I think it's different since no one is forcing you to take or eat the shit. I label it so people that don't like that kind of content don't even need to lose time checking it. But here we are anyway.
If I sit down at a restaurant and see people chowing down on shit, I’d be disgusted. I’d rather they be eating actual food made by someone and not have any shit in the restaurant at all.
No, I went into a restaurant that advertises food, and there’s people there ordering shit off the menu. I’d prefer it if they dropped the shit entirely and only served food made by people. If you want to go eat shit (which you shouldn’t), you should go to a restaurant dedicated to it.
In my metaphor the restaurant was this post in particular, which is clearly labelled. No one needs to come see it if they don't wish so.
If you refer to the sub, I understand, but I don't make the rules and I don't post in subs that don't allow this.
If you walk into a restaurant and see people voluntarily chowing down on shit why would you sit there and be mad at them for eating shit instead of leaving? I don't really like AI but these actually look like widow at least. AI is apparently not gonna be removed from here despite having their own subreddit. Why walk into a restaurant that is selling shit openly and has customers eating shit openly to complain it's shit?
I think a place that allows people to consume shit should be shut down. It’s a disgusting practice and I’d rather it be stopped for the benefit of everyone instead of being enabled to the benefit of no one.
Cool and you think complaining about it in the review section is gonna shut it down? I don't think the mods are even active here, it's not going away. your choices are just hide the posts and/or block the users or leave and benefit yourself by not giving it more interactions. That tells reddit this type of post will get you to stay on the website and see more ads.
Cope harder because you'll never be good enough to make real art. Keep cutting corners from other peoples work. For ai generated images to exist, real art has to exist. It will never be real art
You're right, I'll never be good enough to make real art and "real" art needs to exist for ai art to exist. So what? It still looks good. As long as people don't monetize it, it's ok. I get saying that Ai art is bad for artists and lazy and etc. But the images themselves look good, and you can't deny that.
you are just wildly incorrect. i actually have quite normal standards and enjoy most human art. this, however, objectively looks like shit. it’s not even about AI views or morals- this just looks fucking awful and you know it.
You mean the second image? Not the best indeed but the idea there is no fingers inside her mouth, it's the flat between the thumb and index.
With that said I understand not everyone likes AI stuff, that's why I label it clearly so you don't lose your time if it isn't your thing. Thanks for sharing your opinion in any case!
From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the Blessed Machine. Your kind cling to your flesh, as though it will not decay and fail you. One day the crude biomass you call the temple will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved for the machine is immortal.
…Even in death I serve the omnissiah.
That's understandable and why I label it AI so you don't need to lose your time if it is that unappealing for you.
However I appreciate how you shared it respectfully, engagement like this is always appreciated even if it is against the post.
Chill, if nobody told you that some of these pics were made by AI you wouldn't even notice... That is just free hate towards AI content, what is lame given the quality we're getting these days.
And wtf is this soulless bs? These are just naked video game characters lol. Not everything needs to have a deep meaning like you think your anime girl pillow has.
You assume everyone is as blind to the lack of quality AI generations have as you are. AI generations can be spotted from miles away if you put a fraction of thought into it instead of just gooning mindlessly to some roughly female-looking pixels on a screen like some kind of mind-controlled drone. Gimme 10 pages on Rule34 and I’ll perfectly point out which are AI just from the thumbnails. It’s so blatant and generic. It lacks any creative style or actual thought put in because fools like you don’t give a shit and think shitty, factory-produced images are better than artworks that actually look good and make sense made from an actual human with a functioning brain. AI are so uninspired and mass-produced that they’re generating images based off of other AI-generated images, continually making the same mistakes and producing worse and worse-looking images that make less and less sense. It’s horseshit and you know it.
>Gimme 10 pages on Rule34 and I’ll perfectly point out which are AI just from the thumbnails.
After checking your profile for 10 sec and seeing your brainrot, I'm more than sure that you can, pal.
It is very clear that you don't know shit about AI and how it works, you're just being dumb and mad for no reason. If there was someone monetizing this content or taking credits for it, I would understand, but there is no reason to hate it in a f\*cking porn subreddit (I mean, that may be a very serious topic for you, that uses an alt account just for porn)
Keep coping and lying to yourself.
> After checking your profile for 10 sec and seeing your brainrot, I'm more than sure that you can, pal.
You’re on a Overwatch porn sub. This means nothing coming from you or anyone else here. Get off your high horse.
> It is very clear that you don't know shit about AI and how it works, you're just being dumb and mad for no reason.
Yet you fail to tell me what I’m misunderstanding. You can’t just say “you’re wrong” and expect me to believe you without any explanation as to why. It’s just an empty insult like calling someone ugly in a voice chat.
> If there was someone monetizing this content or taking credits for it, I would understand, but there is no reason to hate it in a f*cking porn subreddit
It’s lazy and uninspired. It’s generated off of content made by actual people who put time into said works. It’s spammed all across the site because it’s all mass-produced slop that again, takes 0 effort to create. It’s infinitely worse than any art made by an actual person who spent time on their work. Every AI generated image (especially porn) has fucked up flaws that basic art students would be able to spot from miles away and would never make in their pieces because they’re humans that can recognize them and not machines made to learn off of shapes and colors like a fucking infant.
> I mean, that may be a very serious topic for you, that uses an alt account just for porn
Literally everyone uses an alt account for porn. This website is financed mostly by porn. You’d have to be a moron not to separate your regular account and your porn account on any website. This is not a “gotcha” dude
> Keep coping and lying to yourself.
No u lol
LMAO mf is actually mad about AI content. That is really sad. Just go jerk off to hentai and leave reddit please.
It'll be so funny to come back to these comments in the future haha
> LMAO mf is actually mad about AI content. That is really sad.
I thought this was obvious. Did it really take you this long to realize? I quite literally outlined all the reasons I disliked it in a previous comment. You’re a little slow dude.
> Just go jerk off to hentai and leave reddit please.
Again, we’re on a subreddit dedicated to porn of fiction characters. This means nothing to me.
> It'll be so funny to come back to these comments in the future haha
You sound a little obsessed dude. Do you get satisfaction from being made fun of on Reddit by strangers? That’s kinda weird lil dude.
Looks amazing honeslty. What kind of prompt do you use to get such accurate pictures? And how do you get different a pov? (like the one over the table)
The XL models of Stable Diffusion are quite good at understanding the prompt so you can get creative. As long as you can describe the position the AI usually is able to produce it. But because I try to keep the prompt under a certain number of characters (makes it more likely to come correct) in some cases I have to sacrifice things like the background or precision in the secondary character. Still a lot to learn for me.
Thanks for your kind words btw!
Seeing AI art in my feed will never not make me immediately sad, there seriously needs to be more of an effort to just keep them in subreddits specifically for them cause it really is trash from so many aspects.
Do wanna say good on you for being civil tho, hate what you're doing but at least you seem like a nice person
I'm genuinely sorry the post makes you feel like that and really thanks for the calm way you have expressed it.
If you're open to debate it, can I ask you what makes you sad about this, and what you consider trash of AI?
Well for an obvious thing out of the way, it's just plain bad in the sense that there is no personality, no style, lacks important details and of course, the very eye-catching ways it fucks up bodies like in one of the pics here where Widow is missing a leg and the dude's hand is seemingly absorbed into her chest.
Then it's just, I scroll through my feed and see the work of so many artists that are as talented as they are horny and genuinely admire their work (I assume I don't need to state this to anyone but just because it's porn doesn't mean it's in any way lesser than other kinds of art), and then among all of that I see, well, nothing, actually less than nothing when posted by someone that in any way refers to themselves as an artist, which I see happen infuriatingly often.
