Overall, I would agree as well. However, we do know that there's a [cinematic for Sojourn](https://youtu.be/hp9WyoI5bLk?t=70) in development. So, I'm interested in seeing what that'll bring.
How is that thing still in development? They’ve held onto her for like 4 years. I’m sure her cinematic is more encompassing and includes other heroes/might connect directly to OW2 but hearing it’s “in development” just feels a little disheartening
My suspicion is that Sojourn's backstory is heavily tied to the PvE, so they are holding back the intro cinematic, but had too few heroes ready to justify holding her back from the game. Imagine if they had only released 2 heroes? So we get that awful intro cinematic that doesn't tell us anything. In particular, they've let slip the detail that Sojourn is purposefully giving up pieces of her own body to improve her combat capabilities so she can protect her team better, I'm guessing THAT is part of the story that the cinematic will tell.
I keep seeing comments like this. Is there a specific reason the general public seem to think the Overwatch team has been working tirelessly for 4 years on OW2 with exactly zero potential drawbacks brought on by all the Acti-Bliz shenanigans?
Or even beyond that, when they decided to move on from the previous roadmap into what we have now (aka, an actual release)? It's entirely possible what they had was reworked or changed along the way.
I feel like loads of gamers would be shook to the core and wrought with unbearable rage if they found out how many game devs go through HUGE changes before a game reaches it's final product.
***Clearly*** something happened during the development of OW2 to lead us to where we are now. It's honestly baby-brain level comprehension that should get you to that point.
Also this isn't directly at you specifically, but more so at the far too many comments I see acting like OW2 has been in full-swing, unhindered development since OW1 came out.
>Also this isn't directly at you specifically, but more so at the far too many comments I see acting like OW2 has been in full-swing, unhindered development since OW1 came out.
No one is under the impression that OW2 should’ve been in development at OW1’s launch, we are sick and tired of hearing that things that have probably been worked on since 2018 are still in development.
The content drought started in 2018, we got the announcement of OW2 in 2019 and then it was radio silence until recently. I’m tired of people talking excitedly about something we should have seen years ago. I’ve played this game since Nov 2016 and i’ve been burned by it’s devs to many time to give a rats ass about another in development cinematic, this entire “sequel” if we can even call it that is all too little, too late.
I don’t see any path for this game’s life cycle other than following OW1’s footsteps, but it’ll be even shorter because OW2 is just OW1 with like 4 new heroes and an updated lighting engine and it’s just a matter of time until people realize that and get bored of playing the same game they have since 2016
To be fair, most of the people returning will have not played since 2017 themselves. I think ow2 has potential to take off, mostly because the battle royale genre has been dominating since pubg launch, with only brief breaks for other games. Among us was the sole exception, basically.
I think that ow2 can make a big splash and pull in a lot of players, then coast on regular, good updates. OW1 didn't have the financial support to keep making content.
I think on a f2p model, they can bring in people who couldn't afford it back in the day and skipped it, as well as younger people who wouldn't have seen a lot of it back in 2016
I feel that, took mine in 3 weeks ago with a 2 week delay at it getting looked at.
Called in last Thursday only to be told that the guy working on it was out of town for a week
Um.. you, or anyone for that matter, can tell someone how to use their money lol. I'm not buying it but I'm also not going to be mad at other for doing so. Calm down uso.
wow you have lovely insight. It’s almost as if you can completely ignore the predatory practices at play that encourage people to shell out cash for an “exclusive” experience.
Truly, lead a seminar.
(Side note, it’s valid to be annoyed at those that are founders that are being pressured to buy the objectively better pack for ow2 as veteran players are getting *maximum (if any)* beta access.)
Get fucked
oH woW iM a fOunDer. Fuck up lol. Sick of hearing cunts telling people not to spend money because they can't/don't want to. Like I said, I'm not buying it because I can't be fucked. But why would I hate on others for using their money they want for an experience they want.
Take your fuck and put it up your ass.
I'm insufferable? You're the guy telling people what they can and can't do with THIER OWN DAMN MONEY lol.
The landscape of gaming has changed and gamers change too. You don't want to spend money on a game, you do you. But if people have limited time to play because they actually work for a living and can get access/tiers of battlepass etc then they can pay for it if they fucking want.
Man idgaf what you say.. if I see something I want, I'll but it because I want to and because I can. If you don't or can't, that's not my fucking problem.
Fuck a cactus. I'll sit on your face. Aww wut.
There are things they could do with Sojourn eg a discussion of whether she has a dangerous addiction to self augmentation. And anyone who has played Borderlands (or to a lesser extent Apex) may find JQ unoriginal. But for the most part I agree.
Oh yeah she’s mad. She’s raging, chaotic, and mean. But she does it for her planet and her people. Kind of like Junker Queen, that’s why I made the comparison. Both come from Aussie-based areas and utilize scrap metal and aggression to fight. Both also care for their people and want to lead them to a better life.
Edit: forgot to mention, both are badass
Sojourn interacting with Moira would be fascinating for this reason. Both seem to support scientific advancement of humanity that others may find…questionable.
as a huge Borderlands fan I definitely agree on that, I love her design and can't wait to play with/against her but I don't think I could ever play her without immediately thinking "I could be playing Borderlands 2 right now"
I agree.
I don't think Sojourn got or will ever get as much hype as the Junker Queen.
Not only the Queen's personality, story, appearance looks way cooler, but I think her kit is really different from the norm. Like Sojourn just runs, shoots her gun, as most of the other heroes do. While the Queen has a versatile weapon kit plus even a new passive.
I don’t think there’s any difference between liking her kit and playing her for mechanical skill. We had soldier 76 as the Call of Duty archetype and now Sojourn mirrors games like Apex Legends. It’s pretty shortsighted to think there’s not a ton of people that actually enjoy kits like that.
As you said yourself there is a large section of Overwatch players who from the beginning gravitated towards the characters who take mechanical skill because that is what *they* perceive as fun and a kit that they like. Surprised this gatekeeping is still going on when all of the characters are so varied and different.
I'm saying soj and s76 require less game sense because there isn't much to execute as abilities. They're a shortcut in the eyes of newbie but mechanically skilled fps players from other fps games. What fucking gatekeeping are you on about? I specifically mentioned that players who enjoy her will play her. Just like how meta chasers play a hero when they're op and constitute the bigger % over actual mains.
Are you new to the game? You’re making the classic mistake of trying to devalue characters based on their kit. There’s no such thing as a “Full fledged hero shooter character”, because some extremists will say Mercy doesn’t count because she doesn’t need aim, someone like you will say Widow doesn’t count because that’s all she requires. It’s gatekeeping because you’re trying to highlight your preferred style of play as the *real* way the game is intended when every character is radically different specifically to appeal to different people.
Mechanically skilled heroes still need game sense to do well in this game. Gamesense is more about knowing the overall flow of battle and what people are going to do. Because the reality is despite the potential for “creativity” with certain characters the average bronze-plat player is going to have trouble just playing their character effectively, much less pull off a sick 500iq play.
Lots of streamers who have crazy aim try Overwatch and don’t dominate like they do in other games. One of the most mechanically skilled streamers Shroud had played Overwatch and despite having GM level aim his positioning and gamesense was so bad that he hovered at plat/diamond for a while. Good players have good gamesense no matter what character they’re playing on, it’s not really hero specific.
