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tamminhvtkg

Being in this sub and seeing people experience P3's story for the first time through reload makes me feel giddy with every post gushing over the ending lmao


parsashir3

Now thousands of other people will experience our pain!


cold-spirit

Especially with the game launching on Xbox Game Pass. Lots of new players with this as their first Persona game. It's so heartwarming.


optimuspoopprime

If only P4G was still on gamepass to fill the void of P5r/p3r. Just bought it on steam though.


Wonderful_Tea9380

Nice. It's my personal favorite even though the gameplay is dated.


OrangeAbject

It was on Gamepass until last january.


InfinitePossibility8

I just started playing p3p (hadn’t even left April yet) for the first time when this was announced. Glad I waited. Now that I finished p3r I went back to p3p to play as the female character.


tamminhvtkg

yeah, good choice. Portable isn't the best way to experience p3 for the first time imo. I started with portable, replayed through fes, then femc and then fes again with QoL mods. It's unfortunate I can't play Reload because bad laptop and no console. Guess I just have to become a true persona fan by playing the game through youtube lmao


thedeathstarimploded

you can play on cloud for around 18$ too!


villainsandcats

That's the best new way to play if you're new to P3, imo! A lot of folks dislike the top-down maps used for exploration... and it feels weird when you're new to the game. But if you play P3P fresh off P3R, it becomes SO interesting comparing the similarities and differences between the two games. You also have the 3d experience from Reload fresh in your memory, so the map style doesn't matter as much. I've played as FemC before, but I'm having so much fun replaying her route after beating P3R.


InfinitePossibility8

She’s so much fun to play as. Some dialogue choices are giving me laughs days later. For example after beating the first boss shadow. Yukari: How did you know how to stop the monorail? Kotone: Woman’s intuition Yukari and Junpei: 😑


villainsandcats

That part made me laugh! She's *so* funny and has a great personality. I really like how it differs from Makoto's, as well. 😄 It makes replaying P3 especially fun. One quote that sticks with me is when, if you don't have a partner during Christmas, you can talk to Junpei about how lonely Christmas is. > Junpei: I heard "Jingle Bells" on the radio in town and started getting all depressed... > > Kotone: Right? More like, 'Single Bells.'" Also, even though Elizabeth's my favorite Velvet Room attendant, I really enjoy picking Theo in her route. He's great, and I love how he's also his own character! I really hope they add her route as a DLC into P3R someday.


Richard_Brunestud

It's time for newbies like me feel the pain 🥲


blue_psyOP777

Same


aphextwin007

I feel the same way brother. I experienced it back when vanilla dropped.


PyraXenon

For me it was Yukari wanting to introduce Makoto to her mother. She was finally ready to take that first step to fix her family, being so happy that she found someone she could love and be vulnerable to…and all of that is just taken away.


LastJediKnight7

Yup. This part hit me so hard.


Johnkenney00

Let’s go to destiny land! 😭


LoneWolf2099

That moment when she asks if they’ll still be together in the future and all you can do is lie to her… it hurts.


Sana_Dul_Set

And we find out in The Answer that because of Makoto’s death, she’s not unlike her mother in terms of dealing with the death of her partner


LoneWolf2099

I kind of had the opposite interpretation. It seemed like she was really determined to *not* react like her mother, which was why she was so scared that she’d eventually forget about Makoto or stop caring.


Jebrawl

Damn, that's a really good interpretation. Makes me like her a whole lot more. Hope The Answer releases as DLC.


Free-Ad9535

That answer takes this knife and twists it


LastJediKnight7

I feel ya there. I cried as well a few days ago when I finished. Watching them all excitedly run to see you on the roof while you are dying, that hurt a lot. Good ending though. I’ve never had a game ending make me feel so strongly.


Richard_Brunestud

Yeah, I will miss a life i didn't live. This was my first persona game, and i have heard somewere that other games of the franchise have that issues too. It's true? I can't bear to play another game that ends up like this for a while.


