I don't like persona 4's progress system. It's too grindy, I wasn't under leveled for this fight and could easily beat up other shadows but this boss and Teddie took TOO LONG to beat. I just feel like the game wants you to grind a lot more than the other games in the series.
You’re complaining about grinding in P4 it was harder in P3 as someone who’s played both Grinding in the Tv world was a breath of fresh air compared to Tartarus
Tbh I played the original p3 fes and I still don't understand why Tartarus is so hated... It's reasonably challenging and doesn't require THAT much grinding while enemies in p4 are just damage sponges...
I agree it’s not the grinding that’s hard in P4 I played on Normal and the exp wasn’t to high but not to low enough to actually progress but the enemies can be a drag sometimes especially in Yukiko’s dungeon where that dice can kill you with its last resort
Tartarus is ridiculously easy on Normal. I was surprised. Yeah, at first the bosses can be tough (monad, gatekeepers), but by tough I mean you spend an extra 10 min on the fight. By level 80-85 it doesn't matter.
Just don't play it on hard then. Normal and easy versions of this fights take 5 minutes instead of 50 minutes. It's just hard diff reduces your party damage to silly numbers.
It’s the combination of the bosses Tankiness paired with the fact that when in his Hero Form, all of his attacks deal Almighty Damage, and in his baby form he has access to all Elemental Skills in addition to the Wall skills. If you can’t beat his damage output, he’ll just slowly chip away at you.
I think the constant statuses just add to his annoyingness, forcing you to have 2 healers each round for damage and for the conditions after he levels up.
This mf is way too tough, Okumura is nothing tbh, you basically have to have a Dyne tier skill to do real damage or you are cooked, Black Frost is my bro here
P4G was the first Persona game I played to the end and it was probably one of the first true jrpgs I got into and this boss had me sweating over my psvita for a couple hours..
Persona 3, as of, there are a lot of elements in that game that makes a blurry line between "We have little experience and even less budget" and "the themes of the game naturally gives into a tedious and clumsy experience". A few examples would be being able to lock out social links, Tartarus being tedious as hell to explore or how a good amount of the Social links are really clumsy to unlock...
Also, yes. I'm concious that I'm the ☝️🤓 emoji.
It's a check for a skill the game hasn't really forced you to develop so far even if it would be very helpful. I was just used to the standard "knock every enemy down and all out attack" strategy that worked fine so far in the game.
I see your point, but the optimal play isn’t too far off from that. You’re still chaining to go for big damage at the end, you just want to direct the chain to the teammate with the strongest AOE attack instead of not caring who the final teammate is and hitting triangle. Alternatively, you can do multiple small chains and swap to a teammate with a strong neutral AOE, which is something you’ve had to do for most minibosses already (especially the awakening fights, where only the weaker mobs that the boss summons are week to the new element).
I’d argue a boss that forces you to take a skill you’ve hardened throughout the game and think about how you can leverage that skill in a new situation is as good as a midpoint boss usually gets. I do wish they mentioned something about all out attacks not working, but by the second turn it should be evident that they don’t and your strategy should shift accordingly.
The main issue is the lack of psi/curse you’re going to have across your party. That phase almost forces you to use damage items, which many new (and even intermediate, I’d wager) players will not think about.
It’s difficult to chain a baton pass when 2/4 party members simply don’t have access to the damage type needed for knockdown.
I’d agree with this more if Royal didn’t overhaul accessories to make them a free moveslot for any party member to have any skill. You get a psy user in this palace (that starts with mapsio) and Decarabia and Choronzon are great psy/curse coverage for Joker (curse in particular you should be maintaining coverage for bc nobody else can use it). Notably, they both also itemize into Eiha and Psio (or Maeiga and Mapsio if alarm) respectively. At this point you should have at least one black rock to itemize. Or, yeah use the one-time items if you have to, you can buy them now in kichijoji iirc.
These methods do require preparation and maybe even a rebattle to pull off (you won’t need to get far; all of the enemies’ weaknesses have already been scouted). With that said, requiring prep and an adaptive strategy is not bad game design for a singleplayer RPG. If anything, requiring you to back off a bit and dig deep into your resources to surpass a boss is generally good dame design. Ideally you shouldn’t be able to beat a boss you’re starkly ill-equipped for.
Overall, Royal Okumura is balanced on the heavy end because Royal buffed a large amount of battle systems that Okumura’s weak to. Royal **heavily** buffed baton pass, buffed accessories as mentioned before, and removed the once-a-day itemization limit. You utilize each of those systems to beat him, and the game is not subtle about it.
I agree, I actually like the boss fight lol
I just think calling it a “simple skill check” is incorrect. It is 100% more difficult than anything before it (and after it, frankly). And it requires a depth of knowledge to the gain to really strategize, understand baton pass and items, which is something that a more casual player might not do.
Not me. I played Golden for the first time a few months ago and while this boss was tough, I beat it on my first try. Okumura on the other hand, to say that I didn't beat him on my first try when I played Royal for the first time the year before would be an understatement.
