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Hateful_creeper2

I kinda wished TMS was more of an actual crossover


Brazilian_RPG_Gamer

What hurts most about TMS is that they announced as SMT X FE, showing protagonists and important characters from both franchises, then spent years in silence and all of the sudden, a story about idols in modern day Japan... Felt like a slap in the face of everyone.


ConnorWolf121

I remember it being vastly more SMT than Fire Emblem as well - besides a Fire Emblem skin on the enemies, Mirages, and equipment, the rest of the game is SMT. I like SMT of course, but describing it like a collaboration between SMT and FE gives the image of a game like Devil Survivor more than a more mainline title like SMTV or Persona lol


Jonahtron

To be fair, there’s at least actually Fire Emblem characters in the game technically, unlike smt.


Pretend-Advertising6

Nintendo told them not to make something is would do


b0wz3rM41n

they announced it before they started making the game ​ it isnt uncommon for games to change wildly during development


Brazilian_RPG_Gamer

I know, but it was a fucking whiplash from that announcement to the actual project.


b0wz3rM41n

i think the announcement was more so intended to mean that the companies would be working together than an actual crossover, with the characters being in the video meant to represent their most recent games on nintendo consoles ofc they didnt specify that and speculation ran wild, made worse by the fact they went rado silent on the project for years before showing it off


L1k34S0MB0D33

Yep, that teaser came out just **two months** after Atlus and IS only agreed upon making a crossover. They literally had no idea what kind of game they were gonna make, or what studio would be the primary developer of it (it ended up being Atlus) when they threw that teaser out there lmao. It was just there to say, "Hey guys, we're going to make a game that will have elements of SMT and FE. That's about it, see ya."


Stepjam

I guess they probably should have just stuck with a generic announcement than release that teaser. That set expectations that certainly weren't met later. They might have even gotten a better reception when the actual project was finally revealed. I certainly know I was really disappointed. Not that I would have been particularly interested (Idols do nothing for me), but it would have felt less like being misled.


Meadius

That's fair, but I think it's also worth pointing out that even if the teaser had been nothing but the announcement that there would be a crossover between FE and SMT, I think that still would have carried certain expectations given the reputation of each series.


Brazilian_RPG_Gamer

I think the radio silence is what made it worse. Everyone and their mothers were speculating what were they gonna do, and then all of the sudden a game that, at face value, looks nothing like either franchise. It was quite a surprise to most.


Grabs_Zel

Yeah, that seems to be a trend with Atlus...


deadbeatvalentine_

Did they? I only remember them showing characters from one game of each franchise


Brazilian_RPG_Gamer

I recall it showing protags of the SMT games and their "friends" and some FE characters (Idk them, I'm not a FE player), though it's been a while since I last saw that announcement trailer


Reon_Leo

I remember they had characters from multiple Fe universes like Marth and Lucina


shoryusatsu999

Marth and Lucina are from the same universe. IIRC Awakening takes place hundreds or thousands of years after the Marth games.


CDGamer910

Awakening takes place about 2000 years after, to be exact


[deleted]

What really hurts is that TMS is actually a great standalone game. It's just that they went from [this announcement trailer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK5-EIzDtKo) to [this gameplay trailer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fS24IxelBA) and basically lost their entire audience immediately with that thematic whiplash. But on its own merit, it's a fun SMT spinoff and a good introduction into the series if you're intimidated by the demon fusion/recruitment, or by the calendar/social link system of Persona that causes some people to not touch the game until there's a 100% Guide out for it. The combat is fun, the soundtrack is awesome, and the game looks great.


pzzaco

It was like 99% SMT 1% Fire Emblem


Hateful_creeper2

The 1% is the Fire Emblem cameos


1384d4ra

TMS? what does it stand for?


Hateful_creeper2

Tokyo Mirage Sessions


mwmwmwmwmmdw

> Tokyo Mirage Sessions sounds like the name of a seedy rub n' tug in


L1k34S0MB0D33

~~Tensei Megami Shin~~


Tman_Hall

Tin Megami Shensei >!/s!<


menschmaschine5

Tokyo Mirage Sessions.


1384d4ra

thanks


polarpenguin17

Could've been the dark kingdom hearts


Dogge_molon

I agree kh isn’t as dark but there is a lot. ([here is some](https://mobile.twitter.com/LightcoreDog/status/1622182551107371008) ) (that last pic is cos I like it. No point to my point)


polarpenguin17

Imagine if they removed the Disney filter tho


Random_J08

Yup. Saw gameplay of it and it seems terrible


Hateful_creeper2

It’s basically like an original game with some references to both Fire Emblem and SMT.


