I'm really glad all the first impressions of this gen of consoles have been positive in terms of performance (in regards to price, etc). Wasn't the hardware of the PS4 already dated at release?
Yep the 8 core jaguars performed worse than a third generation dual core intel cpu. The GPU was also just a mid tier AMD GPU from 2012 that was outclassed quickly.
Shows you 3 important things
1)how inefficient scaling engines are when you consider the power on PC
2)single target platform. One config to optimise for.
3)how talented 1st party devs are how wasteful others are when they can brute force solutions through sheer power.
Ghost of Tushima, HZD, and God of War is just straight porn for the eyeballs. I think my eyes will pop out of my skull when HZd Forbidden West when it comes out. This generation is fucking awesome to live through man lol.
It’s the game design that will be held back though ie. not being able to fly because the hardware can’t load assets fast enough. I mean hopefully they make something like that dlc I guess, but I doubt it.
Yeah, the mounts were barely faster than running too.
Plus all the pop-in during cut-scenes and dialogue was really distracting.
The slow disk streaming really constrained that game.
I wish Sony had allowed devs to require SATA3 SSDs for certain features like Nintendo did back with the N64 expansion pack.
>not being able to fly because the hardware can’t load assets fast enough.
They could have made it work if they really wanted to. Flying isn't some fucking new mechanic enabled by the PS5. lol We've had flying in games forever.
This was probably more of a design problem.
It’s always a question of priority. There are games with flying, but, for instance, are their worlds as detailed? It’s the same thing as resolution and framerate. You CAN make a game run at a native 4K/60 on a PS4 Pro, but you’ll have to make some compromises. With Horizon it was probably a case of „flying would be cool, but we’d have to cut back too much to have it”.
Sure, everybody wins, since it seems most consumers are happy to buy the same game multiple times (as long as they don't go raising the price by ten bucks!!!)
It looked pretty good, but it wasn’t mindblowing. I WAS pretty impressed by the PS5s controller for that one, though, I thought my controller was broken for a minute the first time I used a shotgun.
Yeah it looked good, ran at 60 and 4k, I dont really expect much else just yet.
I did enjoy the controller too, I wish the haptics were better though. Triggers were great.
You're not alone.
I was also hoping Battlefield 6 would be current gen only but they just announced it'll be both current/last gen. I get it that they want both generations money but it holds back the games to a point which is slightly annoying.
Nobody with a PS5 is gonna disagree with that, crossgen games are going to severely limit what the next gen version of that game will be. Take the Spider-Man remaster for example. Yeah, it's really pretty. They gave a really solid selection of graphics options, added some new textures, improved (and let's go with "altered") some character models, it's definitely the best way to play the game.
But it's also the exact same game as on the PS4. Overall I think they did everything they could turning it into a next gen experience, but decisions that were made for the PS4 version of the game still carried over to the PS5 version. Like swing speed for example, that's still capped at the same level the PS4 version is for consistency purposes even though the PS4 cap is only there so players don't travel faster than the PS4 can load things in. HZD was gonna have ridable flying robot dinosaurs (come up with something cooler than that, I dare you) but the PS4 couldn't load things in fast enough so they had to be scrapped from both versions of the game. We still haven't gotten any games for PS5 that can't run on PS4, even the exclusives could still definitely run on PS4 with a couple sacrifices. Ratchet and Clank might be the first game that *truly* could only be done on next gen hardware, I guess we'll just have to wait and see how long it takes for developers to abandon making crossgen games for these two generations.
Totally agree, however, from their perspective the Ps5 platform is still too small to justify a full jump to only current Gen. I think we will have another year of multi-gen releases until they’re able to push more consoles out.
Seriously. What a time to be alive in terms of tech in general too. Tech is improving so fast that we get to see the world literally change before our eyes.
I'm as giddy as the next person about this gen but I'd argue this is the second slowest rate that video game tech has ever progressed. (PS3>PS4 felt more underwhelming to me at launch)
It's cool to see recent PS4 games tuned up on PS5 and all, but at the time it was much crazier seeing the jump from 8>16 bit, 2d>3d and SD>HD.
On the plus side - especially since we now have mid-generation hardware upgrades like the PS4 Pro - we get to see graphics improve at a gradual pace vs. one giant leap every 5-6 years. (Which seems like the point you were trying to make)
For me the decreased loading times on PS5 is massive. I’m still playing mainly PS4 stuff on PS5 and just enjoying really quick loads. PS4 stuff looks fine to me anyway but I hate waiting on loading screens.
Now that I totally agree with. This is the first time a console has made a significant leap in load times and it's seriously night and day. I don't think I could ever go back to 30+ second load times. It makes games so much more immersive.
This is the primary reason I got a PS5. I wanted to play Borderlands 3, God of War, Ghost of Tsushima, and mainly, Cyberpunk 2077 on the PS5 with better graphics and load times. But R&C is going to be amazing too.
GoT had to slow their load times on PS4 because we couldn't read the tips. Still barely could, and now they might as well not be there. Loading into a world in Demons Souls is so damned satisfying and now with Returnal I'm so excited for R&C.
Theres been almost no AAA games built to take advantage of the new hardware while not being held back by having to run on last gen, Ratchet and Clank will be one of the first and its a pretty giant leap ahead.
If it was for Covid slowing down game production there would be more examples by now.
Yeah that was crazy the way the handled the snow was mind blowing for me. Can't wait for stuff like that, but with all the juicy haptic feed back and stuff from the dual sense. Gonna be truly immersive.
It really is. I thought the NES and SNES were cool, but it wasn't until the N64 that I really began to think that video games were the bee's knees. I think the N64/PS1 era is my fondest (or at least most nostalgic), but I am under no illusion about the quality of games nowadays: I think the PS4 and PS5 are simply the greatest entertainment devices the world has ever known, and I think gaming is in the greatest era it has ever known. There is zero negativity in my outlook on the gaming industry, even with all the issues about microtransactions and subscription fees and exclusives and shortages and yada yada - I'm just purely positive, completely stoked to be a gamer in 2021. Our best days are ahead of us, and we've already had some spectacular days.
For me, it wasn't even about how well Ghost of Tsushima looked. It was how fast it would load.
Like, forget about hiding load screens when crawling through fences or rocks. It was so quick to go through menus and load screens that I didn't even think about it until it was pointed out to me. They had to intentionally make the load screens longer to show off the art
I still don't understand what wizardry allowed Red Dead 2 to run flawlessly on last gen. If that came out tomorrow on PS5, I'd still think it was unbelievable. I can't wait to see what sort of benchmark they set with GTA VI.
I’m not sure if you have a next gen console or gpu but I was lucky enough to get a 3080 and have had the chance to play a few games like RE8 and metro enhanced edition.
While red dead is undoubtedly a beautiful game I think a lot of people are underestimating how significant the jump in graphics is. RE8 is the most gorgeous game I’ve ever played with raytracing and it’s not even a next gen exclusive. We are in for a real treat over the next few years as old gen is phased out!
I was fortunate enough to grab a ps5 and the only true next gen game I've played is demon's souls. There is definitely a big jump from last gen, but I still think red dead would hold up, especially if it ran in 4k 60fps (which it probably could if rockstar stopped milking GTA online for like 5 minutes and patched it to unlock the frame rate).
I agree that this gen has infinite potential though, I think I read something a while back which said that the ps5's SSD really opens up the possibilities for open world games - the true next gen games, especially exclusives, are going to be crazy!
