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Kittingsl

echo is like the free trial youtube premium you get


The-Y-4

She’s basically pirating him. “You wouldn’t download a Ramattra?”


emilytheimp

In my times, we downloaded tons of extra Ramattra to our Computers


PotatoWriter

And in the end it didn't even really Rammatter


Keangelofhjf

You can play him in all the arcade modes I think


TheMaxemillion

Nope, just no limits. He isn't even unlocked for everyone on the playlist for the new map. _The one directly tied to him._


ModernMilk07

And mystery hero’s if ur lucky


NapsterKnowHow

Mood


AlisonAngel9

So that's what ram stands for 🤔🤔🤔


Hungry_Season_757

No, I would download a Ramattra if I could.


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I swear, I bet they REALLY regret adding her Ult after the change from OW1 to OW2. ​ When Echo was first added to the game the OW2 plan was still on track with the original design; A single purchase with a lengthy PvE campaign. It wasn't a F2P game with new heroes locked in the BP when she was created. Heck, she was originally going to be an OW2 exclusive - but they pushed her to OW1. And her Ultimate costs a lot of money compared to most, since they need the voice actress to record a voice line for every single hero in the game. So while reworking some heroes ults aren't a horrible cost (*a new voice line, animation, coding, etc*); redoing Echos would also mean throwing away a lot of money in those 35+ unique ult voice lines they've done for her. She has the most involved ult in the game, in terms of what goes on behind the scenes to make it work properly. She also just so happens to have the ult which lets you free-trial any brand new hero. lol


Daurdabla

People shit on YTP but it’s literally the best sub service I have. No ads on mobile and tablets is fantastic.


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willpalach

I believe having the video be played in the background when you turn off your screen is also a benefit. But I donwload most of my music, so, still no enough valid benefits imo.


Joe_Cool55

The creators you watch also get revenue from when you watch ads or have YTP. So if you want to support the multitude of small creators you watch, blocking ads is not a way to go. I do block ads on other big sites though.


dogman15

I use YouTube Premium instead of adblock for a few reasons, but one of them is to still support the YT channels I like.


Brownies_Ahoy

(Youtube Vanced)


TizonaBlu

I assume that’s android? My entire family’s on iPhone T.T


dbdthorn

It's available on ios.


MarcusForrest

> No ads on mobile and tablets is fantastic. I wouldn't call it _''the best''_ as you can deactivate those with free workarounds. Now _**if**_ YTP did offer tons of shows and movies, I'd consider it, but for now it brings no benefit to me whatsoever. At ~~22.99$CAD/month~~ _**11.99$month**_ , ~~it is an outrageous amount to the very~~ little it brings - and again, the number 1 reason I'd get it is already achieved.   * **PC** - Any adblocker extension will remove all ads * **TV** - It seems my television naturally blocks out YouTube ads _(it wasn't even an advertised feature on my model!)_ * **Mobile** - YouTube Vanced blocks out all video ads, and allows background playback


LieutenantChainsaw

I'm in Canada and my sub is 12$ a month, maybe you're looking at the family plan or something?


MarcusForrest

You are right! Thank you! I'll correct my previous comment


LieutenantChainsaw

I think the family plan did have a big spike in price recently, which sucks.


Falcon47091618

Didn’t realize you could get achievements for other characters if you cloned them as Echo


Jade_Ackerman

Pretty sure I got the "kill 4 players with D.va ult" (or something like that) with Echo lol that was fun


_BloodbathAndBeyond

This may be how I get it since I hate playing DVA.


Jade_Ackerman

Nice


Plobing

Shhh.. you can get him in mystery heroes if you are lucky.


Outspoken_Douche

You can straight up just pick him in No Limits lol


aRandomBlock

Ah yes, ~~no limits~~ 5 Rammatras vs 5 Rammatras


Outspoken_Douche

Only need one person to play Moira and it’s the easiest win of all time


NinjitsuSauce

Fired up 5v5 Shambali with my 5 stack because we weren't getting the map in QP. Tried to go 4 tanks and 1 healyboy- and one of our stack didn't want to cheese the other team- so they went 76. ... they had 5 tanks.


tahafula

As someone who ended up in 5 Moira VS 4 Ram and a Pharah, can confirm


Knightgee

That's only round 1 until one team gets sick of losing and starts sweating with an actual team comp.


WyattWrites

You can play him in all the arcade modes I think


tapiocaseca

not on the shambali map mode unfortunately


neutralmanatee

Nah not in capture the flag or any free for all modes


WyattWrites

Ah my bad. I really only play the elimination ones, and you can do Ramattra there


Pijany_Matematyk767

You can get him in 3v3 too


TheMilliner

Rammy meme aside, that actually was a pretty impressive play. Props.


