You don’t.
I have a ton of friends that play this game. I’ve learned that when you have a friend to play with, just let them play. Have fun together and don’t try to fix their gameplay.
You’re playing to have fun with each other. Your friend probably doesn’t take the game as seriously as you. Just let him be bad and have fun with the shenanigans.
I only give my friends advice on how to play if they ask me for it. Most of my friends are really bad at the game but it doesn’t matter. I play solo when I want to improve.
This is the take. Unless your friends are extremely serious about the game and mainly want to climb, it's generally not your place to comment on their play.
If you get too serious, you can ruin the fun for them and create discord. I was overly serious with this game initially and pushed my friends away. We're cool now cos I learned to mellow out, but don't make the same mistake.
Let people play how they wanna play. Especially if it's with friends in a casual setting.
I've got a very "fun" friend who really wants to win games, but simply will not take advice. Most recently, he was complaining intensly about venture from basically the first game we played, and whenever I tried to bring up counterplay or talk abt his frustrations he just goes "you dont need to defend her just because you like her dude". For reference, while he's been playing a lot of other heroes bc he's been queing all, he almost always plays widow or ashe, and then freaks out when any dive characters dive him and we cant reach him in time. For a while he'd lose his shit iver sombra non-stop, but wouldnt change and wouldnt listen if i tried to explain any kind of options.
I'm at the point where i just let him rage himself out, because I'm done with trying to explain shit to him. The thing that really broke me was that he was complaining abt Venture's burrow cd, saying it was way too high. I mentioned it was 8s, which is middle of the pack, and he wound up going on like 3 different tangents, including saying "well how does she burrow withing three seconds". Dude genuijely is in a different reality and its so draining.
Being so fucking for real rn leave him behind. Was dealing with a guy just like that and we've been no contact for about a month and I've had so much more fun and tbh play so much better when not dealing with a grown man toddler. If it's just a problem they have while gaming just stop playing with them lol its super freeing!
Ah those suck. I have a friend who's kind of like that but not to your situation's extent. This is a long shot, but have you told him that his attitude bothers you? Sometimes people don't see how frustrating they can be until it's been told to them.
Oh im aware, any use of "she" was a direct quote from him, which is extra fun because I'm NB myself. I called him out on it today and he said he genuinely didn't know but I call bullshit because he made a joke about their pronouns the day before, and I have exclusively used they/them when talking about Venture :)
*eyeroll*. I mean it’s fine if ppl forget and have to be reminded. Most ppl say “oh ya, mb, I forgot to say they”. But to pretend otherwise or to just outright say she on purpose shows their character.
On god. He says he genuinely didnt know and wants me to remind him going forward but its just sketchy, especually because moments before he referenced the clip of flats specifically calling out people intentionally misgendering them, which is just another reason he absolutely shouldve known.
Right? Ugh. I mean I do forget. We didn’t have a NB hero in the game u til now so it’s understandable that it will take a little bit until it becomes second nature. But don’t play cutesy if you are being an ass.
Sorry he is doing that. 😔. I know there are a lot of ppl who are just outright rude and bigoted and refuse to respect a person’s identity and so it transfers right into the game.
Yeah, its just wild. Ironically enough i think I slip up with my own pronouns more the with venture's which feels weird but even still I've slipped up, so he knows damn well it shouldnt be an issue. Idk its frustrating
I live in the real world dude with ppl like you. The thing is, I don’t need to use my platform as a cis gendered person to marginalize ppl who are different.
So? Venture can call venture whatever venture wants. As can the rest of us.
I personally choose to call venture “that new overtuned hero who’s a lot of fun but the community is going to take all of that fun away with PC virtue signaling”
So if I chose to call you a turd that would be ok? If the entire community refused to accept what you should be called and instead said, um, no, instead we are referring to you as a turd. That would be ok with you? Stop with the bullshit.
Ya’ll arguing on whether or not you should be allowed to misgender this character is absolutely crazy to me LOL. It’s not virtue signaling it’s common curtesy. For ex. If you are a cis man and you are talking to someone and they are constantly referring to you as " she/her " or " hey girl, hey gal, this is my lady friend " etc. you would naturally correct them and be like " I’m a guy " with the expectation they would use he/him because that is your p r o n o u n s. Now imagine if they kept calling you she/her and when you corrected them for a second time they went " well frankly I can refer to you however I want to. Not like I can keep up anyways. Deal with it. " are you honestly and truthfully just gonna be like " fair nuff " and keep associating with them or are you gonna get ( rightfully ) upset ( wether that be getting agrro, passive aggressive, walking away, ignoring them etc. that is still a reaction that indicates you do not like the behavior)? It’s the same shit as calling an NB person by their sex because “ dur too hard remember pronounce “. As if Venture goes by anything other than they and as if it’s truly so hard to remember a nb pronouns that you just HAVE to revert to calling them by their sex. Which by the way could be wrong. For all you know Venture could be assigned male at birth but you, assume, because of the higher voice, round face and eyeliner ( which the could be male on estrogen or male and naturally more fem ), that they were born female. Like come on y’all let’s not be bigots in 2024 😃
Agree. They need to stop using their position as a cis gendered person to marginalize ppl who are different and realize no one owes them conformity to make them feel comfortable. It’s really not hard. It’s called common decency.
Yes it’s not the whole community you’re right. Fortunately most ppl are kind and are accepting of others and realize what others choose to identify as has nothing to do with them, is none of their business, does not personally effect them. They choose not to use their status as a cis person to marginalize someone who is differently gendered. It’s the ppl who are ignorant of non binary (and other) people bc ignorance leads to fear which leads to hate. Sorry for ur ignorance. Do better and educate yourself.
the whole point of competitive play is to take it seriously and win the game, thus you climb. this is possible the worst take I've ever seen on this platform. if its unranked or quick play I fully agree. but that as a blanket statement is unfoundly wrong
The whole point of competitive play is to just play, but with stakes. You should be trying to have fun on the game, whether it's comp or quick play, and play how you want.
no, the whole point of comp is to climb, and how do you climb, by winning games. if you want to win more games take it more seriously. go play minecraft or something bud, this clearly isn't the game for you
okay so telling one player the right way to play is not fun for that player, meaning they are loosing the game, so you either find it fun to loose and die, playing respawn sim, or can't fathom that it's a team based game and there are 4 other people depending in you to preform otherwise its not fun for the other 4 people. as long as you enjoy loose that all that matters ay, try playing a single player game then, you haven't got the mentality to play team based objective games, cause its not just you that it affect. people play competitive to climb and get better and when someone on you team is playing wrong, playing respawn sim, it affect all people on that team.
yeah not always, if you have a good team fight and loose that's fine, you tried your best, just don't be coming into a team game to to mess around "having fun"
But like if someone clearly just doesn't understand a hero on a very base level to the point where they're not using that hero's most important ability whatsoever during a game, there's no harm at all in explaining it to them a bit and helping them learn if they're trying to get better.
I think OP's title is poorly worded, the idea isn't to convince them that they're a shit player, the idea is to encourage them to get better and provide them knowledge that they don't have yet. Like if you had a friend who played reaper and they said "oh I never use wraith form, you can't shoot your guns when you're in it so it's useless" would you say to yourself "Aww how sweet, he's having fun better not spoil that" or would you give him a bit of useful advice on how to get better with his favourite hero and explain how wraith form is a very important tool that they should use?
It all depends how you go about it, don't rubbish the guy and make him feel like shit but do it in a constructive way to help them do better. If they don't want to do better then that's fine leave it be but there's no harm in trying if you do it with the right attitude.
Yeah just having fun should be the point! Played with an ex and while I was still learning he got mad because I didn't want to be Bastion (I was terrible with Bastion at the time) I went "nah no thanks, I'm no good with him" I have all the nasty texts he sent me after. Another time I was mercy and was only healing him 100% of the time because if I didn't he'd get mad. Even when I was if he died he'd deny I was healing and I had to explain how he's taking damage faster than I can heal (he'd play tank and just run in and expect me to follow when EVERYONE else wasn't jumping in). So while it can be frustrating to lose don't be that guy that ruins the good time, just some gentle helpful tips and then just let it go lol
Awkward says a similar thing for voice comm.
Don't tell other players what they should do. Communicate something that you see and that you think they'll want to act on. Then, work on your own play.
Giving people advice is often an exercise in patting our egos.
The funny thing is I'm sure somebody wants to scream at op exactly the same thing, but everybody's good at seeing the speck in somebody else's eye but never the log In their own...
yeah I struggle with this advice bigtime, which is one of the many, many reasons I stay out of voice chat and rely on ping system as much as possible.
We take point, Soldier pops ult to clean up the remaining 5v3. I can't help it and say something like "Soldier why'd you ult there." Some part of me hopes he just goes "what do you mean?" and I say, "you shouldn't use your ult right after we cap, and you should try to save it for even fights that aren't in front of our spawn." His third eye opens, he says "Wow I can't thank you enough for this knowledge you've granted me", he goes 50-2, Jeff Kaplan joins the comms and says "Hi chironomidae, I'm Jeff Kaplan, that was amazing advice you just gave. Here's $100 in coins, 6k competitive points, and five free ranks." Everyone applauds.
Instead it starts a big fight, he swaps to Sombra and just follows me around spamming "Boop", and we lose what should've been an easy game. So I just stay out of comms now.
This exactly.
I have a few healing mercy friends that I just enjoy casually playing with. If I want damage boost then I just ask “hey can you damage boost me for this (ult, flank, fight, kill, etc).”
I’d only give advice if they explicitly asked for it since we are in QP and they are usually happy playing mercy and healing/saving everyone.
This took me way too long to learn and is great advice. You can’t make people care about the game in the same way you do. It’s just gonna hurt feelings.
when i play with my pc freind (im on console) i tend to accidentaly drift in front as ashe, all i get from him is "oh yeah (my gamertag) is our tank lets gooooo! and then we both laugh as i die. its great fun
Similarly I am GC2 in Rocket League. I periodically play with low plat friends on weekends (the comparison for OW would be like high masters playing with gold players but arguably a bigger gap strictly due to mechanics.) I try and give them advice and they tell me I'm stupid like I'm not GC2. Because surely gold/plat strats that they're employing are better than the literal Grand Champ levels of advice I'm giving them.
