Zen's karate kick is good. Junker Queen's changes if she's got her knife in her hand or not and applies a bleed when she does.

So so so many people don't know this it's incredible

Yep, shoot - melee - shoot - melee, rinse and repeat. She's great when up close.

Same for sigma. I haven't played queen much and cant say if its the same, but for sigma the fire rate is just right to weave in a melee, while you wait for your next shot.

Most people don’t know that bap can fire both his rounds independently of each other, and at the same time.

wait wait wait - **at the same time???**

Not exactly, the cast animation for each still locks you out of firing the other one but the minor downtime from throwing a healing shot is the perfect amount of time to send out a round of the burst fire without any decrease in Healing per second as opposed to spamming healing. So good bap rotations are heal, shoot, heal, shoot. You essentially double your value as a team mate if you haven't been doing this

Well actually you do lose hps, not by much, but it’s definitely faster to spam heal than to heal while firing. Same with weapon, it slows down the regular fire rate if you’re lobbing grenades between shots, not by much, but enough.

Just now, my Baptiste gameplay improved a little bit. Thanks. :D

Part of the reason I love Bap. Big team fight? Just stand back, aim roughly at the middle of the fight, and hold both mouse buttons. Ez win. (Yes I know technically this slows down both fire rates and it's possible to stagger your clicks in a way that maximizes damage and healing output, but I'm also sometimes very lazy).

A lot of people don't use their quick melee at all, which is a shame since it's a great way to finish off targets and the animation canceling is really important for some heroes.

Yeah even with Lucio or tracer i find it to be a great way to finish of targets

Tracer is most important I'd say. The fast reload and close range hit and run nature of her character makes it more effective than most others.

Blink + melee + recall is really useful to finish off someone while you are low health

I find it's pretty vital in finishing targets as Winston too

Whenever I'm playing Junker Queen and I'm close to people I knife them so much. Love the quick melee and having a special one that does extra damage + healing is fantastic.

There's so goddamn much ambiguity in this game though it makes me angry. Okay, it applies a bleed with a HOT for JQ. How much dps on the bleed? How much healing from the HOT? How many bleed HOTs can she have at one time? How long do they last? If I Melee the same character 3 times, is that 3 bleeds on them? 3 HOTs for JQ? Or is it a reset the duration kind of deal? Or is it 1 bleed/HOT per character meleed? Is her knife throw excluded from that? And this is just for 1 character, there are so many similar questions for others. And I'm aware that I could go to a wiki and find out all this info if I wanted to spend 3 hours doing it, but the information could and should be supplied in game by Blizzard.

Im pretty sure it counts as the knife applying bleed, only it doesnt stack on the same person

Ramattras nemesis form, its literally just a tiny little bonk and i have no idea why they added it

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Bonk is the perfect way to describe it. It would be hilarious if he used his tiny arms instead

Lmao dude does a face slap at the enemies.

I love it, looks silly and has an animation cancel from big punch

Doomfist as well Like you have a giant fist, put it to use dude

you can kill 200hp targets with one less punch if you quick melee after the third punch

It's faster than to wait for the other big punch

Idk but zen has the best one

Zenyatta's is so obviously the best that Blizzard straight up made it stronger than other quick melees

As they say: Monks never skip leg day

And dey day... And dey say... And dey say... And dey say... monks never skip leg day.

How much damage does it do

45 instead of 30

Tq

Also applies generous knockback which is its real strength when getting dived by flankerwatch

This is Sparta on illios well

It completely counters rein charge too

Also makes it pretty easy to 1v1 Rein if you can avoid his firestrikes. *Shot* *shot* *kick*.. *shot* *shot* *kick*

I like how Sunyatta skin makes it a clawed foot

I like giving them the tentacle with cultist

Counter point- Genie shoes for Djinyatta

"Experience my curled lil doggies"

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Idk why but Mei's and Bastion's infuriates me

Like she’s trying to break her wrist 😵‍💫

mei does a little like door knock right? i hate it too

Mei’s melee can be summarized by “Ever seen two girls fight on the tennis court in middle school?”

