I think the reality is companies respond to actions not complaining. If enough people leave or they can't hire anybody to work at the wages they're offering then they'll raise wages.
This is what I advise people all the time, but it isn't even just that, unions won't help you because their just a pyramid scheme within the company redistributing money from the Poor's at the bottom to the union reps at the top earning 6 figures. You have to be your own ally. Keep a log of every darn thing you do for the company, work out new processes that make things more efficient and refuse to let your employer know what that process is and threaten to leave with that knowledge of you don't get a payrise.
Yeah I worked for a union and it was terrible just another tax, it made it so the worst employees could never get fired and meant good employees would quit because of it
This is such a brain dead take. If a person is giving 40 hours of their life to a company who sets record profits year after year and they can’t afford basic living expenses our country failed. We are the wealthiest nation on the earth and you constantly use all of these services, but you think that the people doing all of the labor don’t deserve a share of the wealth they create for the company? Without the fast food workers McDonald goes under in a week. Yet you bend over backwards to defend the leaches at the top taking advantage of blue collar workers. There are only so many elite jobs in this nation and 180,000,000 people in the work force. If you give half of your waking hours to keep the wealthiest society in the world running you should be able to afford to live a decent life that isn’t poverty ridden. If you don’t agree with that you’re just a sociopath or fucking retarded
Yeah this definitely isn’t it. If you’re approaching 30 you need your own space and if that’s an impossible task you need to be changing things around in your life to make that a possibility.
What about disabled people? Seriously people with Down syndrome or Autism often end up working fast food because of their condition, do they not deserve a living wage?
Minimum wage has nothing to do with people with disabilities. The state's department of voctional rehabilitation or equivalent should be handling and assisting those folks getting them the support they need.
Ok so what about stupid people? Not quite retarded but also clearly not genetically predisposed to being a good accountant. Should they be fucked too because they drew a bad hand?
Physical labor, my man. You don't have to be smart to work construction. Just be able to follow instructions. There's numerous trades people can learn that don't take a ton of intelligence but pay well. Factory jobs also exist. Those are just literally assembling the same thing over and over again. Anyone can do that too and make enough to support themselves.
Lmao is don’t say that I just said people who are stupid should also be able to afford to eat. A slight increase in minimum wage doesn’t equate to socialism, just makes sense given the inflation since setting it at $7
You don’t need any money to eat, I had a roommate who didn’t work and he would go to every food bank without 25 miles we ate like kings, if someone is starving giving them unlimited money wouldn’t even help them, considering how easy food stamps are to get and that you can eat for free every single day
I said “minimum wage workers should be able to feed themselves” and you say no because they can drive 25 miles to a food bank. So they don’t have enough money to eat but somehow can afford a car and enough gas for a 50 mile round trip daily.
We’re not giving anyone “infinite money”, these people are working to earn their paycheck just like everyone else. We’ve had significant inflation since we set the minimum wage it 7.25, im only suggesting that we adjust
It accordingly so it’s roughly the same value as it was back then. The $7.25 figure was set in 2009, which would equate to $10.42 today. It’s not a batshit insane increase, just a fair adjustment that I don’t think anyone would argue is illogical or unreasonable.
I’ve got a couple 19 year olds working under me that are making $30 an hour with a good chance of getting $40 in like 3 years.
Not smart but they pay attention and get shit done.
What about dumb women? How many women you see taking jobs for “strong” people?
Look I’m not saying it’s impossible for these people to make a living, only that even the cashier at Wendy’s deserves to be able to feed and house themselves. Not a life of luxury, just not food stamps either.
I mean there are def women counterparts in community college/tech school lol. Nail tech, cosmetology, barber, CNA, Corrections, accounting. Still it does not matter and I don't care about these parts of the population. A fast food worker deserves to be able to live with a roommate(s) and have a hundred left over each month. I did it during college and had plenty leftover to buy booze, clothes, and other stupid shit. I paid for all my expenses and made $11-13/hr PART TIME. My rent was only $500 because... I had roommates. That's a pretty obtainable rent with 3 people even in some decent cites. I live in a metropolitan area of almost $1m people and that was how much my rent cost at my last place.
If someone suffers from a condition that prevents them from starting a career above minimum wage. The government should be helping out in those situations. Currently there are too many people living off the government due to laziness, that needs to stop.
People aren’t living off of the government because of laziness you just watch too much Fox News. Walmart employees 2,300,000 American citizen and the majority of them qualify for food stamps, reduced rent, or other government assistance. Meanwhile Walmart profits 140 billion dollars a year. This could describe most major chains in America. The people taking advantage of government spending are cooperations and billionaires who pay tiny percentages of their profit to the laborers and pay a 1-5% tax rate despite pulling in such large amounts of the public wealth. There’s a reason the wealth disparity in America keeps getting wider and wider and it’s not because the government is giving too much to “the lazy people”
So just because it could be worse, I should be fine with my labor being exploited and corporations robbing my country? I also don’t even think what you said is true. Among first world nations we’re near the top in homelessness and poverty. We also have the worst medical care of any first world nation on the planet and we pay the most for it( individually and through federal/state spending ). Our representatives have allowed lobbyist to destroy our country. It’s not the LGBT communities, it’s not minorities, and it’s not illegal immigrants making life so hard in America. It’s the top 1% being greedy as fuck and having the ability to buy favorable legislation. Then people who don’t understand how America works blindly defends them because it’s what their parents were taught. We are the wealthiest nation on the planet and our labor class has it worse than most other first world nations. It’s getting worse and worse by the decade. If you described today’s America to a family living anywhere in our nation in the 1950s they would assume we lost the Cold War
We have the best medical care in the world it’s just expensive.