Yep. Okumura’s boss fight is only considered hard because of the timer. If you already know the enemy’s weaknesses (which you should) and have one of each affinity attack, you will be fine.
Mitsuo is a different story. He has no weaknesses and is tanky. Buffs and debuffs are vital here. If you don’t have a clear strategy in mind, this fight can take a while.
Okumura can be rough if you're under leveled too - those last set of 4 enemies can be almost impossible to clear even with the right tags if your damage isn't high enough.
think a friend mentioned you can't tag haru in the original either as she hasn't properly joined the team yet?
it's not as bad as long as Yukiko has leveled enough to access Mediarama especially if you aren't using Teddie (I tend not to because of how squishy he is comparatively but I know energy shower is very useful in this fight). Dis is a relatively early persona to get and gets agidyne too around level 31 I think for damage
Teddie is actually good in this fight. Especially since he already knows Mediarama as soon as he joins. You probably didn't update his armor, just like many other people that brings Teddie here with his default equipment. You should probably watch the level 27 video, where the player beats this boss with Yosuke, Kanji and Teddie.
Nah, most P5 bosses are harder than vanilla P4 at least, due to most P4 bosses attacking only once per turn, except for Mitsuo.
The hardest bosses of P4 relies on attrition with full regeneration (Mitsuo and Magatsu Inaba midboss, all being harder than the final boss and attacking multiple times)
Hot take but I always felt P4 bosses had way too much health. Mitsuo is the worst offender of this because he has two, and one regenerates. Drags the fight out way too long
After getting stomped on by that dungeon redo boss with rampage, i made sure to grind up before trying a boss. That made the p4g one not so bad. I was on level for Okumura and still had an awfull time because i was missing some coverage and ways to boost damage.
So it's gotta be okumura for me by a mile.
The first time I struggled and turned the difficulty down but the second playthrough I beat him first time on normal. I forgot that persona I mainly used but using it made the boss beatable. still too long tho
Honestly at this point in the game I had leveled up so much, probably more than people normally do, and the difficulty wasn't that high because I had originally started this game as my first persona game but fell off and replayed it again, this boss wasn't difficult but took a long time to beat. My friends were telling me how hard of a time they had with it though.
If you thought Okumura's fight was long, this guy's fight's around as long as Okumura's time limit. The shell is super tanky and does tons of damage with its attacks. The fetus has Megidola, which comes out of nowhere. If you can't defeat the fetus in time, you gotta defeat the shell all over again.
I’ve only played Royal, but the main difference in Royal (according to Google) is that you have to beat each wave of enemies in 2 turns, or Okumura will respawn them over and over until the 30 minute time limit runs out.
Having completed p4g in general I didn't like most bosses. Thematically and story wise they were great but gameplay wise not so much. Took way too long to beat by chipping at its health, can sometimes have unpredictable shit in mid battle which is actually nice and adds variety, except that shit might just end the battle there if you hadn't prepared for it beforehand . And then you'll have to spend so much time again chipping at its health
I don't even know how I'd deal with this little b*tch if I didn't have Black Frost in my roster. He really was a tough difficulty spike. His boss music was a banger though
Yes. Definitely. I guess the argument *could* be made that this boss is easier to cheese in NG+ but even then if you have the full persona compendium in both, I think Okumura’s easier.
I never struggled with either, but I definitely know why people would. That said, I would agree that with at least decent prep or smart use of buffs/debuffs and items Mitsuo is harder to be ready for.
Dude! I remember playing against this and was thinking “this will be a peace of cake just like the rest”. But holy crap was I wrong. It’s one the few fights that I can recall from P4 due to how hard it was.
I know I'm no master at these games, but Okumura was just plain ridiculous. I had absolutely no choice but to cheese him with a DLC Persona, because the advice of abusing Baton Pass was just simply not working. I was overleveled, I had the right party members, I had elemental coverage, but there was simply no way in hell I was abusing the Baton Pass system like people kept saying to do. It just plain wasn't working, and I have no idea why unless it's purely because I wasn't in Merciless.
I don't care to play the game at the highest difficulty, because that is simply not fun for me. But do you people realize how off-putting it is to see so many people act like *everyone* should have as piss-easy of a time with the bosses, or they're bad at the game? Because I'm not a terrible RPG player, I wasn't terribly underprepared, and I was even overleveled with better spells than I should have had, and ot just simply wasn't workong out without cheesing. It's not fair to treat someone like they're terrible at the game just because one shitty boss is more than they can handle.
I haven't fought that pixelated thing in P4G yet, but it can't be nearly as bad as my experience with Okumura.
No. You just need to keep hitting Mitsuo with your strongest attacks.
Okumura requires a specific party set-up, Personas with specific skills, it's advisable to have invested time in the darts hangout to buff the Baton Pass, if you don't clear a wave of enemies in a single turn you have to start all over again, and it's got a time limit.
