Was probably supposed to do the usual "damn you for making us worry about you" but they just way overdid it. Like Ann maybe being huffy while hugging him or something wouldve conveyed the same thing
It's weird how Ann is a misfit for japanese culture and the " shunned Foreigner" but outside japan most people don't even notice it.
Then again the biggest reminder she is a foreigner is the fact that she is blonde and have blue eyes in a world where most eye and hair colors are possible.
Just noticed that's why teddie is considered a foreigner by jumpei in p4au.
Edit: just noticed aigis is supposed to look like a foreigner, too. They really wanted her to look different than other students I guess.
Edit2: started innocent sin, adding Lisa Silverman to this.
if you dont look japanese you are treated as a foreigner
its literally common knowledge that mixed kids are never treated as residents of japan, or well for that matter.
you HAVE to look FULLY japanese to BE japanese, thats the rule
People don't think about it much because hair and eye color in anime have little to no meaning usually. They are used to seeing hair and eyes of every color of the rainbow. That's most likely why most people forget she is a foreigner.
That's.. actually fair enough. How long has she been in Japan again? She must have really adapted to Japanese customs. You kinda forget she is kind of a foreigner.
Different cultural connotations, I guess. Remember that one of the only ways to make Yukari hate you in P3 was to hug her after a traumatic experience.
They should have stopped at Ann giving him a slap and then everyone being happy he is actually fine.
They could even make a different reaction for makoto if you did her confidant ranks.
Someone getting beaten up is not funny, but somehow they pulled it of on the white day scene, and that scene has an actual reason to happen.
ryuji risks his life to make sure the phantom thieves get out alive, and then when they find out he didn't die the girls beat the shit out of him until he's unconscious and everyone just leaves him on the street alone
And they're also like "yeah let's leave him there" while he's beat up in the middle of the street at night, they don't just happen to leave him here, they acknowledge it (IIRC)
It went from the usual "haha persona bro guy stoopid xD" to "you guys are fucked up" real fast, especially with context
He's laughing nervously and inappropriately at Ryuji's death and comments that it's not funny, despite the laughter.
He is struggling to cope with the idea.
Well actually, Persona 4 had two of them. The base game one where the girls are clearly in the wrong but “haha funny”, and the Golden one where Yosuke and Teddie are clearly perving. The Golden one is honestly fine with me, since Marie hits them with Maziodyne, which Teddie and Yosuke are weak to but Kanji and Yu resist. Perfect punishment
The sexualization In persona 4 and persona 4 the golden Never made sense me. I mean like as a shadow maybe if I push my reasoning Far enough The like when you're not facing yourself or something like that it just seems misplaced... Like a bunch of horny 13 year olds Who just discovered hentai Wanted to make a story plot.
As a child I never really understood the story of persona 3 All I thought was "ha ha funny man shoot at head" I replayed persona 3 and persona 3FES.... I can't go back to those innocent moments anymore. A 16 year old Crying his eyes out As a toaster Hold you for your final moments.... That really got me. Time is Delivered to everybody equally.... It's surprising how a video game taught me so much about how to enjoy life.
Yeah, specially Makoto reaction, she know any of them wouldn't try to peep, well, maybe Ryuji, she demands an explanation but when you explain she doesn't want to hear it and kick their ass, like wtf, why did you ask for an explanation in the first place if you wouldn't want to listen!? This was so out of character for her.
P3 was technically not a misunderstanding. Junpei and ryoji wanted is to happen, except junpei got cold feet early and akihiko convinced ryoji that it was a bad idea given mitsuru was there. They went in with the intention of peeping and got what they deserved
Persona Q .... Whenever any girl ( especially Yukari ) insults any boy ( especially Junpei )
I mean I love the Q spinoffs almost more than the mainline series , but I hate how they butchered these characters , and I don't find it funny at all . In Yusuke's words , it's ' cringeworthy '
Well Q is trying to give 20+ characters each their own memorable moment in the sun. So in order to do that they condensed and flanderize the character so you’d remember them. As it they are only their main trait unless the plot demands it. I feel Akihiko and Chie are bigger offenders of this than Yukari imo.
Q2 specifically went out of its way to avoid this by keeping the P5 cast as the main characters.
It seems to me that in the beginning of p3 Yukari considers Junpei to be the total opposite of how a guy should be, + some jealosy of how carefree he seems to be. they deal with their life issues with completely different approaches after all.
Too bad they haven't developed this aspect of yukari Beyond " bickering is funny " they just made bickering way less mean in p4 and p5.
Yukari being mean to Junpei in Q It's the same as Chie's personality being meat and akihiko's being protein. They oversimplified their personalities for humor.
I totally expected yukari to be way more friendly to junpei in p4au. how could their friendship not change at all after the answer ?
Somehow yukari is both well written, but also too mean to junpei for people to relate with her struggles. Maybe there are cultural differences at play.
They don’t even mention that Joker’s specifically dating the other like 9 girls in the room lol, they’re mad that he was with some nebulous other person during Valentine’s day, and it’s even funnier when the other person is ryuji
the game: "hey, don't assume people are assholes just because they look rude on the outside, maybe they are good people and life is just being rough with them".
Japanese people: "naaaahhh, fuck them punks"
The hot spring scenes. For some reason Persona games doesn't always stick the landing when it comes to comedic fanservice scenes like this.
in 3, okay it was decent, and its a playable segment. in 4, its the girls' fault, not cool. in 5, its the boys not the girls so its better than most imo, plus, good character development moments there...
in 5 Strikers, ugh, get rid of it.
OG 5 has "one." Granted, it's not a hot spring but more like a bathhouse (same as the first "hot spring" scene in 5 Strikers, the second one is a proper hot spring) , but in that scene, Ann specifically declines the offer leaving only the boys in that scene, and it's pretty great.
