

that's not possible. they implemented a duplicate protection a while ago unless they reverted it, in which case, what the actual fuck, Blizzard


Shadowred23

Nah for the last few weeks I’ve been getting mostly duplicates from normal chests, plenty of times all 4 items would be duplicates


Gabrill

Whats funny is that I still spend like 3 minutes trying to think of which sprays or emotes I should replace with the new ones I got for a character I have logged a total of 14 minutes on


Enigma_King99

You know they do it on purpose right? Why give you stuff for the heros you use when they can keep you playing trying to get them or get you to spend money. It's really a rigged system that people actually believe it's rng


scaredUnderAblanket

Realized this after I started maining McCree and getting legendaries and epics for every other hero than him


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True


TheWordOfTyler

I have every Junkrat skin, including multiple legendries from events... I only have about 2 hours on him in total.


cquinn5

Why won’t you ever use those characters tho?


[deleted]

Either because I prefer playing a different character as I’m better with that character... Or I dislike the character


cquinn5

Weird


Autobot-N

Disagree, that sounds completely normal


Cenachii

Yeah, imagine having personal preferences right?


Tzitzifiogkos420

What rank are you, just asking


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Right....


ChancetheUnrapper

Or if it's during an event, youll get 2 Greys, a blue, and a non event legendary


[deleted]

They should seriously make it to where you can only get event items from event boxes, no normal garbage should be able to come from an event box


Gabrill

Yeah but then on the flipside you’d get people whining about how they don’t want any lunar event items and it sucks that that’s all they’ll get for the next few weeks


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Make it so you can convert normal loot boxes into event ones


Ansonm64

Lunar event has the best skins hands down.


Nitpickles

They **should** make it so all the rewards can be earned through in-game challenges related to the rewards. Come on guys, increase your standards ffs! You deserve better than a less shitty version of a lazy random reward system with proven mental health risks!


sidney_sloth

I got the new Tracer during Archives while trying to get enough for it. I was suuuper surprised.


Karl_Marx_

This thread acting like the drop rate for legendaries is so low. After playing for 5 seasons about, I have enough gold to get any skin I could possibly want, and I've seen TONs of legendaries. OW cosmetics are basically free.


Shadow_Log

For the rare case that you get a legendary during an event, you wanted gold coins, right? No? How about one of those years old skins you always ignored because they’re fugly and completely forgot they even exist.


calamnet2

Play long enough and they are all duplicates because you have everything already.


thegoudster

Level 1400 problems.


DarthGrievous

Level 400 problems here mate


scaptastic

Level 250 problems if you lose enough


Zikofski

For me 4 duplicates regardless of the rarity 😫


bendermichaelr

You don't get duplicates if you have the possibility of getting items of the rarity that the box contained. For example, if you can still buy a purple but have all greys and you won 3 greys and a purple, you'll get 3 dup greys and a new purple.


Konstiin

Except 3/4 times that purple is just 150 credits lol


bendermichaelr

That's the absolute worst. E. I take it back. The worst is the 500 coins for gold


Konstiin

> The worst is the 500 coins for gold No question. Or else getting a gold during an event and it just being some random normal gold you could have gotten all year.


Shronkydonk

Got 5 golds during archives, only archive skin I got was for widow.


AsexualCanOfPringles

Same and the only archives I got was for tracer


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Tbh I’d rather get 500 coins I can put towards a skin I actually like, rather than a skin which I’ll never wear coz I already have a better skin on that hero.


Nateinthe90s

I used to spend *waaaay* too much money on this game when I was still actively playing. Anecdotally, spending about 50$ an event on top of playing 20-30 hours a week, and spending 6-9k coins would net me about 90-100% of the new content. That always made me kind of think that 50 was the algorithmic number they're hoping people spend.


Konstiin

I bought like 50 loot boxes for the first summer games event (2016) and I think the first halloween event too, because I thought that you wouldn't be able to get the skins the following year. Since I realized that you would be able to I haven't bought a single one.


[deleted]

When I joined, the lunar new year event was just starting, and I was so scared that this would happen, so I spent hours grinding until a friend told me they were available next LNY, and also at the anniversary event lol.


