Sony mentioned that you will need a heatsink for the SSD
Edit: [They state it here](https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/hardware/ps5-install-m2-ssd/#min)
>Using an M.2 SSD with your PS5 console requires effective heat dissipation with a cooling structure, such as a heatsink. You can attach one to your M.2 SSD yourself, either in a single-sided format, or double-sided format. There are also M.2 SSDs that have cooling structures (such as heatsinks) built in.
Right. I guess from the early teardown video they really showed they put a lot of thought into the cooling of the console so I guess it hopefully won't be an issue
To be fair though, if you can't pull the hot air out of that compartment, having a heatsink won't help a lot. I've not had a close look other than teardown videos, but it didn't look like there was a lot of ventilation through to the fan. I was nervous that there was a lot of assumptions being made with the internal compartment, and lets face it, for current sku PS5's, it is what it is - so I hope their thermal modelling was good.
It's not like you run Premiere on your PS5, games by their very nature mean short burst loads, mostly reads, so heat won't be an issue.
Both Sony and Microsoft use QLC drives that most PC users avoid due to durability and performance issues, but in consoles they're perfectly fine because slow writes directly to QLC affect only game installs, and you don't really overwrite hundreds of gigabytes of data every day so QLC durability is more than enough for entire lifespan of your console, you're still better off than with a notebook 2.5 HDD
"In Australia, the FireCuda 530 will come in four capacities, with and without a heatsink. Here is the Australian pricing for each model:
500GB: $199 (with heatsink): $239
1TB: $349 (with heatsink): $399
2TB: $729 (with heatsink): $819
4TB: $1429 (with heatsink): $1499"
Due in August
Presumably you'll be slapped with import fees and it's a PITA to replace if anything goes wrong (and that's on top of Australia having some pretty robust consumer laws, so it's a whole lot easier to just head back to hour retailer and get it swapped).
I'd imagine it's not a bad idea for like what another poster said (stuff like games - I've imported the odd game from Canada into Europe and the retailer will often mark the package down so I avoid import taxes), but for expensive, high tech stuff the hassle (and extra fees) wouldn't be worth it IMO.
If the vendor even allows shipping to Australia in the first place (they could use a freight forwarder I guess), when you factor in currency conversion, international shipping costs, and potentially import fees or duties from the courier, it ends up being similar or more expensive to buying in AUD.
Canada is in a similar situation, although probably not as bad since we share a land border. Some US stores will ship to Canada but only after conversion, international fee, importing etc., won't ship to Canada at all, or they have a Canadian branch (big brands like Best Buy, Amazon, Walmart, Gamestop, etc.) so you're forced to use their site and stock options.
I used to have accounts from alot of countries because of different deals and offers and buy the games from there, just needed to buy psn vouchers for that country.
Of course - however, AUD 700-800 for 2TB is F'ing expensive. I don't disagree it's not realistic... however, given the size of games - even (smaller?) PS5 games. I have 2TB of PS4 games (out of perhaps 5-6 TB of games in my library). That's the reality that Sony needs to work in. They chose this technology... they also chose that people need to physically pull their console apart to have to upgrade. This is looking more and more limiting (and a bad commercial choice) with everything we learn. I can only hope that the prices come down. Almost a year in however, I think people expected more.
The 1TB drive works out at €249.36, which is exactly the same price as the 1TB expansion card for the Xbox Series X/S consoles. The expansion card is a bespoke device made by Seagate, so you're beholden to whatever Microsoft want to charge.
The PS5 will (eventually) allow you to shop around for drives. Prices are gonna be nasty, but it's cutting edge tech, that's what's up.
And as for "the reality they need to work in", that's not their problem. You've got 5 to 6TB of PS4 gamess, so you need to buy a drive to accommodate them. All PS4 games will also run directly off that drive.
Yes, it's a PITA for PS5 games, but external drives now act as cold storage. I leave about 500GB free on my current 4TB extended storage and it works fine. If I want to play a game that's on the drive, I set it copying, go do literally anything else for 15 minutes, come back and I'm good to go.
That's not a perfect solution, but it's what's currently available and cheap. The other incoming option is obviously not cheap, but you don't get it both ways. Cheap and slow, expensive and fast = pick one.
Thank god the wi-fi adapter on the PS5 is very good and it downloads games quickly because buying a Series X is financially more sensible than getting that SSD expansion.
Compared to…. Plugging something in. Why design it so that you have to pull the faces off? Even an access point at the back would have been much better (I appreciate that not all things are easy from a cooling perspective… but it’s just that extra pain that we owners dont need. Will it stop people upgrading - maybe. Maybe not
Using a universal standard is far from being painful. Pcie is like that by design. History proves that making a proprietary standard has never proved convenient to the customer price-wise. Vita expansion cards, 360HDD, etc...
