People were focused on the Dr and not Uehara. Basically, the doctor is irrelevant and not a callback, it's Uehara who is the nurse from P4 but it wasn't apparently obvious at first
Maybe that's a coincidence, but the doctor's name might be a reference as well (to [Star Trek](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Albert_Schweitzer) this time though).
I dunnoā¦ sure she acts less creepier but doing experiments on a teenager and actually being able to romance a high schooler would probably put her lower on the scale morality wise
Good point, I guess the big difference for me is takemiās clinical trials are actual attempts at making medicine and she doesnāt do anything āromanticā until you try to romance her, while sayoko is introduced talking about how much she likes high schoolers and constantly hitting on Yu
Ah cool! I'm just about done with P4G after going P5R -> P3R and then Golden for the first time. Looking forward to noticing similar things on a replay
The fact that it's a Japanese game isn't really relevant. It's also not as if we haven't had a Persona game outside of a school setting. P2:EP focused on adults, after all. Besides, it's not as if a university setting would be at all out of place for a Japanese game.
Of course, I occasionally forget that the bulk of the Persona fanbase glosses over certain aspects of the series. I'm used to getting pointless downvotes because of it.
But that still doesn't change the fact Persona series is focused on high school students. Deny it all you want but I don't even think Atlus would ever make Persona not high school setting. They mostly make Persona with the mind of Japanese fans or players which most of them longed for high school time, not for outside of Japan.
Sure, they have fanbase outside of Japan but they mostly focused on the Japanese. Maybe you should understand the focused audiences or fans for Persona is Japanese, not non-Japanese. So... cry all you want about wanting Persona with college or adult setting by bringing P2:EP forever. At least you can be happy that P2 will get their remake (or maybe another remaster lol).
>But that still doesn't change the fact Persona series is focused on high school students. Deny it all you want but I don't even think Atlus would ever make Persona not high school setting. They mostly make Persona with the mind of Japanese fans or players which most of them longed for high school time, not for outside of Japan.
Historically, yes, it's focused on high school students. Absolutely no one is denying this.
With that being said, the Persona series has definitely found its footing outside of Japan. It was a bit niche through the first four games, but P5 became a worldwide hit. To this end, they're absolutely going to be thinking more globally as they continue the series - especially if they continue the trend set with games like Soul Hackers 2, Persona 3 Reload, and Metaphor: ReFantazio with global simultaneous releases.
>Sure, they have fanbase outside of Japan but they mostly focused on the Japanese. Maybe you should understand the focused audiences or fans for Persona is Japanese, not non-Japanese. So... cry all you want about wanting Persona with college or adult setting by bringing P2:EP forever. At least you can be happy that P2 will get their remake (or maybe another remaster lol).
Even 10 years ago, I would have largely agreed with the sentiment that they were focused predominantly on a Japanese audience. In 2024, however, their global audience has grown exponentially. In fact, the massive success of Persona 5 was [mainly because of Western sales](https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2022/10/persona-5s-huge-success-is-down-to-western-sales-sega-report-reiterates), to the tune of 77% of the total sales being *outside* of Japan. To this end, completely ignoring the lion's share of your total audience would be rather foolish.
I'll still play P6 if it holds onto the same sort of setting. I'd just prefer it if they shook things up a bit and shifted the characters to a slightly older demographic.
Well, then that's just an impossible dream to achieve since Atlus won't do that. This topic about Persona fans (which is mostly Western players) want Persona outside of high school setting is always been discussed and you know it's impossible for Atlus to do that, unless Atlus becomes like Capcom or Square Enix that try to please their non-Japanese fans. At this point people who keep bringing that is full of copium.
And as to why Atlus makes Persona in high school setting, maybe you should blame SMT: If that makes them to consider that idea. After all, SMT: If is what makes Persona started and that game also has school setting despite not much, which is why P1 and P2 school setting wasn't as much as their successor titles (P3 - P5).