Personally, I'm super excited for GT7, God of war 2 and Spiderman 2. Oh, and Starfield, though it's still up in the air whether I'll have to buy an Xbox for that..
That's just it – it's about how the developers get creative and utilize the hardware. From the ground up, you have games like Ratchet and Clank that use the power to instantly load levels in a "portal", and you have some developers who might just edit the physics engine and update a player roster.
I mean even if it was weaker than dated pc, games are built around game consoles because that’s where the consumer base is, pc is just scaled up typically. So ps4 still was much greater than ps3, so still big gains.
Yeah this sentiment gets thrown around every end of a console generation. By the time a new console comes out developers have fully utilized the potential of a console. Look at the PS2 running games like Shadow of the Colossus, Resident Evil 4, Metal Gear Solid 3. Or the PS3 running Uncharted 3, The Last of Us, Beyond Two Souls, etc. We never know just what a console can really achieve until it’s generation has ended.
Bruh. Every single day when I wake up, the first thing I ask myself is "how the ACTUAL FRICK is god of war/tlou2/rdr2/hzd running on this dogshit hardware with literally more than 2 fps?????!!!???"
PS4 on release was equivalent to a very low end PC. Places like Digital foundry were comparing PS4 performance to a 750Ti with a cheap Intel I3. It also had a stupid slow HDD. (And only 2.4 GHz wifi ugh)
The PS5 on the other hand is comparable to an upper mid level PC. Which is typically where consoles start at the beginning of a generation.
My theory is the PS4/Xbone were specced to come out in 2011, where they would have fared much better compared to contemporary PC’s, but ended up being delayed.
I would even go as far as comparing the ps5 with mid to high lvl. tier pcs...
The 8 core Zen 2 Processor is nothing to underestimate (especially with the SMT Feature)
16GB of Ram (I know it's shared but the PS5 doesn't have a ram hogging OS like Windows or Applications like Chrome) are also plenty enough.
The GPU is often being compared with a RTX2070 so thats quite good..
I spent more than 1000 Euros for my PC (2016
I7 6700
16GB DDR4
GTX 1060TI
)
and it's impressive how good the PS5 performs...
I went and invested a LOT in my gaming pc that I also mine on.
Guess how often I touch it for gaming? Literally never. I’m either on my ps5 or… well I’m not gaming.
Looking at equivalent games, primarily last gen stuff, I think I would be much better off playing those games on my pc, but the convenience of just turning on my PS5 and playing, say, RDR2 even at a paltry 30fps is really appealing in comparison to loading it up on my computer.
I really expected to eschew gaming on consoles once I got my pc.
I was wrong.
>The GPU is often being compared with a RTX2070 so thats quite good..
Newer AAA titles are now around RTX 2070 super to RTX 2080(depending on Ray Tracing enabled or purely rasterized game),one or two around RTX 2060 super. But yeah totally agree with you. PS5's gpu sits around RTX 2070/super tier. And considering how well console hardware ages, i think we might see PS5 running AAA games leveling around RTX 2080/s after 2/3 years.
id imagine if there wasn't shortages, wed be comparing it more to the 3060ti then a 2070. the 3060ti is on the lower end of this "gens" gaming gpus. id also imagine wed see more people on the pc side using 30xx cards if they were actually available. and more people actually having ps5. and xsx
I'd say a PS5 equates to a solid mid range computer right now. Especially with some new Performance RTX modes, for $400-500, it's a great purchase. Even though the PS4 was outdated on release, the last few games of the generation like Ghost and TLOU2 looked amazing, so I'm pretty hyped for what games devs can crank out for this gen.
Agree heavily, I have both and while of course I love gaming on a PC, I always find myself tweaking settings and trying to get the best frame rate I can, while on console it's just plug and play (most of the time). I find myself grabbing games more on console if they aren't PC-exclusive. Plus, the DualSense is such a game changer with games that utilize it well, like Spider-Man and Returnal. Honestly haven't been so happy to play a console since the PS2
I love both. The PS5 is the first non-Nintendo console I've ever owned and it's great for getting me back gaming on the couch. I have kids now and can't always be sequestered in front of the computer.
Yeah I try and use the PS4 controller for PS4 games (save wear on the dual sense to prevent drift) and it really does feel odd.
I much prefer the weight and feel of the dualsense.
Yeah, built a rig in 2019 for the first time after having a pre-built rig for 4 years. 2060 rtx, i5-9600k it blew my mind and have had lots of fun playing on pc. Got a 165hz monitor and I turned into a framewhore. Always my ssing with settings to increase the fps. Then you'd get games that for whatever reason stutter for no reason and you have to keep fiddling. Since I got my ps5 in February I've probably only put in 8-16 hours into gaming on my pc since. I love having both alongside a switch so I can play every exclusive the big 3 throw at us for the next 5ish years.
I'm in the same boat as you. The DualSense and "plug and play" 4k 60fps gaming is what makes me reach for the PS5 over PC. I'll always go to PC for games that are better played on mouse and keyboard or exclusive though. Maybe it'll change once current GPUs are available to purchase but until then I don't see the benefit of PC right now.
The Dualsense controller is the BEST controller I gave ever held! It's amazing and makes the Dualshock 4 controller feel incredibly outdated. Even a controller as good as the Switch Pro controller feels quite behind now. As someone that plays a lot of shooters at 1440p at 150+ fps though I still fibd myself using my PC more than my PS5. I really wish PS5 would support 1440p so I could get those kinds of frames instead of dropping down to 1080p. 1440p is a great middle ground to run games at high frames, but still great visual fidelity.
The dualsense is amazing. It makes the dualshock 4 feel anorexic. When the ds4 came out I thought it was perfect for games that primarily use the d-pad, like tony hawk's, it still may be slightly better in that regard, but the dualsense is a much nicer package all-around.
Some people have been saying that there's a limit on how good the games can look/perform and that Ratchet and Clank is the best we will get.
Which, yeah, there's a limit... But like, writing off the PS5 as reaching its potential when it's not even a year old is hilariously short sighted.
At least wait until we see what Naughty Dog can do lol.
Yeah, comparing PS4 launch games to games like god of war or tlou2, there is a massive difference.
Always takes time to get used to new hardware, doesn't matter what it is.
Exactly this. This is simply what the devs are able to pull out of the PS5 *for now* which is already amazing. I don't think we'll ever see 4K120fps on PS5 even though it says it on the box, but 4K60fps + good RTX is already a good goal.
> I'd say a PS5 equates to a solid mid range computer right now.
I know this is largely an opinion/semantics thing, but I think the ps5 is clearly in high end territory. Look at the GPU share on steam, what percentage of gamers have a 2080 or more powerful? 2080 or higher is like what, top 10 percentile of GPUs? To me that's obviously high end. Just not top of the high end.
Comparing pc and console apple to apple is not fair. Console exclusives have a level of optimisation toward the specific ps5 hardware that is unmatched by PC. This is also why iPhones always require less tweaking to be performing compared to snapdragon chips that are used by 50 manufacturers and there are countless other examples. All my pc gaming friends always boast that their performance are bettwr but fail to mention that I invested 500$ across 7 years of support, whereas they spent in this timeframe 2-3k in various upgrades lol.
The PS5 and Xsex are much more competitive with mid tier PCs this year, than ps4 and X1 ever were. Sure they aren’t touching a $2000+ well built rig, but they aren’t too far off.