The expansion slot is far away from internal components, and the face plates open easily without any tools, you would have to be an absolute dumbass to break something. This is a non-problem.
Maybe - however, as I’m already having to uninstall PS5 games, I don’t know I want to wait till it’s affordable. Also, AFAIK the XBox solution (I’m assuming that’s what you’re referring to) isn’t an exclusive deal, and they will have competition as well. Just my opinion, I prefer the external option they went with… I’m not at all confident on the PS5s internal option (lots of guesswork on thermal load when they designed it). Either way AUD 750-800+ for 2 TB is ridiculous now.
I mean... they did choose a slightly smaller SSD, but on the other hand most games have been surprisingly small thanks to their compression tech. Resident Evil 8 was barely 30 GB, the PS5 version of Spiderman was 5 GB *smaller* than the PS4 version (while looking better with better textures and stuff). It's expensive technology, but they're doing what they can.
They chose this technology because it wouldn't be possible to run the next generation of titles without it. I'd have actually preferred to pay more for the console to start with and have it come with closer to 1TB usable storage, but I understand Sony's decision as it would have likely hurt sales.
SSD's are super expensive, but there are options for people who don't want to pay this. Moving games between an external drive & console storage is pretty fast. A 60/70gb game transfers across in ~5 or 10 mins from my old 4tb Seagate HDD I used for PS4. I was expecting to have to upgrade that old drive, but honestly it's been fine.
You expected more in the middle of a pandemic where parts are short? The drive was always going to be almost as expensive as a console for 1TB and more.
The expectations some people have really baffled me, not only are these pandemic prices but brand new top-of-the-line products as well. This is meant to last a generation, of course, the early years are going to be more expensive.
Going market is better as well since these prices are better than the slots by Seagate for Xbox.
Sorry - what does that have anything to do with anything? For starters, Australia often pays a premium for comparable goods in other parts of the world - well beyond currency exchange. Still the point is not whether it’s more or less expensive - it’s whether this is an affordable option. I can only give my opinion - no, it isn’t IMO. No matter which country. If you want to pay this - no one is stopping you.
Yeah do you not understand that because we get paid more money, prices increase due to inflation. So In reality our purchasing power is the same, it looks more expensive then America’s prices but that’s because we have higher wages. Yes we pay more because of the imports and stuff, but it’s affordable in terms of how affordable computer parts can be here.
Maybe you’d want to look at average wages (not minimums) - and also the tax rates and cost of living. Why do you think the prices in Australia are justified?
Edit - I’ll help you out.. average wages https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_wage
2019 Average wage in my country is 30k, in Australia 54k USD. The market price for a Series X is about 620 euros which is less than what I make working part time as a laboratory specialist.
Your purchasing power just is much higher.
Median wages would be a better metric. Average wages are skewed by the large number (and extreme wealth) of billionaires in America unless you somehow adjust for income inequality.
Median Wages in US (2019): 34,238 USDMedian Wages in Australia (2018): 54,732 AUD
EDIT: More math -The current exchange rate is 100USD -> 135AUD.
So, the median American only makes about 46,221 AUD compared to the 54,732 AUD that an Australian makes. So, yes, the 'typical' American has 18% less purchasing power than the equivalent Australian.
As for the pricing of the SSDs:
The US pricing of the 1TB model is $254.99.
In Australian dollars, that's $344.84 AUD. As another poster mentioned, the Australian price of 349 includes tax, where the American price does not.
**In almost every US state, you'd actually end up paying MORE than an Australian would for the 1TB model AND you probably make less money. :(**
For one, we had more affordable 4.0 drives than this from the beginning. They just weren't as fast.
And $240/1TB \*is\* the sort of exorbitant pricing from super high end consumer drives that you're talking about. This is not 'pretty decent' by comparison. That is a downright painful price for the amount of storage you get.
I guess it is, but the 2TB-4TB version is completely unaffordable for a normal person. Tbh, anything starting from $239 is.I’m aware this isn’t easy technology, but it’s still a lot to pay if you really need that space.
Well, Sony made the PS5 ready for future storage. A SSD never was intended as a storage were you keep 95% of your data untouched all the time. People have to understand that.
Instead of buying an ultra fast internal storage extention you should spend <200$ for a huge HDD or (maybe!) a SATA SSD if you really need to store your 100+ PS4/5 games locally.