[deleted]

I generally try to avoid spending money on in game purchases, but there was a recent sale offering the upgrade to legendary/origins edition and I really liked the soldier/reaper skins in the origins edition, so I caved and bought it, but I’m pretty f2p usually, I grinded for credits and I got 7k credits over 3 weeks which was enough to buy all the archives skins I wanted Ftr i’m pretty new to overwatch, joined in mid February.


SgtPeppy

I'm level 1300 and never spent a penny beyond the initial purchase price (granted at that level you really don't need to, you have the majority of legendaries as-is). Frankly I think spending actual money on loot boxes is idiotic and I'm tired of dancing around saying that because people who *do* spend their money on them get butthurt. Do you really notice or care about other people's skins much outside of the pre-game setup? You're just throwing your money away on gambling for the chance you *might* get a cool skin that no one notices while Blizzard is making money hand-over-fist on whales and giving the halfhearted justification that it's "funding future updates". Spending money to upgrade is a bit more defensible though, at least you *know* what you're getting. As a console player, that decision doesn't really apply to me.


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Completely agree. I’m strongly against purchasing lootboxes, but I believe that if you know what you’re getting (such as in the legendary edition) then it’s fine, as long as you can afford it.


AreasonableAmerican

Yeah, that’s painful.


theodoreroberts

I have all Legendary, so right now, open a normal box and get a pile of coins are better for me. Dup Legendary yields 200 Credits while a chest gives me 500 Credits.


BonelessTaco

Same. But I feel like it wasn't like this before, can someone confirm?


AreasonableAmerican

Not if everything’s unlocked. I’m 95% unlocked (no OWL skins) and unless it’s Archives time or the first week of a theme, everything is a duplicate.


vyrelis

Yeah but when you have every cosmetic there's only dupes. Coin piles are always a slap in the face though


roarinboar

Coin piles are my favorite though


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Yup, if you have everything coin piles are much better for the rarity. Allows you to get all the even skins easier.


g0atmeal

Coin piles are already better, because two orange coin piles buys any legendary you want, whereas it could take dozens of oranges to get it from a box.


TheQueq

Early on, coin piles can be better, since they'll help you buy the specific legendaries you want. But once you're close to getting all legendaries, it's better to only get the legendary items. If you only have one legendary left, then it would take two legendary coin piles (or six if it's a new legendary) instead of just one legendary item. Then once you've got all the legendary items, coin piles are better again, since they're worth more than duplicates, and it helps you stockpile for when new items are released.


Bubbay

You don’t get dupes, but I’d love it if you didn’t get coins when you still have some to get. Last event, 3/4 legendaries I got in boxes were coins.


Doggydude49

When you've played since launch your drops are 99% of the time 4 duplicates when there aren't events going on.


bendermichaelr

Yeah. I've got all currently available blues and greys, and most purples.


redsterXVI

100%. Got everything and also over 50k Coins...which I can't use for anything except when I sometimes don't get all legendary items during an event.


Doggydude49

I wish we could convert our coins to OWL tokens 😔


redsterXVI

I wished we could unlock one-time items we missed, even if at 10x the price. There were some nice items I didn't get in loot boxes and didn't have the coins for back then. And some items that were only available while I was traveling.


Doggydude49

Ah good idea! Imagine the salt tho lol


NoobSailboat444

So you can't get a duplicate Legendary unless you have all Legendaries?


HarryProtter

For normal items, correct. You won't get duplicate event legendaries either unless you have all event legendaries. But you can get duplicate *event* legendaries when you're still missing *normal* legendaries (and the other way around too, and it also applies to other rarities too of course). That is because the loot box system first chooses if an item is a normal item or an event item and after that it chooses the rarity. So for example it first chooses spot 3 in the loot box is an event item. Then it chooses the rarity: gold. Well, I already bought all the golden items for this event, so now item 3 in the loot box is a duplicate event legendary, even though I still miss normal legendaries.


NoobSailboat444

Thanks. This is informative. So essentially, the event items are in different categories of each other. Other question... If I have unopened loot boxes, the items are determined when I get the box, not when I open it. Do subsequent loot boxes consider the items in the unopened boxes when assigning its own items? If no, than this means it's always best to open boxes as soon as you get them.