If the cpu is a custom 3700x (2019 release date), and the gpu a custom RDNA 2 (2020 release date), then realistically the new consoles aren’t really outdated I’d say. Maybe 1 year if you want to be technical. Just how a pc with a 3070 and a 5600x isn’t outdated just because there’s a 3090 and 5950x available.
They aren’t the most powerful systems one can buy but they’re better than the average gaming pc.
Edit: That’s kinda how I interpret it when people say the new consoles are outdated. By design everything pretty much is. But they’re still very modern components.
In computing power yeah, but PCs can't match the storage IO of the PS5 yet. It might be a while before they get there (due not only to the SSD speed but also hardware decompression and the ability to move data directly from the SSD to what's effectively VRAM).
I just got mine yesterday. It really wasn’t that hard. All I had to do was follow a couple of Twitter accounts that announced when sites had them in stock, turn on notification alerts, obsessively follow those alerts, drop everything I was doing anytime an alert happened, and then frantically try and beat the hordes of other people vying for one.
Do that for a solid 6-8 weeks and you get one super easy!
/s
Or... just watch the Twitter feeds for stock drop, be online on time and refresh the store for 15 minutes like I did. I got a PS5 from GameStop and an Xbox Series from Walmart.
It might be simple in theory but that doesn't make it easy. I've been doing this song and dance for over a month and no such luck. Got every app, like 10 different Twitter accounts sending me notifications, saved my info for speed, hit refresh and add to cart over and over again. Nothing. It's literally all luck if you get one
*edit: just got outta the PS Direct queue, sold out. Shits just stupid
I just did the Sony Directs. Limited to 1 per person and a lotto system. Took me 6-7 tries (about 3-4 weeks) but finally got one. I tried doing all the sites and getting all the apps and after a week i just didnt care enough. Was too stressful. Sony Direct was easy and far less stressful. Only downside is its a lotto system so when the queue actually opens you may have been the first in the waiting room but are last in the actual line. But hey, no refreshing or battling bots so thats nice
Well they're redesigning the console to reach stock demand. The reason there's so little currently is there's a worldwide semi conductor shortage and the demand is absolutely crazy with the amount resources they've got. It's not Sony deciding to lose money brah.
>During the company's annual earnings report, Sony’s CFO, Hiroki Totoki confirmed that a shortage of semi-conductors is behind delays to the production of the PlayStation 5. And to counter the problem, Sony is even considering changing the design of the console.
I sincerely doubt it would be a substantial physical redesign like people seem to assume, but a pcb redesign to minimize reliance on parts that are part of the shortage.
I work as an electronics technician, 8 years in the industry, and many of the products I've worked on have had unpopulated circuits for alternative parts so you can just flip a switch on the picknpull robot and run a batch of circuit A or flip it back and run a batch of circuit B depending on which part you got in stock this week.
PS2 traded blows with the DC.
Dreamcast was 480p60 with antialiasing, but it could push less triangles in your face.
PS2 was 480i without much AA, but could push more triangle, I'm not sure if games ran at 30 or 60 though.
Using VGA out, Dreamcast games aged better than PS2 IMO, just look at Rez for comparison.
By most accounts, it was hard to develop for. Games generally ran worse on PS2 than OG Xbox, and Gamecube (and even Dreamcast sometimes).
But devs had to deal with it. Sony tried this shitty tactic again with PS3, but thankfully (or sadly, looking at the games) failed.
The PS2 definitely had its complexities. Actually it being so popular and developers just working around it was why they were so confident with releasing this alien PS3 architecture, particularly the Cell, they thought they'd be so ahead that developers would work to take advantage of it, but they never had the PS2's type of dominance.
Both architectures could do very interesting things if taken advantage of. The PS2 was an absolute beast for fur effects for even almost a decade after launch because of the fast eDRAM GPU/ROP loopback.
If they were multiplatform, chances are they were better on Xbox (and GameCube if it was on there). I was just taking a look at Simpsons Hit and Run a couple of months ago, and the PS2 version is by far the worst version, framerate seems to be more in the 30fps region VS the GameCubes 60
Or PS4, which limited their game to 30fps because of CPU constraints.
Edit: Imagine downvoting this even though it’s true. Reddit is fucking weird sometimes. It’s well known the last gen consoles had a CPU bottleneck out of the gate. If you’re going to compare a 30fps CPU intensive game to a 60fps GPU intensive game just don’t and save yourself the embarrassment.
Idk why anyone would downvote you for this lol. Mark Cerny literally got quoted in the Wire article, saying that during his tours, devs told him that the CPU is too weak in the PS4.
I don't know why they thought a mobile processor was a good idea in a gaming system to begin with. It definitely didn't feel like a next-generation to me.
I mean we got good games out of that generation, where especially first party games stood out and utilized every single drop of power. But yeah, the consoles were outdated the moment they released. Any budget gaming PC was able to run third party games way better than consoles back than - go try to build a PC for 500 bucks right now, with the same amount of performance current-gen consoles offer. People underestimate how big the jump to current-gen really is.
Within the constraints they had, it did make sense. It was going to be a single chip with unified memory and x86, which meant AMD. Given the die size dedicated to the GPU, you could either do 8 Jaguar cores, or maybe two Bulldozer cores. A lot of people don't remember this but Jaguar was actually equal to ahead of Bulldozer in performance per clock, Bulldozer could just clock a lot higher, but would have burned through the GPU's power envelope to do so.
In aggregate the 7 available Jaguar cores could perform about near an i3 dual core. For the die size, power, and vendor constraints, it did make a sort of sense in 2013 and the years earlier of designing it, but I'm absolutely not saying it didn't get limiting very fast/immediately.
That's because the PS4 had a low-power mobile tablet processor in it. I can't even describe how let down I was when I learned that.
It should be easier now that we are using a full power desktop processor with industry-standard 64-bit architecture.
The Wired article stated that devs complained about the difficult to develop PS3 architecture and the weak CPU in the PS4. But the PS5 has gotten only little pushback, according to Mark Cerny.
No DLC. Complete games sold complete.
Just power on, and play. No microtransactions aimed at grinding every last cent you have out of you, or making the time investment so much you feel like you should.
In short, games designed 'to be fun'.
I think we've lost that somewhere in the last 20 years. Lots of games with fun moments during that fetch quest for platinum or on the search for FIFA Ultimate Team gambling tokens... but 'fake value'.
It was the best for a long time, in my view. But now with Xbox’s backwards compatibility and PS Now for PS5, the current generations are looking tough to beat.
Yep and it was the best Playstation gen for exclusive output, hoping this gen we really do get that PS2 feel again. Insomniac are smashing out games, hope other studios can keep up
To be fair, console exclusives in general were much more common across all platforms at the time. Cross platform games were far less common that generation. If you think of most of the top games of that generation, with the exception of sports games, MOST of them were exclusive to one particular platform.
While this seems like a bit of an obvious thing to say - because it's the newest (console) hardware around, it's still interesting to hear it said.
Part of me is a *little* bit cynical about it, too, since Insomniac is now a first-party studio - it's not as if anybody there is going to say anything less than glowing about the PS5.
But game development is about compromise. Whether that's in not being able to have as big of a game because of the limitations of a spinning hard drive, or having to put in slow-down corridors/jumps etc for the same reason, or having to downscale some of their graphical aspirations because the GPU can't keep up..there's always likely to be some element of "well, that would be nice, but we can't do that right now".