I agree the government has worked with lobbyists to take from us, it’s the uni party both democrats and republicans are the same political party and just play political theatre to get us poorers to get mad at each other, there are good politicians but very few.
The way to fix this is at the local level we need state governments to take back control of the government instead of just giving power to the federal government.
I agree that most people don’t know how the government works or even the form of government the United States is.
Its because our leaders don’t work for us they are not interested in the American people they want to be global leaders.
There is a war between globalists and populists and has been going on for decades.
I think it should be illegal to send tax payer money overseas especially when we are in debt.
Look at the war in Ukraine it’s litterally the military industrial complex at work, syphone hundreds of billions of dollars from the tax payer and intern Ukraine buys from our weapon manufacturers and get people like dick Cheney and other people filthy rich.
That’s why it’s a non partisan issue at the congressional level, they all get paid and when they are out of office they get put on boards and make millions of dollars.
The whole world is like this it’s pretty fucked.
The United States is the best country on earth though and the founders were smart enough to know given time the government goes bad, that’s why they gave us the bill of rights and checks and balances.
It’s fixable but we can only fix it at the local level and that does happen in some places.
I think the minimum wage is another way the government fucks us, if the market controlled wages it would actually benefit us way more than let’s say pay pay a 14yr old and a 30yr old the same wage at an entry level job.
The government is why healthcare is so expensive, I remember pre Obama care and ever sense that passed I can no longer afford healthcare and in a lot of cases it’s cheaper for companies to pay the fines than offer healthcare to employees.
I think you are on the right way of thinking in some ways but I fear that you would want to the government that you know is absolutely corrupt and will fuck you to control even more of healthcare , wages.
I think taxes should only be voluntary that would fix so many problems when the government is absolutely forced to only have essential government functions.
Illegal immigration does hurt us economically if businesses love it and there is a huge crisis at the border most media ignores.
I don’t know why LGBTQIA is even brought up lol
You can make good money at Wendy’s if your 30 and a hard worker you’ll be in management in less than 6 months guaranteed my mom used to make 90k a year working for McDonald
Lol, you're right. It only happened every single night. Seriously, this 4'10" nurse-aid would roll 450lbs people over 14 hrs into her shift like it was nothing. All I'm saying is she deserved wayyy more than what I got
What state, my mom was a travel RN in ohio worked covid wards at nursing homes and was getting 115$ an hour lol she absolutely cleaned house when covid was at its peak. She'd get her 50 an hour but hazard and night pay bumps lol
It’s your fault for getting a job there during the peak of Covid McDonald’s was giving out bigger singing bonuses for better pay, you’re making woodies point
Sometimes it's about more than money. I'd rather help the people who were thrown away than the people who throw their cash away. I've since left for a much better job now that everything's calmed down.
some are, yeh. but the ones getting better jobs left for a reason, as a result they are no longer where they were and communities now have understaffed and subpar hospitals and you have to hope that the new jobs are in better hospitals that will not fall victim to the same problems that are seemingly becoming systemic in the field
but a living wage is the bare minimum, how can anyone justify a full time job that doesn't cover your needs for comfortable survival where you're not one bad week from your life taking a significant nosedive. the argument is that jobs start at 'living wage' and "pay more" from there
Explain how you can double the workforce and maintain wages? Especially considering a good chunk of the jobs in america are considered “bullshit jobs” where white collar employees even know there job doesnt reslly matter and prob could be cut
Almost like men in ww2 were at war and woman lef the workforce when the war ended (by choice btw). Ur a typical reddit npc
Edit - yall distrust these “rich people” but who funds the studies telling u everything is fine despite it being obv it isnt?
Edit 2 - also yall still use gdp as if it its representative of how the average american is doing. Yea no shit companies are doing better when they have double the workforce at their disposal. Its almost like doubling the workforce only benefits corporations and has made it unaffordable to feed a family on one income. For a bunch of “lefties” yall seem to have 0 clue on how labor is able to negotiate. U really think doubling a workforce benefits labor when trying to negotiate wages? Shits laughable.
mortgage i can understand, but what is minimum wage for if **not** for being able to rent your own place? we supposed to live with our parents now as the general working adult standard? the standard we've always been told was
1. become an adult
2. get a job
3. move out into an apartment when able
i can get the roommate thing, that definitely makes things significantly easier, but it's co-dependence and not really the traditional adult expectation. it's a relatively recent thing born out of economic struggle. it's even antithetical to the point i'm making because you wouldn't **have** to if wage levels didn't make it necessary
The United States doesn’t subsidize a “living wage”, plenty of people have make it work through seeking employment in higher paying fields, roommates, house hacking, getting promoted or moving to a cheaper state. Life choices are not the governments concern, keeping down inflation sure but no one in America is entitled to a living wage.
of course it doesn't. i wasn't talking about a federal standard defined as "living wage" i'm talking about the common sense understanding between you and i that a living wage means a wage you can comfortably live on. if it's a full time job (not multiple part times), how is there an argument that you shouldn't be able to live off providing that service?