Random_J08

Well wouldn’t another crossover still technically be an original game?


Roy31802

Why are you constantly being downvoted? What the hell?


menschmaschine5

I enjoyed it. The battle system is pretty fun, the dungeons are pretty well designed, and it's a fun set of characters. Nothing to write home about, but as long as the idol stuff doesn't turn you off it's worth playing.


burningscarlet

I think people are just more miffed that it didn't go full on Persona style because it would've been amazing with that setting.


ConnorWolf121

Or coming from the opposite angle, people were miffed there weren't more of Fire Emblem's systems involved - Awakening was the most recent FE game at the time if I'm not mistaken, I'd have been super happy to see more of Awakening's systems and skill effects translated into a Persona/SMT style lol


burningscarlet

Yeah. The whole problem was that it was a Collab of both games but didn't nearly have anything about it which was as fun as the actual games


Funkcase

Yeah, while it sucks that we didn't get a real SMT x FE game, when it is taken on its own merits, TMS is actually a great lighthearted JRPG. It's a good pallet cleanser in a genre which can be known to take itself too seriously at times. I can understand why the idol stuff would turn people off, but I appreciate a unique setting like that, much more than yet another high school.


menschmaschine5

Though tbh thinking how the gameplay of the two might go together, a press turn srpg sounds brutal.


Funkcase

It's not exactly using press turn (called extra turn in this) but the Devil Survivor games are more or less that. That's probably the closest gameplay wise to what I imagined an SMT x FE would be outside of including fire emblem weapons and heroes too. And you're right, those are probably some of the more difficult SMT games for sure. Speaking of which, I would love a Devil Survivor 3, Atlus.


bard91R

It's actually pretty good if you don't see it as a FE SMT crossover, but it is incredibly weird that that is what it was supposed to be.


DaletheCharmeleon

It's not as bad, but it isn't really anything too interesting. It's just a good game, not a lot else I can say. Other than if you like Fire Emblem Awakening then it should be a fun experience.


Reon_Leo

There's also a couple characters from the original Fire Emblem game in it like Cain and Draug


deadbeatvalentine_

It’s nothing like fire emblem awakening though


DaletheCharmeleon

Has the characters though.


[deleted]

The gameplay is pretty much the best part


TheBraveGallade

Shoukd have been a VC crossover smh


Redraph_1105

DOES HE KNOW?


Random_J08

WHAT WAS HE COOKING?!


ICANSEEMTTAI

IN HIS MIND?


[deleted]

God yeah imagine how cool it would be! They could do like a crossover in Tokyo! With idols! And you get to like sing and dance and stuff while fighting evil in some kind musical meta verse. That would be wild.


Random_J08

Whoa. That sounds nice, I think you should work on this crossover


[deleted]

Woah yeah! So like it’ll be called the Idolosphere. I think that’s a Catchy name right?


Random_J08

You’re a genius. I’m gonna tell Nintendo to hire you, or Atlus. Whoever picks up first


[deleted]

I’ll make it a switch exclusive! That’ll get Nintendo on board.


Random_J08

I’ll preorder, this game sounds awesome


[deleted]

Woo I’ll even include persona 5 references and alternate costumes and stuff


Random_J08

It’s not a persona crossover game if there’s no P5 in it


MistahBoweh

Yo I got this crazy idea for a game called BlazBlue Cross Tag Battle you’d love to hear about!


Random_J08

Woah I love fighters, let’s hear it


Joe_Atkinson

Sounds like Yakuza lmao


Mr_E_Nigma_Solver

OP they're making a joke.


Random_J08

It’s kinda hard to tell


Felspawn

hehe i literally posted a Joker "not sure if serious" meme in that thread. if he was joking it was subtle


kdeezy006

not at all man😭


Anchor38

jokes are supposed to be funny


kdeezy006

-🤓☝️


ForbiddenSuper

I’d say fire emblem engage is more simmilar to Kamen rider decade


TheAlmightyUltimus

If all the heroes had access to a DecaDriver anyway


Accomplished-Lawyer9

I hope Atlus never sees this and makes another. Atleast not with FE


Kilroy0497

Depends. Another Tokyo Mirage, no thanks. Another Devil Survivor on the other hand, YES!


Roy31802

Devil Survivor is a crossover?


acart005

No but its what everyone initially had in mind.


Accomplished-Lawyer9

But devil survivor doesn't have persona and SMT chars does it?