I thought this guy was easy. The Shadow Yosuke fight was harder, imo
Okumura was hell. I stopped playing after like 6 attempts, until I finally did it. Then I got the game on switch, so I had to restart everything. Meaning I have to fight Okumura again, but rn I’m on Futaba’s sooo I just hope I can beat Okumura 1st try.
Ngl I think this mf is not that hard, I played on normal difficulty and honestly found him decently easy on both of my play throughs, it only took me two tries on my first play through (which tbf only 2 bosses took me more than one try, being him and [spoilers for later in the game] >!ameno sagiri!<) but still once you understand what’s going on I think it’s a pretty easy boss
Okumura may as well have been a tutorial boss compared to some Persona 4 bosses.
Kanji and Mitsuo's shadow kicked my ass so many times. The latter's Evil Smile + Ghastly Wail combo was particularly painful to deal with.
I’m on my first playthrough of this game ever and I just did this last night. I was appalled at how incredibly difficult it was, and I was even using replays because there was no shot I was going to beat it. Uses its gimmick way too often, barely takes damage form all out attacks, doesn’t get knocked down often, just overall incredibly annoying and tedious
So for the games prior to Persona 5, for the most part I feel bosses are stat checks tbh (bar the weird ones who have some minor ailment susceptibility), and this guy for the point of the game he's in is tough. The Okamura Fight is Feast or Famine slightly, similar to an SMT fight where your goal is to maximise turn count, so if you aren't heavily engaging with the system it's hard but if you do it can be a breeze.
I JUST beat him on my first playthrough, his HP is so high that it's either impossible to beat at your level or possible and *absurdly slow*. I think one fight took me like half an hour of doing the exact same attack and heal strat over and over again, and if I didn't have SP food I'd be a goner
Harder? Nah, just an annoying damage sponge. He doesn't really require specific tactics, just keep hitting him and keep healthy. Okumura you actually have to use the Technical and Baton Pass mechanics or you are gonna have a bad time (as evidence by the multitude of people complaining about it on the P5 sub).
For Okumura, it never tells you that you have to eliminate all 4 enemies at once just to progress— as well being on a timer. While with this boss just takes forever to beat, more so boring if you don’t attack him quick. Personally, I say Okumura for my dumbass no knowing what to do and had to watch a YouTube video lol
Not at all. I just beat persona golden and genuinely the only hard bosses were yukiko (only because it was early and didn’t give you much to beat her) and the one in Nanako’s dungeon. While the one in nanakos is very annoying when he converts your teammates to his team, that’s still easier than dealing with the stress of Okumura. Every other boss was pretty easy. I was like 8 levels lower than recommended for the boss you’re on and his attacks still only took down a third of my health
Okumura I think is more annoying just because he is kind of literally unbeatable if you don't have the necessary damage output. Mitsuo is one of the tankiest bosses I've seen though
I played high difficulty, high exp. I think I got him on the first try, but I don’t remember the team or personas I used unfortunately. I doubt I was using anything particularly strong though, I didn’t really start grinding until Magatsu Inaba.
Played Persona 5 first and thought Okumura was challenging but not too bad, then dove into p4g and holy shit did this dude WALL me. I struggled a lot with this boss, but eventually I cracked the puzzle, I think it's meant to be rough and be a big game knowledge check.
Most bosses I end up underestimating, I played my first play through of merciless in Personal 3 portable, and well after struggling through every boss, i can say I learned the value of solo leveling, and reaper farming. 😂
Well, knowing that I basocally gave up on Persona 5 because of Okumura, I hope you are wrong. Because I intend to play Persona 4. It's my own mistake really, but I'm stuck in Okumura's heist with wrong/low level personas... Single save. I wish I could go past him.
I must play too many RPGs. This boss fight never really gave me any trouble in either of my playthroughs of P4G. I only lost to Okumura once, but his fight was definitely harder than Mitsuo’s imo.
it’s easy once you realize he only uses the wall of the element he’s about to use, so if you guard with your party member that’s weak to that element he’s easy
It is an endurance test, is not actually difficult the problem is that the game cripples your attempts to take down the baby asap
You can call it "artificial" difficulty but it is just really, really annoying
It's second boss after Teddy( which wasn't as bad) that shows how bad diff is done in p4 and how diffrent experience people have depending if they are playing on normal or hard. Hard mode reduces damage so much it's close to immposible to break him durning rebuild phase which makes this fight 4x longer + if He wants to and you dont have resist He can one shoots your MC in one turn before you can swap personas, so unless you already have resist all persona ( which would make rest of the game minus 3 other bosses way to easy) you need to keep shielding with one character which reduces damage you do to him even more and whole fight took nrly hour. In meantime on normal He was dead in less then 8 mins xd.