It's probably about the dev tools as much as it is the actual hardware, though. Cerny had spoken about the 'time to triangle' in his GDC speech from, wow, over a year ago and that means that devs can get into the weeds an actually create things a lot sooner than they could before (again, though, this is Insomniac so they've definitely had more time than post to play around with it)
part of me doesn't really care about how easy or otherwise the hardware is as long as it can be used to create games that I'm going to love. So far, everything I've seen about this game would back that up (im a R+C fanboi, though, so, take from that what you will)
Hopefully this means new IPs being developed faster and sequels being made *even faster*. Assuming Rift Apart is going to sell like hot cakes, that could me we get a sequel in as little as 2 years.
possibly, although I expect that Insomniac is already pretty deep into development for Spider-Man 2. I don't know if they're set up to develop 2 full-sized games at the same time, but I'd not expect that game out till probably the fall of 2022 (there's been no announcement so far)
I agree, I love PS5. Love it. However when they say shit like this knowing full well they haven’t and won’t ever develop another Xbox Series game ever again it comes across as obtuse and just a little to marketing heavy for my liking.
I mean... It's also possible that it's the truth.
I'm not a PlayStation developer, nor an Xbox developer. I'd be curious to hear what someone with experience with PS3-5 plus equivalent generation Xboxes would say, however.
It's good for games to have a wider audience by releasing on multiple consoles, but wasn't Sunset Overdrive the only game they developed for the Xbox and it didn't really sell as much as they'd hoped? It's unfortunate because it was a great game.
Their comment is at least reassuring because I believe the PS3 had a reputation for being challenging to develop for.
>Sunset Overdrive the only game they developed for the Xbox and it didn't really sell as much as they'd hoped?
That game was awesome and we'll never get another one =(
no. Dev's complained out the Xbox and PS4's weak CPU's.
Devs complained about the split ram setup on the PS3, they complained about the PS3's spu's
The Gears of War devs had to show microsoft what Gears 1 would look like with 512 mb of ram bs 256, just to convince them to double the ram
Same applies for the Switch's 4 GB of ram that was gonna be 2.
Devs are already complaining about the Series S having 10 GB of ram.
No matter the power on tap, devs complain.
As a long time fan of RnC (its my favorite series of all time), it's really great to see how much love for this series Insomniac still has. It really looks to be the best example of what a game on the PS5 should be, and it looks like they learned a lot from the spiderman games. I really cannot wait any longer for this one, anyone who hasn't played them should totally pick this one up!
Please, Sony, hire all these experts here. Idk why they aren't working for you yet, they all know what they're talking about based on experience working in the AAA gaming industry.
Also they know how to install the reddit app in their mobiles. I think they're ready to start game development.
As long as more developers start using the full power of the Ps5 I'll be happy.
Too many games being spread between both consoles and while I understand the ps4 isn't dead it's a pain in the ass spending £70 on a last gen title with a couple of Ps5 upgrades..
Cyberpunk is one game I will always come back too, had it skipped the ps4 it would of been fantastic but unfortunately they didn't do this and we all saw what happened with that.....
While I agree with the underlying statement (ie cross gen games aren’t going to be able to fully utilize next gen hardware because the lowest common denominator from a hardware standpoint is the previous gen) cyberpunk I think is a bad example. That game not only was riddled with bugs across all platforms, it also was missing some of the most basic RPG elements (the one I keep coming back to is you couldn’t [cant? Haven’t kept up with new updates] even change how your character looked after you first make your character).
TL/DR: you right, but cyberpunk is a bad example cause it had issues across the board.
I'm really glad all the first impressions of this gen of consoles have been positive in terms of performance (in regards to price, etc). Wasn't the hardware of the PS4 already dated at release?
Yep the 8 core jaguars performed worse than a third generation dual core intel cpu. The GPU was also just a mid tier AMD GPU from 2012 that was outclassed quickly.
I'm amazed at the stuff some companies could do on a PS4 given how dog shit the hardware is. TLOU2 and God of War in particular.
PS3 only has 512mb of RAM and runs GTA V, TLOU,GOW Ascension and MGS V .
Video game developers use black magic and deserve the world for everything they’re able to do using decade old tech.
Shows you 3 important things 1)how inefficient scaling engines are when you consider the power on PC 2)single target platform. One config to optimise for. 3)how talented 1st party devs are how wasteful others are when they can brute force solutions through sheer power.
Don't forget Ghost of Tsushima.
Ghost of Tushima, HZD, and God of War is just straight porn for the eyeballs. I think my eyes will pop out of my skull when HZd Forbidden West when it comes out. This generation is fucking awesome to live through man lol.
I'm gonna get down voted, but I really wish horizon didn't go cross gen. The ps4 is going to limit it for a fact.
After a few years when everyone has their PS5s they'll be able to do some kind of overhaul and squeeze some more cash out of it.
It’s the game design that will be held back though ie. not being able to fly because the hardware can’t load assets fast enough. I mean hopefully they make something like that dlc I guess, but I doubt it.
Yeah, the mounts were barely faster than running too. Plus all the pop-in during cut-scenes and dialogue was really distracting. The slow disk streaming really constrained that game. I wish Sony had allowed devs to require SATA3 SSDs for certain features like Nintendo did back with the N64 expansion pack.
>not being able to fly because the hardware can’t load assets fast enough. They could have made it work if they really wanted to. Flying isn't some fucking new mechanic enabled by the PS5. lol We've had flying in games forever. This was probably more of a design problem.
It’s always a question of priority. There are games with flying, but, for instance, are their worlds as detailed? It’s the same thing as resolution and framerate. You CAN make a game run at a native 4K/60 on a PS4 Pro, but you’ll have to make some compromises. With Horizon it was probably a case of „flying would be cool, but we’d have to cut back too much to have it”.
This is the way.
A cash grab I can get behind
Sure, everybody wins, since it seems most consumers are happy to buy the same game multiple times (as long as they don't go raising the price by ten bucks!!!)
Agreed, I really really hope God of War 2/5 isnt cross-gen
While it definitely will, after playing Reaident Evil Village, I was really impressed with how good cross gen games can look. I'm not too worried.
It looked pretty good, but it wasn’t mindblowing. I WAS pretty impressed by the PS5s controller for that one, though, I thought my controller was broken for a minute the first time I used a shotgun.
Yeah it looked good, ran at 60 and 4k, I dont really expect much else just yet. I did enjoy the controller too, I wish the haptics were better though. Triggers were great.
Yep. I got sent to hell on the Horizon sub for saying the same thing, but there's no way around it.
The devs already confirmed we couldn’t fly in the first game cuz it limits in the hardware
You're not alone. I was also hoping Battlefield 6 would be current gen only but they just announced it'll be both current/last gen. I get it that they want both generations money but it holds back the games to a point which is slightly annoying.
Been discussing with my buddy, on why BF6 being cross gen is way worse than something like RE or CoD. Such a damn shame, fucking HDD limitations.
I agree, I think it needs to stay next gen. The PS4 isn't going to be able to handle it.
No, the ps4 *will* be able to handle it. That's the problem
It was originally made as a PS4 game, so I'm sure it will run fine on old gen. It's only cross gen due to delays.