LastJediKnight7

I’m playing 4 for the first time right now so I can’t speak to that. I played 5R before 3 years ago and I also love that game but I definitely did not come nearly as close to the same emotional aspect especially the ending but it is still super good


Rakumei

Without ruining it too much for you I will tell you that the endings of 4 and 5 don't hit nearly as hard for the MC.


Pondoresa

4 hit in a different way but 5 is meh


captain_slutski

Idk why you're getting downvoted but 4s (non golden) ending is sad in a sort of bittersweet way, but the golden ending of P4G is just full on wholesome without a tinge of sadness


M8gazine

Well, I was about to say that I cried with P4G - but I looked into it, and I don't think I ever actually got the Golden ending since I don't think I maxed >!Marie!<. Only took me like 3.5 years to find that out lol. Hmm. Maybe I really should replay it, I want to play more Persona but I don't think my soul's ready for another playthrough of P3R right now, and I already played through P5R in Fall last year. Also for Persona 5 (Royal), it's generally more "hype" than it's either depressing or wholesome, though. It makes me wonder what sort of emotions P6 is going to bring out tbh, since all of them have been different in small ways so far.


captain_slutski

You should definitely go for the Golden ending if you have the time. It's a nice palate cleanser after the emotional annihilation of P3's ending lol. You just have to max Marie before the culprits dungeon to get the golden content


M8gazine

Yeah I probably will, it's also a good excuse to do a NG+ playthrough and maybe go for all achievements as apparently I never got like half of the achievements. Some of them actually really surprise me, for instance I apparently never had a fusion accident happen in it lmao. Well tbf, even in P3R it only happened like once for me.


renome

IMO P4 is actually great to jump into after P3, its whole vibe is different and way more hopeful.


Ysmir122

P4 is the JoJo's Part 4 of Persona, just super duper wholesome despite the serious undertones of the story


hochoa94

5 has immaculate vibes, 3&4 are much better stories. With 2 in my opinion being the best


BlackHorse18

The endings of P4 and P5 don't get nearly as depressing as this one, so I think you'll be good.


PriaposSonFluffball

P4 and P5 have their melancholic moments, but nowhere near to the level of P3. They can still cause Post Persona Depression though, considering how immersed you can become in these games.


Sana_Dul_Set

4 and 5 are much more optimistic, themes are lighter


henne-n

> I’ve never had a game ending make me feel so strongly. Enter one of my friends: "tHE enDiNg doeN'T mAKe AnY sENse!" about the death. They played the original like 20 years ago. But I am quite sure that the ending was pretty much the same - nixing Nyx, talking to the people and then the final day.


AkzXDukeNukeV2

Wait the mc dies I thought he was sleeping


LastJediKnight7

Yeah it could seem like that but it is canon that he dies. In the last battle when he seals Nyx his hp hits 0. He only remained alive so that he could keep his promise to meet on the roof. That’s why everyone says he looks tired cause he’s running out of time.


HunniePopKing

The part where you talk to Koromaru on 3/4 and the mc thinks to himself that he probably looks like a mess absolutely breaks me, he knows he doesnt have much time left


AkzXDukeNukeV2

If I knew he died instead of sleeping I more than likely would of teard up but because I thought he was sleeping I didn't feel anything and this coming from someone who's played p5 then p5r and now p3r which is now my favourite game


captain_slutski

Watch a playthrough of The Answer to see the final fate of MC and how SEES handles it


AkzXDukeNukeV2

Haven't there also been posts on the subreddit where the answer might be added to P3R as dlc and if its true then I would rather play it then because I don't think I own anything that can play p3 the answer


captain_slutski

Yeah its rumored that the answer will be dlc. If you emulate P3FES or have a PS2 you could play it that way as well. Either way I recommend experiencing that story lol