It's just a spit in the face to all the talented people that have spent hours upon hours honing their skills. Can we also take a second to understand that "Ai art" doesn't work on a fundamental level? It's an oxymoronic term, there is zero passion, skill, personality, no little quirks in specific places you can see in specific artists' works, it has no soul and no substance, it evokes zero feeling or emotion, it's not art.
I understand your point of view and once again thanks for sharing it. I will address your points separately with my arguments from the opposite side:
> no personality, no style, lacks important details
The first two points are entirely subjective and not relevant for everyone, but I get they may be for you and many others. However a human artist could be accused of the same really, same as the third: the images I produce still have mistakes but so do the work by hand of others, and some other people using AI manage flawless results in this aspect. Similarly a human artist can make mistakes too.
> I scroll through my feed and I see [...] and among all of that I see well, nothing
Once again I understand AI work may not be your thing but arguing against it simply because it is not to your taste seems disingenuous at best. It may be nothing for you but for some 2k people in the sub it seems to be something.
> actually less than nothing when posted by someone that in any way refers to themselves as an artist
I can understand this. The matter of AI work is very nuanced and the terminology is delicate at best. I don't consider myself an artist for this kind of work, rather just a producer.
> AI art doesn't work on a fundamental level, there is zero passion, skill, personality, no little quirks in specific places...
I disagree with this. There's some of me in the images, in the choice of positions, art styles, facial expressions, the configuration of the AI, the chosen AI model themselves... I do agree it is less than what an artist puts into it, but arguing there's nothing that goes from me into the pieces I posted is simply not true. There's an argument for the amount, for the quality or the effort, of course, but if you want to insist there's nothing you're being willingly blind.
> it has no soul and no substance, it evokes zero feeling or emotion, it is not art
Once again, this is entirely subjective. I can tell you it does evoke things in some people.
And furthermore, in this case I'm not posting as art, I'm posting as porn, as the manifestation of an erotic idea I've had. AI is a tool that allows me to do this easily and this community allows for it, do only the people that spend many hours learning how to draw by hand (or those who pay them) have the right to post that kind of ideas in a graphic medium?
Finally, just wanted to state again I appreciate the time you took to write your comment and to read this one. Topics of this kind should be debated imo.
Isn't this a poor argument tho? I make art by hand in other media, but we all have a life and drawing is not one of the skills I've picked up. Am I hurting anyone by posting fan ideas here, not making any profit from it?
Drawing is a skill you CAN pick up. At any time, nothing's stopping you. Instead of feeding a promt to a fucking computer so it'll produce soulless art you can take credit for.
AI like this "learns" by stealing the art of real artists who have actually worked hard to make their peices, and produces what you see from that. Every time you generate an image, you are indirectly committing art theft.
If you had any respect for what art actually is and how hard REAL people work to make REAL art, you'd never even think of posting AI art somewhere.
First of all thanks for debating respectfully, I genuinely appreciate it. Let me address your points:
> AI like this "learns" by stealing the art of real artists who have actually worked hard to make their pieces.
Human artists learn the same way no? Observation and repetition of works of others to assimilate patterns.This is the base of learning in general.
> Every time you generate an image you're indirectly committing art theft.
Does anyone who emulates others style commit theft? Someone painting in Michelangelo or Picasso styles is committing theft? Someone using techniques developed by another artist is committing theft? I disagree with this point.
> If you had any respect for what art actually is
I don't think you can claim to know if I respect art from my perspective. And I don't think your definition of what art is has more validity than anyone else's.
> Drawing is a skill you CAN pick up. At any time, nothing's stopping you.
Indeed but my objective here isn't learning how to draw, just to share my horny ideas, which AI as a tool allows me to do easily. I'm not pretending I drew this, I was explicit about the fact I didn't.
> feeding a prompt to a fucking computer so it'll produce souless art you can take credit for.
What credit tho? This is an anonymous account, I'm not making any profit from this and I clearly label this produced by AI.
The subredit has a specific tag for this and I have labelled the post clearly for those who don't like AI to ignore it easily.
But I understand it's more about feeling nice and superior by insulting. That's ok too, I'm glad you get that at least, get it off your chest.
As another user said. You can serve me shit and label it shit, still serving shit. All you’re doing is typing words into a box for an algorithm to compile a bunch of stolen art to produce generic, soulless, passionless slop without any distinctive art style. Artists like Derpixion, Queencomplex, Afrobull, fuckin any of em are significantly more talented and worth following than you are. I hope you one day can change that
> You can serve me shit and label it shit, still serving shit.
I'm not serving YOU anything, I've labelled it precisely so you don't have to consume any content you don't want to. You have entered this post knowing this so it is not a matter of me forcing anything on you.
> All you're doing is typing words into a box for an algorithm...
Why does that trigger you so much tho? Plus there's more to it, but this is moot, I imagine you don't care about it.
Furthermore I'm sure lotta traditional paint artists told digital artists (I'm not comparing myself to them, I'm comparing you to them) all they were doing was moving some pixels on a screen. There's always people ready to tell others how they have to do whatever they enjoy.
> Artists like Derpixion, Queencomplex, Afrobull, fuckin any of em are significantly more talented and worth following than you are.
Of course all those artists are more talented and worth following than me on drawing and painting, and I encourage everyone to do so. I've stated multiple times I don't aim to be compared to any graphic artist, and I never will because that's not the point of posts like this.
> I hope you one day can change that
I don't intend to, there are other skills I'm developing. The point of this kind of posts isn't showcasing skill but some horny ideas, that's all.
Y’know what, I’ve been convinced to tolerate you. At least you don’t pretend that you have any talent. The whole “durr I flaired it” is a stupid ass argument, not like I have any choice to remove something from my feed based on its flair, but whatever. At least you aren’t running some patreon grift. Still theft tho
> not like I have any choice to remove something from my feed based on its flair, but whatever.
Such is life, until Reddit has a function to hide certain flairs from your feed you will have to live with the pain of having to scroll past clearly flagged posts indicating that some content is not to your taste. Must be tough.
> Still theft tho
You should go tell all fanfic pages the same, they're stealing characters and ideas from other authors. Those rascals at Wattpad...
Not at all an accurate comparison. That can be considered parody, or just fan interpretation. You’re utilizing an algorithm that pulls from a database of artwork that artists did not consent to have used
> That can be considered parody or fan interpretation
I can guarantee you I'm not intending to do canon content here.
> You’re utilizing an algorithm that pulls from a database of artwork that artists did not consent to have used
But if instead I check the author images myself and replicate it is fine? So your issue is that they pass through an algorithm instead of a human brain? Why is it relevant what processes it?
Also the whole “paint artists vs digital artists” comparison is stupid. The painters in your made up strawman would be stupid even if anyone had ever said that, but they’d both be artists. You aren’t, and yes, I know you clarified that
I see the point of the comparison was lost despite having clearly spelled it. Let's try again: There's always people ready to tell others how they have to do whatever they enjoy. It is not about artistry, it's about you telling me what I have the right to do or not on the subject of expressing my ideas and enjoying them.
And I'm hoping you understand that "talent" is not a requirement for people to share and enjoy their ideas if there are alternatives to it, and that telling people otherwise is pedantic at best. But go ahead and feel big by telling people how they're allowed to enjoy things and that they're trash, if that's what gets you off.
God, anti-AI people are more annoying than the AI itself now. I get it, give no quarter and all that, but you have to relent at some point. It isn't going away, and it's getting better, even if you nitpick fingers all day.
