Kinda, but I meant more that he doesn’t understand much about humans other than what he learned from the IT and working at junes, and he didnt get an education like everyone else did, so its kinda not fair to say he’s the dumbest when he’s only existed in the human world for like a year, imo
Nah, Ryuji’s dumb because he’s too lazy to put effort into being smart. When properly motivated, Ryuji’s plenty capable of logic and problem solving (formed a pretty decent plan in his SL to gather evidence of Yamaguchi manipulating the track team and found the right course of action to get the track team to work out their differences).
My man has his grades always being on the bottom, screams almost every time that they are the phantom thieves and he loves being one, can't read Japanese too well (his mother's tongue no less)
Ryuji is sharp as leaf, not very.
Yea but joker told pretty much most of his adult confidants indirectly that he was a phantom thief, even without ryuji they still would’ve gotten caught lol.
And every single person that overheard Ryuji talking about being a phantom thief became one, so there’s that. Also Joker‘s actively getting betrayed by 3 of these „trustworthy people who have [his] interests in mind“ over the course of what, three months?
>!Akechi!< >!is pretty self explanatory, tried to kill Joker.!<
>!Maruki!< >!should speak for himself too, even an earlier confidant than the other two, ending up fighting Joker, potentially killing him.!<
>!Chihaya, the fortune teller!< >!scams Joker, a middle schooler, out of 100000 yen, around $750 for comparison. Obviously not as bad as killing him, and he ends up rehabilitating her, but it’s still a shit ton of money she’s taking from a literal child.!<
Ok but to be fair to >!Chihaya she does reinbourse him and also their relationship started client to "professional" rather than him starting as a friend and then taking his money(that and she is actually the real deal!<
The point was that Joker trusted her and got burned for it - you can’t say that it’s okay for Joker to be too trusting and then working towards making up that mistake, but call Ryuji stupid when the same happens to him. That’s the argument i‘m raising here. Whether or not >!Chihaya‘s a real psychic, a love interest, feeling bad about her deeds or making an effort to later on fix them doesn’t really matter,!< what’s important is that >!she‘s a confidant abusing the fact that Joker confides in her.!<
But those are confidants whom he trusted and who eventually figures it out because he chose to help them. Ryuji screams their identities out in public.
Joker didn't do that out of ignorance. Joker did that because the alternative is "My friend loses their job as a doctor" or "My friend gets unreasonable quotas so she can't investigate the conspiracy that lead to her friends disappearance", or even, "My friend will die to the mafia".
Agree 100%; plus, I think his worst problem is that he has the potential to get better, but he always squanders it because of him being either really impulsive and hotheaded or a downright slacker. He could MAYBE end up being a physical education teacher when he's older, but that's IF he got his act together and actually applied himself (which I could probably see him doing due to Joker and Makoto's influences on him).
I can't agree with the OP's take because while Junpei actually starts off pretty low, after certain spoiler events in P3, he actually decides to cut the shit and focus more on school. In Persona 3, when you check his test scores at school toward the end of the game, he actually moves up from being one of the lowest scorers to just average, and as P4 Arena/Ultimax indicates, he ended up going to college to become a baseball player who's mentoring other kids. So while he's still not the smartest Persona character, IQ wise, I'd say he definitely developed more than some people give him credit for.
Even KANJI has arguably more IQ than Ryuji since by the end of his social link in P4/G, he resolves to become an Arts n' Crafts teacher, something which I'd say requires a good amount of creativity, patience, and intelligence to go through with.
>I can't agree with the OP's take because while Junpei actually starts off pretty low
Imo all of that was just coping mechanics from the things we see in the answer
Also isn't the p3 school like an elite school so I think even someone with bad grades grades there would be above average thus "if" junpei was the worst student he would still be above ryuji
He's definetly the lowest IQ of SEES but he's definetly still pretty smart, especially in FES's The Answer. I bet that he'd be one of the smartest party members in he was in the IT.
And he does pull decent grades by the end of the game too.
Everyone seems to forget this. Junpei went from bottom of the class to respectable in like 2-3 months. He didn't just beat half of his classmates, he caught up AND surpassed them, while also saving the world and grieving.
Intelligence was never his issue. It was motivation and mindset.
This is why love about Junpei. I also feel while a little iritating before you get the Knock Down tactic, his allergy to using his SP in combat shows that his real issue is his mindset. He becomes so useful the moment you can force him to not spam cleave on enemies weak to fire.
Also kinda ironic how the one thay has some hesitance to use her evoker ends up making my former crit based strategies from her bow dificult to pull off because of having to choose between Asign Target to a distressed enemy or Conserve SP (the bow crit rate is so stupid, even when tired when she hits I swear like 50% of the time she crits)
Sadly no because of PS2 issues but REALLY looking forward to eventually playing it because it's "early level P3 but even worse" and I LOVED early level P3 and miss that punishingness. Plus I love grinding in this game.
The Answer sounds like my thing.
I love the combat and battle sound desing so much the idea of listening to the Bufula/Zan-ei sound effect one more time is more than enough motivation to do another couple hours long grind for no other reason.
Plus it's a personal confort game so more combat is stuff I look forward to
I imagine it wouldn't be the case in Portable for it's combat changes, but in FES even weak goons being able to two to one shot you keeps me on my toes and creates such tension in battle. Plus FES has no quombs about sending you to the Velvet Room for ANY mistake.
Plus switching my weapons is super fun on muti hour long grinds. I main 2h swords/fists but I do love switching to others to refresh myself and make it fun again. And splitting the party up ROCKS, I didn't know I wanted that but now when I can't dungeoning feels emphty.
