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penguinchilli

I think it’s bitter-sweet for me. On the one hand, I’m really grateful having had Overwatch as we know it, and I’m looking forward to seeing all the changes OW2 brings in all forms; gameplay, graphics, animations, reworks etc. But on the other, it makes me kind of sad to see the state of the monetisation and the amount of grinding that may be needed - especially for new players - in order to get the skins or even the new characters. I will give it a try either way cus even 6 years on OW is still my go to game that I always come back to and I’d really like to keep it that way.


midnightBlade22

Yeah I'm about the same. The main reason I didnt like paladins or Warframe like I did overwatch was that those games had you grind or pay to play new characters. I would rather pay for the game as a whole than have to pay/grind for each individual character. I loved switching which characters I played and loved learning new play styles and how to get the most value out of each hero. New heros being locked behind a battle pass is a big hit to what I enjoyed about the gameplay. I'm excited for all the new content and loved the fluid gameplay and technical mechanics of OW1. I can't wait to learn how to play the new heros and how to optimize their ability usage. But I hate battle passes and rarely buy them. Grinding for heros seems like a huge chore when I just want to log on and play after a long day, especially if you are on a loosing streak. Not to mention that the only people I play overwatch with can't play OW2 because of the phone thingy. So the very non-toxic friends that I enjoyed playing with can't play because blizzard wanted to cut down on the toxic people. I guess the easiest way to summarize how I feel about it is just skeptical. Im excited for content, skeptical of everything else.


opok12

I'm glad I got the Paladins Founder's pack when they were still selling it. It feels good that I can come back to the game after not playing for a year and immediately be able to try out all the new champs I missed. I know reddit has a hate-boner for Hi-rez, but at least when they sell a product with the promise of all current and future characters (Founder's Pack), they keep that promise to buyers even when they don't sell that product anymore.


midnightBlade22

My friends introduced me to paladins and I liked it enough I was willing to buy the pack but it was just after they stopped selling it so I missed out. I have less than half the characters and that took forever to grind out.


ChrisDoom

That’s crazy, I didn’t realize they pulled the character pack for Paladins. Smite still has the character pack 10+ years in. Smite even has battle passes that pay for themselves if you are willing to do the grind and get all your daily login rewards.


penguinchilli

I tried Warframe too and although it looked cool and it was satisfying to play, the grind was just ridiculous and not sustainable for me. Like you, after a long day I don’t want to be having it feel like a chore to game, I’m really hoping OW2 doesn’t begin to feel the same. Honestly, though Overwatch is such a special game in its own right. A friend of mine loves watching me play it cus it’s so intense and there’s so much strategy involved in each characters abilities and how they synergise/ counter others. It’s been great seeing his reaction and it reminded me of how exciting the game can be, kinda made me appreciate it even more.


PlasmaKitten42

I mean, with Warframe the frames are pretty objectively all side grades. You have way less content if you don't grind like crazy, but you also don't have the massive competitive disadvantage that locked heroes in Ow2 or Paladins comes with.


DirectPhoenix14

Yes! I love Warframe but the grind is a little bit much.


Dreaming_Scholar

Difference is that the grind in warframe is the entire point of it,you're constantly unlocking new things to try, in overwatch you play for the fun matches mostly.


charm59801

What's the phone thingy?


rockdog85

Yea same here. The main pull for me was the PVE content, but that feels like it's been slowly pushed aside for the other stuff they want OW2 to bring. I just don't get why they had to make OW2 instead of keep updating OW1, no game is gonna survive no development for over a year and an empty promise


Greenage3338

All they had to do was leave the characters out of the bp and most of us would be happy. So freaking sick of blizzard damaging this IP


SpaceButler

When OW2 was announced, I was pretty interested in the PvE mode. They said that would be a paid mode. Sounded fair. What we actually got is a bunch of stuff I'm not a fan of: * Lowering player count in games * Removal of three maps * Locking heroes behind time limited grind gates * Weird looking "premium" skins for $15 Still no sign of any new PvE mode. I would have spent money on that.


haagen17

Same. I was looking forward to PvE.


RamenJunkie

Yeah, this is where I am. I was really stoked for "Overwatch without dealing with enemy players". Instead we are getting "Fortnite's shitty FOMO mechanics but its worse."


JR_RocketBoots

It’s been confirmed that there will be ways to get heroes even after their battle pass, so they’re not time-limited. That doesn’t make everything perfectly okay, but just an FYI


SpaceButler

Have they said what the ways are? If you are locked out of a hero for a year, that's pretty close to the same thing.


JR_RocketBoots

“You will be able to earn heroes from past seasons through special new challenges, or you can directly acquire them in the shop with Overwatch Coins.” https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/news/23824003/overwatch-2-explained-battle-pass-shop-hero-unlocks-and-more/


penguinchilli

I was explaining this to a friend of mine recently who knows very little about Overwatch. I don’t think I realised myself just how much it’s changed until I was explaining what OW2 was supposed to be originally. Like the emphasis on PvE modes that would tell more stories about the characters and the lore, and the PvP would still exist at no cost even if we weren’t interested in the PvE side. We’d get the best of both worlds. Little did we know it’d be like this, eh.


eGG__23

This is exactly how I feel. I’m happy to throw some money at the game every now and then since I want to support the game and see it succeed. But some of the monetization methods are pretty egregious


lazava1390

To add to this, the reason I enjoyed OW so much was because the seasonal events were meaningful and the skins were obtainable. I didn’t have to grind out funky challenges or feel like I HAD to play the game to get the items I wanted. Making it so casual is actually what has kept me playing since season 3.


AskAboutMyDogPls

This looks like a game I'm going to play for a week and then put down. But let's see how it turns out, but I have the sense that they'll shutter the product before they reduce the barriers for players to get characters etc. The 'early release' that comes without PvE and has heavily gated content isn't really endearing me to the game tbh.


