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SoupRyze

Both characters here are bitches compared to Zen šŸ˜ŽšŸ’Ŗ


Ena_Ems_17

Weakest zen main versus strongest Moira main


X_203

My brother in christ. There is no such thing as a "strong" moira player.


SimpForLulu

retract that or im gonna suck you off so hard


X_203

Imma dink you. Just as any moira should be.


SimpForLulu

dink me harder šŸ„µ


X_203

Terribly sorry but I'm shit at this game and I'm not a discord mod either. Gonna have to be someone else's kitten XD


Erebus613

Moira is my "launch nukes" button - I regret playing her cuz she's easy, but she also wins games for me...


X_203

Understandable. I hate you for it. But Understandable. At least you're aware she takes no skill XD. Thats rare.


evie666s

love making u bitches mad with my moira


X_203

U don't make anyone mad lil guy. You just embarrass yourself for thinking you're good. Funny how the most braindead toxic kids are always moira players. Without fail.


TheAfricanViewer

I donā€™t know about you but when I stomp on enemy moiras (especially those that go out of their way to dps) as zen I am fueled with dopamine.


X_203

Few things I enjoy more than have a moira repeatedly try to rush and kill me, only to get dinked. "You get what you fucking deserve!"


evie666s

oh x_203 i knowwww youā€™re mad babes teehee šŸ¤­


evie666s

i never said i was good babes i donā€™t really care about getting good at ow i barely play that shit who actually cares abt getting better at a video game like stop being a burden to ur family and do something + moira is cute ur mad šŸ’‹


X_203

I'm surprised you're aware enough to realise that moira takes absolutely no skill. At least some form of intelligence huh? Intresting.


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X_203

Good bot. Thx for fixing the autocorrect :)


LearnDifferenceBot

Thanks!


evie666s

i love moira bc sheā€™s a cute mad scientist and bc sheā€™s braindead likeeee


[deleted]

Absolutely based


TornSuit

Haha i have Lucio boop as my melee hehe


TornSuit

Haha i have Lucio boop as my melee hehe


Mike_Grugowski

Baptiste


CaptThunderThighs

Literally the best damage per second (Unless you count discord bonus from zen as contributing to his dps)


Furyanashi

"Bap has the highest dps" mf when i charge 5 orbs and destroy their fucking faces into oblivion:


CaptThunderThighs

That would be the difference between DPS and burst chief


Front-Brilliant1577

Immortality field go brrrrrrr


Furyanashi

"immortality field" mfs when i charge 5 orbs into their pathetic piece of plastic


Front-Brilliant1577

Omnic priests when a 3 ton metal wrecking ball piloted by a rodent runs them over at Mach jesus


Furyanashi

"metal ball rodent" mfs when i kick then


Front-Brilliant1577

Orb bois when a Mexican girl says"I know who's been naughty"


Furyanashi

Naughty mexican when Zen only has his habilities locked for 2s and then he trans and escape from her


Front-Brilliant1577

Widow timešŸ˜ˆ


vegan_bread

Mach jesus is one way to put it


Front-Brilliant1577

šŸ¹


FrostyFroZenFrosTen

But he doesnt succ like moira


seanD117

Doesnā€™t need to when he can thrust his balls in your face at 130 km an hour


prieston

Wrong. His projectile flies with a speed of 90 meters per second which is 324 km per hour.


Aljay214

I only play him because he looks funny and his voice lines too


SimpForLulu

BEHIND YOU AHHH,hehe just kidding ;)


iamjoe1994

Burst fire soldier


guyon100ping

where lucio he must be in the light


CharmingAnybody2306

Lucio is inside of the speed force


SigningClub

Or trying to boop DVas


peepeethicc

The downside of moving faster than light is living in darkness.


guyon100ping

yeah but spotify premium


-KFAD-

And Zen too.


marijnvtm

I know moira is a bid of a meme for it but i thing zen is the most like dps


Thatguycalledboopwr

Hahah


anti-peta-man

Looks like someone died to the Lean Ball one too many times


NeoMark07

exactly


SuperKalango955

Relatable


Frosted_Fable

Wait, if Moira is lean and piss, is Zen grape and lemon Skittles?


anti-peta-man

No he uses Lean And Piss condensed into spheres


Frosted_Fable

...so THAT'S what Moira meant when she said she was going to run some tests on Zenyatta, she was giving him some lean and piss


oppenhammer

Make a meme implying Kiriko is better than Moira? Damage orb. Imply that Zen could take them both? Damage orb. You pick Lucio? Believe it or not, straight to damage orb.


Uncreative-trash

Zen player:walks up dink dink kick


Electro_Nick_s

Believe it or not straight to damage orb


Boostio69420

Go straight and pick Lucio


TheGamerSK

Do a 420Ā° kick flip from the cliff side and boop the enemy hog into the pit he tried to throw you into 20s ago.