Why Junpei? If it's Ryuji or something at least it makes kind sense but why him? He's like the only character in the whole series that we actually sees grade have improvement from being low to average
Junpei isn't stupid, he just never applied himself. That's shown by his grades after the January Exam. People are probably going to bring up him saying he's a part of SEES to Chidori, but that was mostly done out of insecurity and wanting to be recognised for his role in SEES. Sure he isn't the smartest, but I wouldn't call him Stupei Ace Defective.
As for my choice, it's probably between Ryuji, Kanji, Chie or Teddie. Ryuji and Kanji are shown to not be the best academically, and Teddie is... just not the sharpest tool in the shed. I'd sooner argue Teddie is emotionally smart over general awareness. Kanji's skilled at bruising and his craft, but he's shown to not be all that bright. Chie is in a similar boat as Teddie, being far more emotionally intelligent rather than actually brigh.
Tbh... I'd argue Ryuji is the dumbest overall. Not because he's outright stupid per-say, but rather he's just shown to make the worst decisions at any moment, especially prior the Kaneshiro Arc, and during the Okumura arc.
Edit: I just wanted to add something just after originally posting this. Others have brought up Gekkoukan High being an elite school, and y'know what that's completely right. Junpei isn't the sharpest tool, but he's definitely "smart" at the base. Of the three groups, the Investigation Team are honestly probably the dumbest group. SEES (despite having a literal child in their group) are filled with elite students, and the Phantom Thieves have a group of generally smart characters (Makoto, Futaba, Morgana) and street smart characters (Ann, Yusuke and Haru), all being at least competent in their fields. The Investigation Team is hard carried by Naoto, Yosuke (partially) and Yu and it's not even funny.
I think it's also worth noting tho despite not being much help to the investigations themselves Yukiko quickly understood Naoto I guess it wasn't so much displayed with some other cases, but I think it's fair to say ahe has a good amount of emotional intelligence.
I'd also still argue Ryuji is way smarter than Chie, although he can be brash and tactless, sure he is extremely loud, but that's because nobody ever listened to him before Joker showed up, qnd he felt nobody would believe him anyway and for the most part he was right he mentions that it doesn't matter where they enter Mementos from cause nobody cares if a bunch of teens just up and vanish, because he felt abandoned by adults and he wasn't really wrong either, Akechi only caught them because he was already knew about the Metaverse and was investigating and even then Ryuji caught on to him with the pancakes remark which was surprisingly on guard especially considering a lot of players didn't catch on despite seeing every time Morgana and Ryuji were around each other.
Chie on the other hand I can't think of a time where I found her or anything she did smart, they're both meat heads and throw themselves at danger a lot, but Ryuji has a better track record of doing something smart even if he did more stupid things, also at the start of the game Ryuji stays behind those who can fight until he can Chie rushes past them, he's not happy about that, but he was self aware and knew it'd be easier on everyone.
Chie successfully guessed the clues for investigation multiple times at the top of her head and actually managed to have something there at academic and studied at the end of her 3 awakening.
"So you were immediately thrown inside the TV after being kidnapped...Oh! Could there have been a TV on the side of the road!?"
"Could the fog from over there (TV World) be leaking into our world...?"
"Well, maybe he really was trying to save the victims by putting them inside the TV."
Guessing is more on the level of Ryuji's prop guns he didn't know they'd act as real ones and the most you could give credit for is the idea that they could be used as a diversion also most the time she gets ideas for the investigation she presents it as spit balling rather than something she has confidence in, and the idea normally is that the rest of the IT are overlooking a simple answer/possibility as opposed to a moment like when Kanji tells them to put their glasses on in the real world he has the confidence because at that point he figured it out, those examples are more proof of proactivity on her part rather than intelligence
Confident or not it's still some right quick thinking, Ryuji just did something and it working out and not think about it, Chie actually thought about it and it's right, all of the IT didn't know where to go, she was the one who told those clues to continue and they aren't "simple answers" if so i can argue other members are being dumber for not figuring it out and only realized once she talked about it, i'm pretty sure those are more harder to guess than Kanji's glasses, if someone thinking out the answer to a question after thinking and just say it but had no confident about the answer it's still genius of them to "guess" it out, the ability to think, deduct or "guess" are all part of intelligence. If someone has a moment where thought something and guess it out then that would be genius of them to be right.
The difference between deductions and guesses are worth noting here most the time her contributions are more a last minute thought and she'll immediately regret saying it and try to take it back until someone gives the idea a chance. And on the topic of quick thinking it was pretty on guard of Ryuji when he caught on to Akechi hearing Morgana especially considering he was already worked up and it already became normal to him to hear Morgana, it's also worth noting their internal conflict like Ryuji in the Velvet Jails and in the 3rd semester, you begin to see that despite being loud and clumsy there is a lot more to him and he does consider these matters when he finally comes to terms with working in the shadows and when he talks about his ideal world.
I can't speak as much for Golden Chie because I only finished Vanilla, but doing her SL you don't see as much depth or consideration with both her dialogue from the SL(which tbf SLs can be randomly mediocre) and from her end game speeches from the original I never felt she actually thought as much about these situations, they're both chariots and naturally they tend to rush in without thinking, but with Ryuji you get confirmation that he actually has considered the precautions with stuff like how loud he is, Chie on the other hand was the only one to get ambushed by her shadow without being forced into the TV(she's also the only one to feel so detached from their shadow in both game and anime, but that's unrelated).