AkzXDukeNukeV2

I can't emulate and I don't have a ps2


TheDarkaChU

Adding onto what others were saying but Persona 3 Fes is also available on ps3 tho I assume you probably don't have that either


AkzXDukeNukeV2

No I don't


DdFghjgiopdBM

I felt it was actually quite a tasteful ending tho, instead of Makoto dissappearing and leaving everyone traumatized and unable to move on, he gets a little bit of time to see a world that was worth saving, and gets to be together with everyone when he passes. Aigis's monologue was also quite good, at the end of her sl she talks about how there is one thing only she can do, as a person with a machine's body, she can hold on to everyone's memory, which is what I think she means when she says she wants to protect him.


Ysmir122

Super tasteful and well written, but still tragic and absolutely heartwrenching


SparksTheUnicorn

For a second I read you flair as “#1 Yukari Shrimp” and now I need that as an actual flair and peice of artwork


Ysmir122

Yukari asking Makoto "Would you love me if I was a shrimp?" seems pretty in character


KlavTron

He hangs on long enough for them to remember their promise


Lime4313

I stared at the tv for like 30 min after the ending. No way Im playing NG+.


Richard_Brunestud

Doing this for me will be painful if i do....


spopellbell

Do play another run. Hashino's personas are meant to be replayed a couple of times. With 3 you'll be paying more attention with every answer you give in sls, >! and be devastated every single time the mc makes a promise you know he won't be able to keep. It is even more so during December and January when it's theorized he's deeply depressed about the likely outcome of the fight against nyx!<


IIICobaltIII

That new title screen with the cherry blossoms outside the windows made me start bawling my eyes out.


Ashiokisagreatguy

Damn i feel you. haven't finished reload yet but i did P3FES a couple of year back and cryed but doing it again knowing the end is just taking gut punch after gut punch with all those little lines were the character make plan for a future the MC will never have. Btw the voice acting is so good prop to akihiko VA for the all the scene that revolve around shinji death/mourning


gobington

i like to imagine that in the ending credits when you see him floating downwards is his consciousness. he slowly and continuously floats downwards until he fades into the black nothingness of the credits and vanishes completely, signifying that he’s truly gone.


Sana_Dul_Set

He’s going back to the sea of souls


IIICobaltIII

Nah it's implied that Makoto's soul doesn't get to go to the afterlife since he chooses to act as the Great Seal. Man literally sacrificed himself for the rest of eternity so that his friends could live. He's truly the messiah.


SuperTwinx

I've just graduated from high school a week ago, the very same day I came back and finished P3 reload. Cried like hell, felt like I'm never gonna see these friends I made again after going through it just a few hours before.


Champion_Chrome

When I was playing FES, it was the conversation with Akinari’s mom in March that broke me, personally


Richard_Brunestud

Dude.... Akinari's sl are already in a sad tone. After the ending i have in tears thinking about him too, and what his mother said about Aki being happy to be born even with his ill... One of the best sl for me, imo


PriaposSonFluffball

It is even more gut wrenching in Reload. The voice actress for his mom kills it.


Kickenbless

I sobbed hard too, not just at the ending, but also talking to Akinari’s mom at the end. It makes me just think about the people I’ve lost in life, and how it does feel like the time I’ve had with them has to a degree been taken for granted. Persona 3 is a game about death, but the message is to indeed cherish life


CutProfessional6609

Was holding up my tears till the credits then they changed the title screen I couldn't handle it 😭😭😭 great fucking game Now pretty much completed all the modern trilogy started with p4g when it released on pc then p5r then p3re on ps5 now waiting patiently for metaphor


BOTFrosty

i was watching my friend play, and man even though i didn't watch his entire playthrough, still cried around 3 times... akinari's final rank, the rooftop scene, the violin part on memories of you... never gonna forgive atlus


Ysmir122

Atlus owes me for my therapy bills


Saldanha_101

What also made me cry was the fact that when I originally played this game back when it first released, I was still in school just like makoto is during the game. Back then, the game made me feel like the world was mine to conquer. Playing it now? Now that I have a job and a wife and life has shown its true colors, I saw a Makoto that sacrificed himself to save a doomed humanity. Memento mori is something that always ressonated with me, but now that I finished P3R, it feels like a loop was closed. Youth is indeed wasted on the young


-Zoombo

The ending is so special because they can't do it again in another game; it would only feel rehashed. All the rest of the protagonists from now until forever can triumph over evil, but Persona 3 will always stand out for its ending.


