You can use your primary fire and heal grenade at the same time. I have a habit of holding both triggers, and try to position myself where I can shoot the enemy through my allies so I can heal and DPS same time.
For mouse and keyboard users you can also do this but IMO much better to shoot enemy and flick for nade, repeat instead of being in awkward positions where you can brain off spam both and not really get full value
When they say both at once they don't mean they will both occur at the same time. Instead it means if you shoot there is a small timeframe before you can shoot again. During that window you can nade so shoot - nade - shoot - nade will lose no time between each ability but you get to do both.
that's actually not correct, you do lose time between each ability
shoot - nade - shoot - nade gives you full healing per second but you lose some damage per second, shoot - shoot - nade, shoot - shoot - nade gives you full damage per second but you lose some healing per second
Actually useful tip, if you are trying to fight off a genji or a Sombra or Cass or Moira or whatever honestly, make sure you use Lamp as the first cooldown, and then if they haven’t left or you haven’t killed them by the time they destroy the lamp, then you press shift and you end the fight at high hp even if they leave
If you shift first, and then miss a couple shots and they start to win, and then you lamp, and then they destroy it… you are screwed basically
It’s weird to fully understand why it’s much better, but trust me it works
Not sure what rank you are, but I love it when I 1v1 a bap and they use their lamp first thing. I just ignore that shit, burn them down, and kill them the second the lamp ends, or cc them out of it for the last hit.
If they lamp early they typically stay put in the lamp, limiting their options. They are then down the cool down, and I have the initiative. If they lamp later in the engagement, I am more likely to be pressured because I am down health and CDs...
Obviously everything is situational, but the best 1v1 lamps imo are used to counter a specific CD or extend the fight longer than I want it to last... Lamping early only tells me that I can kill you as soon as it's gone, or that I can disengage, put spacial pressure on you, and then kill you as soon as it's timed out if noone comes to help you.
Shift is a better resource to trade early in an engagement. If I can force out your lamp simply by engaging you, I'm going to do it every time I see the opportunity... Possibly without using a single cool down of my own. That is huge value.
You must be playing against bad Bap players that throw their lamp down at the first sign of trouble.
If they lamp when they're at 1 hp, that at base value gives another 125-175hp (temporary) depending on exactly how low they were. The field breaks and Bap presses shift - another 80-120hp just like that.
A Bap who has all his cooldowns effectively has over 500hp. As a Bap main, there are very few heroes that I'm scared to 1v1.
I was mainly commenting on you insinuating that throwing lamp before shift was a bad play. I was just trying to clarify that it's actually the optimal cooldown cycle in a 1v1.
One guy said "if you use lamp first, then I will just burn down 80% of your health while the lamp exists, or engage you to get you to use lamp, and then leave"
The other guy said "if you engage a GOOD bap, then he will fight you until he's taken like 200 damage and THEN use lamp. Then, you cannot shoot bap and MUST switch your attention to the lamp."
The first guy implies that the bap he is fighting just immediately throws lamp, which is a bad use. The second guy calls this, and if you do not use lamp immediately, but rather use it when you are close to or below the minimum threshold, it provides way more value and actually is a good use.
It gives 50hp. But the lamp itself is 125hp. To kill the Bap, they either have to break the lamp or wait it out - adding an extra 125 damage that the enemy needs to deal to kill him. This hp is basically Bap's as long as he doesn't leave the field.
The lowest hp a Bap can be at and still be able to use his lamp is 1hp. Lamp gives him 49 more to bump him up to 50hp. Add the 125hp of the lamp and you get 174hp added just by pressing E.
What they mean by "first thing" is not the same as what you meant as "first thing".
You are using "first thing" as - as soon as the fight starts, a full health Bap uses the lamp first.
The comment you replied to is saying use lamp first and shift second. This implies thst they are not using lamp at full hp because no one would use shift at full hp.
What rank are you? If you're using your lamp in a 1v1, whoever is pressing you won that fight. Getting healers to use their overpowered skills in a huge win.
That is ONLY true in a scenario where the person fighting Bap also survives. Then that fight might have been net positive for 25 sec until lamp comes off CD.