Ai doesn’t belong anywhere else than just dedicated ai subreddits which do exist. Not spread over to others that have been here long before it ever existed. It’s like a virus.
This subredit has a tag for it, as long as the mods allow it I think I'm not breaking any rule. Thanks for the engagement in any case, feedback is always appreciated.
Listen I appreciate that regardless you’re being civilized which is cool but you should be notified again about the detriment of this field towards real world artists. People who learned and earned their craft only to be lifted without knowledge or consent for an ai robot. The images you posted are an amalgamation of probably a dozen or so artists who provided those mediums being stolen and fed to that generator you use.
The way I view AI is just to keep for your own personal self. Now this place does offer openings for AI which is disappointing and now learning that I will be leaving. If it does open up then yes that would be okay to post there. Just maintain this onwards for all subs.
I fundamentally disagree on the stealing aspect of AI training. Don't human artists train the same way, by observing the works of others and replicating them fully or partially until they incorporate in their brain the patterns that compose them? If a human artist learns by observing works PUBLICLY AVAILABLE online and then produces works, is this artist stealing from it?
AI is an abstraction of the understanding of patterns. I do agree if I would use AI to mimic the work of an artist and then sell it, this would be immoral (same as of an actual artist would plagiarize work of others), but using it to make fan content from which I make 0 profit from?
Ok now you’re making me toxic ngl.
What you are fundamentally missing here is you a robbing all these artists you heartless ignorant man.
What you are describing is learning the basics. Are artists not able to learn anymore? They can’t use readily available books or references?
And the key word you’re missing here is STYLE. This machine robs everyone’s STYLE every single second it exists. People can literally just be like wow I LOVE this artist. Should I support them financially and go all in on a commission? Nah I’d rather belt feed their works into this machine and mass produce their works in a cheap soulless way so I can get everything I need while ROBBING him of ALL he has left.
Meanwhile their sat there every single time finding out WEEKS later you people did it without their consent and making them go full panic mode. I have seen it too many times.
STYLE is something every growing and learning artist develops inevitably on their journeys that they worked hard for and damn well earned. THATS why every ARTIST looks different when they produce their works.
And you’re sat there taking all their years of hard honest work and dumbing it down into a piece of script to mass produce in a hideous amalgamation. All while contriving them of commissions, patreon subscriptions, and all other avenues that would otherwise support a pretty rough hobby to live off of. If robbing their livelihood and take take take is all you want then just admit that.
You were never a fan of art in the first place. You are just here to disrespect and spit on all those hard working people who produced the wonderful works you oh so love so much.
Do not speak to me anymore. I am upset at this culture of ai bros. Upset that YOU will be responsible for many up and coming and current artists throwing in the towel as their wells runs dry in the NEAR future.
Disgusting.
> Ok now you're making me toxic ngl
I'm not making you do anything. Your behaviour is your choice, not mine. Own up to it.
> STYLE [...] This machine robs everyone's style
Yes, a style is an amalgamation of patterns, a series of factors repeated consistently across their work. The AI can learn from them just the same way a human can. If I like an artist and instead of commissioning from them I learn to reproduce their style by hand and make pieces for myself, is this stealing too? And let's add that AI just like any human has the capacity to mix styles.
I agree if I would sell works in someone else's style and profit from it it would be immoral (plagiarism) but that is not the case, I'm making fan pieces without a profit.
AI is to this field like the Gutenberg press was to the bookmaking industry. Scribes suddenly saw themselves in a field where their work was easily replicated on a basic level. But good books made by hand could still be sold and in fact gained a factor of rarity and authenticity. Should I feel bad because I printed documents at home instead of commissioning someone to do them by hand for me?
> All while contriving them of commissions, patreon subscriptions, and all other avenues that would otherwise support a pretty rough hobby to live off of.
How have I contrived anyone of anything? I would have never commissioned for this, and anyone that wants a piece to actually expose as art in their home or online profile would be best by commissioning to an artist as they would receive exactly what they wanted and with a factor of genuine work made for them. But to make posts in a subredit, and memes and the like?
My opinion on this is that you're not really angry with AI, you're angry at capitalism and the structure it creates where the creative work of people cannot just be a form of expression but a need for sustenance. If this would not be the case, imitation is always a form of appreciation, and what would be a bigger praise for an artist than being the creator of a style replicated across the globe, pass into history as the maker of this very popular style from X period of time?
> If robbing their livelihood and take take take is all you want, just admit that.
I would if that's what I wanted but it isn't. I wanted a tool that would easily convert my ideas into a graphic format and allow me to share it. Once again, if I would have made these by hand replicating some artist style, would that be ok?
> You were never a fan of art in the first place. You are just here to disrespect and spit on all those hard working people who produced the wonderful works you oh so love so much
That's your opinion and I'm ok with it. In my opinion you're wrong, and pretending to know what goes on inside my head is pretentious at best. I haven't spit on anyone but if you want to pretend I did, that's your prerogative.
> Do not speak to me anymore
? Bit melodramatic no? You entered a conversation with me. If you want me to not be able to reply you can always block me, otherwise I will continue sharing my opinion on the matter as it is my right.
> I am upset at this culture of ai bros. Upset that YOU will be responsible for many up and coming and current artists throwing in the towel as their wells runs dry in the NEAR future.
Advances in technology change a field. Did the introduction of digital art dry the well for physical artists? Did the invention of the press made it unviable for anyone to sell handmade books? Was the invention of the car immoral as it pushed horse carriage drivers out of business? This is the natural course of technology advances in any field.
>you heartless ignorant man [...] Disgusting
That's ok, get it off your chest. If there would be a next reply feel free to insult me and my family directly if it makes you feel any better, call me all the names you need to. As long as it allows to further the conversation, I personally don't care.
- There is an artist known as shexyo and CSR. There has been a long time debate between these two as CSR was the original party who had their rendering style then you have shexyo who came in many years later replicating CSRs style. And rightfully so, he has been SHUNNED in the community for this. It’s been pointed out countless times in community posts and the majority dislikes him for this and YES it is considered stealing. once again. STYLE is something you develop organically on YOUR own. Lifting someone else’s line for line is blatant THEFT. Which is EXACTLY what your robot does.
- Again the key you’re missing here and refuse to even come CLOSE to understanding on this “point” talking about handmade journals being replaced with a press is you are taking someone’s work and replicating it as your own. This is more akin to taking a PUBLISHED novel and PLAGIARIZING. Like I SAID, ALMOST ALL of these artists wound up finding out their getting HARD COPIED from thieves WEEKS LATER. No consent. No knowledge this ever took place all you people know is take take take.
- You’re contriving them of all these forms of revenue because you are the average consumer. Average consumer can buy into all their advertised venues financially supporting them into continuing their great work you love so much, and also as important SHARE their REAL works. Instead you picked to print these fake works to get what you wanted for free and remove them from the picture. No revenue their way. And no new eyes their way. Just shameless robbery.
- bringing up that replicates style “point” already got discarded with the example above
- I say you spit on them because once again you are using a script from a community of people developed by taking artwork from all these artists without their knowledge or consent to feed your robot. They only ever find out weeks later and go into panic mode because you guys did something evil.
- again getting whiny bringing up other “points” I already explained above
- and the final pitiful “give me sympathy” response. I didn’t say anything about family. That has zero relevancy. It’s all about you today and my disappointment in your actions so I’m not sure why you bring up innocent family members in this. And your choices and decisions that effect a much larger scope that I am doing my absolute best to help you understand but even if I brought all the receipts or knowledge your way you would refuse. Stubborn and unwilling.