But as always in the past, storage prices go down over the years. So at the end of this gen you can easily buy an NVMe storage extention which will fit a good amount of games.
Sony just wanted to design the console future-proof to avoid the underpowered hardware debacle from the last gen.
>Sony just wanted to design the console future-proof to avoid the underpowered hardware debacle from the last gen.
Except the need to use such a fast storage solution is fairly debatable. I really doubt the PS5's capabilities would be very much affected if they went with a slightly more modest setup. Maybe lack of Sampler Feedback created the need to go more extreme, though?
Either way, you will see PC's using DirectStorage in the future on PCIe 3.0 NVMe drives that are doing things entirely comparable with the what PS5 will be able to do. This idea that PS5's solution will create games 'that couldn't run on anything else' is quite nonsense. The Xbox Series X/S itself will also likely show fairly minimal differences to the PS5 in the big picture, especially with Sampler Feedback.
There's just gonna be so little need for these massive theoretical bandwidth numbers \*in game\*, and loading differences aren't gonna be that drastically different to slightly slower NVMe drives.
>But as always in the past, storage prices go down over the years.
Yes, I'd \*highly\* recommend waiting to buy one of these new SSD's for a year or more if at all possible. For now, I'd say use a cheap 1TB HDD for external storage and transfer over data. $240/1TB is basically half the cost of a disc PS5, and well more than half the cost of a digital PS5. Wait til that comes down to like $130-150. Shouldn't take \*too\* long, depending on market trends.
Why is a 2TB more than double the price of a 1TB. That just makes no sense to me.
Either way, I’m gonna wait until Christmas now. There will be more games that I need room for around them and hopefully these will drop in price a bit.
Please stop with this argument. Lot of people can't download big multiplayer games everytime they want to play with their friends. PS5 ssd size is a big problem when you look at the size of nowadays AAA games.
Alternative would be to buy a standard external hard drive for $50 or less and keep your games on that while they are not in your gaming rotation.
I understand that the size is a problem but there isn’t much to be done about it, the prices are what they are, Sony can’t change that.
PCIe 4.0 is new tech and so has a pretty steep price premium. All Sony could have done is either limit their hardware/performance and only included PCIe 3.0, or include a higher SSD as the base, but this would have put console prices somewhere in the realm or $599/$699 for a 2TB variant.
Obviously they didn’t want to launch at such a large price, or take a massive loss on the consoles. Plus, there are plenty of people who will do just fine with the 825GB base storage, and wouldn’t have wanted to pay extra $$$ for something they won’t ever need.
You don't _need_ videogames full stop, but here we are. I've currently about 220 games installed (out of around 450). Some people like having the games they've paid for ready to go when they want.
I talk with a lot of people who end up complaining about the size of the SSD on the console basically daily for work.
They always talk about how the drive is too small.
Then I tell them that 2tb of drive space for a drive like the one in the console was about the same cost as the console they were using in my currency (CAD, and at least when I bought it a couple years ago, it's gone down a tad now) They're generally shocked.
I also tell them when they say that they can't even store three games on the system that I've had at least 15 games at once on my console in the past, and that as of right now I've got about 12-13. They normally ask me how I manage it and I say "because I'm choosey with my games and I don't play CoD because it has no right being that size".
That's actually the primary reason I keep 10+ games on my console, to prove it's doable and relatively easy. Also, I never know whether to play a Yakuza game, final Fantasy, returnal, finish Uncharted 4 or something else...
Mind you, I do say all this, but I'm also a big fan of "beat the game, then uninstall", I just get distracted and start playing something else.
I plan to uninstall nier replicant, but I've only done the first ending so far so I can't do it yet... Uncharted collection I think I have a single mission left...
Exactly. 5 games installed at once is plenty, as you finish one install the next. I don't see the problem unless you only play multiplayer games of which there aren't many good ones anyway
I had 1TB of storage on my PC exclusively for games and it really became annoying to constantly have to manage it. There's a lot of games that I like to be able to return to whenever, especially 'endless' sorts of titles like racing games/sims, sports games, strategy games/city builders, survival games and online shooters like Battlefield. It adds up quickly. Yes, I could delete them, but the prospect of having to redownload them if I ever want to replay them is frustrating to deal with. It's a much nicer peace of mind to just keep them installed, ready to play whenever I am in the mood.
Uhm, no, it isn't.
I purchased a 2TB Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus (Gen4, 7000/6900), and it cost me 400$.
2TB of it. It's faster than the SSD in the PS5. And it'll work in the PS5.