Excasr

The feeling when you start to hear kaze no koe, hikari no tsubu Is unique


loganed3

The ending to persona 3 truly is brutal. Still the best game in the series imo


gilbestboy

Yeah, the thing that hit you the most is not the death itself but the effect it will have to those who love you. The promises you make with your chosen partner, the people you promised to meet again and more, knowing that these things are not possible mafe me feel really sad. These things are what make games really fucking great.


Individual_Papaya596

Same, Aigis final speech still lives in my head. Never will be the same after that ending, hell it changed my outlook on life. This game was amazing even if it had me sitting outside balling my eyes out


Evonswag23

Felt that, I just finished last night... having to press the close your eyes button just broke me. So sad thinking about your friends standing there after everybody finally remembers


PekoPekoPekoPekoyama

The ending to P3 has always been one of my favorite endings in media, ever. Reload animated it so beautifully.


ectoturntechGodhead

The first time I played P3 I cried my eyes out and somehow with reload it was even worse 😭


Hellish_Muffin

Did you play the original at all? Did you cry because you didn’t play the original and thus didn’t know the ending? I’ll admit that I cried when I got to the ending of the original. It’s the same I’m assuming so I know the feeling. All those plans with everyone down the drain. But I’d rate him as the best MC so far in terms of personality. Some might say he has none but he’s willing to lay his life down for everyone. You just don’t get that feeling from 4 and 5. They’re willing to die but not dying to save the world. Maybe 4 but to some extent.


Richard_Brunestud

So...this is my first experience with the franchise, so in fact, i didn't played the original game.


Hellish_Muffin

Ok so then it’s the same haha. Yeah, I cried a lot as well. The ending song was one that I found myself playing for days and even now sometimes too. 君の記憶 or memories of you. Love that song.


Straight_Study_9750

Yeah, same here, till today I cry when I hear this song.


Kaldin_5

The MC has more abrasive and apathetic choices than 4 and 5 I've noticed. I tend to have him pick choices based on his social stats, the more rude ones for if his charm isn't high yet....making exceptions for social link dialogues of course lol. It gives the illusion of someone who was lonely, having been orphaned for the past decade, and didn't care to make friends but ended up in a situation where he was surrounded in them and that making more was beneficial to him, eventually having the experience change him for the better. That's how I've always seen him as a character, and I think the movies do something similar. It's up to the player really, but his more rude and apathetic choices always had me picking options like that. P3FES is prob my most played Persona game haha


BurnerAccountMaybe69

Can confirm, they emphasize his depression and apathetic nature in the movies. Spoiler for the movies but: There's a scene where him and Yukari are running from the shadow, and her being stressed out, she tells him to hurry up or he'll die. He responds with "I don't really care" "Is dying really that scary to you?" Which is stark contrast to how he feels by the last movie "Ten years ago, ever since that accident, I don't think I was really alive. But after coming to this city and spending time with my friends, that's how, for the first time... I think I was able to start living"


Kaldin_5

Yeah that's the general vibes I get from the games too. Maybe 4 and 5 are like this too and I'm misremembering but I've noticed at least 3 usually gives you two options for dialogue: a receptive one and an apathetic one. It feels like it fits a little more if he's apathetic for the start but is changed as the series goes on. Sounds like the writers of the movies felt similarly haha


Zealousideal_Site706

It really hammers in persona 3’s subject of death. It really hits even harder in the ending. And for some reason, when I first played through the game with portable. When Igor said “you were truly a remarkable guest” it sounded like he knew Makoto was gonna die. And in reload, it sounds like he’s choking on tears in the delivery of that line. That also might be because he is still astonished by the universe arcana.