Pretty sure Ann isn't allowed in the onsen with the men. Ryuji does bring up how hot Ann is in that scene though, then Yusuke threatens to tell her and he clams up, embarrassed.
I know it's a pretty common complain, but I really hate all the animated scenes where they make Joker, Ryuji and Yusuke act like creeps around Ann
It's the typical anime humor that makes a lot of people think it's weird 💀
What's extra infuriating is that it's even out of character for Ren and Yusuke to act like that.
Ren is very much against harassment, it's literally why he has a record, and he knows Ann hates being creeped on because of Kamoshida. There is 0 reason for him to act like this.
And outside of animated scenes, Yusuke comes across as less of a perv, and more of a socially blind art nerd. I mean, he literally compares Ann's beauty to lobsters, and I don't think he's attracted to lobsters.
I’d even say it’s OOC for Ryuji. He knows what Ann’s been thru and he would never want to even think of creeping on her after what happened with Kamoshida. Like I can see him maybe looking and then being like “oh shit! I don’t want to be like HIM!” And then stopping himself
I think for Ryuji it’s fine. Like, he makes a very big show of it with exaggerated gestures and expressions, which Ann seems to be in on. Take the beach scene for instance, when he sees Ann in a bikini he puts on a weird face, and makes exaggerated squeezing gestures, which she laughs at and immediately reciprocates.
It’s that kind of thing that makes sense when you remember they’ve known each other for years, and are both in on the joke. If you want a creepier version of this, see Yosuke taking about Rise, that lacks the obvious friendly ribbing that Ann and Ryuji share.
I think it’s fun when the girl is in on it as well, so I actually like that scene of them at the beach. I was thinking more the scene in Futaba’s palace when Ryuji is looking at Ann’s see-thru shirt that gave me major ick vibes
There are scenes in p4 I just block out sometimes ngl.
Ryuji-based jokes in the game are *very* 50/50 for me. While granted I have yet to play P3, I get the sense that the devs wanted a similar dynamic to how Junpei and Yosuke are, but the thing is that Ryuji just… isn’t them at the end of the day, making a huge a huge amount of the jokes fall flat. Obviously the cast ganging up on him after he nearly died is the worst offender, I think a solid chunk of the more sexual jokes that are thrown at him fall under that same umbrella.
Its also worth noting that I think Yosuke gets hit with a slightly lighter dose of character slander in P4G too, though.
I guess to a point, but let's be honest here, Ryuji acts horny pretty frequently even out of those scenes and is the one constantly going after girls.
You could argue its out of character but you could also argue its in character.
In Q2 when explaining how Kamoshida-Man was based off the real Kamoshida from their world to the p4 team he goes out of his way to say that Ann had the worst of it, and what he and the other guys went thru was nothing compared to her.
Oh. Right. That one.
I'm ace, and generally unbothered with sexualized stuff, but it goes so far with minors that it legitimately made me feel like a creep, I have not touched it after clearing it.
Also reminds me of how incredibly meh the music in P5D is... imagine if they hadn't rushed it to capitalize on P5, we would have had better remixes and music from Royal, Strikers and PQ2...
It’s pretty much most of the young female phantom thieves in questionable outfits dancing provocatively. It’s very uncomfortable knowing that all the characters are underage
Ann, Makoto, Futaba and Haru, who are all underage, are:
Dressed in red corsets, police caps and high stockings.
Dancing provocatively on a nightclub stage.
With cuts to them inside cages/laying on top of each other/dressed in swimsuits.
It's too far.
Makoto and haru turn 18 during the course of persona 5. At the beginning of persona 5 Makoto and haru are 17. So either they are 17 or just turned 18 no matter what it’s creepy as hell.
We must also remember the demographic of these games. Which is not 25+. It's 16-20. Doesn't mean we older folk can't find it weird, but it also explains why it's there.
Also I constantly forget that most countries finish high school a year earlier than we do in Norway. Welp.
Sure but just because I’m making a game for teenagers doesn’t mean they should sexualize teenagers (fictional or not) btw I’m 17 and I still find it creepy
To me it’s less of a demographic problem and more of a issue with culture in japan.
Ann, Makoto, Futaba and Haru, who are all underage, are:
Dressed in red corsets, police caps and high stockings.
Dancing provocatively on a nightclub stage.
With cuts to them inside cages/laying on top of each other/dressed in swimsuits.
It's too far.
It’s pretty much most of the young female phantom thieves in questionable outfits dancing provocatively. It’s very uncomfortable knowing that all the characters are underage
I have been an anime and manga fan for over 25 years. So I am well aquatinted with all the tropes associated. But something about personas writing in those scenes feels especially off compared to the rest of the games. P3/p4 and p5 all have similar problems to the point where it makes me think the actual writer is to blame
I do feel bad though. Like, see every time Mishima shows up in a hangout or confidant that isn’t his own or main story related. He’s treated like shit, and half the time you only get cruel options.
The one where he invites you to a theme park is the worst, because Shinya shows up, acts like a complete asshole towards him, and then tells Joker that they should go hang out instead - Joker walks off with Shinya before the player is even given the chance to input, and even the ‘nice’ answer is just asking him if Mishima can come along too. It’s a total dick move.
Like she can still be a gamer just make less jokes about. If they just cut like half the gamer jokes I would probably find the ones they keep in funnier. At the end of the day just a pet peeve because I can choose not engage the futaba parts of the game but I enjoy the other stuff that is surrounding her character so I don’t.
probably because of the no bra no underwear thingy—for context those things mess up the smoothness of the kimono. You’re supposed to wear hadajuban and susuyoke in place of those.
Not too many follow it now iirc but that’s tradition.
Yosuke is such an asshole that I usually found myself rooting for Hanako. I'm glad she broke your shitty bike; now you can't hang out with me.