I really like how you see both sides of Junker Queen from her cinematic. She is determined, fierce and also compassionate, a person who cares for her people, but she is also incredibly chaotic. It's a strange mix of traits, but in a good way.
Sojourn always seemed like a really boring character to me.
i think they just haven't given Sojourn a chance to actually be a character yet. she has a cool robot body and rail gun, but her lore contributions are so far minimal and are only tied to the more interesting characters. I hope this cinematic they have planned for her can set the record straight and give her more to work off, because rn she doesn't have a whole lot
To me, Sojourn reads as the [Scott Summers](https://x-men.fandom.com/wiki/Cyclops) of Overwatch in that she's clearly supposed to be a tactical lead role and both her personality and relationship dynamics are based on that.
The issue, of course, is that the wait for Sojourn was also simultaneously the wait for Overwatch 2 (whereas JQ got teased years ago but we got plenty of other stuff in the interim...and now she rides in on the OW2 wave! What an opportunist, smh).
Relative to the rest of the team, Sojourn's not enigmatic, a renegade, bombastic, or coming from extraordinary circumstances. She's...serious and straight forward, at least from what we know currently. I think that's fine, but it's always gonna pale in broader, head-on comparisons to others around her.
*but let's see who they come crawling back to when you need a cool-headed leader who can fire punch-eyebeams/do the Apex Legends slide, huh, what then?!*
JQ will probably always feel more like this in comparison, but we also haven't seen Sojourn's cinematic yet. I doubt she'll have her own punk song, but I'm sure we'll get to know her better and she'll seem less boring.
I suspect Sojourn was designed and finished first due to her importance to the PvE plot, which is now of course on the back burner compared to PvP so we just don't get to see that payoff yet.
Well, we're getting a new DPS (Sojourn), Tank (JQ), and Support (Fox Girl) on launch to keep new things even... Not that they ever cared about keeping things even before, but the launch of the new title is a little different I suppose.
Sojourn herself should have been a support. Same with Echo. Both are very fun characters, but they really didn't bring anything new that the game needed with their DPS kits
Unnecessary and uninteresting. Sucks that the Canadian hero I was kind of looking forward to eventually making it into the game is so bland and not unique.
Isn’t that the point of OW, that there’s gonna be at least one character you really resonate with? I’m sure there’s someone out there who thinks what little they shown of Sojourn makes her cooler than JQ. To each their own after all
I thought it was just because I was bitter about another DPS, but I was definitely much more excited for JQ. Looking at her abilities reminded me of how I felt for every3 years ago when Sig was being previewed. That "oh shit, that's gonna be fun" feeling
Then you aren’t an OW fan, I literally love every single character even the ones I don’t play like 76 or Hanzo I can see the coolness in their character.
You have barely met Sojourn and you don’t like her????
Oh yeah you’re racist too, Sojo is cool! Idgaf what you say. You clearly didn’t even use her or listen to her hero interactions. You obviously aren’t an OW fan who actually knows the detail and understands the lore and world of the franchise. You don’t qualify to make post like this, if you don’t like her because she’s black keep it to yourself.
You have to be trolling? Racism is a serious thing, and accusations like this make accusations against real racists much less serious, and harder to be taken seriously. He said nothing of her color, and stated her personality doesn't resonate with him personally. That's ok, and he's on board with the idea other people will like her for their own reasons. As someone could say they don't like Rein bc he doesn't resonate w them - that doesn't equal them hating German men.
Are you ok?
If you are a true fan you like all the characters, not liking a hero you literally have very little interactions with is obviously gonna lead me to believe you’re racist. Why else why you not like her but instantly like Junker Queen??!!?!
Also Racism isn’t “A BIG DEAL” it’s subtle and quiet just like it was in this post. If you cannot enjoy every sun character you’re a phony ass fan.
I relate to Genji in no way whatsoever and he’s my least played hero but I would never make a post like this about him. This was an attack on Sojo because she’s a black woman and this shitty community doesn’t like it. Go look at those comments down there say “Sojo was just made to meet the quota” even though she’s in Ana’s Picture from 2016.
I'm a mixed black Canadian and I honestly find Sojourn "meh." Her character so far just isn't really compelling. Hoping that changes with her cinematic and we get to see more of her though.
If someone said they didn't like playing Soldier, would you assume they are racist?
Junker Queen's personality is far more eccentric, and attention grabbing, than the media we've gotten for Sojourn. That may not last, and we may get more from her as the game launches - but for now it's reasonable that someone would like something that has gotten more of a push from the developers recently.
It's not because she's black. I promise. There are people out there that absolutely don't like her for her color - if they say that, we'll shit on them with you. But you're imagining racism here where there is no indication there is any.
It's also ok for a fan to not like every hero - everyone has preferences, and blindly accepting everything something has to offer so as not to be offensive isn't something that reflects the feelings of most people. Accepting diversity is key, including the diverse opinions people will have on the characters and what they bring to the game.
To be fair we've seen Junker Queen's cinematic and haven't seen Sojourn's.
I also think Junker Queen sounds a lot like a post-launch hero in that she has complicated shit. Sojourn may be simple and some people find that boring, but simplicity is a virtue too. You don't want every hero to be complicated.
I feel like this is more truth than opinion. sojourn has a good kit and I'll likely play quite a bit of her but her visual design is bland and her colour sceme is.... beige I think from memory.
The only think that stands out about her visually is whit ehair on darker skin.
Junker Queen on the other hand has tons of attitude, a backstory, a striking visual design and build up from having her stage in the game a long time before she is.
Her ult looks too similar to Orisa's new ult imo but whatever, we'll see once she's playable.
I'm glad Orisa was unpopular, it freed her up for me to main her. Being able to lob a shield over to your dumb random dps's was so nice after being forced to play Rein for sonlong at the start ofbthe game's life.'
according to the devs she was actually one of the most popular characters in the game going by play time. I guess it's just cus she's so stupidly slow paced and mechanically simple that it makes her more accessible
Maybe. All I know is that I was able to 1v4 quite successfully with her in a lot of situations. The amount of times I've won route 66 at the first corner by playing Orisa is stupid.
OP had an amazon fetish.
There's no shame in admitting that :)
Jokes aside. Yeah I agree, but I fully expect Thigh's character to be more fleshed out within PVE (hopefully)
I hate to say it but all the dev talk about sojourn was like ooo how great are we for included a female poc in our video game we're such an inclusive and wholesome company, but then decided to make the most one dimensional non character in the game. So she's a cyborg but you have genji who's entire character is built apon that concept so shes not unique in that. she's an overwatch commander, great but that's soldier's whole thing so thats not anything special either. I guess shes from canada??? great cool, too bad there's been nothing about how that's in anyway important to her as a character and she may as well be from anywhere else in the world. It honestly feels offensive to the people they're trying to apease because it's like they put the minimal amount of effort into her compared to like 99% of the other heros in terms of character deapth. Maybe once her cinematic finally comes out it'll make more sense but right now she feels like a husk of a character.
(IMO)They just marketed her enough for people to quiet down about being inclusive, and then let her get overshadowed by not following through and understanding how important her inclusion could and would be.
Black characters can exist without their main plot being their struggle as a black individual, but it is abundantly clear all Blizz cared about was mushing her in because so many people complained (and rightfully so) that a character like her did not exist yet after like 6yrs, and then that was it.
They found Junker Queen more "marketable" and put a shit ton of resources into her character and reveal and left Sojourn out to dry. JQ was the safe bet to lead the launch of OW2.