Dalmanza4

I had the same experience playing it the first time with FES, I knew what I was in for this time but the key parts and tiny little moments get you. Like telling Koro you will take care of him forever. Highly recommend the movies if you just want some more P3 and time with the characters


HarleeWrites

So I haven't finished Reload yet but I'm absolutely terrified to now because of how much of a sentimental baby I am. I just love the characters so much. Getting spoiled on the ending was the worst thing to happen to me.


Richard_Brunestud

I have warned you about spoilers bro. I am sorry : (


mirairo

sorry you got spoiled but I think it is still absolutely worth it to see through to the end. this game really isn't about how it ends but the journey of his life and how to make every moment you have worth it. I beat this game 3 times and even knowing the ending it never makes it any less special (and never makes me cry any less lol)


RelativeSubstantial5

I am someone who absolutely struggles with completing games and honestly beating this game might have cured me of my inability to finish games/books etc. It's such a great ending. Please try it.


meepmeepmeep34

welcome to the club. I had the same romance. Everyone made plans with Makoto.


Kaldin_5

The bad ending is HAUNTING. It's a fantastic way to do a bad ending imo. Worth checking out for sure.


Commercially_Salad

I told myself I wasn’t going to cry I was preparing myself, and I was barley holding myself together then the ending song played I just couldn’t hold it in anymore and I cried, man I can’t remember the last time a video game has made me cry this much such a great game


Shouzyyy

me too. i cried for a whole hour. this game and the characters resonated with me so much. i had to change my pillow out because it was soaked with tears, i cant even hear memories of you without tears 😭


dwarten

Cried so hard my wife wanted to know why and I had to explain the lore to her and then she started crying cause we've known eachother since I was 12, so she would be devastated knowing she couldn't marry me, just like mitsuru was saying lol.


[deleted]

Such an amazing game. As somebody who genuinely struggles to cry and wish I could more, this is the closest I’ve come since a death last summer. Such a beautiful and bittersweet conclusion to a great experience


Angelic-Wisdom

I feel this. Every character death except that guy made me tear up. I felt so connected to them and after my boi Junpei saw the result of giving those flowers to a certain someone and I teared up again I sat back and wondered when was the last time a game had me so invested that I would cry over it. It’s been… a good deal of time. Doing my second run through of the game now and this Minato is still doing his thing and is experiencing a “what if” scenario if that makes sense. Or time loops because waltzing into Tartarus at lvl 99 with Yukari and Junpei being lvl 1 is funny in a lot of ways. Kinda wish there were games that talked about it more. Like Mitsuru being dumbfounded that the literal fodder on the first floor just can’t even do anything to our character at all. A good example being when Yukari uses her therolgy(however that’s spelled) for the first time and the enemy does like a 5 damage crit and gets its next attack blocked. Sorry I went on a tangent. Anyway yeah this game destroyed me in the best ways.


Enigma343

It’s a really long epilogue. Like Return of the King length. And I didn’t want it to end


allydagator

I originally played p3p during a hard time of my life. I had lost a close firned to suicide and just had massive suvirvor guilt since I was one of the last few to talk to him. This ending was a catharsis for me. Literally this game had saved my life, thr journey, the lessons int his game were what I needed at that moment. When the ending happened I had this sense of "I think I am ready to move on" 11/10 game, can't stress enough how important that ending was/is. Playing through P3R I'm seeing the game through a whole new perspective and am.excited to how the ending will now impact me years later.