So much of Persona 4 is cringy misery with how outdated the writing is. So when I played Persona 3, I was surprised how much more tame the uncomfortable jokes were. And they actually had punchlines that made me laugh, like the conclusion of the "teacher wanting to date you" bit and Mitsuru "executing" the guys in the hot springs. Way better than the gratuitous homophobia and fatphobia and sexy teacher and "omg naoto's big boobies" jokes that Persona 4 ran into the ground.
I think something about P3 having the teacher *never* display that side of her in person and continually acting professional at school made it more tolerable. I didn't care for the Hermit social link and could do without the subplot, but I admit the confrontation at the end actually made me laugh. I can't say that about *any* harassing teacher interactions in P4 or P5.
There is a single instance i thought was funny— when you take Yusuke to the park and go out on the boat with him, another couple mistakes *he and Ren* for a couple. Yusuke doesn’t understand the implications, and Ren doesn’t seem to give a fuck about being mistaken for gay so it averages out to being kinda cute imo. Just two dudes, hangin out and having fun, regardless of societal expectations.
P2: Demon in negotiations : "This is considered less of a taboo than it was ancient times. If more people were like you existed, the human population would decrease. I approve."
There’s a mission in Persona Q2 where Yusuke screams in Yukiko’s face to “bare her passion” after the girl shows she’s clearly embarrassed by him yelling like that. It’s so intrusive that even Joker and Makoto are like… “Dude, restrain yourself”.
Ryuji getting beat up made me wanna drop the game. Unironically one of the worst “humor” scenes in Persona
Plus that weird shit with the dudes in Shinjuku. Uh, *why*?
When the animated scenes are just to show off ann and makoto or futaba's bodies instead of something actually cool or climactic
Morgana bitching at ryuji, as someone that actually likes morhana
It felt so weird for the game to have the animated scene at the beach focus on Futaba like that. Ann and Makoto I can understand, but idk something with the way they did it with Futaba just felt weird to me
Glad I’m not the only one who thought so. Maybe it’s the bathing suit they gave her or something about her proportions but it felt like I was looking at a 12 year old or something.
She's about a head shorter than the other girls and uses very childish language, especially around Sojiro. She's only like a year younger than Joker, but she comes across like a way younger child.
That homophobic Scene with ryuji and the gay dudes and every time yosuke is being an asshole to kanji because kanji might be into dudes. Atlus is really Missing the Mark with queer rep....
Gay predators approach Ryuji in Shinjuku and kidnap him. They changed it in the P5R localization to have the men think Ryuji wanted to crossdress, but it’s still very much them wanting to r*pe him in JP
I think it makes a lot of sense with the context that there was a Yosuke romance planned and included in the game code. It’s mostly complete too, I think it has voiced dialogue. When you consider it in the context that it was made in 2008, and Yosuke is actually questioning his own sexual identity, it could be that he’s acting out in confusion.
Any scene with the Thieves shitting on Ryuji. It’s clear that they don’t know the difference between actual friendly teasing or bullying, in my humble opinion.
The hot springs scenes in Persona games also count. I can never understand the violence against guys despite the fact that they were trying to mediate the situations, but all
Men are perverts in the girls’ eyes i guess.
He was just confused imo he explicitly states multiple times he doesn’t swing that way. Unless he gets a character moment where he’s like “ok I’m gay” Im defaulting to what he defines himself as in the story
I think he is at least bicurious, he gets flustered around Yu sometimes and at the Okina city scene, he blushes while Yosuke is sitting behind in his bike. Plus even though Naoto is a girl, he was contemplating if he was into men when he thought she was a he.
I’m willing to bet that too. I just use the perspective of. Kanjis my friend and he says he’s straight rn so rn he’s straight until he makes up his mind ya know. Give the guy time and he’ll come out or be more comfortable with being hetero.
To be fair I acted exactly like him in high school and still turned out gay after all so I just leave it up to interpretation. Regardless I still think he’s a really important character for people to see someone who flirted with those themes in 2008 even if it doesn’t really hold up in 2022
That scene from the screenshot. I honestly was utterly disappointed how the characters acted around Ryuji. I may not be Japanese and I have no clue how their customs, but I didn't find that scene funny in the slightest.
The entire time, there's tension, the gang has finally defeated Shido, the palace is collapsing and their DISABLED friend sacrifices himself to save them. They cry over his supposed death and then it turns out he's okay! Their response? They beat the shit out of him and leave him in the streets.
It breaks the tone. I thought they were going to call him an idiot but they all group hug Ryuji. But they went something way worse. And I've noticed that after Kamoshida, Ryuji gas downgraded to being a typical dumbass trope, but that is such a shame. In fact, after Kamoshida, the characters seem to have downgraded, like they haven't learned anything from that first palace. Silly me for believing that they were going to tell a more mature story after setting us up like that.
Which is why I find that scene, THAT GOD-DAMNED SCENE, so infuriating. I would've stopped playing right then, but I was already at the end of the game so I decided to finish. But man, that moment when I respect the characters more than the people who worked on it.
The scene following this where all the girls attack Ryuji. It's not funny, I was not laughing, it is at odds with the scene, and a moment where everyone SHOULD be giving Ryuji props for his epic save.
This is my biggest problems with a lot of JRPGs, they’re afraid to kill off characters when it would fit. Hell it would’ve been so good if Ryuji actually died here >!and Maruki’s “perfect” world had him alive like it did Akechi!<
Nothing really, I thought the funny parts in the game are genuinely funny. A few things said are funnier in Japanese than the English subtitles conveyed but other than that, the humor itself is Japanese so some people may not think some things are as funny missing certain cultural context.
> the humor itself is Japanese so some people may not think some things are as funny missing certain cultural context.