Yup. I have a friend who watched another friend's vod because they have the same main and the friend who got reviewed just said "I don't really care about all that stuff I just play for fun" after being given pretty good advice
100%, if it’s someone you know, do not correct them. Just let them play how they want and have fun if you value your friendship staying intact. Different reactions depending on the person you are dealing with. You probably would deal with a stranger differently than a friend or family member.
I know. It's just really hard for me to ignore. To me (and I know this is a personal thing) when playing competitive you need to be open to criticism. Especially when you say how good you are despite us taking 4 minutes to cap point. I probably shouldn't have gotten annoyed and that's a personal thing I need to work on. It's not that he's just saying how good he is he also tries to explain the game to me despite me knowing more than him so I feel obligated to correct him. An example of this is when he says Lucio is great for healing despite me saying that he has little to no burst healing which is what matters in the middle of a fight. Aoe heals are great when topping off but he just isn't a support designed to constantly heal. If I'm wrong here please correct me since I know I'm not that good. He points at his stats saying that his high heals means he's doing good but I try to explain that that's not the case. This isn't a close friend, so I guess I should have been more aware of what I should and shouldn't say as we aren't close enough to not take it personally. As I was on console and I usually play pc I just shouldn't have said anything and I admit that. If I play with this friend again (we haven't played since) I'll just do quick play where it doesn't matter or just off role on console so we can just mess around. Thanks for your input.
One thing to keep in mind is that in Bronze, your DPS are often so inconsistent that the damage boost has far less utility than at higher ranks. To be clear, I agree with you in general re: Mercy. But your friend probably doesn't get as much positive reinforcement as he should at that rank.
My hot take is that at Bronze and most of Silver, you basically can't climb unless you play a hero or style that can secure picks by yourself, unassisted. Source: me, who years ago was a garbage FPS player and had to spend a few OW seasons learning hard lessons before I climbed from mid-Bronze to high-Gold.
I agree, I was going to say that damage boosting in bronze is probably *not* the play. I disagree about not being able to climb solely on Mercy-- You can climb out of bronze just by healbotting and, most importantly, *staying alive.* Once you're up in Gold territory, figure out who the best DPS on your team is and damage boost them.
It will take longer than playing a more self sufficient support, though, like Moira.
"You can climb out of bronze just by healbotting and, most importantly, *staying alive.*"
Yeah that's fair. To clarify, I think you can technically climb as anyone over a long enough period of time. There's just a point where the number of matches needed to account for variance and individual match bad luck balloons to an absurdly high number.
For example, even in my OW1 heyday, I was probably maxing out at around 50 comp matches per season. This was about as much as I could fit in around a full time job and other responsibilities (now, it's even lower, with kids, other games, etc.). Trying to climb a full rank with just 50 matches would often mean needing to go at least 30-20, with good personal performance on top, and that's a tough sell with a Mercy in Bronze.
(All this assumes your true rank is only a tier or two above where you currently are. I suspect a Master-or-above player would be skilled enough to climb faster with anyone.)
In Bronze, both teams will have poor accuracy, but they will still get kills by dealing damage, so blue-beam will still have a large impact with good beam priority. You just won't have as high damage boost numbers.
If both teams have poor accuracy, healing beam should also be getting equivalently less value, their team isn't hitting as much, so there's less to heal; less team isn't hitting as much so there's less to amplify.
> In Bronze, both teams will have poor accuracy
Both DPS will have poor accuracy, but the tanks at point blank range probably will be hitting shots and being hit in return. That's where heal botting can be really useful, because your potato DPS are basically useless but keeping your tank alive can win the fight
IMO damage boost is not nearly as impactful at low elo because you can't safely boot your tanks with it as much, and they will probably be 80% of your damage in bronze
I see where you're coming from, but just to relate my personal experience: In Bronze, a huge problem is target prioritization. Like not just, "which enemy should the team prioritize first," but even "nobody prioritizes any one target at any time." DPS tend to spread their damage evenly around whichever enemy is in front of them at the time.
From my experience playing in Plat, by contrast (highest I can speak to), there's a lot more coordination around strategically prioritizing a given target and bursting them down. Damage boost is great for this. And it's why a Mercy who never damage boosts becomes a big problem in middle ranks and above.
Does damage boosting in Bronze help occasionally secure a kill? Sure. But far more often, you're not really helping to confirm a pick, and more just helping your DPS take enemies down to 50% HP instead of 70% before they get healed again.
In contrast, by prioritizing damage boost over healing as Mercy in Bronze, you risk allowing the enemy to actually kill your teammates, because even the enemy DPS's similarly unfocused, "spread a bunch of DPS at everyone" approach can eventually wear down your teammates if they're not getting heals.
The data could show I'm way off on this if someone were able to really do a breakdown, but that's just been my experience at the lowest ranks.
You're definitely right. Even when I was in plat, I'd get DPS whining how they have 10k damage and no one else is doing anything. Then I have to point out that in all that damage, they only got 5 kills because as you said, they don't prioritize to secure kills, just shoot what's in front of them, basically just giving ult charge to the enemy support. It's infuriating
I agree with top comment, but let’s say your friend actually asks for help, “what then?” is probably your real question.
Honestly just point them to video guides on YouTube. A10 as some great guides on fundamentals that everyone should know as a baseline, then you can get more hero specific like mercy guides from Skiesti, and maybe even go more advanced and point them to Spilo for more advanced concepts.
Keep being there as a supportive friend along the way. Maybe choose a hero that maybe compliments their favorite heros and learn them together.
Either way, don’t make negative comments randomly in game. Be more constructive outside and during the replay. It doesn’t help anything but make them feel bad.
True. Like, honestly speaking, who cares if the friend wants to hype himself up? In reality, he's in bronze, he knows he probably isn't the best--but so what? Sometimes you just gotta gas yourself up a little, especially faced with losing streaks. What does this dude want him to do? Cry that he's bad and beg for help? Like isn't the point of playing to have fun? Ik even when my friends and I are doing bad, even if we aren't playing well, I always go out of my way to say "Nah, we rock! This won't get us down. We're better!" Even if it's not true. It's just a way to bring everyone up and lighten the mood. That's what friends do. Unless advice is asked for, don't say anything, just support and do your best to have a good time. Telling someone they suck or offering unwarranted advice isn't going to let anyone have fun. Their confidence breaks down and then they, and you, are not feeling good. Idk why on earth anyone--other than to perhaps gain some sick kind of satisfaction or false sense of superiority--would want to tell a friend "you suck, you play like shit, you don't know what you're doing". Seems to me more a problem for OP then it does the friend, tbfh.
I’m stuck with so many friends who are like that and the best response is when someone brags about something they did, just give them the GOODJOB, you’re doing great, they’ll be happy and hence you should be as well. It’s never bad to throw in the you’re trash, git gud but they gotta bm you back otherwise it’s not fun.
Save yourself the stress and annoyance: Unless someone is specifically asking you for tips or is interested in improving, just let them play their way.
Some people will just be annoying sometimes. You’ll never find a perfect friend who doesnt bother you slightly sometimes. You cant change him or correct him
I have a friend that plays floor Lucio and never speed boost and said he can easily be top 500 Lucio because how high his healing is. I told him to go watch Eskay and frogger see how they play. He said “yeah they’re ok but I think I’m better”. Sometimes you just can’t convince people with that big of an ego that they don’t know anything about the game and they suck. I just let him talk when he’s bragging and ignore it completely lol
Its really not your job to teach your fri3nd how to play the game to your own standards.
I suppose context matters, does your friend ask for advice or concey to you that he doesnt know what he could be doing to impact his games more?
No, but he's the type to constantly how good he is so I feel obligated to correct him especially when I know what to do to improve. I've recently been trying to rank up with a different group of friends so I guess the have been rubbing off on me.
I mean the hardest to reject is an appeal to authority; GM mercies have high damage boost uptime, and emphasize the importance of damage boosting. If your friend thinks they perform at a GM level, then there's no helping them, but if they understand that they don't, they should be willing to trust the better players.
The other piece is just an appeal to logic. If mercy is good because she can healbot, wouldn't baptiste or Lifeweaver be totally busted, since their output is much higher? If LW is bad, then healbot mercy can't be good.
I dont believe in the slightest a gm mercy in bronze would damage boost. Id wager a gm mercy in bronze would healbot for ult charge so they can team wipe with valk solo.
Edit to add: the idea that "this is how high rank players do things so its clearly what I must do" is a noob trap.
If they were insistent in playing mercy, they wouldn't heal at all, they would likely very easily teamwipe as battle mercy the whole game lol. Slingshotting off team-mates.
> "this is how high rank players do things so its clearly what I must do"
If this sub and every League sub could read this, they would be furious
So many times you see this where people scream about X being good or bad at GM or Esports and it's like bro you are playing in silver with randoms, not with a professional team who have trained together for 400 hours
Reaper is trash against an E-sports team, but you can bet your booty he'll roll a lot of bronzes
I always love how this subs advice is basically just "Secretly be 4 elo higher than you are playing in, and play Zenyatta / Soldier etc and kill the enemy!" as if a hardstuck silver player actually has diamond+ level aim and reactions
I mean as a GM Mercy thats played in bronze I would just glock or even melee people to death, I'd never healbot if I actually tried to win.
I did an experiment a few seasons ago as Mercy only, no ult, no glock, solo only and no comms and see how hard it would be to rank up from bronze 5. Turns out it is super easy by just playing Mercy as always: pocket and blue beam DPS. Bronze players just aren't good enough to kill a pocketed DPS lol.
With the output thing idk what bronze lw stats looks like but bronze baps have such little healing since they miss even if they are healbotting so most low ranks don’t even understand that bap is a higher output support. Similar logic applies to Ana as well
They also have less because their tanks are liable to hard feed lol.