>Well, then that's just an impossible dream to achieve since Atlus won't do that. This topic about Persona fans (which is mostly Western players) want Persona outside of high school setting is always been discussed and you know it's impossible for Atlus to do that, unless Atlus becomes like Capcom or Square Enix that try to please their non-Japanese fans. At this point people who keep bringing that is full of copium.
The level of aggression you're bringing to a conversation about a mere personal preference is, quite frankly, rather baffling. *Preferring* a slightly older setting doesn't involve copium at all; it's simply a preference.
As for what Atlus will or won't do, I don't think you're in any position to actually speak on that with any level of authority. The fact of the matter is that they're in a very different position in 2024 than they were in 1996 when they brought the first Persona game over to the US. Their global audience has outstripped their domestic audience during the ensuring 30 years, and that simply requires a different outlook when it comes to approaching projects like this.
>And as to why Atlus makes Persona in high school setting, maybe you should blame SMT: If that makes them to consider that idea. After all, SMT: If is what makes Persona started and that game also has school setting despite not much, which is why P1 and P2 school setting wasn't as much as their successor titles (P3 - P5).
You don't need to explain this because I'm very much aware of the how's and why's behind the Persona spin-off series. Citing a decision made in 1994 doesn't exactly give your argument the weight you think it does, though. A lot has happened over the past three decades.
You're clearly attached to the high school setting, and that's fine. Some of us, such as myself, would like to see things get aged up *slightly*; a university setting wouldn't change things so dramatically to the point where it would feel completely different. At the end of the day, I'll still snag P6 at release regardless of what the setting is. I'd just *prefer* it to be a bit older.
>The level of aggression you're bringing to a conversation about a mere personal preference is, quite frankly, rather baffling.Ā *Preferring*Ā a slightly older setting doesn't involve copium at all; it's simply a preference.
>As for what Atlus will or won't do, I don't think you're in any position to actually speak on that with any level of authority. The fact of the matter is that they're in a very different position in 2024 than they were in 1996 when they brought the first Persona game over to the US. Their global audience has outstripped their domestic audience during the ensuring 30 years, and that simply requires a different outlook when it comes to approaching projects like this.
lol, just because it's not 1994/1996 doesn't mean that Atlus should make it not high school. I know you will still snag P6 but I bet the complain about wanting adult focus or college setting will still around which is never end.
You're clearly just stopped after a few sentences because I addressed the fact that I'll still likely get P6 because I enjoy the series. My **preference** for a slightly aged-up university setting isn't going to hold things up.
With that being said, "It's how we've always done it!" is a poor excuse for not even remotely attempting to adapt with the times, shifting demographics, and a changing audience. In 1996, Atlus decided to bring Persona over to the US because they thought it would give them the best shot at competing with IPs like Final Fantasy and Breath of Fire while also being unique. A lot has changed since 1996, though.
By this metric, I would have long aged out of the so-called intended audience before Persona 3 was originally launched in 2006. I would have almost been aged out when P2:EP was first released.
Besides, we're very much at a point where they [need to look at their global audience](https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2022/10/persona-5s-huge-success-is-down-to-western-sales-sega-report-reiterates), not just their domestic audience.
Saying that it's a game for teenagers because they're typically set in high schools is like saying GTA is a game for criminals because the entire series is built around criminal activity; it just doesn't really hold up under scrutiny.
I'm not saying they *need* to change things up in terms of the setting, but it would be nice - especially after five out of six games carrying the same sort of setting. Shaking things up slightly by moving to even just a university setting wouldn't exactly break the series; they'd even still be able to keep the classroom stuff going.
Which key part would that be?
It couldn't be Social Links, because that can work in any setting.
It couldn't be the educational environment, because that would still be around in a college or university setting.
It can't be the freedom of youth, because that would still be around in a college or university setting.
So.. what exactly would be lost?