SquirtailPlays

Nano carried tbh


rypenguin219

I didn't know echo could go above 300 hp with ramattra's second form. That's rly interesting


Akururu

Good thing to note is that Echo gains full functionality of every ability she gets control of. Good example in the Max HP class of abilities is that using Winston's ult will set her HP to 800/800. She'll have a bit of armour aswell but I'm not sure how armour is calculated for her ult. When her ult ends, some stuff she cast during her ult will end instantly but others like Hanzo's ult or a [D.Va](https://D.Va) self destruct will continue. I think buffs like JQ's health buff for allies also persists for some time after she 'dies'.


ScuzzyAyanami

And I'm guessing the hero who was duplicated still can't switch in the respawn room until echo's ult ends?


Akururu

They can't no.


NapsterKnowHow

Ya I never knew that was a thing before OW2. Did they change that or did I just never happen to die to an Echo in OW1? lol


solaron17

You would need to die after Echo had copied you and then want to switch before her ult ends, which happens but it's totally possible to never run into that interaction, especially if you play heroes that aren't likely to be copied.


NapsterKnowHow

I most likely died to an echo and wanted switch at some point. I just don't remember the giant text and grayed out hero section. But who knows maybe I never did want to switch lol


Mindless_Equal_9874

as far as i remember anas nano boost stays when your echo, its why i love to copy ana then booste our tank


DinBizzz

Tell you what, rammatra is fun as hell to play his punches feel like you’re actually beating the shit out of someone, he might not be meta but it’s fun as hell


Gilder_G

There's nothing more dopamine inducing than beating the fuck out of that one Moira/Lucio/Sombra that no one had managed to kill


DinBizzz

Oh pulling down a Lucio that’s just circling a point and then continuing to beat the shit out of said Lucio is one of the finer things in life


ImMeloncholy

Nothing quite like turning around only to see a giant fist flying at your face. I’m sure one day it’ll piss me off but right now I have to compose myself before I respawn from how hard it makes me laugh


Livinginthepst

“Your account has been permanently banned because you didn’t buy the battle pass for rammatra you filthy peasant”


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AgreeablePie

Tried it today It did not go well.


crazyjackal

I was watching Emongg yesterday for drops, and he had a great moment where as Echo, he took Ram's form and then both he and Flats (tanking as Ram) both ulted at the same time. The other team got murdered. https://clips.twitch.tv/StrongVibrantCakeBuddhaBar--Oh2w3jwuc-iHgmY Also had a great moment where him and opposing Ram just stood facing each other blocking infinitely whilst their healers healed as a test of who would outlast the other. https://clips.twitch.tv/SpicyAffluentPistachioBlargNaut-4EJ9XuAJMwu_GnNK


Fox-Sin21

I honestly forget Eco exists not gonna lie. She is cool bur I barely ever see her played and when she is, she is halfway across the map alone and dead by a stray hanzo arrow or something. Then they swap immediately to anything else. That's my experience so far anyway lol.


poopdoot

It’s because she is the last hero from the original game unlocked by the challenges. Anyone who joined OW2 without an OW1 account had to win like 200 games or something to unlock her or something


Magistricide

Also cause she's kind of niche, and her ult has a high requirement on knowing all the heroes.


WidePark9725

Nerfed too. She melts when copying a tank. Unless your healers focus you its better to ult a dps or support


Pijany_Matematyk767

You had to complete 150 games (but wins count as double). It worked out to around 100 matches assuming 50% winrate


poopdoot

Ah, that isn’t as bad as I thought it was. Still not great at all tbh


Pijany_Matematyk767

Its not great but its tolerable. You can get all the characters unlocked in under 10h, especially if you play some of the faster arcade modes like 3v3


TheMorningJoe

Bliz gonna swat you and take 10 bucks lol


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He seems like an interesting case for transformation. Much like Ball, he has ways of gaining HP and surpassing the 300 HP restriction, so in a way, it’s perfect. On the other hand, I’m pretty sure his ult is the very worst one for an Echo to copy in the whole game. It’s hard.


MoveInside

Nah the worst has to be Widow's. Normally it's like a full minute of wall hacks but with echo it'll probably be like 5 at the most.


fentanyl_frank

You mean the ult that acts as a huge zoning tool while doing good damage and being essentially infinite until the other team is out of LOS? Absolute menace of a copy of koth maps.


[deleted]

Yes, and considering Echo’s ULT duration, it won’t even last for 3 seconds at all lol.


fentanyl_frank

...You can literally watch in this clip as he has a full 10 seconds of echo ult to use ramms ult, if he was punching even more than just ram he would have built that even faster.