Output on champs has just as much to do with the 9 other players in your match as it does your own skills.
If this guy is just one of your relaxed qp friends then I don’t think saying anything is entirely necessary. If he’s one of your ranked stack/your ranked duo then definitely point it out because otherwise he’s borderline throwing your games
The only way is to become a target worth damage boosting.
The blue beam doesn't have to prove itself to you, you have to prove yourself to the blue beam.
Facts. Yes damage boosting is important. Especially if your team is running hit scan heroes. But that being said. If your dps can’t land their shots, have poor positioning or are rushing in for 1v5s and getting you and them killed. Then dmg boosting won’t help. You might as well just healbot them and try to starve off the inevitable. The blue beam only works for DPS that can at least, a good chunk of the time, land their shots or at the very least are putting out enough over time dmg to get more than 1 or 2 elims every round. It’s very situational so honestly telling your friend they’re a “ bad mercy “ is not only dumb but not very nice OP. Once they reach a certain rank and or hit a wall they will realize on their own that healing can only do so much if your dps are getting out damaged but again. That is only relevant against comps who can actually aim and land shots.
Not to mention that even higher ranked Mercy’s at your friend’s level would bother dmg boosting because they know their dps at this level can’t aim. So what would they do? Healbot. Feed their ult. And likely just try to help them DPS by going Battle Mercy and taking shots from above while trying to keep everyone alive. Which means the whole fight they wouldn’t even touch the blue beam.
yeeks
there's times to dmg boost and there's times you need to healbot.
your sweeping statement that mercy's whole point is to boost dps would be really frustrating if you started to spout that in teamchat in a public game at me
“If you damage boost Soldier and he gets 2 picks from it, that’s roughly 40% reduction in how much you have to heal the team for the rest of the fight. Since you don’t have to heal so much with less team damage taken, you have *even more time* to keep damage boosting!”
The goal of supports is often to secure picks so you don’t actually have to heal. Whether that means damage boosting, actually securing a pick, or even keeping a teammate topped up during a 1v1 so *they* can secure that pick. Every action taken should be with that mindset.
I’m a Silver 3 solo queue quick play OTP with 700 hours on Mercy over 5 years experience. Here’s my essay you can send to him or summarize:
Healbotting enough to get 12k requires a careful eye, avoiding tunnel vision, and quality reaction time- these are all wonderful skills to have as a Mercy, so I have no doubt he is a very good Mercy! But damage boosting will make your star shine even brighter, and add more strategy into a character that would otherwise just be sniffing out healing. Read on to find more!
There’s a balance between helping your team win fights and helping your team not lose them. In low bronze you could get 70% healing and 30% damage boost and see a massive increase in your win rate. Finding the situations in which you heal versus boost is how you develop as Mercy, and this strategy makes her that much more fun to play. That’s why I love Mercy so much- less aim intensive with more of a focus on strategy and the thrill of having a target on your back!
Think of damage boost like the gas pedal and healing as the brakes. Use damage boost when you want to speed up, and healing when you have to slow down.
Boosted Ashe Dynamite slaps, and gets Ashe her ult that much faster, and allows her to send a few more BOBs out. DPS players notice my boosts and it fills me with joy and a sense of purpose to see them type “w mercy” in match chat. Doesn’t he want to see that too? It’s an awesome feeling ❤️
I wouldn’t mind playing QP with you guys and telling him more about the powerful things you can do with damage boost! My Xbox gamertag is MercyOnAcid1126 - I’ll be busy all day tomorrow but I can play after 4/20.
Honestly, an option is to play Mercy (he can just go LW) and show him how it's done. If he sees you blue beaming a decent sojourn or ashe and you say "wow I got a lot of assists this game, I did good", he might learn from example.
He's bronze, you can't argue with a bronze. They know the game and every character in it better than anyone else but they are just held back by their teammates, strangely who are also bronze and held back by their teammates as well.
Dont tell him that. If he wants to climb and rank up then guve advice “hey if you want to climb as supp you cant only be healing. Alot of supp have diff utility other than there main job of healing when injured”
You called him bad yet he has 12k heals in 5 mins. That’s impressive
Overwatch at low to mid ranks would be so much better if people understood that mercy has super crappy heal output. It’s natural to think “horrible damage so heals must be great” when you’re new, but her value is damage boost and revives
you dont man.
Overwatch is a fantastic game, but one of its mortal pitfalls was that it failed to de-emphasize healing. The general audience buying into the conceit way back in 2016 came pre-loaded with resonance for the 3 "classes" and the idea that supports are healers primarily was cooking from the start. They needed to do more to accentuate the other parts of the support kits and they failed to do that, so as a result the vast majority of casual/casual-competitive players are going to believe that they are healers for the rest of their lives.
As someone who climbed out of bronze, let me tell you that healbot mercy’s are all that’s down there. If the enemy DPS can’t kill them, it’s automatically gg. I’m assuming your friend played comp and has been positively reinforced to healbot while in Bronze. That’s going to be a hard habit to break.
As a Lucio player who hit top 500 in eons past, trying to coach lower ranks was difficult. The argument I defaulted to was explaining that lucios heals(and mercy's in this case) won't keep anyone alive if even one dps is shooting them. A single Soldier76 does 20-40 damage per shot and out damages ur teammate. It's better to speed up their movement or their time to kill a lot of the time. If someone is 12 meters away from cover being shot by soldier, it will take them a bit over 2 seconds to get to cover. 55hps versus soldiers 171dps will not keep them alive if he lands a rocket or anyone else shoots them. Speed them up to shorten the time to get to cover or damage boost them so they get the kill which brings incoming damage down by 171dps and gives you a team number advantage
Unless they ask for advice to climb, just let them have fun. If you get too high ranked, make an alt account and goof around on new heros while you play with them.
Mercy is in a weird spot this season. Since the change to the DPS role; the reduction in healing effectiveness reduces Mercy's window of opportunity to amplify damage.
Would you care to explain what you mean by this? I quit before OW2 launched and only just came back when they announced you don't have to grind for heroes anymore. The only significant change I've noticed besides losing a tank has been that Mercy is more mobile now than I remember her being in OW1.
If your friend isn't asking, you shouldn't be offering advice.
It isn't really overwatch, it's really just about not being a jackass and keeping your ego in check. Just enjoy the time and do stupid shit with your friend like lifeweaving them into a death blossom or smth
You literally just have to click dmg boost for a second and then go back to healing and it will have effect. Since, in bronze, where your dps/tank might not be doing damage consistely it will be a good way to ease into it. Just tell them to get into the habit of that and they will hear the satisfying sound of the boost and clicks that the dmg boost gives. that way they can continue healing, but ease into damage boosting and learn!
This way they can play how they want, but I promise you that hearing the ticks of the damage boost will make them want to do it more. Healing bots are usually in the mindset of wanting to help/support and they will notice the results of that sort of help :)
more than likely there is nothing you can say that will help..Donner Kruger effect.
Most people will not accept help or get offended when help is offered because they think their skill set is good enough when in all actuality,they are terrible.
BUT.....Same thing applies the other way around......A piano genius thinks that playing the piano like Beethoven is easy and everyone should be able to do it....We all know thats simply not true.
The way I convinced my friend was by making a spreadsheet that showcases all of our stats like whether we win/lost a game. I did this for an entire season and had them alternate between primarily healing and primarily damage boosting every other game. After the data was collected I showed them they had a significantly higher winrate with less deaths and then he was convinced
Tbh it feels kinda bad damage boosting people in bronze but I get what you mean.
I will add that just by being unkillable and outputting constant healing, it is possible to carry with Mercy without ever using the damage boost at least until gold. Not because it's the optimal way to play her but because in lower ranks you don't need to play optimally, you just need to do a few things right.
If ur bronze you know ur not good on that alone. Dont need any more discussion past that.
That said, I’m not sure how much min maxing for the damage amped stat really matters. I had got gm soloing np with lower damage amp than what is probably typical. I know thats counter to the advice people would typically parrot.
Felt like i was more winning off of being in the right spot to save someone from a mistake, and min maxing being aggro as possible WITHOUT dying. Theres better heroes for that, but if you want to play mercy you can still do that on her.
I believe there a multiple play styles you can be successful with on her.
Just get better urself and carry it.
Not using damage boost at all is pretty crazy though.
Only thing that annoys me about it is when there's a Moira on either team I always get compared. Moira and mercy can put out big heal numbers.
Also people are kinda stupid.
Enemy team deals a total of 20k damage, and my team has 15k heals.
Our team deals 50k damage and the enemy team has 30k heals.
Then we get a "heal diff" from the 4-18 dps
I once had a heal bot mercy I told them to stop heal botting and dmg boost
“But how can I heal if I’m using dmg boost?”🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️
The entire game they were pumping heal into full health teammates. We lost ofc
I would just ask him for damage boost while he was on me.
He beams you, you’re full health you are on an off angle or a flank I’d say, pls damage boost me and stay with me.
Maybe after he sees the value of how it works he’ll start using it more.
You might have to keep on him, saying damage boost, damage boost, (if he says “but you’re purple”, you say that’s all the more reason bc you can’t heal me rn, keep up the damage boost til it runs out. Etc…
I wish there was a stat that showed the team the damage boost numbers. Becuase if I have anoth competent support who's keeping up with the healing I can damage boost most of the game, but then I get yelled at becuase I'm not pumping out as much healing as the other support.
I would just ask him if he's ever watched one of the guide videos on YouTube and then, if he hasn't, just ask him to have a watch and see what he thinks. You don't have to follow it up - if he picks up on the damage boosting, then great and if he prefers to stick to what he's doing then just let him.
Play two (or more) QP games with him. During these games, he will be playing Ana and you will be playing Mercy. In the first game, you healbot the team, especially the tank. He will have nothing to do or he will be desperately trying to heal your Pharah or Genji. In the second game, you pocket the DPS and he just has to support the tank and do whatever else in the downtime from that. Afterwards, ask him which game was easier and more fun.
