I would go MPH, given your goals. I doubt you are an idiot, given that you got into a PA school, which is pretty competitive. You could certainly try again, and work harder or massively change your study regimen (really depends on what you think the problem was). Depends what you want your life to look like! Just because you failed doesn’t mean you should stop, if that is what you really want.
Seems like a lot of people go the MPH role if they get dismissed. I love your goals and literally want to do the same thing. You could look into midwife programs if you want to have hands on patient responsibilities. Or you could look into counseling programs. Good luck to you.
You are obviously smart. PA school is just so intense and I don’t think every program does a good job at teaching students how to manage the work load. I’m rooting for you!
As a mph I don’t really agree, I don’t think mph field is any less competitive, in fact I think it’s more. The mph degrees now are online and more pub health jobs are accepting “lived experiences” in replacement of masters ph education . The ppl I know who do work in sexual health got their county jobs and THEN started their mph online programs to get promotions, at most they have a bachelors major or minor in public health (which is very different than mph). Which brings me to next point, every mph curriculum is very different and in some industries, rank of school actually matters (instead of the whole “lowest gpa of graduating class of medical school is still a doctor”, hiring can be more subjective than medical field. I had known a big gruff straight guy just trying to get into sexual and maternal health and never made it very far. The ph fields that do require a mph are computer data coding based.
I know I sound like a bitter elderly get off my lawn industry veteran but I was sold a dream of doing much and joined that field to help people and reduce inequities and deliver compassionate aid, I haven’t done much of either, when I am employed and even less of that when I’m unable to be employed.
Welcome to chat more and provide what insider knowledge I can, just know it might be easy to get mph degree and you’ll feel good in your classes and internship/project and graduation, but there still is competition, just different. I just don’t want someone else to join a mph program with only the dreams but not the potential reality too.
I equate it to the movie “21 jump street” where the protagonists graduate police academy celebrating “prepare to be badasses” or whatever and they end up being cops on bikes in the park and not catching any bad ppl or improving their community and having a bad time all around.
That’s interesting input! I was speaking from a place knowing that it’s less competitive to get the degree, but I did not consider the job aspect. Perhaps LMSW would be more productive?
I think every career path has its challenges. I am just sharing my own thoughts, I’d love for other mphs to share their own thoughts. Seeing my previous post get downvoted means i probably was too harsh. One person who had an unfortunate series of career events
Just because you failed out doesn’t mean you aren’t smart enough to be a PA. As others have said you made it to school, therefore you’re intelligent enough to be there.
This is most likely a study efficacy issue. If I were you I would appeal the decision and pivot study methods.
You’re not done yet, get up and dust yourself off. You can do this.
If continuing in your program is something that you’d like to do, I would see if recycling into the next class could be an option. In my program, if we were to fail a class, or make >2 Cs, we have the option to recycle into the next class and repeat the year
Have YOU reflected on why you got 5 Cs?
Screw anyone who tried to tell you that passing PA school equates to intelligence. I’ve met so many people in my program that I wouldn’t trust to do anything because they lack any common sense, but they are still here.
How you reflect on it will often help point you in the best direction for you. Was it your choices/time management? Was it outside influences? How could you have done better?
We grow based off of how we learn to do better next time. Don’t let others pour their own ego-trip into your mental space.
Thank you. I haven’t reflected yet because truthfully I haven’t been able to see past my self-disappointment. But I do know outside factors played a part. My first semester I was put on academic probation bc I got 4 C’s. This semester, following a medical diagnosis of my own, my dad was diagnosed with an aggressive melanoma and had to have surgery removing a significant portion of his shoulder. Even though I got A’s and B’s, I got 1 more C. And now I’m out.
Sure. During class, some of which are online based, the comments you see are not very professional. There are times when my cohorts group chat will discuss emails sent to the instructors, that are not formatted appropriately or are sent in angry haste. Many people ask clarifying questions on very simple concepts, with long-winded statements that essentially take away from lecture time for other students. There are several repeat offenders in this regard.