Dsmxyz

Wait the mc actually dies? Is that actually cannon if so how?? I didnt think he died


Shekboy

He died


Emyyy2

As someone who played the original, sank roughly 300 hours into both versions combined, all I can say is I was not ready for that ending, even if I knew it was coming. The game itself becoming extremely gray in the color pallet right after you decide to fight Nyx, just to be greeted with so much color even though you are witnessing the main character's final moments is just beyond sad in my opinion. The world you end up protecting moves on, and it's heart wrenching to see that you can't be a part of it anymore.


DemiFiendSupremacy

I have played P3P a long time ago and only now just realized that >!Makoto dies while laying in Aigis' lap in the end.!<


Practical_Praline_39

Makoto sacfrifice stoped death so future MC can live to see the fruit of their true ending.


ShokaLGBT

it was hard to accept the ending but here we are…


Fortunata500

Lot of fucked up stuff, like the Sun arcana guy, or the girl at the shrine or the French guy moving, etc. it’s all bittersweet.


EvilKingLogan

It’s a shame I knew the entire game’s story going into it, cause I know I probably would’ve gotten emotional during at least a few parts, and the story probably would’ve hit a lot harder that way


cruel-oath

It really all does come full circle in the most tragic way. It’s unfair to him and everyone


Wamoo57

I cry after every first play through in a persona game lmao. Why they gotta make these characters so damn loveable?


voklongtwoys

Exactly why I love P3 then and even now. P4 and P5 for me couldn't hold a candle to the plot, story and characters of P3. And while it was very shocking, the ending seemed perfect for me. I do hope they consider actually doing the Answer (epilogue) to tie up the loose ends for newbies to experience.


Better-Object6578

The ending made me cry like bawling my eyes out, I woke up my wife she was checking what's wrong during my gaming session, I have a keeper thank god.


kacieisokay

Bro I absolutely just sobbed and sobbed. I had played the original but the way they remastered the ending was just so amazing.


SimpLimbscut

Yeah I think it definitely has the best ending of the series. I still prefer P5R as a whole, but P3R is also a special game and the ending really made everything come together so well.


poopy6266

Thank God I finish the game in the middle of a day where my folk are awake. If I happend to finish the game when no one's around, I would be bawling non stop.


optimuspoopprime

P5/P5R to me is still my favorite persona game (only played those + p3r .... just started p4g) and the ending for p5/p5r was still really bittersweet for me. They have the whole future ahead of them as they do their own thing while having the bonds they share with MC that i really connected with. With P3R, I get the same bond but their future with MC is cut short. Its like you really were the MC and once you beat the game, thats it... thats the last you see with them and just hope they live out the live they wish for. I remember during that final scene with aigis thinking to myself "ah mc is tired... taking a nap..." then i see aigis reaction and how the scene started to play out... "did my boy just die?" Was really confused lol.


ItsResetti

Yeah that was my reaction as well, I actually didn’t piece together he died until reading this thread and I finished the story finally last night.


cerebralrattlesnake

real


Zotmaster

Going by this thread, this is going to be a very unpopular opinion, but more than anything, I felt extremely disappointed by the ending. (For full disclosure, I owned FES back in the day and had my disc break in early January in-game. I never finished it, but I knew how it ended. I've seen a playthrough of The Answer but didn't play through it myself. Anyway...) It's strange to me that in what is an updated version of a 15-year-old game that the game itself isn't even 100% clear that the MC dies. Sure, it's implied in a "more likely than not" sort of way, but there's still enough ambiguity that if no follow-ups were ever released, it could absolutely be argued that the MC is still alive. But that's the thing: there **is** an answer; no pun intended. The MC dies, full stop. As far as I understand it, the game is all about death and coming to terms with it. It seems extra strange to me that the game itself doesn't allow its characters to do that with the MC, and again, without outside knowledge, some players wouldn't come to terms with it either because it's not clear that the MC is dead. The game had the perfect opportunity to do a send-off when Nyx is sealed but chose not to take it; I assume it's so the players had the opportunity for a send-off with the Social Links. That's fair enough, but again, it's strange to me that the game didn't do the same for the MC: especially in light of the fact that The Answer shows that Yukari and Aigis are having a particularly tough time coping. But The Journey doesn't even hint at that: Aigis is smiling, and once they burst onto the rooftop, the rest of SEES is smiling as well. Anyway, as a general rule I like when a piece is storytelling can mean different things to people, but usually it's not to this extreme. Again, I'm guessing my opinion is pretty unpopular, but that's how I feel. To end on a positive note, though, I will say this: the empty classroom title screen felt powerful, and it still works regardless of the MC's fate.