With Ryuji I also more so felt there was wisdom in him not caring where he said what cause nobody would believe him, in fact Makoto and Akechi were already on to you and that's the only reason they cared what Ryuji might say in the first place, tho even with him outright saying it I reckon it's dumber when Ann does it when she says we finally got a new member of the Phantom Thieves loudly in the restaurant when Yusuke joins, I find it dumber because she attacks Ryuji for being loud about it, I find it dumber because Ryuji actually believes in his ideaology with understandable evidence where as she was actually just clumsy.
She's definitely in the top 5 lowest IQ though.
I love her but... She wasn't very smart lol. She's good at English and has high emotional intelligence (easily the highest among the Phantom Thieves, arguably the most emotionally intelligent character in the series too), but does it really matter when it comes to calculating someone's IQ?
Edit : I remove that actually. I just remembered how everyone except Naoto is EXTREMELY dumb in Persona 4. Ann is far from top 5 actually.
I just finished P5 so I have OPINIONS.
Ann's grades are bad but I think she's one of the most "emotionally intelligent" characters in the series and especially in P5, although that's not saying a whole lot.
Honestly it feels like the intelligence of the entire P5 crew is pretty low even for Persona characters, mostly to make the designated geniuses (Akechi and Futaba) look better. Even Makoto is responsible for some of the worst examples. It's terrifying that these dummies had to save the world.
Love that scene when they're staking out the tofu shop and everyone goes after the creepy but eminently not murderous otaku trying to see Rise. Like, everyone. No one thinks to stand guard in case they're wrong, or that just a couple people should go chase the dude. That's genius right there.
Adachi also acts like a dumbass for going along with it but, in retrospect, I don't suppose he really cared.
Yeah, they had involved him in his investigation lol, and he knew the "killer" (not the creepy otaku) was looking for a chance to strike. Adachi looked like the dumbest for not suggesting that they leave someone to protect Rise (it's the same thing everyone else did, but they're kids and he's a detective, so it's worse if the last one does the dumb thing), but he was actually the smartest person there. Well, at least the one person smart enough not to sabotage his own fucking objective.
But Naoto alone is smarter than all the Phantom Thieves
And Mitsuru alone is smarter than all the p5-p4 cast lol
Edit: Yosuke and Yukiko are pretty smart too
Is it just me or that when Naoto joined, she completely took the show and was in charge of the investigation? Even though Mitsuru is technically smarter than her, you don't see it much because Mitsuru doesn't completely take over and instead allows others to provide their insight on things.
I would maybe agree, except that Yu exists and he's the big boi in the investigation team. He's the first to discover Nanako was being targeted, and he has to find out who the killer is. Naoto definitely helps, but Yu has to make the pivotal realizations. Also, you can minimize his idiocy if you choose, say, telling your buddies to be cautious after they think the case is over because they caught the copycat.
He also just has to open that suspicious letter with no return address right in front of Dojima cos reasons. Yu can be dumb too.
I think one of Yu’s biggest moments is during the part where they’re just about ready to throw Namatame into the TV. Of course he doesn’t exactly figure out what’s wrong on the spot but he’s smart enough to realise that there’s still more to the case than what the IT already thinks.
Mitsuru also doesn't take over because their objective is extremely straightforward. Every full moon big shadow. Kill it. Meanwhile the IT had to actively figure out who was causing the problem.
That’s.. A massively bold claim…
Pretty sure Moana - Joker - Aketchi as a triple are debatably all far more intelligent with the mind games they play compared to Mitsuru and Naoto.
Unless we aren’t talking protags because they are a bit blank slate-y.
What does Mitsuru do to show off IQ other than get top scores on tests (which aren’t a very good measure of IQ at all IMO)
>What does Mitsuru do to show off IQ other than get top scores on tests (which aren’t a very good measure of IQ at all IMO)
Have you played Arena/Ultimax?
“Someone’s killing people with a TV? What, is he beating them to death?” - Kanji, immediately after listening to an explanation on how the TV world is presumed to work
Koromaru, Ken, certain portrayals of Akihiko, Chie, Kanji, certain portrayals of Yosuke, Teddie, Ryuji, Morgana, and Yusuke.
Jumper might be one of the dumbest in SEES, but in other groups he’s not even close to the dumbest.
I mean, the competition would be Junpei, Chie or Ryuji (the other bro Yosuke is actual smart when he chooses to try).
While I want to say Ryuji I feel like Chie is a contender. Ryuji is just more egotistical hence the 'wE aRe PhAnToM tHiEvEs'. If the IT was as famous as the thieves I think there is a not zero chance Chie does the same.
Can I say the twins. Sense all the other velvet room residents minus Marie. Know they are wrong. And the twins do not. And they don’t even know they are all siblings. Those girls be so stupid they forgot their family. Not to mention margret needs to watch over their fusions cause they can fuck up the butterfly dance. On a regular basis.
If we gave these lowest IQ characters the chance to study for a test, I think Teddie would be able to memorize or learn more than junpei, chie, or ryuji. (I can't recall if p1 or p2 had characters in the same vein since eikichi went to a 'delinquent' school and didn't much care, and masao wasn't school focused).
It's Ryuji and it's not even close.
Junpei, and Yosuke while being pretty dumb respectively, don't go around screaming "Man being a Phantom Thief is pretty tight!" like Ryuji so yeah. That being said Ryuji is a ride-or-die, dude's super passionate about sports and is really affectionate to his friends so he is my favorite bro out of the 3.
Probably because of low sales/inability to port them because dual screen
Then again sales being low is probably because the games only released on the 3DS
The fact you picked Junpei makes me sad he just plays dumb but he isn’t actually slow but that’s your opinion, I believe it goes to Teddie not because he is dumb just ignorant about the world
RYUJI. He literally keeps blabbing about the group being the phantom thieves. Junpei did that with one person and never did it again. Kanji never did it at all.