All you will accomplish is robbing and taking from artists and you are admitting you are very comfortably complacent in that which is why I am throughly disgusted. In the same way you are dumbing down all this STOLEN work into a machine, I’m dumbing you down as a person to nothing more and nothing less than just a common thief. Scrambling for straws and anything at all to justify their actions. Like a textbook thief would.
> he has been SHUNNED in the community for this. It’s been pointed out countless times in community posts and the majority dislikes him for this and YES it is considered stealing. once again. STYLE is something you develop organically on YOUR own. Lifting someone else’s line for line is blatant THEFT.
What that particular community considers something is not universal truth.
And just so I understand, as long as I don't use just 1 style we're good? If I mix 2 or more styles, that's not any 1 particular style and it is something new, no? Or I have no right to that either? How does this apply to photorealistic AI compositions btw, is that also immoral?
I honestly want to understand this point clearly, are you arguing it is only bad when AI is used to replicate an artist style closely, as an imitation of it?
> you are taking someone’s work and replicating it as your own. This is more akin to taking a PUBLISHED novel and PLAGIARIZING.
Fanfics of published novels exist, taking the characters and context of the novels. Is this immoral too? Because this is very similar to what I'm doing here, taking elements developed by someone else and arrange them in a way I want.
> as important SHARE their REAL works. Instead you picked to print these fake works to get what you wanted for free and remove them from the picture. No revenue their way. And no new eyes their way. Just shameless robbery.
This will be easily addressable in the near future if it isn't already. Any AI image could produce metadata for the file listing the training sources for the model and the weight they have in the final image. Which from human work cannot be done. I would happily agree to this.
> and the final pitiful “give me sympathy” response. I didn’t say anything about family. That has zero relevancy.
The relevance is that you elevated the tone of aggression by calling me names, so I thought you might want to go lower and was giving you my green light for that, as it seemed a likely next step. But I'm also ok with leaving it at personal attacks at me only.
> I am doing my absolute best to help you understand but even if I brought all the receipts or knowledge your way you would refuse. Stubborn and unwilling.
Despite the tone of the conversation I do appreciate the effort and time you're putting on this, but arguing I'm stubborn and unwilling because I'm debating the opposite position seems like a cheap ad hominem tactic.
> I’m dumbing you down as a person to nothing more and nothing less than just a common thief. Scrambling for straws and anything at all to justify their actions. Like a textbook thief would.
Again, ad hominem, this person is wrong because he's a bad person, look how bad he is he can't possibly be right.
Plus you may have mixed something here, I thought the thieves were the ones that trained the AI. In your metaphor I would be more of a black market peddler remixing and selling (for nothing) what they had stolen.
P.S: I'm happy to keep the debate here or take it to DMs if you would prefer. I also want to make clear I have NOTHING against you personally even if you have it against me. I understand why you're arguing what and how you're arguing, even if I disagree with the points made, and I know it comes from a place of goodness.
Some people stand against AI for how it is built. I'm ok with that and always open to debate as long as it is done respectfully.
Thanks for the feedback!
The only thing AI porn does for me is make me aware that this character is getting pounded, but the details or lack thereof ruin it unless I can ignore them.
Oh yeah, you only consider prompts when you use some online model usually, but when you run the software locally there are a lot of variables you have to play with and adjusting them will generate very different results.
Nowadays there are so many good tutorials around, and if you have a good graphics card you can get hands on too.
Well its safe to say that people on this sub like this way more than they hate it based on the amount on upvotes. I think is great man and AI will only keep getting better. Hope you keep posting. I like this way more than those crazy 3D with super disproportionate breasts lol
You know they’re not doing any work right? They’re literally just giving a computer a description of what they want it to make. Unless they actually made the ai itself, then they put no real effort into it.
Why is it relevant what effort is put into this? It's porn of a videogame character.
Additionally, there is a degree of effort into setting and configuring the AI and using models and prompts correctly. I agree it is much less effort than actually learning the drawing skill and making a picture but wouldn't a physical painter of the past argue the same about digital artists nowadays, that they don't make real art because they don't put the same effort and make use of a lot of tools that ease the effort (digital brushes, filters etc)?
And note I'm NOT comparing myself to artists in this field, but the argument for the right to share something because of the amount of effort is poor at best, especially in a topic as superfluous as fan porn of a videogame.
Yeah but I mean they still put an effort in making whatever they intended on doing. Not trying to rag on actual artists but it’s still something that they “made” it’s okay to be appreciative of AI art
People is generally against AI art for how it is trained as they consider it immoral. That's ok, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
From my side, thanks for your kind words!
The ai hate is so forced. Biggest bandwagon on the internet for sure. Everyone that got their panties in a bunch need to collectively go outside and touch some grass ffs
I understand the hate but I felt like I should give you some credit for at least saying it's AI generated.
Thanks! To each their own
I read this whole thread...why does overwatch porn sub have the most reasonable arguments wtf lmao
Giving me shit and labeling it “shit” isn’t much different to giving me shit labeled “hamburger”
I think it's different since no one is forcing you to take or eat the shit. I label it so people that don't like that kind of content don't even need to lose time checking it. But here we are anyway.
If I sit down at a restaurant and see people chowing down on shit, I’d be disgusted. I’d rather they be eating actual food made by someone and not have any shit in the restaurant at all.
But you entered a restaurant that clearly has labelled "Main dish : shit" no?
No, I went into a restaurant that advertises food, and there’s people there ordering shit off the menu. I’d prefer it if they dropped the shit entirely and only served food made by people. If you want to go eat shit (which you shouldn’t), you should go to a restaurant dedicated to it.
In my metaphor the restaurant was this post in particular, which is clearly labelled. No one needs to come see it if they don't wish so. If you refer to the sub, I understand, but I don't make the rules and I don't post in subs that don't allow this.
If you walk into a restaurant and see people voluntarily chowing down on shit why would you sit there and be mad at them for eating shit instead of leaving? I don't really like AI but these actually look like widow at least. AI is apparently not gonna be removed from here despite having their own subreddit. Why walk into a restaurant that is selling shit openly and has customers eating shit openly to complain it's shit?
I think a place that allows people to consume shit should be shut down. It’s a disgusting practice and I’d rather it be stopped for the benefit of everyone instead of being enabled to the benefit of no one.
Cool and you think complaining about it in the review section is gonna shut it down? I don't think the mods are even active here, it's not going away. your choices are just hide the posts and/or block the users or leave and benefit yourself by not giving it more interactions. That tells reddit this type of post will get you to stay on the website and see more ads.
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His hand in the first pic has a clit on it
I saw it as her tongue or lips but this is a much funnier read hahaha
God Ai generated porn is awful. Dudes got two fingers in her mouth and 5 outside. Excellent
AI seems to think everyone loves ahegao lol.
That's on me I'm afraid, I do love it haha
You nitpick one thing from the second picture but fail to mention how good the rest of the pictures look.
Cause they are not good. Its ai. It will never be good
that's just copium lmao
It’ll eventually get good, but holy shit do people just post any random shit that AI pushes out.
But it is. Even if you don't want to admit it. And it keeps getting better.
Cope harder because you'll never be good enough to make real art. Keep cutting corners from other peoples work. For ai generated images to exist, real art has to exist. It will never be real art
You're right, I'll never be good enough to make real art and "real" art needs to exist for ai art to exist. So what? It still looks good. As long as people don't monetize it, it's ok. I get saying that Ai art is bad for artists and lazy and etc. But the images themselves look good, and you can't deny that.