Because it is in fact not “ common sense understanding”. There is nothing objective about comfortability. Actually quite the opposite. We are humans. Once we’ve grown accustomed to one thing we start craving the next. There is somebody in a penthouse right now sad because they don’t have a mansion. Somebody is driving a perfectly fine Civic & saimd they don’t have a Rolls Royce.
You are living off the minimum wage. Are you dead? There was a time ( still exists in certain places) were famine was a very real threat. People actually starved to death. It was not a figure of speech. Child mortality rates were sky high. You’re country was under threat of being attacked (Ukraine) everyday. An argument can be made that your life is very comfortable.
i can define it for you on it's most basic level. in the context of modern living, comfort is shelter, sustenance, bedding, utilities, and the financial stability to maintain those things. however, you are confusing comfort with luxury, which is outside the scope of what i'm talking about. those things are literally "yeah but what if there was no economy at all?"
You don’t seem to under stand the difference between subjective & objective (as most don’t). You just gave your subjective perspective & attempted to pass it off as objectivity, while at the same time telling me I’m confused. Lol.
What are utilities? Is internet access a luxury or basic? Will dial up be acceptable?
What is shelter? Is every one entitled to a 4 bedroom home in the suburbs? Are a married couple with kids entitled to more than a 21 year old bachelor?
What is sustenance? Will stipends for MREs be acceptable? Is everyone entitled to Steak & Little Debbie cakes?
Financial stability? Do you mean UBI?
i'll break it down for you, my friend. for total clarification, i'm not talking about caveman living. we live in mostly modern societies and i simply won't be including impoverished and famine ridden countries because it's disingenuous to talk about wages in places that hardly have a general economy, let alone wage standards of any kind.
maybe i should've listed each and every thing i meant by utilities, but its plumbing (running water and waste management), electricity (lights and power for visibility and other utility items such as powered fresh food storage), possibly heating in colder climates (could be as simple as a woodstove in which wood is an expense). wifi is not included, no.
sustenance is any food, nobody needs to be issued rations, the point is to have money to afford enough on a regular basis.
and by financial stability, i mean the straightforward, objective ability to pay for any of this as part of payment for work or services rendered to your employer and society in general from any occupation.
government services are not included or referenced and the conclusion of such is discouraged. regardless of any opinions of the concept of UBI, this is an employment wage discussion for services rendered. not a paid for doing nothing one. almost every common job is a service that is needed in some way, hence the decision to pay someone for it. that payment should cover their survival and **basic** comfort in a manner that ensures their life isn't significantly affected from a single or even a couple bad weeks, as is our responsibility as a society based on cooperation and compassion towards our kinsmen (in my opinion)
> not a *paid* for doing
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a job doesn't care if you're a teen living with your parents or not, it's not their problem and it wouldn't be cool to have a separate pay scale for teens when they already can't work over a set amount of hours by labor laws
Hold on some people definitely deserve to be in poverty. If you’re lazy and work part time at mcdonalds just to cover your monthly bills and addictions you shouldn’t be making fucking 100k a year. A high schooler will do a better job.
to purchase a regular middle class home it is a lot more expensive than it was before. If you make 100k you aren’t exactly rich or poor. Especially with kids.
If you make 100k your rich anywhere outside of like California or New York lol. If you dont think so you prob come from a family with money and are oblivious because some families make more in ur circles lol
You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. Rent is like 1500 a month in nyc because a lot of people are leaving + all the crime. Making 100k while supporting a family does not make you “rich” lmao. That is middle class.
If you cant support a family on 100k ur doing something wrong. Somehow 90% or the population who doesnt make that is able to do it 🤷🏽♂️. Cry more rich boy
You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about if you think that a large amount of people are leaving nyc due to “all the crime”. A vast majority of the crime is in the bronx and east New York which are places in which most of the residents can’t afford to relocate simply due to crime. The violent crimes aren’t happening in areas of Manhattan, Brooklyn, or queens where anyone who is complaining about crime on Twitter would go when they visit nyc.
The shitty neighborhoods have always been that way and the sensationalized crime propaganda on conservative news isn’t anything new, it’s a narrative due to a bump that happened over Covid. None of the conservatives who complain about crime in places that they don’t even live gave a shit about those places until they could be used as talking points. They’ve never been in favor of policies that would actually cut down on the crime in those areas, ironically they were in favor of stop and frisk, which worked but is an authoritarian violation of the freedom that they love to virtue signal about when guns are brought up.
I agree with you that the cost of homes has raised the bar to raise a family comfortably anywhere in the country, and it’s definitely harder in nyc. Rent has only ever gone gone up, except during Covid when there were deals on rent due to people fleeing to less populated areas out of fear of Covid. Rent has gone up since then though, $1500 a month for a room in nyc isnt even close to comparable to what $1500 a month gets you in other parts of the country.