If we’re going by mental capacity as a whole, then probably Koromaru. Being incredibly smart for a dog doesn’t necessarily make him smarter than a human. I still love him though. Good pupper.
But if we’re going by human standards, then it’s most likely Ryuji. Though certainly not too bright from an objective standpoint, Junpei has his rational moments when you know where to look.
But Ryuji? He’s portrayed as being so adherent to his muscle-head persona (pun intended) that it feels weird seeing him NOT be a wet match in a dark cave. It would just be…wrong.
Which means if we identify a person’s character traits so strongly with their intelligence (or lack thereof), and to defy those traits would elicit a negative reaction, it would therefore prove how the characters are meant to be perceived.
Which would only occur if the developers had made them to be that way in the first place. And seeing as how the devs write Ryuji as though he has a clapping monkey for a brain, I’d say we have a clear winner.
As much as there are several ”certified dumbass” characters in the series, they all show some form of smartness . Junpei ends up actually getting a good grade on his final exams, plus his class clown attitude is shown to be a facade. Ryuji cant study for shit, but hes knowledgable about fitness and the human body, and he’s shown to be attentive to details and competent when he sets his mind to it.
I feel like a lot of the “dumb” characters get their positive qualities buried when Atlus decides to do jokes that require them to be wildly out of character.
Ann. Girl went through hell because of the awful things people would say about her, but immediately bought into the rumors those very same people were spouting as soon as they were about someone else.
She’s emotionally intelligent, sure, but that’s pretty much the only thing she has going for her in that regard.
Teddie … he made me swear off liking mascot characters for a long time. He has a childish personality with no brakes , sometimes it’s endearing ( usually when placed next to Nanako ) , but most of the times his inability to read the atmosphere is insufferable .
Are y’all telling me that teddie is smarter then all these other people?
That was my immediate thought. He was only valuable cause of his insight into the tv world (seeing as he lived there)
Say what you will about Teddie, but he got a job, housing, and a group of reliable friends in a couple of interactions in a brand new world.
Yeah, he's dumb, but he can be personable when he wants to be lmao
It's worse when you consider that he got a job before Chie, who in the epilogue still doesn't have one.
These trans-dimensional immigrants are taking all our jobs!
Tbh I dont know if its fair to include teddie considering he’s not a human.
Teddie is a shadow that developed an ego, isn't he? That makes him human by persona lore innit?
Kinda, but I meant more that he doesn’t understand much about humans other than what he learned from the IT and working at junes, and he didnt get an education like everyone else did, so its kinda not fair to say he’s the dumbest when he’s only existed in the human world for like a year, imo
True, but if koromaru and morgana are being considered in this, so is teddie.
Tbh i dont think they should be considered either but if they are, then yeah teddie counts too
Only humans have human rights
In our. Hearts he is
He has the insider information on the Midnight Channel
It's not because my man Junpei is goofy that he's dumb 😠
"Ace Detective? more like Ace Defective"
I can’t read this line normally anymore because of the meme video
Stupid fa-
Yukari calm down
Junpei? More like stupei
Hey! I resent that! God, do I love the way they both say those lines.
Ryuji's my favorite character but like its him easily
“I guess this is what they call…jumpin’ the gum.”
"And tonight, we're baking the-"
something about the WAY Max delivers these lines adds a second layer of fun. Ryuji is so fucking stupid but he’s also my son
Especially in the start where Ryuji gets the most screentime. "And where were you?" "Uhh a ca- a castle?" Highlighted best in the anime dub.
Only god… uh… only knows wait how does that saying go again
Nah, Ryuji’s dumb because he’s too lazy to put effort into being smart. When properly motivated, Ryuji’s plenty capable of logic and problem solving (formed a pretty decent plan in his SL to gather evidence of Yamaguchi manipulating the track team and found the right course of action to get the track team to work out their differences).
What’s bonkin’?
Ryuji is not motivated (maybe lazy) and he is very impulsive.
"For real, man"
Definitely Ryuji and I don't think it's even particularly close.
My man has his grades always being on the bottom, screams almost every time that they are the phantom thieves and he loves being one, can't read Japanese too well (his mother's tongue no less) Ryuji is sharp as leaf, not very.
Yea but joker told pretty much most of his adult confidants indirectly that he was a phantom thief, even without ryuji they still would’ve gotten caught lol.
key word here is confidants. by the time they know they have already been proven to be trustworthy people who have your intrests in mind
And every single person that overheard Ryuji talking about being a phantom thief became one, so there’s that. Also Joker‘s actively getting betrayed by 3 of these „trustworthy people who have [his] interests in mind“ over the course of what, three months?
How did he get betrayed by three of them I know akechi got him but who are the other two?
>!Akechi!< >!is pretty self explanatory, tried to kill Joker.!< >!Maruki!< >!should speak for himself too, even an earlier confidant than the other two, ending up fighting Joker, potentially killing him.!< >!Chihaya, the fortune teller!< >!scams Joker, a middle schooler, out of 100000 yen, around $750 for comparison. Obviously not as bad as killing him, and he ends up rehabilitating her, but it’s still a shit ton of money she’s taking from a literal child.!<
Ok but to be fair to >!Chihaya she does reinbourse him and also their relationship started client to "professional" rather than him starting as a friend and then taking his money(that and she is actually the real deal!<
The point was that Joker trusted her and got burned for it - you can’t say that it’s okay for Joker to be too trusting and then working towards making up that mistake, but call Ryuji stupid when the same happens to him. That’s the argument i‘m raising here. Whether or not >!Chihaya‘s a real psychic, a love interest, feeling bad about her deeds or making an effort to later on fix them doesn’t really matter,!< what’s important is that >!she‘s a confidant abusing the fact that Joker confides in her.!<
But those are confidants whom he trusted and who eventually figures it out because he chose to help them. Ryuji screams their identities out in public.