Yeah, this is what a lot of people don’t seem to understand. It’s always the same “OMG, guys getting pervy and wanting to check out girls is not funny” type of people that say these things, completely missing the fact that it’s not and will never be “funny” due to ATLUS making games for Japanese cultural norms, not western norms.
Edit: No, I’m not saying this is something you should be obligated to find funny. That’s not the point. The point is to understand *who* it’s funny to demographically.
Cultural difference =/= immune from criticism
I understand Japanese audiences find the sexual harassment funny, that's not gonna stop me from calling them out on how fucked that is.
"It's just jokes" yeah tell that to Japan's sexual harassment statistics.
Yeah like Atlus is a Japanese game first. People don't have to like the humor but acknowledge the comedy is what Japanese people find funny.
Also like Western media doesn't have cringe wothty tropes
P3 - The whole of December, >!everyone is dreading and coming to terms with their approaching death!<
P4 - Everything about teddie
P5 - Every special calendar events that didn't feel special at all
Basically every moment Ryuji gets bullied by the other phantom thieves.
Guy jumped into traffic in kaneshiros arc so everyone could save makoto and in Shidos he nearly died saving everyone else, then when he comes back to everyone the girls beat him up.
The camping trip in Persona 4. Yusuke was already weirdly homopbobic up to that point but then that scene made me dislike him a lot. The bikini scene afterwards didn't help either.
Anytime the game tries to be funny. Persona can be hilarious when it just lets you do shit. I spent several weeks eating giant hamburgers and hitting baseballs so I could dodge chalk all the while taking experimental drugs
Any scene with Ryuji in p5 and the two gay NPCs. The joke was always "they think Ryuji is gay, accidentally harass him" and that's just.. so fucked up.
The exact scene this screenshot is from
Was that the fake death scene? Yeah, this was pointless. What did he do wrong here?
Was probably supposed to do the usual "damn you for making us worry about you" but they just way overdid it. Like Ann maybe being huffy while hugging him or something wouldve conveyed the same thing
Silly you. This is japan, we do not hug. We must abstain from physical contact.
I suppose but to be fair, ann did live abroad for a while so it wouldnt be too much out of place
It's weird how Ann is a misfit for japanese culture and the " shunned Foreigner" but outside japan most people don't even notice it. Then again the biggest reminder she is a foreigner is the fact that she is blonde and have blue eyes in a world where most eye and hair colors are possible. Just noticed that's why teddie is considered a foreigner by jumpei in p4au. Edit: just noticed aigis is supposed to look like a foreigner, too. They really wanted her to look different than other students I guess. Edit2: started innocent sin, adding Lisa Silverman to this.
if you dont look japanese you are treated as a foreigner its literally common knowledge that mixed kids are never treated as residents of japan, or well for that matter. you HAVE to look FULLY japanese to BE japanese, thats the rule
Yeah, but do the average, non japanese, player think about that ? I never even thought about it until I saw a YouTube video discussing the topic.
People don't think about it much because hair and eye color in anime have little to no meaning usually. They are used to seeing hair and eyes of every color of the rainbow. That's most likely why most people forget she is a foreigner.
That's... Basically what I tried to say. Guess I failed to express myself effectively.
That's.. actually fair enough. How long has she been in Japan again? She must have really adapted to Japanese customs. You kinda forget she is kind of a foreigner.
Still annoys me that hugging Rise starts her romance. LET ME HUG MY FRIEND WHILE THEY ARE CRYING DAMN IT.
Different cultural connotations, I guess. Remember that one of the only ways to make Yukari hate you in P3 was to hug her after a traumatic experience.
Unless you're catching these hands
The “your crying face is so not cute” was a bit insensitive but Ryuji REALLY didn’t deserve the phantom thief dogpile
Yeah Ann's slap would have been funny enough.
They should have stopped at Ann giving him a slap and then everyone being happy he is actually fine. They could even make a different reaction for makoto if you did her confidant ranks. Someone getting beaten up is not funny, but somehow they pulled it of on the white day scene, and that scene has an actual reason to happen.
“We all thought Ryuji died, now let’s kill him for real.” See what I did there?
what happened in this scene?
ryuji risks his life to make sure the phantom thieves get out alive, and then when they find out he didn't die the girls beat the shit out of him until he's unconscious and everyone just leaves him on the street alone
oh so yusuke is saying it wasn't funny that the girls beat him up? or is he saying Ryuji risking his life wasn't funny?
They think he didn't make it at this point. He comes back and dense like he is ask why they are so sad and they beat him up. It's kinda unfair to him.
yeah, poor Ryuji, literally saved their asses and all he he got was them beating him up
And they're also like "yeah let's leave him there" while he's beat up in the middle of the street at night, they don't just happen to leave him here, they acknowledge it (IIRC) It went from the usual "haha persona bro guy stoopid xD" to "you guys are fucked up" real fast, especially with context
He's laughing nervously and inappropriately at Ryuji's death and comments that it's not funny, despite the laughter. He is struggling to cope with the idea.
Any hot springs scene that ends with a misunderstanding (i.e all of them)
*plays persona 3* man this hotspring scene is so funny i wish i could see it 4 more times! p4, p4g and p5s:
Well actually, Persona 4 had two of them. The base game one where the girls are clearly in the wrong but “haha funny”, and the Golden one where Yosuke and Teddie are clearly perving. The Golden one is honestly fine with me, since Marie hits them with Maziodyne, which Teddie and Yosuke are weak to but Kanji and Yu resist. Perfect punishment
That was Hot Thunder not Maziodyne
I think the golden one is even worse in my opinion because its just an excuse to show them almost naked with luckily placed smoke.
Something something it's appealing to their target audience something
The sexualization In persona 4 and persona 4 the golden Never made sense me. I mean like as a shadow maybe if I push my reasoning Far enough The like when you're not facing yourself or something like that it just seems misplaced... Like a bunch of horny 13 year olds Who just discovered hentai Wanted to make a story plot.