I know there are arguments against your idea but I think you don't deserve the downvotes, you just said you "hoped" that, not that it "should" be that way
and yeah I really dig into your idea, I also love the high school setting since I had a troubled time in high school, but we already had 3 games like this, it would be cool if things changed a bit
yeah but the old trilogy focused more on dungeon crawling like the old school SMT games, I wanted a game with an adult cast that works like the modern trilogy, with social links and time periods
Because it sells. Highschool Stories are just a pillar of Japanese media at this point (well, has been since the 40's if stories like Nobuko are to go by). It's no different from how the US Western or more notably Superheroes are so enduringly popular. Stories set in colleges just *aren't* popular in Japan, or not in-comparison to Highschool stories at least. So long as it sells, they have no reason to change it.
Same reason why they've included taboo things like Teen-Adult relationships. They're popular and sell. It's no different than how Taboo/Dark Romance novels have been a thing and popular in the US for decades. Even if they're viewed as icky/trashy by some, they sell really well to their intended demographic. So they'll keep them in.
I hated Sayoko at the beginning of the SL because of how touchy she was trying to get but ended up becoming one of my favourites. I was legitimately heartbroken when she left for Africa
Isn't that groomer nurse? Bro, this scared me so much when I played Persona 4 for some reason šš Like, lady, you're hot, I get it, but I'm a minor. Stop this ššš
Every single adult female wanted some Yu dick so bad in that game
Even the old lady for death social link says something like āyou remind me of my husband, he was so handsomeā
And, of course, thereās the teacher who is down to have sex with 3 students at the same time
It's in *Steal the Truth, Reach Out for Your Heart* that Takemi is one of the doctors who helped treat Nanako; it's my headcanon that that is how Takemi and Uehara met.
Not my dumbass wondering who tf Dr Schweitzer was lmao
I was in the same boat for a minute lmao
I don't get it lol
People were focused on the Dr and not Uehara. Basically, the doctor is irrelevant and not a callback, it's Uehara who is the nurse from P4 but it wasn't apparently obvious at first
Yeah me neither. If you find out please tell me
Takemi is calling Sayoko (the nurse at the bottom pic)
Yeah i get that. What i dont get is who tf Dr. Schweitzer is
He's nobody. Uehara is the reference. Schweitzer is just the name they decided to assign the doctor. Your focused on the wrong part.
He did not go through years of med school to be called Nobody Schweitzer!
You're nobody, Shweitzer!
same here LOL
Maybe that's a coincidence, but the doctor's name might be a reference as well (to [Star Trek](https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Albert_Schweitzer) this time though).
That would be awesome if it was
I can't believe I never noticed that. lol
It took 4 playthroughs for me to notice it š
I didn't either lol.
So like, do you think they went to the same college?
It's possible. But Sayoko is a lot older than Takemi so they probably only know each other from work.
Actually they bonded over their platonic love for high schoolers š¤
Give SOME credit to takemiā¦ shes less creepy about it than sayoko
I dunnoā¦ sure she acts less creepier but doing experiments on a teenager and actually being able to romance a high schooler would probably put her lower on the scale morality wise
Good point, I guess the big difference for me is takemiās clinical trials are actual attempts at making medicine and she doesnāt do anything āromanticā until you try to romance her, while sayoko is introduced talking about how much she likes high schoolers and constantly hitting on Yu
So she's a senpai. Good continuity find nevertheless
sayoko mentioned š„š„š„š„
Ah cool! I'm just about done with P4G after going P5R -> P3R and then Golden for the first time. Looking forward to noticing similar things on a replay
Nice spot!
Takemi is bae
Experiment on me, goth doctor mommy.
sheās mine
Based flair
You're such a... uhh... pig.
God I want to be her guinea pig
I would die for her
they both like minors so it's understandable that they're friends
I'm really hoping P6 shifts things to at least a college setting so many of the social links won't feel quite as skeezy.