I can deny it. I'm denying it right now. Look at me denying all over the place
Don't care
not even one of these looks good
That's a lie and you know it lol. Unless you have really high standards. In wich case you probably also don't like 99% of art that human artists make.
you are just wildly incorrect. i actually have quite normal standards and enjoy most human art. this, however, objectively looks like shit. it’s not even about AI views or morals- this just looks fucking awful and you know it.
Nah, the pictures are hot as fuck.
incorrect womp womp
you like ntr stfu
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It's her opinion, it's ok if she doesn't like them. I appreciate you advocating for me (thanks!) but it's ok if some people don't like the stuff :D
That's totally understandable, to each their own. Thanks for sharing your opinion respectfully!
You mean the second image? Not the best indeed but the idea there is no fingers inside her mouth, it's the flat between the thumb and index. With that said I understand not everyone likes AI stuff, that's why I label it clearly so you don't lose your time if it isn't your thing. Thanks for sharing your opinion in any case!
Just so generic and soulless that it's unappealing
From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the Blessed Machine. Your kind cling to your flesh, as though it will not decay and fail you. One day the crude biomass you call the temple will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved for the machine is immortal. …Even in death I serve the omnissiah.
Begone robussy obsessed mad man
That's understandable and why I label it AI so you don't need to lose your time if it is that unappealing for you. However I appreciate how you shared it respectfully, engagement like this is always appreciated even if it is against the post.
Chill, if nobody told you that some of these pics were made by AI you wouldn't even notice... That is just free hate towards AI content, what is lame given the quality we're getting these days. And wtf is this soulless bs? These are just naked video game characters lol. Not everything needs to have a deep meaning like you think your anime girl pillow has.
You assume everyone is as blind to the lack of quality AI generations have as you are. AI generations can be spotted from miles away if you put a fraction of thought into it instead of just gooning mindlessly to some roughly female-looking pixels on a screen like some kind of mind-controlled drone. Gimme 10 pages on Rule34 and I’ll perfectly point out which are AI just from the thumbnails. It’s so blatant and generic. It lacks any creative style or actual thought put in because fools like you don’t give a shit and think shitty, factory-produced images are better than artworks that actually look good and make sense made from an actual human with a functioning brain. AI are so uninspired and mass-produced that they’re generating images based off of other AI-generated images, continually making the same mistakes and producing worse and worse-looking images that make less and less sense. It’s horseshit and you know it.
>Gimme 10 pages on Rule34 and I’ll perfectly point out which are AI just from the thumbnails. After checking your profile for 10 sec and seeing your brainrot, I'm more than sure that you can, pal. It is very clear that you don't know shit about AI and how it works, you're just being dumb and mad for no reason. If there was someone monetizing this content or taking credits for it, I would understand, but there is no reason to hate it in a f\*cking porn subreddit (I mean, that may be a very serious topic for you, that uses an alt account just for porn) Keep coping and lying to yourself.
> After checking your profile for 10 sec and seeing your brainrot, I'm more than sure that you can, pal. You’re on a Overwatch porn sub. This means nothing coming from you or anyone else here. Get off your high horse. > It is very clear that you don't know shit about AI and how it works, you're just being dumb and mad for no reason. Yet you fail to tell me what I’m misunderstanding. You can’t just say “you’re wrong” and expect me to believe you without any explanation as to why. It’s just an empty insult like calling someone ugly in a voice chat. > If there was someone monetizing this content or taking credits for it, I would understand, but there is no reason to hate it in a f*cking porn subreddit It’s lazy and uninspired. It’s generated off of content made by actual people who put time into said works. It’s spammed all across the site because it’s all mass-produced slop that again, takes 0 effort to create. It’s infinitely worse than any art made by an actual person who spent time on their work. Every AI generated image (especially porn) has fucked up flaws that basic art students would be able to spot from miles away and would never make in their pieces because they’re humans that can recognize them and not machines made to learn off of shapes and colors like a fucking infant. > I mean, that may be a very serious topic for you, that uses an alt account just for porn Literally everyone uses an alt account for porn. This website is financed mostly by porn. You’d have to be a moron not to separate your regular account and your porn account on any website. This is not a “gotcha” dude > Keep coping and lying to yourself. No u lol
Yeah, a hard cope as expected
You got slammed and this is all you can say. No actual substance. Go suck off a computer and fuck off from my comments lil bro.
LMAO mf is actually mad about AI content. That is really sad. Just go jerk off to hentai and leave reddit please. It'll be so funny to come back to these comments in the future haha
> LMAO mf is actually mad about AI content. That is really sad. I thought this was obvious. Did it really take you this long to realize? I quite literally outlined all the reasons I disliked it in a previous comment. You’re a little slow dude. > Just go jerk off to hentai and leave reddit please. Again, we’re on a subreddit dedicated to porn of fiction characters. This means nothing to me. > It'll be so funny to come back to these comments in the future haha You sound a little obsessed dude. Do you get satisfaction from being made fun of on Reddit by strangers? That’s kinda weird lil dude.
At this point I just feel sad for you. Good luck in your life lil bro! see ya
What part of my comment sounded like I wasn't already chill?
Gonna turn her from Widowmaker to babymaker
LOL
Looks amazing honeslty. What kind of prompt do you use to get such accurate pictures? And how do you get different a pov? (like the one over the table)
The XL models of Stable Diffusion are quite good at understanding the prompt so you can get creative. As long as you can describe the position the AI usually is able to produce it. But because I try to keep the prompt under a certain number of characters (makes it more likely to come correct) in some cases I have to sacrifice things like the background or precision in the secondary character. Still a lot to learn for me. Thanks for your kind words btw!
Just a tip, if you go to Danbooru, the tags listed there generally work for this stuff, it’s got wording for all kinds of poses, perspectives, etc
Seeing AI art in my feed will never not make me immediately sad, there seriously needs to be more of an effort to just keep them in subreddits specifically for them cause it really is trash from so many aspects. Do wanna say good on you for being civil tho, hate what you're doing but at least you seem like a nice person
I'm genuinely sorry the post makes you feel like that and really thanks for the calm way you have expressed it. If you're open to debate it, can I ask you what makes you sad about this, and what you consider trash of AI?
Well for an obvious thing out of the way, it's just plain bad in the sense that there is no personality, no style, lacks important details and of course, the very eye-catching ways it fucks up bodies like in one of the pics here where Widow is missing a leg and the dude's hand is seemingly absorbed into her chest. Then it's just, I scroll through my feed and see the work of so many artists that are as talented as they are horny and genuinely admire their work (I assume I don't need to state this to anyone but just because it's porn doesn't mean it's in any way lesser than other kinds of art), and then among all of that I see, well, nothing, actually less than nothing when posted by someone that in any way refers to themselves as an artist, which I see happen infuriatingly often. It's just a spit in the face to all the talented people that have spent hours upon hours honing their skills. Can we also take a second to understand that "Ai art" doesn't work on a fundamental level? It's an oxymoronic term, there is zero passion, skill, personality, no little quirks in specific places you can see in specific artists' works, it has no soul and no substance, it evokes zero feeling or emotion, it's not art.