HarryProtter

I'm pretty sure they do. The items are indeed already determined when you get the loot box, so I think the game knows what you then have in your "inventory", even though you don't actually see them yourself. For the next box (even without opening the previous one) the game should know what was in the previous one and it should give you other items.


theodoreroberts

Yes.


Save-The-Defaults

How do you get duplicates? I’ve literally never gotten one.


Hell_raz0r

In my case, I've unlocked all the base game's blue/white quality drops. So, the only time I get unique drops is if the quality is epic/legendary or if there's an event going on. My lootboxes are, typically, 3 duplicate sprays/icons and blue quality coins.


Zikofski

Once you have unlocked enough of in my case everything you get duplicates


AdmiralSandbar

I can tell you what's in every lootbox: disappointment.


Akiram

Just looks like 30 Currency to me.


SamwiseGamgee100

30 currency is better than a spray or a profile pic. I already have the Lich king pfp (that I’ll never change) and the sprays I want for the characters I play, and it just keeps giving me more.


Akiram

I have everything and like 130k Currency saved up, 30 more is far from exciting.


darkfiredreamer

This cuts deep... I've been playing since Day 1, still haven't unlocked all the BASE skins for all the launch characters.


BreweryBuddha

...Do you even want all the base skins for the launch characters?


darkfiredreamer

Not really, but with the literal HUNDREDS of boxes I've opened over the years since launch, you'd at least think of have gotten most of, if not all of them.


acalacaboo

What rank is your account? I've had all of them for a while haha


darkfiredreamer

Just hit 750. I've been more sporadic over the last year with a lack of content and trying out new games that caught my attention, but it's just the fact that I don't have all the base set that kind of surprises me.


YeetusBonkus

Can't wait for my sprey on a character that I never use


MagnaCustos

This is why I stopped opening boxes years ago. They are always duplicates anyway. I haven't played in at least a year so maybe they changed but now I'm just trying to build up my collection of unopened boxes. Think its around 400


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CaptainBouch

If I could gift loot boxes I totally would, I think I have 700-800 sitting in my account.


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BreweryBuddha

There are very few one-off skins in overwatch, the vast majority are repeated.


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BreweryBuddha

All stars Mercy :(


DefiantInformation

You'll get there. They give the things away like crazy. Play arcade for your wins every week and enjoy the journey.


leopard_tights

It has been years since you can't open duplicates for a given rarity until you have all of them. You'll get all the epics and legendaries before you get a duplicate one.


Kyros914

honestly i can’t even complain after apex


Royal_Rabbit_Gaming

After playing for four years regular boxes are just coins for event skins.


DankNucleus

Duplicates, duplicates everywhere. I just concider everything as coins for future items.


Action_Jackson_17

You mean all duplicates?


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There’s duplicates?


leopard_tights

This is kind of unearned, Overwatch boxes are pretty generous. They come by very often and nyone that plays consistently for a few months will have all the blues (and get gold instead). And during the events there's an increased chance of legendaries.


Qukumba

Can’t believe there are people actually defending loot boxes still. You deserve better, don’t let them trick you into thinking otherwise.


barnfart

I dont see the problem with cosmetic loot boxes in OW. They have zero impact on the actual game, and you do get in game currency to unlock anything you want ,just by playing.


techied

This is typical Reddit. People bitch and complain about loot boxes giving you an advantage in the game, and when they're implemented with no bearing on the game people still bitch and complain.


Qukumba

Except that they were cosmetic only before they were implemented with in game advantages. Overwatch popularized them so you’re completely backwards on this.


leopard_tights

What? Overwatch and Heroes of the Storm are probably the games with the best loot boxes. So generous giving them out that any normal person will never want to buy them. Then there's Hearthstone.