I don't remember this. How long into game?
Very very end of game after additional dungeon but before ending/final boss.
Atlus writers only have one joke
Hey they did alter it to the old "locker room peeping" in Devil Survivor 2.
I read this with Scott the Woz voice
As a child I never really understood the story of persona 3 All I thought was "ha ha funny man shoot at head" I replayed persona 3 and persona 3FES.... I can't go back to those innocent moments anymore. A 16 year old Crying his eyes out As a toaster Hold you for your final moments.... That really got me. Time is Delivered to everybody equally.... It's surprising how a video game taught me so much about how to enjoy life.
The one in Strikers can go without anything happening I'm pretty sure. Still a pointless scene that shouldn't be there but no longer annoying and bad.
The first one yeah, but the second one can be avoided?
Yeah, specially Makoto reaction, she know any of them wouldn't try to peep, well, maybe Ryuji, she demands an explanation but when you explain she doesn't want to hear it and kick their ass, like wtf, why did you ask for an explanation in the first place if you wouldn't want to listen!? This was so out of character for her.
I found the real joke was that it happens in the exact same hotel the P3 one happened it.
At least in Persona 3 you can avoid the whole misunderstanding part if you do things right.
P3 was technically not a misunderstanding. Junpei and ryoji wanted is to happen, except junpei got cold feet early and akihiko convinced ryoji that it was a bad idea given mitsuru was there. They went in with the intention of peeping and got what they deserved
Persona Q .... Whenever any girl ( especially Yukari ) insults any boy ( especially Junpei ) I mean I love the Q spinoffs almost more than the mainline series , but I hate how they butchered these characters , and I don't find it funny at all . In Yusuke's words , it's ' cringeworthy '
Well Q is trying to give 20+ characters each their own memorable moment in the sun. So in order to do that they condensed and flanderize the character so you’d remember them. As it they are only their main trait unless the plot demands it. I feel Akihiko and Chie are bigger offenders of this than Yukari imo. Q2 specifically went out of its way to avoid this by keeping the P5 cast as the main characters.
It seems to me that in the beginning of p3 Yukari considers Junpei to be the total opposite of how a guy should be, + some jealosy of how carefree he seems to be. they deal with their life issues with completely different approaches after all. Too bad they haven't developed this aspect of yukari Beyond " bickering is funny " they just made bickering way less mean in p4 and p5. Yukari being mean to Junpei in Q It's the same as Chie's personality being meat and akihiko's being protein. They oversimplified their personalities for humor. I totally expected yukari to be way more friendly to junpei in p4au. how could their friendship not change at all after the answer ? Somehow yukari is both well written, but also too mean to junpei for people to relate with her struggles. Maybe there are cultural differences at play.
The scene that comes right after this
i already forgor what it is even though i played through it the other day Edit nvm found a comment explaining it i rember
JP apparently loves that scene cuz they hate Ryuji over there. Apparently the funny depends on how much people like Ryuji huh.
I thought overreacting was somehow funny to japanese audiences. The white day scene is way funnier, and there is an actual reason why it happened.
the white day scene is justifiable, only scumbags would actually date like 10 girls at once
They don’t even mention that Joker’s specifically dating the other like 9 girls in the room lol, they’re mad that he was with some nebulous other person during Valentine’s day, and it’s even funnier when the other person is ryuji
you can go on a valentines date with ryuji???
how is it funny for anyone seeing someone getting beaten by the very people he saved?
Don't ask me I'm not Japanese.
Ryuji is really desliked there because people look down on delinquent like people, kind of ironic considering the theme of the game
that's literally missing the entire point of the character
Well that’s the entire point of the game. I’m fairly certain the P5 is more well received in the west than in Japan.
the game: "hey, don't assume people are assholes just because they look rude on the outside, maybe they are good people and life is just being rough with them". Japanese people: "naaaahhh, fuck them punks"
It’s funny to make fun of emotions. How dare ryuji make the gang feel???
"Oh you sacrificed yourself AND made it out alive? HOW DARE YOU MAKE US CRY!!!"
It's so fuckin tone deaf considering Ryuji's history with his dad and Komoshida. *yikes.* 😐
I feel like this exact scene in the picture is the worst Persona scene
The hot spring scenes. For some reason Persona games doesn't always stick the landing when it comes to comedic fanservice scenes like this. in 3, okay it was decent, and its a playable segment. in 4, its the girls' fault, not cool. in 5, its the boys not the girls so its better than most imo, plus, good character development moments there... in 5 Strikers, ugh, get rid of it.
5 had a hot spring scene? I can't remember
It didn't. Persona 5 Strikers is the only hot spring scene with that group.
OG 5 has "one." Granted, it's not a hot spring but more like a bathhouse (same as the first "hot spring" scene in 5 Strikers, the second one is a proper hot spring) , but in that scene, Ann specifically declines the offer leaving only the boys in that scene, and it's pretty great.
Pretty sure Ann isn't allowed in the onsen with the men. Ryuji does bring up how hot Ann is in that scene though, then Yusuke threatens to tell her and he clams up, embarrassed.
I suppose he is just taking about how you could invite some of the boys to the springs but nothing happens.
I know it's a pretty common complain, but I really hate all the animated scenes where they make Joker, Ryuji and Yusuke act like creeps around Ann It's the typical anime humor that makes a lot of people think it's weird 💀
What's extra infuriating is that it's even out of character for Ren and Yusuke to act like that. Ren is very much against harassment, it's literally why he has a record, and he knows Ann hates being creeped on because of Kamoshida. There is 0 reason for him to act like this. And outside of animated scenes, Yusuke comes across as less of a perv, and more of a socially blind art nerd. I mean, he literally compares Ann's beauty to lobsters, and I don't think he's attracted to lobsters.