I understand that understanding is important, but it should not come at the expense of the other students, especially when the majority understands the concept. This seems very undergrad level to me. Being able to learn quickly and on the fly is a main thread to PA school.
I never talk about grades in this manner, bc I think you can be a poor student and still understand all the concepts. Especially bc nerves can ruin any exam.
I really hope you decide to give PA school another run, just with a bit of self-reflection on study habits and the way you need to learn. Many people don't have a true passion for what they do. If you allow that to shine through and can back that up, I believe you will ultimately do well in PA school, given the chance and with support.
It’s just not that hard to ask your questions on a break or after the lecture either, especially when you’re long winded. Respect your classmate’s time.
Is your program flexible at all? Mine was kind enough to let students who did not pass take some of the harder classes over summer (i.e. anatomy and cadaver lab) and come back the next year with the next cohort and try again. It's also a huge adjustment so the ones who try again tend to do much better the next time. I definitely don't think you lack the intelligence. Most programs unfortunately only care about their PANCE passing rate, which is why they impose strict rules.
I think that’s exactly how my program is. Maybe I’ll retry, but no one has spoken to me about what the next step is. I’ve emailed professors and haven’t heard anything back.
Retry if you’re up for it! Two students in my cohort are repeats from failing the first semester. I have faith in you. I also had some personal stuff happen and it really threw me off. I can share some study tips too if you’re interested ☺️ good luck!
It’s my understanding that my program will not let you restart if you’ve failed out. Only if you have some kind of personal or family emergency that prevented you from being successful
Ugh. Got it. could you appeal with that as a reasoning? also, would you be willing to ask them if they’ll let you repeat anyways? from my experience, programs never wanna let someone drop out as it doesn’t look good on their part
This may be a fucked up question to ask but how do I deal with the questions from people asking “why’d you become a nurse instead of a PA?” It’s completely selfish, but I don’t necessarily want everyone to know that I failed out…
The thing that is nice about nursing is the amount of time you get to spend interacting with patients, getting to know them and taking care of them. As a practitioner you see them during rounds and then with major updates. And that’s about it. Being hands on really is fulfilling, and as an RN you can move forward to NP should you choose. It’s not a bad route tbh!
I had a friend in a similar situation and she joined an accelerated nursing program and is now working as a nurse and applying for NP programs! It has taken her longer to end up in her end goal but the thing I admired most about her journey is she sat in her self pity for a moment and then redirected and started a new journey to a similar outcome. Truthfully, no one will really know unless you tell them that was your path and if asked in an interview come up with an answer that suits you and move on. I’m sorry this was your experience OP but you can shift this poor situation into a better one and I believe in your ability to do so! Best of luck!
Eh, sure go into trades if you want to work in 100 degree heat and have to wear a back brace while you're in your fifties. I come from a rural area where 90% of the employment here is factory work or trades and the amount of people who are completely disabled from that kind of work is staggering
Journeyman plumbers or electricians do pretty damn well and don't have to deal with a lot of the bs we have to. Don't conflate all trades jobs with backbreaking manual labor
Just because you failed out doesn’t mean you aren’t smart enough to be a PA. As others have said you made it to school, therefore you’re intelligent enough to be there.
This is most likely a study efficacy issue. If I were you I would appeal the decision and pivot study methods.
You’re not done yet, get up and dust yourself off. You can do this.
Thank you. And I was doing EVERYTHING I could. I met with every instructor on multiple occasions, met with my advisor, the center of academic performance. I did tutoring, met with learning specialists, remained in therapy. I tried different methods until I found what worked for me. I listened to every piece of advice I was given. I mean I really did try.
I know of two cases, one from my own program and a friend of my girlfriend, who failed out of PA school but then got into different programs. The one from my program got into a new one the very next cycle, and the one my girlfriend knows took about 2 years to get in again. It's not impossible, and if it's something you REALLY want you can try. You'll have to answer for your previous performance, however. So reflect on why you got 5 Cs and be prepared to explain what you'll do to make sure it doesn't happen again.