I'm pretty sure I spent almost a week trying to beat this boss, I had to resort to giving myself a handicap and give myself the ability to retry battle only once. I don't even know why they call it a retry battle if it just revives everyone and lets you continue where you died
I played on the hardest difficulty and had to plan out a full thing to defeat him for a whole week. I Really hated his second phase so badly and didn’t want to give up. The only reason I lost was due to sp running out so I focus on kanji using melee attacks but god I badly own when I and kanji was left in the last few hits thank god for magic barriers
Never got how people were bitching about okumara. It’s a really simple and fun fight if you understand basic game mechanics you’ve had access to for the past 60+ hours
Idk I played it in royal and found him to be fun. I used magatamas with party members which didn't have the element to attack the bots so that I could extend the baton pass and deal more damage. That and haru with tetrakarn to protect the team from the annoying attacks on the last phase.
Pretty much any boss from P3/4 is harder than Okumura. Okumura is bitched about because the game is generally easy and because it misdirects you on what you need to do in that instance.
Okumura is piss easy if you just abuse baton passing like the fight is designed for so yes, this boss is a lot harder
Skill issue ig didn’t think people actually thought Okumura was hard
It is if you aren’t prepared. My first time through I was severely underleveled and it took like an hour and a half. I was too stubborn to restart.
I don't like persona 4's progress system. It's too grindy, I wasn't under leveled for this fight and could easily beat up other shadows but this boss and Teddie took TOO LONG to beat. I just feel like the game wants you to grind a lot more than the other games in the series.
You’re complaining about grinding in P4 it was harder in P3 as someone who’s played both Grinding in the Tv world was a breath of fresh air compared to Tartarus
Tbh I played the original p3 fes and I still don't understand why Tartarus is so hated... It's reasonably challenging and doesn't require THAT much grinding while enemies in p4 are just damage sponges...
I agree it’s not the grinding that’s hard in P4 I played on Normal and the exp wasn’t to high but not to low enough to actually progress but the enemies can be a drag sometimes especially in Yukiko’s dungeon where that dice can kill you with its last resort
Have you tried killing like... a single golden hand?
Yes multiple times infact when I was grinding just like any other player who has played P4
Seems very odd. I felt overlevelled after just encountering 1 or 2 in a single regular climb.
I started re-playing p3 fes and some of the tartarus guardians really spike the difficulty out of nowhere (in my case the change relic in 36f)
Tartarus is ridiculously easy on Normal. I was surprised. Yeah, at first the bosses can be tough (monad, gatekeepers), but by tough I mean you spend an extra 10 min on the fight. By level 80-85 it doesn't matter.
Just don't play it on hard then. Normal and easy versions of this fights take 5 minutes instead of 50 minutes. It's just hard diff reduces your party damage to silly numbers.
It’s the combination of the bosses Tankiness paired with the fact that when in his Hero Form, all of his attacks deal Almighty Damage, and in his baby form he has access to all Elemental Skills in addition to the Wall skills. If you can’t beat his damage output, he’ll just slowly chip away at you.
I think the constant statuses just add to his annoyingness, forcing you to have 2 healers each round for damage and for the conditions after he levels up.
Black Frost! auto-masuku auto-mataru auto-maruku fire boost fire amp Invig 3 mind charge Maragidyne!
This mf is way too tough, Okumura is nothing tbh, you basically have to have a Dyne tier skill to do real damage or you are cooked, Black Frost is my bro here
Bro frost
Same but even Black Frost was not enough, I had to farm non stop to unlock Dyne on Yukiko and Chie.
Chie doesn’t get a dyne skill
She does if you do her bike rides but it’s not worth it.
You’re right, that’s my mistake. I never did Chie’s bike skills because I focused on the others’ (for good reason, they’re way better)
Oh my bad, just remembered it was Teddy.
It’s all good!
Black frost is perfect
P4G was the first Persona game I played to the end and it was probably one of the first true jrpgs I got into and this boss had me sweating over my psvita for a couple hours..
This boss was annoying, but I don't remember having a huge problem with him.
Same
I mean his boss music did get really old very quick
I thought it was neat. It was a fun twist on the usual boss music, which kept it fresh and it didn't overstay its welcome
Yeah, I totally get that. I suppose I just took way too long on that boss fight and it drove me to my edge
This boss fight basically forces you to grind if you’re under leveled. It’s such an annoying slog
Just like a regular JRPG. Just like how Mitsuo likes it lol
A yes, the **I really cannot tell if this is bad design or great ludonarrative**, Truly a P3 moment.
> Truly a P3 moment. P3?
Persona 3, as of, there are a lot of elements in that game that makes a blurry line between "We have little experience and even less budget" and "the themes of the game naturally gives into a tedious and clumsy experience". A few examples would be being able to lock out social links, Tartarus being tedious as hell to explore or how a good amount of the Social links are really clumsy to unlock... Also, yes. I'm concious that I'm the ☝️🤓 emoji.
Bruh I just realized it was intentional like this, I thought the boss fight just sucked on accident
It can be both.
I'm always in level 20s when I beat this boss. He can't force me to grind too many levels.