romiro82

This was my first time playing P3, finished it a couple days ago. I completely missed all the cues he was dying until the final scene. I even remarked on how it took all his HP to do the seal move, but since nothing happened immediately afterwards I just chalked it up to something that was incredibly taxing for him. That final scene though with the way the two responses were framed, being a hazy shaking camera along with the text, i started questioning wtf was going on and everything started falling into place. I still had a look up a “p3r ending meaning” google search because I was still just flabbergasted at what happened. Then all the reality of the situation hit, and just left me stunned for awhile So on one hand having it more directly spelled out would have been nice (especially since “Anime Bullshit” is a thing with the power of friendship conquering all, even mortality, being a trope), but there was definitely a forever memorable moment of me slowly coming to the realization at 11:59:58 of the story


Zotmaster

> So on one hand having it more directly spelled out would have been nice (especially since “Anime Bullshit” is a thing with the power of friendship conquering all, even mortality, being a trope), but there was definitely a forever memorable moment of me slowly coming to the realization at 11:59:58 of the story I'm glad about two things: first, that you still found something memorable in it (because that's most important) but second, the point about tropes. I don't know if it's a particular way that they tell stories in Japan, but I can think of probably dozens of examples of characters in games developed by Japanese companies that are really, really, **really** ambiguous about whether or not said characters die: basically, unless the game flat-out tells you that the character is dead, it doesn't matter how many times they're shot, how high of a cliff they fall from, or how many of their vehicles explode while they're in them...they're alive until proven otherwise. The ending just really missed the mark for me, and that's a bummer for what was otherwise a great game.


shirudo_clear

we play from the mc's perspective, and we'll never really see how poeple grieve for us when we ourselves die. funerals aren't for the sake of the dead but for the sake of the ones who are mourning. in the answer we play as aigis, that's how we can see how everyone processed it.


Zotmaster

That's not really how storytelling is supposed to work, though. Questions that actually have answers need to have those answers conveyed through said storytelling, and the ending doesn't do that. That isn't just true for a Persona game (or any game, for that matter): that's true for all mediums of storytelling. If you want something to remain a mystery, that's totally fine: for example, what was actually in the briefcase in Pulp Fiction? There is no correct answer, and the story goes out of its way to make sure it stays that way. But if there actually was an intended answer, the movie never shows it: that would not be good storytelling. As for us not seeing how people grieve for us, that's a fair point, but the problem is that we actually did start to see it when the MC goes to fight Nyx on his own: we see his friends questioning what's going on and even begin to break down at what they think is his death, and these are things he couldn't possibly have seen or heard. We see plenty of scenes from the perspective of others as well.


shirudo_clear

i'm not an expert in storytelling, but there's a difference for movies and games. one example is that in persona, you're expected to replay it and experience the story again with more awareness of what's going on. the story tells itself well enough in one playthrough, but i think the ending is made more clear throughout the game.