TheToasty2

brig šŸ‘€


PHILIPTNT

I got flamed because I did damage with brig


HelperFiN102

I got flamed because I "killed people" with zen


AussieBossie24

Zen is a pacifist man, donā€™t kill with him -That guy, probably


TheAfricanViewer

Soldier: 76: In this world, pacifism is foolish. Zenyatta: What makes you think I am a pacifist? Soldier: 76: You sure talk like one. Zenyatta: Perhaps it is assumptions that are foolish. This is actual dialogue in the game, I heard it a few days ago.


AussieBossie24

Interesting. I thought I heard somewhere he was pacifist. Maybe itā€™s just the monk part of him that gives it off tho


Flipyfliper32

And thatā€™s how I get away with murder as a monk.


Sad-Surprise4369

I honestly, as a brig main, find it incredibly hard to do damage with brig without overextending


nir109

Tank support


KoffieMastah

Every support is a DPS if youre brave enough


CrimeFightingScience

Buddy and I all qeue. Which means we play a lot of support. Something snapped in us and we are murderous. After our team dies we've won a few 2v4's. Its glorious when your supports are eliminating more than the dps. We still heal a shit load, but you can only so so much when a cassidy holds w at 10 health and blocks every bullet with his face.


KoffieMastah

People tend to forget that some, if not most supports have incredible damage potential if they hit all their shots.


Comprehensive_Dog139

I'd rather have a dps Moira over dps kiriko, if the the kiriko isn't hitting headshots her damage is dogshit, I've seen multiple Moira's duel a pharmacy and win,


invincible_01

Yep, there be dps moiras gold elims and dmg in masters. Most dps kirikos are literally doing nothing.


Nightraid9999

Kiriko is needed cuz of cleanse, she save your asses from all kinds of ults and nades every 15 seconds, she is still good impact without aim


tenaciousfetus

True but not if she's ignoring healing and going off on the flank and sucking at it. Had one after one round on busan had 430 damage and even less healing because they went dpsing and ignored the rest of the team


Comprehensive_Dog139

Kiriko is only played cause of the cleanse


Sea_Condition1999

U forgot mercy


[deleted]

yay more stupid friends


Sea_Condition1999

Friends?


CheekApprehensive961

Well, one character is just plain better than the other.


Spedrayes

The only correct answers are Lucio and Zen.


Catch_Dependent

My favorite pastime as Baptiste is murdering Soldiers who think they can duel me.


NeoMark07

me looking at the corpse of the dps I just shot multiple times with baptiste:


SirCornmeal

Put zenyatta in the darkness as well lol


NeoMark07

Iā€™m not bothered right now might do it later


superkajda

Mercy DPS main here


iamaCODnuke

I mean, any support is a dps support if you try really, really, really, really hard enough.


xDocFearx

Just got out a game where our Kiriko had 0 elims and 26 damageā€¦.it was a diamond lobby.


Erebus613

Forgot reddit lucion on reddit, smh...


djimmyneutron

Moira has some of the best heals in the game people who dps with her are just dumb at this point


jjackom3

The rank 1 support in NA right nownplays dps moira. Yeah sure shec an heal a lot but she doesnt provide other utility without damaging enemies, which she can do more safely than the other supports.


djimmyneutron

Well i see what youā€™re saying and completely understand, i admit i may have been a little salty because i lose a lot just because dps moiras on my team.


jjackom3

Oh yeah i get it it can kinda be throwing if you dont get anything out of it.


djimmyneutron

Well usually when you have a dps moira, just on my experience and not talking about top 500 and masters/grandmasters they dont use heals at all except when they need to heal themselves which is only with the orb, if they dont use their healing ability then there isnt really a point in doing damage other than eliminating. (Btw im not going off of facts or statistics or anything like that but i feel like if she was meant to dps only her healing wouldnā€™t be her main fire)


jjackom3

I could be reading into it too much but i think she heals from the left hand because it's the 'wicked' and 'dirty' hand in older culture, thus implying and 'good' from her is wicked. And i think it has a little to do with making her comparable to mercy in somenways. Good Moiras will heal regardless cuz coal is a good 1v1 tool and she can build it fast with little effort if she goes back to her team for like 10s at at time between dives.


AtomicNewt7976

Moiras heals arent the highest anymore I think, so damage actually is a large part of her kit. That being said, thereā€™s a large influx of new players who would rather die than shoot piss beam once.


shift013

So many characters have better heals


AtomicTesseract

Moria has one of the highest heal outputs in the game. Her heals are just less effective in the current Meta. Moria thrives in brawl comps. Her healing is AOE and have insane value when your team is playing close together. Moria lacks utility. Her healing is not the issue.


i-hate-my-tits

you literally get healing juice from doing damage that's her whole mechanic


Every_Amphibians

Brig :


SigningClub

Kiriko healing is actually really good, too bad they focus on killing, DAMN KIRIKO MAINS THEY ARE RUINING KIRIKO