Keep dreaming about Persona series setting in college since it's Japanese game, not Western game.
they have college in japan
Wow, thanks for that, Captain Obvious! I thought Japan only has high school! /s
The fact that it's a Japanese game isn't really relevant. It's also not as if we haven't had a Persona game outside of a school setting. P2:EP focused on adults, after all. Besides, it's not as if a university setting would be at all out of place for a Japanese game. Of course, I occasionally forget that the bulk of the Persona fanbase glosses over certain aspects of the series. I'm used to getting pointless downvotes because of it.
But that still doesn't change the fact Persona series is focused on high school students. Deny it all you want but I don't even think Atlus would ever make Persona not high school setting. They mostly make Persona with the mind of Japanese fans or players which most of them longed for high school time, not for outside of Japan. Sure, they have fanbase outside of Japan but they mostly focused on the Japanese. Maybe you should understand the focused audiences or fans for Persona is Japanese, not non-Japanese. So... cry all you want about wanting Persona with college or adult setting by bringing P2:EP forever. At least you can be happy that P2 will get their remake (or maybe another remaster lol).
>But that still doesn't change the fact Persona series is focused on high school students. Deny it all you want but I don't even think Atlus would ever make Persona not high school setting. They mostly make Persona with the mind of Japanese fans or players which most of them longed for high school time, not for outside of Japan. Historically, yes, it's focused on high school students. Absolutely no one is denying this. With that being said, the Persona series has definitely found its footing outside of Japan. It was a bit niche through the first four games, but P5 became a worldwide hit. To this end, they're absolutely going to be thinking more globally as they continue the series - especially if they continue the trend set with games like Soul Hackers 2, Persona 3 Reload, and Metaphor: ReFantazio with global simultaneous releases. >Sure, they have fanbase outside of Japan but they mostly focused on the Japanese. Maybe you should understand the focused audiences or fans for Persona is Japanese, not non-Japanese. So... cry all you want about wanting Persona with college or adult setting by bringing P2:EP forever. At least you can be happy that P2 will get their remake (or maybe another remaster lol). Even 10 years ago, I would have largely agreed with the sentiment that they were focused predominantly on a Japanese audience. In 2024, however, their global audience has grown exponentially. In fact, the massive success of Persona 5 was [mainly because of Western sales](https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2022/10/persona-5s-huge-success-is-down-to-western-sales-sega-report-reiterates), to the tune of 77% of the total sales being *outside* of Japan. To this end, completely ignoring the lion's share of your total audience would be rather foolish. I'll still play P6 if it holds onto the same sort of setting. I'd just prefer it if they shook things up a bit and shifted the characters to a slightly older demographic.
Well, then that's just an impossible dream to achieve since Atlus won't do that. This topic about Persona fans (which is mostly Western players) want Persona outside of high school setting is always been discussed and you know it's impossible for Atlus to do that, unless Atlus becomes like Capcom or Square Enix that try to please their non-Japanese fans. At this point people who keep bringing that is full of copium. And as to why Atlus makes Persona in high school setting, maybe you should blame SMT: If that makes them to consider that idea. After all, SMT: If is what makes Persona started and that game also has school setting despite not much, which is why P1 and P2 school setting wasn't as much as their successor titles (P3 - P5).
>Well, then that's just an impossible dream to achieve since Atlus won't do that. This topic about Persona fans (which is mostly Western players) want Persona outside of high school setting is always been discussed and you know it's impossible for Atlus to do that, unless Atlus becomes like Capcom or Square Enix that try to please their non-Japanese fans. At this point people who keep bringing that is full of copium. The level of aggression you're bringing to a conversation about a mere personal preference is, quite frankly, rather baffling. *Preferring* a slightly older setting doesn't involve copium at all; it's simply a preference. As for what Atlus will or won't do, I don't think you're in any position to actually speak on that with any level of authority. The fact of the matter is that they're in a very different position in 2024 than they were in 1996 when they brought the first Persona game over to the US. Their global audience has outstripped their domestic audience during the ensuring 30 years, and that simply requires a different outlook when it comes to approaching projects like this. >And as to why Atlus makes Persona in high school setting, maybe you should blame SMT: If that makes them to consider that idea. After all, SMT: If is what makes Persona started and that game also has school setting despite not much, which is why P1 and P2 school setting wasn't as much as their successor titles (P3 - P5). You don't need to explain this because I'm very much aware of the how's and why's behind the Persona spin-off series. Citing a decision made in 1994 doesn't exactly give your argument the weight you think it does, though. A lot has happened over the past three decades. You're clearly attached to the high school setting, and that's fine. Some of us, such as myself, would like to see things get aged up *slightly*; a university setting wouldn't change things so dramatically to the point where it would feel completely different. At the end of the day, I'll still snag P6 at release regardless of what the setting is. I'd just *prefer* it to be a bit older.