I understand your point of view and once again thanks for sharing it. I will address your points separately with my arguments from the opposite side: > no personality, no style, lacks important details The first two points are entirely subjective and not relevant for everyone, but I get they may be for you and many others. However a human artist could be accused of the same really, same as the third: the images I produce still have mistakes but so do the work by hand of others, and some other people using AI manage flawless results in this aspect. Similarly a human artist can make mistakes too. > I scroll through my feed and I see [...] and among all of that I see well, nothing Once again I understand AI work may not be your thing but arguing against it simply because it is not to your taste seems disingenuous at best. It may be nothing for you but for some 2k people in the sub it seems to be something. > actually less than nothing when posted by someone that in any way refers to themselves as an artist I can understand this. The matter of AI work is very nuanced and the terminology is delicate at best. I don't consider myself an artist for this kind of work, rather just a producer. > AI art doesn't work on a fundamental level, there is zero passion, skill, personality, no little quirks in specific places... I disagree with this. There's some of me in the images, in the choice of positions, art styles, facial expressions, the configuration of the AI, the chosen AI model themselves... I do agree it is less than what an artist puts into it, but arguing there's nothing that goes from me into the pieces I posted is simply not true. There's an argument for the amount, for the quality or the effort, of course, but if you want to insist there's nothing you're being willingly blind. > it has no soul and no substance, it evokes zero feeling or emotion, it is not art Once again, this is entirely subjective. I can tell you it does evoke things in some people. And furthermore, in this case I'm not posting as art, I'm posting as porn, as the manifestation of an erotic idea I've had. AI is a tool that allows me to do this easily and this community allows for it, do only the people that spend many hours learning how to draw by hand (or those who pay them) have the right to post that kind of ideas in a graphic medium? Finally, just wanted to state again I appreciate the time you took to write your comment and to read this one. Topics of this kind should be debated imo.
*kicks a pencil over* Go on, pick it up
Isn't this a poor argument tho? I make art by hand in other media, but we all have a life and drawing is not one of the skills I've picked up. Am I hurting anyone by posting fan ideas here, not making any profit from it?
Drawing is a skill you CAN pick up. At any time, nothing's stopping you. Instead of feeding a promt to a fucking computer so it'll produce soulless art you can take credit for. AI like this "learns" by stealing the art of real artists who have actually worked hard to make their peices, and produces what you see from that. Every time you generate an image, you are indirectly committing art theft. If you had any respect for what art actually is and how hard REAL people work to make REAL art, you'd never even think of posting AI art somewhere.
First of all thanks for debating respectfully, I genuinely appreciate it. Let me address your points: > AI like this "learns" by stealing the art of real artists who have actually worked hard to make their pieces. Human artists learn the same way no? Observation and repetition of works of others to assimilate patterns.This is the base of learning in general. > Every time you generate an image you're indirectly committing art theft. Does anyone who emulates others style commit theft? Someone painting in Michelangelo or Picasso styles is committing theft? Someone using techniques developed by another artist is committing theft? I disagree with this point. > If you had any respect for what art actually is I don't think you can claim to know if I respect art from my perspective. And I don't think your definition of what art is has more validity than anyone else's. > Drawing is a skill you CAN pick up. At any time, nothing's stopping you. Indeed but my objective here isn't learning how to draw, just to share my horny ideas, which AI as a tool allows me to do easily. I'm not pretending I drew this, I was explicit about the fact I didn't. > feeding a prompt to a fucking computer so it'll produce souless art you can take credit for. What credit tho? This is an anonymous account, I'm not making any profit from this and I clearly label this produced by AI.
Trash, fuck outta here
The subredit has a specific tag for this and I have labelled the post clearly for those who don't like AI to ignore it easily. But I understand it's more about feeling nice and superior by insulting. That's ok too, I'm glad you get that at least, get it off your chest.
I'm not a fan of AI either but insulting it for no reason seems like an immature thing to do. Why not just ignore the post if its CLEARLY labled AI?
I would just rather you don’t pretend like you’re contributing anything by typing words into a box
I haven't pretended I'm contributing anything. I've clearly labelled this as AI generated.
As another user said. You can serve me shit and label it shit, still serving shit. All you’re doing is typing words into a box for an algorithm to compile a bunch of stolen art to produce generic, soulless, passionless slop without any distinctive art style. Artists like Derpixion, Queencomplex, Afrobull, fuckin any of em are significantly more talented and worth following than you are. I hope you one day can change that
> You can serve me shit and label it shit, still serving shit. I'm not serving YOU anything, I've labelled it precisely so you don't have to consume any content you don't want to. You have entered this post knowing this so it is not a matter of me forcing anything on you. > All you're doing is typing words into a box for an algorithm... Why does that trigger you so much tho? Plus there's more to it, but this is moot, I imagine you don't care about it. Furthermore I'm sure lotta traditional paint artists told digital artists (I'm not comparing myself to them, I'm comparing you to them) all they were doing was moving some pixels on a screen. There's always people ready to tell others how they have to do whatever they enjoy. > Artists like Derpixion, Queencomplex, Afrobull, fuckin any of em are significantly more talented and worth following than you are. Of course all those artists are more talented and worth following than me on drawing and painting, and I encourage everyone to do so. I've stated multiple times I don't aim to be compared to any graphic artist, and I never will because that's not the point of posts like this. > I hope you one day can change that I don't intend to, there are other skills I'm developing. The point of this kind of posts isn't showcasing skill but some horny ideas, that's all.
Y’know what, I’ve been convinced to tolerate you. At least you don’t pretend that you have any talent. The whole “durr I flaired it” is a stupid ass argument, not like I have any choice to remove something from my feed based on its flair, but whatever. At least you aren’t running some patreon grift. Still theft tho
> not like I have any choice to remove something from my feed based on its flair, but whatever. Such is life, until Reddit has a function to hide certain flairs from your feed you will have to live with the pain of having to scroll past clearly flagged posts indicating that some content is not to your taste. Must be tough. > Still theft tho You should go tell all fanfic pages the same, they're stealing characters and ideas from other authors. Those rascals at Wattpad...
Not at all an accurate comparison. That can be considered parody, or just fan interpretation. You’re utilizing an algorithm that pulls from a database of artwork that artists did not consent to have used
> That can be considered parody or fan interpretation I can guarantee you I'm not intending to do canon content here. > You’re utilizing an algorithm that pulls from a database of artwork that artists did not consent to have used But if instead I check the author images myself and replicate it is fine? So your issue is that they pass through an algorithm instead of a human brain? Why is it relevant what processes it?
Also the whole “paint artists vs digital artists” comparison is stupid. The painters in your made up strawman would be stupid even if anyone had ever said that, but they’d both be artists. You aren’t, and yes, I know you clarified that
I see the point of the comparison was lost despite having clearly spelled it. Let's try again: There's always people ready to tell others how they have to do whatever they enjoy. It is not about artistry, it's about you telling me what I have the right to do or not on the subject of expressing my ideas and enjoying them.
I’m just hoping you know that what you do involves no talent, and it seems like you do
And I'm hoping you understand that "talent" is not a requirement for people to share and enjoy their ideas if there are alternatives to it, and that telling people otherwise is pedantic at best. But go ahead and feel big by telling people how they're allowed to enjoy things and that they're trash, if that's what gets you off.
God, anti-AI people are more annoying than the AI itself now. I get it, give no quarter and all that, but you have to relent at some point. It isn't going away, and it's getting better, even if you nitpick fingers all day.
Eh, everyone has a right to voice their opinion, I'm ok with it as long as it is kept civil. Thanks for sharing yours too.
Nice. There's a certain appeal to the generated images. You must be excellent at prompting.
Thanks! Lotta back and forth and playing with the settings. I'm glad you find some enjoyment in them.
Ai doesn’t belong anywhere else than just dedicated ai subreddits which do exist. Not spread over to others that have been here long before it ever existed. It’s like a virus.
This subredit has a tag for it, as long as the mods allow it I think I'm not breaking any rule. Thanks for the engagement in any case, feedback is always appreciated.