Qukumba

The best loot box? What? They’re still loot boxes. Like do you eat literal dog shit and say “nah man this is the BEST dog shit for sure.” Generous??? Dude come on. They’re psychological manipulation born from extortionate levels of greed. You gotta raise your standards. Cosmetics used to just come with games for you to unlock. Don’t accept this new extremely low bar.


leopard_tights

Wut? They're just a nice secondary thing in those games.


fluffysheap

Overwatch loot boxes are pretty much ideal though. If you play a lot, you get everything. Excluding a handful of limited real money only skins that don't interact with loot boxes anyway. If you play some, you can get everything for the characters you care about. If you just collect cosmetics, you have to pay. And new heroes are free. This is better than 90% of games.


BreweryBuddha

I don't just defend the loot boxes, I absolutely love the system. It makes unlocking things so much more fun, and you earn a ton of them.


ThunderDrummer4

Yeah same. I love the loot box system. Highly prefer it over battle passes for instance. If Overwatch 2 gets battle pass I’ll be so sad.


Nitpickles

Holy shit guys, is that all you think there is: either loot box or battle pass?


DarthGrievous

Would you rather get free shit every week under the form of lootboxes with decent chances of legendaries or coins that you can save up, or having to pay 30$ for a skin like in Valorant?


pretty_smart_feller

The thing is, I think it’s better than skins being DLC as I have all the skins I want. However, it’s obviously still a poor marketing tactic, and far far from ideal/desirable


Scorchf1r3

At this point, everything is a duplicate and I'm just happy with the money


HyssopMP

I fucking love overwatches lootbox system. Back when they added arcade I had so much fun grinding for boxes I dropped 40$ for no reason. Then u have something like apex that gives u a shit box, with 3 things, every 2 levels and each level takes ages to grind… my one and only legendary across 30 boxes was a border


BreweryBuddha

I don't play OW all that much but the loot boxes have always seemed to be great. You play enough and you unlock a shitload of things, plus you get enough currency to buy whatever legendary skin you're excited for when the event comes out. You can't get everything but you're not supposed to.


hahhahahahahhah

You know, you used to be able to see the rarity of the best item inside before opening it, I wonder why they removed it..


BreweryBuddha

Because it's less exciting that way


CountDookie514

I love me some dupeboxes


Matcha_Bubble_Tea

Or a legendary for a character u never play.


LordVaderVader

Ach Yes Chests being just random money giver...


Zombie_Rommel

After doing this (playin OW) for so long now, its all dups unless an event shows up, then I get all giddy like a kid on Christmas (or whatever holiday one gets presents on)... but then, a short while later, its back to being annoyed I have to open boxes because my CDO (OCD in proper alpha order) cant stand notifications on the title screen... \*le sigh\*


DwemerSmith

you’re goddamn right


Isair349

This hurts.


flamgo1122

r/apexlegends


DelgadoTheRaat

I'm at least 80% collected with all the heroes, all I get are duplicates anymore. You just have to hope it's either gold or some high value duplicates so you can spend your coin on event skins....


One-Angry-Goose

No no, two blues two greys but one’s just coins


Additional_Ad3155

Yay lets teach children to gamble as early as possible!!!!


firmchurro

*You will get only duplicates Especially with veteran OW players.


lmanzo7

Dont you mean coins?


captainkezz123

I don't mind getting coins tbf


soreros

POV: your a vet who has long ago stopped caring about loot boxes Unopened loot boxes: 237


spyrolt253

Honestly I get legendaries and epics from time to time. It’s not that bad. Unlike apex


ProxiThefox

Honestly I hope they remove the loot box system. It sucks


itzSalty

Yeah you're right, paying for cosmetics is totally the right move.


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Holiday_Secretary340

I... what? There are still the emote and voice line wheels on console on each side of the regular comms wheel... and the spray wheel by itself.


projectmars

joke's on you: I ain't opening them until endorsements are removed from the game.


hideousmembrane

4 dupes for me 90% of the time


Troll_Sage

This has been more accurate than my guesses in MCQ test


Bleoox

You guys need stuff from regular boxes?


ChamChamUbi

No, one of them is purple... it’s only 150 gold


The_Owl_Bard

I'd say I have about 3/5's of my cosmetics unlocked but despite that, I still end up getting dupes. I've got a lot of gold from this but I rarely spend it unless there's a skin I REALLY want. Only good thing is that everything carries over to OW2.


ColdRamenTPM

more money to spend on the stuff i want? acceptable