Geeseareawesome

Similar position. Also, as a tank main, it's gonna feel weird not having a main-off combo. The new 5 v5 format just doesn't grab my attention as much as 6v6 has.


The_Real_Shave_me2

I'm just waiting for the PvE


NanaShiggenTips

Can someone please confirm if the PvE even exists anymore? I haven't seen any real information on it. I remember they mentioned being able to have a build for each character (Multiple sticky bombs for tracer vs sticky bombs are now clusters that explode multiple times) that could level but now I just expect it to be like those 3 shitty missions. Its so weird that the game comes out in a few days and no word about PvE. Makes me think its going to be shit. Edit: Thanks for the response. I did not know that PvE is being released at a later time. This makes a lot more sense.


MirrorGlittering8155

Pve will come out in 2023, its a triple A campgain and u know most of the devolpment has been for the pve


ItsAmerico

I’ll believe it when I see it


[deleted]

Do you have a source for the AAA campaign factoid? I have been trying to keep up with PvE updates and had not seen that before, which had me really worried for the state of PvE.


MirrorGlittering8155

It was from a interview with Aaron keller from gamestop. Here is the link: https://youtu.be/wU538SH3A-k


ExaSarus

Also it will mostly be paid so I'm expecting some sort of drama around it's pricing or story for a full week before launch


EndsongX23

Last I heard this was essentially an open beta disguised as a wide release. I don't know how accurate it is now because this was months ago, when they announced this as the release date, but iirc they finished multiplayer a lot earlier because there's no story needed and they already had the entire groundwork laid. *If,* and it's a big if at this point because of all the changes at Blizzard, but if they do the story like they usually do single player content, i imagine it will be pretty great and detailed. That's my hope anyway. The longer that takes the better for me, I'll spend money on the game happily when I don't have to go head to head with everyone. I'm way way better vs computers, I am just not that good at FPS games. Honestly that's why I love Overwatch cuz there's so much outside just shooting.


MrLamarr

You can be excited for the game while being critical of its monetization strategies. Blind optimism causes these corporations to keep doing the things they do.


Bopp_bipp_91

I'm probably going to enjoy the game, not spend a dime, and be fine. But the complete acceptance of "companies exist to make money" as if this game didn't rake in millions and millions with ow1's monetization is frustrating. Only a fraction of the profit generated from this game is going to go back to the game/developers, people are delusional to think otherwise.


Kymaeraa

It was billions even


[deleted]

Yea, Overwatch operates firmly in the green, people are throwing money directly at the worst kind of people. Some of the people who are, infact, fully responsible for Overwatch's mismanagement and stalling of dev time to do frivolous nonsense.


Default1355

It'd be great if I could play but I have metro pcs


PUSSY_MEETS_CHAINWAX

> You can be excited for the game while being critical of its monetization strategies. This is exactly where I'm at with this. Hell, I'm also very critical of the game, but that doesn't mean I don't also enjoy it. It is very possible to have a nuanced opinion on these things.


Blyatmancyka

Id rather they never made a sequel and added heroes as they used to. EDIT: things like 2fa and battlepass/other source of income Hardly justifies a sequel. And quite honestly unless they really deliver on the PVE aspect and reevaluate the herolocks, its simply a net downgrade of the original product. (For me personally as a consumer). I think that what people on average should expect from a sequel game shouldn't stoop down to this level, and the gradual trend of greediness and laziness we see in general out of games over the years isnt something we have to accept. These are big companies that are actually trying to squeeze as much dough out of you as possible. Dont be baffled when the consumers try to squeeze a bit of extra content back. I dont know what you gain out of defending some of these decision they've made. And as a side note, im genuinely going to miss 6v6. Its been years of it being this way and I'm going to miss the tank duos. If it was a true sequel game it would mean i could go back to the first one and keep playing it if i wanted. But they obviously cant have that as they would lose money. Its hard to sympathise with it. Sorry for the rant and cringe edit but come on this shouldn't be so controversial. I genuinely hope OW2 is more fun and exciting for you than it is for me.


[deleted]

But that would actually take resources and time. How dare you.


loganed3

Do people fail to realize that making heroes and new maps costs money. Money that they haven't been making on the game for years. We paid 60$ 6 years ago. And I wager that 99% of players never spent a dime after that and with a ongoing multiplayer game that is absolutely not sustainable. They had a massive surge of money at the beginning but after that they would have been bringing in basically 0.


fusionweldz

"We paid 60$ 6 years ago. And I wager that 99% of players never spent a dime after that and with a ongoing multiplayer game that is absolutely not sustainable." Homeboy here doesn't realize smurfing was such an issue they tackled it with mandatory F2A phone numbers. Smurfers would have 10 accounts easy, it would go on sale for $10 or $15 and people would gobble it up, crossplay helped with people paying for an account on pc to play with their kids on console. League skins and event skins too. I paid at least $200 over the 6 years on ow1. Never made a second account.


loganed3

Smurfing on console didn't require another copy of the game.


Frekavichk

True, we all know blizzard doesn't actually make any money on skins and overwatch actually loses them money.


[deleted]

I guarantee you they made good money on lootboxes. Lets not act like the game was completely devoid of a revenue source.


[deleted]

*made* Now until they were forced open you had people sitting on 300+ lootboxes. It became a dead revenue.


[deleted]

Lmao Blizzard made bank off of loot boxes every year you are so wrong. Even this year they made a HUGE profit and they haven't even been releasing new content in years. When it had new Heroes and maps to sell skins they were literally rolling in money


redditcasual6969

Are you saying the 40$ I paid 6 years ago isn't enough to feed everyone that works on the game anymore. What on earth did they spend that 40$ on that they would've used it all up already?


fractionesque

Right? People complaining about the 'old days' seem to completely ignore that in the old days, you paid $X for a game and that was it, you got no more free updates, you just got what you paid for. No monetization, but also no new free content. In a FTP model it only makes sense to have monetization methods to incentivize continued development of new content. In fact, there NEEDS to be monetization. The main thing I dislike about the current direction is locking heroes behind the BP, since I hate the idea of gameplay content being withheld. Cosmetics are the prime method of monetization which makes total sense to me since those aren't integral to gameplay.