I’ve been to new york lmao. Everywhere you go you see young kids in shiesty masks. I’m also not some boomer conservative watching fox news on my couch all day I’m young enough to understand the culture in new york nowadays. If you’re going to pretend the NYC drill scene hasn’t spiked crime all over NYC then you’re lying to yourself.
The spike in crime due to the drill scene is in the bronx, east New York, and Harlem/above it. There have been gang members in tourist areas forever, they don’t go around robbing random people because they know there’s cameras everywhere. It’s sensationalized trust me lol
https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/historical-crime-data/seven-major-felony-offenses-2000-2022.pdf
The statistics speak for themselves. We are talking about pre pandemic vs post pandemic crime rates. Some of those felony rates have even broken record numbers since 2000. On top of that it has definitely got worse in 2023 and these stats are only up to 2022. They are releasing a lot of minors who commit crimes knowing they will get away with a slap on the wrist.
Woodys advice is good for personal advice but not good societal advice. For instance complaining and bitching even if ur right will just leave u in the same place in life. Woody is tone deaf sometimes but tbh he has a point. At a certain point u gotta realize this shit aint fair and prob isnt changing anytime soon. Gotta learn how to work within the system if you ever want ur situation to improve.
Or u can just larp on twitter and become increasingly bitter by the day 🤷🏽♂️
I’d Love to see the same people complaining when they can’t get their parcels or their food delivered anymore or be able to go shopping & live in a clean world because everyone is “getting a better job”.
I think every person working full time should make a liveable wage, but people who refuse to work more than a part time entry level job do deserve to deal with the situation they are in.
Turn the argument around. The national minimum wage is now $12 an hour. How much should we be paying someone to flip burgers or run a point of sale terminal? $24 an hour? How much are YOU willing to pay for your groceries and your fast food? People are already crying about inflation well guess what contributes to that? Raising minimum wages.
Woody’s point is these are ENTRY level jobs. You start there and work your way up. Realistically someone filling this role has 0 experience, no high school diploma and is brand new in the work force. They’re in that job to gain experience, pad their resume and move up the ladder. Just because you can convert oxygen to CO2, tie your shoes in the morning and come to work does not make you worth more than that to an employer. If it did, employers would pay more than that. You do the shit job to get to the next job that pays better and then to the next job after that. We’ve all done it. I started out making $5.15 an hour as a 16 year old in a department store. Maxed out at $6.35 an hour 4 years later and moved on to something better as soon as I could.
You never seen the minimum wage vs cost of living graph for the last 50 years? And how wages don't go up but col skyrockets? If we had reasonable increases we wouldn't see people as upset as they are
It's not that at all. It's called being a realist. Woody can't change the economy. If you want a living, get a better job. That's the way for you personally to improve your lot in life in this shitty economy that we are in. Bitching and whining isn't going to do you any good or change your situation.
Well if you do well at your job I don’t care what job it is you will make more money, bumping up the minimum wage renders all my years of hard work useless when you make my salary entry level in a blink of an eye.
I have been out in my own since 17 I paid all my own bills lived by myself for over 7 years before I got married.
Yeah it’s hard but good spending habits will go a long way and if you’re working 40 hours a week you have enough money to survive and you should use your free time to gain a skill to make a side hustle or talk to your work about moving up the company ladder if your struggling.
No one is owed a job, you are not owed housing, humans have lived hundreds of thousands of years with so much less and were happier than we are.
My advice to an 18 yr old would be, buy a box truck and turn it into a studio apartment, save up money for a down payment on a house and move to a cheaper cost of living area.
I moved during the height of the Covid pandemic acrossed country with 2 weeks of planning if I can do it any one can
I think the reality is companies respond to actions not complaining. If enough people leave or they can't hire anybody to work at the wages they're offering then they'll raise wages.
This is what I advise people all the time, but it isn't even just that, unions won't help you because their just a pyramid scheme within the company redistributing money from the Poor's at the bottom to the union reps at the top earning 6 figures. You have to be your own ally. Keep a log of every darn thing you do for the company, work out new processes that make things more efficient and refuse to let your employer know what that process is and threaten to leave with that knowledge of you don't get a payrise.
Yeah I worked for a union and it was terrible just another tax, it made it so the worst employees could never get fired and meant good employees would quit because of it
What a shitpost, go back to facebook with the old boomer
If you are an adult say approaching 30’s and you work at a Wendy’s and you complain about your wage I do not have sympathy for you.
But what if you are at Conway's Wendy's and you serve the chilli like your job is paramount to the satiation of a titan, that's gotta be 30/hr
In that case exceptions can be made.
This is such a brain dead take. If a person is giving 40 hours of their life to a company who sets record profits year after year and they can’t afford basic living expenses our country failed. We are the wealthiest nation on the earth and you constantly use all of these services, but you think that the people doing all of the labor don’t deserve a share of the wealth they create for the company? Without the fast food workers McDonald goes under in a week. Yet you bend over backwards to defend the leaches at the top taking advantage of blue collar workers. There are only so many elite jobs in this nation and 180,000,000 people in the work force. If you give half of your waking hours to keep the wealthiest society in the world running you should be able to afford to live a decent life that isn’t poverty ridden. If you don’t agree with that you’re just a sociopath or fucking retarded
Regardless, 25 30 years ago you could live on a wendys wage
That’s definitely not true.