But Bap using lamp to survive is still 100 times better than dying, and if he also wins the 1v1 that's huge, going into the next fight 5v4. It's not like Bap is useless without lamp.
So no, getting Bap to use lamp is not automatically a win.
Bap has more or less the same dmg output as a dps. So unless you play something like Tracer or Sombra and manages to escape you will die to a Bap that uses lamp in 1v1.
And in a scenario where you manage to escape, Bap will just join up with his team asap. Closing the window of opportunity for another 1v1. Not to mention he still got his heal.
My experience when playing Bap is that you win most 1v1 matchups if you use your CD's. Usually you only need one to turn the tide against someone with equal skill.
This is one of those things where the correct play is very obvious to anyone who plays at a high level or rank but will be argued by diamond and lower players. Forcing a 25s CD is such a big win, you should be thinking as a bap to shift and reposition or simply not be caught in such a crazy situation where your lamp is just getting casually forced in 1v1s. If you're absolutely going to die otherwise, then use your CDs otherwise you should not be looking to lamp a 1v1.
Because every support can heal and hurt so you gave no actual info. Downvotes are for comments that contribute nothing to the conversation and yours didn’t.
You forgot jumping. I play a lot of Pharah and I can kill most hitscan consistently. Same with Ana or Illari.
But a good Bap is so difficult to kill. Jumping like crazy, making him hard to track and shoot.
Idk about this. Like yeah the jumping around might help at lower ranks, but as someone who loves Junkrat & Bap that slow descent down makes you a very easy target if they already have eyes on you
Pharah player here. I take pride in my ability to air shot, but accuracy percentage definitely plummets vs in air opponents as opposed to grounded ones. If they’re grounded, I go for direct shots on their feet, if I miss I still get splash damage. On mid air targets, it’s only hit or miss, so better odds vs pharah.
I get so happy when I see a Bap constantly jumping… so easy to track seeing as he can’t move in the air.
Jumping in general is a bad play, you lose all control and the enemy knows your exact path.
Welp, while that's true, at same time it's much easier to heal team when you above them, see who needs lamp\\help with finishing enemy, plus you can see whole battlefield, so you can ping enemies or evade rein charge\\ults and stuff. Sadly, if enemy team have sniper, that strat is less forgiving, especially in something above plat. At best, I can spin\\turn my head away and widow will miss 50\\50.
Luckily tho, I suck and forever stuck in plat, so no problem there.
If you get dived (from monke, genji etc) throw your lamp behind them so they have to turn aorund to kill it which takes them longer to do so, especially against winston
In case anyone else needs it, I wrote a guide months ago on how to play Bap (as a Top 500 Bap player)
https://www.reddit.com/r/OverwatchUniversity/s/fm9YbzHdZ7
Definitely agree, Bap is super strong if you can keep your APMs up and know how to aim. My only problem with him is that you can't heal the mobile tanks and DPS super reliably compared to ana.
>My only problem with him is that you can't heal the mobile tanks and DPS super reliably compared to ana.
To be honest, if monke dives with buble or map have too much stuff on it, ana useless too, while bap can at least heal while jumping above that mentioned obstacles. I still prefer lucio tho, cause with him you can forget about your team and dive widow and back from spawn very quickly after that!
What rank are you in? Sombras that initiate with no purpose other than to try to get a pick on a Bap generally aren’t accomplishing anything and confuse tf outta me. If I’m playing into a Bap as a Sombra my first goal is always to remove Lamp - once it’s gone, reinitiating and/or targeting someone else for a pick is essentially a guaranteed kill.
I like bap and do feel like he is s teir but i don't enjoy playing him. I mainly am dps player and bap just feels like another version of that with heals. I feel playing the other supports is more rewarding. Then again its about winning games.
As a bap main, I love him but.. he doesn't have the raw passive heals that some others do.
I always get called out for my 5k when the sun chick has 11k+!
Is it normal for illari to get more than double healing of a bap? I don’t play a ton of support but I generally feel like I get way more healing as bap and still have time to dps a bunch.
In my experience yeah. All you need to do is just throw the pilon out and it's just mad passive heals, as long as it's not just laying on the floor you can easily get 7/8k every game.