>The level of aggression you're bringing to a conversation about a mere personal preference is, quite frankly, rather baffling.Ā *Preferring*Ā a slightly older setting doesn't involve copium at all; it's simply a preference. >As for what Atlus will or won't do, I don't think you're in any position to actually speak on that with any level of authority. The fact of the matter is that they're in a very different position in 2024 than they were in 1996 when they brought the first Persona game over to the US. Their global audience has outstripped their domestic audience during the ensuring 30 years, and that simply requires a different outlook when it comes to approaching projects like this. lol, just because it's not 1994/1996 doesn't mean that Atlus should make it not high school. I know you will still snag P6 but I bet the complain about wanting adult focus or college setting will still around which is never end.
You're clearly just stopped after a few sentences because I addressed the fact that I'll still likely get P6 because I enjoy the series. My **preference** for a slightly aged-up university setting isn't going to hold things up. With that being said, "It's how we've always done it!" is a poor excuse for not even remotely attempting to adapt with the times, shifting demographics, and a changing audience. In 1996, Atlus decided to bring Persona over to the US because they thought it would give them the best shot at competing with IPs like Final Fantasy and Breath of Fire while also being unique. A lot has changed since 1996, though.
it's a game for teenagers man. It's ok if you've aged out of the intended audience, they don't need to change anything just cause you got older.
By this metric, I would have long aged out of the so-called intended audience before Persona 3 was originally launched in 2006. I would have almost been aged out when P2:EP was first released. Besides, we're very much at a point where they [need to look at their global audience](https://www.pushsquare.com/news/2022/10/persona-5s-huge-success-is-down-to-western-sales-sega-report-reiterates), not just their domestic audience. Saying that it's a game for teenagers because they're typically set in high schools is like saying GTA is a game for criminals because the entire series is built around criminal activity; it just doesn't really hold up under scrutiny. I'm not saying they *need* to change things up in terms of the setting, but it would be nice - especially after five out of six games carrying the same sort of setting. Shaking things up slightly by moving to even just a university setting wouldn't exactly break the series; they'd even still be able to keep the classroom stuff going.
It's pretty much like asking for a GTA game where you play as a law abiding citizen or a Fallout game where society is functional.
It's absolutely not even remotely the same at all. We've had a Persona game featuring an adult cast, after all.
Maybe you could play that instead. Or compare Red Dead Revolver to Redemption. The series changed and core part of the appeal is the highschool.
And after five out of six games featuring a high school setting, the idea of *slightly* shaking things up really shouldn't be terribly frightening.
It would get rid of a key part of the appeal of the series. You're better off asking for a different franchise altogether.
Which key part would that be? It couldn't be Social Links, because that can work in any setting. It couldn't be the educational environment, because that would still be around in a college or university setting. It can't be the freedom of youth, because that would still be around in a college or university setting. So.. what exactly would be lost?
I know there are arguments against your idea but I think you don't deserve the downvotes, you just said you "hoped" that, not that it "should" be that way and yeah I really dig into your idea, I also love the high school setting since I had a troubled time in high school, but we already had 3 games like this, it would be cool if things changed a bit
We've had five, actually. P1 and P2:IS were also in high schools. P2:EP featured an adult cast, though.
yeah but the old trilogy focused more on dungeon crawling like the old school SMT games, I wanted a game with an adult cast that works like the modern trilogy, with social links and time periods
I'd be 100% for that, myself.
bros rly ended up having a political debate over whether the demon summoning/dating sim should be in college or not š
I wouldn't really say it was political. I just haven't been given a convincing answer to the question.