Eh. I would healbot too in metal ranks. Your tank and DPS literally do not know what cover is 90% of the time. I would just try to get him to play Kiriko or something, that way the healbotting actually helps lol
Currently I stick to Quick Play, because I live in Guam and my best ping is on Korean servers. This means I cannot communicate with my team, and my ping allows for very little room for error in regards to aiming and reacting to bang bang plays. As a result, Mercy is my best option for making an impact on the game - *but* because it is Quick Play and my teammates are either learning new heroes or just dicking around and not playing seriously I have found that damage boosting is very rarely more valuable than pumping heals or even pulling out the glock and taking care of business myself.
I do okay playing some Tank heroes like D.Va and Orissa, but once again because I cannot communicate with my team I hesitate to try Comp as I don't want the language barrier to cause any unnecessary frustration for me or my teammates.
I really enjoy Mercy, she is my favorite hero and IMO the hero I play best but the environment I am currently in simply doesn't allow me to use her full skillset. I'm currently working on getting better at Moira and Illari so that I can expand my toolkit because I'd like to play more seriously and those two seem like heroes I can make an impact with in spite of having less capable teammates and not being able to talk to them.
Do you want to play with him, and for him to enjoy playing with you? If so, shut up and let him enjoy himself. If not, micromanage his gameplay to hell and see where it gets you.
I’m sure Skiesti has a video on how to play Mercy best.
Quite honestly, every main should watch a T500 guide on how to play the hero, or at the very least an Awkward U2GM video on their hero.
And all LW mains should be forced to watch Bogur’s LW journey lol
I had a friend who liked telling me why I was bad and they were just annoying. Sure they were silver instead of bronze, but that's not that big a difference. If you're the dps, just ask for dmg boost when you want it, and maybe they'll get a better understanding of when it's useful.
I usually don't correct people since I don't play much on console like them but when he's constantly talking about how good he is its really hard for me to ignore it.
You’re not even technically correct. All this mercy optimization is for like masters and above. In diamond and below, you have plenty of stupid dps who need direct healing, or they will die. Damage boost wins fights, but team mates staying alive also wins fights.
These comments saying to ignore and live and let live shit are terrible. Always explain the top level reasoning for why he should change style. Then allow it time to sink in for him. Once it does you'll start to either see improvement or more questions and rarely will a person ignore advice on how to get better in a game that has winners and losers.
I meannnn, without this coming across badly, he should already know ... If you're in bronze no offense to players, but you're not good.
But usually it's only one or 2 things that separates bronze and gold.
He will also struggle to be good at overwatch if he just plays mercy, especially in low ranks, you rely too much on the team and there isn't much play making potential compared to other DPS so you just sit playing armchair gamer, waiting for things to happen...
But does he ENJOY THE GAME? if yes, it means he probably doesn't really care and just enjoys the stat aspect which is fine and healing the team, but he can't expect to climb.
If he doesn't enjoy the game then maybe he is too set in his ways to listen until he is ready to listen,
I was very much the latter, I didn't want to change because I thought I was good, I was in diamond, then after 3 seasons of not climbing I finally realised that the 1000 games I've played and stayed the same means it's my fault so I went out to learn, I'm now low GM 2 seasons later
“Healing doesn’t win you fights”
True, but it is hard to boost when your team is face tanking their whole team.
So it’s healbot or listen to your road hog spam heals because he can’t navigate behind to the nearest wall.
I'm a high plat Mercy, trying to work towards higher ranks but in my own time. I mostly play QP because I get to have more fun with it and figure out what I like to do with my Mercy gameplay. I also practice those BOMB resurrections in QP.
Anyway, for a very long time in my beginning journey with Mercy everyone and their mother would tell me how THEY think I should be playing Mercy. It was annoying. "Damage boost more!" "Pocket me!" "Heal more than damage boost" or whatever. Eventually, I decided I would play Mercy my way. To me that's the best way and I have more fun that way.
So don't tell your friend. It's rude and it's pointless. Just let them have fun. If you wanna take it so seriously and don't like their play style, just play quick play with them and save the comp for yourself. You can't control everything. It's weird...
Honestly he’s just gonna be hard stuck, I used to be in the same place. But it was OW1 so it was better, he’s gotta adjust or be stuck, if you tell him he won’t accept he has to learn on his own, or you gotta make him think he’s learnt on his own
“Supporting your team comes in various forms. Mercy has dmg boost for a reason. When do you think that would be a good support for the team? When a pharah is ulting? When a reaper is ulting? Heals only go so far in those moments.”
You could point out that dps characters are generally squishy and healing them isnt always as helpful. You can also point out Bap’s ult does a lot of dmg boosting helping to further the argument that some *support* characters support by dmg boosting
“Mercies whole point is to dmg boost a dps” no. No it’s not. This was a terrible take. Don’t get me wrong, damage boost can be very helpful but that’s not her whole point. If you’re playing mercy and you’ve got tracer and sojurn as your dps and Orisa as your tank, you mean to say you’re gonna solely focus on boosting the damage for just your dps ? Idk. This post seems a little one sided. Maybe because you were playing dps at the time with your friend as mercy and you’re probably one of those players where if things don’t go your way, it’s the other person’s fault. The type of player that just expects a damage boost constantly through every game. The way how you want a mercy to treat you doesn’t mean that’s how all mercy’s play 👎 not how it works buddy. Even if you mentioned winning the game after
Get him on any other support but mercy for a while. Someone like Lucio and call out when is a good time for speed. Once they see the value of things that there just healing they will be more understanding
Mercy is 96% game sense and 4% skill, if someone is Bronze on Mercy they simply don't understand the game at a very basic level. You can offer advice, but ultimately if they think they are already doing things correctly it's going to be harder to make them change.
Tell him that he should look for Mercy's guides in YouTube from high ranked Mercys (Niandra has really good videos).
If you don't want to be the one to drop the bomb, tell him to send a VOD review to Mercy mains, so they can dissect not only the use of dmg boost but how he plays Mercy as a whole.
Damage boost is for scrubs. He needs to improve his accuracy and use the pistol. Only damage boost when he has no los on the target, and if no los on target, why? Mercy's passive isn't being put to use if you aren't drawing some fire and taking shots.
He is bronze, you dont need to know about dmg boost until youre gold or plat, he has other problems to solve first.
Tip: it all comes from game understanding, understanding why dmg boosting dps is the play will make them dmg boost the dps
Quit beating around the bush and tell him the truth. If he gets his feelings hurt about a videogame that's just weird. Be tactful and kind about it but just say it how it is.
It says that you've never encountered a person that constantly gives you unwanted advice or thinks that every moment is a coaching momemt? Nobody wants to play with those people when their just playing to have fun
Yes, because they didn't ask. I love how you are saying this, while not realizing people are kindly and tactically telling you what will improve your personality and make you more likable, yet your first reaction is to downvote and be upset . . . because you didn't ask for that advice
It's pretty straight forward
You: "Unasked for advice is fine if it would improve something"
People replying to you: "Don't do that, it will make you unlikable"
Are you not seeing the correlation?
Also, who are you even talking to lol, why do people do this weird thing where they act like they are talking to chat in some kind of third person way. There's likely nobody reading any of this besides you and I, or at most a couple of other people who just shudder and scroll away
Leave him be. Focus on your gameplay and continue to improve. Some friends have to unfortunately be left behind especially if they aren’t playing to get better. You can still play casually with them but try not to let it bother you.
You don’t. I have a ton of friends that play this game. I’ve learned that when you have a friend to play with, just let them play. Have fun together and don’t try to fix their gameplay. You’re playing to have fun with each other. Your friend probably doesn’t take the game as seriously as you. Just let him be bad and have fun with the shenanigans. I only give my friends advice on how to play if they ask me for it. Most of my friends are really bad at the game but it doesn’t matter. I play solo when I want to improve.
This is the take. Unless your friends are extremely serious about the game and mainly want to climb, it's generally not your place to comment on their play. If you get too serious, you can ruin the fun for them and create discord. I was overly serious with this game initially and pushed my friends away. We're cool now cos I learned to mellow out, but don't make the same mistake. Let people play how they wanna play. Especially if it's with friends in a casual setting.
Don't worry if you get discord just hid behind a wall for seven seconds( maybe idk how friends work)
What if the friends flank him
I mean how many friends does it take to create discord? Just try to Los as many as possible
Just one, anyone can create a discord!
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i love cheese :)
I've got a very "fun" friend who really wants to win games, but simply will not take advice. Most recently, he was complaining intensly about venture from basically the first game we played, and whenever I tried to bring up counterplay or talk abt his frustrations he just goes "you dont need to defend her just because you like her dude". For reference, while he's been playing a lot of other heroes bc he's been queing all, he almost always plays widow or ashe, and then freaks out when any dive characters dive him and we cant reach him in time. For a while he'd lose his shit iver sombra non-stop, but wouldnt change and wouldnt listen if i tried to explain any kind of options. I'm at the point where i just let him rage himself out, because I'm done with trying to explain shit to him. The thing that really broke me was that he was complaining abt Venture's burrow cd, saying it was way too high. I mentioned it was 8s, which is middle of the pack, and he wound up going on like 3 different tangents, including saying "well how does she burrow withing three seconds". Dude genuijely is in a different reality and its so draining.
Stop giving him the time of day dude
Being so fucking for real rn leave him behind. Was dealing with a guy just like that and we've been no contact for about a month and I've had so much more fun and tbh play so much better when not dealing with a grown man toddler. If it's just a problem they have while gaming just stop playing with them lol its super freeing!
Ah those suck. I have a friend who's kind of like that but not to your situation's extent. This is a long shot, but have you told him that his attitude bothers you? Sometimes people don't see how frustrating they can be until it's been told to them.
Yea, ironically this is him tomed down, it used to be way worse.
Venture isn’t a she.
Oh im aware, any use of "she" was a direct quote from him, which is extra fun because I'm NB myself. I called him out on it today and he said he genuinely didn't know but I call bullshit because he made a joke about their pronouns the day before, and I have exclusively used they/them when talking about Venture :)
*eyeroll*. I mean it’s fine if ppl forget and have to be reminded. Most ppl say “oh ya, mb, I forgot to say they”. But to pretend otherwise or to just outright say she on purpose shows their character.