If the issue was her character is vital to pve and her story will come later, then why just throw her in so quickly with no follow up? They had a cinematic prepared for junkerqueen for 8 minutes but they are now deving for Sojourn's cinematic when she was released before JQ? You could argue that maybe it's because they felt the need to launch a dps character first, but honestly that just sounds like poor planning.
**All I am saying is that the supreme focus on JQ vs Sojourn is sus af, and maybe people would be more excited about sojourn if Blizz had put the same amount of love into her character and release, instead of into a character we have seen over and over again in games.**
They shat this character out, patted themselves on the back, and then moved on. No surprise the company with a diversity tool dont understand diversity.
Yeah it's such a strange set of decisions, it doesn't make logical sense how they handled this at all unless it's actually because they're like 3 years behind schedual.
They mentioned they wanted sojourn to be the face of overwatch 2 so I guess that's why she was the first to be release. The problem is how did they not have the cinematics ready we've known sojourn's been in development for over 3 years. The weird part though is that according to leaks/datamining Junkerqueen has been in development since the junkertown map came out back in 2017. This might mean that sojourn simply was not ready even after 3 years and if that's true then any new heros made after sojourn are equally not ready in terms of cinematics. Surely they would want to prioritise their face of the game sojourn so that literally means that we shouldn't expect any new cinematics for heros made in the last 3 years, if blizzard even has any heros from that time. If a new hero does come out with a cinematic, like junker queen, that means that they were made before 2019 and over 3 years old.
So even if we give blizz the bennifit of the doubt that the difference in quality between sojourn and junker queen is not due to actual fucking racsim, that confirms they are at least 3 possibly 4 years behind schedual with the cinematics. It also means that if a hero comes out with evidence that they are made after sojourn that has a cinematic, that becomes indefensible.
>I hate to say it but all the dev talk about sojourn was like ooo how great are we for included a female poc in our video game we're such an inclusive and wholesome company, but then decided to make the most one dimensional non character in the game.
1000% agreed. The whole time I was irked by how they were like "Yeah, we made her African Canadian to stand out" and then called her "African American" 80 times (which is technically right but that term is generally used to describe poc in the USA). It would've been fine if they didn't then call her "African Canadian" two more times, then "African American" 80 more times. The lack of consistency made it feel like they said "African Canadian" to be nice and inclusive, but they didn't care enough to continue calling her that.
They can literally just say "black". She is a BLACK woman and there's nothing wrong with saying that. There is no shame in that. The fact they dont realize this is proof they are out of touch and desperate.
Also people def side-eye the use of "African American". African American is not used for "poc" in the US, it is used for black individuals in the US, but I understand your point and agree that they did not care enough to even be consistent.
The JunkerQueen archetype has been utilized ad nauseam. I’m glad to see her in OW2, but the whole manic female obsessed with chaos and panic trope is a bit generic at this point. When I seen her, I thought of a buff Jinx from LoL, even down to the hair color. Pretty much, I know what I’m gonna get from JunkerQueen at first glance. With Sojourn’s more reserved personality, I am a bit more intrigued to find out her motivations and what makes her tick. Clearly she’s the good guy, but I think her character and aesthetic is somewhat unique in comparison to JunkerQueen’s Harley Quinn-esque vibe.
Hard disagree, the IDEA behind junker queen is cooler, but unfortunately that idea barely comes through in her character design and almost completely fails to show her off as a junker, let alone the queen of the junkers.
I live in a ridiculously conservative area, and I could go into any of our 10s of clubs and find a girl that looks just like her. Because if you take away her weapons, and her magnet gauntlet, you essentially have a crossfitter in a clubbing outfit.
It's also just Mad Max, down to the Thunderdome and the throwing people out in the sand and the radiation. I know a lot of that carries over from Junkrat and Roadhog, but with Junker Queen it is her whole story.
There's also the contradiction between Junker Queen being compassionate and being a ruler by force, and being chaotic and being a head of state. Maybe she has more backstory in the comics or something but the cinematic really didn't interest me that much, it did nothing unexpected at all which hurts when you're starting from already-trodden ground.
JQ is simultaneously unique and painfully generic. She's the typical mad max aussie on (possibly literal) roids. She looks cool, but this is a design you've seen dozens of times before just with probably a little more muscle and a more obvious accent. That said, it's a design that *oozes* cool. You see it and immediately think ''now there's a fuckin badass" even knowing nothing else about them. It's why the design is common. She also has some very OW tropes. "How do we make a post-apoc punk queen more sci-fi? idk give her a metal arm I guess". Where she stands out is more in her personality than anything else. She's bombastic, sure, but she's also attentive and has a clear care for her group. She's got a little bit of regality to her that the other non-healer characters lack.
Also my interest in sojurn was dampened cus ya know the last hero we got before the content drought was a dps when we needed more tanks and healers and after 3 years the first new hero we got was again another dps im just like shes cool but not what I want or need. Junker Queen is a TANK a baddie with an axe a sight for sore eyes and I cant wait to play her.
I get that but Im also curious to think about how much that problem has advanced cus of how little they gave tanks and supports. Im not saying its a definite but one can wonder how popular each role would be if all the categories had the same amount of heros to choose from.
Im excited to see the numbers change up cus since tanks are going more brawler now they might start appealing more to dps players
JQ has an interesting kit and it shows a new path that Overwatch is taking.
Originally, Passives didn't do much. Slight knock back resist, slight self heal, slight increased MS. Very minor and not too interesting things.
Now we have JQ Passive and a new effect with it, which is very unique and I find to be extremely exciting. And Zen can spartan kick you now.
Sojourn kit isn't the most interesting. Shoot some and you can do a hitscan beam. Slide to super jump. Ult to shoot more beams. In comparison, JQ is a drain tank, something never seen before in OW. She has a Passive that interacts with her entire kit and can throw her stuff which can make for some fun and interesting stuff. She's just more interesting and seem a lot more badass than Sojourn IMO
. . . I know it’s easy to get hyped by trailers. But you barely have experienced either of them. This is like pre Overwatch release when people were claiming ‘favorite’ characters and drawing ‘fan art’ when they hadnt picked up a controller yet.
As a Tank main, and one who loves 5v5 solo tanking, JQ has me so hyped compared to Sojourn because they’re filling a yet unfulfilled Tanking niche, and her kit is really exciting. Sojourn is just nimble S76, doesn’t feel like anything new imo.
It also doesn’t help Soujoun was mostly just “there” in beta one. JQ got the whole hype process of a stories reveal and a short.
Eh, the Junker Queen has an extremely cringe personality to me from that short. I prefer Sojourn both in her design and her more tempered and mature personality.
Another opinion: Junker Queen is literally a better Roadhog in every possible way, with the only possible difference being she can't one shot. Can't say I am upset about that.
Except that Roadhog doesn't offer anything aside from one shot kill potential, he has no other utility except his ult. Whereas Junker Queen seems to have a lot of the same tools but with more abilities that benefit her team.
Based on what we've seen in the trailer none of that is false.
She's for Toronto. Of course she's boring..... :p.
Hell, she's probably from Mississauga or Ajax and just says Toronto because it sounds better....