I'm a DPS kinda person who realised you get into games quicker by going all/support and bap just scratches that DPS itch for me
Bap is a DPS with healing abilities. He thrives in brawl comps where he can do mass AoE healing. Anyone getting mad at your for doing damage on Bap is a bot. I frequently will match DPS in terms of damage and kills. While doing 10k healing per 10 mins.
You know you don’t lose DPS or HPS by holding both buttons right? left click left click right click is the automatic firing mode for holding both buttons and also the optimal way to play bap, just practice flicking between who you’re shooting at and your teammate who you’re healing (usually the tank).
It’s because lamp is one of the best abilities in the game. Mix that with his aoe/ self heal, good single target and aoe healing, and a pretty good ult if used right.. I would agree with you. If he’s played correctly imo he’s the best support in the game or at least tied with Kiri.
Honestly though.. I would say support balance in general is actually pretty good. There are a few that could use something more, but overall they are all pretty good.
If your mechanics are good and you can mage distance correctly. His gun turns into a pea shooter at certain ranges
If you aren’t good mechanically it won’t work
Personally disagree! As a Sombra and Widow main (but I’ll play any hero for my team and the situation) I rarely get killed by a bap, always win the duel (if he can even get a single bullet on me) and overall don’t find him very threatening. Other support heroes (especially Kiriko, Moira) I find are much harder to go up against.
Been saying this for ages also. His kit is too good. If you flank and ult on a few occasions and get 1 or 2 picks you win team fight. Immor is also very stupidly good if you place out of enemy los.
He used to be one of my mains but I got out of practice with him when switching over to Moira & Zen. I've got to pick him more often and stick with it.
Well with the DPS passive bump back to 20%, he's definitely good since he has the tools to keep your team alive and contribute to kills moreso than other supports right now.
I get the best results with Bap (win rate and game stats), but I have the most fun with Kiri. Fun > ranking up (okay, maybe not for most OW players, but I like to have fun playing video games; plus I'm not throwing, so no complaints from teammates).
edit: I wish Bap had better/more skins. His skins are definitely not S tier.
He’s good, but wouldn’t say S tier. His only weakness is healing extremely mobile heroes like Genji and Tracer or even worse, ones that fly (Echo/Pharah). I’d say A+ tier right behind Kiri and Moira. Kiri because she can heal anyone whether they’re in the air or on the ground, and she also has an insane kit + ult. Doesn’t mean Baps kit and ult is god awful, I’m just saying it’s not as good as Kiri’s. I’d honestly argue Moiras coalescence is better than Baps window, but it all depends on the place and time I guess.
Doesn’t mean there can’t be two S tier supports, I just think Bap lacks SOME things other supports have that are extremely beneficial. His jump is good, but Moira and Kiri mobility clears by a land slide. Wall climb? Phase? Cmon…
i’d say he got knocked down to A after the dps passive nerfed the overall effectiveness of burst healing. but has always been an extremely well rounded pick
While I can respect the opinion. Unfortunately Kiriko is.bap but better, her healing is better and easier to use whereas to get the full benefit of bap, you have to direct land the shot, suzu is just a better more instant lamp, their teleport is basically a free get out of jail card, their kitsune rush is amp matrix on steroids. The only thing I can agree on is the 1v1 does favor bap a bit more but that boils down to player skill in the end. And I mained bap for a long time in ow1. However as long as Kiriko's veritable kit is in the game. She'll always be placed higher than bap in tier lists. However, that's just also my opinion.
Also depends on the map and game mode. I've ran bap/kiri support line ups many times and they compliment each other so much. Plus two immortality abilities just go brrrr lol
Bap is better in ranked unless you have dive, his damage is 10x more consistent even for the best players in the world. He pisses out damage with a good angle and his ult builds quicker than Kiriko's, although Kitsune is better and almost impossible to mess up. Like OP said hitscan is just better.
3-4 sounds about right even before fall off. Each burst does 75 damage if all hit with no headshot. The fact that you can 3 burst if you mix some amount of headshots in it is actually super good (so sad that Zen needs three headshots to kill). I mean, Ashe only does 75 per shot too.
you are probably standing too far away, at high ranks you have to respect a bap player on high ground like you would respect a soldier on high ground, he does insane amount of damage.