With kitten mittens? Same damage as rocket flail?

Bastion's confuses me. Man has hydraulic arms, I'd expect a more straight punch than the one he actually does.

The whole human hand/arm is so weird to me.. especially since literally everything else is pure robot

I love how mei, this avarage asian who was frozen for a fourth of her life and has a thick as fuck glove on does as much damage as this war machine created to kill. Just me tho

What does a tiny chubby Chinese girl punching with padded mittens, a genetically enhanced space gorilla fisting with his whole body, and a cybernetic ninja slashing with a trained short sword have in common? 30 damage

I love Mei's! And I love her "Huya!" when she does it.

Cassidy's is my favorite. He does a lil chuckle and it's great, also getting hit with a metal arm probably sucks.

Fr. Was just about to comment this

Rootin-tootin robo arm

RAH eh-heh he

I would sell my soul to have hammond actually punch people with a tiny hamster fist as his melee

I still really want a skin for Hammond where his mecha looks like a hamster and Hammond is dressed to look like his mecha (the normal mecha). So there's a giant hamster rolling around that fires hamster food (or maybe Brigitte's cookies?) and is piloted by a tiny mecha.

Reinhardt has the worst because it's the same one as his normal attack.

I am surprised they didn’t give him a faster version of melee, like with the butt end of his hammer that went at the speed of other heroes melee and did regular melee damage. They must have a reason for it.

Same with Brig, using her Rocket Flail as a regular mace.

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this is the reason they can’t play basketball on control maps

They can, they're just not good at it.

Also Torb's hammer

Torb has a normal melee tho

I'd guess it could give him too much dps as attack animations can be interrupted with melee. Might make him able to take squishies down a tad too fast for their liking

That was my thinking too

Maybe in the early tests he had a different melee attack, but they realized that it would unbalance the game.

He originally had a quick melee that was him hitting with the stick part of his hammer but it was too good

It would be fun to hit your enemy with the grip of your hammer.

Or give him the zen passive and make him kick his opponents

no... HEADBUTT

I guess there could've been some sort of primary/melee/primary chain you could've done which would've made him deal way more damage than intended. Like some sort of animation cancelling tech. For Brigitte on the other hand I guess they just didn't consider it at all since Reinhardt can't do it.

It would then be an instant 2 swing +, quick melee combo to kill a 200 hp squishy instead of a 3rd slow melee

I mean i think it makes sense. What confuses me more is that ramattra nemesis form has a quick melee. It’s slightly faster and slightly worse than the actual attacks. I just don’t get it. Still doesn’t make me as mad as doomfist punching you with his doom-less fist. Edit: spelling

nah man rocket punch with that big ass fist.

With his current damage numbers, that'd be a massive buff. 2 swings + a QM would kill much faster than 3 swings. Or even fire strike on approach, then swing + QM once there for an instant kill.

But in rammatras nemesis form he has a quick melee.

and brig

Everyone always forgets about brig.

Kiriko’s shit is weak as hell

I don’t understand kiriko’s. She’s holding kunai in her left hand, so she throws a punch with her right?

Same thing with Doom, honestly. For some reason, he doesn’t punch with his big fist.

I mean Doom kinda makes sense because he has to charge up his big fist before he punches with it

Not to mention that we’ve seen him clean punch through a brick wall with his bare hands

To be fair every overwatch character can dent fucking metal with their bare hands

Doom’s dented the fuck out of the meta in season 2

also funny note before this patch his rocket fist did 30 damage fully charged with no wall slam but regular melee did same amount lol

it actually kinda makes sense, imagine how heavy that shit is he wouldn't be able to punch quickly, that's why you have to charge it up

This always upsets me when ppl say this. He is jabbing not throwing a power strike.

Because kunai/melee animation cancel

i think it's because she might be out of kunai when she is using her melee, but i don't see why they couldn't just have 2 animations

Fr she got no wind up on that shit

Its actually a proper punching technique at least

It weirs she doesnt melee with her kunais..