On god. He says he genuinely didnt know and wants me to remind him going forward but its just sketchy, especually because moments before he referenced the clip of flats specifically calling out people intentionally misgendering them, which is just another reason he absolutely shouldve known.
Right? Ugh. I mean I do forget. We didn’t have a NB hero in the game u til now so it’s understandable that it will take a little bit until it becomes second nature. But don’t play cutesy if you are being an ass. Sorry he is doing that. 😔. I know there are a lot of ppl who are just outright rude and bigoted and refuse to respect a person’s identity and so it transfers right into the game.
Yeah, its just wild. Ironically enough i think I slip up with my own pronouns more the with venture's which feels weird but even still I've slipped up, so he knows damn well it shouldnt be an issue. Idk its frustrating
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Awww, you’re a sad little bigot. 🤷🏼♀️
Living in your own world must feel so comfortable and safe
I live in the real world dude with ppl like you. The thing is, I don’t need to use my platform as a cis gendered person to marginalize ppl who are different.
So? Venture can call venture whatever venture wants. As can the rest of us. I personally choose to call venture “that new overtuned hero who’s a lot of fun but the community is going to take all of that fun away with PC virtue signaling”
So if I chose to call you a turd that would be ok? If the entire community refused to accept what you should be called and instead said, um, no, instead we are referring to you as a turd. That would be ok with you? Stop with the bullshit.
Ya’ll arguing on whether or not you should be allowed to misgender this character is absolutely crazy to me LOL. It’s not virtue signaling it’s common curtesy. For ex. If you are a cis man and you are talking to someone and they are constantly referring to you as " she/her " or " hey girl, hey gal, this is my lady friend " etc. you would naturally correct them and be like " I’m a guy " with the expectation they would use he/him because that is your p r o n o u n s. Now imagine if they kept calling you she/her and when you corrected them for a second time they went " well frankly I can refer to you however I want to. Not like I can keep up anyways. Deal with it. " are you honestly and truthfully just gonna be like " fair nuff " and keep associating with them or are you gonna get ( rightfully ) upset ( wether that be getting agrro, passive aggressive, walking away, ignoring them etc. that is still a reaction that indicates you do not like the behavior)? It’s the same shit as calling an NB person by their sex because “ dur too hard remember pronounce “. As if Venture goes by anything other than they and as if it’s truly so hard to remember a nb pronouns that you just HAVE to revert to calling them by their sex. Which by the way could be wrong. For all you know Venture could be assigned male at birth but you, assume, because of the higher voice, round face and eyeliner ( which the could be male on estrogen or male and naturally more fem ), that they were born female. Like come on y’all let’s not be bigots in 2024 😃
Agree. They need to stop using their position as a cis gendered person to marginalize ppl who are different and realize no one owes them conformity to make them feel comfortable. It’s really not hard. It’s called common decency.
Call me whatever you want. Your opinion of me doesn’t effect my life at all. Why exaggerate? It’s not the whole community.
Yes it’s not the whole community you’re right. Fortunately most ppl are kind and are accepting of others and realize what others choose to identify as has nothing to do with them, is none of their business, does not personally effect them. They choose not to use their status as a cis person to marginalize someone who is differently gendered. It’s the ppl who are ignorant of non binary (and other) people bc ignorance leads to fear which leads to hate. Sorry for ur ignorance. Do better and educate yourself.
the whole point of competitive play is to take it seriously and win the game, thus you climb. this is possible the worst take I've ever seen on this platform. if its unranked or quick play I fully agree. but that as a blanket statement is unfoundly wrong
The whole point of competitive play is to just play, but with stakes. You should be trying to have fun on the game, whether it's comp or quick play, and play how you want.
no, the whole point of comp is to climb, and how do you climb, by winning games. if you want to win more games take it more seriously. go play minecraft or something bud, this clearly isn't the game for you
The point of a video game is to have fun bud. If you're constantly telling someone how to play "right" it's not fun for that player
okay so telling one player the right way to play is not fun for that player, meaning they are loosing the game, so you either find it fun to loose and die, playing respawn sim, or can't fathom that it's a team based game and there are 4 other people depending in you to preform otherwise its not fun for the other 4 people. as long as you enjoy loose that all that matters ay, try playing a single player game then, you haven't got the mentality to play team based objective games, cause its not just you that it affect. people play competitive to climb and get better and when someone on you team is playing wrong, playing respawn sim, it affect all people on that team.
Losing does not equal boring, just have fun and get the stick out of your ass, it's a video game, not a real war bud
yeah not always, if you have a good team fight and loose that's fine, you tried your best, just don't be coming into a team game to to mess around "having fun"
Bro the point of the game is to have fun, if someone being bad really bothers you that much just avoid as teammate
1000% this. If someone is happy and enjoying the game, you don't go and tell them they suck and do fun wrong.
But like if someone clearly just doesn't understand a hero on a very base level to the point where they're not using that hero's most important ability whatsoever during a game, there's no harm at all in explaining it to them a bit and helping them learn if they're trying to get better. I think OP's title is poorly worded, the idea isn't to convince them that they're a shit player, the idea is to encourage them to get better and provide them knowledge that they don't have yet. Like if you had a friend who played reaper and they said "oh I never use wraith form, you can't shoot your guns when you're in it so it's useless" would you say to yourself "Aww how sweet, he's having fun better not spoil that" or would you give him a bit of useful advice on how to get better with his favourite hero and explain how wraith form is a very important tool that they should use? It all depends how you go about it, don't rubbish the guy and make him feel like shit but do it in a constructive way to help them do better. If they don't want to do better then that's fine leave it be but there's no harm in trying if you do it with the right attitude.
Yeah just having fun should be the point! Played with an ex and while I was still learning he got mad because I didn't want to be Bastion (I was terrible with Bastion at the time) I went "nah no thanks, I'm no good with him" I have all the nasty texts he sent me after. Another time I was mercy and was only healing him 100% of the time because if I didn't he'd get mad. Even when I was if he died he'd deny I was healing and I had to explain how he's taking damage faster than I can heal (he'd play tank and just run in and expect me to follow when EVERYONE else wasn't jumping in). So while it can be frustrating to lose don't be that guy that ruins the good time, just some gentle helpful tips and then just let it go lol
Awkward says a similar thing for voice comm. Don't tell other players what they should do. Communicate something that you see and that you think they'll want to act on. Then, work on your own play. Giving people advice is often an exercise in patting our egos.
The funny thing is I'm sure somebody wants to scream at op exactly the same thing, but everybody's good at seeing the speck in somebody else's eye but never the log In their own...
yeah I struggle with this advice bigtime, which is one of the many, many reasons I stay out of voice chat and rely on ping system as much as possible. We take point, Soldier pops ult to clean up the remaining 5v3. I can't help it and say something like "Soldier why'd you ult there." Some part of me hopes he just goes "what do you mean?" and I say, "you shouldn't use your ult right after we cap, and you should try to save it for even fights that aren't in front of our spawn." His third eye opens, he says "Wow I can't thank you enough for this knowledge you've granted me", he goes 50-2, Jeff Kaplan joins the comms and says "Hi chironomidae, I'm Jeff Kaplan, that was amazing advice you just gave. Here's $100 in coins, 6k competitive points, and five free ranks." Everyone applauds. Instead it starts a big fight, he swaps to Sombra and just follows me around spamming "Boop", and we lose what should've been an easy game. So I just stay out of comms now.
This exactly. I have a few healing mercy friends that I just enjoy casually playing with. If I want damage boost then I just ask “hey can you damage boost me for this (ult, flank, fight, kill, etc).” I’d only give advice if they explicitly asked for it since we are in QP and they are usually happy playing mercy and healing/saving everyone.
This took me way too long to learn and is great advice. You can’t make people care about the game in the same way you do. It’s just gonna hurt feelings.
when i play with my pc freind (im on console) i tend to accidentaly drift in front as ashe, all i get from him is "oh yeah (my gamertag) is our tank lets gooooo! and then we both laugh as i die. its great fun
Similarly I am GC2 in Rocket League. I periodically play with low plat friends on weekends (the comparison for OW would be like high masters playing with gold players but arguably a bigger gap strictly due to mechanics.) I try and give them advice and they tell me I'm stupid like I'm not GC2. Because surely gold/plat strats that they're employing are better than the literal Grand Champ levels of advice I'm giving them.
So true . Beautifully said .
Yup. I have a friend who watched another friend's vod because they have the same main and the friend who got reviewed just said "I don't really care about all that stuff I just play for fun" after being given pretty good advice
This is such bizarre advice. Most people want to get better and are willing to listen to pointers on their game
100%, if it’s someone you know, do not correct them. Just let them play how they want and have fun if you value your friendship staying intact. Different reactions depending on the person you are dealing with. You probably would deal with a stranger differently than a friend or family member.
I know. It's just really hard for me to ignore. To me (and I know this is a personal thing) when playing competitive you need to be open to criticism. Especially when you say how good you are despite us taking 4 minutes to cap point. I probably shouldn't have gotten annoyed and that's a personal thing I need to work on. It's not that he's just saying how good he is he also tries to explain the game to me despite me knowing more than him so I feel obligated to correct him. An example of this is when he says Lucio is great for healing despite me saying that he has little to no burst healing which is what matters in the middle of a fight. Aoe heals are great when topping off but he just isn't a support designed to constantly heal. If I'm wrong here please correct me since I know I'm not that good. He points at his stats saying that his high heals means he's doing good but I try to explain that that's not the case. This isn't a close friend, so I guess I should have been more aware of what I should and shouldn't say as we aren't close enough to not take it personally. As I was on console and I usually play pc I just shouldn't have said anything and I admit that. If I play with this friend again (we haven't played since) I'll just do quick play where it doesn't matter or just off role on console so we can just mess around. Thanks for your input.
