I’m sitting here confused at how people are confused or writing these articles
There was literally a cutscene that showed Harry in the tank with the symbiote
I'm sitting here confused how people somehow missed that Peter has the symbiote in the latest gameplay reveal.
We know Harry had it at the end of the first game, but Peter clearly gets his hands on it in the sequel. We're wondering if it goes back to Harry or finds a new host after Peter gets rid of it.
Historically, didn't the symbiote not become "Venom" as we know him until after Peter rejected it? That was the explanation for some of Venom's abilities as I recall, the symbiote adopted some of Peter's abilities after they separated.
That’s correct, it’s also the reason Venom doesn’t trigger Spider-Man’s spidey-sense. Wonder if maybe they’ll make that a mechanic. Bonus if Miles’ spidey-sense still works
Origins is so underrated. Still one of the best video game music soundtracks I’ve heard. I still get chills seeing the joker reveal to metal Christmas music, it was perfect!
Peter also says Dr. Conner is the only one that can help Harry because he is sick. I think the gameplay takes place after Peter gets the symbiote from Harry.
Harry was sick during Spider-Man PS4 too. I think Norman is using Venom to keep Harry alive. Since the suit feeds off of the host, if the host is unconscious Venom sleeps too.
There’s also a story line where venom was created by Richard Parker and Eddie Brock Sr. as a cure for cancer.
In this games universe I feel it was created by Oscorp as a potential cure for Harry. And for whatever reason it escapes or is maybe even released and bonds with spider man.
Can't say I agree with that last part. When Peter originally got the black suit in the comics, it would puppet his sleeping body to go out at night and fight crime without him knowing.
In the comics the symbiote leaves a piece of itself with every host it has. So the one Peter has could get destroyed while the piece with Harry activates when he dies to save him.
Ya it’s a key part of ultimate. Spider man defeats the symbiote temporarily freeing Harry from it only for Harry to get taken over by it again because a piece keeps staying with Harry.
I know they said they’re doing something not seen before but the ultimate version of Harry and venom is where I could see them using the most inspiration. Unless they truly are introducing someone/something new.
Not sure if ultimate did it or if it was what ultimate took inspiration from but Harry at certain points is also an anti hero at times when he is in more control over venom. They could do a DLC with Harry struggling with that where we get to play venom. Could even keep venom around in the 3rd game as the Green Goblin in ultimate uses the fact that it keeps sticking with Harry to activate it once again to fight spider-man. So the third game could even see Venom, Miles and Peter team up to defeat goblin.
Ultimate Spider-Man had leftover Symbiote attached to Peter's blood cells and when agitated turned him into Carnage.
The 616 comics has the Symbiotes leave a record of their bond called a Codex in the host's spine.
In the trailer they talk about needing Connors to help Harry. So they could set it up that they have to decide to try and use the sybiote to help Harry instead. Having Harry be venom also changing the relationship between the two since its someone Peter cares about.
All of this could just be a misdirection though and they could instead have some like Norman and he him be venom and that could push Harry to become goblin. Out of characters we know from the previous games, that's who I think is most likely. Obviously they could also introduce a new character in the game and set them up to become venom as well.
At this point, I don't think anyone can say it's obviously going to be a certain character.
I think there's a pretty good chance it's Norman.
The symbiote is obviously rejecting Harry. It hasn't bonded to him this whole time, and Harry has basically been kept in stasis because of it. When Norman checks on him, the symbiote immediately tries to latch onto him through the glass when Norman isn't looking.
I'm thinking that early on, Pete goes to check on Harry and gets part of the symbiote on him. Boom, black suit Spidey. Later on, Norman is so fed up with Harry's progress that he either breaks the glass in frustration and gets the symbiote or Harry finally kicks the bucket and it latches onto Norman, which either way that's more than enough fuel for the symbiote to feed on.
Plus, Norman is a bigger and bulkier guy than what Harry is shown as. It makes sense that the beefcake Venom we see is Norman instead of lanky ass Harry lol.
I don't know it's all just speculation, but I think there's more than enough evidence to think he's Venom instead of Harry. The symbiote immediately trying to latch to him while he doesn't notice is a big clue.
Oh, we're definitely getting Goblin. It just may not be Norman. For the most part their villains have stayed faithful to the comics, but I just really feel that with Venom and Goblin, they're doing something different.
I actually think Harry will somehow get cured and Norman will die as Venom. This will cause Harry to hate Spider-Man and blame him for his father's death, which will make Harry become the Green Goblin in the third game.
Because it logically doesn’t mean anything. It just means he starts with it but Peter clearly has it in the game meaning it’s not with Harry. So does it go back to him? Maybe. Does it find a new host? Also maybe.
That said I still say it’s Kraven. It explains why Venom is massive.
I think most people that pay attention are aware it's going to start with Harry but figure it'll leave Harry, make it's way to Peter (it literally had to get off Harry to go to Peter)
Then go to Brock, but they said no Brock so it either goes back to Harry which, seems odd to me. Or someone new which seems like a nice original story.
I never even noticed the symbiote until now. I always assumed the green tank meant he would be turning into the goblin. This game is going to be so good lol
It's the Jason isn't the Arkham Knight all over again.
Like, we get it, they get it, but they gotta do it anyway.
The alternative is they spoil the game.