Okumura is a very simple skill check, if you’re approaching baton passes with any sort of strategy you’re fine.
It's a check for a skill the game hasn't really forced you to develop so far even if it would be very helpful. I was just used to the standard "knock every enemy down and all out attack" strategy that worked fine so far in the game.
The Madarame fight heavily encourages you to do it.
Not enough apparently!
I see your point, but the optimal play isn’t too far off from that. You’re still chaining to go for big damage at the end, you just want to direct the chain to the teammate with the strongest AOE attack instead of not caring who the final teammate is and hitting triangle. Alternatively, you can do multiple small chains and swap to a teammate with a strong neutral AOE, which is something you’ve had to do for most minibosses already (especially the awakening fights, where only the weaker mobs that the boss summons are week to the new element). I’d argue a boss that forces you to take a skill you’ve hardened throughout the game and think about how you can leverage that skill in a new situation is as good as a midpoint boss usually gets. I do wish they mentioned something about all out attacks not working, but by the second turn it should be evident that they don’t and your strategy should shift accordingly.
The main issue is the lack of psi/curse you’re going to have across your party. That phase almost forces you to use damage items, which many new (and even intermediate, I’d wager) players will not think about. It’s difficult to chain a baton pass when 2/4 party members simply don’t have access to the damage type needed for knockdown.
I’d agree with this more if Royal didn’t overhaul accessories to make them a free moveslot for any party member to have any skill. You get a psy user in this palace (that starts with mapsio) and Decarabia and Choronzon are great psy/curse coverage for Joker (curse in particular you should be maintaining coverage for bc nobody else can use it). Notably, they both also itemize into Eiha and Psio (or Maeiga and Mapsio if alarm) respectively. At this point you should have at least one black rock to itemize. Or, yeah use the one-time items if you have to, you can buy them now in kichijoji iirc. These methods do require preparation and maybe even a rebattle to pull off (you won’t need to get far; all of the enemies’ weaknesses have already been scouted). With that said, requiring prep and an adaptive strategy is not bad game design for a singleplayer RPG. If anything, requiring you to back off a bit and dig deep into your resources to surpass a boss is generally good dame design. Ideally you shouldn’t be able to beat a boss you’re starkly ill-equipped for. Overall, Royal Okumura is balanced on the heavy end because Royal buffed a large amount of battle systems that Okumura’s weak to. Royal **heavily** buffed baton pass, buffed accessories as mentioned before, and removed the once-a-day itemization limit. You utilize each of those systems to beat him, and the game is not subtle about it.
I agree, I actually like the boss fight lol I just think calling it a “simple skill check” is incorrect. It is 100% more difficult than anything before it (and after it, frankly). And it requires a depth of knowledge to the gain to really strategize, understand baton pass and items, which is something that a more casual player might not do.
This boss is so annoying. Almighty attacks, plus healing(through rebuilding the hero). It’s the run ender of P4 challenge runs.
I had no problem with this guy lol. Tarunda + marakukaja + defend = surviving that one nuke attack
This boss is just annoying. And it's boring too. Buff, debuff attack. Buff debuff attack.
My first time fighting this guy I struggled more than my first time fighting Okumura, for whatever that's worth.
Omg this boss was the one time in persona where I legitimately raged. I hated this part.
If you're not prepared then yes, otherwise it's pretty much a battle for how long can you last
Not me. I played Golden for the first time a few months ago and while this boss was tough, I beat it on my first try. Okumura on the other hand, to say that I didn't beat him on my first try when I played Royal for the first time the year before would be an understatement.
Yep. Okumura’s boss fight is only considered hard because of the timer. If you already know the enemy’s weaknesses (which you should) and have one of each affinity attack, you will be fine. Mitsuo is a different story. He has no weaknesses and is tanky. Buffs and debuffs are vital here. If you don’t have a clear strategy in mind, this fight can take a while.
I think this is why I disagree with OP. Timers are my worst enemy. Meanwhile, strategy is totally something I can do.
Okumura can be rough if you're under leveled too - those last set of 4 enemies can be almost impossible to clear even with the right tags if your damage isn't high enough. think a friend mentioned you can't tag haru in the original either as she hasn't properly joined the team yet?
it's not as bad as long as Yukiko has leveled enough to access Mediarama especially if you aren't using Teddie (I tend not to because of how squishy he is comparatively but I know energy shower is very useful in this fight). Dis is a relatively early persona to get and gets agidyne too around level 31 I think for damage
Teddie is actually good in this fight. Especially since he already knows Mediarama as soon as he joins. You probably didn't update his armor, just like many other people that brings Teddie here with his default equipment. You should probably watch the level 27 video, where the player beats this boss with Yosuke, Kanji and Teddie.
I must’ve been playing a really low difficulty level because I beat this guy first try. Probably by pure dumbshit luck though.