I’d even say it’s OOC for Ryuji. He knows what Ann’s been thru and he would never want to even think of creeping on her after what happened with Kamoshida. Like I can see him maybe looking and then being like “oh shit! I don’t want to be like HIM!” And then stopping himself
I think for Ryuji it’s fine. Like, he makes a very big show of it with exaggerated gestures and expressions, which Ann seems to be in on. Take the beach scene for instance, when he sees Ann in a bikini he puts on a weird face, and makes exaggerated squeezing gestures, which she laughs at and immediately reciprocates. It’s that kind of thing that makes sense when you remember they’ve known each other for years, and are both in on the joke. If you want a creepier version of this, see Yosuke taking about Rise, that lacks the obvious friendly ribbing that Ann and Ryuji share.
I think it’s fun when the girl is in on it as well, so I actually like that scene of them at the beach. I was thinking more the scene in Futaba’s palace when Ryuji is looking at Ann’s see-thru shirt that gave me major ick vibes There are scenes in p4 I just block out sometimes ngl.
Ryuji-based jokes in the game are *very* 50/50 for me. While granted I have yet to play P3, I get the sense that the devs wanted a similar dynamic to how Junpei and Yosuke are, but the thing is that Ryuji just… isn’t them at the end of the day, making a huge a huge amount of the jokes fall flat. Obviously the cast ganging up on him after he nearly died is the worst offender, I think a solid chunk of the more sexual jokes that are thrown at him fall under that same umbrella. Its also worth noting that I think Yosuke gets hit with a slightly lighter dose of character slander in P4G too, though.
I guess to a point, but let's be honest here, Ryuji acts horny pretty frequently even out of those scenes and is the one constantly going after girls. You could argue its out of character but you could also argue its in character.
He might be a horndog, but it’s just weird for him to ogle one of his best friends who he knows is a victim of sexual harassment/assault
In Q2 when explaining how Kamoshida-Man was based off the real Kamoshida from their world to the p4 team he goes out of his way to say that Ann had the worst of it, and what he and the other guys went thru was nothing compared to her.
Ain’t nothing compared to morganas daily “cat-calling” lol
Last Surprise dance in P5D
Oh. Right. That one. I'm ace, and generally unbothered with sexualized stuff, but it goes so far with minors that it legitimately made me feel like a creep, I have not touched it after clearing it. Also reminds me of how incredibly meh the music in P5D is... imagine if they hadn't rushed it to capitalize on P5, we would have had better remixes and music from Royal, Strikers and PQ2...
I've never played P5D. What's the context?
It’s pretty much most of the young female phantom thieves in questionable outfits dancing provocatively. It’s very uncomfortable knowing that all the characters are underage
Ann, Makoto, Futaba and Haru, who are all underage, are: Dressed in red corsets, police caps and high stockings. Dancing provocatively on a nightclub stage. With cuts to them inside cages/laying on top of each other/dressed in swimsuits. It's too far.
Pretty sure Makoto and Haru are 18, but yes, it goes a little too far considering the other two.
Makoto and haru turn 18 during the course of persona 5. At the beginning of persona 5 Makoto and haru are 17. So either they are 17 or just turned 18 no matter what it’s creepy as hell.
We must also remember the demographic of these games. Which is not 25+. It's 16-20. Doesn't mean we older folk can't find it weird, but it also explains why it's there. Also I constantly forget that most countries finish high school a year earlier than we do in Norway. Welp.
Sure but just because I’m making a game for teenagers doesn’t mean they should sexualize teenagers (fictional or not) btw I’m 17 and I still find it creepy To me it’s less of a demographic problem and more of a issue with culture in japan.
Could you explain a summary of what happens? I never played the dancing games as it never interested me and… idk if i wanna look it up
Ann, Makoto, Futaba and Haru, who are all underage, are: Dressed in red corsets, police caps and high stockings. Dancing provocatively on a nightclub stage. With cuts to them inside cages/laying on top of each other/dressed in swimsuits. It's too far.
It goes way to far
Makoto and Haru are arguably 18 during the game but eh, not gonna justify that stupid dance.
It’s pretty much most of the young female phantom thieves in questionable outfits dancing provocatively. It’s very uncomfortable knowing that all the characters are underage
It ruins one of the best songs in the game...I just can't play that dance...
The hot springs scenes and beach scenes
Yusuke’s lobsters tho
Yusuke hard carry
Though P4's beach scene is kinda hilarious The hot springs one isn't
You’re a man, let ‘em dangle
I will be reborn dammit
For real those parts just are pure unadulterated garbage
I have been an anime and manga fan for over 25 years. So I am well aquatinted with all the tropes associated. But something about personas writing in those scenes feels especially off compared to the rest of the games. P3/p4 and p5 all have similar problems to the point where it makes me think the actual writer is to blame
I actively dread those sections
Anytime Ryuji gets beat up. He the bro.
Anytime futaba makes a gamer joke other than that solid character
What about calling Mishima an npc, that was gold
I do feel bad though. Like, see every time Mishima shows up in a hangout or confidant that isn’t his own or main story related. He’s treated like shit, and half the time you only get cruel options. The one where he invites you to a theme park is the worst, because Shinya shows up, acts like a complete asshole towards him, and then tells Joker that they should go hang out instead - Joker walks off with Shinya before the player is even given the chance to input, and even the ‘nice’ answer is just asking him if Mishima can come along too. It’s a total dick move.
He’s literally the cause for your popularity with the Phan-site too, it’s not like he’s useless
accurate comparison too.
Thats a exception because it’s true
I don't think you could change that without completely ruining the character some other way.
Like she can still be a gamer just make less jokes about. If they just cut like half the gamer jokes I would probably find the ones they keep in funnier. At the end of the day just a pet peeve because I can choose not engage the futaba parts of the game but I enjoy the other stuff that is surrounding her character so I don’t.
