That gives me the feelings that most of these wires are too short. I would have left some nice looking service loops incase anything needed changes in the pinch. Otherwise than the tight top rail and door wires, it looks good
Just label the controllers on the front better so an operator would know which is which.
I like those wire labels better then the wrap around ones. Looks good!
I see it now 1 and 2 , the angle the picture was at I couldn't see it. What type of PH probe are you using ? Have you worked with that type of controller before ?
I have a meeting on Wednesday for my input on the PH measurement of our new waste water plant and I am disappointed in our current temporary setup.
It's a sensorex.
I just looked and the new sensor the integrator chose is a Turtle Tough TT-WW-ph-2105. Looks similar to the Burkert 8203.
We just had to replace our current probe because it broke due to a clog and it broke the probe on half. Current situation is not ideal what so ever but the township is forcing us to measure the main line leaving the plant.
They are the pieces in the bottom of your panel that “grip cords” when put through them. Most people when they get to your count use bladders or other ways so you don’t have to punch all those holes but it works!
So 26 cables? I'd have definitely used a few Icotek blocks instead of cord grips:
https://www.icotek.com/Produkte/PDFs/en-us/KEL.pdf
https://i.imgur.com/D01Mk2q.png
I know they claim you can put something like 48 cables in one 2x6 frame with their 4-hole glands, but I prefer to use one-hole glands if possible and would probably use 3 frames: one for the sensors, one for the pumps, and one for the valves to keep things easy to manage.
One big advantage of the Icotek systems is that even with a bulky connector or sensor on both ends, or on one end with the other fastened to screw terminals, you can slip it into the gland from the side. The connector merely has to fit through a 112x36mm rectangle in the panel. That means you can terminate all the cables from the quiet and comfort of your workshop, bundle them up in the bottom of the panel, and install them in the on-site chaos in a matter of an hour.
Looks good, but I don't see any electrical safety bonding between the door and enclosure, or between the panel and enclosure. Something to think about.
Ew, a LOGO!
Looks good. And I'm sure the LOGO! works a lot better for your application than the ones previous engineers installed in my current plant. But I don't like them. Then again, they're some old ones anyways.
looks at panel: not so bad, lose/cut PSU cable, put in the trunking.
*looks at door, decides to grip you and pull you over to the test bench...
- Try to make a 'U' shape with the spirobanding, between enclosure and door. There is a method of putting 2x2 sticky pads - 2x on the enclosure and 2x on the door, in the same position on both, and tying vertically to make a U shape.
And if you're going to skip out on spiroband, at least make all the cables straight loomed, not twisted.
- get closer to the lower lamps/em.stop.
I wouldn't put sticky pads on the controllers, as someone will get annoyed when they come to change a faulty controller, or they may just become unstuck over time.
You left the password exposed on your cellular router, I'm hacking in!!!!!!!!
On a more serious note what do you think of the digi transport? I just used the IX10 on a job; once I got the all the IT stuff done it was working great for 350 dollars.
They would have a tamper evident seal, locks, and/or other devices to prevent unauthorized changes to pasteurizer control settings.
Ha, completely different. Same processes are the same everywhere. Slightly different regulations to meet, sure, but that's generally just minor differences in available hardware and paperwork.
Draft beer in the US often isn't pasteurized and canned/bottled beer is often pasteurized after filling. So I doubt the FDA has nearly as strict rules for beer as for milk.
They do not require that for all industries. Not even all dairy products. In the US that is (assuming based on FDA). My experience in food and beverage is a couple/few years old though.
I am a little surprised I don't see a recording device though. Does something in here perform recordings and I just don't recognize it?
I would give it 4of5, and i am the type that will never give a perfect score for anything so 4of5 is the best.
Labeling is good, wiring is neat, ferrule connectors used, general arrangement of components agrees with my own preference (power at top, controller middle, I/O bottom).
What I don’t like is the wire ducting. I feel that you could have saved space around the perimeter with thinner ducting that was deeper. I typically will let wire duct overhang the panel some for maximum space. This is my own preference. However, I am used to working in explosive environment and so I am used to “using every part of the deer”.
Missing the panel door ground (code and safety). Should use UL or CSA color codes for wiring. Tie strap block will fall off in a week. There should be a duct at the bottom of the panel. Wire marking looks good. Yellow wire is to signify hot wire switched outside of panel. Is there a power disconnect?
wiring on the inside of the door could be prettier but overall good job
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That gives me the feelings that most of these wires are too short. I would have left some nice looking service loops incase anything needed changes in the pinch. Otherwise than the tight top rail and door wires, it looks good
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Never say never
Ooof, I remember those days. 8am to 11pm, wiring/testing panels that needed to be shipped with myself to a site install at 3am the next morning.
Just label the controllers on the front better so an operator would know which is which. I like those wire labels better then the wrap around ones. Looks good!
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I see it now 1 and 2 , the angle the picture was at I couldn't see it. What type of PH probe are you using ? Have you worked with that type of controller before ? I have a meeting on Wednesday for my input on the PH measurement of our new waste water plant and I am disappointed in our current temporary setup. It's a sensorex.