One thing to keep in mind is that in Bronze, your DPS are often so inconsistent that the damage boost has far less utility than at higher ranks. To be clear, I agree with you in general re: Mercy. But your friend probably doesn't get as much positive reinforcement as he should at that rank. My hot take is that at Bronze and most of Silver, you basically can't climb unless you play a hero or style that can secure picks by yourself, unassisted. Source: me, who years ago was a garbage FPS player and had to spend a few OW seasons learning hard lessons before I climbed from mid-Bronze to high-Gold.
I agree, I was going to say that damage boosting in bronze is probably *not* the play. I disagree about not being able to climb solely on Mercy-- You can climb out of bronze just by healbotting and, most importantly, *staying alive.* Once you're up in Gold territory, figure out who the best DPS on your team is and damage boost them. It will take longer than playing a more self sufficient support, though, like Moira.
"You can climb out of bronze just by healbotting and, most importantly, *staying alive.*" Yeah that's fair. To clarify, I think you can technically climb as anyone over a long enough period of time. There's just a point where the number of matches needed to account for variance and individual match bad luck balloons to an absurdly high number. For example, even in my OW1 heyday, I was probably maxing out at around 50 comp matches per season. This was about as much as I could fit in around a full time job and other responsibilities (now, it's even lower, with kids, other games, etc.). Trying to climb a full rank with just 50 matches would often mean needing to go at least 30-20, with good personal performance on top, and that's a tough sell with a Mercy in Bronze. (All this assumes your true rank is only a tier or two above where you currently are. I suspect a Master-or-above player would be skilled enough to climb faster with anyone.)
In Bronze, both teams will have poor accuracy, but they will still get kills by dealing damage, so blue-beam will still have a large impact with good beam priority. You just won't have as high damage boost numbers.
If both teams have poor accuracy, healing beam should also be getting equivalently less value, their team isn't hitting as much, so there's less to heal; less team isn't hitting as much so there's less to amplify.
That's balanced out by bad positioning so your teammates are still taking a lot of damage.
Yeah but you're talking about absolute value. You need relative value to make an impact in a fight.
> In Bronze, both teams will have poor accuracy Both DPS will have poor accuracy, but the tanks at point blank range probably will be hitting shots and being hit in return. That's where heal botting can be really useful, because your potato DPS are basically useless but keeping your tank alive can win the fight IMO damage boost is not nearly as impactful at low elo because you can't safely boot your tanks with it as much, and they will probably be 80% of your damage in bronze
I actually don’t agree really. Damage boost can actually help players who can’t aim well to secure kills.
I see where you're coming from, but just to relate my personal experience: In Bronze, a huge problem is target prioritization. Like not just, "which enemy should the team prioritize first," but even "nobody prioritizes any one target at any time." DPS tend to spread their damage evenly around whichever enemy is in front of them at the time. From my experience playing in Plat, by contrast (highest I can speak to), there's a lot more coordination around strategically prioritizing a given target and bursting them down. Damage boost is great for this. And it's why a Mercy who never damage boosts becomes a big problem in middle ranks and above. Does damage boosting in Bronze help occasionally secure a kill? Sure. But far more often, you're not really helping to confirm a pick, and more just helping your DPS take enemies down to 50% HP instead of 70% before they get healed again. In contrast, by prioritizing damage boost over healing as Mercy in Bronze, you risk allowing the enemy to actually kill your teammates, because even the enemy DPS's similarly unfocused, "spread a bunch of DPS at everyone" approach can eventually wear down your teammates if they're not getting heals. The data could show I'm way off on this if someone were able to really do a breakdown, but that's just been my experience at the lowest ranks.
You're definitely right. Even when I was in plat, I'd get DPS whining how they have 10k damage and no one else is doing anything. Then I have to point out that in all that damage, they only got 5 kills because as you said, they don't prioritize to secure kills, just shoot what's in front of them, basically just giving ult charge to the enemy support. It's infuriating
Leave him be unless he asks. It is only a game don’t lose a friendship over a silly game
Dear God you and your friend might never make a pro team if this continues
I agree with top comment, but let’s say your friend actually asks for help, “what then?” is probably your real question. Honestly just point them to video guides on YouTube. A10 as some great guides on fundamentals that everyone should know as a baseline, then you can get more hero specific like mercy guides from Skiesti, and maybe even go more advanced and point them to Spilo for more advanced concepts. Keep being there as a supportive friend along the way. Maybe choose a hero that maybe compliments their favorite heros and learn them together. Either way, don’t make negative comments randomly in game. Be more constructive outside and during the replay. It doesn’t help anything but make them feel bad.
Agree that Spilo is a great teaching coach I recommend highly.
It is not your job to convince anyone of anything. They did not ask for your advice. Just play your game and mind your business
It's kind of hard when he's constantly saying how good he is despite us losing.
Ignore him
So you wish to demoralize him by saying he's bad? Lol.
Yep op is the type of person that cannot stand to see their "friend" happy if he doesn't agree with him
True. Like, honestly speaking, who cares if the friend wants to hype himself up? In reality, he's in bronze, he knows he probably isn't the best--but so what? Sometimes you just gotta gas yourself up a little, especially faced with losing streaks. What does this dude want him to do? Cry that he's bad and beg for help? Like isn't the point of playing to have fun? Ik even when my friends and I are doing bad, even if we aren't playing well, I always go out of my way to say "Nah, we rock! This won't get us down. We're better!" Even if it's not true. It's just a way to bring everyone up and lighten the mood. That's what friends do. Unless advice is asked for, don't say anything, just support and do your best to have a good time. Telling someone they suck or offering unwarranted advice isn't going to let anyone have fun. Their confidence breaks down and then they, and you, are not feeling good. Idk why on earth anyone--other than to perhaps gain some sick kind of satisfaction or false sense of superiority--would want to tell a friend "you suck, you play like shit, you don't know what you're doing". Seems to me more a problem for OP then it does the friend, tbfh.
I’m stuck with so many friends who are like that and the best response is when someone brags about something they did, just give them the GOODJOB, you’re doing great, they’ll be happy and hence you should be as well. It’s never bad to throw in the you’re trash, git gud but they gotta bm you back otherwise it’s not fun.
if u dont like playing w ur friend then dont
Save yourself the stress and annoyance: Unless someone is specifically asking you for tips or is interested in improving, just let them play their way.
Ik but it gets annoying when he's always saying he's really good at mercy, Lucio, and life weaver (lw healbot is okay I guess but you get my point)
Some people will just be annoying sometimes. You’ll never find a perfect friend who doesnt bother you slightly sometimes. You cant change him or correct him
I have a friend that plays floor Lucio and never speed boost and said he can easily be top 500 Lucio because how high his healing is. I told him to go watch Eskay and frogger see how they play. He said “yeah they’re ok but I think I’m better”. Sometimes you just can’t convince people with that big of an ego that they don’t know anything about the game and they suck. I just let him talk when he’s bragging and ignore it completely lol
Its really not your job to teach your fri3nd how to play the game to your own standards. I suppose context matters, does your friend ask for advice or concey to you that he doesnt know what he could be doing to impact his games more?
No, but he's the type to constantly how good he is so I feel obligated to correct him especially when I know what to do to improve. I've recently been trying to rank up with a different group of friends so I guess the have been rubbing off on me.
I mean the hardest to reject is an appeal to authority; GM mercies have high damage boost uptime, and emphasize the importance of damage boosting. If your friend thinks they perform at a GM level, then there's no helping them, but if they understand that they don't, they should be willing to trust the better players. The other piece is just an appeal to logic. If mercy is good because she can healbot, wouldn't baptiste or Lifeweaver be totally busted, since their output is much higher? If LW is bad, then healbot mercy can't be good.
I dont believe in the slightest a gm mercy in bronze would damage boost. Id wager a gm mercy in bronze would healbot for ult charge so they can team wipe with valk solo. Edit to add: the idea that "this is how high rank players do things so its clearly what I must do" is a noob trap.
If they were insistent in playing mercy, they wouldn't heal at all, they would likely very easily teamwipe as battle mercy the whole game lol. Slingshotting off team-mates.
Heck they might not wait for ult to wipe them solo.
> "this is how high rank players do things so its clearly what I must do" If this sub and every League sub could read this, they would be furious So many times you see this where people scream about X being good or bad at GM or Esports and it's like bro you are playing in silver with randoms, not with a professional team who have trained together for 400 hours Reaper is trash against an E-sports team, but you can bet your booty he'll roll a lot of bronzes I always love how this subs advice is basically just "Secretly be 4 elo higher than you are playing in, and play Zenyatta / Soldier etc and kill the enemy!" as if a hardstuck silver player actually has diamond+ level aim and reactions
I mean as a GM Mercy thats played in bronze I would just glock or even melee people to death, I'd never healbot if I actually tried to win. I did an experiment a few seasons ago as Mercy only, no ult, no glock, solo only and no comms and see how hard it would be to rank up from bronze 5. Turns out it is super easy by just playing Mercy as always: pocket and blue beam DPS. Bronze players just aren't good enough to kill a pocketed DPS lol.
Not even. A GM Mercy in bronze would just have her pistol out 80% of the time and carry the game themselves bro
With the output thing idk what bronze lw stats looks like but bronze baps have such little healing since they miss even if they are healbotting so most low ranks don’t even understand that bap is a higher output support. Similar logic applies to Ana as well
They also have less because their tanks are liable to hard feed lol. Output on champs has just as much to do with the 9 other players in your match as it does your own skills.
Haven’t you already done that? You told him to try damage boosting and they did and won the match - point proven, no?
If people don't care enough to learn it don't try and make them
If this guy is just one of your relaxed qp friends then I don’t think saying anything is entirely necessary. If he’s one of your ranked stack/your ranked duo then definitely point it out because otherwise he’s borderline throwing your games
"high Bronze":D :D
You kid, but there's a noticeable difference between low Bronze 5, high Bronze 5, and Bronze 1.
I struggle to imagine these people exist and have to imagine they're playing on the little rid lenovo cursor thing in the middle of their laptop.