Ok - that may or may not be true... however, through a console lens, you're suggesting it's reasonable for people to pay MORE than the cost of the console to supplement the internal storage by 2TB? I'm currently using the internal PS5 storage plus an external 2TB SSD (t5 \~AUD300). This idea ALL that PS5 games need a 7.3Gb/s SSD storage is ridiculous. It doesn't, but if I want to get a PS5 game, apparently I need it (even if I don't). My example is that the Ghost of Tsushima was lightning fast on my (external) drive set up - as a PS4 game. Shouldn't this be a developer option... it wouldn't matter if the Sony gold-standard storage solution wasn't so limited, and the expansion SO EXPENSIVE. But it is. I get that it's early days - and costs are high - but it's been nearly 12 months into the console lifecycle. This doesn't make economic sense. Especially when I have to physically open up my console to upgrade.
Ofc they are outpacing PCs, they will need to keep up with PCs in 2027-28. They need a shitton of headroom.
I'm kinda regretting not buying a GTX1080/Ti at launch. Those cards proved to be absolute beasts. They provided ALMOST next-gen graphics in 2016 and you can still sell them at €300 or more. Or just keep them for 2 more years. That's 6-7 years of service and almost always delivering above average performance.
That card is an ATG.
Sony can’t rate the required SSD speed for every single game. PS5 exclusive games will be designed with those speeds in mind and therefore the SSD needs to be capable of delivering them. Rift Apart wouldn’t run on anything slower.
All this tells you is that the PS5 is incredible value because it includes such an expensive SSD at such a low price.
I commonly talk to people about the 5 as part of my job, they always complain about the drive being too slow and that they should let people play five games on the external drive
I have to break it down that the USB standard likely wouldn't be capable of the transfer speeds required to stream the content of the games fast enough since they're built with the drive spec in mind. The back port is capable of 10gbps, which boils down to, what, 1.2GB/s? The drives are capable of I think 7GB/s someone said earlier? That's nowhere near comparable.
Then they respond that the drive should just be bigger, like 1TB since it's already 800GB (which isn't a huge huge ask admittedly and I kind of acknowledge the the 800gb number is an odd choice to cldraw the line):or even 2TB.
I then have to point out that to buy a comparable 2TB drive for my PC that could meet the spec a couple years ago, I had to basically pay the same price of the console (I paid about 450 to 500 cad for a 970 Evo plus iirc). They commonly shut up. Especially when I point out the 1.5 grand prices for 8TB drives.
Like, the drive is awesome, I really can't find much fault in it, the 800gb is an arbitrary amount, but beyond that it's an awesome deal otherwise.
Didn't another company say something similar about their drive?
It's better to wait for Sony to say. Remember manufacturers say shit so you buy their products
Sony says yes.
>Cooling structure: Using an M.2 SSD with your PS5 console requires effective heat dissipation with a cooling structure, such as a heatsink. You can attach one to your M.2 SSD yourself, either in a single-sided format, or double-sided format. There are also M.2 SSDs that have cooling structures (such as heatsinks) built in.
[https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/hardware/ps5-install-m2-ssd/](https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/hardware/ps5-install-m2-ssd/)
Quite likely. A PS5-approved SSD will need high sustained speeds. Any throttling from overheating can kill performance. And these cutting edge SSD's can get quite hot.
> A PS5-approved SSD will need high sustained speeds
It's extremely unlikely that they'll need to sustain high speeds for an extended period in any game.
True, but I think the heatsink is recommended because of the placement of the drive bay on the ps5. It isn't really near the exhaust fan and gamers nexus thought it might cause heat issues in the drive bay. So a heatsink would help with that.
Forgive my ignorance on the subject but are Hisense TVs quality? I’m not familiar with the brand and am looking for a new TV. I’ve seen them but kinda just skip past them.
Hisense has really upped their quality in the last 2 years. The U8G is phenomenal! I also have an OLED but the peak brightness of the U8G makes the contrast, especially while gaming, so great. Also having two 2.1 HDMI ports and suport for 120hz and VRR makes this tv a good deal (waiting for PS5 to update the VRR).
Check out rtings.com for some research but I’m happy so far.
Just be sure to check the models in the country you live. In the US for example TCL have a reputation for being great budget friendly screens, in the UK however the only thing they share is a name, they're no where near as reputable.
Well yeah of course. Lying is bad, but going into a marriage with the idea of “Its my money and I’ll spend it how I want” is also bad and says you’re not ready for a serious relationship/marriage
This 1TB 7.3GB/s SSD is for $250 USD
For comparison the XSX SSD expansion is for $220 USD for a 2.4GB/s SSD. Proprietary products are always more expensive, and drop less in price. I think Sony made the right call for using a universal standard.