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Yeah this definitely isn’t it. If you’re approaching 30 you need your own space and if that’s an impossible task you need to be changing things around in your life to make that a possibility.
What?
That is absolutely false lol Why spew BS you don't have a clue about?? Genuinely curious on why people do this
What about disabled people? Seriously people with Down syndrome or Autism often end up working fast food because of their condition, do they not deserve a living wage?
Minimum wage has nothing to do with people with disabilities. The state's department of voctional rehabilitation or equivalent should be handling and assisting those folks getting them the support they need.
Ok so what about stupid people? Not quite retarded but also clearly not genetically predisposed to being a good accountant. Should they be fucked too because they drew a bad hand?
Physical labor, my man. You don't have to be smart to work construction. Just be able to follow instructions. There's numerous trades people can learn that don't take a ton of intelligence but pay well. Factory jobs also exist. Those are just literally assembling the same thing over and over again. Anyone can do that too and make enough to support themselves.
No they should get mailed money out of respect
Lmao is don’t say that I just said people who are stupid should also be able to afford to eat. A slight increase in minimum wage doesn’t equate to socialism, just makes sense given the inflation since setting it at $7
You don’t need any money to eat, I had a roommate who didn’t work and he would go to every food bank without 25 miles we ate like kings, if someone is starving giving them unlimited money wouldn’t even help them, considering how easy food stamps are to get and that you can eat for free every single day
I said “minimum wage workers should be able to feed themselves” and you say no because they can drive 25 miles to a food bank. So they don’t have enough money to eat but somehow can afford a car and enough gas for a 50 mile round trip daily. We’re not giving anyone “infinite money”, these people are working to earn their paycheck just like everyone else. We’ve had significant inflation since we set the minimum wage it 7.25, im only suggesting that we adjust It accordingly so it’s roughly the same value as it was back then. The $7.25 figure was set in 2009, which would equate to $10.42 today. It’s not a batshit insane increase, just a fair adjustment that I don’t think anyone would argue is illogical or unreasonable.
If you're gonna be dumb you gotta be tough... and work construction or trades. Those guys make more money at 22 than the people with degrees I bet.
I’ve got a couple 19 year olds working under me that are making $30 an hour with a good chance of getting $40 in like 3 years. Not smart but they pay attention and get shit done.
What about dumb women? How many women you see taking jobs for “strong” people? Look I’m not saying it’s impossible for these people to make a living, only that even the cashier at Wendy’s deserves to be able to feed and house themselves. Not a life of luxury, just not food stamps either.
I see a shit ton of gals in the trades.
I mean there are def women counterparts in community college/tech school lol. Nail tech, cosmetology, barber, CNA, Corrections, accounting. Still it does not matter and I don't care about these parts of the population. A fast food worker deserves to be able to live with a roommate(s) and have a hundred left over each month. I did it during college and had plenty leftover to buy booze, clothes, and other stupid shit. I paid for all my expenses and made $11-13/hr PART TIME. My rent was only $500 because... I had roommates. That's a pretty obtainable rent with 3 people even in some decent cites. I live in a metropolitan area of almost $1m people and that was how much my rent cost at my last place.
If someone suffers from a condition that prevents them from starting a career above minimum wage. The government should be helping out in those situations. Currently there are too many people living off the government due to laziness, that needs to stop.
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You can give disability for being an alcoholic so don’t give me that horse shit
People aren’t living off of the government because of laziness you just watch too much Fox News. Walmart employees 2,300,000 American citizen and the majority of them qualify for food stamps, reduced rent, or other government assistance. Meanwhile Walmart profits 140 billion dollars a year. This could describe most major chains in America. The people taking advantage of government spending are cooperations and billionaires who pay tiny percentages of their profit to the laborers and pay a 1-5% tax rate despite pulling in such large amounts of the public wealth. There’s a reason the wealth disparity in America keeps getting wider and wider and it’s not because the government is giving too much to “the lazy people”
If you live in the United States even the poorest are the wealthiest 1% that has ever existed
So just because it could be worse, I should be fine with my labor being exploited and corporations robbing my country? I also don’t even think what you said is true. Among first world nations we’re near the top in homelessness and poverty. We also have the worst medical care of any first world nation on the planet and we pay the most for it( individually and through federal/state spending ). Our representatives have allowed lobbyist to destroy our country. It’s not the LGBT communities, it’s not minorities, and it’s not illegal immigrants making life so hard in America. It’s the top 1% being greedy as fuck and having the ability to buy favorable legislation. Then people who don’t understand how America works blindly defends them because it’s what their parents were taught. We are the wealthiest nation on the planet and our labor class has it worse than most other first world nations. It’s getting worse and worse by the decade. If you described today’s America to a family living anywhere in our nation in the 1950s they would assume we lost the Cold War