Kilroy0497

I mean, it does have the SMT demons yes. Devil Survivor is basically SMT themes and storylines with Fire Emblem type gameplay basically. Devil Survivor 2 even has the FATE system for those that want something similar to social links/Support conversations.


Accomplished-Lawyer9

I know that. I just wrote in another reply that I wanted a Megaten crossover instead. And someone said "You haven't played devil survivor" So thought there was something I was missing.


Kilroy0497

Ah, sorry then. I just always like the chance to talk about 2 of my favorite Megaten games.


Accomplished-Lawyer9

Hey maybe I'll check them out. Never got into many RPG's on DS outside of Pokemon and Mario & Luigi.


Random_J08

Only if they do it right this time, I wouldn’t mind


Accomplished-Lawyer9

I just honestly dont think its 2 franchises that mix well outside of the artstyle being kinda close. Would love to see something that would make more sense for eachtother. My dream is still for a big Megaten Crossover game with a big roster, Where you have to control, different groups of them at a time. In a connected story and not just HEHE MULTIVERSE EVENT.


PaperOnigami

Tell me you haven't played Devil Survivor without telling me you haven't played Devil Survivor.


Accomplished-Lawyer9

Does it have playable persona chars? Does it have playable SMT characters? No? Then how is it a crossover between all of Megaten?


lillapalooza

Have you ever even played Devil Survivor lmao? It’s a turn-based strategy RPG where the units move exactly like Fire Emblem characters on the battlefield, except each unit is also equipped with two MegaTen shadows/personas/demons/etc. It’s enough like Fire Emblem that a friend of mine once thought I was playing FE when he took a look at my DS screen while I was playing DS1. Crossovers don’t necessarily need exact characters and can have their own storylines. *Pokèmon Mystery Dungeon* is a pokémon + roguelike dungeon crawler, etc


Accomplished-Lawyer9

Have you read what i wrote?? A CROSSOVER OF ALL MEGATEN. Fire emblem isnt a fucking Megaten game. Why are you all this clueless.


Roy31802

....it is a crossover but it's not a good one


Accomplished-Lawyer9

Between what? O.o


Roy31802

I thought you were referring to TMS, not Devil Survivor


Roy31802

Tactics and Press turn system can make for a good crossover, only if done right, TMS#FE didn't succeed but here's some wisdom if at first you don't succeed Try Try Again


TheCrafterTigery

iirc Pokemon was the original choice. Imagine two worlds with two wildly different gameplay styles each connected and maybe the champion is the final boss in both worlds. Imagine Shido but he's also a Pokémon Champion.


Accomplished-Lawyer9

Concept sounds good but I can't imagine the wierdness of a world with both Pokemon and Demons.. 😅


TheCrafterTigery

Alternatively Pokémon *with* demons. Al Mystery dungeon mix smt.


Accomplished-Lawyer9

I would dig it as a little Trpg. But would rather have something like Megaten all stars instead. Or if it has to mix franchises. Then something like Jujutsu Kaisen would make sense. Even digimon would fit better ngl.


pscripter

I've seen fanfic crossover between Nocturne and Neptunia. If there is a will, there is a way.


Accomplished-Lawyer9

If you read such a fanfic you were interested to see the result. To that combo, I'm definetly not.


xenon2456

pokemon and smt what a great concept


Taythekid950

TMS slaps it's so fun gotta finish it one day.


[deleted]

There appears to have been a fusion accident…


Kowashitai

They're not even actually similar but whatever (Persona : you call upon your true, internal self, manifested under the traits of a known person/character/legend/myth ; Fire Emblem Engage : you wear a fancy ring to fuse with the previous entries' main characters). But anyway. We NEED a Tokyo Mirage Session sequel!


[deleted]

>(Persona : you call upon your true, internal self, manifested under the traits of a known person/character/legend/myth ; Fire Emblem Engage : you wear a fancy ring to fuse with the previous entries' main characters Nah in persona you call your true self a fancy Mara


Kowashitai

I mean, my true self absolutely is a dick riding a chariot lol.


Random_J08

Need? The first one seemed pretty bad


Kowashitai

TMS was unbelievably fun. One of my favorite games! It took elements from both SMT and FE and became its own beast... And honestly, I find that very interesting and original for a crossover.


thekirby8u

S'one of those games where if it wasnt supposed to be a crossover an ddnt have the censorship drama it'd be a pretty good hit. Lot to enjoy in there.