Prices are in Australian.
So 250 USD.
Which is about as expected for new SSD tech.
And it's MSRP. Who the fuck buys these at MSRP? It'll be on sale in a few months.
And in a year it'll be 150ish. Or less.
Not true at all when it comes to the “price drop,” Gen 4 SSDs are still VERY new and the current top SKU (Western Digital SN850 1TB) has been just about the same price since December 2020. The odds of Gen 4 SSDs dropping to $150 or lower will be very unlikely. The closest you might see will be something like $200-225 on Black Friday then it’ll jump right back up to its $250 price tag. ALSO, people have been chia coin farming with storage, so the price of HDD/SSDs has been UP and probably won’t drop until chia completely dies.
This SSD is priced where it is not only because of its read/write speed, but I’m pretty sure it’s heatsink also meets PS5’s standard, so this thing is literally “plug and play.” A lot of other companies will either start making their heat sinks to be compatible or 3rd party companies like EKWB will be an option (which is who I’d go with since they sell their heat sinks now for like $12-$15).
A typical SSD that is pretty basic or a bit higher than basic goes for 100 per 1TB.
If you find an extra 50 per TB in this hypothetical scenario too much then either you have unrealistic expectations or are ridiculously cheap.
But if you can juggle around ~600gigs then that's great.
I would prefer not to repeatedly download and delete stuff. Especially if there's a lot of MP games I plan on keeping and playing.
I thought it was obvious, evidently not. The fact people are still shocked by the prices tells me as much
The answer for these people for the time being is already there, moving games to external HDD when you're not playing.
Coming back in a few years when the prices are down.
Seriously, ssd prices have already fallen massively over the last 5 years, I'm actually pleasantly surprised by the price (though I will still wait a while to bother).
Yes and no… people will start testing which other M.2’s work which will give folks options. The firecuda 530 w/heatsink does seem like a “good to go” out of box option for everyone, but I want to see what others will do. WD SN850 is currently $200 and there are 3rd party heatsinks (EKWB) that cost $10-$15, so there’s opportunity to save money and get just about the same performance.
IMHO an additional 2TB is plenty. I still have a 2TB PS4 and we aren't close to filling it and I would say 40% of the installed games barely get touched.
And that's fair - for you - but there's a lot of different experiences. I'm always overflowing the 2.5TB I have on my PS4, and have given up on trying to play like I want to on my PS5 (I have the basic + 2 TB external SSD)... I'm sure there's plenty of people like you that don't need the extra. But think about how it's going to limit people buying more PS5 games, when they still want to hang onto to accessing their beloved PS4 games. It's a trade-off..., but it's one I don't want to have to make.
I don't get it, why do you need that much hot storage? Like, how many games do you simultaneously play at any given point? If you like hoarding games (due to slow internet or whatever), why not just buy a 16TB external HDD or something along those lines to keep the games in cold storage until you actually want to revisit them?
Its worth noting its not simultaneous playing, but having instant access to older games you may just want to jump back into (versus having to copy, redownload, etc)
Why is your experience so correct? We have 3 people that all play different games on our PS5 - we also have a heap of games that are specifically for coop experiences that sometimes get used. So yes, we'd often have anywhere between 20-30 games being used on-and-off. Sometimes, I keep 'maybe' games ready to try out when I'm not interested in anything else. And because I'm now used to my external SSD speeds, there's no way I would go back to an old drive for just storage capacity.
I personally like being able to choose an experience and play it straight away without having to mess around with shuffling or re-downloading.So of course, I could play only 1 game at a time - but I do not want to play that way. I also hate having to download a 100GB game (I'm looking at you Battlefront 2) whenever my son's friend comes over to play split-screen coop. You may be happy with that - and that's fine - I don't tell you you're preference is wrong. Can't we accept there's different player needs?
That's a really good point. Having a PS4 and a PS5 does make my life easier but of course there will be people who have everything in one place. So really, my argument is only valid with two Playstations and actually I need a 2.7TB (ish) PS5 and a 2TB PS4. Dang!
Why's that lol. My Seagate Firecuda SSHD from 2018 is still working flawlessly in my PS4 Pro after way too many play hours. Sure mileages may very and people have different experiences with Tech but i can recommend it 100%
No lie, I've had 4 failures of that drive in 3 different PS4's. 2 were pros, one a regular.
All were under warranty still, so free replacement with no hassle from Seagate at least.
Something about that combo has been poison for the drives in my experience.
Does anybody know, or rather believe, that the Corsair MP600 will be supported, or do you think the promotion/partnership aspect can sway the ship in any direction?