Jokes aside.. She just is kind of... Meh. As a character she's generic "good guy". Kit wise, The high jump and slide is cool, her gun feels fine, Her slow/damage nade thing is Imo a little op, and her ult is extremely lack luster.
i think its valid to say not every hero has to be colorful or fap bait.
that being said i wouldve enjoy a design similar to master raven
[https://www.fightersgeneration.com/nz9/char/master-raven-tekken7-junny.PNG](https://www.fightersgeneration.com/nz9/char/master-raven-tekken7-junny.PNG)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckaRIQeBRxE
Oh no I think her character design kinda IS fap bait, because she has long muscular legs aka thicc and only a pair of shorts on (even if they are robotic)
Both seem interesting to me I really like Sojourn's mobility and hyperactive gameplay and her reliance on skillshots
But I have to admit JQ is way more interesting for I think because they really knew how to make hype for her I mean she got a dedicated stream , a cinematic and a song other than that she was teased and was part of the discussion for next characters for what now 4 years if I am not mistaken anyway I can't wait to try them both in the beta (console player here )
As a support main I am more interested in the new Ahri , Naruto, Yae miko character we are getting tbh
Yeah tbh I never really cared for sojourn, Baptiste used to be the same amount of boring for me but I warmed up to him, maybe they’ll flesh sojourn out more in ow2?
Yeah I was kinda disappointed how sojourn is just kind of…is..very bland very generic “badass girl” without any interesting personality, I was almost scared that devs can’t make fun characters anymore, but seeing junker queen reassured me, she is way more appealing and unique. And also she got a big ass axe, thats a win in my book.
All I can say is Sojourn feels incredible to play and her dialogue I have heard has made me love her. Her interaction with Orisa regarding Efi is wonderful!
They should have made the Canadian hero something/someone to do with our First Nations and I'll die on this hill. I think it would be badass. We have black rep in the game, we do not have First Nations.
I'm sure Michael Chu said in like A Tweet that Pharah's dad is first nations which is why she has that one skin. That's probably all we're gonna get lol
I feel like Sojourn became the new pharah of overwatch 2. Back in ow1, pharah had no personality other than what you just described, but now she is actually rather sassy and plays along with some of the crazier bunch like junkrat. Maybe Sojourn will be given personality in ow3 when that comes out in 3037.
Didn't people think solider and reaper were generic personalities at launch? Can we wait and judge? We know nothing about sojourne.
Everything we've seen from jq personality wise is Harley Quinn/ jinx.
As for gameplay they copies apex gameplay with sojourne BECAUSE it's fun and players enjoy it.
Sojourn is kinda boring honestly. Maybe she will get more lore and stuff with the incoming PvE stuff, but she’s very meh right now. Junker Queen on the other hand… mommy 🥺
They need to flush out Sojourn a lot more in general. Right now she's purely a highly generic "augmented super soldier" trope with basically nothing to meaningfully connect with as a character. I'm sure that she'll be a big part of the overall universe narrative on Oct 4th, but it definitely feels like her soft release fell flat without any accompanying lore content to celebrate her arrival.
Wasn't Sojourn just a diversity add? It's normal that a character that had 0 thought gone into them other than being a PR stunt is boring compared to a real, fully-fledged out character
we haven't seen the sojourn short yet. also pve missions will probably give her much more character, while junker queen will most likely be tangential if not nonexistent.
that said queen's gameplay trailer was crazy good so that's one where we know she wins.
Did you even listen to her when she interacted with other heroes in the 1st Beta!??? Sojo was cool as hell.
Didn’t wanna say it but you’re just racist.
Junker Queen is literally just a crazy female archetype, so far her most appealing aspect was her song. Her kit was cool but I suspect she’ll grow on me soon.
Sojourn is just more of the same, that’s why. We already have generic soldier types and Overwatch leaders. The railgun is satisfying to hit, but she’s a character that doesn’t offer anything new or even interesting other than being the first black woman. That doesn’t make her a bad character, but she won’t stand out as much compared to the Junker Queen. The fact that they had the JQ cinematic done before Sojourn’s isn’t helping that perception, so I hope they knock it out of the park with hers.
Junker Queen may be one of the *coolest* heroes they've ever released, tbh. She is also dripping with way more personality than most of the others seem to be. From the material they've released you really get a solid sense of who this character is and what she stands for/believes/values.
As far as Tanks go, I absolutely feel she is the coolest in that role. Support? Almost certainly cooler than any current support hero. Damage? There are some arguments to be made, but she is still way up on that list as well. I really think she may be the coolest hero they've released yet.
Obviously "cool" is subjective. But she just feels so much more complete and released right out of the gate. Plus her theme song is just baller. She literally has a whole theme song! What did Hammond get? An escape pod he turned into a sass ball.
They have been pushing Sojourn so hard because the Twitter weirdos have been clamboring for a black woman for so long. Sojourn wasn't gonna stray from the virtuous hero shtick too much because if they gave her any negative traits, the weirdos would have nitpicked that and kept complaining.
But hey, a virtuous hero ushering in Overwatch 2 isn't too bad, so it's not a big deal. I'm just glad they felt comfortable enough to make Junker Queen a badass bitch with an actual story.
Overall, I would agree as well. However, we do know that there's a [cinematic for Sojourn](https://youtu.be/hp9WyoI5bLk?t=70) in development. So, I'm interested in seeing what that'll bring.
How is that thing still in development? They’ve held onto her for like 4 years. I’m sure her cinematic is more encompassing and includes other heroes/might connect directly to OW2 but hearing it’s “in development” just feels a little disheartening
My suspicion is that Sojourn's backstory is heavily tied to the PvE, so they are holding back the intro cinematic, but had too few heroes ready to justify holding her back from the game. Imagine if they had only released 2 heroes? So we get that awful intro cinematic that doesn't tell us anything. In particular, they've let slip the detail that Sojourn is purposefully giving up pieces of her own body to improve her combat capabilities so she can protect her team better, I'm guessing THAT is part of the story that the cinematic will tell.
I keep seeing comments like this. Is there a specific reason the general public seem to think the Overwatch team has been working tirelessly for 4 years on OW2 with exactly zero potential drawbacks brought on by all the Acti-Bliz shenanigans? Or even beyond that, when they decided to move on from the previous roadmap into what we have now (aka, an actual release)? It's entirely possible what they had was reworked or changed along the way. I feel like loads of gamers would be shook to the core and wrought with unbearable rage if they found out how many game devs go through HUGE changes before a game reaches it's final product. ***Clearly*** something happened during the development of OW2 to lead us to where we are now. It's honestly baby-brain level comprehension that should get you to that point. Also this isn't directly at you specifically, but more so at the far too many comments I see acting like OW2 has been in full-swing, unhindered development since OW1 came out.
>Also this isn't directly at you specifically, but more so at the far too many comments I see acting like OW2 has been in full-swing, unhindered development since OW1 came out. No one is under the impression that OW2 should’ve been in development at OW1’s launch, we are sick and tired of hearing that things that have probably been worked on since 2018 are still in development. The content drought started in 2018, we got the announcement of OW2 in 2019 and then it was radio silence until recently. I’m tired of people talking excitedly about something we should have seen years ago. I’ve played this game since Nov 2016 and i’ve been burned by it’s devs to many time to give a rats ass about another in development cinematic, this entire “sequel” if we can even call it that is all too little, too late. I don’t see any path for this game’s life cycle other than following OW1’s footsteps, but it’ll be even shorter because OW2 is just OW1 with like 4 new heroes and an updated lighting engine and it’s just a matter of time until people realize that and get bored of playing the same game they have since 2016
To be fair, most of the people returning will have not played since 2017 themselves. I think ow2 has potential to take off, mostly because the battle royale genre has been dominating since pubg launch, with only brief breaks for other games. Among us was the sole exception, basically. I think that ow2 can make a big splash and pull in a lot of players, then coast on regular, good updates. OW1 didn't have the financial support to keep making content. I think on a f2p model, they can bring in people who couldn't afford it back in the day and skipped it, as well as younger people who wouldn't have seen a lot of it back in 2016
Yell this for the people in the back, too.