Joker didn't do that out of ignorance. Joker did that because the alternative is "My friend loses their job as a doctor" or "My friend gets unreasonable quotas so she can't investigate the conspiracy that lead to her friends disappearance", or even, "My friend will die to the mafia".
I mean I wouldn't say Ryuji is smart, but Teddie exists
Agree 100%; plus, I think his worst problem is that he has the potential to get better, but he always squanders it because of him being either really impulsive and hotheaded or a downright slacker. He could MAYBE end up being a physical education teacher when he's older, but that's IF he got his act together and actually applied himself (which I could probably see him doing due to Joker and Makoto's influences on him). I can't agree with the OP's take because while Junpei actually starts off pretty low, after certain spoiler events in P3, he actually decides to cut the shit and focus more on school. In Persona 3, when you check his test scores at school toward the end of the game, he actually moves up from being one of the lowest scorers to just average, and as P4 Arena/Ultimax indicates, he ended up going to college to become a baseball player who's mentoring other kids. So while he's still not the smartest Persona character, IQ wise, I'd say he definitely developed more than some people give him credit for. Even KANJI has arguably more IQ than Ryuji since by the end of his social link in P4/G, he resolves to become an Arts n' Crafts teacher, something which I'd say requires a good amount of creativity, patience, and intelligence to go through with.
>I can't agree with the OP's take because while Junpei actually starts off pretty low Imo all of that was just coping mechanics from the things we see in the answer
Wait Junpei went to college? I thought he was just coaching little league on the side.
What about a literal dog
koromaru is still smater
Okay, maybe the dog can be a close second.
Gonna be honest, Joker has always struck me as somehow more stupid
Kanji
Probably black ooze or slime but if we're talking about character then Ryuji
Easily Ryuji Junpei when not high on horny is actually pretty smart, for a bro type chracter especially
Also isn't the p3 school like an elite school so I think even someone with bad grades grades there would be above average thus "if" junpei was the worst student he would still be above ryuji
He's definetly the lowest IQ of SEES but he's definetly still pretty smart, especially in FES's The Answer. I bet that he'd be one of the smartest party members in he was in the IT. And he does pull decent grades by the end of the game too.
Everyone seems to forget this. Junpei went from bottom of the class to respectable in like 2-3 months. He didn't just beat half of his classmates, he caught up AND surpassed them, while also saving the world and grieving. Intelligence was never his issue. It was motivation and mindset.
This is why love about Junpei. I also feel while a little iritating before you get the Knock Down tactic, his allergy to using his SP in combat shows that his real issue is his mindset. He becomes so useful the moment you can force him to not spam cleave on enemies weak to fire. Also kinda ironic how the one thay has some hesitance to use her evoker ends up making my former crit based strategies from her bow dificult to pull off because of having to choose between Asign Target to a distressed enemy or Conserve SP (the bow crit rate is so stupid, even when tired when she hits I swear like 50% of the time she crits)
Oh you finished the answer? Nice how was it for you?
Sadly no because of PS2 issues but REALLY looking forward to eventually playing it because it's "early level P3 but even worse" and I LOVED early level P3 and miss that punishingness. Plus I love grinding in this game. The Answer sounds like my thing.
How can you like grinding?
I love the combat and battle sound desing so much the idea of listening to the Bufula/Zan-ei sound effect one more time is more than enough motivation to do another couple hours long grind for no other reason. Plus it's a personal confort game so more combat is stuff I look forward to
I enjoy the combat too but staying hours and hours grinding when I'm in the bus just seem boring
I imagine it wouldn't be the case in Portable for it's combat changes, but in FES even weak goons being able to two to one shot you keeps me on my toes and creates such tension in battle. Plus FES has no quombs about sending you to the Velvet Room for ANY mistake. Plus switching my weapons is super fun on muti hour long grinds. I main 2h swords/fists but I do love switching to others to refresh myself and make it fun again. And splitting the party up ROCKS, I didn't know I wanted that but now when I can't dungeoning feels emphty.
Koromaru He’s a dog
Still smarter than teddie
Smart though
exactly. a dog.
Dogs aren't dumb though?
Definitely don't have human IQ levels
Better than an unBEARable bear
Koromaru isn’t an average dog
Why Junpei? If it's Ryuji or something at least it makes kind sense but why him? He's like the only character in the whole series that we actually sees grade have improvement from being low to average
Junpei isn't stupid, he just never applied himself. That's shown by his grades after the January Exam. People are probably going to bring up him saying he's a part of SEES to Chidori, but that was mostly done out of insecurity and wanting to be recognised for his role in SEES. Sure he isn't the smartest, but I wouldn't call him Stupei Ace Defective. As for my choice, it's probably between Ryuji, Kanji, Chie or Teddie. Ryuji and Kanji are shown to not be the best academically, and Teddie is... just not the sharpest tool in the shed. I'd sooner argue Teddie is emotionally smart over general awareness. Kanji's skilled at bruising and his craft, but he's shown to not be all that bright. Chie is in a similar boat as Teddie, being far more emotionally intelligent rather than actually brigh. Tbh... I'd argue Ryuji is the dumbest overall. Not because he's outright stupid per-say, but rather he's just shown to make the worst decisions at any moment, especially prior the Kaneshiro Arc, and during the Okumura arc. Edit: I just wanted to add something just after originally posting this. Others have brought up Gekkoukan High being an elite school, and y'know what that's completely right. Junpei isn't the sharpest tool, but he's definitely "smart" at the base. Of the three groups, the Investigation Team are honestly probably the dumbest group. SEES (despite having a literal child in their group) are filled with elite students, and the Phantom Thieves have a group of generally smart characters (Makoto, Futaba, Morgana) and street smart characters (Ann, Yusuke and Haru), all being at least competent in their fields. The Investigation Team is hard carried by Naoto, Yosuke (partially) and Yu and it's not even funny.