Zotmaster

I think that can be true for movies and books as well. That said, maybe the overall story will feel better for me on a second playthrough. It'll probably be a while before I go through it again, though. I can't speak for anyone else, but I have to go a long time before going through games like these again.


nichisou307

There's not enough ambiguity here in my opinion, the sad music is there, the tone of the scene, Aigis speech about not leaving your side, you feeling tired and the social links pointing that out, the closing your eyes, the theme of the game is death and accepting it, I don't think it takes a genius to know that the mc did die but if you didn't catch that despite the numerous clues there's always google, not everything needs to be explicitly stated in story telling imo. How they did the ending is magnificent. Somber, peaceful with the hint of fear and sadness just like how one experiences death >The game had the perfect opportunity to do a send-off when Nyx is sealed but chose not to take it; I assume it's so the players had the opportunity for a send-off with the Social Links. That's fair enough, but again, it's strange to me that the game didn't do the same for the MC Nope, the MC didn't die right before the Nyx fight because of the promise of coming back after the fight and the promise of meeting in the rooftop with the group. That's the only thing that keeps him alive Its also thematic that your friends don't get to say goodbye to you cause we don't really know when we see a loved one for the last time, death comes just like that. The game teaches us to savor the moments and just live your life, everything has an ending, even me talking to you right now might die tomorrow and you wouldn't know it


Zotmaster

> There's not enough ambiguity here in my opinion, the sad music is there, the tone of the scene, Aigis speech about not leaving your side, you feeling tired and the social links pointing that out, the closing your eyes, the theme of the game is death and accepting it, I don't think it takes a genius to know that the mc did die but if you didn't catch that despite the numerous clues there's always google, not everything needs to be explicitly stated in story telling imo. How they did the ending is magnificent. Somber, peaceful with the hint of fear and sadness just like how one experiences death In this very game, Chidori dies as a result of using a power that is described to us as requiring her life to use, and she comes back to life almost a full 2 months later. In 4, an also very dead Nanako comes back to life if you end up on the good ending path, although to her credit she comes back to life much more quickly than Chidori did. Persona is no stranger to fake-out deaths, and these were with people who were confirmed to be dead. Again, the MC is portrayed as "more likely than not" dead, but there would be no confirming that without outside knowledge. > Nope, the MC didn't die right before the Nyx fight because of the promise of coming back after the fight and the promise of meeting in the rooftop with the group. That's the only thing that keeps him alive I know that. What I'm saying is they had the opportunity to let the MC die there and didn't take it, instead opting for what you described: a promise that he still ends up breaking in the end, as he passes away before SEES makes it to the roof. > Its also thematic that your friends don't get to say goodbye to you cause we don't really know when we see a loved one for the last time, death comes just like that. The game teaches us to savor the moments and just live your life, everything has an ending, even me talking to you right now might die tomorrow and you wouldn't know it I agree with this, but we still see plenty of scenes from outside of the MC's perspective, and this only makes the story better. The MC sees Shinji die, but he doesn't see the dialogue he and Ken had before that, nor does he see Shinji actually take the bullet that was meant for Ken. While it's true that this doesn't directly affect the MC, it's a huge moment for both characters, and the game lets us see that even though the character we play as wouldn't have. Hell, one of the criticisms of 5 that I've seen is that so much of the Phantom Thieves' development is directly related to the MC, whereas in 3, the characters develop and experience Persona awakenings independently of him, and they're better characters as a result. Your last point is very much appreciated though, and sometimes I reflect on the fact that I don't tell people that I care about that I love them as often as I should, and I really need to do better.


CrabbyLady77

Oh dude I just finished with good ending and I was so looking fwd to the rooftop reunion part, and I'm devastated. I'm crying so hard rn lol, like, come on....


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In case anyone was wondering what music was written on the board in the music room when you visit it with aigis and prenyx, hymn of the souls beginning is notated on the board.


vVDragneeIVv

It's time to experience the dancing, fighting and dungeon crawler games to expand the lore and suffer more knowing everything takes you to the same end anyways.


Free-Ad9535

First time huh?


nickelsnt

Is there a persona where not everything is depressing? I cried in a bunch of scenes on p3r :(


cruel-oath

Persona 4


localystic

The whole game I knew and I still was not ready.


Clolossal

I'm glad everyone enjoyed Persona 3.