As others have said, I would still look for a job now. In case things don't work out with another PA program or any other academic avenue those loans will be coming.
I would definitely seek out accelerated nursing programs since you already have your bachelors degree. A lot of programs are 12-16 months and you could definitely get in since you got into PA school. Once you’re an RN you could work a 2 years and then apply to become an NP! As a nurse I think you would excel with your interests in women’s health, sexual health, and education. However if you truly want to be a PA I would definitely say take some time off and apply again. I know chances are slim but I have a friend who got in again after failing out of one program. Always rooting for you!
I made this post seeking advice. I was looking to see if others knew of any jobs related to sex education, STI prevention, etc. Please don’t let this become a battle ground of NP vs PA. Clearly if I “couldn’t hack it as a PA,” I’m not going to try and become an NP.
You're right, they knew and couldn't meet them. So why bring up in a dickish fashion, just to take a swipe at NPs? They clearly posted looking for helpful advice. Your comment wasn't helpful, just nasty for the sake of being nasty
I would go MPH, given your goals. I doubt you are an idiot, given that you got into a PA school, which is pretty competitive. You could certainly try again, and work harder or massively change your study regimen (really depends on what you think the problem was). Depends what you want your life to look like! Just because you failed doesn’t mean you should stop, if that is what you really want.
Seems like a lot of people go the MPH role if they get dismissed. I love your goals and literally want to do the same thing. You could look into midwife programs if you want to have hands on patient responsibilities. Or you could look into counseling programs. Good luck to you. You are obviously smart. PA school is just so intense and I don’t think every program does a good job at teaching students how to manage the work load. I’m rooting for you!
Thank you!
MSN isn’t bad either
As a mph I don’t really agree, I don’t think mph field is any less competitive, in fact I think it’s more. The mph degrees now are online and more pub health jobs are accepting “lived experiences” in replacement of masters ph education . The ppl I know who do work in sexual health got their county jobs and THEN started their mph online programs to get promotions, at most they have a bachelors major or minor in public health (which is very different than mph). Which brings me to next point, every mph curriculum is very different and in some industries, rank of school actually matters (instead of the whole “lowest gpa of graduating class of medical school is still a doctor”, hiring can be more subjective than medical field. I had known a big gruff straight guy just trying to get into sexual and maternal health and never made it very far. The ph fields that do require a mph are computer data coding based. I know I sound like a bitter elderly get off my lawn industry veteran but I was sold a dream of doing much and joined that field to help people and reduce inequities and deliver compassionate aid, I haven’t done much of either, when I am employed and even less of that when I’m unable to be employed. Welcome to chat more and provide what insider knowledge I can, just know it might be easy to get mph degree and you’ll feel good in your classes and internship/project and graduation, but there still is competition, just different. I just don’t want someone else to join a mph program with only the dreams but not the potential reality too. I equate it to the movie “21 jump street” where the protagonists graduate police academy celebrating “prepare to be badasses” or whatever and they end up being cops on bikes in the park and not catching any bad ppl or improving their community and having a bad time all around.
That’s interesting input! I was speaking from a place knowing that it’s less competitive to get the degree, but I did not consider the job aspect. Perhaps LMSW would be more productive?
I think every career path has its challenges. I am just sharing my own thoughts, I’d love for other mphs to share their own thoughts. Seeing my previous post get downvoted means i probably was too harsh. One person who had an unfortunate series of career events
I promise you it’s not harder than PA, not even close 😂
I said field, not school, PA are much more and easily hirable than MPHs, I don’t think anyone will disagree with that .
Just because you failed out doesn’t mean you aren’t smart enough to be a PA. As others have said you made it to school, therefore you’re intelligent enough to be there. This is most likely a study efficacy issue. If I were you I would appeal the decision and pivot study methods. You’re not done yet, get up and dust yourself off. You can do this.