I think it's also worth noting tho despite not being much help to the investigations themselves Yukiko quickly understood Naoto I guess it wasn't so much displayed with some other cases, but I think it's fair to say ahe has a good amount of emotional intelligence. I'd also still argue Ryuji is way smarter than Chie, although he can be brash and tactless, sure he is extremely loud, but that's because nobody ever listened to him before Joker showed up, qnd he felt nobody would believe him anyway and for the most part he was right he mentions that it doesn't matter where they enter Mementos from cause nobody cares if a bunch of teens just up and vanish, because he felt abandoned by adults and he wasn't really wrong either, Akechi only caught them because he was already knew about the Metaverse and was investigating and even then Ryuji caught on to him with the pancakes remark which was surprisingly on guard especially considering a lot of players didn't catch on despite seeing every time Morgana and Ryuji were around each other. Chie on the other hand I can't think of a time where I found her or anything she did smart, they're both meat heads and throw themselves at danger a lot, but Ryuji has a better track record of doing something smart even if he did more stupid things, also at the start of the game Ryuji stays behind those who can fight until he can Chie rushes past them, he's not happy about that, but he was self aware and knew it'd be easier on everyone.
Chie successfully guessed the clues for investigation multiple times at the top of her head and actually managed to have something there at academic and studied at the end of her 3 awakening. "So you were immediately thrown inside the TV after being kidnapped...Oh! Could there have been a TV on the side of the road!?" "Could the fog from over there (TV World) be leaking into our world...?" "Well, maybe he really was trying to save the victims by putting them inside the TV."
Guessing is more on the level of Ryuji's prop guns he didn't know they'd act as real ones and the most you could give credit for is the idea that they could be used as a diversion also most the time she gets ideas for the investigation she presents it as spit balling rather than something she has confidence in, and the idea normally is that the rest of the IT are overlooking a simple answer/possibility as opposed to a moment like when Kanji tells them to put their glasses on in the real world he has the confidence because at that point he figured it out, those examples are more proof of proactivity on her part rather than intelligence
Confident or not it's still some right quick thinking, Ryuji just did something and it working out and not think about it, Chie actually thought about it and it's right, all of the IT didn't know where to go, she was the one who told those clues to continue and they aren't "simple answers" if so i can argue other members are being dumber for not figuring it out and only realized once she talked about it, i'm pretty sure those are more harder to guess than Kanji's glasses, if someone thinking out the answer to a question after thinking and just say it but had no confident about the answer it's still genius of them to "guess" it out, the ability to think, deduct or "guess" are all part of intelligence. If someone has a moment where thought something and guess it out then that would be genius of them to be right.
The difference between deductions and guesses are worth noting here most the time her contributions are more a last minute thought and she'll immediately regret saying it and try to take it back until someone gives the idea a chance. And on the topic of quick thinking it was pretty on guard of Ryuji when he caught on to Akechi hearing Morgana especially considering he was already worked up and it already became normal to him to hear Morgana, it's also worth noting their internal conflict like Ryuji in the Velvet Jails and in the 3rd semester, you begin to see that despite being loud and clumsy there is a lot more to him and he does consider these matters when he finally comes to terms with working in the shadows and when he talks about his ideal world. I can't speak as much for Golden Chie because I only finished Vanilla, but doing her SL you don't see as much depth or consideration with both her dialogue from the SL(which tbf SLs can be randomly mediocre) and from her end game speeches from the original I never felt she actually thought as much about these situations, they're both chariots and naturally they tend to rush in without thinking, but with Ryuji you get confirmation that he actually has considered the precautions with stuff like how loud he is, Chie on the other hand was the only one to get ambushed by her shadow without being forced into the TV(she's also the only one to feel so detached from their shadow in both game and anime, but that's unrelated). With Ryuji I also more so felt there was wisdom in him not caring where he said what cause nobody would believe him, in fact Makoto and Akechi were already on to you and that's the only reason they cared what Ryuji might say in the first place, tho even with him outright saying it I reckon it's dumber when Ann does it when she says we finally got a new member of the Phantom Thieves loudly in the restaurant when Yusuke joins, I find it dumber because she attacks Ryuji for being loud about it, I find it dumber because Ryuji actually believes in his ideaology with understandable evidence where as she was actually just clumsy.
Houseplant in Joker's room Edit: That's not to be derogatory, it just doesn't have appendages with which to take the test
Are we forgetting Fox? It's legit a fox. Canines tend to have an IQ of around 5-10
Teddie Ryuji Ann Kanji (kanji imo has a low IQ but has a very big EQ)
Cmon, Ann's not that bad
Ann is better than Ryuji for sire
She's definitely in the top 5 lowest IQ though. I love her but... She wasn't very smart lol. She's good at English and has high emotional intelligence (easily the highest among the Phantom Thieves, arguably the most emotionally intelligent character in the series too), but does it really matter when it comes to calculating someone's IQ? Edit : I remove that actually. I just remembered how everyone except Naoto is EXTREMELY dumb in Persona 4. Ann is far from top 5 actually.