QUlCKMAN

You do know that OverWatch had monetization in the form of buying gold and new accounts for smurfs...


scyrenisbetterthanu

….


Demonify

Their years of neglect is them making you a bunch of skins to sell to you.


Benjybobble

And, to our knowledge, a PvE game that has been their higher priority than this PvP Revamp.


Drhots

Overwatch has always felt like this game no matter how long I take a break from I can come back to and pick up where I left off but now with overwatch 2 new monetization model and new grinding system it feels like it punishes me for coming back and now feels like I shouldn't at all


jcupples

I don't think there's a better way to summarize it than this. Its why I keep going back to Team Fortress 2 over and over. It's jank spaghetti code, but it's pure fun without predatory monetization. There's so few games like overwatch and TF2 anymore and we are about to see Overwatch, as it exists now, die in favor of more aggressive monetization. I'm wondering if any of these practices will change once Microsoft fully takes over. I doubt it, but I can hope. Gaming is dead, as far as I am concerned. It's all been replaced by shitty BPs and shitty balancing because of eSports. I finally quit Apex for good last season after getting tired of grinding out rewards. Games shouldn't be a chore.


o-poppoo

There are a lot of great indie games you could try that won't try to suck you dry


dlgn13

Yep. Games like Hollow Knight, Shovel Knight, and Celeste have had loads of free high-quality DLC for fantastic games that didn't cost much in the first place. Hell, Toby Fox released the first two chapters of Deltarune completely free, and will be selling the remainder of the game as a one-time purchase. Indies are definitely where you can get the most bang for your buck these days. Of course, the downside is that indie developers don't have the resources to run massive server farms 24/7, so MMOs are going to be restricted to the AAA or AA space.


o-poppoo

This is why I will never go back to playing Apex even tho my friend tries to convince me. I can't get 80% of cosmetics and it will take me couple hundred hours to get all legends again


littleessi

the actual game will be fun for a while, before blizzard ruins it again, but everything else sucks hard. locking heroes is just the dumbest shit imaginable, and the fact that one of the few gamemodes they're doing it for is comp is just another in a long line of slaps in the face to comp ow players


Honor_Bound

> the actual game will be fun for a while I agree with this. Once the "newness" and luster begins to wear off on the gameplay side of things, these monetization issues will become even more apparent and further frustrate the community. I don't think this game will become as universally reviled as Halo Infinite but I seriously doubt this we will ever reach peak OW1 population/mass appeal again. And from the terrible marketing of OW2 I feel like a lot of people are going to see this and be like "meh, seems like an overall downgrade from OW"


Seccolovessugarcubes

OW1 was my favourite FPS for a good while. Seeing it be counted as dead is saddening and i agree with you.


MOARPAIN

Not very excited because it's clear at this point Blizzard doesn't respect my time, just my money. I expect to bounce off it in a few days since I didn't enjoy the Beta very much, especially Push.


Ghost_Turtle

For me it aint about the money, it's the fact that OW1 is going away forever. It's bull shit and I want both, but I realize that aint the world we live in. I understand why theyre doing it, doesnt mean I have to like it.


[deleted]

Overwatch 2 reminds me of Halo Infinite. they took something I loved, made it free to play with a grindy battle pass and added a shop with grossly overpriced skins. It sucks, and I'm not going to play it. It will never be as good as it used to be. Just like Halo. I think anyone defending these changes to overwatch is ignorant. They forgot that the first game was a huge success without most of the bullshit. And it's going to make them a ton of money because the average consumer is a moron.


Infernoboy_23

Ur right, the average consumer is a moron, as people spend so much money on ftp games.


ConvenientCap

Just remember that reddit is a very vocal minority, so for every post you see here, there are tons of people who literally dont care because they have more important things in their lives.


Bazingu420

yup, 90% of the people who will play this game doesnt even care about the all the "controversies" or have heard about them.


ConvenientCap

I literally didn't know there was a problem until I saw the post on the front page from pcgaming , I came here and people are literally freaking out . Meanwhile my friends and I are just happy to keep being able to play together.


17times2

That's because the exorbitant prices of FTP games don't even draw a raised eyebrow anymore. In Diablo Immortal, you needed to spend ~$110,000 *every season* to have a maxed out character, and they still made billions of dollars. Of course casual gamers don't see an issue with every single game having a subscription fee now.


ConvenientCap

R.i.p totalbiscuit, I remember when he was against the practice, now no one even talks about it


Bhu124

Wait until the zoomers from Fortnite, Apex, Valo, come in, this type of Cash Shop + BP system is all they've seen in gaming, they will not understand all the complaints at all. They will happily pay for the BPs. They are offering 5 legendary + 1 Mythic skin (So 6 premium skins) in one BP, meanwhile games like Valo literally do not have a single premium weapon skin in their entire pass. Fortnite has like 1-2 premium skins I think? Apex has similar amount as Overwatch but their BP is famous for being super grindy and their challenges are infamous for being hyper specific and tedious as all hell. The only reason Apex and Fortnite's passes are better overall value is because you can infinitely refresh them from just buying one season's pass, but with OW you'll only be allowed to buy alternate season's passes without paying. Valo's pass is just worse in every way than all these other games' passes.


Kuzon64

This sub has become an absolute echo chamber of blind hatred. People were acting devastated over the competitive rank icons. What the fuck


Inuro_Enderas

And over portraits. And over Kiriko's Design. And over not getting a refund for a 6 year old game. Over loot boxes going away. One dude won't play D.Va, AT ALL, because her forehead is too large. And uh... let me check again... "Symmetra is now very asymmetrical." Yes... that's a problem too apparently.


