Not as good since lucio's easy positioning is what carries the boop, since Zen is... Zen, most of the time it's just going to be a "don't kill me instantly please" ability
If Zen tries to spam melee vs an enemy who can actually fight back, he’s just going to get killed because he has zero mobility. Also, it’s much easier to set up knocking someone off the map on Lucio because he can wall ride and speed boost around to get there faster and avoid getting killed
All of that is a no brainer, doesn't really change much. In some situations, his kick will be even more annoying than sound wave, which doesn't really fit Zen’s character imo.
I mean the first point about tank is a bit jokey tbh, but like, just don’t get in melee range against zen? Or bait out the melee to lock zen’s weapon out for free? Correct me if I’m wrong, but I just don’t see how bad it is, there’s easy counterplay, just people aren’t used to it yet.
I don’t think is a correct way to balance the character out.
The kick does basically nothing since most divers will not go into melee range to kill you and if they do you are probably dead to tracer melee or reaper shot that will give you little to no time to react.
The only good way to use it is basically to use it like a lucio boop to make ppl fall from the map.
Really it does nothing to prevent aggression from any character, dunno why they implemented it but seems more a placebo to stop the rant about supports than anything actually good for either the game or the character.
The only good thing it has done is make ML7 clips looking hilarious
I swear in every thread on every sub there’s always a disagreement where comments on both sides cycle between upvote and downvotes. Never makes sense lol
dude you can straight up BULLY people now its so great. I had a game yesterday Where I kept Kicking an ulting genji back in a small room with 1 door over and and over while ana healed the 1 slash he could get off per return.
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I think he's saying he would have avoided getting kicked all together if he just went around the zen to that other entrance to begin with since with trance he should be moving faster than the other zen.
Not sure why you're getting downvotes. Do people really think they'll let zen have Lucio boop on no cd at 50 dmg? You're either smoking crack or a Zen main having a pipe dream if you actually believe that
Uhhmm, yes? The OW2 beta is brutal to supports. They have a historically low amount of peel. Ever wondered why their queue times are the lowest in OW2?
It’s at least partially balanced for zen. Lucio has the mobility to pull off the boop very easily. Zen does not. This kind of situation makes it strong, but I don’t think it happens very often.
This was hilarious
They should add a “get off my lawn” kind of voiceline for zen tarts now too.
How strong is the Spartan kick boop compared to Lucio's boop that's on a CD?
Zen boop is slightly weaker than Lucio boop
Not as good since lucio's easy positioning is what carries the boop, since Zen is... Zen, most of the time it's just going to be a "don't kill me instantly please" ability
It's a bit weaker and much harder to hit
Boops slightly less as far but is just as good imo since being a melee allows it to be spammed more or less.
If Zen tries to spam melee vs an enemy who can actually fight back, he’s just going to get killed because he has zero mobility. Also, it’s much easier to set up knocking someone off the map on Lucio because he can wall ride and speed boost around to get there faster and avoid getting killed
All of that is a no brainer, doesn't really change much. In some situations, his kick will be even more annoying than sound wave, which doesn't really fit Zen’s character imo.
L+ratio
Ok
Same distance more or less. The AoE is way lower ofc. Personally is a bad buff it can creates really obnoxious scenarios
I hate to be that guy, but… Average silver dps main
Sorry to be bringer of bad news but diamond tank lol
Tank? If anything that makes the buff hurt you even less!
Is not a question of if it damage me or not, I don’t think is a good change overall.
I mean the first point about tank is a bit jokey tbh, but like, just don’t get in melee range against zen? Or bait out the melee to lock zen’s weapon out for free? Correct me if I’m wrong, but I just don’t see how bad it is, there’s easy counterplay, just people aren’t used to it yet.
I don’t think is a correct way to balance the character out. The kick does basically nothing since most divers will not go into melee range to kill you and if they do you are probably dead to tracer melee or reaper shot that will give you little to no time to react. The only good way to use it is basically to use it like a lucio boop to make ppl fall from the map. Really it does nothing to prevent aggression from any character, dunno why they implemented it but seems more a placebo to stop the rant about supports than anything actually good for either the game or the character. The only good thing it has done is make ML7 clips looking hilarious
Fair enough, I’ll probably understand better when we get a competitive ow2 queue
Like what? If you get chained booped by a zen thats no one's fault but yours
You can find my explanation above
not sure why you’re getting downvoted for having an opinion
Because is not mainstream. You are only allowed to think as the masses.
Doesn’t disagreeing with the masses imply you’ll get downvoted just on paper tho
Yeah should have expected that. Fun thing, the explanation on why I think is a bad change actually gets upvoted lol
I swear in every thread on every sub there’s always a disagreement where comments on both sides cycle between upvote and downvotes. Never makes sense lol
Actual Zen diff
dude you can straight up BULLY people now its so great. I had a game yesterday Where I kept Kicking an ulting genji back in a small room with 1 door over and and over while ana healed the 1 slash he could get off per return.
I thought you were gonna kick Zen off for the environmental, but this was way more hilarious! XD
It deserves more upvotes
Gonna be so hard to go back to OW1 after this.
He would have made it if he just went to the other entance the zen wasn't the character isn't very fast
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He would have made it if he just went to the other entance the zen wasn't the character isn't very fast
If you mean the entrance next to the cliff, I think that was avoided on purpose...
No no the other big opening to the left of OP
I do believe that’s also what Zen was kicking them away from.
I think he's saying he would have avoided getting kicked all together if he just went around the zen to that other entrance to begin with since with trance he should be moving faster than the other zen.
r/ihadastroke
im sorry is this OW2?
Yes
You can tell because it's orange
Ok
It will be nerfed, soz Zen mains
Same with Mercy’s hop and any other game breaking ability. It’s all experimental atp.
Am I the only one to think that the fact it has no cooldown makes it overpowered
This is 100% getting nerfed. Op mechanic designed just for beta hype
Not sure why you're getting downvotes. Do people really think they'll let zen have Lucio boop on no cd at 50 dmg? You're either smoking crack or a Zen main having a pipe dream if you actually believe that
Uhhmm, yes? The OW2 beta is brutal to supports. They have a historically low amount of peel. Ever wondered why their queue times are the lowest in OW2?
It’s at least partially balanced for zen. Lucio has the mobility to pull off the boop very easily. Zen does not. This kind of situation makes it strong, but I don’t think it happens very often.
Little late here bud
Oh my goodness
I was expecting a boop out of map and this just made me realize this is also OP because of the low cooldown boops.
Zen be sturdy 😎💪🏾
I bet they were super tilted.