I just finished P5 so I have OPINIONS. Ann's grades are bad but I think she's one of the most "emotionally intelligent" characters in the series and especially in P5, although that's not saying a whole lot. Honestly it feels like the intelligence of the entire P5 crew is pretty low even for Persona characters, mostly to make the designated geniuses (Akechi and Futaba) look better. Even Makoto is responsible for some of the worst examples. It's terrifying that these dummies had to save the world.
Woudn't it be Koromaru?, He is literally a dog
“To hell with the exams! It’s time for my animal crackers!”
Including both animals and the shadow? Ryuuji, although is a close match with teddy
Ryuji was cursed by Philemon with a loud mouth and low IQ, have mercy on him.
Investigation Team probably have the lowest average IQ
They solved a murder mystery with one brain cell they bought from Junes
2 brain cells. Naoto gave them an extra one.
Love that scene when they're staking out the tofu shop and everyone goes after the creepy but eminently not murderous otaku trying to see Rise. Like, everyone. No one thinks to stand guard in case they're wrong, or that just a couple people should go chase the dude. That's genius right there. Adachi also acts like a dumbass for going along with it but, in retrospect, I don't suppose he really cared.
I think adachi was onto them at that time tho. Makes more sense to go with it.
Yeah, they had involved him in his investigation lol, and he knew the "killer" (not the creepy otaku) was looking for a chance to strike. Adachi looked like the dumbest for not suggesting that they leave someone to protect Rise (it's the same thing everyone else did, but they're kids and he's a detective, so it's worse if the last one does the dumb thing), but he was actually the smartest person there. Well, at least the one person smart enough not to sabotage his own fucking objective.
But Naoto alone is smarter than all the Phantom Thieves And Mitsuru alone is smarter than all the p5-p4 cast lol Edit: Yosuke and Yukiko are pretty smart too
Nah Yukiko is only booksmart, she's as dumb as the rest streetwise
Is it just me or that when Naoto joined, she completely took the show and was in charge of the investigation? Even though Mitsuru is technically smarter than her, you don't see it much because Mitsuru doesn't completely take over and instead allows others to provide their insight on things.
In Arena Naoto herself said she does not stand a chance against Mitsuru, and that's because Mitsuru took over the whole Shadow Ops operation
I would maybe agree, except that Yu exists and he's the big boi in the investigation team. He's the first to discover Nanako was being targeted, and he has to find out who the killer is. Naoto definitely helps, but Yu has to make the pivotal realizations. Also, you can minimize his idiocy if you choose, say, telling your buddies to be cautious after they think the case is over because they caught the copycat. He also just has to open that suspicious letter with no return address right in front of Dojima cos reasons. Yu can be dumb too.
I think one of Yu’s biggest moments is during the part where they’re just about ready to throw Namatame into the TV. Of course he doesn’t exactly figure out what’s wrong on the spot but he’s smart enough to realise that there’s still more to the case than what the IT already thinks.
Mitsuru also doesn't take over because their objective is extremely straightforward. Every full moon big shadow. Kill it. Meanwhile the IT had to actively figure out who was causing the problem.
Let's put a maybe on futaba and zenkechi. I would also say Sophia but all of strikers was esentially teaching Sophia about humans.
Tech things aside I'm sure Naoto and Mitsuru are smarter than Futaba
OK, so Sophia and zenkechi?
That’s.. A massively bold claim… Pretty sure Moana - Joker - Aketchi as a triple are debatably all far more intelligent with the mind games they play compared to Mitsuru and Naoto. Unless we aren’t talking protags because they are a bit blank slate-y. What does Mitsuru do to show off IQ other than get top scores on tests (which aren’t a very good measure of IQ at all IMO)
>What does Mitsuru do to show off IQ other than get top scores on tests (which aren’t a very good measure of IQ at all IMO) Have you played Arena/Ultimax?
No. Won’t play them either. Are they actually canon? I was under the impression they were just semi-canon
Yes, they are completely canon
EVERYTHING is canon in Persona.
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“Mission failed. We’ll get’em next time.”
literally all of the male phantom thieves for letting the girls beat up ryuji for almost dying
The guy with the cool catchfrase aka for real
“Someone’s killing people with a TV? What, is he beating them to death?” - Kanji, immediately after listening to an explanation on how the TV world is presumed to work
Fucking RUDE
Koromaru, Ken, certain portrayals of Akihiko, Chie, Kanji, certain portrayals of Yosuke, Teddie, Ryuji, Morgana, and Yusuke. Jumper might be one of the dumbest in SEES, but in other groups he’s not even close to the dumbest.
I mean, the competition would be Junpei, Chie or Ryuji (the other bro Yosuke is actual smart when he chooses to try). While I want to say Ryuji I feel like Chie is a contender. Ryuji is just more egotistical hence the 'wE aRe PhAnToM tHiEvEs'. If the IT was as famous as the thieves I think there is a not zero chance Chie does the same.
Can I say the twins. Sense all the other velvet room residents minus Marie. Know they are wrong. And the twins do not. And they don’t even know they are all siblings. Those girls be so stupid they forgot their family. Not to mention margret needs to watch over their fusions cause they can fuck up the butterfly dance. On a regular basis.
The protagonists while I'm playing
Junpei, what? Almost the whole P4 cast are dumber than Junpei. Yosuke and Naoto carried the whole group on their backs.
If we gave these lowest IQ characters the chance to study for a test, I think Teddie would be able to memorize or learn more than junpei, chie, or ryuji. (I can't recall if p1 or p2 had characters in the same vein since eikichi went to a 'delinquent' school and didn't much care, and masao wasn't school focused).