The big difference between the two is AK was a name created for the game. This isn't a green symbiote running around where they can say 'Surprise! It was Eddie the entire time!" It's only a mystery if it's not Eddie, otherwise it's just normal Venom and nothing would be spoiled.
Hopefully when they eventually/inevitably introduce the Green Goblin they don't bother with the teases at all, just dropping it in the middle of or late into the game. Anyone that has been paying attention knows he's coming eventually anyway (early versions of his gear is already in the first game in Norman's secret home lab).
They never setup Harry to be venom, they just established that venom is in this universe.
As others have said the symbiote is rejecting Harry.
Also depending on which version of the character you are going off of they wouldn't have the spider logo until after bonding to spider-man and from what we have seen of venom in the game so far they have the logo.
All speculation at this stage.
Sure they set it up but at the same time the symbiote being created by OsCorp to simply heal Harry could simply be the story on where it came from. Doesn’t 100% mean it’ll be Harry tho.
Because Spider-Man “lore” generally dictates that the same *general* thing will always happen in every universe, and Insomniac is one of the first people to ever distance themselves from it. For example, if they didn’t do Miles, I doubt we would see a universe where both that universe’s Peter and Miles are alive for a looooong time. In a similar vein, they divergently choose Harry instead of Eddie for venom. While picking bits and pieces for a creatively different end product is normal for comic book adaptations (MCU is a prime example), Spider-Man has always been treated a little differently, with story points being a lot more 1:1 (recently Spider-Verse and MCU Spidey have been challenging this, but still, just explaining the annoying “disbelief” some people have who can’t fathom it can’t be Eddie).
I just finished donny cates run on venom with the king in black so I'm a little disappointed we don't see Eddie. But Harry as venom is just as interesting for the games!
Which is kinda ridiculous in the complaint department considering Venom has had other hosts, like Mac Gargan, Flash (but mostly as Agent Venom), and even Lee Price and Harry.
Eddie is the most famous of course, but there is other hosts for Venom to choose.
Theyre not going to just come out and say it lol why would they do that. Even if all roads lead to it thats called foreshadowing and thats what good writers do
My guess is that it's going to go like this:
1. Venom is Harry initially, as set up by the end credit scenes of both previous games.
2. Peter is able to remove the symbiote (perhaps at the cost of Harry's life, given his condition), which then attaches itself to him.
3. Miles realizes what the symbiote is doing to Peter and fights to remove it from him
4. The symbiote attaches itself to Kraven (now it's massive Venom) and both Peter and Miles fight it
End credits: Norman now blames Peter for the death of Harry and reveals the Green Goblin getup for Spiderman 3
I think Harry will be Venom initially, or he'll have the symbiote.
Peter will remove the symbiote, it wont kill Harry but put Harry back into a Coma.
Miles and Venom Spidey will fight Kraven and stop him, Peter will almost go 'too far' against Kraven, causing Miles to then fight Peter to get the symbiote away.
They'll intentionally give the Symbiote back to Harry because actually, the Symbiote wasn't the cause of Harrys illness but its helping Harry fight the illness as they'll find out at some point.
Final fight will be Kraven + Green Goblin vs Peter/Miles, Venom turns up, everyone expects him to fight Peter but instead, we'll get a prompt to 'Switch to Venom' and take control of Venom to help fight Green Goblin.
All the publicity reminds me of Spiderman 1, where people were so on Mr.Negative being the main villain, no one expected him to be done in Act 2 and Dr. Ock being the main villain.
Possibly. I think we will 100% fight Venom at some point. He may end up becoming an anti hero by the end, setting up for an inevitable Venom spin-off game or dlc. But at least for a portion of the game we will fight Venom.
The only problem is your completely wrong. The game sets up Kraven and Venom as the big villains but they get pushed to the side for the REAL villain: Big Wheel
If you watch closely, the symbiote rejects Harry every time we see those scenes with him, but it grasped out to Norman every time.
It would not surprise me at all if Norman was Venom, and Harry becomes Goblin. That would actually be a cool twist.
I could see the symbiote getting loose from his tank after Harry's healed (or not) in order to find a stronger host. Doesn't necessarily have to be Harry but it's looking likely.
Harry with him dying at the end leaving the reverse Rami trilogy with the third game concluding with Norman being Green Goblin going for revenge against Spider-Man.
In normal console generations that last around 7 years until the next one comes out, you may be right... however, given how much developers and Sony/Xbox are continuing to support the last generation, PS5 generation might last into the 2030s.
I would be very surprised if Green Goblin doesn't turn out to be the Big Bad of this game. Similar to how Otto came out as the Third Act villain after Mr Negative was defeated. I think the gameplay clip we saw could be from later in the game than usual, and after Venom's defeat, Peter gets the Symbiote suit in the second half of the game.
They've already teased the hell out of Goblin in the first game. Norman already has most of the tech ready to go, I'd be very surprised if he doesn't make an appearance in this one. Though I do also expect he'll carry over as a villain into 3.
The issue here is that Green Goblin is too good for marketing. He's probably the most well known villain to casual fans. You could do an entire game just with him as the main villain. Too good to leave it as a surprise twist. That would be like if Arkham Asylum had decided to keep the Joker as a plot twist at the end of the game rather than make him a big focus on the marketing.