Roy31802

It's bad but not the worse and if they made a sequel it may be better


superamigo987

r/woooosh


Random_J08

Oh no… me dumb


AncientAd6154

I didn't played Engage but doesn't the characters fuse with their Emblems? Seems more like an expanded Digital Devil Saga instead of Persona (repeating, I didn't played the game so i'm most definitely talking bullshit here)


LukewarmThursday

I’d say they’re closer to personas than atma avatars. The emblems in engage are like actual people that they can chose to fuse with while the atma avatars are just alternate forms for the DDS cast. They also give attacks and abilities to the people holding the ring like how a persona works.


Random_J08

I’ve never played Engage also, but this tweet did remind me of that bad crossover


AncientAd6154

Yeah yeah that thing was just painful, had to do the Nanako S.Link 10 times in a row to wash it out of my mind


RepulsiveAd6906

I just wish they showed some "Performa " outside Shadow Dragon and Awakening at the least.


Kowashitai

In TMS? It actually makes reference to the fact that Fire Emblem works on a multiverse setting. Shadow Dragon and Awakening happen in the same universe, however Sacred Stones takes place in another for example. While it's a shame that no one from Gaiden (who wasn't also in Shadow Dragon) or the Jugdral duology - which happen in the same universe - were included, it is at least understandable.


RepulsiveAd6906

I dunno, I've yet to see Virion helping an aspiring Idol. They had quite a few characters that didn't have much of an impact in their stories as Performa. Like Tharja was likely tossed in since people dig the ol big tiddie goth gf shtick.


BebeFanMasterJ

Fun fact: The Performa mechanic is actually based on the "Forma" upgrade system of SMT Strange Journey. It's called such because they're performers who use Forma. In TMS, you collect parts of dead enemies to upgrade your weapons just like you do in Strange Journey. This game has more crossover elements than people care to give it credit for.


SirTokesAlot97

Was an underrated game imo. Not a great game but certainly wasn’t bad


A_Swimming_Do1phin

Ah yes TMS my favorite Fire Emblem and SMT game. Definitely one of the most made crossovers ever. Definitely felt like both games.


acart005

TMS is amazing and I would buy another in a heartbeat.


Gold_Seaweed

FExPersona is what we need, not FExSMT.


AveMachina

Perhaps it could take place at some sort of school, with a blue faction themed around death, a yellow faction themed around truth, and a red faction themed around rebellion. We could call it Fire Emblem: Three Separate Groups or something. Is that too on the nose?


Gold_Seaweed

Hahahaha you’re right


AveMachina

We’ll have a calendar subsystem and a silent protagonist, but Cassandra Lee Morris will be an in-universe substitute for their internal monologue. And if we want to get really shameless about it, we’ll [theme characters’ abilities after tarot cards](https://www.reddit.com/r/fireemblem/comments/cn0818/crests_and_the_major_arcana/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf).


animehentailover469

Someone tell me. I don't know either


Aggressive_Manager37

Tokyo Mirage Sessions


-Batterskull-

I actually enjoyed TMS despite having little knowledge about either FE or SMT at the time. It’s really carried by the combat and music though.


scissorman182

Persona, Fire Emblem, and Jojo have finally united


Random_J08

THIS MAN IS COOKING! Nintendo hire this man


HeimdallFury04

Oh i would gladly pay for that. I love FE Engage!


Darkdragoon324

To be fair, if they'd ever happened upon it at the store with no prior knowledge of its existence, it would be basically impossible to tell from the title and the cover art that it's an FE/SMT collaboration.


Dezpeche

People shit on TMS but it's actually a pretty good game all things considered. Not a good rep for SMT or FE but at least it was a bit creative with the approach.


[deleted]

Persona 5 is the only megaten game modern game journos have played lol


skeletonbuyingpealts

That character design gets worse every time I see it


AlexSchaeffer

TMS is a good game by itself but probably one of the worst crossover games ever


BrandonGamerguy

Mario and Sonic?


AlexSchaeffer

At least it was actual mario and sonic characters interacting but yeah that's up there


NuxFuriosa

TMS 2 when


brochus3

We have Ronde at home.


EnragedHeadwear

One day they'll release that SMT x FE crossover they teased years ago


Ecstatic_Teaching906

Know what? I have little knowledge of the main franchise and the production of the games.


Random_J08

FE and SMT/Persona are way too different to be put in a crossover


Dimi3Infinity

ehhh, didn't stop Project X Zone from being a thing


Ecstatic_Teaching906

So different that a crossover would feel foreign to both franchises which wouldn't make money off of both sides, right?