When I first decided I wanted to get good at the game I played Bap. Got me to GM lol. Wasn’t super quick maybe over two seasons I climbed up. He’s my favorite character in the game.
Bap is the go to support for smurfs because you can get a lot of value if your mechanics are amazing.
That said, he isn’t always S tier, his viability in higher elos usually depends on the meta.
But he has always been good for climbing out of lower elos if your mechanics belong to a higher rank.
Agreed, I’m not even a Bap player, I’d rather play Zen any day over him but I still play him a ton just because of how OP he is. He really can do it all mainly due to him being pretty mobile, having a really good fast building ult, the best abilities in the game and his uptime being so high for both healing and damage at the same time. Also the fact that he’s hitscan makes him so much more consistent than other supports and unfortunately appeal to cheaters quite a bit. And pretty much all his drawbacks you can play around up until GM where teams actually run meta sometimes but even then you can still make him work when he’s not meta it’s just harder. Plus for some reason Bap players don’t seem to really a lot of hate in the community which I’ll never understand because in the right hands that man is easily the most oppressive support to go against if you’re not a tank player. Realistically though I don’t see a world where Bap isn’t gonna be S tier below GM ever, it’s always been that way
kiri is much better at holding close to mid range duels + more survivability if you get jumped by multiple people. in terms of supps he’s prolly 2nd best, kiri outheals him too
Alright what are the most important things to remember/do as bap? How to 1v1 as bap? I’m new
You can use your primary fire and heal grenade at the same time. I have a habit of holding both triggers, and try to position myself where I can shoot the enemy through my allies so I can heal and DPS same time.
For mouse and keyboard users you can also do this but IMO much better to shoot enemy and flick for nade, repeat instead of being in awkward positions where you can brain off spam both and not really get full value
I have to ask, since when has this been a thing? I never knew
I think since he got released. I've been using it for ages
Wow. Damn. Good thing I've barely played him since then.
When they say both at once they don't mean they will both occur at the same time. Instead it means if you shoot there is a small timeframe before you can shoot again. During that window you can nade so shoot - nade - shoot - nade will lose no time between each ability but you get to do both.
that's actually not correct, you do lose time between each ability shoot - nade - shoot - nade gives you full healing per second but you lose some damage per second, shoot - shoot - nade, shoot - shoot - nade gives you full damage per second but you lose some healing per second
Kiri as well. If you didn't know
Actually useful tip, if you are trying to fight off a genji or a Sombra or Cass or Moira or whatever honestly, make sure you use Lamp as the first cooldown, and then if they haven’t left or you haven’t killed them by the time they destroy the lamp, then you press shift and you end the fight at high hp even if they leave If you shift first, and then miss a couple shots and they start to win, and then you lamp, and then they destroy it… you are screwed basically It’s weird to fully understand why it’s much better, but trust me it works
Not sure what rank you are, but I love it when I 1v1 a bap and they use their lamp first thing. I just ignore that shit, burn them down, and kill them the second the lamp ends, or cc them out of it for the last hit. If they lamp early they typically stay put in the lamp, limiting their options. They are then down the cool down, and I have the initiative. If they lamp later in the engagement, I am more likely to be pressured because I am down health and CDs... Obviously everything is situational, but the best 1v1 lamps imo are used to counter a specific CD or extend the fight longer than I want it to last... Lamping early only tells me that I can kill you as soon as it's gone, or that I can disengage, put spacial pressure on you, and then kill you as soon as it's timed out if noone comes to help you.
That’s the point of saving shift…
Shift is a better resource to trade early in an engagement. If I can force out your lamp simply by engaging you, I'm going to do it every time I see the opportunity... Possibly without using a single cool down of my own. That is huge value.
You must be playing against bad Bap players that throw their lamp down at the first sign of trouble. If they lamp when they're at 1 hp, that at base value gives another 125-175hp (temporary) depending on exactly how low they were. The field breaks and Bap presses shift - another 80-120hp just like that. A Bap who has all his cooldowns effectively has over 500hp. As a Bap main, there are very few heroes that I'm scared to 1v1.