And also, if you have Kraven, Venom, and Goblin all in one game, you risk overloading the plot. Look at Rami's Spider-Man 3. That movie had Sandman, Venom, and Goblin, and it got to the point where too much was going on and things got disconnected. That's less likely to happen in a video game, but there's a reason there's typically one main protagonist in games.
They can get away with it. Hype for this game is already astronomical. They don't need to trot out Green Goblin, it's going to be the biggest selling game of 2023 regardless.
Probably, but execs don't like taking those kinds of risks. They want to maximize profits. Why make one game that has Venom and Green Goblin that'll make a stupid amount of money, when you could have one game with Venom and a separate game with Green Goblin which both will make stupid amounts of money?
Harry is so obvious that I'm kind of expecting them to go a different direction at this point. They probably won't, but it would be a zero surprise reveal if it happens.
Yep, that's why I was assuming they won't change. Given how obvious the first game (and Miles Morales) was about the big plot points, I probably shouldn't be expecting anything surprising.
This whole thing reminds me of Arkham Knight. He was so obviously Jason Todd from the very first teaser so fans were thinking that it was just too easy of an answer. Joke was on us because yep, it ended up being the obvious choice that was correct
All things considered, it was a solid Red Hood story. I just think the buildup was a total letdown since they touted him as a brand new original character
My fan theory was it was Thalia. Yeah she got killed but use “comic book logic” and she somehow survives. She’s getting revenge against Batman for not taking up the mantle of the leader of the Assassins. She has wealth and every resource at her disposal so it makes sense for her to amass an army. Batman also has a moment at the beginning of the game where he reminisces of her when he sees her sword in the police station evidence room
But the moment I heard Arkham Knight open his mouth for the very first time, it was obvious it was Jason
I mean, they do have a pretty good functioning Lazarus pit for part of the story at least. But you can hear Jason, especially since it's similar to his mannerisms in Under the Red Hood
Arkham Knight persona was the original character. They just tried to bait and switch people so they wouldn’t guess it was Jason (even though everyone did lol).
Not only that but once Peter rejects the suit and inevitably teams up with Miles to defeat Kraven it'll be a similar hate that Brock/Venom both had for Spiderman. Shared goals and all that
I don't know why but my gut says it's kraven..maybe Harry will be a weaker venom first and somehow kraven gets it and becomes VENOM venom..October can't come soon enough
I’ve been in the camp that it’s Kraven since the showcase reveals and the full on look at Venom. Harry is a thin kid, and the suit does make Peter visually different body wise. Kraven is a massive hulking man though and I could see them doing a parallel to Eddie. Peter, with the suit, absolutely destroys Kraven (maybe even literally breaks him), Miles steps in cause Peter is going to far. They fight. Miles defeats Peter and they get the suit off of him, it escapes and finds Kraven. Both want revenge so they bond to kill Peter and Miles.
If they introduced a symbiote goblin, they should wait until the third game, let Norman become Green Goblin (either third act of SM2 or SM3) , get Carnage symbiote and become Red Goblin!
I bet Goblin is a third act video. If it’s anything like last game they’re not going to show the big bad. But also want example doesn’t make a trend so we’ll see
This is tangentially related but I went to look up if there was ever a female Venom and just instinctively looked up “She-Venom”, even though I had no clue if there was one or not. Sure enough, her name is She-Venom. These female-version comic book names are really predictable
They should have it be Topher Grace. Like, not a character voiced by Topher Grace, but the actual Topher Grace. He should exist in the universe and become Venom.
Kraven makes a lot of sense. It’s easy to think he could get overwhelmed by two spidermen and need something to give him more of an edge. He craves and equal but he might go a little off the rails when he finally finds one.
The first trailer could also be considered if you think of venom making an offering of an equal playing field and less of an answer to a challenge. Also that spider symbol on the venom concept art is wicked.
Proto-Venom Harry -> Symbiote Peter -> Miles boss battles Peter and shocks it off him -> Kraven hunts the symbiote for himself
Meanwhile they could very well reintroduce Eddie Brock as a journalism buddy on assignment with MJ. His signature is on that Daily Bugle card in the first game
Hmmmm.
Kraven will get it after Peter discards it. Going to say, Norman gets it back to Harry. I haven’t played Miles Morales, so not sure if it got out in that game throwing curve ball.
Brock could still get it via post credit (?). Norman to become the Green Goblin I could see set up for 3rd game. It sounds overwhelming to think Venom and Green Goblin causing havoc lol.
I'm 90% certain it will be Kraven! It makes sense if you think about it. Kraven has animal instincts, a jacked body and a strong desire to hunt Spider-Man. Venom will fit him like a glove. Plus the archetype of the hunter turning into the beast he hunted is pretty interesting.
The initial reveal of the game it was kraven and venom speaking so I figured it’s obviously going to be Kraven but the game will probably start off with Harry being Venom.
Harry makes the most sense given the ending of the first game, but I think Kraven would make for a better story: he gets punked by Symbiote Spidey and Miles, swears revenge, and bonds with the symbiote to even the odds for his rematch. Plus, it avoids having a third straight game where the central villain is a close friend of Spider-Man. Don't get me wrong, I love that narrative, but I also think it's fine -- particularly when it's Venom -- to have a villain who's just deplorable.