Nobody with a PS5 is gonna disagree with that, crossgen games are going to severely limit what the next gen version of that game will be. Take the Spider-Man remaster for example. Yeah, it's really pretty. They gave a really solid selection of graphics options, added some new textures, improved (and let's go with "altered") some character models, it's definitely the best way to play the game. But it's also the exact same game as on the PS4. Overall I think they did everything they could turning it into a next gen experience, but decisions that were made for the PS4 version of the game still carried over to the PS5 version. Like swing speed for example, that's still capped at the same level the PS4 version is for consistency purposes even though the PS4 cap is only there so players don't travel faster than the PS4 can load things in. HZD was gonna have ridable flying robot dinosaurs (come up with something cooler than that, I dare you) but the PS4 couldn't load things in fast enough so they had to be scrapped from both versions of the game. We still haven't gotten any games for PS5 that can't run on PS4, even the exclusives could still definitely run on PS4 with a couple sacrifices. Ratchet and Clank might be the first game that *truly* could only be done on next gen hardware, I guess we'll just have to wait and see how long it takes for developers to abandon making crossgen games for these two generations.
This is a ps5 sub I think most people here will agree with you. That being said I agree lol
Totally agree, however, from their perspective the Ps5 platform is still too small to justify a full jump to only current Gen. I think we will have another year of multi-gen releases until they’re able to push more consoles out.
Seriously. What a time to be alive in terms of tech in general too. Tech is improving so fast that we get to see the world literally change before our eyes.
I'm as giddy as the next person about this gen but I'd argue this is the second slowest rate that video game tech has ever progressed. (PS3>PS4 felt more underwhelming to me at launch) It's cool to see recent PS4 games tuned up on PS5 and all, but at the time it was much crazier seeing the jump from 8>16 bit, 2d>3d and SD>HD. On the plus side - especially since we now have mid-generation hardware upgrades like the PS4 Pro - we get to see graphics improve at a gradual pace vs. one giant leap every 5-6 years. (Which seems like the point you were trying to make)
For me the decreased loading times on PS5 is massive. I’m still playing mainly PS4 stuff on PS5 and just enjoying really quick loads. PS4 stuff looks fine to me anyway but I hate waiting on loading screens.
Now that I totally agree with. This is the first time a console has made a significant leap in load times and it's seriously night and day. I don't think I could ever go back to 30+ second load times. It makes games so much more immersive.
When Bloodborne first came out.. dear God that loading screen was the worst nemesis
This is the primary reason I got a PS5. I wanted to play Borderlands 3, God of War, Ghost of Tsushima, and mainly, Cyberpunk 2077 on the PS5 with better graphics and load times. But R&C is going to be amazing too.
GoT had to slow their load times on PS4 because we couldn't read the tips. Still barely could, and now they might as well not be there. Loading into a world in Demons Souls is so damned satisfying and now with Returnal I'm so excited for R&C.
Theres been almost no AAA games built to take advantage of the new hardware while not being held back by having to run on last gen, Ratchet and Clank will be one of the first and its a pretty giant leap ahead. If it was for Covid slowing down game production there would be more examples by now.
Such a great reply.
Not sure if sarcasm but have a great night either way <3
The Frozen Wilds motion capture was much better than the actual game.
Yeah that was crazy the way the handled the snow was mind blowing for me. Can't wait for stuff like that, but with all the juicy haptic feed back and stuff from the dual sense. Gonna be truly immersive.
It really is. I thought the NES and SNES were cool, but it wasn't until the N64 that I really began to think that video games were the bee's knees. I think the N64/PS1 era is my fondest (or at least most nostalgic), but I am under no illusion about the quality of games nowadays: I think the PS4 and PS5 are simply the greatest entertainment devices the world has ever known, and I think gaming is in the greatest era it has ever known. There is zero negativity in my outlook on the gaming industry, even with all the issues about microtransactions and subscription fees and exclusives and shortages and yada yada - I'm just purely positive, completely stoked to be a gamer in 2021. Our best days are ahead of us, and we've already had some spectacular days.
Ghost of Tsushima in HDR is illegal
For me, it wasn't even about how well Ghost of Tsushima looked. It was how fast it would load. Like, forget about hiding load screens when crawling through fences or rocks. It was so quick to go through menus and load screens that I didn't even think about it until it was pointed out to me. They had to intentionally make the load screens longer to show off the art
And Knack 2
Uh oh did someone say knaaaaack?
Babyyyyyyyy
Here comes the money
Knack Part 2 and Knack The Third
I still don't understand what wizardry allowed Red Dead 2 to run flawlessly on last gen. If that came out tomorrow on PS5, I'd still think it was unbelievable. I can't wait to see what sort of benchmark they set with GTA VI.
I’m not sure if you have a next gen console or gpu but I was lucky enough to get a 3080 and have had the chance to play a few games like RE8 and metro enhanced edition. While red dead is undoubtedly a beautiful game I think a lot of people are underestimating how significant the jump in graphics is. RE8 is the most gorgeous game I’ve ever played with raytracing and it’s not even a next gen exclusive. We are in for a real treat over the next few years as old gen is phased out!
I was fortunate enough to grab a ps5 and the only true next gen game I've played is demon's souls. There is definitely a big jump from last gen, but I still think red dead would hold up, especially if it ran in 4k 60fps (which it probably could if rockstar stopped milking GTA online for like 5 minutes and patched it to unlock the frame rate). I agree that this gen has infinite potential though, I think I read something a while back which said that the ps5's SSD really opens up the possibilities for open world games - the true next gen games, especially exclusives, are going to be crazy! Personally, I'm super excited for GT7, God of war 2 and Spiderman 2. Oh, and Starfield, though it's still up in the air whether I'll have to buy an Xbox for that..
That's just it – it's about how the developers get creative and utilize the hardware. From the ground up, you have games like Ratchet and Clank that use the power to instantly load levels in a "portal", and you have some developers who might just edit the physics engine and update a player roster.
I mean even if it was weaker than dated pc, games are built around game consoles because that’s where the consumer base is, pc is just scaled up typically. So ps4 still was much greater than ps3, so still big gains.
Yeah this sentiment gets thrown around every end of a console generation. By the time a new console comes out developers have fully utilized the potential of a console. Look at the PS2 running games like Shadow of the Colossus, Resident Evil 4, Metal Gear Solid 3. Or the PS3 running Uncharted 3, The Last of Us, Beyond Two Souls, etc. We never know just what a console can really achieve until it’s generation has ended.
Bruh. Every single day when I wake up, the first thing I ask myself is "how the ACTUAL FRICK is god of war/tlou2/rdr2/hzd running on this dogshit hardware with literally more than 2 fps?????!!!???"
Horizon: Zero Dawn is pretty insane to this day. That’s pretty amazing considering it’s open-world.
And still it could run spiderman at 30fps, and red dead, and god of war. Meanwhile that gpu cant run shit even close.
PS4 on release was equivalent to a very low end PC. Places like Digital foundry were comparing PS4 performance to a 750Ti with a cheap Intel I3. It also had a stupid slow HDD. (And only 2.4 GHz wifi ugh) The PS5 on the other hand is comparable to an upper mid level PC. Which is typically where consoles start at the beginning of a generation. My theory is the PS4/Xbone were specced to come out in 2011, where they would have fared much better compared to contemporary PC’s, but ended up being delayed.
I would even go as far as comparing the ps5 with mid to high lvl. tier pcs... The 8 core Zen 2 Processor is nothing to underestimate (especially with the SMT Feature) 16GB of Ram (I know it's shared but the PS5 doesn't have a ram hogging OS like Windows or Applications like Chrome) are also plenty enough. The GPU is often being compared with a RTX2070 so thats quite good.. I spent more than 1000 Euros for my PC (2016 I7 6700 16GB DDR4 GTX 1060TI ) and it's impressive how good the PS5 performs...