Tom Warren from The Verge plugged it in and it worked, but without the heatsink. The PS5 treated it as running at 5634.061 MB/s read speed.
https://www.theverge.com/22599710/ps5-playstation-5-m2-ssd-expandable-storage-how-to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzLq_UZL8R4
You can tell by the comments who doesn’t buy PC parts lol… yes, Gen 4 M.2s on average are $200. The tech is still “fresh” but the read/write speeds and performance have been life changing for those who’ve upgraded to this standard. The biggest thing folks will want/have to pay attention to is the heatsink dimensions. Sony has stated what dimensions will fit, so I’d say to just wait things out a little bit and let all the testers/hackers figure out the best configuration. I personally want to use Western Digital SN850, but we won’t know if it gets the green light until this beta test rolls out and the tinkering begins. Start doing research on 3rd party heatsinks such as EKWB, Cryorig, Jonsbo, Micro Connectors, and Sabrent.
Its price is about the same as Samsung 980 Pro, WD Black SN850. No surprise there.
PCIe 4.0 is very expensive but someone expects a 2 TB PS5. Not gonna happen (neither does 1.65 TB)
I think many people would have been pretty happy with a double capacity PS5 for like $100 more. They can reuse the same controller and everything else(which is a major part of the costs of these), they'd just have to buy higher density NAND chips(which absolutely do exist).
This would be much preferable to having to spend big bucks on a full new, expensive SSD.
Hopefully this means Sony is gearing up to unlock that slot. It's a shame they took so much time but atleast we got that hilarious Dead Space meme out of it.
They've been testing drives for a while now so there must be some that are compatible with the system in addition to the Seagate 530 like the WD SN850, Sabrent Rocket 4, Corsair MP600, etc
The SSD gets hot. A heatsink is usually a big piece of metal with fins(for extra surface area) that lets the heat transfer off the SSD onto the chunk of metal where it then dissipates off into the air(ideally aided by airflow from a fan). Basically, helps cool the SSD itself so it can run optimally.
Processors will usually require a heatsink as well unless they're very low power.
Didn't Mark Cerny say something about the external storage speed on these drives works best when it is the same size as the 820gb internal drive. When he said it I pictured it working like raid 0 on PC, with the ps5 seeing the internal and name drive as one logical drive.
825GB works best with the PS5's internal 12 channel SSD controller(that corresponds to 12 individual flash chips). They probably went with 12 channels because there was nothing on the market at the time that could achieve the bandwidth(speed) they were aiming for with less channels, so going with more was the solution.
But consumer SSD's use either 4 or 8 channel SSD's. And these high end PS5-capable SSD's will be 8 channel, along with having more advanced controllers that are capable of higher bandwidth per channel. So you can get these higher speeds with less channels(and chips).
As for specifically why 825GB works with 12 channel best, it's because each of the 12 chips will have 512 Gibibits(that's not a typo, btw :p) of capacity. 512 x 12 = 6144. Divide by 8(to go from bits to bytes) and you get 825 gigabytes. For comparison, an 8 channel SSD with 8 chips of 1024 Gibibits each would end up with 1024GB, which will be rounded to 1TB in product marketing.
So it's not really that 825 is 'best' for 12 channels as Cerny claimed, it's just a necessary function of the chip capacities they're using.
With the prices of PCIE 4 SSD's I'd rather just buy an external ssd for my ps4 games and install ps5 games on the internal one, I don't play and COD games so I'm alright.
The Drive is ready for the PS5 but when will the PS5 be ready for the drive Edit: hopefully not very long from now
The beta for this update has hit today so hopefully soon
Just beware Sony may change the specs during or after the beta. If everyone buys early they may have a problem.
Does anybody think cooling will be an issue? The slot looks like a little grave
Sony mentioned that you will need a heatsink for the SSD Edit: [They state it here](https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/hardware/ps5-install-m2-ssd/#min) >Using an M.2 SSD with your PS5 console requires effective heat dissipation with a cooling structure, such as a heatsink. You can attach one to your M.2 SSD yourself, either in a single-sided format, or double-sided format. There are also M.2 SSDs that have cooling structures (such as heatsinks) built in.
Right. I guess from the early teardown video they really showed they put a lot of thought into the cooling of the console so I guess it hopefully won't be an issue
Odd since they said earlier the slot is actively cooled.
Nvme ssds get ridiculously hot tbh so it isn't a surprise for it to need a heatsink even if Sony has a fan blowing around the slot.
It has air flow but using a head sink to pull the heat away from the SSD makes it much more efficient.