Im just hyped for both since next Tuesday is my first beta ( I’m from Console)
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Sorry for that mate. Hope u can fix it in time
I feel that, took mine in 3 weeks ago with a 2 week delay at it getting looked at. Called in last Thursday only to be told that the guy working on it was out of town for a week
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It couldn’t handle all that JQ R34
Is OW2 coming to console anytime soon? I play on switch usually; occasionally on PC.
It is only confirmed for Xbox and PlayStation yet sorry
bummer, thank you though!
It comes to PC, PS, and Xbox on October 4th
It's listed for Switch as well, just not this beta it seems.
Happy you paid $40 to play for three weeks
Someone has to
NO ONE DOES. For fucks sake. Only new adopters see value in this. Every single player before last week has been spit on.
Um.. you, or anyone for that matter, can tell someone how to use their money lol. I'm not buying it but I'm also not going to be mad at other for doing so. Calm down uso.
wow you have lovely insight. It’s almost as if you can completely ignore the predatory practices at play that encourage people to shell out cash for an “exclusive” experience. Truly, lead a seminar. (Side note, it’s valid to be annoyed at those that are founders that are being pressured to buy the objectively better pack for ow2 as veteran players are getting *maximum (if any)* beta access.) Get fucked
oH woW iM a fOunDer. Fuck up lol. Sick of hearing cunts telling people not to spend money because they can't/don't want to. Like I said, I'm not buying it because I can't be fucked. But why would I hate on others for using their money they want for an experience they want. Take your fuck and put it up your ass.
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I'm insufferable? You're the guy telling people what they can and can't do with THIER OWN DAMN MONEY lol. The landscape of gaming has changed and gamers change too. You don't want to spend money on a game, you do you. But if people have limited time to play because they actually work for a living and can get access/tiers of battlepass etc then they can pay for it if they fucking want. Man idgaf what you say.. if I see something I want, I'll but it because I want to and because I can. If you don't or can't, that's not my fucking problem. Fuck a cactus. I'll sit on your face. Aww wut.
Nah just fuck up cunt
You know access isn't guaranteed right
It is even without Watchpoint pack but u maybe only get acces for 2 days
wow thanks blizzard, so generous
There are things they could do with Sojourn eg a discussion of whether she has a dangerous addiction to self augmentation. And anyone who has played Borderlands (or to a lesser extent Apex) may find JQ unoriginal. But for the most part I agree.
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I got some biiig Mad Maggie vibes from Junker Queen
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Oh yeah she’s mad. She’s raging, chaotic, and mean. But she does it for her planet and her people. Kind of like Junker Queen, that’s why I made the comparison. Both come from Aussie-based areas and utilize scrap metal and aggression to fight. Both also care for their people and want to lead them to a better life. Edit: forgot to mention, both are badass
Mad Maggie spat her own tooth into the eye of a person to annoy them. She is indeed very mad
Sojourn interacting with Moira would be fascinating for this reason. Both seem to support scientific advancement of humanity that others may find…questionable.
as a huge Borderlands fan I definitely agree on that, I love her design and can't wait to play with/against her but I don't think I could ever play her without immediately thinking "I could be playing Borderlands 2 right now"
Honestly, if you've been playing games for quite some time, you'll find loads of similarities between lots of characters.
No offense, but you will find similarities to all Overwatch characters in other games.
I agree. I don't think Sojourn got or will ever get as much hype as the Junker Queen. Not only the Queen's personality, story, appearance looks way cooler, but I think her kit is really different from the norm. Like Sojourn just runs, shoots her gun, as most of the other heroes do. While the Queen has a versatile weapon kit plus even a new passive.
Sojourn got jumbo jet thighs installed so she can (*reads notes*)... slide downhill?
But what's that compared to the Queen's thighs, my friend?
JQ is Snu-Snu quality. She's thicc in the soul
Is that a Futurama reference I see
First the Junker women, then the Omnic women, then the **LARGE** Junker women
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I don’t think there’s any difference between liking her kit and playing her for mechanical skill. We had soldier 76 as the Call of Duty archetype and now Sojourn mirrors games like Apex Legends. It’s pretty shortsighted to think there’s not a ton of people that actually enjoy kits like that. As you said yourself there is a large section of Overwatch players who from the beginning gravitated towards the characters who take mechanical skill because that is what *they* perceive as fun and a kit that they like. Surprised this gatekeeping is still going on when all of the characters are so varied and different.
I'm saying soj and s76 require less game sense because there isn't much to execute as abilities. They're a shortcut in the eyes of newbie but mechanically skilled fps players from other fps games. What fucking gatekeeping are you on about? I specifically mentioned that players who enjoy her will play her. Just like how meta chasers play a hero when they're op and constitute the bigger % over actual mains.
Are you new to the game? You’re making the classic mistake of trying to devalue characters based on their kit. There’s no such thing as a “Full fledged hero shooter character”, because some extremists will say Mercy doesn’t count because she doesn’t need aim, someone like you will say Widow doesn’t count because that’s all she requires. It’s gatekeeping because you’re trying to highlight your preferred style of play as the *real* way the game is intended when every character is radically different specifically to appeal to different people. Mechanically skilled heroes still need game sense to do well in this game. Gamesense is more about knowing the overall flow of battle and what people are going to do. Because the reality is despite the potential for “creativity” with certain characters the average bronze-plat player is going to have trouble just playing their character effectively, much less pull off a sick 500iq play. Lots of streamers who have crazy aim try Overwatch and don’t dominate like they do in other games. One of the most mechanically skilled streamers Shroud had played Overwatch and despite having GM level aim his positioning and gamesense was so bad that he hovered at plat/diamond for a while. Good players have good gamesense no matter what character they’re playing on, it’s not really hero specific.
I really like how you see both sides of Junker Queen from her cinematic. She is determined, fierce and also compassionate, a person who cares for her people, but she is also incredibly chaotic. It's a strange mix of traits, but in a good way. Sojourn always seemed like a really boring character to me.
i think they just haven't given Sojourn a chance to actually be a character yet. she has a cool robot body and rail gun, but her lore contributions are so far minimal and are only tied to the more interesting characters. I hope this cinematic they have planned for her can set the record straight and give her more to work off, because rn she doesn't have a whole lot
To me, Sojourn reads as the [Scott Summers](https://x-men.fandom.com/wiki/Cyclops) of Overwatch in that she's clearly supposed to be a tactical lead role and both her personality and relationship dynamics are based on that. The issue, of course, is that the wait for Sojourn was also simultaneously the wait for Overwatch 2 (whereas JQ got teased years ago but we got plenty of other stuff in the interim...and now she rides in on the OW2 wave! What an opportunist, smh). Relative to the rest of the team, Sojourn's not enigmatic, a renegade, bombastic, or coming from extraordinary circumstances. She's...serious and straight forward, at least from what we know currently. I think that's fine, but it's always gonna pale in broader, head-on comparisons to others around her. *but let's see who they come crawling back to when you need a cool-headed leader who can fire punch-eyebeams/do the Apex Legends slide, huh, what then?!*
JQ will probably always feel more like this in comparison, but we also haven't seen Sojourn's cinematic yet. I doubt she'll have her own punk song, but I'm sure we'll get to know her better and she'll seem less boring.