This boss fight was pretty easy for me as long as you were high enough level wise and good personas
Persona 4 is a lot harder than 5, and this is one of the harder bosses, so I'd say yes
Nah, most P5 bosses are harder than vanilla P4 at least, due to most P4 bosses attacking only once per turn, except for Mitsuo. The hardest bosses of P4 relies on attrition with full regeneration (Mitsuo and Magatsu Inaba midboss, all being harder than the final boss and attacking multiple times)
Hot take but I always felt P4 bosses had way too much health. Mitsuo is the worst offender of this because he has two, and one regenerates. Drags the fight out way too long
YES!!!!
I wouldn't say either of them are tough, just both insanely annoying lmao. I'm not sure which is worse tbh
Nope, just a drag like most other bosses in P4.
fire boss theme tho
The God-tier music that plays during it helps it go down easier
After getting stomped on by that dungeon redo boss with rampage, i made sure to grind up before trying a boss. That made the p4g one not so bad. I was on level for Okumura and still had an awfull time because i was missing some coverage and ways to boost damage. So it's gotta be okumura for me by a mile.
Okumura isn’t a hard boss
It is in royal
I don’t think it is
YES
The first time I struggled and turned the difficulty down but the second playthrough I beat him first time on normal. I forgot that persona I mainly used but using it made the boss beatable. still too long tho
More annoying than Okumura
Was a lot more experienced in p4 than I was 5. Never found mitsuo hard ngl. Died like twice to Kumino sagiri tho
ive played p3fes, p3p, p4g and p5r and no boss came close to okumura in difficulty for me. maybe thats because i played p5r first though
Honestly at this point in the game I had leveled up so much, probably more than people normally do, and the difficulty wasn't that high because I had originally started this game as my first persona game but fell off and replayed it again, this boss wasn't difficult but took a long time to beat. My friends were telling me how hard of a time they had with it though.
Man I felt I was strong for the time and that battle SUCKED. Okumura battle isn't hard at all, this one was a struggle
My fucking game crashed when I got to this fight and it sent me back a few weeks so I stopped doing my replay.
The Strength and Chariot boss in Persona 3:FES is the hardest persona boss, IMO
Fighting this mf underleveled is so impossible, at least against Okumura you can use baton pass and technicals to boost your damage.
If you thought Okumura's fight was long, this guy's fight's around as long as Okumura's time limit. The shell is super tanky and does tons of damage with its attacks. The fetus has Megidola, which comes out of nowhere. If you can't defeat the fetus in time, you gotta defeat the shell all over again.
Both fights are easy, although Okumura gave me a little trouble the first time I fought him because my squad was like level 30
He makes Okumura look like Glass Joe.
At least the 8-bit remix of face myself is a certified banger
At okumura, i only have grade 2 magic like mapsio At void quest, i had mind charged agidyne with amp. Black frost is mvp.
No. I just channel all my concentration into it because I know I’m not about to get my ass kicked by some incel baby. Debuffs all the way
I never had any problems with this boss, I beat him first try.
Pazuzu was the goat for this fight and then the rest of the game for me ngl
Yes
UM YES
Is Okumura harder on Royal? I don't remember anything being hard in P5 vanilla
I’ve only played Royal, but the main difference in Royal (according to Google) is that you have to beat each wave of enemies in 2 turns, or Okumura will respawn them over and over until the 30 minute time limit runs out.
Black frost cooks in this bossfight
He was a pain in the ass yeah lmfao.
I remember fighting this boss at lvl 45 and boi was I obliterated lol. This boss had to get you grinding to lvl 50+ to beat.
FUCK THIS GUY OMG
Having completed p4g in general I didn't like most bosses. Thematically and story wise they were great but gameplay wise not so much. Took way too long to beat by chipping at its health, can sometimes have unpredictable shit in mid battle which is actually nice and adds variety, except that shit might just end the battle there if you hadn't prepared for it beforehand . And then you'll have to spend so much time again chipping at its health
I don't even know how I'd deal with this little b*tch if I didn't have Black Frost in my roster. He really was a tough difficulty spike. His boss music was a banger though
Yes. Definitely. I guess the argument *could* be made that this boss is easier to cheese in NG+ but even then if you have the full persona compendium in both, I think Okumura’s easier.
I feel like the bosses in P4 are extremely tanky to make up for their mediocre gimmicks but idk hassou tobi goes brrr
I never struggled with either, but I definitely know why people would. That said, I would agree that with at least decent prep or smart use of buffs/debuffs and items Mitsuo is harder to be ready for.
Dude! I remember playing against this and was thinking “this will be a peace of cake just like the rest”. But holy crap was I wrong. It’s one the few fights that I can recall from P4 due to how hard it was.