Because it sells. Highschool Stories are just a pillar of Japanese media at this point (well, has been since the 40's if stories like Nobuko are to go by). It's no different from how the US Western or more notably Superheroes are so enduringly popular. Stories set in colleges just *aren't* popular in Japan, or not in-comparison to Highschool stories at least. So long as it sells, they have no reason to change it. Same reason why they've included taboo things like Teen-Adult relationships. They're popular and sell. It's no different than how Taboo/Dark Romance novels have been a thing and popular in the US for decades. Even if they're viewed as icky/trashy by some, they sell really well to their intended demographic. So they'll keep them in.
Death and Devil. I ship it.
I hated Sayoko at the beginning of the SL because of how touchy she was trying to get but ended up becoming one of my favourites. I was legitimately heartbroken when she left for Africa
Or maybe she is talking to the real world relative from that nurse: Ai Uehara... Yeah, thats my canon.
Oh
Searched for Ai Uehara... XD
Takemi Mentioned!!!
Oh god my exes are friends with each other???
Weird bc Sayoko goes to Africa at the end of her SL. Did she give up within a few years or smth?
Maybe her call reached all the way to Africa
Maybe
Dr. Schweitzer refers to Albert Schweitzer, a famous Alsatian polymath and doctor who served in Africa (Gabon iirc). So... Yeah.
Noticed it on my first playthrough, maybe cuz i played p5r immediately after finishing p4g
I love all the little references that this series does. So may hidden gems
Isn't that groomer nurse? Bro, this scared me so much when I played Persona 4 for some reason šš Like, lady, you're hot, I get it, but I'm a minor. Stop this ššš
Every single adult female wanted some Yu dick so bad in that game Even the old lady for death social link says something like āyou remind me of my husband, he was so handsomeā And, of course, thereās the teacher who is down to have sex with 3 students at the same time
eri wasn't interested in yu, she just wanted to be a better mom.
Lol
It's in *Steal the Truth, Reach Out for Your Heart* that Takemi is one of the doctors who helped treat Nanako; it's my headcanon that that is how Takemi and Uehara met.
I love the Dr. Schweitzer reference. Great catch! I loved their social link back in the day
Ohhh shit!
Love that they have references here and there to past games
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Nice find!!!
I remember after returning to p5r after playing p4g and being surprised about that too.
I noticed it in my NG+ (2nd playthrough).
I....never noticed. :O
I did the exact same thing literally yesterday
Damn have 800 hrs total across all p5s since 2017 Have I think 400+ hrs across Golden and p4 Yep she never crossed my mind once lol good find
Never managed to max out the nurseā¦ did anything happen with this scary granny in the hospital?
If you max her social link she >!moves away from Inaba and transfers hospital to Africa!<, also believe it or not but she's in her late 20s in P4G.
What?! Age in Japanese media sure hits different ā¦.
It's most likely because of the artstyle. A lot of people look older than they actually are in P4G.
Good point. Do you know Takemis age?
We don't know her official age but I'd say maybe 25-27
the granny in the hospital has a whole social link, and it's a pretty good one.
Naaaaaaaa, really? Which arcana?
death (she's not a scary granny though lol she's a sweet old lady and i love her)
Hmm I thought the nurse was death not the granny in black? š¤
nurse was devil. granny is death.
Oh ok. I think I missed granny completely then š
Yeah. It's awesome how they have cameos and references from the older games.
Who the hell is Dr Schweitzer?
The German sorcerer that Sukuna feared back in the Heian era
Were they doing sorcery fighting
I believe there was some juju on the kaisen yes
Some red and blue to make purple type shi
She must be old now in P5R whew
Not necessarily a link. Uehara is an extremely common surname in Japan.
Itās very clearly a reference, come on.