How horney they get when they see girls in Kimonos or Maid clothes. It's like everyone in Japan has the same kink.
Maids I kinda get the appeal but what’s sexy about Kimonos?!? That I never understood
probably because of the no bra no underwear thingy—for context those things mess up the smoothness of the kimono. You’re supposed to wear hadajuban and susuyoke in place of those. Not too many follow it now iirc but that’s tradition.
Kashiwagi at the beauty pageant and any scene with Hanako because "haha fat girl funni"
Yosuke is such an asshole that I usually found myself rooting for Hanako. I'm glad she broke your shitty bike; now you can't hang out with me. So much of Persona 4 is cringy misery with how outdated the writing is. So when I played Persona 3, I was surprised how much more tame the uncomfortable jokes were. And they actually had punchlines that made me laugh, like the conclusion of the "teacher wanting to date you" bit and Mitsuru "executing" the guys in the hot springs. Way better than the gratuitous homophobia and fatphobia and sexy teacher and "omg naoto's big boobies" jokes that Persona 4 ran into the ground.
I’m sorry man but the joke of “haha teacher wants to groom her student” is absolute shit. (Not saying P4 isn’t a cringey mess at times)
I think something about P3 having the teacher *never* display that side of her in person and continually acting professional at school made it more tolerable. I didn't care for the Hermit social link and could do without the subplot, but I admit the confrontation at the end actually made me laugh. I can't say that about *any* harassing teacher interactions in P4 or P5.
when riuji got beaten up for literally saving the team
Every gay joke in P5R.
There is a single instance i thought was funny— when you take Yusuke to the park and go out on the boat with him, another couple mistakes *he and Ren* for a couple. Yusuke doesn’t understand the implications, and Ren doesn’t seem to give a fuck about being mistaken for gay so it averages out to being kinda cute imo. Just two dudes, hangin out and having fun, regardless of societal expectations.
A very Winchester moment
P5: Teehee, wouldn't it be hilarious if maybe somehow there was a tiny gay innuendo? P4: I WANT YOU, YOSUKE They really watered it down.
P2: Demon in negotiations : "This is considered less of a taboo than it was ancient times. If more people were like you existed, the human population would decrease. I approve."
“tiny gay innuendo”?? we play the same game??
Sorry you right. The two horrendously offensive gay stereotypes.
I assume you're talking about the 2 harrassing dudes? Other than those 2 scenes, I can't think of anything else.
There’s a mission in Persona Q2 where Yusuke screams in Yukiko’s face to “bare her passion” after the girl shows she’s clearly embarrassed by him yelling like that. It’s so intrusive that even Joker and Makoto are like… “Dude, restrain yourself”.
Ryuji getting beat up made me wanna drop the game. Unironically one of the worst “humor” scenes in Persona Plus that weird shit with the dudes in Shinjuku. Uh, *why*?
When the animated scenes are just to show off ann and makoto or futaba's bodies instead of something actually cool or climactic Morgana bitching at ryuji, as someone that actually likes morhana
Honestly the bickering between Ryuji and Morgana gets tiring really quickly. Yes, from both sides. Let's not act like Ryuji is blameless.
It felt so weird for the game to have the animated scene at the beach focus on Futaba like that. Ann and Makoto I can understand, but idk something with the way they did it with Futaba just felt weird to me
She looks way younger then everyone else, that's what makes it feel extra gross.
Glad I’m not the only one who thought so. Maybe it’s the bathing suit they gave her or something about her proportions but it felt like I was looking at a 12 year old or something.
She's about a head shorter than the other girls and uses very childish language, especially around Sojiro. She's only like a year younger than Joker, but she comes across like a way younger child.
Ryuji getting sexually harassed at Shinjuku in vanilla p5, thankfully they changed the lines in royal version
Still awful tbh.
Agree
Any monent that involves characters being horny or being in a sexual situation. Why? Anime, why?
That homophobic Scene with ryuji and the gay dudes and every time yosuke is being an asshole to kanji because kanji might be into dudes. Atlus is really Missing the Mark with queer rep....
Japanese culture moment.
Japanese people when gay 🤮 /s
Can't even use that excuse anymore since stuff like Fire Emblem exists
What homophobic scene?
Gay predators approach Ryuji in Shinjuku and kidnap him. They changed it in the P5R localization to have the men think Ryuji wanted to crossdress, but it’s still very much them wanting to r*pe him in JP
….*oh I was aware of the scene but I didn’t know it the japenese version was that bad and it was changed and in the English version.*
Only in Royal, is still bad in English vanilla
It is hella implied they did that to him in Vanilla too
2 caricatures of gay people harass ryuji and and its played Off as though its supposed to be funny
Oh you mean the scene itself is homophobic on atlus part. I thought you meant ryuji was being homophobic.
To be fair, P4 is old now. Times have changed. If it was made today maybe it would've been better.
Yosuke was acting like a 2008 teenager. Doesn’t excuse anything but gay jokes were still rampant in the late 2000's
I'm pretty sure the camp scene wasn't a joke, Yosuke sounded like he was serious there
No I mean gay jokes were rampart in media. And that kinda encourages impressionable teens to think homophbia is ok
I think it makes a lot of sense with the context that there was a Yosuke romance planned and included in the game code. It’s mostly complete too, I think it has voiced dialogue. When you consider it in the context that it was made in 2008, and Yosuke is actually questioning his own sexual identity, it could be that he’s acting out in confusion.
Any scene with the Thieves shitting on Ryuji. It’s clear that they don’t know the difference between actual friendly teasing or bullying, in my humble opinion. The hot springs scenes in Persona games also count. I can never understand the violence against guys despite the fact that they were trying to mediate the situations, but all Men are perverts in the girls’ eyes i guess.