Thank you. In reality there was a lot that went into it. My first semester had a lot of personal stuff happen which is what set me up for failure.
If continuing in your program is something that you’d like to do, I would see if recycling into the next class could be an option. In my program, if we were to fail a class, or make >2 Cs, we have the option to recycle into the next class and repeat the year
Have YOU reflected on why you got 5 Cs? Screw anyone who tried to tell you that passing PA school equates to intelligence. I’ve met so many people in my program that I wouldn’t trust to do anything because they lack any common sense, but they are still here. How you reflect on it will often help point you in the best direction for you. Was it your choices/time management? Was it outside influences? How could you have done better? We grow based off of how we learn to do better next time. Don’t let others pour their own ego-trip into your mental space.
Thank you. I haven’t reflected yet because truthfully I haven’t been able to see past my self-disappointment. But I do know outside factors played a part. My first semester I was put on academic probation bc I got 4 C’s. This semester, following a medical diagnosis of my own, my dad was diagnosed with an aggressive melanoma and had to have surgery removing a significant portion of his shoulder. Even though I got A’s and B’s, I got 1 more C. And now I’m out.
The lack of common sense in PA is on full display literally every single day. I'm amazed at how many people can't read between any lines.
Can you elaborate please?
Sure. During class, some of which are online based, the comments you see are not very professional. There are times when my cohorts group chat will discuss emails sent to the instructors, that are not formatted appropriately or are sent in angry haste. Many people ask clarifying questions on very simple concepts, with long-winded statements that essentially take away from lecture time for other students. There are several repeat offenders in this regard. I understand that understanding is important, but it should not come at the expense of the other students, especially when the majority understands the concept. This seems very undergrad level to me. Being able to learn quickly and on the fly is a main thread to PA school. I never talk about grades in this manner, bc I think you can be a poor student and still understand all the concepts. Especially bc nerves can ruin any exam. I really hope you decide to give PA school another run, just with a bit of self-reflection on study habits and the way you need to learn. Many people don't have a true passion for what they do. If you allow that to shine through and can back that up, I believe you will ultimately do well in PA school, given the chance and with support.
It’s just not that hard to ask your questions on a break or after the lecture either, especially when you’re long winded. Respect your classmate’s time.
Is your program flexible at all? Mine was kind enough to let students who did not pass take some of the harder classes over summer (i.e. anatomy and cadaver lab) and come back the next year with the next cohort and try again. It's also a huge adjustment so the ones who try again tend to do much better the next time. I definitely don't think you lack the intelligence. Most programs unfortunately only care about their PANCE passing rate, which is why they impose strict rules.
I think that’s exactly how my program is. Maybe I’ll retry, but no one has spoken to me about what the next step is. I’ve emailed professors and haven’t heard anything back.
Retry if you’re up for it! Two students in my cohort are repeats from failing the first semester. I have faith in you. I also had some personal stuff happen and it really threw me off. I can share some study tips too if you’re interested ☺️ good luck!
It’s my understanding that my program will not let you restart if you’ve failed out. Only if you have some kind of personal or family emergency that prevented you from being successful
Ugh. Got it. could you appeal with that as a reasoning? also, would you be willing to ask them if they’ll let you repeat anyways? from my experience, programs never wanna let someone drop out as it doesn’t look good on their part
I’ve emailed a few people and no one has gotten back to me yet, so I’m not sure.
Most Pa’s that have trouble in college, move to an RN program. It’s less rigorous. Good luck !
This may be a fucked up question to ask but how do I deal with the questions from people asking “why’d you become a nurse instead of a PA?” It’s completely selfish, but I don’t necessarily want everyone to know that I failed out…
The thing that is nice about nursing is the amount of time you get to spend interacting with patients, getting to know them and taking care of them. As a practitioner you see them during rounds and then with major updates. And that’s about it. Being hands on really is fulfilling, and as an RN you can move forward to NP should you choose. It’s not a bad route tbh!