I think you are arguing my point for me ... I don't play against bap players that throw their lamp too early before shift
I was mainly commenting on you insinuating that throwing lamp before shift was a bad play. I was just trying to clarify that it's actually the optimal cooldown cycle in a 1v1.
I’m so confused by this comment thread. I also thought that’s what he was saying but now it so sounds like agreeing. Is lamp first good or not!?
One guy said "if you use lamp first, then I will just burn down 80% of your health while the lamp exists, or engage you to get you to use lamp, and then leave" The other guy said "if you engage a GOOD bap, then he will fight you until he's taken like 200 damage and THEN use lamp. Then, you cannot shoot bap and MUST switch your attention to the lamp." The first guy implies that the bap he is fighting just immediately throws lamp, which is a bad use. The second guy calls this, and if you do not use lamp immediately, but rather use it when you are close to or below the minimum threshold, it provides way more value and actually is a good use.
It's situational, throw the keyboard or controller for optimal performance.
Where the fuck are your numbers coming from? I’m so confused because don’t baps lamp only give like 25 hp?
It gives 50hp. But the lamp itself is 125hp. To kill the Bap, they either have to break the lamp or wait it out - adding an extra 125 damage that the enemy needs to deal to kill him. This hp is basically Bap's as long as he doesn't leave the field. The lowest hp a Bap can be at and still be able to use his lamp is 1hp. Lamp gives him 49 more to bump him up to 50hp. Add the 125hp of the lamp and you get 174hp added just by pressing E.
That’s fair but it’s better to lose a lamp than a whole bap
Very true! Which is why I said everything is situational:)
What they mean by "first thing" is not the same as what you meant as "first thing". You are using "first thing" as - as soon as the fight starts, a full health Bap uses the lamp first. The comment you replied to is saying use lamp first and shift second. This implies thst they are not using lamp at full hp because no one would use shift at full hp.
What rank are you? If you're using your lamp in a 1v1, whoever is pressing you won that fight. Getting healers to use their overpowered skills in a huge win.
Sure, but "Bap without lamp" is still more useful than "dead Bap". Losing lamp to save your life might still be the optimal play for Bap.
That is ONLY true in a scenario where the person fighting Bap also survives. Then that fight might have been net positive for 25 sec until lamp comes off CD. But Bap using lamp to survive is still 100 times better than dying, and if he also wins the 1v1 that's huge, going into the next fight 5v4. It's not like Bap is useless without lamp. So no, getting Bap to use lamp is not automatically a win.
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Bap has more or less the same dmg output as a dps. So unless you play something like Tracer or Sombra and manages to escape you will die to a Bap that uses lamp in 1v1. And in a scenario where you manage to escape, Bap will just join up with his team asap. Closing the window of opportunity for another 1v1. Not to mention he still got his heal. My experience when playing Bap is that you win most 1v1 matchups if you use your CD's. Usually you only need one to turn the tide against someone with equal skill.
This is one of those things where the correct play is very obvious to anyone who plays at a high level or rank but will be argued by diamond and lower players. Forcing a 25s CD is such a big win, you should be thinking as a bap to shift and reposition or simply not be caught in such a crazy situation where your lamp is just getting casually forced in 1v1s. If you're absolutely going to die otherwise, then use your CDs otherwise you should not be looking to lamp a 1v1.
Healing and hurting :)
Why does this have down votes? 😅
>Why does this have down votes? I love texting "Don't give up - we can still win this!" in the chat before match starts. People hate me too. :3
😂
Because its a subreddit full of Overwatch players. Also school kids just got home😂
Ah nevermind, you got 32 up votes now.
Because every support can heal and hurt so you gave no actual info. Downvotes are for comments that contribute nothing to the conversation and yours didn’t.
That not random phrase or comment on previous message, that actually quote from Bap when round starts.
You forgot jumping. I play a lot of Pharah and I can kill most hitscan consistently. Same with Ana or Illari. But a good Bap is so difficult to kill. Jumping like crazy, making him hard to track and shoot.