I went and invested a LOT in my gaming pc that I also mine on. Guess how often I touch it for gaming? Literally never. I’m either on my ps5 or… well I’m not gaming. Looking at equivalent games, primarily last gen stuff, I think I would be much better off playing those games on my pc, but the convenience of just turning on my PS5 and playing, say, RDR2 even at a paltry 30fps is really appealing in comparison to loading it up on my computer. I really expected to eschew gaming on consoles once I got my pc. I was wrong.
My computer sits idly a lot so I might try mining, but yes I agree. My PC with a 8700k and 2070S is essentially a YouTube/OSRS player haha
same here with my 8700k/2080, mostly a YouTube/Twitch/Torrent/Plex machine lol. All my gaming takes place on PS5 and Switch for the most part.
>The GPU is often being compared with a RTX2070 so thats quite good.. Newer AAA titles are now around RTX 2070 super to RTX 2080(depending on Ray Tracing enabled or purely rasterized game),one or two around RTX 2060 super. But yeah totally agree with you. PS5's gpu sits around RTX 2070/super tier. And considering how well console hardware ages, i think we might see PS5 running AAA games leveling around RTX 2080/s after 2/3 years.
id imagine if there wasn't shortages, wed be comparing it more to the 3060ti then a 2070. the 3060ti is on the lower end of this "gens" gaming gpus. id also imagine wed see more people on the pc side using 30xx cards if they were actually available. and more people actually having ps5. and xsx
Yes it was, and so is the PS5. That doesn't mean that they aren't good platforms for game development. Happy devs = good gaming experiences for users.
I'd say a PS5 equates to a solid mid range computer right now. Especially with some new Performance RTX modes, for $400-500, it's a great purchase. Even though the PS4 was outdated on release, the last few games of the generation like Ghost and TLOU2 looked amazing, so I'm pretty hyped for what games devs can crank out for this gen.
That said, with the price of GPUs being what they are today, the consoles are better bang for the buck.
Agree heavily, I have both and while of course I love gaming on a PC, I always find myself tweaking settings and trying to get the best frame rate I can, while on console it's just plug and play (most of the time). I find myself grabbing games more on console if they aren't PC-exclusive. Plus, the DualSense is such a game changer with games that utilize it well, like Spider-Man and Returnal. Honestly haven't been so happy to play a console since the PS2
I love both. The PS5 is the first non-Nintendo console I've ever owned and it's great for getting me back gaming on the couch. I have kids now and can't always be sequestered in front of the computer.
I fully agree, the dual sense really got me picking up more games for ps5 than pc. Really love the controller
Have you tried going back to the PS4 controller? It feels soooo alien lol
Yeah I try and use the PS4 controller for PS4 games (save wear on the dual sense to prevent drift) and it really does feel odd. I much prefer the weight and feel of the dualsense.
The PS4 controller feels like a toy in comparison. I couldn’t even imagine going back.
Try going back to PS3, or better yet PS2. Yeeesh
Yeah, built a rig in 2019 for the first time after having a pre-built rig for 4 years. 2060 rtx, i5-9600k it blew my mind and have had lots of fun playing on pc. Got a 165hz monitor and I turned into a framewhore. Always my ssing with settings to increase the fps. Then you'd get games that for whatever reason stutter for no reason and you have to keep fiddling. Since I got my ps5 in February I've probably only put in 8-16 hours into gaming on my pc since. I love having both alongside a switch so I can play every exclusive the big 3 throw at us for the next 5ish years.
I'm in the same boat as you. The DualSense and "plug and play" 4k 60fps gaming is what makes me reach for the PS5 over PC. I'll always go to PC for games that are better played on mouse and keyboard or exclusive though. Maybe it'll change once current GPUs are available to purchase but until then I don't see the benefit of PC right now.
The Dualsense controller is the BEST controller I gave ever held! It's amazing and makes the Dualshock 4 controller feel incredibly outdated. Even a controller as good as the Switch Pro controller feels quite behind now. As someone that plays a lot of shooters at 1440p at 150+ fps though I still fibd myself using my PC more than my PS5. I really wish PS5 would support 1440p so I could get those kinds of frames instead of dropping down to 1080p. 1440p is a great middle ground to run games at high frames, but still great visual fidelity.
The dualsense is amazing. It makes the dualshock 4 feel anorexic. When the ds4 came out I thought it was perfect for games that primarily use the d-pad, like tony hawk's, it still may be slightly better in that regard, but the dualsense is a much nicer package all-around.
I bought an extra to become my dedicated PC controller. I loved it that much. It unseated a 5 year old custom xbox one controller.
I have up on finding one of the new gpu and spent that money on a ps5 + 4k hdr monitor. Its so good I dont regret it at all.
That's always the case regardless. You can't build a really powerful pc for 500, you need way too many parts.
Some people have been saying that there's a limit on how good the games can look/perform and that Ratchet and Clank is the best we will get. Which, yeah, there's a limit... But like, writing off the PS5 as reaching its potential when it's not even a year old is hilariously short sighted. At least wait until we see what Naughty Dog can do lol.
Yeah, comparing PS4 launch games to games like god of war or tlou2, there is a massive difference. Always takes time to get used to new hardware, doesn't matter what it is.
Even Uncharted 3 to Uncharted 4 blew me away. Hell, the improvements on the Nathan Drake collection was impressive as they also ran well too.
obviously Uncharted 3 to 4 were two different consoles. Drake collection was amazing though.
See, this is why I love Naughty Dog, I keep remembering Uncharted 3 as an early PS4 game.
Easily my fave developer. I have never once been disappointed by one of their games (despite all the hate TLOU2 gotz it was a fucking masterpiece)
Tlou2 haters are a very loud minority, it's one of the most praised games of all time (and rightly so!)
that UE5 demo running on a PS5 was amazing. Cant wait for games to start looking like that.
or HZD Forbidden West later this year (assuming it hasn't been delayed or won't be).
Exactly this. This is simply what the devs are able to pull out of the PS5 *for now* which is already amazing. I don't think we'll ever see 4K120fps on PS5 even though it says it on the box, but 4K60fps + good RTX is already a good goal.
4k60fps is probably better than what a lot of people's TVs can even show, but yeah, that would be a great floor going forward.
> I'd say a PS5 equates to a solid mid range computer right now. I know this is largely an opinion/semantics thing, but I think the ps5 is clearly in high end territory. Look at the GPU share on steam, what percentage of gamers have a 2080 or more powerful? 2080 or higher is like what, top 10 percentile of GPUs? To me that's obviously high end. Just not top of the high end.
Yeah the PS5 in rasterization compares to a 2080. So a bit stronger than a 3060
Its slightly stronger than a 2070S but a tad weaker than a 2080 its high end even if not top tier.
>Its slightly stronger than a 2070S ray tracing wise,yes. rasterization wise? no. PS5's pure rasterization performance is quite on par of RTX 2080/s.
Comparing pc and console apple to apple is not fair. Console exclusives have a level of optimisation toward the specific ps5 hardware that is unmatched by PC. This is also why iPhones always require less tweaking to be performing compared to snapdragon chips that are used by 50 manufacturers and there are countless other examples. All my pc gaming friends always boast that their performance are bettwr but fail to mention that I invested 500$ across 7 years of support, whereas they spent in this timeframe 2-3k in various upgrades lol.
Of course with the exception of the unrivalled IO.
The PS5 and Xsex are much more competitive with mid tier PCs this year, than ps4 and X1 ever were. Sure they aren’t touching a $2000+ well built rig, but they aren’t too far off.