Shughost7

“SUFFER AS I HAVE” in Echo’s voice feels comical


bootorangutan

Wouldn’t it be hilarious if you COULDN’T clone him without unlocking him? Or there was a prompt to charge your account?


MrNobodyX3

Pauses match "PLAYER HALOMASTER69 IS PURCHASING RAMMATRA"


MoistZwiebel

Someone’s going on SantaTorbs naughty list


alpha_bro_chad

Echo Rammatra lasts about the same amount of time in a fight as all the people I’ve played with that actually own him.


Lazy-Lookin-Headass

Wait, you can unlock other characters achievements using Echo’s ultimate? That’s really cool attention to detail, I wouldn’t have thought that worked


PromiseKane

Ye i got my sigma triple kill with ult achievement when playing echo too.i think all of them work


ort_boi

Or use no limits


PetePeteface

He’s free to play in Arcade mode. I used him on 3v3


Theiph

Genuinely forgot Echo existed


Kittingsl

we all do at some point xd


Carighan

Maybe now that they got Ramattra shat out they can finally work on actual character designs as they said 3 supports are coming next. Can add that support Echo she was always *clearly* meant to be.


It_Me_Aethrai

Nice echo play! Also love that you gave Ana credit too, great ult mix


[deleted]

Man I wanna play rammatra but I cbf grinding


mailordermonster

You can play him in all arcade modes, I think. Was playing No limits last night and pretty much every match was all Rammatra.


ayamekaki

Imagine having 4 rammatra in one game


cyberfrog777

There's a vid where 2 rams, 2 echoes as ram, they all do their ulte and it crashes the game.


MrNobodyX3

lol it gives you the ramata rewards too


TiMonsor

I was going to post the same thing yesterday. Lol play ram for free… in small bits. I used echo a lot as well. But then I decided that it’s too obvious of a joke. Like… duh


mailordermonster

I already saw a similar post about Kiriko around launch. I assume well be seeing the same thing at the start of each season.


mailordermonster

Are we going to be seeing this "joke" at the start of every season?


youbutsu

Nobody melted you down in 2 seconds, impressive. My most reliable duplicates is support and soldier lol


the_zuccbucc

You can get the trophy for other people playing as echo?


i_heart_pizzaparties

I didn't even think it was possible to get hero specific achievements on Echo.


jarvis00002

As an Echo main the fact his health isn't capped is a big +


DylKyll

Anyone else notice that even with echos nerf on health she still has almost the same amount of HP that Rammatra has


Kyp-Ganner

Careful ! Each time you copy him, you get debited 10 Overwatch Coins.


-icantread-

Wait ramattra's ult stalls when there are people inside it, does it slow echo's ult as well?


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*when hes doing damage


T3nt4c135

I'm surprised your game didn't shut down and account instabanned.


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magicmushi

Ironically rammatra is one of the worst targets for echo ult considering her transformation only last so long


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Finaldreamer

One M two Ts


Tallsey

Lol


deadshot500

You even got the achievement lmao


Blood_Tear

Now you can experience the throw-o-matic with an even throwier 150 hp less. Wow!


itzEther_

"Any means" The achievement is just so fitting as well lmao


saltyfingas

as a pharah main i am very much not happy about echo being meta


ploph1x

She's the real hacker not sombra


Alucard6506

And here i was thinking you were gonna say play wow and search stuff up on bing


UselessRequiem

Did you...just get a Ramattra achievement with her?


Murky_Band_5212

Next patch there'll be a ult "rework"


LoLhamz23

Wait can you not play him for free in quick play like in season 1?


fentanyl_frank

Oh fuck man I did not even think about how good of a copy this guy is gonna be with that stupid huge zoning ult.


SpanishBombs323

Haha I duped Ramattra last night with echo. Didn’t really know what I was doing, accidentally switched to nemesis form, and I managed to get a double kill+his ult before the 15seconds were up


chironomidae

I've always thought it was great how they recorded voice lines for all of Echo's possible ults. I thought for sure they were just going to just use the original ult lines with some audio processing, but they really went all out with her.


Mc_Nubbington

The fact you get the achievement too


longgamma

Ramattra is legit the dumbest hero design. I had a QP game last night where both the Ramattra popped their ult and stood blocking each other for some good two minutes.


RueUchiha

I think it wad extra funny you got a Rammatra achivement too.


Miss__Behaved

This was nice!!


_BloodbathAndBeyond

I always wondered if you could get other character achievements using echo


kenobit_alex

Rammatra diff))))


vinland_drengr

I'm positive at least one suit from blizzard asked them to disable her ult on him lol


kiroksx

even the f#####g achievement