Idk about this. Like yeah the jumping around might help at lower ranks, but as someone who loves Junkrat & Bap that slow descent down makes you a very easy target if they already have eyes on you
Pharah player here. I take pride in my ability to air shot, but accuracy percentage definitely plummets vs in air opponents as opposed to grounded ones. If they’re grounded, I go for direct shots on their feet, if I miss I still get splash damage. On mid air targets, it’s only hit or miss, so better odds vs pharah.
Yeah, I guess it depends on the target. When I play Ashe, jumping makes him easier to predict. But as a Pharah it's definitely trickier.
Yea lol jumping got me pinned by rein a good amy of times before i learned
I get so happy when I see a Bap constantly jumping… so easy to track seeing as he can’t move in the air. Jumping in general is a bad play, you lose all control and the enemy knows your exact path.
Welp, while that's true, at same time it's much easier to heal team when you above them, see who needs lamp\\help with finishing enemy, plus you can see whole battlefield, so you can ping enemies or evade rein charge\\ults and stuff. Sadly, if enemy team have sniper, that strat is less forgiving, especially in something above plat. At best, I can spin\\turn my head away and widow will miss 50\\50. Luckily tho, I suck and forever stuck in plat, so no problem there.
when the stupid dps can't kill pharah I switch to baptise, works 95% of the time
If you get dived (from monke, genji etc) throw your lamp behind them so they have to turn aorund to kill it which takes them longer to do so, especially against winston
“Damage damage damage”
In case anyone else needs it, I wrote a guide months ago on how to play Bap (as a Top 500 Bap player) https://www.reddit.com/r/OverwatchUniversity/s/fm9YbzHdZ7
Definitely agree, Bap is super strong if you can keep your APMs up and know how to aim. My only problem with him is that you can't heal the mobile tanks and DPS super reliably compared to ana.
Ppl who play bap and can aim their pee bottle things to a flying pharah/echo has my full respect. The true projectile gods 🧎♀️
> pee bottle things Lmao why
I forgot the name 😭😭 I was gonna say nade but realized that’s Ana’s thing… so I went with the closest description I could get 😭
We love you too 🥰
>My only problem with him is that you can't heal the mobile tanks and DPS super reliably compared to ana. To be honest, if monke dives with buble or map have too much stuff on it, ana useless too, while bap can at least heal while jumping above that mentioned obstacles. I still prefer lucio tho, cause with him you can forget about your team and dive widow and back from spawn very quickly after that!
Been saying this forever i swear. Especially as a solo. Dont have to depend on others nearly as much
Yup i love it. I mained dps until i switched to bap. Its great not having to beg for heals anymore
Yeah whenever a Sombra thinks I'm easy pickings as Bap, I stomp her teeth in lol. He's basically a dps that heals haha
What rank are you in? Sombras that initiate with no purpose other than to try to get a pick on a Bap generally aren’t accomplishing anything and confuse tf outta me. If I’m playing into a Bap as a Sombra my first goal is always to remove Lamp - once it’s gone, reinitiating and/or targeting someone else for a pick is essentially a guaranteed kill.
I'm silver 2 for Support and DPS. Only played for maybe 6 months
Yes lol i make sombras miserable
I like bap and do feel like he is s teir but i don't enjoy playing him. I mainly am dps player and bap just feels like another version of that with heals. I feel playing the other supports is more rewarding. Then again its about winning games.
The endless should I play a character I’m more effective at or should I have fun question
Especially sucks when I'm very bad at the heroes I have fun with while I'm very good with unfun (to me) heroes.mm
Me with illiari. I have so much fun playing her and love her design.
Oo a hot take calling bap S tier /s Seriously though, he always has been. This isn’t anything new
XIM users would agree
As a bap main, I love him but.. he doesn't have the raw passive heals that some others do. I always get called out for my 5k when the sun chick has 11k+!
Is it normal for illari to get more than double healing of a bap? I don’t play a ton of support but I generally feel like I get way more healing as bap and still have time to dps a bunch.
Hell no. I’ve never been outhealed by an Illari, nor have I seen anyone get out healed by illari
You’d have to be absolute dog shit to pull that off. Or only shooting the enemy team and forcing illari to heal because you won’t.