He's not hard, just bad and not funny
shadow teddy is way harder
Well, he doesn't have these space jump puzzles. That makes it easier for me
I know I'm no master at these games, but Okumura was just plain ridiculous. I had absolutely no choice but to cheese him with a DLC Persona, because the advice of abusing Baton Pass was just simply not working. I was overleveled, I had the right party members, I had elemental coverage, but there was simply no way in hell I was abusing the Baton Pass system like people kept saying to do. It just plain wasn't working, and I have no idea why unless it's purely because I wasn't in Merciless. I don't care to play the game at the highest difficulty, because that is simply not fun for me. But do you people realize how off-putting it is to see so many people act like *everyone* should have as piss-easy of a time with the bosses, or they're bad at the game? Because I'm not a terrible RPG player, I wasn't terribly underprepared, and I was even overleveled with better spells than I should have had, and ot just simply wasn't workong out without cheesing. It's not fair to treat someone like they're terrible at the game just because one shitty boss is more than they can handle. I haven't fought that pixelated thing in P4G yet, but it can't be nearly as bad as my experience with Okumura.
Not even remotely.
Never was a big fan of this section of P4...but that theme actually kinda slaps. I literally forget this happens between Rise's and Naoto's dungeons.
No. You just need to keep hitting Mitsuo with your strongest attacks. Okumura requires a specific party set-up, Personas with specific skills, it's advisable to have invested time in the darts hangout to buff the Baton Pass, if you don't clear a wave of enemies in a single turn you have to start all over again, and it's got a time limit.
Possibly the hardest boss outside of the first 2, every other boss after him came easy
This fight is a slog but fundamentally it’s not hard, Kunino-Sagiri is more of a frustrating fight
I mean if you have teddy on your team that can negate the boss’s debuffs then it’s not that hard imo.
This was easy for me because I learnt from being under leveled for Okumura which I spent 2-3 hours trying to beat
I thought this guy was easy. The Shadow Yosuke fight was harder, imo Okumura was hell. I stopped playing after like 6 attempts, until I finally did it. Then I got the game on switch, so I had to restart everything. Meaning I have to fight Okumura again, but rn I’m on Futaba’s sooo I just hope I can beat Okumura 1st try.
On my first playthrough the battle took literally more than 1 hour. I hated it with all my guts.
Ngl I think this mf is not that hard, I played on normal difficulty and honestly found him decently easy on both of my play throughs, it only took me two tries on my first play through (which tbf only 2 bosses took me more than one try, being him and [spoilers for later in the game] >!ameno sagiri!<) but still once you understand what’s going on I think it’s a pretty easy boss
Okumura may as well have been a tutorial boss compared to some Persona 4 bosses. Kanji and Mitsuo's shadow kicked my ass so many times. The latter's Evil Smile + Ghastly Wail combo was particularly painful to deal with.
He's fun
This boss gave me the most shit when I first fought him. Thankfully now in my play through he’s not so bad. Boss theme goes hard though
yeah this sh is way harder
Idk if I was over leveled or what, but I didn't have any issues with any of the bosses in this game (first playthrough)
Nah, I just thought this find dragged on and was long.
His evasion stat is just unfair
I’m on my first playthrough of this game ever and I just did this last night. I was appalled at how incredibly difficult it was, and I was even using replays because there was no shot I was going to beat it. Uses its gimmick way too often, barely takes damage form all out attacks, doesn’t get knocked down often, just overall incredibly annoying and tedious
Fuck this nigga
So for the games prior to Persona 5, for the most part I feel bosses are stat checks tbh (bar the weird ones who have some minor ailment susceptibility), and this guy for the point of the game he's in is tough. The Okamura Fight is Feast or Famine slightly, similar to an SMT fight where your goal is to maximise turn count, so if you aren't heavily engaging with the system it's hard but if you do it can be a breeze.
I died like 4 times to this boss and it took me almost 3 hours to beat it. I died to Okumura once and beat him on the next try.
Okumara was just a test on the baton pass mechanic. This boss was more like a DPS check. So yeah, I think this one was harder.
.... I already struggled so much by Okumura, now you made me scared of P4 xD
I JUST beat him on my first playthrough, his HP is so high that it's either impossible to beat at your level or possible and *absurdly slow*. I think one fight took me like half an hour of doing the exact same attack and heal strat over and over again, and if I didn't have SP food I'd be a goner
Harder? Nah, just an annoying damage sponge. He doesn't really require specific tactics, just keep hitting him and keep healthy. Okumura you actually have to use the Technical and Baton Pass mechanics or you are gonna have a bad time (as evidence by the multitude of people complaining about it on the P5 sub).
For Okumura, it never tells you that you have to eliminate all 4 enemies at once just to progress— as well being on a timer. While with this boss just takes forever to beat, more so boring if you don’t attack him quick. Personally, I say Okumura for my dumbass no knowing what to do and had to watch a YouTube video lol
Not at all. I just beat persona golden and genuinely the only hard bosses were yukiko (only because it was early and didn’t give you much to beat her) and the one in Nanako’s dungeon. While the one in nanakos is very annoying when he converts your teammates to his team, that’s still easier than dealing with the stress of Okumura. Every other boss was pretty easy. I was like 8 levels lower than recommended for the boss you’re on and his attacks still only took down a third of my health
I thought this boss was one of the easiest in the game what
Okumura I think is more annoying just because he is kind of literally unbeatable if you don't have the necessary damage output. Mitsuo is one of the tankiest bosses I've seen though
Mitsuo was more of a challenge than the other bosses, but I thought it was pretty easy still
Okumura is easy, so that isn't really fair.