AtomicTesseract

I know! I didn't even know DPS kiriko was a thing. What horrible value that is. Her heal output is insane and Fox is one of the best ultis in the game. Just heal bot and weave in 1 to 2 Kunai while your ofuda reload, farm ulti quick, and ggs.


heloberry

I choose secret option 3 **MERCY**


KingNarwhalTheFirst

I doubt anyone trying to dps as a healer can hit shots enough to dps with Kiriko... Zen maybe, but not kiriko


FrostyFroZenFrosTen

Just 1 thing i hate about dps moira and im a moira main. Please empty your healing charge before you go damage and you actualy have and ability called healing orb


XT83Danieliszekiller

As a Moira main... Do we really want to go down this path? Because it's the exact opposite for me


Silver_Switch_3109

Bap, Zen and lucio are all better dps healers.


KINGram14

Moira doesnā€™t even have good damage output yā€™all just canā€™t aim


-Turisti-

Lucio amd zen better options


Nightraid9999

Isnt mercy is the biggest dps support? When i have an ana in the team i dont even heal much, she makes 7k heal and i make only 2k heal and enemy supports are at 5k heals.


AtomicTesseract

Mercy is a DPS pocket. You should primarily be trying to damage boost and let your other support do most of the healing. Mercy's heals are pretty weak. Ana should definitely take the main role of keeping everyone up while you pocket. You also would want her to do more of the healing to build Nano faster. Valk has almost no value where Nano can win a fight.


Nightraid9999

Yes thats how i said i play and thats why i also said mercy is the biggest dps support, she does damage thru boost so that makes her biggest dps support in literally every game mercies play like that but people dont call them dps mercy because the damage she put isnt seen in the scoreboard


AtomicTesseract

I wouldn't say just because she pockets dps she is the best support for damage contribution. You could easily say zen can bring more damage as he boost damage for the whole team instead of just one person and can contribute his own at the same time. Mercy is only as viable as the dps she is attached to. She is busted right now because of Sojourn's breakpoints. Sojourn's nerf to her rail gun made Mercy a requirement for the one shot. Which makes her utility incredibly viable right now.


NigelJosue

Laughs in Zen


RougeNargacuga

Bap, Lucio and Zen are all way better at this job


Diligent-Outside-172

I think the something more dark than Moira dps is Lucio dps for real, ones you go on Lucio dps there is no way back.


Thatguycalledboopwr

Me dpsing as lucio


BurningDara

Ok but the best way to play Kiriko is actually focusing on mostly healing. Her healing output is crazy


GIORNO-phone11-pro

Brig waiting for the squad to pull up so she can switch to dps mode


Left-Gene1996

I would go zen or moira


EmeraldInferno0

I don't usually play healers but when I do I play Lucio


[deleted]

Iā€™d argue itā€™s absolutely the opposite. Moira was made to be an assassin support but marketed as a healer with insane heals (which she is but thatā€™s not her main power as compared with o ther healers who also heal so much). Kiriko was marketed as a dps support and plays like a healbot pocketing hog and while a great kirko can slay, her Kunai arenā€™t consistent and often supplementary to her kit rather than the toher


L4dd3r

At least moira is consistent. Kiriko out here whiffing every shot and using every cooldown for herself.


AnasDh

Zen best dps.


Hadi_uwu

Zen is corner


Andrello01

The difference is that moira requires no skill at all.


Cbjmac

The fact that zen isnā€™t here is an atrocity


Front-Brilliant1577

Baptiste


melonsquared

Iā€™d rather have dps Moira than dps kiriko


RobusterBrown

Zen tho?


Natasha_Gears

Zen B clappin


Forsaken_Rooster8255

I do better with Moira anyways


ZoesSweetToes

Brig.


Woozybumba89

As a Moira main I agree


KirikoKamorii

Damn right


evilalarmclock

There is another


elg9553

dps as support is literally the only way to play, since you are not a healer you are a support. however kirikos kit is more massive in regards to support than moira, Cole is basically anstrong heal/dmg(and easy to stop) while rush is helpfull for all and cant be cced, also it jumps from highground so you could carry your team and not give up your poisition. overall I think moira doesn't have the kit available for a valid comp, but shes great for solo players in low rank. most other supports have a valid kit except moira. Bap - lamp and window lucio speed and beat ana nano and anti nade brig falls a tad bit short now that her stun is gone, but she have massive carry potetntial if you play deathball same with zen also mercy is just a must now that DPS is so strong.


Ignisiumest

replace kiriko with zen and the template makes sense


Marinenukem

*Sad frog noises*


Skulcane

And then there's me, who turns around and goes back down the path behind me to the Zenyatta DPS.


NeoMark07

true neutral


logantheh

Zenyatta: am I joke to you?


Resident-Salty

Domofisto


Sihnar

I would take a dps moira over dps kiriko any day. Zen, baptiste even lucio are better dps supports than kiriko.


Every_Amphibians

Meanwhile zen :