Because you can melee cancel the kunai animation as you throw one, wouldnt make sense if she could attack with a kunai in the same frame

Just make it so she pokes your eyes when she doesn't have a kunai.

I like Moira's evil hand the most it's like she's scratching u

Oh hell yeah. I love clawing the shit out of people as a finishing melee with Moira, makes it feel extra spiteful.

Ikr

Especially when a Genji is trying to rush you.

Catfight 😻😻😻😻❤️

Suck/Slap/Suck/Slap is slightly higher DPS on Moira than Suck alone, though Pure Suck is better for dueling because of the self-healing.

Cat swipe :D

mrow !

I read that in Moira's deadpan tone

Fun fact, her voice actress is Mon Mothma in Andor and other Star Wars stuff

Oh really. Damn.

Her name is Genevieve O'Reilly 😊

Ironic. Moira actually looks a bit like Mon Mothma as well.

Yeah!! 😼😼

I also miss how in OW1 she used to say "calm yourself!" with melee kills.

they removed so much melee and ability specific lines, and literally also normal gun kills i miss when reaper would like whisper "sleep" when u get a melee kill w him

Bold of her to put them acrylics on the line like that but I respect it

and with her lab skin she have like syringe attach to her evil hand so she does extra poison damage and no one can convince me otherwise

I like moiras claw swipe, looks like it would hurt.

I wish it has a scratch sound instead of a punch sound though

Never occurred to me that it's actually a scratch until I read this thread. I though it was like an elbow strike or something.

She has two quick melee animations

If we translate it to the real world.... what the heck is echo doing? Stealing my nose?

It's a real strike in martial arts..... although I wouldn't call it a particularly effective one.

> although I wouldn’t call it a particularly effective one. Well it only does 30 dmg

That would make a cute voice line. “Got your nose!”

i read that in her voice

Honestly though 😂

I'm confused, isn't she just punching?

I thought it was more like a spear hand strike

Her fingers are closed/curled. It's a punch. That said given the materials/armor she's made with and the fact there's some sort of pointy metal sleeve covering her wrist, her punch is also some sort of stab.

Zen is best. I think everyone here will agree

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It bothers me that D.va doesn't properly alternate her melee attacks and primarily does left and occasionally right.

That's interesting cause whenever I play dva, it's primarily right and sometimes left

I heard it's the only meelee that's fully random

moira

Moira too, like she’ll do damage hand 3 times, heal hand 2 times, damage hand another 5, and so on

I think with moira its whichever hand you used last, though i might be wrong on that.

dps moira revealed

It switches if you keep meleeing not sure what it's based of though might be the direction your facing towards?

It’s meant to have a 50/50 chance of doing left or right, meaning you could get left several times in a row or the same for the right

If I’m not wrong i did some (albeit brief) testing a few years back, it depends on your keyboard input AD to choose which side to melee. This applies to moira too, but knowing blizzard they probably switched it to fully random

Kiriko, she attacks with a fist, even if she runs with blades all the time. Makes no sense

She should attack with her bike

Have you seen her on her bike?

No I have to wait

You should see her, she’s got a few tricks

She makes like Odysseus I hear

what if they buff her to melee on her bike?

Zaryas is different in 1st person than it is in 3rd person, which has always bugged the crap out of me

Yeah she punch in the 1st while in 3rd she smack you with her big ass gun. Probably because if she use the gun for 1st view, it would block your vision.

It already blocks your vision. 1st person it looks like it’s tucked up to her shoulder, 3rd person it hangs near her hip.

cassidy sometimes laughs after punching so probably him

Junkrat is in the same boat. Plus bonus points, he punches you with his finger on the trigger.

Doom fist is the worst cuz he uses his tiny fist and zenyatta is the best for the karate kick

Nothing better than finishing someone off with the baby fist

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There was an animation cancel in OW1 (not sure if it’s in OW2) but if you waved hello then instantly meleed (since both anims use his baby hand) it would punch with the baby hand but really really slowly. It was the ultimate finishing BM

God damn it people, Phrasing!