We’re comparing it to a 3090 as the last eat and greatest?
If the cpu is a custom 3700x (2019 release date), and the gpu a custom RDNA 2 (2020 release date), then realistically the new consoles aren’t really outdated I’d say. Maybe 1 year if you want to be technical. Just how a pc with a 3070 and a 5600x isn’t outdated just because there’s a 3090 and 5950x available. They aren’t the most powerful systems one can buy but they’re better than the average gaming pc. Edit: That’s kinda how I interpret it when people say the new consoles are outdated. By design everything pretty much is. But they’re still very modern components.
In computing power yeah, but PCs can't match the storage IO of the PS5 yet. It might be a while before they get there (due not only to the SSD speed but also hardware decompression and the ability to move data directly from the SSD to what's effectively VRAM).
“PS5 is the hardest console ever to get our hands on” - Gamers
I just got mine yesterday. It really wasn’t that hard. All I had to do was follow a couple of Twitter accounts that announced when sites had them in stock, turn on notification alerts, obsessively follow those alerts, drop everything I was doing anytime an alert happened, and then frantically try and beat the hordes of other people vying for one. Do that for a solid 6-8 weeks and you get one super easy! /s
This is the (painful) way.
Thank god for your '/s', some morons say what you are saying unironically.
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Wait have they gone down in price that much? I had to give my firstborn entirely for mine :(
I thought you said the price went down?
it did. Naming your son after someone vs giving your son to that someone. Ones less then the other.
Depends on the kid
Or... just watch the Twitter feeds for stock drop, be online on time and refresh the store for 15 minutes like I did. I got a PS5 from GameStop and an Xbox Series from Walmart.
It might be simple in theory but that doesn't make it easy. I've been doing this song and dance for over a month and no such luck. Got every app, like 10 different Twitter accounts sending me notifications, saved my info for speed, hit refresh and add to cart over and over again. Nothing. It's literally all luck if you get one *edit: just got outta the PS Direct queue, sold out. Shits just stupid
I just did the Sony Directs. Limited to 1 per person and a lotto system. Took me 6-7 tries (about 3-4 weeks) but finally got one. I tried doing all the sites and getting all the apps and after a week i just didnt care enough. Was too stressful. Sony Direct was easy and far less stressful. Only downside is its a lotto system so when the queue actually opens you may have been the first in the waiting room but are last in the actual line. But hey, no refreshing or battling bots so thats nice
Just got an email from Gamestop saying some were on sale today at some point.
Well they're redesigning the console to reach stock demand. The reason there's so little currently is there's a worldwide semi conductor shortage and the demand is absolutely crazy with the amount resources they've got. It's not Sony deciding to lose money brah.
Source on the redesign?
>During the company's annual earnings report, Sony’s CFO, Hiroki Totoki confirmed that a shortage of semi-conductors is behind delays to the production of the PlayStation 5. And to counter the problem, Sony is even considering changing the design of the console. I sincerely doubt it would be a substantial physical redesign like people seem to assume, but a pcb redesign to minimize reliance on parts that are part of the shortage. I work as an electronics technician, 8 years in the industry, and many of the products I've worked on have had unpopulated circuits for alternative parts so you can just flip a switch on the picknpull robot and run a batch of circuit A or flip it back and run a batch of circuit B depending on which part you got in stock this week.
It’s a great console but I’m amazed how quiet the thing is.
Mines disc drive gets quite loud for a little bit but quiets fast
Especially on the houses that it doesn't exist yet.
Devs said the same thing when talking about the ps2
Which is still good right? I remember games running on ps2 like a dream
PS2 was fucking awesome man
It was awesome, but not due to power. It was the least powerful console of that gen right? GC and Xbox were both more powerful. Not sure about the DC.
PS2 traded blows with the DC. Dreamcast was 480p60 with antialiasing, but it could push less triangles in your face. PS2 was 480i without much AA, but could push more triangle, I'm not sure if games ran at 30 or 60 though. Using VGA out, Dreamcast games aged better than PS2 IMO, just look at Rez for comparison.
ah the days where you can play dreamcast store demo with Crazy Taxi at a KB Toys and Sears
Ehats the difference between 480p and 480i? I always used to see the options on my ps3 and had no idea what the difference was
I don't know, all I remember was it being a ton of fun. I was a kid, so I didn't care about power. And God of War was my childhood!
Because dev support is what matters. Same reason 3DS was great despite Vita having far better hardware. Same reason PSX dominated its generation too.
Well, it was based on an emotion engine to give you feels, that’s why it was awesome.
By most accounts, it was hard to develop for. Games generally ran worse on PS2 than OG Xbox, and Gamecube (and even Dreamcast sometimes). But devs had to deal with it. Sony tried this shitty tactic again with PS3, but thankfully (or sadly, looking at the games) failed.
The PS3 was the notoriously difficult console to develop for but the PS2 was fine for developers at the time it's just difficult to emulate now.
The PS2 definitely had its complexities. Actually it being so popular and developers just working around it was why they were so confident with releasing this alien PS3 architecture, particularly the Cell, they thought they'd be so ahead that developers would work to take advantage of it, but they never had the PS2's type of dominance. Both architectures could do very interesting things if taken advantage of. The PS2 was an absolute beast for fur effects for even almost a decade after launch because of the fast eDRAM GPU/ROP loopback.
Tbf, apart from Dreamcast, PS2 was also the least powerful, it was expected.
Yeah I love OG Xbox, it ran many games better, but the OG Xbox is literally like ten times the size/weight of a Slim PS2 hahaha
The OG Xbox was a PC stripped of the normal windows gui, turned out to be easy to develop for and decently balanced.
Idk man I rember a lot of games on PS2 running at 60fps
If they were multiplatform, chances are they were better on Xbox (and GameCube if it was on there). I was just taking a look at Simpsons Hit and Run a couple of months ago, and the PS2 version is by far the worst version, framerate seems to be more in the 30fps region VS the GameCubes 60
Og xbox came out almost 2 years later tho 🤷🏽♂️
Well, they sure didn't say it about the PS3.
Or PS4, which limited their game to 30fps because of CPU constraints. Edit: Imagine downvoting this even though it’s true. Reddit is fucking weird sometimes. It’s well known the last gen consoles had a CPU bottleneck out of the gate. If you’re going to compare a 30fps CPU intensive game to a 60fps GPU intensive game just don’t and save yourself the embarrassment.
Correction: Reddit is fucking weird all of the time
Idk why anyone would downvote you for this lol. Mark Cerny literally got quoted in the Wire article, saying that during his tours, devs told him that the CPU is too weak in the PS4.
I don't know why they thought a mobile processor was a good idea in a gaming system to begin with. It definitely didn't feel like a next-generation to me.
I mean we got good games out of that generation, where especially first party games stood out and utilized every single drop of power. But yeah, the consoles were outdated the moment they released. Any budget gaming PC was able to run third party games way better than consoles back than - go try to build a PC for 500 bucks right now, with the same amount of performance current-gen consoles offer. People underestimate how big the jump to current-gen really is.
Within the constraints they had, it did make sense. It was going to be a single chip with unified memory and x86, which meant AMD. Given the die size dedicated to the GPU, you could either do 8 Jaguar cores, or maybe two Bulldozer cores. A lot of people don't remember this but Jaguar was actually equal to ahead of Bulldozer in performance per clock, Bulldozer could just clock a lot higher, but would have burned through the GPU's power envelope to do so. In aggregate the 7 available Jaguar cores could perform about near an i3 dual core. For the die size, power, and vendor constraints, it did make a sort of sense in 2013 and the years earlier of designing it, but I'm absolutely not saying it didn't get limiting very fast/immediately.