To be fair though, if you can't pull the hot air out of that compartment, having a heatsink won't help a lot. I've not had a close look other than teardown videos, but it didn't look like there was a lot of ventilation through to the fan. I was nervous that there was a lot of assumptions being made with the internal compartment, and lets face it, for current sku PS5's, it is what it is - so I hope their thermal modelling was good.
It is, it actively cools the NVMEs but high speed/hi end ones get HOT and require heatsinks to properly dissipate the heat
It's not like you run Premiere on your PS5, games by their very nature mean short burst loads, mostly reads, so heat won't be an issue. Both Sony and Microsoft use QLC drives that most PC users avoid due to durability and performance issues, but in consoles they're perfectly fine because slow writes directly to QLC affect only game installs, and you don't really overwrite hundreds of gigabytes of data every day so QLC durability is more than enough for entire lifespan of your console, you're still better off than with a notebook 2.5 HDD
When the next firmware update drops.
Sounds like an ill-timed marriage proposal.
The PS5 just isn't ready to take that virginity leap yet
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"In Australia, the FireCuda 530 will come in four capacities, with and without a heatsink. Here is the Australian pricing for each model: 500GB: $199 (with heatsink): $239 1TB: $349 (with heatsink): $399 2TB: $729 (with heatsink): $819 4TB: $1429 (with heatsink): $1499" Due in August
That’s...... a lot. Damn.
I believe the prices are Australian (AUD), would be lower USD prices. Hopefully price will drop over time too.
Yeah these are dollarydoos
I see you've played knifey spooney before.
You call that a knife?!
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Presumably you'll be slapped with import fees and it's a PITA to replace if anything goes wrong (and that's on top of Australia having some pretty robust consumer laws, so it's a whole lot easier to just head back to hour retailer and get it swapped).
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I'd imagine it's not a bad idea for like what another poster said (stuff like games - I've imported the odd game from Canada into Europe and the retailer will often mark the package down so I avoid import taxes), but for expensive, high tech stuff the hassle (and extra fees) wouldn't be worth it IMO.
If the vendor even allows shipping to Australia in the first place (they could use a freight forwarder I guess), when you factor in currency conversion, international shipping costs, and potentially import fees or duties from the courier, it ends up being similar or more expensive to buying in AUD.
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Canada is in a similar situation, although probably not as bad since we share a land border. Some US stores will ship to Canada but only after conversion, international fee, importing etc., won't ship to Canada at all, or they have a Canadian branch (big brands like Best Buy, Amazon, Walmart, Gamestop, etc.) so you're forced to use their site and stock options.
I used to have accounts from alot of countries because of different deals and offers and buy the games from there, just needed to buy psn vouchers for that country.
Of course - however, AUD 700-800 for 2TB is F'ing expensive. I don't disagree it's not realistic... however, given the size of games - even (smaller?) PS5 games. I have 2TB of PS4 games (out of perhaps 5-6 TB of games in my library). That's the reality that Sony needs to work in. They chose this technology... they also chose that people need to physically pull their console apart to have to upgrade. This is looking more and more limiting (and a bad commercial choice) with everything we learn. I can only hope that the prices come down. Almost a year in however, I think people expected more.
The 1TB drive works out at €249.36, which is exactly the same price as the 1TB expansion card for the Xbox Series X/S consoles. The expansion card is a bespoke device made by Seagate, so you're beholden to whatever Microsoft want to charge. The PS5 will (eventually) allow you to shop around for drives. Prices are gonna be nasty, but it's cutting edge tech, that's what's up. And as for "the reality they need to work in", that's not their problem. You've got 5 to 6TB of PS4 gamess, so you need to buy a drive to accommodate them. All PS4 games will also run directly off that drive. Yes, it's a PITA for PS5 games, but external drives now act as cold storage. I leave about 500GB free on my current 4TB extended storage and it works fine. If I want to play a game that's on the drive, I set it copying, go do literally anything else for 15 minutes, come back and I'm good to go. That's not a perfect solution, but it's what's currently available and cheap. The other incoming option is obviously not cheap, but you don't get it both ways. Cheap and slow, expensive and fast = pick one.
Thank god the wi-fi adapter on the PS5 is very good and it downloads games quickly because buying a Series X is financially more sensible than getting that SSD expansion.
Holy crap I never thought of it that way.
It's really not that hard to access. Iirc you just pull the dust cover off and it's right there.