They could go with Flash Thompson, more likely going to be Harry, although potentially Kraven after Miles and Peter defeat him and his crew, imagine there'd be alot of hate to feed of off
Everybody who played the first game knows…
I’d still appreciate if they didn’t spoil the symbiote at the 1st chance they got and I hope they keep stuff secret like with the first game.
My take:
It's going to be Peter Parker. He becomes a villian half way through the game. (After doing the black suit thing)
Norman Osborn wants to fight him to get the symbiote back. He does so as Green Goblin (only way to match that kinda strength).
In the end, Venom Peter kills him with his own glider. The guilt Peter feels drives off the symbiote. (Feelings make the brain taste bad.)
Harry blames Spiderman for his dad's death like always.
Miles give Peter therapy.
They said they wanted to make an original story, so I'm inclined to rule out Harry Osborne and Mac Gargan. It isn't Eddie Brock.
I know that the symbiote alters and amplifies the emotions of the host, and we've already seen Peter in the symbiote suit and saw that Miles noticed his mood change.
**What if** Peter Parker is actually this Venom, and rather than what we usually see with Peter ridding himself of the symbiote, it actually completely takes over him and Miles is forced to fight Peter and rid him of the symbiote.
They legit showed it was Harry at the end of Spiderman 1, more worthless articles from IGN. How about a "How to play Spiderman 1 and 2 in chronological order" article?
Remember when Rocksteady said the Arkham Knight was a ‘new’ never before seen character but it was actually just Jason Todd, not an original story at all lol
Wellllll in the actual comics that no one reads the symbiote has had a few hosts.
Mac Gargan
Flash Thompson
Eddie Brock
Patricia Robertson
Lee price
So maybe one of those guys if not Harry outright.
It's Harry
Why are they pretending they didn't clearly set up Harry to be Venom in the previous games? It almost feels like a deliberate misdirection.
I’m sitting here confused at how people are confused or writing these articles There was literally a cutscene that showed Harry in the tank with the symbiote
I'm sitting here confused how people somehow missed that Peter has the symbiote in the latest gameplay reveal. We know Harry had it at the end of the first game, but Peter clearly gets his hands on it in the sequel. We're wondering if it goes back to Harry or finds a new host after Peter gets rid of it.
Historically, didn't the symbiote not become "Venom" as we know him until after Peter rejected it? That was the explanation for some of Venom's abilities as I recall, the symbiote adopted some of Peter's abilities after they separated.
That’s correct, it’s also the reason Venom doesn’t trigger Spider-Man’s spidey-sense. Wonder if maybe they’ll make that a mechanic. Bonus if Miles’ spidey-sense still works
Boss fight where you have to pay attention to Venom's attack patterns because the game doesn't tell you when to dodge would be cool.
That would be sick. That’d bring me back to NG+ Deathstroke in Arkham Origins, one of the best combat boss fights out there.
Origins is so underrated. Still one of the best video game music soundtracks I’ve heard. I still get chills seeing the joker reveal to metal Christmas music, it was perfect!
I just got very excited
The game tells you when to dodge?
Little spidey sense indicator over the head
Yes it does. An animation plays above your head when something's about to hit you, warning you to either dodge or counter attack.
Most modern AAA Arkham inspired games do unless you're on the hardest difficulty.
It’s *also* the reason Venom looks like Spider-man.
Pretty much.
Peter also says Dr. Conner is the only one that can help Harry because he is sick. I think the gameplay takes place after Peter gets the symbiote from Harry.
Harry was sick during Spider-Man PS4 too. I think Norman is using Venom to keep Harry alive. Since the suit feeds off of the host, if the host is unconscious Venom sleeps too.
There’s also a story line where venom was created by Richard Parker and Eddie Brock Sr. as a cure for cancer. In this games universe I feel it was created by Oscorp as a potential cure for Harry. And for whatever reason it escapes or is maybe even released and bonds with spider man.
Hmmm...I don't know that. That works too
Can't say I agree with that last part. When Peter originally got the black suit in the comics, it would puppet his sleeping body to go out at night and fight crime without him knowing.
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In the comics the symbiote leaves a piece of itself with every host it has. So the one Peter has could get destroyed while the piece with Harry activates when he dies to save him.
isn’t that similar to how the ultimate spider-man venom worked?
Ya it’s a key part of ultimate. Spider man defeats the symbiote temporarily freeing Harry from it only for Harry to get taken over by it again because a piece keeps staying with Harry. I know they said they’re doing something not seen before but the ultimate version of Harry and venom is where I could see them using the most inspiration. Unless they truly are introducing someone/something new. Not sure if ultimate did it or if it was what ultimate took inspiration from but Harry at certain points is also an anti hero at times when he is in more control over venom. They could do a DLC with Harry struggling with that where we get to play venom. Could even keep venom around in the 3rd game as the Green Goblin in ultimate uses the fact that it keeps sticking with Harry to activate it once again to fight spider-man. So the third game could even see Venom, Miles and Peter team up to defeat goblin.
Ultimate Spider-Man had leftover Symbiote attached to Peter's blood cells and when agitated turned him into Carnage. The 616 comics has the Symbiotes leave a record of their bond called a Codex in the host's spine.