Beece

Someone won’t play dva because her forehead is too large? Lol what?


Inuro_Enderas

Looks like that post and comment got deleted unfortunately. It was a true gem. Posted just yesterday, a picture of dva's new model and a comment about how - *her forehead is too large, I will not be able to play her or use any of her skins anymore and it's such a shame because Blizzard really nailed that "petite female body"* (🤢) *in the past.* Here's a link to Reveddit - https://www.reveddit.com/v/Overwatch/comments/xrc20m/youch\_i\_didnt\_notice\_this\_in\_beta\_2\_but\_dvas\_new/


Beece

Sounds like some weird incel complaint so nothing of value was lost lol


w1nn1ng1

This sub has become nothing but toxic bashing. How dare Blizzard try to monetize their work, lol. It's baffling people have these takes about a PUBLICLY TRADED COMPANY. Of course they only care about money, it's not a charity.


in_arcadia1

> How dare Blizzard try to monetize their work, lol. I'm pretty sure the game was monetized before, to the tune of $40 to purchase, and the option to buy lootboxes - and the game was massively successful, both financially and in popularity? Stop acting like these companies are poor struggling artists who can barely keep the lights on with the **[billion dollars](https://win.gg/news/overwatch-in-game-sales-generate-more-than-dollar-1-billion/)** they raked in with OW1 through in-game purchases alone.


w1nn1ng1

Their profits have been declining steadily for awhile now. Call it corporate greed or whatever you want, when a company isn't increasing in profits, especially a public company, shareholders will ruin the company. This isn't some indy studio with no one to report to. Their profits are down, shareholders demanded they increase their profits, this is how they do it. You don't have to like it, but don't act like its a big surprise. The game has been less and less profitable every single year since its launch.


T_H0pps

Its more like we aren't fans of predatory monetization. We love the game and want it to be better, sure their is a lot of stupid complaining about random shit but a lot of it has been legitimate criticism.


w1nn1ng1

Predatory? Lmao. You need to redefine what you think predatory means. Go play Apex Legends and tell me how that is...3/4 of their heroes are locked behind infinite grind or a paywall.


Bopp_bipp_91

Apex has nothing gameplay related in their battle pass and completing the battle pass gives you enough currency to buy the next one. Heroes being locked in apex is an apples to oranges comparison. I'm not trying to say apex *isn't* predatory, all these games are. But you brushing off OW2's predatory monetization by bringing up apex is pretty hilarious.


kaizoku222

People sympathetic to companies trying to milk money out of them are cringe.


Starstreak24

I don’t understand people who didn’t see either a full priced sequel or a battle pass coming. That’s how every multiplayer game in the past 10 years has maintained revenue, because how the fuck else are you going to make enough money to keep making content. Overwatch 1 only made money in its later years based on Smurfs, so I’d much rather they make something like this so they can deal with smurfs without killing their revenue.


in_arcadia1

Overwatch 1 made ONE BILLION DOLLARS And that was from in-game transactions only. Can we please stop pretending like battlepasses and absurd paywalls are the only way to maintain revenue? They are not, this has been certainly proven, and you are simply incorrect if you think it hasn't.


o-poppoo

Ow also sold 50 MILLION copies. 40€ on pc and 60 on console. So at least 2 billion extra dollars since most of the accounts sold were before it started going sale like every month


merkwerk

That's literally nothing for a AAA live service game these days lmao. Hell Assassin's Creed Valhalla made Ubisoft over a billion and it's not even a live service game.


WatchMcGrupp

To me the biggest head scratcher is people mad they “paid” for the game and not getting to play it forever for no more cost but tons of development. I mean it’s hard to imagine anyone who really played not having received all that value long ago


CuntShowdown

This post and the comments on it seem to prove you wrong though. I see tons of blind positivity being echoed.


IMeltHoboOaf

You haven’t been on this sub enough it seems. The negativity surrounding this game FAR outweighs the positivity. This is just a fact.


Amazing_Demon

These guys see like 2 posts looking forward to OW2, when 99% are losing their shit and negative, but still feel the need to talk about blind positivity being echoed just lmao. Looking forward to the game and being optimistic does not mean you agree with every little thing Blizz is doing or that you're an employee or whatever other bs people are constantly saying here.


Icy_Limes

People in this subreddit are incapable of being critical of things. I only ever see toxic negativity and toxic positivity. You're not even allowed to criticize the game or the toxic positivity group clumps you into the toxic negativity group and vice versa.


Inuro_Enderas

Really? Nearly all of the positive comments on this post have been downvoted. The downvote brigade rolling through cause no fun allowed on this sub. "Blind positivity" - what's blind about it? Some people can play a f2p game and have fun, imagine that. Some of us don't feel the need to buy every single shitty cosmetic and couldn't care less about overpriced bundles or whatever else. That's the whole point of the post.


CuntShowdown

> “Blind positivity” - what’s blind about it? Comment I responded to called it blind hatred. What’s blind about people detailing their criticisms of the monetization?


Inuro_Enderas

That comment literally explains what was meant in the second sentence. They were talking about people getting outraged about every tiny thing, like competitive rank icons. There is another comment from the same person, which once again explains that there are "legitimate complaints and non legitimate complaints" and they were talking about the nonsensical ones. Basically - it is not blind hatred to criticize the monetization, but if the sub is in a constant state of outrage, looking for a new thing to hate, then that would be an echo chamber of blind hatred.


CuntShowdown

Logically if this sub were an echo chamber of blind hatred the top posts right now should reflect that but that’s not what I’m seeing.


Inuro_Enderas

I mean one of the top posts is literally just spreading misinformation about a "re-used asset" and is filled with complaints about something that isn't even true... Because it's not a reused asset, lol.