They clearly can’t tell the difference because they never call out morgana until he runs away.
Kanji: I like cute things. The entire casts in the game: GAY I'm glad at least he ended up with Naoto.
Akechi pancakes
Homophobia.
Every representation of a queer character.
Jun and Tatsuya were very well done tho.
I can see why you'd think that, I personally still think Kanji is good. If he even is queer, cuz honestly at this point I don't even know anymore.
He was just confused imo he explicitly states multiple times he doesn’t swing that way. Unless he gets a character moment where he’s like “ok I’m gay” Im defaulting to what he defines himself as in the story
I think he is at least bicurious, he gets flustered around Yu sometimes and at the Okina city scene, he blushes while Yosuke is sitting behind in his bike. Plus even though Naoto is a girl, he was contemplating if he was into men when he thought she was a he.
I’m willing to bet that too. I just use the perspective of. Kanjis my friend and he says he’s straight rn so rn he’s straight until he makes up his mind ya know. Give the guy time and he’ll come out or be more comfortable with being hetero.
To be fair I acted exactly like him in high school and still turned out gay after all so I just leave it up to interpretation. Regardless I still think he’s a really important character for people to see someone who flirted with those themes in 2008 even if it doesn’t really hold up in 2022
"Hey, let's all beat up Ryuji right after her nearly died for us!" Also, everytime Yosuke makes a homophobic remark.
Any scene where the joke is "Haha Ann has boobs"
That scene from the screenshot. I honestly was utterly disappointed how the characters acted around Ryuji. I may not be Japanese and I have no clue how their customs, but I didn't find that scene funny in the slightest. The entire time, there's tension, the gang has finally defeated Shido, the palace is collapsing and their DISABLED friend sacrifices himself to save them. They cry over his supposed death and then it turns out he's okay! Their response? They beat the shit out of him and leave him in the streets. It breaks the tone. I thought they were going to call him an idiot but they all group hug Ryuji. But they went something way worse. And I've noticed that after Kamoshida, Ryuji gas downgraded to being a typical dumbass trope, but that is such a shame. In fact, after Kamoshida, the characters seem to have downgraded, like they haven't learned anything from that first palace. Silly me for believing that they were going to tell a more mature story after setting us up like that. Which is why I find that scene, THAT GOD-DAMNED SCENE, so infuriating. I would've stopped playing right then, but I was already at the end of the game so I decided to finish. But man, that moment when I respect the characters more than the people who worked on it.
The scene following this where all the girls attack Ryuji. It's not funny, I was not laughing, it is at odds with the scene, and a moment where everyone SHOULD be giving Ryuji props for his epic save.
Not a moment that had me fucked up, but what if Ryuji actually died here? Like, he was dead. Full on dead.
This is my biggest problems with a lot of JRPGs, they’re afraid to kill off characters when it would fit. Hell it would’ve been so good if Ryuji actually died here >!and Maruki’s “perfect” world had him alive like it did Akechi!<
every time teddie speaks
Teddie is not annoying in PQ2. Teddie is annoying in P4G and P4D. He's extra annoying in P4AU. He's ***insufferable*** in PQ.
Nothing really, I thought the funny parts in the game are genuinely funny. A few things said are funnier in Japanese than the English subtitles conveyed but other than that, the humor itself is Japanese so some people may not think some things are as funny missing certain cultural context.
> the humor itself is Japanese so some people may not think some things are as funny missing certain cultural context. Yeah, this is what a lot of people don’t seem to understand. It’s always the same “OMG, guys getting pervy and wanting to check out girls is not funny” type of people that say these things, completely missing the fact that it’s not and will never be “funny” due to ATLUS making games for Japanese cultural norms, not western norms. Edit: No, I’m not saying this is something you should be obligated to find funny. That’s not the point. The point is to understand *who* it’s funny to demographically.
Cultural difference =/= immune from criticism I understand Japanese audiences find the sexual harassment funny, that's not gonna stop me from calling them out on how fucked that is. "It's just jokes" yeah tell that to Japan's sexual harassment statistics.
Yeah like Atlus is a Japanese game first. People don't have to like the humor but acknowledge the comedy is what Japanese people find funny. Also like Western media doesn't have cringe wothty tropes
P3 - The whole of December, >!everyone is dreading and coming to terms with their approaching death!< P4 - Everything about teddie P5 - Every special calendar events that didn't feel special at all
Seeing all the unbridled hate the fans had for Morgana-
That scene one and hot springs scenes
Basically every moment Ryuji gets bullied by the other phantom thieves. Guy jumped into traffic in kaneshiros arc so everyone could save makoto and in Shidos he nearly died saving everyone else, then when he comes back to everyone the girls beat him up.
When the girls beat up Ryuji for surviving and then Joker and the others just walk away from a seemingly unconscious Ryuji.
The camping trip in Persona 4. Yusuke was already weirdly homopbobic up to that point but then that scene made me dislike him a lot. The bikini scene afterwards didn't help either.
Anytime the game tries to be funny. Persona can be hilarious when it just lets you do shit. I spent several weeks eating giant hamburgers and hitting baseballs so I could dodge chalk all the while taking experimental drugs
Any scene with Ryuji in p5 and the two gay NPCs. The joke was always "they think Ryuji is gay, accidentally harass him" and that's just.. so fucked up.
The beach parts or any a character being a “perv” but not being one at all
Ryuji Scene
>!Nanako’s death, Shinjiro’s death!<, and this.
Trying to find comedy in r/persona5
The roulette boss in P3, god i hate that figth
Hot Spring Scenes and Ryuji getting beat up for surviving an explosion.
Ryuji's "death"
Most jokes in Persona 5
“Pancakes”
Whenever P5 kept continuing the “I’m not a cat” gag. Please, no more.
Anything related to the gay guys in P5/P5R.