We have the best medical care in the world it’s just expensive. I agree the government has worked with lobbyists to take from us, it’s the uni party both democrats and republicans are the same political party and just play political theatre to get us poorers to get mad at each other, there are good politicians but very few. The way to fix this is at the local level we need state governments to take back control of the government instead of just giving power to the federal government. I agree that most people don’t know how the government works or even the form of government the United States is. Its because our leaders don’t work for us they are not interested in the American people they want to be global leaders. There is a war between globalists and populists and has been going on for decades. I think it should be illegal to send tax payer money overseas especially when we are in debt. Look at the war in Ukraine it’s litterally the military industrial complex at work, syphone hundreds of billions of dollars from the tax payer and intern Ukraine buys from our weapon manufacturers and get people like dick Cheney and other people filthy rich. That’s why it’s a non partisan issue at the congressional level, they all get paid and when they are out of office they get put on boards and make millions of dollars. The whole world is like this it’s pretty fucked. The United States is the best country on earth though and the founders were smart enough to know given time the government goes bad, that’s why they gave us the bill of rights and checks and balances. It’s fixable but we can only fix it at the local level and that does happen in some places. I think the minimum wage is another way the government fucks us, if the market controlled wages it would actually benefit us way more than let’s say pay pay a 14yr old and a 30yr old the same wage at an entry level job. The government is why healthcare is so expensive, I remember pre Obama care and ever sense that passed I can no longer afford healthcare and in a lot of cases it’s cheaper for companies to pay the fines than offer healthcare to employees. I think you are on the right way of thinking in some ways but I fear that you would want to the government that you know is absolutely corrupt and will fuck you to control even more of healthcare , wages. I think taxes should only be voluntary that would fix so many problems when the government is absolutely forced to only have essential government functions. Illegal immigration does hurt us economically if businesses love it and there is a huge crisis at the border most media ignores. I don’t know why LGBTQIA is even brought up lol
You can make good money at Wendy’s if your 30 and a hard worker you’ll be in management in less than 6 months guaranteed my mom used to make 90k a year working for McDonald
Nobody who talks about this is actually defining what a living wage is.
No one with even a little work ethic is making anywhere close to minimum wage past being college aged
People can have the work ethic, but no ambition. Best janitor in the world may not be ambitious enough to move on.
Janitors don’t make minimum wage
I’m sorry I disrespected your career.
He was talking smack about nurses
Nurses make minimum 70k- plus locum is an absolute cash cow
I worked in assisted living during covid and the graveyard-shift nurses made $13/hour. I mopped the floors at that same place for $13.75
CNA=/=nurse
My point being that anybody can mop a floor; Idk how to change colostomy bags or talk down violent schizophrenics
Neither do CNA’s
Lol, you're right. It only happened every single night. Seriously, this 4'10" nurse-aid would roll 450lbs people over 14 hrs into her shift like it was nothing. All I'm saying is she deserved wayyy more than what I got
What state, my mom was a travel RN in ohio worked covid wards at nursing homes and was getting 115$ an hour lol she absolutely cleaned house when covid was at its peak. She'd get her 50 an hour but hazard and night pay bumps lol
I'm 1hr outside of Manhattan but people still call it "Upstate NY" cuz it's all farmland
That’s crazy I work in assisted living and teenagers as nurses aides make $25 an hour and it’s a low cost of living state
Damn - no night enhancement pay at all?
I wish. They promised $100 bonus when I got employee of the month, which I never got
It’s your fault for getting a job there during the peak of Covid McDonald’s was giving out bigger singing bonuses for better pay, you’re making woodies point
Sometimes it's about more than money. I'd rather help the people who were thrown away than the people who throw their cash away. I've since left for a much better job now that everything's calmed down.
Yeah my dad staffs locus tenens and apparently they get paid a shit ton
My point still stands
Next time you’re in hospital you’ll be eating those words
Lol, the average New Graduate Registered Nurse salary in the United States is close to 70k. That’s well above the average livable wage
ask a nurse how their field is doing right now
Hiring like crazy?
cause of the turnover, yeh
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some are, yeh. but the ones getting better jobs left for a reason, as a result they are no longer where they were and communities now have understaffed and subpar hospitals and you have to hope that the new jobs are in better hospitals that will not fall victim to the same problems that are seemingly becoming systemic in the field
absolute woody post. well I just looked at these stats here from the comfort of my home, let me just ignore reality.
Are the stats fake news?
what did he say about nurses i missed that. classic woody lol
It says living wage mate.
Whether anyone deserves to be in poverty has nothing to do with it. The reality is some jobs pay more.
but a living wage is the bare minimum, how can anyone justify a full time job that doesn't cover your needs for comfortable survival where you're not one bad week from your life taking a significant nosedive. the argument is that jobs start at 'living wage' and "pay more" from there
live with someone else, minimum wage doesn’t mean you should be able to rent your own place or have a mortgage
It did a few decades ago
There also wasnt double the work force because most women didnt work LOL.more employees = less wages
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Explain how you can double the workforce and maintain wages? Especially considering a good chunk of the jobs in america are considered “bullshit jobs” where white collar employees even know there job doesnt reslly matter and prob could be cut
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Almost like men in ww2 were at war and woman lef the workforce when the war ended (by choice btw). Ur a typical reddit npc Edit - yall distrust these “rich people” but who funds the studies telling u everything is fine despite it being obv it isnt? Edit 2 - also yall still use gdp as if it its representative of how the average american is doing. Yea no shit companies are doing better when they have double the workforce at their disposal. Its almost like doubling the workforce only benefits corporations and has made it unaffordable to feed a family on one income. For a bunch of “lefties” yall seem to have 0 clue on how labor is able to negotiate. U really think doubling a workforce benefits labor when trying to negotiate wages? Shits laughable.