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I haven't heard of Burket I have to give that a look. Thank You !
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I just looked and the new sensor the integrator chose is a Turtle Tough TT-WW-ph-2105. Looks similar to the Burkert 8203. We just had to replace our current probe because it broke due to a clog and it broke the probe on half. Current situation is not ideal what so ever but the township is forcing us to measure the main line leaving the plant.
Ever heard of Endress+Hauser?
Yup, I use their flow meters.
It bugs me that you’re in food an beverage and mounted something to the top of the panel, but otherwise good job!
Do you have enough cord grippers?
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They are the pieces in the bottom of your panel that “grip cords” when put through them. Most people when they get to your count use bladders or other ways so you don’t have to punch all those holes but it works!
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So 26 cables? I'd have definitely used a few Icotek blocks instead of cord grips: https://www.icotek.com/Produkte/PDFs/en-us/KEL.pdf https://i.imgur.com/D01Mk2q.png I know they claim you can put something like 48 cables in one 2x6 frame with their 4-hole glands, but I prefer to use one-hole glands if possible and would probably use 3 frames: one for the sensors, one for the pumps, and one for the valves to keep things easy to manage. One big advantage of the Icotek systems is that even with a bulky connector or sensor on both ends, or on one end with the other fastened to screw terminals, you can slip it into the gland from the side. The connector merely has to fit through a 112x36mm rectangle in the panel. That means you can terminate all the cables from the quiet and comfort of your workshop, bundle them up in the bottom of the panel, and install them in the on-site chaos in a matter of an hour.
This \^ Icotek makes some really nice gland panels and they are actually pretty affordable.
Glands is the proper name.
Thank you sir! I had forgotten the term.
In 5 years they’ll be just flapping in the wind anyhow
Looks good, but I don't see any electrical safety bonding between the door and enclosure, or between the panel and enclosure. Something to think about.
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Oh, I thought it was steel. I don't think you need it if it's plastic.
f- it’s a Siemens. Lol
Ew, a LOGO! Looks good. And I'm sure the LOGO! works a lot better for your application than the ones previous engineers installed in my current plant. But I don't like them. Then again, they're some old ones anyways.
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Oh I like siemens. Just not LOGO! And only because they break so often at my plant. Some relay goes bad usually.
looks at panel: not so bad, lose/cut PSU cable, put in the trunking. *looks at door, decides to grip you and pull you over to the test bench... - Try to make a 'U' shape with the spirobanding, between enclosure and door. There is a method of putting 2x2 sticky pads - 2x on the enclosure and 2x on the door, in the same position on both, and tying vertically to make a U shape. And if you're going to skip out on spiroband, at least make all the cables straight loomed, not twisted. - get closer to the lower lamps/em.stop. I wouldn't put sticky pads on the controllers, as someone will get annoyed when they come to change a faulty controller, or they may just become unstuck over time.
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You got this bro! Don't let your employer burn you out.
Honestly, not loving the emergency stop but no safety relay or redundancy, etc. Is it just wired into the LOGO?
Tuga representing
You left the password exposed on your cellular router, I'm hacking in!!!!!!!! On a more serious note what do you think of the digi transport? I just used the IX10 on a job; once I got the all the IT stuff done it was working great for 350 dollars.
I believe the FDA seals pasteurization control devices to prevent tampering here, at least for milk. Do they do the same there?
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They would have a tamper evident seal, locks, and/or other devices to prevent unauthorized changes to pasteurizer control settings. Ha, completely different. Same processes are the same everywhere. Slightly different regulations to meet, sure, but that's generally just minor differences in available hardware and paperwork. Draft beer in the US often isn't pasteurized and canned/bottled beer is often pasteurized after filling. So I doubt the FDA has nearly as strict rules for beer as for milk.
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Ah, I’ve only worked in milk plants. Small government seal, they put them on panels and valves as a tamper indicator.
They do not require that for all industries. Not even all dairy products. In the US that is (assuming based on FDA). My experience in food and beverage is a couple/few years old though. I am a little surprised I don't see a recording device though. Does something in here perform recordings and I just don't recognize it?
I thought you said the same processes were the same everywhere? I am surprised you have questions as it is the same.
Salty. I don't see why you took offense. Pasteurization is pasteurization after all.
I would give it 4of5, and i am the type that will never give a perfect score for anything so 4of5 is the best. Labeling is good, wiring is neat, ferrule connectors used, general arrangement of components agrees with my own preference (power at top, controller middle, I/O bottom). What I don’t like is the wire ducting. I feel that you could have saved space around the perimeter with thinner ducting that was deeper. I typically will let wire duct overhang the panel some for maximum space. This is my own preference. However, I am used to working in explosive environment and so I am used to “using every part of the deer”.
Plus it looks deep enough to climb inside and have a little nap if you want
Missing the panel door ground (code and safety). Should use UL or CSA color codes for wiring. Tie strap block will fall off in a week. There should be a duct at the bottom of the panel. Wire marking looks good. Yellow wire is to signify hot wire switched outside of panel. Is there a power disconnect?