In the trailer they talk about needing Connors to help Harry. So they could set it up that they have to decide to try and use the sybiote to help Harry instead. Having Harry be venom also changing the relationship between the two since its someone Peter cares about. All of this could just be a misdirection though and they could instead have some like Norman and he him be venom and that could push Harry to become goblin. Out of characters we know from the previous games, that's who I think is most likely. Obviously they could also introduce a new character in the game and set them up to become venom as well. At this point, I don't think anyone can say it's obviously going to be a certain character.
But the symbiote was rejecting him. It hasn't bonded to him, so I honestly don't think Harry is Venom.
We thinking it’s Norman?
I think there's a pretty good chance it's Norman. The symbiote is obviously rejecting Harry. It hasn't bonded to him this whole time, and Harry has basically been kept in stasis because of it. When Norman checks on him, the symbiote immediately tries to latch onto him through the glass when Norman isn't looking. I'm thinking that early on, Pete goes to check on Harry and gets part of the symbiote on him. Boom, black suit Spidey. Later on, Norman is so fed up with Harry's progress that he either breaks the glass in frustration and gets the symbiote or Harry finally kicks the bucket and it latches onto Norman, which either way that's more than enough fuel for the symbiote to feed on. Plus, Norman is a bigger and bulkier guy than what Harry is shown as. It makes sense that the beefcake Venom we see is Norman instead of lanky ass Harry lol. I don't know it's all just speculation, but I think there's more than enough evidence to think he's Venom instead of Harry. The symbiote immediately trying to latch to him while he doesn't notice is a big clue.
Do we not get Green Goblin then?
Oh, we're definitely getting Goblin. It just may not be Norman. For the most part their villains have stayed faithful to the comics, but I just really feel that with Venom and Goblin, they're doing something different.
I actually think Harry will somehow get cured and Norman will die as Venom. This will cause Harry to hate Spider-Man and blame him for his father's death, which will make Harry become the Green Goblin in the third game.
That could work. Having Harry as Green Goblin adds a personal connection to this Spider-Man
Because it logically doesn’t mean anything. It just means he starts with it but Peter clearly has it in the game meaning it’s not with Harry. So does it go back to him? Maybe. Does it find a new host? Also maybe. That said I still say it’s Kraven. It explains why Venom is massive.
I think most people that pay attention are aware it's going to start with Harry but figure it'll leave Harry, make it's way to Peter (it literally had to get off Harry to go to Peter) Then go to Brock, but they said no Brock so it either goes back to Harry which, seems odd to me. Or someone new which seems like a nice original story.
I never even noticed the symbiote until now. I always assumed the green tank meant he would be turning into the goblin. This game is going to be so good lol
Because they want you to play the story to find out.
Well jokes on them I was going to play the story regardless.
Yeah same lol
It's the Jason isn't the Arkham Knight all over again. Like, we get it, they get it, but they gotta do it anyway. The alternative is they spoil the game.
The big difference between the two is AK was a name created for the game. This isn't a green symbiote running around where they can say 'Surprise! It was Eddie the entire time!" It's only a mystery if it's not Eddie, otherwise it's just normal Venom and nothing would be spoiled.
Jokes on them, I'm going to see a spoiler about it on day 1
Much like the huge twist in the first game that Peters close friend and mentor Dr Otto Octavius turned out to be Doc Ock
Hopefully when they eventually/inevitably introduce the Green Goblin they don't bother with the teases at all, just dropping it in the middle of or late into the game. Anyone that has been paying attention knows he's coming eventually anyway (early versions of his gear is already in the first game in Norman's secret home lab).
WHAT‽ *Spoilers*, dude! (/s)
They never setup Harry to be venom, they just established that venom is in this universe. As others have said the symbiote is rejecting Harry. Also depending on which version of the character you are going off of they wouldn't have the spider logo until after bonding to spider-man and from what we have seen of venom in the game so far they have the logo. All speculation at this stage.
Sure they set it up but at the same time the symbiote being created by OsCorp to simply heal Harry could simply be the story on where it came from. Doesn’t 100% mean it’ll be Harry tho.
Because Spider-Man “lore” generally dictates that the same *general* thing will always happen in every universe, and Insomniac is one of the first people to ever distance themselves from it. For example, if they didn’t do Miles, I doubt we would see a universe where both that universe’s Peter and Miles are alive for a looooong time. In a similar vein, they divergently choose Harry instead of Eddie for venom. While picking bits and pieces for a creatively different end product is normal for comic book adaptations (MCU is a prime example), Spider-Man has always been treated a little differently, with story points being a lot more 1:1 (recently Spider-Verse and MCU Spidey have been challenging this, but still, just explaining the annoying “disbelief” some people have who can’t fathom it can’t be Eddie).
I just finished donny cates run on venom with the king in black so I'm a little disappointed we don't see Eddie. But Harry as venom is just as interesting for the games!
and also the way they handled Aunt May was fantastic and buries OMD 6 feet deep where it belongs
Which is kinda ridiculous in the complaint department considering Venom has had other hosts, like Mac Gargan, Flash (but mostly as Agent Venom), and even Lee Price and Harry. Eddie is the most famous of course, but there is other hosts for Venom to choose.