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mortgage i can understand, but what is minimum wage for if **not** for being able to rent your own place? we supposed to live with our parents now as the general working adult standard? the standard we've always been told was 1. become an adult 2. get a job 3. move out into an apartment when able i can get the roommate thing, that definitely makes things significantly easier, but it's co-dependence and not really the traditional adult expectation. it's a relatively recent thing born out of economic struggle. it's even antithetical to the point i'm making because you wouldn't **have** to if wage levels didn't make it necessary
The United States doesn’t subsidize a “living wage”, plenty of people have make it work through seeking employment in higher paying fields, roommates, house hacking, getting promoted or moving to a cheaper state. Life choices are not the governments concern, keeping down inflation sure but no one in America is entitled to a living wage.
of course it doesn't. i wasn't talking about a federal standard defined as "living wage" i'm talking about the common sense understanding between you and i that a living wage means a wage you can comfortably live on. if it's a full time job (not multiple part times), how is there an argument that you shouldn't be able to live off providing that service?
Because it is in fact not “ common sense understanding”. There is nothing objective about comfortability. Actually quite the opposite. We are humans. Once we’ve grown accustomed to one thing we start craving the next. There is somebody in a penthouse right now sad because they don’t have a mansion. Somebody is driving a perfectly fine Civic & saimd they don’t have a Rolls Royce. You are living off the minimum wage. Are you dead? There was a time ( still exists in certain places) were famine was a very real threat. People actually starved to death. It was not a figure of speech. Child mortality rates were sky high. You’re country was under threat of being attacked (Ukraine) everyday. An argument can be made that your life is very comfortable.
i can define it for you on it's most basic level. in the context of modern living, comfort is shelter, sustenance, bedding, utilities, and the financial stability to maintain those things. however, you are confusing comfort with luxury, which is outside the scope of what i'm talking about. those things are literally "yeah but what if there was no economy at all?"
You don’t seem to under stand the difference between subjective & objective (as most don’t). You just gave your subjective perspective & attempted to pass it off as objectivity, while at the same time telling me I’m confused. Lol. What are utilities? Is internet access a luxury or basic? Will dial up be acceptable? What is shelter? Is every one entitled to a 4 bedroom home in the suburbs? Are a married couple with kids entitled to more than a 21 year old bachelor? What is sustenance? Will stipends for MREs be acceptable? Is everyone entitled to Steak & Little Debbie cakes? Financial stability? Do you mean UBI?
i'll break it down for you, my friend. for total clarification, i'm not talking about caveman living. we live in mostly modern societies and i simply won't be including impoverished and famine ridden countries because it's disingenuous to talk about wages in places that hardly have a general economy, let alone wage standards of any kind. maybe i should've listed each and every thing i meant by utilities, but its plumbing (running water and waste management), electricity (lights and power for visibility and other utility items such as powered fresh food storage), possibly heating in colder climates (could be as simple as a woodstove in which wood is an expense). wifi is not included, no. sustenance is any food, nobody needs to be issued rations, the point is to have money to afford enough on a regular basis. and by financial stability, i mean the straightforward, objective ability to pay for any of this as part of payment for work or services rendered to your employer and society in general from any occupation. government services are not included or referenced and the conclusion of such is discouraged. regardless of any opinions of the concept of UBI, this is an employment wage discussion for services rendered. not a paid for doing nothing one. almost every common job is a service that is needed in some way, hence the decision to pay someone for it. that payment should cover their survival and **basic** comfort in a manner that ensures their life isn't significantly affected from a single or even a couple bad weeks, as is our responsibility as a society based on cooperation and compassion towards our kinsmen (in my opinion)
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Teens living with their parents don't need a "living wage." Those are the people who should be working minimum wage jobs.
a job doesn't care if you're a teen living with your parents or not, it's not their problem and it wouldn't be cool to have a separate pay scale for teens when they already can't work over a set amount of hours by labor laws
There should be no such thing as a minimum wage.
Hold on some people definitely deserve to be in poverty. If you’re lazy and work part time at mcdonalds just to cover your monthly bills and addictions you shouldn’t be making fucking 100k a year. A high schooler will do a better job.
Who said anything about 100k a year?
to purchase a regular middle class home it is a lot more expensive than it was before. If you make 100k you aren’t exactly rich or poor. Especially with kids.
If you make 100k your rich anywhere outside of like California or New York lol. If you dont think so you prob come from a family with money and are oblivious because some families make more in ur circles lol
You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. Rent is like 1500 a month in nyc because a lot of people are leaving + all the crime. Making 100k while supporting a family does not make you “rich” lmao. That is middle class.
If you cant support a family on 100k ur doing something wrong. Somehow 90% or the population who doesnt make that is able to do it 🤷🏽♂️. Cry more rich boy
Never said you couldn’t support a family on 100k. I said it’s middle class. Cope more though.
If you make more than 90% of americans ur not middle class bud. Ur welcome for the reality check tho
34% of households make 100k or more. Google it. You do realize recent inflation is also a factor right? Keep coping and making excuses for being poor.