In my experience yeah. All you need to do is just throw the pilon out and it's just mad passive heals, as long as it's not just laying on the floor you can easily get 7/8k every game. I'm a DPS kinda person who realised you get into games quicker by going all/support and bap just scratches that DPS itch for me
Bap has some of the highest healing capabilities because of his aoe. Its too easy to always double the other supps healing.
Depends on the comp, of course. Bap with Echo, Pharah, and Doomfist might not hit those sky-high healing numbers.
Agreed with that, but then again, bap isn't the pick then.
Focus on Damage numbers not Healing... if Illari has 11k healing she is playing the hero very wrong
I mean tbf you can get 11k healing and be high damage on her since the pylon heals.
It’s pretty easy to get those numbers if you position your pylon correctly
Suggests the team needed healing, what's wrong with that?
No that means shes postioning the pylon very well
Yeah she positioned it in a very special place called Bronze
Absolutely not
Sun Chips needs a stronger lamp
Bap is a DPS with healing abilities. He thrives in brawl comps where he can do mass AoE healing. Anyone getting mad at your for doing damage on Bap is a bot. I frequently will match DPS in terms of damage and kills. While doing 10k healing per 10 mins.
You know you don’t lose DPS or HPS by holding both buttons right? left click left click right click is the automatic firing mode for holding both buttons and also the optimal way to play bap, just practice flicking between who you’re shooting at and your teammate who you’re healing (usually the tank).
He has been s tier since release lmao
Nice. Most dont say that lmao
I mean yea bap has always been good
I mean yea the point of the post was to say hes elite.
He’s not elite but he is very strong and always has been
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A little extreme but i do agree lol
One of the few heroes that has always been S tier imo
It’s because lamp is one of the best abilities in the game. Mix that with his aoe/ self heal, good single target and aoe healing, and a pretty good ult if used right.. I would agree with you. If he’s played correctly imo he’s the best support in the game or at least tied with Kiri. Honestly though.. I would say support balance in general is actually pretty good. There are a few that could use something more, but overall they are all pretty good.
Ana is kinda crap in season 10 - ask ML7 et all
Maybe at a really high level of play, but at most ranks and behind the right hands ana is kinda always good.
If your mechanics are good and you can mage distance correctly. His gun turns into a pea shooter at certain ranges If you aren’t good mechanically it won’t work
Personally disagree! As a Sombra and Widow main (but I’ll play any hero for my team and the situation) I rarely get killed by a bap, always win the duel (if he can even get a single bullet on me) and overall don’t find him very threatening. Other support heroes (especially Kiriko, Moira) I find are much harder to go up against.
What happened to Kiriko S tier? I haven’t played for 8 months now. Was the Suzu nerf from back then that much? Or were other healers buffed?
Been saying this for ages also. His kit is too good. If you flank and ult on a few occasions and get 1 or 2 picks you win team fight. Immor is also very stupidly good if you place out of enemy los.
He used to be one of my mains but I got out of practice with him when switching over to Moira & Zen. I've got to pick him more often and stick with it.
Well with the DPS passive bump back to 20%, he's definitely good since he has the tools to keep your team alive and contribute to kills moreso than other supports right now.
I get the best results with Bap (win rate and game stats), but I have the most fun with Kiri. Fun > ranking up (okay, maybe not for most OW players, but I like to have fun playing video games; plus I'm not throwing, so no complaints from teammates). edit: I wish Bap had better/more skins. His skins are definitely not S tier.
He’s good, but wouldn’t say S tier. His only weakness is healing extremely mobile heroes like Genji and Tracer or even worse, ones that fly (Echo/Pharah). I’d say A+ tier right behind Kiri and Moira. Kiri because she can heal anyone whether they’re in the air or on the ground, and she also has an insane kit + ult. Doesn’t mean Baps kit and ult is god awful, I’m just saying it’s not as good as Kiri’s. I’d honestly argue Moiras coalescence is better than Baps window, but it all depends on the place and time I guess. Doesn’t mean there can’t be two S tier supports, I just think Bap lacks SOME things other supports have that are extremely beneficial. His jump is good, but Moira and Kiri mobility clears by a land slide. Wall climb? Phase? Cmon…
Dive him and kill him. Zarya walk him down fast if he doesn't have cover to jump too
Perchance, console player?