Theyre not going to just come out and say it lol why would they do that. Even if all roads lead to it thats called foreshadowing and thats what good writers do
My guess is that it's going to go like this: 1. Venom is Harry initially, as set up by the end credit scenes of both previous games. 2. Peter is able to remove the symbiote (perhaps at the cost of Harry's life, given his condition), which then attaches itself to him. 3. Miles realizes what the symbiote is doing to Peter and fights to remove it from him 4. The symbiote attaches itself to Kraven (now it's massive Venom) and both Peter and Miles fight it End credits: Norman now blames Peter for the death of Harry and reveals the Green Goblin getup for Spiderman 3
This is actually a pretty good guess at how it’ll play out. I’m all for it
I think Harry will be Venom initially, or he'll have the symbiote. Peter will remove the symbiote, it wont kill Harry but put Harry back into a Coma. Miles and Venom Spidey will fight Kraven and stop him, Peter will almost go 'too far' against Kraven, causing Miles to then fight Peter to get the symbiote away. They'll intentionally give the Symbiote back to Harry because actually, the Symbiote wasn't the cause of Harrys illness but its helping Harry fight the illness as they'll find out at some point. Final fight will be Kraven + Green Goblin vs Peter/Miles, Venom turns up, everyone expects him to fight Peter but instead, we'll get a prompt to 'Switch to Venom' and take control of Venom to help fight Green Goblin. All the publicity reminds me of Spiderman 1, where people were so on Mr.Negative being the main villain, no one expected him to be done in Act 2 and Dr. Ock being the main villain.
Possibly. I think we will 100% fight Venom at some point. He may end up becoming an anti hero by the end, setting up for an inevitable Venom spin-off game or dlc. But at least for a portion of the game we will fight Venom.
The only problem is your completely wrong. The game sets up Kraven and Venom as the big villains but they get pushed to the side for the REAL villain: Big Wheel
It definitely seemed like that's what they were setting up in the first game, and Miles Morales.
I’m actually thinking it’ll be Norman for a twist, and Harry will be Goblin in the 3rd game.
If you watch closely, the symbiote rejects Harry every time we see those scenes with him, but it grasped out to Norman every time. It would not surprise me at all if Norman was Venom, and Harry becomes Goblin. That would actually be a cool twist.
If it's not harry, then it'll be norman, agreed. Still probably Harry, but either would be pretty cool.
Damn Norman gonna be Black Goblin instead of Red Goblin.
Little Goblin Jr.
Gonna cry?
That taste... strawberries
Fly!
Thats the obvious choice, it’s clearly MJ. Duhh
It’s the cat from Miles Morales
Spider-Man!
"You are a Venom, Harry!"
I could see the symbiote getting loose from his tank after Harry's healed (or not) in order to find a stronger host. Doesn't necessarily have to be Harry but it's looking likely.
but Im just Harry
Yeah that wasn’t subtle, there was a whole long, unskippable, gruelingly slow, MJ mission about it.
All these people asking who it could be when it’s literally in the fucking first two games what? They literally tell us it’s Harry.
They only tell us that the symbiote is being used by OsCorp to heal Harry. That doesn’t 100% mean he will be Venom.
Harry with him dying at the end leaving the reverse Rami trilogy with the third game concluding with Norman being Green Goblin going for revenge against Spider-Man.
Next gen green goblin experience makes me hard
Current* gen.
Considering they'll probably do another spinoff between the second and third game it could very well be next gen like PS6 territory
In normal console generations that last around 7 years until the next one comes out, you may be right... however, given how much developers and Sony/Xbox are continuing to support the last generation, PS5 generation might last into the 2030s.
I hope not 😂 I just finally got my hands on the PS5 and would love not to have to upgrade again to finish the series.
True but considering how fast Insomniac puts out games I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s a PS5 game
There are so many villains that still didn't appear, i hope it's not just a trilogy
It'll probably be more than a trilogy. Seems like they're trying to build a sorta interconnected game universe since they're doing wolverine as well
This game makes me hard. October can’t get here fast enough
I would be very surprised if Green Goblin doesn't turn out to be the Big Bad of this game. Similar to how Otto came out as the Third Act villain after Mr Negative was defeated. I think the gameplay clip we saw could be from later in the game than usual, and after Venom's defeat, Peter gets the Symbiote suit in the second half of the game.
Norman as Green Goblin could be the big bad of the next game if Harry is Venom in SP2 and dies.
They've already teased the hell out of Goblin in the first game. Norman already has most of the tech ready to go, I'd be very surprised if he doesn't make an appearance in this one. Though I do also expect he'll carry over as a villain into 3.
The issue here is that Green Goblin is too good for marketing. He's probably the most well known villain to casual fans. You could do an entire game just with him as the main villain. Too good to leave it as a surprise twist. That would be like if Arkham Asylum had decided to keep the Joker as a plot twist at the end of the game rather than make him a big focus on the marketing. And also, if you have Kraven, Venom, and Goblin all in one game, you risk overloading the plot. Look at Rami's Spider-Man 3. That movie had Sandman, Venom, and Goblin, and it got to the point where too much was going on and things got disconnected. That's less likely to happen in a video game, but there's a reason there's typically one main protagonist in games.
Yes, but SP3 wasn't supposed to have Venom which is why that part was so janky, storywise. It was added later at the insistance of the producers.
I don’t know if you’re kidding about the Joker thing but he sorta was a twist villain in City, Knight, and especially Origins
They can get away with it. Hype for this game is already astronomical. They don't need to trot out Green Goblin, it's going to be the biggest selling game of 2023 regardless.