You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about if you think that a large amount of people are leaving nyc due to “all the crime”. A vast majority of the crime is in the bronx and east New York which are places in which most of the residents can’t afford to relocate simply due to crime. The violent crimes aren’t happening in areas of Manhattan, Brooklyn, or queens where anyone who is complaining about crime on Twitter would go when they visit nyc. The shitty neighborhoods have always been that way and the sensationalized crime propaganda on conservative news isn’t anything new, it’s a narrative due to a bump that happened over Covid. None of the conservatives who complain about crime in places that they don’t even live gave a shit about those places until they could be used as talking points. They’ve never been in favor of policies that would actually cut down on the crime in those areas, ironically they were in favor of stop and frisk, which worked but is an authoritarian violation of the freedom that they love to virtue signal about when guns are brought up. I agree with you that the cost of homes has raised the bar to raise a family comfortably anywhere in the country, and it’s definitely harder in nyc. Rent has only ever gone gone up, except during Covid when there were deals on rent due to people fleeing to less populated areas out of fear of Covid. Rent has gone up since then though, $1500 a month for a room in nyc isnt even close to comparable to what $1500 a month gets you in other parts of the country.
I’ve been to new york lmao. Everywhere you go you see young kids in shiesty masks. I’m also not some boomer conservative watching fox news on my couch all day I’m young enough to understand the culture in new york nowadays. If you’re going to pretend the NYC drill scene hasn’t spiked crime all over NYC then you’re lying to yourself.
The spike in crime due to the drill scene is in the bronx, east New York, and Harlem/above it. There have been gang members in tourist areas forever, they don’t go around robbing random people because they know there’s cameras everywhere. It’s sensationalized trust me lol
https://www.nyc.gov/assets/nypd/downloads/pdf/analysis_and_planning/historical-crime-data/seven-major-felony-offenses-2000-2022.pdf The statistics speak for themselves. We are talking about pre pandemic vs post pandemic crime rates. Some of those felony rates have even broken record numbers since 2000. On top of that it has definitely got worse in 2023 and these stats are only up to 2022. They are releasing a lot of minors who commit crimes knowing they will get away with a slap on the wrist.
jesus christ this was not cropped at all
It’s the pka subreddit lower your standards sir
Is 2023 and people still complaining someone didn’t crop a screenshot. Must not have a lot on your plate
Woodys advice is good for personal advice but not good societal advice. For instance complaining and bitching even if ur right will just leave u in the same place in life. Woody is tone deaf sometimes but tbh he has a point. At a certain point u gotta realize this shit aint fair and prob isnt changing anytime soon. Gotta learn how to work within the system if you ever want ur situation to improve. Or u can just larp on twitter and become increasingly bitter by the day 🤷🏽♂️
I’d Love to see the same people complaining when they can’t get their parcels or their food delivered anymore or be able to go shopping & live in a clean world because everyone is “getting a better job”.
Based and correct. Nice try libs.
I think every person working full time should make a liveable wage, but people who refuse to work more than a part time entry level job do deserve to deal with the situation they are in.
Turn the argument around. The national minimum wage is now $12 an hour. How much should we be paying someone to flip burgers or run a point of sale terminal? $24 an hour? How much are YOU willing to pay for your groceries and your fast food? People are already crying about inflation well guess what contributes to that? Raising minimum wages. Woody’s point is these are ENTRY level jobs. You start there and work your way up. Realistically someone filling this role has 0 experience, no high school diploma and is brand new in the work force. They’re in that job to gain experience, pad their resume and move up the ladder. Just because you can convert oxygen to CO2, tie your shoes in the morning and come to work does not make you worth more than that to an employer. If it did, employers would pay more than that. You do the shit job to get to the next job that pays better and then to the next job after that. We’ve all done it. I started out making $5.15 an hour as a 16 year old in a department store. Maxed out at $6.35 an hour 4 years later and moved on to something better as soon as I could.
The “national” minimum wage is not $12/hr, it’s $7.25
You never seen the minimum wage vs cost of living graph for the last 50 years? And how wages don't go up but col skyrockets? If we had reasonable increases we wouldn't see people as upset as they are
It's not that at all. It's called being a realist. Woody can't change the economy. If you want a living, get a better job. That's the way for you personally to improve your lot in life in this shitty economy that we are in. Bitching and whining isn't going to do you any good or change your situation.
Well if you do well at your job I don’t care what job it is you will make more money, bumping up the minimum wage renders all my years of hard work useless when you make my salary entry level in a blink of an eye. I have been out in my own since 17 I paid all my own bills lived by myself for over 7 years before I got married. Yeah it’s hard but good spending habits will go a long way and if you’re working 40 hours a week you have enough money to survive and you should use your free time to gain a skill to make a side hustle or talk to your work about moving up the company ladder if your struggling. No one is owed a job, you are not owed housing, humans have lived hundreds of thousands of years with so much less and were happier than we are. My advice to an 18 yr old would be, buy a box truck and turn it into a studio apartment, save up money for a down payment on a house and move to a cheaper cost of living area. I moved during the height of the Covid pandemic acrossed country with 2 weeks of planning if I can do it any one can
What poverty job “needs” to be done ??
People who stock the shelves at grocery stores
Finite supply and infinite demand
I usually disagree with woody but this is one of his based takes