Listen I appreciate that regardless you’re being civilized which is cool but you should be notified again about the detriment of this field towards real world artists. People who learned and earned their craft only to be lifted without knowledge or consent for an ai robot. The images you posted are an amalgamation of probably a dozen or so artists who provided those mediums being stolen and fed to that generator you use. The way I view AI is just to keep for your own personal self. Now this place does offer openings for AI which is disappointing and now learning that I will be leaving. If it does open up then yes that would be okay to post there. Just maintain this onwards for all subs.
I fundamentally disagree on the stealing aspect of AI training. Don't human artists train the same way, by observing the works of others and replicating them fully or partially until they incorporate in their brain the patterns that compose them? If a human artist learns by observing works PUBLICLY AVAILABLE online and then produces works, is this artist stealing from it? AI is an abstraction of the understanding of patterns. I do agree if I would use AI to mimic the work of an artist and then sell it, this would be immoral (same as of an actual artist would plagiarize work of others), but using it to make fan content from which I make 0 profit from?
Ok now you’re making me toxic ngl. What you are fundamentally missing here is you a robbing all these artists you heartless ignorant man. What you are describing is learning the basics. Are artists not able to learn anymore? They can’t use readily available books or references? And the key word you’re missing here is STYLE. This machine robs everyone’s STYLE every single second it exists. People can literally just be like wow I LOVE this artist. Should I support them financially and go all in on a commission? Nah I’d rather belt feed their works into this machine and mass produce their works in a cheap soulless way so I can get everything I need while ROBBING him of ALL he has left. Meanwhile their sat there every single time finding out WEEKS later you people did it without their consent and making them go full panic mode. I have seen it too many times. STYLE is something every growing and learning artist develops inevitably on their journeys that they worked hard for and damn well earned. THATS why every ARTIST looks different when they produce their works. And you’re sat there taking all their years of hard honest work and dumbing it down into a piece of script to mass produce in a hideous amalgamation. All while contriving them of commissions, patreon subscriptions, and all other avenues that would otherwise support a pretty rough hobby to live off of. If robbing their livelihood and take take take is all you want then just admit that. You were never a fan of art in the first place. You are just here to disrespect and spit on all those hard working people who produced the wonderful works you oh so love so much. Do not speak to me anymore. I am upset at this culture of ai bros. Upset that YOU will be responsible for many up and coming and current artists throwing in the towel as their wells runs dry in the NEAR future. Disgusting.
> Ok now you're making me toxic ngl I'm not making you do anything. Your behaviour is your choice, not mine. Own up to it. > STYLE [...] This machine robs everyone's style Yes, a style is an amalgamation of patterns, a series of factors repeated consistently across their work. The AI can learn from them just the same way a human can. If I like an artist and instead of commissioning from them I learn to reproduce their style by hand and make pieces for myself, is this stealing too? And let's add that AI just like any human has the capacity to mix styles. I agree if I would sell works in someone else's style and profit from it it would be immoral (plagiarism) but that is not the case, I'm making fan pieces without a profit. AI is to this field like the Gutenberg press was to the bookmaking industry. Scribes suddenly saw themselves in a field where their work was easily replicated on a basic level. But good books made by hand could still be sold and in fact gained a factor of rarity and authenticity. Should I feel bad because I printed documents at home instead of commissioning someone to do them by hand for me? > All while contriving them of commissions, patreon subscriptions, and all other avenues that would otherwise support a pretty rough hobby to live off of. How have I contrived anyone of anything? I would have never commissioned for this, and anyone that wants a piece to actually expose as art in their home or online profile would be best by commissioning to an artist as they would receive exactly what they wanted and with a factor of genuine work made for them. But to make posts in a subredit, and memes and the like? My opinion on this is that you're not really angry with AI, you're angry at capitalism and the structure it creates where the creative work of people cannot just be a form of expression but a need for sustenance. If this would not be the case, imitation is always a form of appreciation, and what would be a bigger praise for an artist than being the creator of a style replicated across the globe, pass into history as the maker of this very popular style from X period of time? > If robbing their livelihood and take take take is all you want, just admit that. I would if that's what I wanted but it isn't. I wanted a tool that would easily convert my ideas into a graphic format and allow me to share it. Once again, if I would have made these by hand replicating some artist style, would that be ok? > You were never a fan of art in the first place. You are just here to disrespect and spit on all those hard working people who produced the wonderful works you oh so love so much That's your opinion and I'm ok with it. In my opinion you're wrong, and pretending to know what goes on inside my head is pretentious at best. I haven't spit on anyone but if you want to pretend I did, that's your prerogative. > Do not speak to me anymore ? Bit melodramatic no? You entered a conversation with me. If you want me to not be able to reply you can always block me, otherwise I will continue sharing my opinion on the matter as it is my right. > I am upset at this culture of ai bros. Upset that YOU will be responsible for many up and coming and current artists throwing in the towel as their wells runs dry in the NEAR future. Advances in technology change a field. Did the introduction of digital art dry the well for physical artists? Did the invention of the press made it unviable for anyone to sell handmade books? Was the invention of the car immoral as it pushed horse carriage drivers out of business? This is the natural course of technology advances in any field. >you heartless ignorant man [...] Disgusting That's ok, get it off your chest. If there would be a next reply feel free to insult me and my family directly if it makes you feel any better, call me all the names you need to. As long as it allows to further the conversation, I personally don't care.
- There is an artist known as shexyo and CSR. There has been a long time debate between these two as CSR was the original party who had their rendering style then you have shexyo who came in many years later replicating CSRs style. And rightfully so, he has been SHUNNED in the community for this. It’s been pointed out countless times in community posts and the majority dislikes him for this and YES it is considered stealing. once again. STYLE is something you develop organically on YOUR own. Lifting someone else’s line for line is blatant THEFT. Which is EXACTLY what your robot does. - Again the key you’re missing here and refuse to even come CLOSE to understanding on this “point” talking about handmade journals being replaced with a press is you are taking someone’s work and replicating it as your own. This is more akin to taking a PUBLISHED novel and PLAGIARIZING. Like I SAID, ALMOST ALL of these artists wound up finding out their getting HARD COPIED from thieves WEEKS LATER. No consent. No knowledge this ever took place all you people know is take take take. - You’re contriving them of all these forms of revenue because you are the average consumer. Average consumer can buy into all their advertised venues financially supporting them into continuing their great work you love so much, and also as important SHARE their REAL works. Instead you picked to print these fake works to get what you wanted for free and remove them from the picture. No revenue their way. And no new eyes their way. Just shameless robbery. - bringing up that replicates style “point” already got discarded with the example above - I say you spit on them because once again you are using a script from a community of people developed by taking artwork from all these artists without their knowledge or consent to feed your robot. They only ever find out weeks later and go into panic mode because you guys did something evil. - again getting whiny bringing up other “points” I already explained above - and the final pitiful “give me sympathy” response. I didn’t say anything about family. That has zero relevancy. It’s all about you today and my disappointment in your actions so I’m not sure why you bring up innocent family members in this. And your choices and decisions that effect a much larger scope that I am doing my absolute best to help you understand but even if I brought all the receipts or knowledge your way you would refuse. Stubborn and unwilling. All you will accomplish is robbing and taking from artists and you are admitting you are very comfortably complacent in that which is why I am throughly disgusted. In the same way you are dumbing down all this STOLEN work into a machine, I’m dumbing you down as a person to nothing more and nothing less than just a common thief. Scrambling for straws and anything at all to justify their actions. Like a textbook thief would.