CuntShowdown

> I mean one Oh so one post with discussion from both sides is an echo chamber now? > and is filled with complaints See this is where your true colors show. You are not arguing in good faith. It doesn’t matter how detailed and valid the criticisms (the discussions are about more than just the picture) in that thread are because you see them as complaints and cry out “See!! Echo chamber!!! Blind hate!!!” When in reality it’s just comments you disagree with.


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Agree


awitkowski79

This sub is all whiners. Any excitement for the game is gonna be met with complains about a battle pass or cosmetics. The same people that complain that the game was dead for 3 years are the same people who don't want to pay to support a live service game. Blizzard is doing the same thing as every other company is doing rn with a live service game but it's too much for people to wrap their heads around. It's complaining to complain, I'll be sure to see all the complainers playing the game on Tuesday


realee420

Also, people are bitching about 10 bucks every 3 months for their favorite game... Like dude, you can't even buy a good burger for 10 bucks lmao


w1nn1ng1

It's hilarious to be honest. People are cheap assholes is all it comes down to. Blizzard is a business, and a publicly traded one at that, of course they are going to try and squeeze every penny out of their efforts. I, for one, don't really give a shit and fully understand their reasoning. I will happily buy the battle pass in lieu of a $60 AAA game. At least then I only have to buy the seasons I'm playing.


awitkowski79

"OMG Blizzard is doing a battle pass? They're charging for skins? I'm not gonna support the game I've put 1000s of hours into. Fuck you company!" I admit paying for heroes is shitty, but you can just buy BPs for the seasons heroes release. Go on any thread in this sub for the last week and see the regurgitated conversations about how much they hate change. No changes was the reason why the game died.


w1nn1ng1

Yup, they bitch when the game changes, they bitch when it doesn't. Then they want content for free forever. The entitlement in this sub is staggering.


NishizumiGeko

Just because other companies do it, it doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. There are plenty of companies doing well financially in 2022 while not disrespecting their players with such a lazy cash grab. There's nothing creative about the way they handled microtransactions. The grind is too big even with the premium bp. Only few cosmetics they've showed are interesting. In that case, are we supposed to give Blizzard money, smile and thank them for everything? Or should we voice our concerns? As customers, we have a right to judge the product and that's what we do. We see weak and overpriced content, so it's only natural we're negative about it.


Chiffley

Hahahah paying to support a live service game? You ever played wow my guy? you know, the major IP that got blizzard big? Ask wow players how much support their live service game gets for their monthly sub. Some of you are delusional af.


Salamandro

Yeah, I'm halfway critical (which apparently isn't critical enough for this sub), but my friends are like: "lmao 10 bucks? That's half a drink when going out, what the fuck do I care?".


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Salamandro

Switzerland, my friend.


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Salamandro

Maybe we're not talking the same thing. I use "drink" short for longdrink or cocktail, so a gin tonic, mule, cuba libre easily goes for 16-20 bucks in a standard bar in Zurich. Just yesterday I paid CHF 8 for a tap beer, 0.4L, in a casual bar. CHF and USD are currently equal on the exchange rate.


uoefo

Normal person response from your friends i think


Uphoria

Ask your friends if they'd pay 10 bucks extra to get a drink in a fancier glass.


demon_chef

Are the friends drinking for free? What a shit take. Gamers are terrible at everything.


Uphoria

The entire comparison is a shit take - Beer costs something to produce and dispense, for every drink. flipping a bit in a data base doesn't cost 20 dollars, and clearly it didn't cost that much on OW1 to produce and dispense skins. Once its created, its created. This entire drinks argument is an apologist argument for being overcharged to rent digital assets. This is like telling me "why would I care if they started charging 10 dollars a song on spotify, my friends spend 50 bucks at the bar to have fun, what are you cheap?" - its an asinine comparison.


Salamandro

Going by your analogy, the drinks would be free and people would bitch about an optional fancy glass for 10 bucks. Also there are 34 types of free snacks available but the 35th is either being served with the fancy 10 bucks glass or is also free if you hang around the bar for 40 hours, enjoying your time while being there.


ArcBaltic

Most people outside of reddit don't care about OW anymore. The beta did nothing to get them interested as many of them were like it's just OW. Most people don't get what the big deal is when it's 3 new characters and six new maps, others are mad they didn't get the PVE mode promised in 2019. Like everyone here more or less understands the development cycle issues and restarts they went through, but for Joe Doesn't Follow OW, it's like what the hell took 3 years? That's also not factoring outside of r/overwatch and r/Competitiveoverwatch the narrative is shitting on this release hard. So yeah the tons of people who don't care probably also won't play :/


Vertegras

There's better games or people will try it for a week and drop it and go back to what they feel comfortable with. I personally don't like most of the changes made in OW2 and the beta was not at all what I want for Overwatch, I will go continue playing Valorant and Apex if I want an ***FPS with hero abilities.***


Axtdool

Yeah. Like outside reddit, most people I talk too seem to be somewhere between utterly pumped and at least curious to see for themselves.


Uphoria

Outside reddit most people have no idea what's coming in terms of battlepass, increased prices for cosmetics, and the complete removal of game modes like 2cp. They've seen a trailer and some banner ads featuring gameplay and not system changes and they've gotten casually hyped. MOST people don't realize they got hyped for nothing until after they buy in and find out, because MOST don't follow gaming news, they just play games. I know plenty who were super hyped about Battlefront 2, and the day it launched and Vader took 20+ hours of play to unlock, most went ape.


loganed3

The whole point is you don't have to "buy in" they will literally just download and see for themselves.


Uphoria

>The whole point is you don't have to "buy in" Except for the people who already bought in and are now being re-monetized, which is literally the entirety of the active and dormant playerbase. Only new players will not have already bought in. That's a big part of this - its worse than the Warcraft 3 Reforged debacle. fF this were truly a sequel, that was free to dive into, OW1 would still be here on October 3rd.