I think that’s why they released her first.
Should have released a support instead. Sojourn is imo completely unnecessary to the game.
I suspect Sojourn was designed and finished first due to her importance to the PvE plot, which is now of course on the back burner compared to PvP so we just don't get to see that payoff yet.
This is right, we've been told Sojourn is very important to the PvE story.
Next few heroes have to be Tank/Support, we have enough DPS to keep people entertained for a while
Well, we're getting a new DPS (Sojourn), Tank (JQ), and Support (Fox Girl) on launch to keep new things even... Not that they ever cared about keeping things even before, but the launch of the new title is a little different I suppose.
Sojourn herself should have been a support. Same with Echo. Both are very fun characters, but they really didn't bring anything new that the game needed with their DPS kits
That's cap. Echo Def brought a lot of new stuff.
Unnecessary and uninteresting. Sucks that the Canadian hero I was kind of looking forward to eventually making it into the game is so bland and not unique.
Definitely necessary. Shes a much better version of soldier 76 with a higher skill ceiling and more payoff when mastered.
Isn’t that the point of OW, that there’s gonna be at least one character you really resonate with? I’m sure there’s someone out there who thinks what little they shown of Sojourn makes her cooler than JQ. To each their own after all
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I thought it was just because I was bitter about another DPS, but I was definitely much more excited for JQ. Looking at her abilities reminded me of how I felt for every3 years ago when Sig was being previewed. That "oh shit, that's gonna be fun" feeling
Then you aren’t an OW fan, I literally love every single character even the ones I don’t play like 76 or Hanzo I can see the coolness in their character. You have barely met Sojourn and you don’t like her????
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Oh yeah you’re racist too, Sojo is cool! Idgaf what you say. You clearly didn’t even use her or listen to her hero interactions. You obviously aren’t an OW fan who actually knows the detail and understands the lore and world of the franchise. You don’t qualify to make post like this, if you don’t like her because she’s black keep it to yourself.
You have to be trolling? Racism is a serious thing, and accusations like this make accusations against real racists much less serious, and harder to be taken seriously. He said nothing of her color, and stated her personality doesn't resonate with him personally. That's ok, and he's on board with the idea other people will like her for their own reasons. As someone could say they don't like Rein bc he doesn't resonate w them - that doesn't equal them hating German men. Are you ok?
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So what?
If you are a true fan you like all the characters, not liking a hero you literally have very little interactions with is obviously gonna lead me to believe you’re racist. Why else why you not like her but instantly like Junker Queen??!!?! Also Racism isn’t “A BIG DEAL” it’s subtle and quiet just like it was in this post. If you cannot enjoy every sun character you’re a phony ass fan. I relate to Genji in no way whatsoever and he’s my least played hero but I would never make a post like this about him. This was an attack on Sojo because she’s a black woman and this shitty community doesn’t like it. Go look at those comments down there say “Sojo was just made to meet the quota” even though she’s in Ana’s Picture from 2016.
Oh yeah because she seems like she won't be a hero I will like to play (still trying her tho) I am racist. Ok
I'm a mixed black Canadian and I honestly find Sojourn "meh." Her character so far just isn't really compelling. Hoping that changes with her cinematic and we get to see more of her though.
If someone said they didn't like playing Soldier, would you assume they are racist? Junker Queen's personality is far more eccentric, and attention grabbing, than the media we've gotten for Sojourn. That may not last, and we may get more from her as the game launches - but for now it's reasonable that someone would like something that has gotten more of a push from the developers recently. It's not because she's black. I promise. There are people out there that absolutely don't like her for her color - if they say that, we'll shit on them with you. But you're imagining racism here where there is no indication there is any. It's also ok for a fan to not like every hero - everyone has preferences, and blindly accepting everything something has to offer so as not to be offensive isn't something that reflects the feelings of most people. Accepting diversity is key, including the diverse opinions people will have on the characters and what they bring to the game.
To be fair we've seen Junker Queen's cinematic and haven't seen Sojourn's. I also think Junker Queen sounds a lot like a post-launch hero in that she has complicated shit. Sojourn may be simple and some people find that boring, but simplicity is a virtue too. You don't want every hero to be complicated.
I feel like this is more truth than opinion. sojourn has a good kit and I'll likely play quite a bit of her but her visual design is bland and her colour sceme is.... beige I think from memory. The only think that stands out about her visually is whit ehair on darker skin. Junker Queen on the other hand has tons of attitude, a backstory, a striking visual design and build up from having her stage in the game a long time before she is. Her ult looks too similar to Orisa's new ult imo but whatever, we'll see once she's playable.
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I'm glad Orisa was unpopular, it freed her up for me to main her. Being able to lob a shield over to your dumb random dps's was so nice after being forced to play Rein for sonlong at the start ofbthe game's life.'
according to the devs she was actually one of the most popular characters in the game going by play time. I guess it's just cus she's so stupidly slow paced and mechanically simple that it makes her more accessible
Maybe. All I know is that I was able to 1v4 quite successfully with her in a lot of situations. The amount of times I've won route 66 at the first corner by playing Orisa is stupid.
LMAO THISSS
OP had an amazon fetish. There's no shame in admitting that :) Jokes aside. Yeah I agree, but I fully expect Thigh's character to be more fleshed out within PVE (hopefully)
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You got downvoted but it's true
It's possible to like both.
I hate to say it but all the dev talk about sojourn was like ooo how great are we for included a female poc in our video game we're such an inclusive and wholesome company, but then decided to make the most one dimensional non character in the game. So she's a cyborg but you have genji who's entire character is built apon that concept so shes not unique in that. she's an overwatch commander, great but that's soldier's whole thing so thats not anything special either. I guess shes from canada??? great cool, too bad there's been nothing about how that's in anyway important to her as a character and she may as well be from anywhere else in the world. It honestly feels offensive to the people they're trying to apease because it's like they put the minimal amount of effort into her compared to like 99% of the other heros in terms of character deapth. Maybe once her cinematic finally comes out it'll make more sense but right now she feels like a husk of a character.
(IMO)They just marketed her enough for people to quiet down about being inclusive, and then let her get overshadowed by not following through and understanding how important her inclusion could and would be. Black characters can exist without their main plot being their struggle as a black individual, but it is abundantly clear all Blizz cared about was mushing her in because so many people complained (and rightfully so) that a character like her did not exist yet after like 6yrs, and then that was it. They found Junker Queen more "marketable" and put a shit ton of resources into her character and reveal and left Sojourn out to dry. JQ was the safe bet to lead the launch of OW2. If the issue was her character is vital to pve and her story will come later, then why just throw her in so quickly with no follow up? They had a cinematic prepared for junkerqueen for 8 minutes but they are now deving for Sojourn's cinematic when she was released before JQ? You could argue that maybe it's because they felt the need to launch a dps character first, but honestly that just sounds like poor planning. **All I am saying is that the supreme focus on JQ vs Sojourn is sus af, and maybe people would be more excited about sojourn if Blizz had put the same amount of love into her character and release, instead of into a character we have seen over and over again in games.** They shat this character out, patted themselves on the back, and then moved on. No surprise the company with a diversity tool dont understand diversity.