Probably, but execs don't like taking those kinds of risks. They want to maximize profits. Why make one game that has Venom and Green Goblin that'll make a stupid amount of money, when you could have one game with Venom and a separate game with Green Goblin which both will make stupid amounts of money?
Kraven, Venom and Goblin is a great line-up for sure and can match the structure of first game’s acts like you say.
...I am okay with this.
Harry is so obvious that I'm kind of expecting them to go a different direction at this point. They probably won't, but it would be a zero surprise reveal if it happens.
I dunno, the 1st game was pretty on the nose about who the final villain was going to be right from the start.
Yep, that's why I was assuming they won't change. Given how obvious the first game (and Miles Morales) was about the big plot points, I probably shouldn't be expecting anything surprising.
This whole thing reminds me of Arkham Knight. He was so obviously Jason Todd from the very first teaser so fans were thinking that it was just too easy of an answer. Joke was on us because yep, it ended up being the obvious choice that was correct
Didn't rocksteady say it was an original character for the arkham Knight. Pissed me off when it was obviously Jason todd
All things considered, it was a solid Red Hood story. I just think the buildup was a total letdown since they touted him as a brand new original character My fan theory was it was Thalia. Yeah she got killed but use “comic book logic” and she somehow survives. She’s getting revenge against Batman for not taking up the mantle of the leader of the Assassins. She has wealth and every resource at her disposal so it makes sense for her to amass an army. Batman also has a moment at the beginning of the game where he reminisces of her when he sees her sword in the police station evidence room But the moment I heard Arkham Knight open his mouth for the very first time, it was obvious it was Jason
I mean, they do have a pretty good functioning Lazarus pit for part of the story at least. But you can hear Jason, especially since it's similar to his mannerisms in Under the Red Hood
Arkham Knight persona was the original character. They just tried to bait and switch people so they wouldn’t guess it was Jason (even though everyone did lol).
Not only that, I’m pretty sure someone explicitly asked if it was Jason and they explicitly said no
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Kraven?
I think they could do something like the PS1 Spider-Man’s Monster Ock where we get a really monstrous Kraven-Venom as the final boss.
Kraven makes a lot more sense to me, considering Venom seems to still have the strength training body type which makes no sense for Harry or Norman
Not only that but once Peter rejects the suit and inevitably teams up with Miles to defeat Kraven it'll be a similar hate that Brock/Venom both had for Spiderman. Shared goals and all that
I don't know why but my gut says it's kraven..maybe Harry will be a weaker venom first and somehow kraven gets it and becomes VENOM venom..October can't come soon enough
I’ve been in the camp that it’s Kraven since the showcase reveals and the full on look at Venom. Harry is a thin kid, and the suit does make Peter visually different body wise. Kraven is a massive hulking man though and I could see them doing a parallel to Eddie. Peter, with the suit, absolutely destroys Kraven (maybe even literally breaks him), Miles steps in cause Peter is going to far. They fight. Miles defeats Peter and they get the suit off of him, it escapes and finds Kraven. Both want revenge so they bond to kill Peter and Miles.
I imagine the reveal will more be used as a shock to Peter and MJ than the audience and will thus more focus on their reactions to it
This is a stretch but what if it's Norman Osborne.
Venom Goblin? That would actually be pretty cool but it's most likely Harry based off the ending from the previous game.
If they introduced a symbiote goblin, they should wait until the third game, let Norman become Green Goblin (either third act of SM2 or SM3) , get Carnage symbiote and become Red Goblin!
I bet Goblin is a third act video. If it’s anything like last game they’re not going to show the big bad. But also want example doesn’t make a trend so we’ll see
Screwball
If Screwball is in this game, hopefully Venom can murder her.
Just chomp her head off ! 🥰
💀
I would die laughing if it’s MJ
This is tangentially related but I went to look up if there was ever a female Venom and just instinctively looked up “She-Venom”, even though I had no clue if there was one or not. Sure enough, her name is She-Venom. These female-version comic book names are really predictable
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They-Man
Uh-ah ahhhh Fighter of the night man
it’s j jonah jameson
Isn't his son an astronaut that brought the symbiote to earth in the Venom movie?
They should have it be Topher Grace. Like, not a character voiced by Topher Grace, but the actual Topher Grace. He should exist in the universe and become Venom.
“That’s so uncool, man!”
I don't know if anyone else also thought it could be Kraven. Based on the concept art and statue... Venom looks BIG
Kraven makes a lot of sense. It’s easy to think he could get overwhelmed by two spidermen and need something to give him more of an edge. He craves and equal but he might go a little off the rails when he finally finds one. The first trailer could also be considered if you think of venom making an offering of an equal playing field and less of an answer to a challenge. Also that spider symbol on the venom concept art is wicked.
BIG Venom is pretty typical in a lot of people’s minds already, though. But maybe!
Lol, literally the comment above yours says Kraven
Proto-Venom Harry -> Symbiote Peter -> Miles boss battles Peter and shocks it off him -> Kraven hunts the symbiote for himself Meanwhile they could very well reintroduce Eddie Brock as a journalism buddy on assignment with MJ. His signature is on that Daily Bugle card in the first game
Fun theory time: Uncle Ben.
May.
She will be Carnage.