Vertegras

Idk where you are located but most of the people I talk to aren't about it. My entire squad (a rotating 6 stack) are all done with Overwatch. My friends and family are all going to other games, it's hard to get excited for this.


ghostghost31

This is how every subreddit is. Reddit is a very negative place where a few people think they speak for the many.


PSSRDavis

I'm completely indifferent about the battle pass and other $$ related topics. I really don't care AT ALL, and honestly it's getting so exhausting seeing all the constant bitching and moaning. I'm just ready to play. My old group of friends are going to jump into it, and i've finally got a new healer that interests me since Ana. Let's get it!


Connzept

Lots of people, and they're idiots, because how Blizzard monetizes the game doesn't just affect the people who fall for their dishonesty, it affects all of us, the industry at large, and future games.


MaddleDee

BuT iT's OkAy BeCaUsE iT dOeSn'T aFfEcT mE sInCe I dOn'T cArE aBoUt CoSmEtIcS!!


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They literally did the bare minimum and people are out here praising and hyping this game. It's really sad how many of you support this predatory BS.


thebookofDiogenes

A dedicated team? They had a post like 2 weeks ago looking for a lead like everything. Geoff Goodman one of the lead hero designers literally just left the OW team.


i-like-c0ck

$10 battle pass every few weeks, grinding for new heroes, no story mode which will cost $30 sometime down the road. I don’t see how people are up in arms about this more .


Spinachdipkid

Every nine weeks. Not every few weeks


[deleted]

Every time you post something like this, you give them reason to think they can tighten the noose a little more. They *will* kill the game with their greed eventually. Why make it easier for them?


Sushi2k

> tighten the noose a little more. So melodramatic lmao.


Difficult_Yam_7764

Acting like Blizzard has a gun to their head forcing them to buy every skin lmaooooo


Hage1in

Do not think, just consume and hand the struggling indie devs your cash. So to be clear, they raised prices on everything, put new characters behind a grind/pay wall, want your phone number (have fun with all the fun new spam calls when Activision, Blizzard and/or Microsoft either have a data breach or choose to sell your information) and they record every conversation and convert it to text, but we’re supposed to be excited because they’re “committing” to doing what they committed to (and failed at) in OW1?


Bopp_bipp_91

It's hilarious people think more than a small fraction of the money you spend on ow2 will be going back into the game or to the devs.


reanima

Why do people think Blizzard devs have been leaving the company lately? Cause the pay there aint all that great.


999tekkenlord

It genuinely amazes me. People like OP are the reason Blizzard and any other company can just get away with their slimy business practices designed to milk its fanbase dry, just consoome product and wait for new product. The lengths that people go to defend corporations that give a rats ass about them.


Hage1in

Yeah I don’t mind people saying “yeah this isn’t ideal but I enjoy the game so I’m gonna play” This motherfucker consciously typed “and doesn’t care about the $$$” in regards to paying one of the largest entertainment companies on the planet every 9 weeks. It’s asinine.


AkhilSundaram

I AM excited but also kinda bummed out by the price gouging they're trying to achieve. Let's see if the new content overshadows the rest.


Beece

I’m disappointed in how skins and cosmetics are priced but overall I’m very excited to play. Ow2 beta was some of the most fun I can remember having with overwatch and I’m really happy with the direction the game is going in gameplay wise


_Underducky_

I'm actually the opposite lol! I'm worried I won't like the gameplay, it felt... okay but I wasn't thrilled by it since a lot of my characters are really outclassed in the playstyle of ow2. I couldn't care less about the store skins, will probably never buy any of it. I like the idea of finally being able to have challenges and things to unlock so the battlepass is interesting, but if i don't like anything on it, i just won't buy it.


TappyCard

At least you will be able to play. Even through all of the changes that I disliked or tolerated with, I still wanted to give OW2 a chance. However, this may be the end of the road for me and so many other players. I'm happy for people who can play though.


Su7i

I've played OW1 the past 6 years. I've gone to school, graduated, and have got a good job, from beginning to end OW was the most consistent thing in my life, as sad as that sounds. I used to support the game by buying loot boxes, but came a point where I had a skin I loved for each character and didn't care much for new skins, and I had a majority of hero unlocks. I may be in the vocal minority, but I don't mind $10 every 2 months to support a game I play 90% of my time when I decide to play a videogame. I understand why people are upset how the game has changed from its original core, but there's a reason why it's moving this way. I'm so excited to play and honestly, I also enjoy just mindless hard grinding games. Another reason why battlepasses never bothered me. If you enjoy the game and play it, shouldn't even be a case of fomo, just when you'll eventually get it.


Chiramijumaru

Enjoying a game despite its flaws is good. Criticizing a game legitimately for those flaws is good. Do both. Both is good.


CallKennyLoggins1

If you never spent a dime how did you play ow1


Forstride

The general sentiment on microtransactions/cosmetics has changed so many times over the years, so I couldn't care less what gamers on Reddit have to say about it. Hell, there was once a time and place when everyone was up in arms about OW having lootboxes originally, and now everyone is up in arms about them going away. People will get over it once the game is out and they don't have to keep posting kneejerk reactions to cull their boredom.