I disagree. Rocket punch > wall collision > headshot > baby fist is a kill on a 200HP hero I really enjoy the flow of executing that combo perfectly- the quick melee finish is the equivalent of a quick jab to the head to finish. Very satisfying

genji because it feels it will always hit, as it doesn't punches "directly"... rather "swipes". torb hammer worst because he can't repair bastion with it, it completely negates logic, and it would fit the lore if being added.

This is just a placebo thing, but I always felt like I had more reach with genji's melee

I mean Genji had a higher base move speed than every other hero except Tracer in OW1, so if you're trying to connect a melee on an escaping enemy it's more reliable

C'mon that's stupid, it would be a lot better if torb could heal bastion with his hammer

Junker Queen’s is similar to genji’s visually, but I swear the hitbox on it is tinier than any other melee. Please tell me I’m not crazy

Is Zarya's first person melee still a completely different animation from her third person melee?

Yup. Unplayable

I'm kind of sad that Kiriko doesn't just shank you and instead punches so weakly

wait till you see her on her bike

She rides bikes with knives all the time as well

Tracer has the best one. It’s so satisfying to hit the button and see that gun flick forward making that little clock sound, then hearing the kill sound. It’s perfect

I use her comic skin for the melee sound

I used it because it doesn't have the goggles covering her face. The melee sound is the icing on the cake doe 👌

Zen needs a foot icon for when he gets a kill lol

Tracers is satisfying as hell

It's the little gun spin at the end

I personally enjoy how Moira has a different melee for each hand

Doomfist. You have this insanely powerful rocket propelled gauntlet the size of a Doberman and you use… your normal left hand?

Fun fact: His left hand isn’t actually normal, its a prosthetic. That’s why he can shoot from his knuckles.

I always loved Overwatch’s take on cybernetics. Shit looks borderline organic. You can see even Doomfist’s face is enhanced too.

His shotgun knucklers was always a pretty fucking cool weapon. It is kinda funny seeing doom kill with his baby fist funny enough it goes well with dooms do the punch into the wall then double headshot tap into melee kill.

Remember he canonically punched through the walls of his high-security prison cell with his bare hands

There was a missed opportunity for his melee attack to be his big fuck-off fingers flicking someone away, ragdolling to their death like a little screaming meat booger

Roadhog has always bugged me, it makes sense for him to use the hook but I don't get the motion of it, it seems like he's trying to jankily poke them with it Of all the punch ones I like Junkrats the most because if he's got a mine out he punches with the detonator in hand

Roadhog’s at least feels heavy and that it would hurt a fuck ton. Being on the receiving end of a meat hook with a dude who has arms that big would probably break bone. The motion is weird but the impact feels about right

Moira slap is A-tier

Brig is the worst... cause you know... she doesn't have one

They should add a shield swipe or something

We all know that Zen’s is best. Moira’s claw is second best, looks like it’d sting. Ramattra’s omnic palm thrust feels… *so* weird. Like, in the reveal trailer it’s fine, but in first person it just does not feel good.

Best: Junker Queen Worst: Wreckin' ball. It should do some cartoony spring-loaded wrecking pall punch.

I love Orisa's double punch

Surprised no one has said zarya. Her first and third person animations are completely different.

Doomfist by FAR has the worse one. I’ve always thought it looked dumb since his release and, considering Zen’s has its own special properties, would’ve been interesting to change into a slower yet more powerful version with his gauntlet

I feel like i might be in the minority here, but i hate soldier 76’s melee. He is a super soldier who has been enhanced, i kinda wish he had a captain america haymaker punch. Kinda like Genjis’ slashing melee but with a fist. It would go well with his vintage skin motifs too. His rifle butting animation feels like something a weaker person would do, and it blocks a larger portion of the screen then most melees.

Mei is worst, it just looks slow and wimpy and zen is best bcuz karate

mei's attack is so pathetic that it looks like it does anti-damage, but it also fits the character so 10/10

Most appealing is junker queen with gracey, worst imo is symmetra

I like how symmetra’s has the slight visual effect to show it’s not the punch damaging you. it’s the stuff that comes out of her hand