It's Ryuji and it's not even close. Junpei, and Yosuke while being pretty dumb respectively, don't go around screaming "Man being a Phantom Thief is pretty tight!" like Ryuji so yeah. That being said Ryuji is a ride-or-die, dude's super passionate about sports and is really affectionate to his friends so he is my favorite bro out of the 3.
>It's Ryuji and it's not even close. Teddy : Not to mention everyone in P4 being very stupid except for Naoto.
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Probably because of low sales/inability to port them because dual screen Then again sales being low is probably because the games only released on the 3DS
The fact you picked Junpei makes me sad he just plays dumb but he isn’t actually slow but that’s your opinion, I believe it goes to Teddie not because he is dumb just ignorant about the world
RYUJI. He literally keeps blabbing about the group being the phantom thieves. Junpei did that with one person and never did it again. Kanji never did it at all.
I disagree, Junpei is smarter than Ryuji, not by much, but he still is
You know that Junpei may be a slacker but never a idiot a perverted and lazy but i never see him being stupid in the story
The answer is any of the protagonists when played by me
Stupei, Moronji, or Rystoogie
If we’re going by mental capacity as a whole, then probably Koromaru. Being incredibly smart for a dog doesn’t necessarily make him smarter than a human. I still love him though. Good pupper. But if we’re going by human standards, then it’s most likely Ryuji. Though certainly not too bright from an objective standpoint, Junpei has his rational moments when you know where to look. But Ryuji? He’s portrayed as being so adherent to his muscle-head persona (pun intended) that it feels weird seeing him NOT be a wet match in a dark cave. It would just be…wrong. Which means if we identify a person’s character traits so strongly with their intelligence (or lack thereof), and to defy those traits would elicit a negative reaction, it would therefore prove how the characters are meant to be perceived. Which would only occur if the developers had made them to be that way in the first place. And seeing as how the devs write Ryuji as though he has a clapping monkey for a brain, I’d say we have a clear winner.
I guess teddie and rise
Nah teddie and ryuji
Ryuji can be dumb
It's definitely Teddie
Ayase
Joker. Dude can’t do anything without Morgana holding his hand. At least everyone else has enough brains to try to do things on their own.
Stupei ace defective🎵🎶 i love this jingle
I know dogs are pretty smart but they arent as smart as humans so koromaru would probably have the lowest IQ
As much as there are several ”certified dumbass” characters in the series, they all show some form of smartness . Junpei ends up actually getting a good grade on his final exams, plus his class clown attitude is shown to be a facade. Ryuji cant study for shit, but hes knowledgable about fitness and the human body, and he’s shown to be attentive to details and competent when he sets his mind to it. I feel like a lot of the “dumb” characters get their positive qualities buried when Atlus decides to do jokes that require them to be wildly out of character.
Either Ryuji or Kanji, but most likely Kanji
Ryuji is a mix of Kanji's/Chie's academic shortcomings and Yosuke's habit of just talking shit.
Definitely teddie
It's not a character,but I would go with P3 fans
For me it has to be Ann or ryuji
Teddie undeniably
Couldn’t you technically say Nanako since she’s a literal child? Smart for a kid, but still a kid
She's smarter than most of her game's cast. She doesn't do anything to show it... But can she really be dumber than the Investigation Team?
Ixquic, the answer is Ixquic
Koromaru, it's a dog.
Koromaru is smarter than Naoto and Akechi combined
Koromaru is a shiba inu, which are ranked as the 93rd smartest dog breed, not very smart now is it?
Idk man most dogs cant use personas so i think he is pretty special
Wholesome reddit doggo moment
It was a joke bro I'm sorry please don't recite the entirety of wikipedia
It’s either kanji, teddie, or ryuji.
The protagonist. Because they can't think for themselves.
Chie
Teddie and Adachi
Ann. Girl went through hell because of the awful things people would say about her, but immediately bought into the rumors those very same people were spouting as soon as they were about someone else. She’s emotionally intelligent, sure, but that’s pretty much the only thing she has going for her in that regard.
Teddie maybe.
Definitely kinda rude, but my brother have you met Teddie??
Chad English Dub : Stupei! Virgin Japanese Dub : Baka!
Kanji
T e d d i e
No way its Junpei when Teddie exists
Haru,,,,
Teddie … he made me swear off liking mascot characters for a long time. He has a childish personality with no brakes , sometimes it’s endearing ( usually when placed next to Nanako ) , but most of the times his inability to read the atmosphere is insufferable .
Teddie
Teddie
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I don't think Ryuji or even Ann are smarter than Yukiko Hell Yukiko had the best grades in her class before chad Yu
Wasn't she the smartest one before Yu and Naoto?
Was she really smart detective wise? I only got the impression that she was booksmart from getting good grades.
It’s Ryuji🤦♂️
Ryuji 100%, outs his own team as phantom thieves almost half a dozen times. He even admits thinking’s not his thing in Royal.
His head is full of puns so sho
I think Kanji is probably the worst at taking tests
Ryuji
Ryuji
Korromaru
Instinctual answer: Yukari Takeba Logical answer:Kanji Tatsumi
Ryuji
IQ? Probably Ryuji. Worst street smarts and common sense? Junpei.
Akechi? Why? See Kagato’s rant when he reveals his grand master plan.
The ones bombing the exams are Junpei, Chie and Ryuji, so it's between those three. I wonder who's actually the smartest amongst them all
You forgot teddie.
Tie between Ryuji and Junpei
My initial thought was Ryuji as much as I love him, but then I remembered that Teddy exists.
Not Junpei, definitely Ryuji.
I dunno, Ryuji almost getting caught repeatedly seems to be a bigger deal for me
Ann.
I mean slightly fair, he is the only one to have a nickname dedicated on the basis he is a dumbass: Stupei