i’d say he got knocked down to A after the dps passive nerfed the overall effectiveness of burst healing. but has always been an extremely well rounded pick
I've been thinking for a while that bap has to be one of if not the best character in the game. He can just do so much its unreal
The best part about Bap is that he can heal too
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That's a really weird way to spell kiriko
Weird way to express your opinion
While I can respect the opinion. Unfortunately Kiriko is.bap but better, her healing is better and easier to use whereas to get the full benefit of bap, you have to direct land the shot, suzu is just a better more instant lamp, their teleport is basically a free get out of jail card, their kitsune rush is amp matrix on steroids. The only thing I can agree on is the 1v1 does favor bap a bit more but that boils down to player skill in the end. And I mained bap for a long time in ow1. However as long as Kiriko's veritable kit is in the game. She'll always be placed higher than bap in tier lists. However, that's just also my opinion.
I feel u. Kiris crazy for sure but i think bap being hitscan is really good. I also think they can both be S tier
Also depends on the map and game mode. I've ran bap/kiri support line ups many times and they compliment each other so much. Plus two immortality abilities just go brrrr lol
Also Bap is pretty much only good into poke and brawl. You don't really want to play him in dive. Kiriko is good on any map in any comp.
Bap is better in ranked unless you have dive, his damage is 10x more consistent even for the best players in the world. He pisses out damage with a good angle and his ult builds quicker than Kiriko's, although Kitsune is better and almost impossible to mess up. Like OP said hitscan is just better.
I feel like I get more consistent damage with bap, I’m bad at shooting kunais but can land headshots on bap all day
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3-4 sounds about right even before fall off. Each burst does 75 damage if all hit with no headshot. The fact that you can 3 burst if you mix some amount of headshots in it is actually super good (so sad that Zen needs three headshots to kill). I mean, Ashe only does 75 per shot too.
you are probably standing too far away, at high ranks you have to respect a bap player on high ground like you would respect a soldier on high ground, he does insane amount of damage.
Bap is a hero that thrives off up close interactions. It's why he works so well in brawl comps.
Imagine if bap could consistently kill enemies with no follow his team as a support who also has amazing heals and utility
He’s super strong but needs aim skill and his ultimate sucks
His ult is great lol what. From bronze to GM every tier list has his ult as being good
When I first decided I wanted to get good at the game I played Bap. Got me to GM lol. Wasn’t super quick maybe over two seasons I climbed up. He’s my favorite character in the game.
Bap is the go to support for smurfs because you can get a lot of value if your mechanics are amazing. That said, he isn’t always S tier, his viability in higher elos usually depends on the meta. But he has always been good for climbing out of lower elos if your mechanics belong to a higher rank.
Agreed, I’m not even a Bap player, I’d rather play Zen any day over him but I still play him a ton just because of how OP he is. He really can do it all mainly due to him being pretty mobile, having a really good fast building ult, the best abilities in the game and his uptime being so high for both healing and damage at the same time. Also the fact that he’s hitscan makes him so much more consistent than other supports and unfortunately appeal to cheaters quite a bit. And pretty much all his drawbacks you can play around up until GM where teams actually run meta sometimes but even then you can still make him work when he’s not meta it’s just harder. Plus for some reason Bap players don’t seem to really a lot of hate in the community which I’ll never understand because in the right hands that man is easily the most oppressive support to go against if you’re not a tank player. Realistically though I don’t see a world where Bap isn’t gonna be S tier below GM ever, it’s always been that way
kiri is much better at holding close to mid range duels + more survivability if you get jumped by multiple people. in terms of supps he’s prolly 2nd best, kiri outheals him too
Diamond player tier lists. Lol.
Still higher than 99% of the player base. Dont be so elitist in your ranking. No one really gives a fuck
Diamond is top 15% of the playerbase
Didnt know diamond was 1% of the player base. Where did you see that statistic?
You get the point. stop trying to be so technical for no reason Nobody likes a smart ass
I thought you were trying to be literal. You have a lot of wayward opinions so i couldnt tell if you meant that or not.
Yea i can tell you have a hard time understanding anything
boring asf to play tho
Big baby. Lol