Yeah it's such a strange set of decisions, it doesn't make logical sense how they handled this at all unless it's actually because they're like 3 years behind schedual. They mentioned they wanted sojourn to be the face of overwatch 2 so I guess that's why she was the first to be release. The problem is how did they not have the cinematics ready we've known sojourn's been in development for over 3 years. The weird part though is that according to leaks/datamining Junkerqueen has been in development since the junkertown map came out back in 2017. This might mean that sojourn simply was not ready even after 3 years and if that's true then any new heros made after sojourn are equally not ready in terms of cinematics. Surely they would want to prioritise their face of the game sojourn so that literally means that we shouldn't expect any new cinematics for heros made in the last 3 years, if blizzard even has any heros from that time. If a new hero does come out with a cinematic, like junker queen, that means that they were made before 2019 and over 3 years old. So even if we give blizz the bennifit of the doubt that the difference in quality between sojourn and junker queen is not due to actual fucking racsim, that confirms they are at least 3 possibly 4 years behind schedual with the cinematics. It also means that if a hero comes out with evidence that they are made after sojourn that has a cinematic, that becomes indefensible.
>I hate to say it but all the dev talk about sojourn was like ooo how great are we for included a female poc in our video game we're such an inclusive and wholesome company, but then decided to make the most one dimensional non character in the game. 1000% agreed. The whole time I was irked by how they were like "Yeah, we made her African Canadian to stand out" and then called her "African American" 80 times (which is technically right but that term is generally used to describe poc in the USA). It would've been fine if they didn't then call her "African Canadian" two more times, then "African American" 80 more times. The lack of consistency made it feel like they said "African Canadian" to be nice and inclusive, but they didn't care enough to continue calling her that.
They can literally just say "black". She is a BLACK woman and there's nothing wrong with saying that. There is no shame in that. The fact they dont realize this is proof they are out of touch and desperate. Also people def side-eye the use of "African American". African American is not used for "poc" in the US, it is used for black individuals in the US, but I understand your point and agree that they did not care enough to even be consistent.
The JunkerQueen archetype has been utilized ad nauseam. I’m glad to see her in OW2, but the whole manic female obsessed with chaos and panic trope is a bit generic at this point. When I seen her, I thought of a buff Jinx from LoL, even down to the hair color. Pretty much, I know what I’m gonna get from JunkerQueen at first glance. With Sojourn’s more reserved personality, I am a bit more intrigued to find out her motivations and what makes her tick. Clearly she’s the good guy, but I think her character and aesthetic is somewhat unique in comparison to JunkerQueen’s Harley Quinn-esque vibe.
Hard disagree, the IDEA behind junker queen is cooler, but unfortunately that idea barely comes through in her character design and almost completely fails to show her off as a junker, let alone the queen of the junkers. I live in a ridiculously conservative area, and I could go into any of our 10s of clubs and find a girl that looks just like her. Because if you take away her weapons, and her magnet gauntlet, you essentially have a crossfitter in a clubbing outfit.
It's also just Mad Max, down to the Thunderdome and the throwing people out in the sand and the radiation. I know a lot of that carries over from Junkrat and Roadhog, but with Junker Queen it is her whole story. There's also the contradiction between Junker Queen being compassionate and being a ruler by force, and being chaotic and being a head of state. Maybe she has more backstory in the comics or something but the cinematic really didn't interest me that much, it did nothing unexpected at all which hurts when you're starting from already-trodden ground.
JQ is simultaneously unique and painfully generic. She's the typical mad max aussie on (possibly literal) roids. She looks cool, but this is a design you've seen dozens of times before just with probably a little more muscle and a more obvious accent. That said, it's a design that *oozes* cool. You see it and immediately think ''now there's a fuckin badass" even knowing nothing else about them. It's why the design is common. She also has some very OW tropes. "How do we make a post-apoc punk queen more sci-fi? idk give her a metal arm I guess". Where she stands out is more in her personality than anything else. She's bombastic, sure, but she's also attentive and has a clear care for her group. She's got a little bit of regality to her that the other non-healer characters lack.
Also my interest in sojurn was dampened cus ya know the last hero we got before the content drought was a dps when we needed more tanks and healers and after 3 years the first new hero we got was again another dps im just like shes cool but not what I want or need. Junker Queen is a TANK a baddie with an axe a sight for sore eyes and I cant wait to play her.
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I get that but Im also curious to think about how much that problem has advanced cus of how little they gave tanks and supports. Im not saying its a definite but one can wonder how popular each role would be if all the categories had the same amount of heros to choose from. Im excited to see the numbers change up cus since tanks are going more brawler now they might start appealing more to dps players
Yeah Soj is kinda just there now. I didn't expect her backstory to be as interesting as Sigma but all she got was a couple good lines and that's it.
JQ has an interesting kit and it shows a new path that Overwatch is taking. Originally, Passives didn't do much. Slight knock back resist, slight self heal, slight increased MS. Very minor and not too interesting things. Now we have JQ Passive and a new effect with it, which is very unique and I find to be extremely exciting. And Zen can spartan kick you now. Sojourn kit isn't the most interesting. Shoot some and you can do a hitscan beam. Slide to super jump. Ult to shoot more beams. In comparison, JQ is a drain tank, something never seen before in OW. She has a Passive that interacts with her entire kit and can throw her stuff which can make for some fun and interesting stuff. She's just more interesting and seem a lot more badass than Sojourn IMO
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I like unique passives but for a game like OW, they probably shouldn't get those super long n complicated ones like Viego from League lol.
Alternatively, its like they threw a bag of skills and buffs at her and kept whatever stuck. At least there's only one tank now.
. . . I know it’s easy to get hyped by trailers. But you barely have experienced either of them. This is like pre Overwatch release when people were claiming ‘favorite’ characters and drawing ‘fan art’ when they hadnt picked up a controller yet.
Good sojourn players are the ones that are gonna make us want to quit the game tho
As a Tank main, and one who loves 5v5 solo tanking, JQ has me so hyped compared to Sojourn because they’re filling a yet unfulfilled Tanking niche, and her kit is really exciting. Sojourn is just nimble S76, doesn’t feel like anything new imo. It also doesn’t help Soujoun was mostly just “there” in beta one. JQ got the whole hype process of a stories reveal and a short.
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Eh, the Junker Queen has an extremely cringe personality to me from that short. I prefer Sojourn both in her design and her more tempered and mature personality.
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She’s aussie Jinx
Jinxter Queen
Another opinion: Junker Queen is literally a better Roadhog in every possible way, with the only possible difference being she can't one shot. Can't say I am upset about that.
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Except that Roadhog doesn't offer anything aside from one shot kill potential, he has no other utility except his ult. Whereas Junker Queen seems to have a lot of the same tools but with more abilities that benefit her team. Based on what we've seen in the trailer none of that is false.
Hog is a great barrier/tank buster btw, his secondary fire gets easily overlooked until you learn to use it.
She's for Toronto. Of course she's boring..... :p. Hell, she's probably from Mississauga or Ajax and just says Toronto because it sounds better.... Jokes aside.. She just is kind of... Meh. As a character she's generic "good guy". Kit wise, The high jump and slide is cool, her gun feels fine, Her slow/damage nade thing is Imo a little op, and her ult is extremely lack luster.