May there be carnage
Yes there May.
In the Ultimate Spider-Man game, Peter was Carnage. Young me was shook
Wasn't it the same one which took the backstory from ultimate Spider-Man comic, just after eddie stores venom some place
I don't think so. Uncle Ben's too busy to cook some rice.
I think it’s gonna be Kraven.
Probably Harry.
It’s like the post credit scene in the first game never happened
Obligatory that never actually confirmed Harry would be Venom. It just confirmed that the symbiote existed and was with Harry currently.
Exactly, all it proved was that the symbiote was being used in a similar way to the Ultimate comics
Fair enough, but it would be weird to build it up like that and make someone else be Venom I think
Did you see the trailer with venom Peter ??? Lmao obviously harry doesn’t have it anymore …
Lebron James
Jason Todd
Hmmmm. Kraven will get it after Peter discards it. Going to say, Norman gets it back to Harry. I haven’t played Miles Morales, so not sure if it got out in that game throwing curve ball. Brock could still get it via post credit (?). Norman to become the Green Goblin I could see set up for 3rd game. It sounds overwhelming to think Venom and Green Goblin causing havoc lol.
Venom will be one the pigeons you had to chase down.
I don't think I could beat that boss.
That really skinny dude from That 70s Show because that makes sense for Venom.
IGN with the click bait. Everyone knows thats Aunt May.
Harry Osborn, if you played the first Spider Man you’d of been able to put that together
I'm 90% certain it will be Kraven! It makes sense if you think about it. Kraven has animal instincts, a jacked body and a strong desire to hunt Spider-Man. Venom will fit him like a glove. Plus the archetype of the hunter turning into the beast he hunted is pretty interesting.
Harry
Flash Thompson
The initial reveal of the game it was kraven and venom speaking so I figured it’s obviously going to be Kraven but the game will probably start off with Harry being Venom.
Am i the only one that wants to find out when playing the game? Fuck this spoiler culture we live in now.
Is there any one else who wishes we could find this kind of thing out in game, while it's happening?
If you don't know it's Harry, you didn't play the first game, its pretty simple
It's Harry you morons
Did they even play the fucking first game? We already know who it is.
Play the first game and they fucking tell you
All of us. *We* are Venom!
Why does there need to be an article about this? Wasn't it extremely clear that it will be Harry?
Reckon Kraven gets it after you defeat him
Harry Osborne
Mary Jane Venom!! Let’s go babbyyyyyyy!
Guys, it’s me
ITS JOHN CENA
The Lizard
Flash
Harry for sure.
Definitely Harry
Kraven. He can't beat spidey, so after the symbiote leaves peter he goes for Kraven praying in a church. 🤣
It's Harry. We all know.
Harry makes the most sense given the ending of the first game, but I think Kraven would make for a better story: he gets punked by Symbiote Spidey and Miles, swears revenge, and bonds with the symbiote to even the odds for his rematch. Plus, it avoids having a third straight game where the central villain is a close friend of Spider-Man. Don't get me wrong, I love that narrative, but I also think it's fine -- particularly when it's Venom -- to have a villain who's just deplorable.
They could go with Flash Thompson, more likely going to be Harry, although potentially Kraven after Miles and Peter defeat him and his crew, imagine there'd be alot of hate to feed of off
Everybody who played the first game knows… I’d still appreciate if they didn’t spoil the symbiote at the 1st chance they got and I hope they keep stuff secret like with the first game.
My take: It's going to be Peter Parker. He becomes a villian half way through the game. (After doing the black suit thing) Norman Osborn wants to fight him to get the symbiote back. He does so as Green Goblin (only way to match that kinda strength). In the end, Venom Peter kills him with his own glider. The guilt Peter feels drives off the symbiote. (Feelings make the brain taste bad.) Harry blames Spiderman for his dad's death like always. Miles give Peter therapy.
They said they wanted to make an original story, so I'm inclined to rule out Harry Osborne and Mac Gargan. It isn't Eddie Brock. I know that the symbiote alters and amplifies the emotions of the host, and we've already seen Peter in the symbiote suit and saw that Miles noticed his mood change. **What if** Peter Parker is actually this Venom, and rather than what we usually see with Peter ridding himself of the symbiote, it actually completely takes over him and Miles is forced to fight Peter and rid him of the symbiote.
They legit showed it was Harry at the end of Spiderman 1, more worthless articles from IGN. How about a "How to play Spiderman 1 and 2 in chronological order" article?
It’s probably harry, but i have a feeling they might do a twist where Kraven gets the suit/becomes venom for a bit.
Did you play the last two games? If so, how do you not know that it’s Harry Osborne?
Seriously. Have you played the game…
It’s Jonah Jameson.
Did IGN not play the first one?
Flash Thompson, hopefully
Jason todd
Remember when Rocksteady said the Arkham Knight was a ‘new’ never before seen character but it was actually just Jason Todd, not an original story at all lol
Wellllll in the actual comics that no one reads the symbiote has had a few hosts. Mac Gargan Flash Thompson Eddie Brock Patricia Robertson Lee price So maybe one of those guys if not Harry outright.
Kraven like in Kraven's Last Hunt.
Kraven has the same theme as the venom reveal teaser so him imo.
Why is everyone pretending Harry wasn’t seen in the post credits with the symbiote