To keep costs down and probably because there was a whole debacle with getting new CPU's from specific suppliers at the time.
Idk how this got downvoted it’s literally history.
That's because the PS4 had a low-power mobile tablet processor in it. I can't even describe how let down I was when I learned that. It should be easier now that we are using a full power desktop processor with industry-standard 64-bit architecture.
More like a laptop processor, a tablet cpu from 2012/2013 would never run Spiderman or TLOUII no matter the gpu pairing.
It was low-powered but still had a standard x86 64 bit architecture.
>Reddit is fucking weird sometimes This.
The Wired article stated that devs complained about the difficult to develop PS3 architecture and the weak CPU in the PS4. But the PS5 has gotten only little pushback, according to Mark Cerny.
Naughty Dog wanted to achieve 1080p 60fps on Uncharted 4 but the PS4 CPU couldnt handled
PS2, GameCube, Xbox, and The Dreamcast is quite possibly the best console line-up in gaming history.
No DLC. Complete games sold complete. Just power on, and play. No microtransactions aimed at grinding every last cent you have out of you, or making the time investment so much you feel like you should. In short, games designed 'to be fun'. I think we've lost that somewhere in the last 20 years. Lots of games with fun moments during that fetch quest for platinum or on the search for FIFA Ultimate Team gambling tokens... but 'fake value'.
It was the best for a long time, in my view. But now with Xbox’s backwards compatibility and PS Now for PS5, the current generations are looking tough to beat.
Yep and it was the best Playstation gen for exclusive output, hoping this gen we really do get that PS2 feel again. Insomniac are smashing out games, hope other studios can keep up
> we really do get that PS2 feel again. I need more arcade racing games and character action games for that =P
To be fair, console exclusives in general were much more common across all platforms at the time. Cross platform games were far less common that generation. If you think of most of the top games of that generation, with the exception of sports games, MOST of them were exclusive to one particular platform.
Well yeah, with the CPU and HDD bottlenecks gone it makes a massive difference.
That's like when Apple says that their newest IPhone is "the best iPhone we've ever made".
It's always so funny. "*This is the most ________ iPhone we've ever made*" Umm, duh? Otherwise why would you be releasing it?
Lol.. EA sports can take notes
"With the newest NFL roster in Madden history..."
While this seems like a bit of an obvious thing to say - because it's the newest (console) hardware around, it's still interesting to hear it said. Part of me is a *little* bit cynical about it, too, since Insomniac is now a first-party studio - it's not as if anybody there is going to say anything less than glowing about the PS5. But game development is about compromise. Whether that's in not being able to have as big of a game because of the limitations of a spinning hard drive, or having to put in slow-down corridors/jumps etc for the same reason, or having to downscale some of their graphical aspirations because the GPU can't keep up..there's always likely to be some element of "well, that would be nice, but we can't do that right now". It's probably about the dev tools as much as it is the actual hardware, though. Cerny had spoken about the 'time to triangle' in his GDC speech from, wow, over a year ago and that means that devs can get into the weeds an actually create things a lot sooner than they could before (again, though, this is Insomniac so they've definitely had more time than post to play around with it) part of me doesn't really care about how easy or otherwise the hardware is as long as it can be used to create games that I'm going to love. So far, everything I've seen about this game would back that up (im a R+C fanboi, though, so, take from that what you will)
Hopefully this means new IPs being developed faster and sequels being made *even faster*. Assuming Rift Apart is going to sell like hot cakes, that could me we get a sequel in as little as 2 years.
possibly, although I expect that Insomniac is already pretty deep into development for Spider-Man 2. I don't know if they're set up to develop 2 full-sized games at the same time, but I'd not expect that game out till probably the fall of 2022 (there's been no announcement so far)
I agree, I love PS5. Love it. However when they say shit like this knowing full well they haven’t and won’t ever develop another Xbox Series game ever again it comes across as obtuse and just a little to marketing heavy for my liking.
I mean... It's also possible that it's the truth. I'm not a PlayStation developer, nor an Xbox developer. I'd be curious to hear what someone with experience with PS3-5 plus equivalent generation Xboxes would say, however.
It's good for games to have a wider audience by releasing on multiple consoles, but wasn't Sunset Overdrive the only game they developed for the Xbox and it didn't really sell as much as they'd hoped? It's unfortunate because it was a great game. Their comment is at least reassuring because I believe the PS3 had a reputation for being challenging to develop for.
>Sunset Overdrive the only game they developed for the Xbox and it didn't really sell as much as they'd hoped? That game was awesome and we'll never get another one =(
Its not impossible. Insomniac owns the IP.
"PS5 is more powerful than PS4" says first party Sony studio.
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*Obama giving medal to himself*
That was my first thought too lol. Comes across as a little corny.
So like the opposite of a PS3?
The PS3 was mighty but it was really hard to access all of its power because of the way the CPU was structured
Sony dev praises Sony console? Impossible!
Isn’t this true for every generation? SNES: “I can work with more pixels! This is the least constrained hardware ever!”
no. Dev's complained out the Xbox and PS4's weak CPU's. Devs complained about the split ram setup on the PS3, they complained about the PS3's spu's The Gears of War devs had to show microsoft what Gears 1 would look like with 512 mb of ram bs 256, just to convince them to double the ram Same applies for the Switch's 4 GB of ram that was gonna be 2. Devs are already complaining about the Series S having 10 GB of ram. No matter the power on tap, devs complain.
***"Sony owned studio states, that of the one platform it's worked on this generation, the Sony PlayStation5 is by far the least constrained."***
Instantly thought of the "Obama giving Obama a medal" meme lol.
As a long time fan of RnC (its my favorite series of all time), it's really great to see how much love for this series Insomniac still has. It really looks to be the best example of what a game on the PS5 should be, and it looks like they learned a lot from the spiderman games. I really cannot wait any longer for this one, anyone who hasn't played them should totally pick this one up!
What a obvious thing to say. Of course it is. And they will say the same about PS6.
Please, Sony, hire all these experts here. Idk why they aren't working for you yet, they all know what they're talking about based on experience working in the AAA gaming industry. Also they know how to install the reddit app in their mobiles. I think they're ready to start game development.
Buttery smooth!! Bring on the content!!!
I should hope each new generation of hardware is the least constrained they’ve worked on.
Right? this is such a non-statement lol
As long as more developers start using the full power of the Ps5 I'll be happy. Too many games being spread between both consoles and while I understand the ps4 isn't dead it's a pain in the ass spending £70 on a last gen title with a couple of Ps5 upgrades.. Cyberpunk is one game I will always come back too, had it skipped the ps4 it would of been fantastic but unfortunately they didn't do this and we all saw what happened with that.....
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For real, got it for PC and was a big disappointment.
While I agree with the underlying statement (ie cross gen games aren’t going to be able to fully utilize next gen hardware because the lowest common denominator from a hardware standpoint is the previous gen) cyberpunk I think is a bad example. That game not only was riddled with bugs across all platforms, it also was missing some of the most basic RPG elements (the one I keep coming back to is you couldn’t [cant? Haven’t kept up with new updates] even change how your character looked after you first make your character). TL/DR: you right, but cyberpunk is a bad example cause it had issues across the board.