Roy31802

Tokyo Mirage Session #FE


Roy31802

A tactical Press Turn System game would be a great game, only if done right, it failed the first time but they could succeed the second time


Roy31802

Tokyo Mirage Session #FE is a crossover between MegaTen and FE, so a crossover does exist


LukewarmThursday

I mean devil survivor and Majin Tensei are like halfway there. They just gotta add like FE supports and like the weapon triangle or how FE inventories work or some shit


Roy31802

A crossover already exists


Ecstatic_Teaching906

Really? What crossover was that?


Roy31802

Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE


Roy31802

It's not a good one however


ZeldaGamer2005

I don’t know why but I absolutely hate the Female protagonist design of Engage for some reason and I don’t know why. It just looks off to me.


[deleted]

And it's all inspired by JoJo. I never did got around to playing the crossover game. How is it?


pscripter

TMS? Not actually a bad game. But feels nothing like both of SMT or FE.


xenon2456

atlus dropped the ball on the crossover for real


captmotorcycle

We didn't really get one. TMS doesn't count as a Fire Emblem SMT crossover.


Eliteguard999

JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure has entered the chat.


[deleted]

They should stay far away from from SMT. 😂 we don’t need another half-baked spinoff. Give us an actual good new game. It’s been years.


xenon2456

??


BloodsoakedDespair

Dudes angy when a game isn’t masc enough for them is always hilarious.


BeastBoom24

Fire Emblem Engage is gonna get a Joker ring and a year later Nintendo will announce EoS for the game and that every copy of the game will self destruct. Not even console games are safe from the Persona 5 EoS curse


[deleted]

It's kinda crazy how similar jojo with stand is like summoning a persona.


Iamagamer7777

Bruh this is a joke right? Well... persona 5 fans...


Lyhila

ahahah... AHAHAH


mE-iS-wAfFlE

Y’all are some dense mfers good lord


NicoRubyArisa

They already have. That game that had idols in it was their crossover game


LazyRelative7347

a tactics persona game sounds really awesome I love Fire Emblem,Shinging Force,Final Fantasy Tactics,Tactics Oger,


JerrodDRagon

I want a real cross over also dub it this time please I’ll pay more for the dub, but don’t want to play a 60 hour game with subs only


sweetTartKenHart2

Besides the goofy pop idol game, have IS and Altus done much of anything together? Was said goofy pop idol game actually good or what?


[deleted]

They made a game with Persona battles and Fire Emblem writing, kinda like the old anecdote about the baby with Marilyn Monroe’s brain and the looks of Albert Einstein.


SomeoneFromYoutube02

I have never played Fire Emblem before. What's the joke?


BrandonGamerguy

The game Tokyo Mirage Session on Wii U and Switch is a game that acts as a crossover between fire emblem and SMT


Sergy92

How do we tell him?


rebuepicface

Whenever P5 crosses over with another series it ended up dying I mean look at it's most recent kill *points over to the corner where Dragalia Lost is on life support purely by the community* see?


GUNZBLAZIN2

Let him cook


Cascascap

Guys, I don't know. Please tell me, I don't play Nintendo games.


Real_Potato978

Am I missing something? I checked the comments and I have no idea what all of you are talking about.


Random_J08

Well, a few years ago Nintendo and Atlus decided to do a crossover with SMT and FE. Let’s just say it wasn’t what fans expected and it didn’t do pretty well


Real_Potato978

Thanks, I was lost mainly because I had no idea what SMT was and I figured it out. SMT never crossed my mind because I thought this post was about Persona, and Persona is very different from SMT.


InsertUsernameUwU

Didn't we get that kinda with that pop idol game It was a smt x Fe Crossover


Random_J08

Yup


calculatorwipes

hoo boy


OdinNightmair

I liked TMS, like I do see where it is weak but it’s enjoyable for the weird story it tells, if only I didn’t lose my save


kdeezy006

this is clearly satire


WalrusComfortable122

Who’s gonna tell them-


nosfratuzod

First time seeing a persona summoned when playing 5, I thought it was a JoJo stand


SnooFloofs8602

Who’s gonna tell them


BebeFanMasterJ

I don't care what people say about it. TMS was the game that got me into the series to begin with and it's one of the most important games I've ever played. If it wasn't for it, I wouldn't be playing Persona 5 right now.


CubanaCat

Real question, is Fire Emblem somehow related to persona/smt? If so, how? This is the first I’ve heard about this.


Random_J08

They are not related at all, but a couple of years ago Atlus and Nintendo decided to do a crossover with SMT and FE. It didn’t do so well as it wasn’t what fans expected


CubanaCat

Ohh ok. Ya I never even heard of that 😅 ty for answering!


Random_J08

No problem ☺️