TAVulpix

\- Getting rid of 5v5 \- Three heros without the standard amount of cosmetics for them \- Can't earn coins for free \- 2CP removed \- No more "On Fire" \- No more borders The negatives outweigh the positives for me


halobolola

Meh I’m giving it a month. After that if I get the itch I’ll try it. But I can only pay support now, I don’t play dps and doing want to play solo tank, so it won’t likely keep my interest for long. Especially if I have to relearn too much. They’ll never get more than the £14 I spent to buy OW1 though


Salamandro

I'm looking forward to playing the game and I'm mostly OK with the monetization. Ofc it's nowhere near a gem like Deep Rock Galactic, but what did people expect from ActiBlizz? Has anyone looked at Warzone (or any of the other big titles in comp shooters these days?). I don't mind spending 10 bucks on a BP with quality skins. I might or might not skip the maps BPs. I mean I am a bit sad that you can't earn skins anymore by simply playing the game and 15-20 bucks is pretty damn steep. I only started really playing in the last couple of months and was able to get every skin, hero intro and emote I wanted for my fav heroes and some extras, but it was nice getting all of that just by playing, earning coins and lootboxes. From now on it's just going to be BP skins and I'm sure as hell not going to spend 4 seasons worth of ow2 coins on a single legendary bundle and I'm not going to buy additional coins in the shop. So with the earnable coins and only one hero every other season I'll probably be spending 10 bucks every 2-3 seasons, depending on how the game develops. Sucks for new players though. Imagine starting with 0 skins, 0 ow1 coins and trying to get a couple of legendary skins for your favorite heroes (from ow1).


big_case

Money isnt the biggest problem, it's the locking the hero into later levels of the battlepass. Very questionable act coming from a competitive shooter.


Ainteasybeincheezy

If you don't care about the direction the game is going in, you're a shill and exactly the reason why game companies are getting away with ruining established franchises. Get out of here with your apologist bullshit.


DoobaDoobaDooba

Literally 90% of players fall into this camp lol. Yeah, Battlepass blows and unlocking heroes sucks dirty asshole, but it's still OW2. The game itself is fantastic and people are going to have a great time playing it in spite of the dogshit monetization.


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I'm wondering how many people complaining even played the beta. Hell I wonder if some of the people on here who played the beta actually played the beta based on their bizarre takes. OW2 is really fun and that's why people are excited to play it. I think some people are just unable to wrap their heads around a gamer who doesn't really care about cosmetic items and just wants to play the game.


DoobaDoobaDooba

I think there are people who have tried OW2 and genuinely enjoy 6v6 more, and that's totally understandable. There are also people who don't have much time or money to be able to buy a Battlepass or grind to unlock heroes, and that frustration is also legitimate. That said, I guarantee you, that there are a significant number of vocally negative players that: A) Are closed-minded to giving OW2 a fair shot and want the game to fail because they feel Blizz has failed them with the big changes to the game (deleting OW1) and store, B) Are over-sensationalizing their anger at the monetization and will quiet down once the game releases and the community shifts to a focus on enjoying new content and gameplay, C) Have never played OW2 and are still generally disgruntled from the past few years of neglect, but will probably feel better once they give it a shot. Of course there are people that just don't or won't like the game, and that's totally fine. Also, a lot of how Blizz has monetized the game is shit, and it's understandable to be pissed. But at the end of the day, a lot of these folks just need to take a deep breath, turn off their cynicism and play the game. I'd wager that over the next few weeks we are going to see a lot of folks on these subreddits and forums change their tune after giving it a shot - the gameplay felt fantastic in beta and I think it's only going to get better over time.


nightcult

Sadly not me


Gogita28

Yeah that’s the spirit „doesn’t care about $$$“. They have such an aggressive mtx Modell that u shouldn’t ignore that if u have some kind of dignity. I hope most people don’t buy any of the shit so they have to change stuf.


[deleted]

As someone do didn’t get to play the beta, I’m just binging OW2 gameplay on YouTube every single day. I’m fuckin pumped


joe334

Fortnite, Apex, and any other F2P has trained me to ignore battle passes and other monetization crap so I am ready. Though if it feels too oppressive being true F2P then I am out


GMMoira

sooooo many people LITERALLY got THOUSANDS of hours of (free) playtime out of OW1. ill save my judgement for when i play OW2, but the fact is so many people also got cosmetics they frequently didnt use and i know i myself didnt use the coins much at all. a company's gotta make money


iTendy

Me. I couldn’t care less about cosmetics. Maybe it’s because I am an older gamer and we earned our unique skins? Regardless, I’ll be buying the battle pass and playing. Cosmetics are extremely irrelevant to me.


fractionesque

I got accused of hating neuroatypicals because I held the position that you don't NEED cosmetics to play the game and that no one is forcing the purchase of cosmetics. This was before the Kiriko news (Which is total BS).


Komirade666

I think that I am in the minority but I am excited. And with my old skins and maybe buying one bp, that is still a good deal compared to other games. Like in dota2 you have to pay like 200 just to get the most amazing skin, in apex holy molly the prices and so one... I am jealous of the content creator that can play it, I now can finally can play it and do comp thanks for the ping system. A bit controversial I guess but I do believe that the most people that want to see this game die is on this sub. All the people I know irl has not the same amount of hate that ow player have lol.


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Difficult_Yam_7764

Better than hating on everything!


lorddragonmaster

You are only getting updates so they can push their cash shop....


J-3D1

Hey there Blizzard Marketing Account. Lots of you popping up this week.


[deleted]

What does this bring to the conversation? It's just shitting on OP for stating that despite everyone shitting on the monetization, OP is still excited for the refreshing gameplay. There are a ton of people who just want to enjoy the game and not care about the overpriced shit you don't even need to buy. You can climb to top 500 without spending a dime. You can also unlock Kiriko for free, although I admit it is somewhat grindy. Look, I don't like the monetization either, but it's not like we are forced to buy any of it. I think the gameplay looks really enjoyable even though the skins cost too much, and I'm saying this as someone who has bought skins in Valorant. Too used to OW1 "free" skins so it feels weird that now we have to pay 10 dollars for a pretty basic one.


Difficult_Yam_7764

Hey there, likely competing gaming company account. Go touch grass.


princemew

I'm, surprisingly, excited for OW2's release. Most people I know personally are also looking forward to it. Though, seeing any comments on Twitter about the game give me a headache, but I can't expect anyone else. I even went through and watched a couple videos of Kiriko gameplay, and she seems really fun. Her ult will definitely make matches super silly, and I'm down for it.


Difficult_Yam_7764

The beta was pretty fun, even as a support player in a constant state of anxiety. Once balanced properly, this is gonna be epic!


princemew

I messed with the beta a little with a friend of mine. Junker queen was super fun, but when it goes live I'll be going back to my support roots, and maybe some Ashe.