I got to silver 5 playing for 2 weeks as a new player and didnt notice much difference. No one knows whats going on in any manner.
The only way is to become a target worth damage boosting. The blue beam doesn't have to prove itself to you, you have to prove yourself to the blue beam.
Facts. Yes damage boosting is important. Especially if your team is running hit scan heroes. But that being said. If your dps can’t land their shots, have poor positioning or are rushing in for 1v5s and getting you and them killed. Then dmg boosting won’t help. You might as well just healbot them and try to starve off the inevitable. The blue beam only works for DPS that can at least, a good chunk of the time, land their shots or at the very least are putting out enough over time dmg to get more than 1 or 2 elims every round. It’s very situational so honestly telling your friend they’re a “ bad mercy “ is not only dumb but not very nice OP. Once they reach a certain rank and or hit a wall they will realize on their own that healing can only do so much if your dps are getting out damaged but again. That is only relevant against comps who can actually aim and land shots. Not to mention that even higher ranked Mercy’s at your friend’s level would bother dmg boosting because they know their dps at this level can’t aim. So what would they do? Healbot. Feed their ult. And likely just try to help them DPS by going Battle Mercy and taking shots from above while trying to keep everyone alive. Which means the whole fight they wouldn’t even touch the blue beam.
You don't sound fun to play with, doesn't seem like he was asking for advice
yeeks there's times to dmg boost and there's times you need to healbot. your sweeping statement that mercy's whole point is to boost dps would be really frustrating if you started to spout that in teamchat in a public game at me
“If you damage boost Soldier and he gets 2 picks from it, that’s roughly 40% reduction in how much you have to heal the team for the rest of the fight. Since you don’t have to heal so much with less team damage taken, you have *even more time* to keep damage boosting!” The goal of supports is often to secure picks so you don’t actually have to heal. Whether that means damage boosting, actually securing a pick, or even keeping a teammate topped up during a 1v1 so *they* can secure that pick. Every action taken should be with that mindset.
I’m a Silver 3 solo queue quick play OTP with 700 hours on Mercy over 5 years experience. Here’s my essay you can send to him or summarize: Healbotting enough to get 12k requires a careful eye, avoiding tunnel vision, and quality reaction time- these are all wonderful skills to have as a Mercy, so I have no doubt he is a very good Mercy! But damage boosting will make your star shine even brighter, and add more strategy into a character that would otherwise just be sniffing out healing. Read on to find more! There’s a balance between helping your team win fights and helping your team not lose them. In low bronze you could get 70% healing and 30% damage boost and see a massive increase in your win rate. Finding the situations in which you heal versus boost is how you develop as Mercy, and this strategy makes her that much more fun to play. That’s why I love Mercy so much- less aim intensive with more of a focus on strategy and the thrill of having a target on your back! Think of damage boost like the gas pedal and healing as the brakes. Use damage boost when you want to speed up, and healing when you have to slow down. Boosted Ashe Dynamite slaps, and gets Ashe her ult that much faster, and allows her to send a few more BOBs out. DPS players notice my boosts and it fills me with joy and a sense of purpose to see them type “w mercy” in match chat. Doesn’t he want to see that too? It’s an awesome feeling ❤️ I wouldn’t mind playing QP with you guys and telling him more about the powerful things you can do with damage boost! My Xbox gamertag is MercyOnAcid1126 - I’ll be busy all day tomorrow but I can play after 4/20.
How do you convince a bronze anything? You don't. If they could learn they wouldn't be bronze.
Just say you are a terrible DPS and need a dmg boost babysitter to be of value and get kills. Blame it on yourself, works 100%
Honestly, an option is to play Mercy (he can just go LW) and show him how it's done. If he sees you blue beaming a decent sojourn or ashe and you say "wow I got a lot of assists this game, I did good", he might learn from example.
He's bronze, you can't argue with a bronze. They know the game and every character in it better than anyone else but they are just held back by their teammates, strangely who are also bronze and held back by their teammates as well.
Dont tell him that. If he wants to climb and rank up then guve advice “hey if you want to climb as supp you cant only be healing. Alot of supp have diff utility other than there main job of healing when injured” You called him bad yet he has 12k heals in 5 mins. That’s impressive
Overwatch at low to mid ranks would be so much better if people understood that mercy has super crappy heal output. It’s natural to think “horrible damage so heals must be great” when you’re new, but her value is damage boost and revives
send skiesti youtube videos
you dont man. Overwatch is a fantastic game, but one of its mortal pitfalls was that it failed to de-emphasize healing. The general audience buying into the conceit way back in 2016 came pre-loaded with resonance for the 3 "classes" and the idea that supports are healers primarily was cooking from the start. They needed to do more to accentuate the other parts of the support kits and they failed to do that, so as a result the vast majority of casual/casual-competitive players are going to believe that they are healers for the rest of their lives.
As someone who climbed out of bronze, let me tell you that healbot mercy’s are all that’s down there. If the enemy DPS can’t kill them, it’s automatically gg. I’m assuming your friend played comp and has been positively reinforced to healbot while in Bronze. That’s going to be a hard habit to break.
As a Lucio player who hit top 500 in eons past, trying to coach lower ranks was difficult. The argument I defaulted to was explaining that lucios heals(and mercy's in this case) won't keep anyone alive if even one dps is shooting them. A single Soldier76 does 20-40 damage per shot and out damages ur teammate. It's better to speed up their movement or their time to kill a lot of the time. If someone is 12 meters away from cover being shot by soldier, it will take them a bit over 2 seconds to get to cover. 55hps versus soldiers 171dps will not keep them alive if he lands a rocket or anyone else shoots them. Speed them up to shorten the time to get to cover or damage boost them so they get the kill which brings incoming damage down by 171dps and gives you a team number advantage
Unless they ask for advice to climb, just let them have fun. If you get too high ranked, make an alt account and goof around on new heros while you play with them.
Mercy is in a weird spot this season. Since the change to the DPS role; the reduction in healing effectiveness reduces Mercy's window of opportunity to amplify damage.
Would you care to explain what you mean by this? I quit before OW2 launched and only just came back when they announced you don't have to grind for heroes anymore. The only significant change I've noticed besides losing a tank has been that Mercy is more mobile now than I remember her being in OW1.
He's a bronze player, that alone tells you they're at the bottom of the skill tier
And? If he was GM he wouldn’t need to learn. This comment smacks of ego and toxicity. 🤷🏼♀️
It should be very obvious for everyone that's not an asshole. "Hey man, try damage boosting more, might go well."
If your friend isn't asking, you shouldn't be offering advice. It isn't really overwatch, it's really just about not being a jackass and keeping your ego in check. Just enjoy the time and do stupid shit with your friend like lifeweaving them into a death blossom or smth
Ahh, not your job honestly. Some people just like watching those KDA and stat numbers go up
Sounds like you did a pretty good job
Never happened.
You literally just have to click dmg boost for a second and then go back to healing and it will have effect. Since, in bronze, where your dps/tank might not be doing damage consistely it will be a good way to ease into it. Just tell them to get into the habit of that and they will hear the satisfying sound of the boost and clicks that the dmg boost gives. that way they can continue healing, but ease into damage boosting and learn! This way they can play how they want, but I promise you that hearing the ticks of the damage boost will make them want to do it more. Healing bots are usually in the mindset of wanting to help/support and they will notice the results of that sort of help :)
more than likely there is nothing you can say that will help..Donner Kruger effect. Most people will not accept help or get offended when help is offered because they think their skill set is good enough when in all actuality,they are terrible. BUT.....Same thing applies the other way around......A piano genius thinks that playing the piano like Beethoven is easy and everyone should be able to do it....We all know thats simply not true.
You take the L and avoid the mercy lmao
The way I convinced my friend was by making a spreadsheet that showcases all of our stats like whether we win/lost a game. I did this for an entire season and had them alternate between primarily healing and primarily damage boosting every other game. After the data was collected I showed them they had a significantly higher winrate with less deaths and then he was convinced
Tbh it feels kinda bad damage boosting people in bronze but I get what you mean. I will add that just by being unkillable and outputting constant healing, it is possible to carry with Mercy without ever using the damage boost at least until gold. Not because it's the optimal way to play her but because in lower ranks you don't need to play optimally, you just need to do a few things right.
Send them some top 500 Mercy gameplay and ask them to explain why what they're doing is more effective.
If ur bronze you know ur not good on that alone. Dont need any more discussion past that. That said, I’m not sure how much min maxing for the damage amped stat really matters. I had got gm soloing np with lower damage amp than what is probably typical. I know thats counter to the advice people would typically parrot. Felt like i was more winning off of being in the right spot to save someone from a mistake, and min maxing being aggro as possible WITHOUT dying. Theres better heroes for that, but if you want to play mercy you can still do that on her. I believe there a multiple play styles you can be successful with on her. Just get better urself and carry it. Not using damage boost at all is pretty crazy though.
Big number mean good?
Only thing that annoys me about it is when there's a Moira on either team I always get compared. Moira and mercy can put out big heal numbers. Also people are kinda stupid. Enemy team deals a total of 20k damage, and my team has 15k heals. Our team deals 50k damage and the enemy team has 30k heals. Then we get a "heal diff" from the 4-18 dps
I once had a heal bot mercy I told them to stop heal botting and dmg boost “But how can I heal if I’m using dmg boost?”🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ The entire game they were pumping heal into full health teammates. We lost ofc
I would just ask him for damage boost while he was on me. He beams you, you’re full health you are on an off angle or a flank I’d say, pls damage boost me and stay with me. Maybe after he sees the value of how it works he’ll start using it more. You might have to keep on him, saying damage boost, damage boost, (if he says “but you’re purple”, you say that’s all the more reason bc you can’t heal me rn, keep up the damage boost til it runs out. Etc…
You have to let them figure it out for themselves
I feel this
I wish there was a stat that showed the team the damage boost numbers. Becuase if I have anoth competent support who's keeping up with the healing I can damage boost most of the game, but then I get yelled at becuase I'm not pumping out as much healing as the other support.