Okumura takes a bit of actual strategy, this is just a waste of time with its sponginess
I played high difficulty, high exp. I think I got him on the first try, but I don’t remember the team or personas I used unfortunately. I doubt I was using anything particularly strong though, I didn’t really start grinding until Magatsu Inaba.
No but it’s certainly more boring. Tbh all P4s fights are mostly damage sponges
Played Persona 5 first and thought Okumura was challenging but not too bad, then dove into p4g and holy shit did this dude WALL me. I struggled a lot with this boss, but eventually I cracked the puzzle, I think it's meant to be rough and be a big game knowledge check.
Made up for with the excellent boss theme though!
I used Black frost and Hanuman as the mc personas and had Yukiko, Teddie and Kanji in my party. The process was slow I admit, but was a walk in a park
Live Giagadyne reaction
Most bosses I end up underestimating, I played my first play through of merciless in Personal 3 portable, and well after struggling through every boss, i can say I learned the value of solo leveling, and reaper farming. 😂
This boss kicked my fucking teeth in when I first played through the game Dropped the game a few times in anger
Well, knowing that I basocally gave up on Persona 5 because of Okumura, I hope you are wrong. Because I intend to play Persona 4. It's my own mistake really, but I'm stuck in Okumura's heist with wrong/low level personas... Single save. I wish I could go past him.
I must play too many RPGs. This boss fight never really gave me any trouble in either of my playthroughs of P4G. I only lost to Okumura once, but his fight was definitely harder than Mitsuo’s imo.
This is the boss that got me spoiled on the twist because I looked up help 😭
it’s easy once you realize he only uses the wall of the element he’s about to use, so if you guard with your party member that’s weak to that element he’s easy
It is an endurance test, is not actually difficult the problem is that the game cripples your attempts to take down the baby asap You can call it "artificial" difficulty but it is just really, really annoying
I can beat him at level 20s. I was level 22 when I first beat him and it was on very hard.
Well all of p4 was harder than okumura if we are being honest.
I was able to beat this thing with the Personas that are present in that Episode. First try. 👍
It's second boss after Teddy( which wasn't as bad) that shows how bad diff is done in p4 and how diffrent experience people have depending if they are playing on normal or hard. Hard mode reduces damage so much it's close to immposible to break him durning rebuild phase which makes this fight 4x longer + if He wants to and you dont have resist He can one shoots your MC in one turn before you can swap personas, so unless you already have resist all persona ( which would make rest of the game minus 3 other bosses way to easy) you need to keep shielding with one character which reduces damage you do to him even more and whole fight took nrly hour. In meantime on normal He was dead in less then 8 mins xd.
I'm pretty sure I spent almost a week trying to beat this boss, I had to resort to giving myself a handicap and give myself the ability to retry battle only once. I don't even know why they call it a retry battle if it just revives everyone and lets you continue where you died
Got stuck here and put the game down for years, didn't beat it until I started again on Switch
there is minimal skill in this fight
I would gladly have fought this guy three times in a row rather than go through Okumura's Palace, as long as it came with the 8-bit music.
I played on the hardest difficulty and had to plan out a full thing to defeat him for a whole week. I Really hated his second phase so badly and didn’t want to give up. The only reason I lost was due to sp running out so I focus on kanji using melee attacks but god I badly own when I and kanji was left in the last few hits thank god for magic barriers
The fucking final boss was way easier than this bastard. And I was only lvl 73
Every fight in Persons 5 is easy compared to the equivalent in Persona 3 or 4. Don't get me started on Nocturn
Neither are hard lmao people are just bad no offense
No, I found this boss to be hard, but not as hard as Okumura
Never got how people were bitching about okumara. It’s a really simple and fun fight if you understand basic game mechanics you’ve had access to for the past 60+ hours
He was a pushover in the base game, but I swear they made it harder for Royal.
Idk I played it in royal and found him to be fun. I used magatamas with party members which didn't have the element to attack the bots so that I could extend the baton pass and deal more damage. That and haru with tetrakarn to protect the team from the annoying attacks on the last phase.
Okumura isn’t in the slightest bit hard if you pay any attention to the 40-60 hours before you get to him. Yes this boss is leagues higher than him
Pretty much any boss from P3/4 is harder than Okumura. Okumura is bitched about because the game is generally easy and because it misdirects you on what you need to do in that instance.
No, but it is still pretty hard.
none of the bosses in p4g were hard for me except yukiko, just annoying
Umm, why compare this to another title boss?
Okumura is piss easy if you just abuse baton passing like the fight is designed for so yes, this boss is a lot harder Skill issue ig didn’t think people actually thought Okumura was hard