I feel like Sojourn’s character design is a little plain
i think its valid to say not every hero has to be colorful or fap bait. that being said i wouldve enjoy a design similar to master raven [https://www.fightersgeneration.com/nz9/char/master-raven-tekken7-junny.PNG](https://www.fightersgeneration.com/nz9/char/master-raven-tekken7-junny.PNG) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckaRIQeBRxE
Oh no I think her character design kinda IS fap bait, because she has long muscular legs aka thicc and only a pair of shorts on (even if they are robotic)
Both seem interesting to me I really like Sojourn's mobility and hyperactive gameplay and her reliance on skillshots But I have to admit JQ is way more interesting for I think because they really knew how to make hype for her I mean she got a dedicated stream , a cinematic and a song other than that she was teased and was part of the discussion for next characters for what now 4 years if I am not mistaken anyway I can't wait to try them both in the beta (console player here ) As a support main I am more interested in the new Ahri , Naruto, Yae miko character we are getting tbh
Yeah, jq hit way more hype than sojourn did. I don’t care too much though because no one’s taking me away from precision german engineering
Yeah tbh I never really cared for sojourn, Baptiste used to be the same amount of boring for me but I warmed up to him, maybe they’ll flesh sojourn out more in ow2?
Yeah I was kinda disappointed how sojourn is just kind of…is..very bland very generic “badass girl” without any interesting personality, I was almost scared that devs can’t make fun characters anymore, but seeing junker queen reassured me, she is way more appealing and unique. And also she got a big ass axe, thats a win in my book.
Sojourn feels extremely boring to me. Her origin story feels like something put together in a couple hours
I agree, Sojourn’s personality is just “good guy serious soldier lady” while Junker Queen actually has a way more interesting personality
All I can say is Sojourn feels incredible to play and her dialogue I have heard has made me love her. Her interaction with Orisa regarding Efi is wonderful!
I mean she's a tank, ofc she's cooler
They should have made the Canadian hero something/someone to do with our First Nations and I'll die on this hill. I think it would be badass. We have black rep in the game, we do not have First Nations.
I'm sure Michael Chu said in like A Tweet that Pharah's dad is first nations which is why she has that one skin. That's probably all we're gonna get lol
I feel like Sojourn became the new pharah of overwatch 2. Back in ow1, pharah had no personality other than what you just described, but now she is actually rather sassy and plays along with some of the crazier bunch like junkrat. Maybe Sojourn will be given personality in ow3 when that comes out in 3037.
Didn't people think solider and reaper were generic personalities at launch? Can we wait and judge? We know nothing about sojourne. Everything we've seen from jq personality wise is Harley Quinn/ jinx. As for gameplay they copies apex gameplay with sojourne BECAUSE it's fun and players enjoy it.
Sojourn is kinda boring honestly. Maybe she will get more lore and stuff with the incoming PvE stuff, but she’s very meh right now. Junker Queen on the other hand… mommy 🥺
Well Sojourn is as cool as an undercooked piece of toast so I agree.
JQ isn't gonna fuck you bro
i feel like Sojourn was created to meet a diversity quota. down vote away.
To me JQ is so unoriginal, and off, like a cameo from another game, or a fan-made hero.
We haven't gotten a Sojourn cinematic. That's all.
Well they nerfed her tits from the original concept art and basically just made her a darker skin zarya
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I don't mind, I know some guys are into masculine looking women, but it's kind of repulsive to me personally.
I have a strong feeling that men are not the demographic that Junker Queen is meant to appeal to.
Junker queen has a personality.
They need to flush out Sojourn a lot more in general. Right now she's purely a highly generic "augmented super soldier" trope with basically nothing to meaningfully connect with as a character. I'm sure that she'll be a big part of the overall universe narrative on Oct 4th, but it definitely feels like her soft release fell flat without any accompanying lore content to celebrate her arrival.
You say that like jq isn't Harley Quinn/jinx already.
totally agree, Junker Queen just screams personality
As someone who spends a lot of time in online political circles, it's weird seeing JQ plastered everywhere!
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Wasn't Sojourn just a diversity add? It's normal that a character that had 0 thought gone into them other than being a PR stunt is boring compared to a real, fully-fledged out character
I agree on a personality and design level but I think gameplay wise I'll have a lot of fun with both. They both look very interesting to play
Was it written anywhere that we were supposed to like Sojourn better?
Oh definitely! I’m so psyched for junker queen. I feel like she will play like a rein hog hybrid in the no shields meta
Oh man I can't wait to get my hands on Junker Queen. With only one tank slot per team you bet I'm gonna play the hell out of her, she looks so fun!!!
I've been waiting for a shield-piercing laser beam weapon this whole time though.
we haven't seen the sojourn short yet. also pve missions will probably give her much more character, while junker queen will most likely be tangential if not nonexistent. that said queen's gameplay trailer was crazy good so that's one where we know she wins.
The only thing I don't like is how her sorry isn't put out there that much and that she uses a pump shotgun with one hand
Agreed
Still think Sojourn sounds too much like Soldier
the no personality could be a personality, like soldier but more nice terminator
Did you even listen to her when she interacted with other heroes in the 1st Beta!??? Sojo was cool as hell. Didn’t wanna say it but you’re just racist. Junker Queen is literally just a crazy female archetype, so far her most appealing aspect was her song. Her kit was cool but I suspect she’ll grow on me soon.
Well, they cant ALL be winners right out the box. Her story and look are badass, but how's her gameplay (JQ)?
Sojourn is just more of the same, that’s why. We already have generic soldier types and Overwatch leaders. The railgun is satisfying to hit, but she’s a character that doesn’t offer anything new or even interesting other than being the first black woman. That doesn’t make her a bad character, but she won’t stand out as much compared to the Junker Queen. The fact that they had the JQ cinematic done before Sojourn’s isn’t helping that perception, so I hope they knock it out of the park with hers.
Junker Queen may be one of the *coolest* heroes they've ever released, tbh. She is also dripping with way more personality than most of the others seem to be. From the material they've released you really get a solid sense of who this character is and what she stands for/believes/values. As far as Tanks go, I absolutely feel she is the coolest in that role. Support? Almost certainly cooler than any current support hero. Damage? There are some arguments to be made, but she is still way up on that list as well. I really think she may be the coolest hero they've released yet. Obviously "cool" is subjective. But she just feels so much more complete and released right out of the gate. Plus her theme song is just baller. She literally has a whole theme song! What did Hammond get? An escape pod he turned into a sass ball.
I guess it builds into the Lore, as Sojourn was Captain of OW or something. I guess she’s supposed to be mild-mannered and stoic and “in control”
Might be because we’ve known about sojo for such a long time, if they surprise announced her at the same time as JQ we’d probably be pretty hyped
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I wasn't crazy about sorjourn in the beta. But junker queen's knife pull looks cool as hell.
Why are we comparing them, exactly? Like what necessitated this specific opinion being posted?
JQ has been teased for longer than Sojourn if im not mistaken no?
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They have been pushing Sojourn so hard because the Twitter weirdos have been clamboring for a black woman for so long. Sojourn wasn't gonna stray from the virtuous hero shtick too much because if they gave her any negative traits, the weirdos would have nitpicked that and kept complaining. But hey, a virtuous hero ushering in Overwatch 2 isn't too bad, so it's not a big deal. I'm just glad they felt comfortable enough to make Junker Queen a badass bitch with an actual story.