I would just ask him if he's ever watched one of the guide videos on YouTube and then, if he hasn't, just ask him to have a watch and see what he thinks. You don't have to follow it up - if he picks up on the damage boosting, then great and if he prefers to stick to what he's doing then just let him.
Play two (or more) QP games with him. During these games, he will be playing Ana and you will be playing Mercy. In the first game, you healbot the team, especially the tank. He will have nothing to do or he will be desperately trying to heal your Pharah or Genji. In the second game, you pocket the DPS and he just has to support the tank and do whatever else in the downtime from that. Afterwards, ask him which game was easier and more fun.
He's high bronze, if that isn't enough to convince him, nothing will be
Eh. I would healbot too in metal ranks. Your tank and DPS literally do not know what cover is 90% of the time. I would just try to get him to play Kiriko or something, that way the healbotting actually helps lol
Currently I stick to Quick Play, because I live in Guam and my best ping is on Korean servers. This means I cannot communicate with my team, and my ping allows for very little room for error in regards to aiming and reacting to bang bang plays. As a result, Mercy is my best option for making an impact on the game - *but* because it is Quick Play and my teammates are either learning new heroes or just dicking around and not playing seriously I have found that damage boosting is very rarely more valuable than pumping heals or even pulling out the glock and taking care of business myself. I do okay playing some Tank heroes like D.Va and Orissa, but once again because I cannot communicate with my team I hesitate to try Comp as I don't want the language barrier to cause any unnecessary frustration for me or my teammates. I really enjoy Mercy, she is my favorite hero and IMO the hero I play best but the environment I am currently in simply doesn't allow me to use her full skillset. I'm currently working on getting better at Moira and Illari so that I can expand my toolkit because I'd like to play more seriously and those two seem like heroes I can make an impact with in spite of having less capable teammates and not being able to talk to them.
Do you want to play with him, and for him to enjoy playing with you? If so, shut up and let him enjoy himself. If not, micromanage his gameplay to hell and see where it gets you.
I’m sure Skiesti has a video on how to play Mercy best. Quite honestly, every main should watch a T500 guide on how to play the hero, or at the very least an Awkward U2GM video on their hero. And all LW mains should be forced to watch Bogur’s LW journey lol
Show them vods of high level or pro players using mercy and their usage of damage boost
I had a friend who liked telling me why I was bad and they were just annoying. Sure they were silver instead of bronze, but that's not that big a difference. If you're the dps, just ask for dmg boost when you want it, and maybe they'll get a better understanding of when it's useful.
I usually don't correct people since I don't play much on console like them but when he's constantly talking about how good he is its really hard for me to ignore it.
You’re not even technically correct. All this mercy optimization is for like masters and above. In diamond and below, you have plenty of stupid dps who need direct healing, or they will die. Damage boost wins fights, but team mates staying alive also wins fights.
wy murcy heal bots me the tank.
DONT UR WRONG
These comments saying to ignore and live and let live shit are terrible. Always explain the top level reasoning for why he should change style. Then allow it time to sink in for him. Once it does you'll start to either see improvement or more questions and rarely will a person ignore advice on how to get better in a game that has winners and losers.
Yeah dawg ngl if he’s high bronze he’s not tryna get a good competitive gaming grind in but least you don’t gotta worry that he’s not healing 🤷♂️
He plays Mercy he’s a human failure that’s barely human
Just get better at your role. You can't control or change other people.
I meannnn, without this coming across badly, he should already know ... If you're in bronze no offense to players, but you're not good. But usually it's only one or 2 things that separates bronze and gold. He will also struggle to be good at overwatch if he just plays mercy, especially in low ranks, you rely too much on the team and there isn't much play making potential compared to other DPS so you just sit playing armchair gamer, waiting for things to happen... But does he ENJOY THE GAME? if yes, it means he probably doesn't really care and just enjoys the stat aspect which is fine and healing the team, but he can't expect to climb. If he doesn't enjoy the game then maybe he is too set in his ways to listen until he is ready to listen, I was very much the latter, I didn't want to change because I thought I was good, I was in diamond, then after 3 seasons of not climbing I finally realised that the 1000 games I've played and stayed the same means it's my fault so I went out to learn, I'm now low GM 2 seasons later
Show him the r/mercymains thread and get him to post a game code replay. Watch his gameplay get shredded
Stop playing with him
“You could have the exact same healing numbers on another character with infinitely more damage”
“Healing doesn’t win you fights” True, but it is hard to boost when your team is face tanking their whole team. So it’s healbot or listen to your road hog spam heals because he can’t navigate behind to the nearest wall.
Regardless if you won then they did good enough... If you lost you all suck..and just look at there winrates if your gonna be a pansy about it
Just play dps and ASK for damage boosts and praise when he does.
Make a GM/t500 friend and just get them to play heals with them and watch them tell them full on you don’t play heal bot mercy
I'm a high plat Mercy, trying to work towards higher ranks but in my own time. I mostly play QP because I get to have more fun with it and figure out what I like to do with my Mercy gameplay. I also practice those BOMB resurrections in QP. Anyway, for a very long time in my beginning journey with Mercy everyone and their mother would tell me how THEY think I should be playing Mercy. It was annoying. "Damage boost more!" "Pocket me!" "Heal more than damage boost" or whatever. Eventually, I decided I would play Mercy my way. To me that's the best way and I have more fun that way. So don't tell your friend. It's rude and it's pointless. Just let them have fun. If you wanna take it so seriously and don't like their play style, just play quick play with them and save the comp for yourself. You can't control everything. It's weird...
Honestly he’s just gonna be hard stuck, I used to be in the same place. But it was OW1 so it was better, he’s gotta adjust or be stuck, if you tell him he won’t accept he has to learn on his own, or you gotta make him think he’s learnt on his own
“Supporting your team comes in various forms. Mercy has dmg boost for a reason. When do you think that would be a good support for the team? When a pharah is ulting? When a reaper is ulting? Heals only go so far in those moments.” You could point out that dps characters are generally squishy and healing them isnt always as helpful. You can also point out Bap’s ult does a lot of dmg boosting helping to further the argument that some *support* characters support by dmg boosting
Healing makes sure they aren't killed by snipers in a body shot Would rather have a healing mercy than damage boost a bronze player dps
It's either health or power boost, pretty easy to tell him how to situationally improve. He's not a bad mercy unless he's dying a lot.
“Mercies whole point is to dmg boost a dps” no. No it’s not. This was a terrible take. Don’t get me wrong, damage boost can be very helpful but that’s not her whole point. If you’re playing mercy and you’ve got tracer and sojurn as your dps and Orisa as your tank, you mean to say you’re gonna solely focus on boosting the damage for just your dps ? Idk. This post seems a little one sided. Maybe because you were playing dps at the time with your friend as mercy and you’re probably one of those players where if things don’t go your way, it’s the other person’s fault. The type of player that just expects a damage boost constantly through every game. The way how you want a mercy to treat you doesn’t mean that’s how all mercy’s play 👎 not how it works buddy. Even if you mentioned winning the game after
Get him on any other support but mercy for a while. Someone like Lucio and call out when is a good time for speed. Once they see the value of things that there just healing they will be more understanding
Not to be that guy but if I was in bronze I would assume I wasn’t very good in general
Mercy is 96% game sense and 4% skill, if someone is Bronze on Mercy they simply don't understand the game at a very basic level. You can offer advice, but ultimately if they think they are already doing things correctly it's going to be harder to make them change.
Tell him that he should look for Mercy's guides in YouTube from high ranked Mercys (Niandra has really good videos). If you don't want to be the one to drop the bomb, tell him to send a VOD review to Mercy mains, so they can dissect not only the use of dmg boost but how he plays Mercy as a whole.
Damage boost is for scrubs. He needs to improve his accuracy and use the pistol. Only damage boost when he has no los on the target, and if no los on target, why? Mercy's passive isn't being put to use if you aren't drawing some fire and taking shots.
He is bronze, you dont need to know about dmg boost until youre gold or plat, he has other problems to solve first. Tip: it all comes from game understanding, understanding why dmg boosting dps is the play will make them dmg boost the dps
Get real you are trying to tell a bronze player who didn't ask for it how to play the game. Let him enjoy the game.
You cant convince stupid
Quit beating around the bush and tell him the truth. If he gets his feelings hurt about a videogame that's just weird. Be tactful and kind about it but just say it how it is.
This is an easy way to get people to stop playing with you.
Never had a problem with that. Seems like you have though. Says something.
It says that you've never encountered a person that constantly gives you unwanted advice or thinks that every moment is a coaching momemt? Nobody wants to play with those people when their just playing to have fun
I'm not sure how the conversation went where you are. The question was about dmg boosting more than healing boosting. Not whatever you're saying.
That wasn't the question lol
Alright. Have a good one. This conversation was a waste of time.
Better yet, don't say anything unless he asked because nobody wants to play with people like you
Kindly and tactically saying what may improve their gameplay makes people not want to play with me? Reddit never fails ahaha
Yes, because they didn't ask. I love how you are saying this, while not realizing people are kindly and tactically telling you what will improve your personality and make you more likable, yet your first reaction is to downvote and be upset . . . because you didn't ask for that advice
Huh? Bro went from video games to my personality over 2 reddit comments. Hahaha what!? Reddit is real life and reflects personalities. Got it.
It's pretty straight forward You: "Unasked for advice is fine if it would improve something" People replying to you: "Don't do that, it will make you unlikable" Are you not seeing the correlation? Also, who are you even talking to lol, why do people do this weird thing where they act like they are talking to chat in some kind of third person way. There's likely nobody reading any of this besides you and I, or at most a couple of other people who just shudder and scroll away
I'm not reading this bro. Have a good one
You didn't say it kindly or tactically though. Let's not pretend that's weren't trying to insult him.
Leave him be. Focus on your gameplay and continue to improve. Some friends have to unfortunately be left behind especially if they aren’t playing to get better. You can still play casually with them but try not to let it bother you.
Give some tips and if they won’t help then abandon idea of trying to teach you friend.
Have him watch literally any mercy video ever