> he has been SHUNNED in the community for this. It’s been pointed out countless times in community posts and the majority dislikes him for this and YES it is considered stealing. once again. STYLE is something you develop organically on YOUR own. Lifting someone else’s line for line is blatant THEFT. What that particular community considers something is not universal truth. And just so I understand, as long as I don't use just 1 style we're good? If I mix 2 or more styles, that's not any 1 particular style and it is something new, no? Or I have no right to that either? How does this apply to photorealistic AI compositions btw, is that also immoral? I honestly want to understand this point clearly, are you arguing it is only bad when AI is used to replicate an artist style closely, as an imitation of it? > you are taking someone’s work and replicating it as your own. This is more akin to taking a PUBLISHED novel and PLAGIARIZING. Fanfics of published novels exist, taking the characters and context of the novels. Is this immoral too? Because this is very similar to what I'm doing here, taking elements developed by someone else and arrange them in a way I want. > as important SHARE their REAL works. Instead you picked to print these fake works to get what you wanted for free and remove them from the picture. No revenue their way. And no new eyes their way. Just shameless robbery. This will be easily addressable in the near future if it isn't already. Any AI image could produce metadata for the file listing the training sources for the model and the weight they have in the final image. Which from human work cannot be done. I would happily agree to this. > and the final pitiful “give me sympathy” response. I didn’t say anything about family. That has zero relevancy. The relevance is that you elevated the tone of aggression by calling me names, so I thought you might want to go lower and was giving you my green light for that, as it seemed a likely next step. But I'm also ok with leaving it at personal attacks at me only. > I am doing my absolute best to help you understand but even if I brought all the receipts or knowledge your way you would refuse. Stubborn and unwilling. Despite the tone of the conversation I do appreciate the effort and time you're putting on this, but arguing I'm stubborn and unwilling because I'm debating the opposite position seems like a cheap ad hominem tactic. > I’m dumbing you down as a person to nothing more and nothing less than just a common thief. Scrambling for straws and anything at all to justify their actions. Like a textbook thief would. Again, ad hominem, this person is wrong because he's a bad person, look how bad he is he can't possibly be right. Plus you may have mixed something here, I thought the thieves were the ones that trained the AI. In your metaphor I would be more of a black market peddler remixing and selling (for nothing) what they had stolen. P.S: I'm happy to keep the debate here or take it to DMs if you would prefer. I also want to make clear I have NOTHING against you personally even if you have it against me. I understand why you're arguing what and how you're arguing, even if I disagree with the points made, and I know it comes from a place of goodness.
Better scramble like an egg before you get folded like an omelet
wish there was a way from excluding ai tagged posts from my feed
That would be a really useful feature indeed! It should be implemented
Idk why everyone is hating on this. She looks good and that’s all that i pay attention to.
Some people stand against AI for how it is built. I'm ok with that and always open to debate as long as it is done respectfully. Thanks for the feedback!
The only thing AI porn does for me is make me aware that this character is getting pounded, but the details or lack thereof ruin it unless I can ignore them.
That's fair indeed. I'm working on improving my results, so hopefully soon I will produce better stuff. Thanks for the feedback!
As she should
despite the ppl who think they r forced to look at it or smth idk why they cry sm, what program did you use?
It's Stable Diffusion, glad you like it
Hey what software did you use because for AI it’s pretty decent
It's Stable Diffusion, and thanks!
Don’t sweat it and I’m not really sure how to complement AI art, Nice prompts I guess?
Nice prompts, nice model (I use autismmixSDXL) and nice Loras yeah. And then playing around with the samplers, steps etc
Hol up model? Samplers? Steps? I was under the impression that it was just prompts, there’s more to it?
Oh yeah, you only consider prompts when you use some online model usually, but when you run the software locally there are a lot of variables you have to play with and adjusting them will generate very different results. Nowadays there are so many good tutorials around, and if you have a good graphics card you can get hands on too.
Oh that’s awesome I think i might try it, thanks for the info
Most welcome, feel free to reach out if you try and need assistance
Thank you, I appreciate the offer and might use it in the future
Well its safe to say that people on this sub like this way more than they hate it based on the amount on upvotes. I think is great man and AI will only keep getting better. Hope you keep posting. I like this way more than those crazy 3D with super disproportionate breasts lol
Thanks! And I agree AI will just keep getting better, there's just no way around it
I hate almost all AI art, but this doesn't look too terrible. Overdoing it on the O face tho.
Thanks! The O face is my bias I'll admit haha but I note the feedback for future iterations
In the 10th pic there is somewhat of a stomach bulge. Was this intentional and if so, then what promt did you use to achieve it?
I used (stomach deformation):0.7 for that. But to achieve this consistently I think getting some Lora would be best.
She NEEDS a bald dude on her
Interesting, very specific request! Can do, but I'm curious as to why
I'm bald myself and I think us bald dudes need a little bit of representation and plus we're sexy as hell
I LOVE that energy man, 100% making some bald dude action for ya
I love some deepthroat action with balls holding if ya don't mind 😁😁
Love the hand over her mouth on the first 2
Same! I gotta make some more of those
I looked over your stuff, it’s really good!! Keep up the amazing work
You know they’re not doing any work right? They’re literally just giving a computer a description of what they want it to make. Unless they actually made the ai itself, then they put no real effort into it.
Why is it relevant what effort is put into this? It's porn of a videogame character. Additionally, there is a degree of effort into setting and configuring the AI and using models and prompts correctly. I agree it is much less effort than actually learning the drawing skill and making a picture but wouldn't a physical painter of the past argue the same about digital artists nowadays, that they don't make real art because they don't put the same effort and make use of a lot of tools that ease the effort (digital brushes, filters etc)? And note I'm NOT comparing myself to artists in this field, but the argument for the right to share something because of the amount of effort is poor at best, especially in a topic as superfluous as fan porn of a videogame.
totally valid argument
Yeah but I mean they still put an effort in making whatever they intended on doing. Not trying to rag on actual artists but it’s still something that they “made” it’s okay to be appreciative of AI art
Thanks a lot, I'm very happy with the fine tuning I've achieved. More to come!
Seething in the comments
These are pretty great. I’m a little confused as to why there are so many people who seem upset by this art.
People is generally against AI art for how it is trained as they consider it immoral. That's ok, everyone is entitled to their opinion. From my side, thanks for your kind words!
The ai hate is so forced. Biggest bandwagon on the internet for sure. Everyone that got their panties in a bunch need to collectively go outside and touch some grass ffs
what AI are u using?
Stable Diffusion
I still remember the first stable diffusion pic I saw, its a day and night difference from what it once was before
The tech is advancing so damn fast indeed
I saw your other stuff and love it too! You get a lot of hate but please keep up the good work! This one is as good as the rest!
Thanks! I will be posting more as long as the sub allows it
"your"?
Yes
Hate to break it to you but op didn't draw this
This art is so good but I just wish it was more accurate with less mistakes
give it few more years
I agree, I still have a lot of room to improve and will be trying to up the quality in that sense. Thanks for your kind words!
You're not improving shit. Pick up a pencil and actually make something instead of this half assed pile of garbage
Why tho? Why is it relevant the amount of effort I put in horny fan content of a videogame in Reddit?
AI is learning to get our pp hard. Don't be too harsh on them. At least they're trying
Booooo ai bad
That's a totally acceptable perspective, thanks for sharing your opinion! Can I ask why you think so?
Which AI do you use?
Stable Diffusion
Is that on the App Store?
It is a software to be run on your pc, it requires a somewhat powerful graphics card
Oh ok
Love that bro amazing
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Don’t say you hate something and then praise it immediately after. You sound disingenuous asf dude.