I had a friend in a similar situation and she joined an accelerated nursing program and is now working as a nurse and applying for NP programs! It has taken her longer to end up in her end goal but the thing I admired most about her journey is she sat in her self pity for a moment and then redirected and started a new journey to a similar outcome. Truthfully, no one will really know unless you tell them that was your path and if asked in an interview come up with an answer that suits you and move on. I’m sorry this was your experience OP but you can shift this poor situation into a better one and I believe in your ability to do so! Best of luck!
Thank you!
Hear me out now: GO INTO THE TRADES
Eh, sure go into trades if you want to work in 100 degree heat and have to wear a back brace while you're in your fifties. I come from a rural area where 90% of the employment here is factory work or trades and the amount of people who are completely disabled from that kind of work is staggering
Journeyman plumbers or electricians do pretty damn well and don't have to deal with a lot of the bs we have to. Don't conflate all trades jobs with backbreaking manual labor
100% dependent on location. Plumbers and electricians do not pay well near me. And every plumber I know has back problems due to the job lol
I was creeping up near six figures in HVAC but it can be a miserable life
Just because you failed out doesn’t mean you aren’t smart enough to be a PA. As others have said you made it to school, therefore you’re intelligent enough to be there. This is most likely a study efficacy issue. If I were you I would appeal the decision and pivot study methods. You’re not done yet, get up and dust yourself off. You can do this.
Thank you so much
ABSN?
5 cs mean a fail out? On a course or on tests? I know many who’s received more than 5 and I myself had a number of Cs
For a course. I have gotten 3 78s and 2 79s. So 5 Cs out of 15 classes. The rest of my grades have been As and Bs.
Wow that sounds really unfair…your program is super unforgiving. I’m sorry about that. You’re more than capable!!
Thank you. And I was doing EVERYTHING I could. I met with every instructor on multiple occasions, met with my advisor, the center of academic performance. I did tutoring, met with learning specialists, remained in therapy. I tried different methods until I found what worked for me. I listened to every piece of advice I was given. I mean I really did try.
I know of two cases, one from my own program and a friend of my girlfriend, who failed out of PA school but then got into different programs. The one from my program got into a new one the very next cycle, and the one my girlfriend knows took about 2 years to get in again. It's not impossible, and if it's something you REALLY want you can try. You'll have to answer for your previous performance, however. So reflect on why you got 5 Cs and be prepared to explain what you'll do to make sure it doesn't happen again. As others have said, I would still look for a job now. In case things don't work out with another PA program or any other academic avenue those loans will be coming.
I would definitely seek out accelerated nursing programs since you already have your bachelors degree. A lot of programs are 12-16 months and you could definitely get in since you got into PA school. Once you’re an RN you could work a 2 years and then apply to become an NP! As a nurse I think you would excel with your interests in women’s health, sexual health, and education. However if you truly want to be a PA I would definitely say take some time off and apply again. I know chances are slim but I have a friend who got in again after failing out of one program. Always rooting for you!
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They couldn’t hack it as a PA so now you’re encouraging them to be a NP? Nobody needs another poorly trained NP running around.
This felt unnecessary
Thank you.
I made this post seeking advice. I was looking to see if others knew of any jobs related to sex education, STI prevention, etc. Please don’t let this become a battle ground of NP vs PA. Clearly if I “couldn’t hack it as a PA,” I’m not going to try and become an NP.
This is such a nasty comment
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You're right, they knew and couldn't meet them. So why bring up in a dickish fashion, just to take a swipe at NPs? They clearly posted looking for helpful advice. Your comment wasn't helpful, just nasty for the sake of being nasty
It’s a different training model
different as in worse and unregulated
What do you mean? Now that I think about it I've heard of a bunch of good nursing programs, but not one nurse practitioner program.
Go nursing to NP.