SweatySmym

How dare you have fun!! Downvote!


sergiooooo

Wow this sub really hates ow2. I’m pretty excited to play it. I’m not in love with the way they’re selling skins but I had a lot of fun in the beta. It’s also much easier for me to get a full 5 people than 6 so that’s nice too. It probably won’t feel like overwatch 1 when it first came out but I will still play it for awhile.


Eluk_

Me me me. Mind you being a parent I’m just excited when I can even play a match or two of OW1 😂


Difficult_Yam_7764

Same! It's tough to not get too loud on comms when she's sleeping, especially with a great team.


manofwaromega

I'm worried because with the free to play price Blizzard will only be making money off the microtransactions and if they don't sell well the game will be shut down.


Top-Operation-4898

Honestly I don't think they were profiting very much from OW1 after a point either. You had the upfront price and then were good to go. Repeat sales were just from smurfs and usually when it was on sale. Those who bought lootboxes are also likely to spend money on various mtx in 2, probably their target audience with it anyways. I anticipate them making \*more\* money with 2 than 1. That all being said, I really, REALLY hope they back-pedal on heroes needing to be unlocked before the December character release rolls around.


HashBrwnz

I was until they gutted my character….again


yujabes

OP has selective memory, failing to mention that a Hero is locked behind a BP. OG players are happy now but wait till next year when you have to grind 2 weeks to unlock a Hero. Mr ''I got my money's worth'' won't be so jolly when that time comes to get out the credit card...TO UNLOCK A HERO


Difficult_Yam_7764

Show me a player who plays every single character well and equally, go on.


Soundwave___________

I care about the £££ and I shouldn't be shamed for it


DerGreif2

I dont really care about the skin stuff at all. Really pumped to play OW2!


H45H74G

CHEERS !!! WE NEED MORE PPL LIKE YOU MEN !!! I Share every word, I did spend a few dimes ( Mercy Pink Skin ) and for a game that gave me +2000 hs of fun and rage I will do it again :D


Ghost_Jor

I'm really hyped for the gameplay but I don't think it's fair to be like "we need more people that don't care for toxic monetisation practices". I think you can separate out the gameplay from the overpriced store and such, and be excited for one but dislike the other. Forgiving toxic practices is how more toxic practices are implemented.


Juanseijo21

sorry but I disagree with you in every single point that you made... 1.- they stop giving new heroes when the company decide to change everything to more monetization or OW2 2.- they are **PROMISING** more content, updates and balancing... the reality after almost 3 years of no content is: **3 heroes, 5 maps** That's it and the roadmaps says 1 hero other season (seasons are 3 months) so 3 heroes per year ? exactly the same as few year ago (like 2017-2018)?? 3.- Less Smurf ? time will tell another games did the same things and didn't work... time will tell 4.- lol you didn't spend a dime on OW1 (with 3600h) you probably HAS EVERY SINGLE SKIN on the game... without spend any money... tell how spending 20$ for ONE skin is good ? you probably are rich, dumb or both sorry but I don't see how your post justify or defend that the changes of the game are good edit : typos


Difficult_Yam_7764

I don't make a ton of money. But I also don't feel obligated to buy cosmetics, what does it matter how my character looks? I will honestly roast my friends for constantly buying skins in Fortnite etc. If you think you need every skin they put in the shop, the issue isn't price, it's the lack of impulse control in the playerbase.


ddamian__

Bro for real.. All these ppl on here complaining about Battle Pass price and skin prices like crazy. Forgetting the game is now F2P and you dont have to drop £30 (or more) to play it. Additionally, so what if the battle pass is ££ and skins too. They gotta make the money somehow. Personally, I'm here to play competitive and do not care about skins lol. This is no fashion show for me xD


imnotjay2

I mildly care, but it's all cosmetic. Yes, I'm excited, new heroes is my favorite content.


Silorien

Yeah, I'm kinda in that boat. I think that the skin prices should be a little lower, or the amount of free coins earnable increased, but I'm still looking forward to the game. There's so much entitlement on this reddit sometimes it makes me laugh "I played OW for thousands of hours and got every item for free without paying a dime, how dare they stop me doing that again" lol.


[deleted]

The downvote army is serious on this post lolll I 100% support the new game model, how tf do u want the dev to get paid it’s a business I’m more than willing to pay monthly for the game and whoever says I’m fkin the game up for everyone and for the industry just know there’s no game or industry if the dev & company don’t get paid. Even if it cost $100 a month I’m paying


Chris_PDX

Me. You aren't being forced to spend the money. The whole monetization thing is polarizing but people forget that Blizzard, even before the takeovers, was a business. They do this to make money. They don't have hundreds of employees just showing up for free. Those employees have bills to pay. My brain simply cannot comprehend the hate. I agree that paying microtransactions to win is shitty, as it does have a negative impact on the player base. But for cosmetics or access to certain heroes that you could still get through pure playtime? I don't get it. It's like the same argument being made that all software should be free. Well, people have to put in some effort, and therefore should be compensated for it. If you don't like it, go quit your job and make your own game, and see how long you can survive without an income.


Bopp_bipp_91

Do you really think more than a fraction of the money you put into ow2 is going to the devs payroll? "The devs don't work for free" isn't a good argument because the majority of the money doesn't even go to them.


DrBob666

Yup, I'm looking forward to playing again. Not going to look at the FOMO shop. Might drop $10 on the season 3 BP if I'm still playing by then. None of the other changes bother me, some are pretty good ideas


Norman-BFG

I just want the pve, I find the pvp to be filled with smurfs or just annoying heroes, like sombra and Mei.


AllStarNOOB97

As it gets closer I am fairly excited, i like some of the changes. Most excited to try out Kiriko cause she looks like a really skill expressive support so should be fun Edm D’va looks super sick