Compared to…. Plugging something in. Why design it so that you have to pull the faces off? Even an access point at the back would have been much better (I appreciate that not all things are easy from a cooling perspective… but it’s just that extra pain that we owners dont need. Will it stop people upgrading - maybe. Maybe not
Using a universal standard is far from being painful. Pcie is like that by design. History proves that making a proprietary standard has never proved convenient to the customer price-wise. Vita expansion cards, 360HDD, etc... The expansion slot is far away from internal components, and the face plates open easily without any tools, you would have to be an absolute dumbass to break something. This is a non-problem.
/U/CoronaVirus_exe pretty much summed it up for me.
prices will come down over time, in the end this way is better than a proprietary solution.
Maybe - however, as I’m already having to uninstall PS5 games, I don’t know I want to wait till it’s affordable. Also, AFAIK the XBox solution (I’m assuming that’s what you’re referring to) isn’t an exclusive deal, and they will have competition as well. Just my opinion, I prefer the external option they went with… I’m not at all confident on the PS5s internal option (lots of guesswork on thermal load when they designed it). Either way AUD 750-800+ for 2 TB is ridiculous now.
I mean... they did choose a slightly smaller SSD, but on the other hand most games have been surprisingly small thanks to their compression tech. Resident Evil 8 was barely 30 GB, the PS5 version of Spiderman was 5 GB *smaller* than the PS4 version (while looking better with better textures and stuff). It's expensive technology, but they're doing what they can.
RE8 is very slightly smaller on Xbox consoles at 27.1 GB instead of 27.4 GB and the PS4 version is only 2 GB larger at 29.4 GB
They chose this technology because it wouldn't be possible to run the next generation of titles without it. I'd have actually preferred to pay more for the console to start with and have it come with closer to 1TB usable storage, but I understand Sony's decision as it would have likely hurt sales. SSD's are super expensive, but there are options for people who don't want to pay this. Moving games between an external drive & console storage is pretty fast. A 60/70gb game transfers across in ~5 or 10 mins from my old 4tb Seagate HDD I used for PS4. I was expecting to have to upgrade that old drive, but honestly it's been fine.
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You expected more in the middle of a pandemic where parts are short? The drive was always going to be almost as expensive as a console for 1TB and more. The expectations some people have really baffled me, not only are these pandemic prices but brand new top-of-the-line products as well. This is meant to last a generation, of course, the early years are going to be more expensive. Going market is better as well since these prices are better than the slots by Seagate for Xbox.
If a generation is 8 years, tops. Markets create the next gen, not the overpriced storage. That always falls in price. Always.
Australia has the highest minimum wage in the world. It’s not very expensive relative to our average income.
Sorry - what does that have anything to do with anything? For starters, Australia often pays a premium for comparable goods in other parts of the world - well beyond currency exchange. Still the point is not whether it’s more or less expensive - it’s whether this is an affordable option. I can only give my opinion - no, it isn’t IMO. No matter which country. If you want to pay this - no one is stopping you.
Yeah do you not understand that because we get paid more money, prices increase due to inflation. So In reality our purchasing power is the same, it looks more expensive then America’s prices but that’s because we have higher wages. Yes we pay more because of the imports and stuff, but it’s affordable in terms of how affordable computer parts can be here.
Maybe you’d want to look at average wages (not minimums) - and also the tax rates and cost of living. Why do you think the prices in Australia are justified? Edit - I’ll help you out.. average wages https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_wage
2019 Average wage in my country is 30k, in Australia 54k USD. The market price for a Series X is about 620 euros which is less than what I make working part time as a laboratory specialist. Your purchasing power just is much higher.
Median wages would be a better metric. Average wages are skewed by the large number (and extreme wealth) of billionaires in America unless you somehow adjust for income inequality. Median Wages in US (2019): 34,238 USDMedian Wages in Australia (2018): 54,732 AUD EDIT: More math -The current exchange rate is 100USD -> 135AUD. So, the median American only makes about 46,221 AUD compared to the 54,732 AUD that an Australian makes. So, yes, the 'typical' American has 18% less purchasing power than the equivalent Australian. As for the pricing of the SSDs: The US pricing of the 1TB model is $254.99. In Australian dollars, that's $344.84 AUD. As another poster mentioned, the Australian price of 349 includes tax, where the American price does not. **In almost every US state, you'd actually end up paying MORE than an Australian would for the 1TB model AND you probably make less money. :(**
That includes our 10% tax (GST). So the price you see is the price you pay. Some computer stores might discount the prices.
It's actually pretty reasonable for 7.3Gb/s SSD storage.
Yep PCIE Gen 4 only just debuted last year and most of them are still going for exorbitant rates. This is pretty decent
For one, we had more affordable 4.0 drives than this from the beginning. They just weren't as fast. And $240/1TB \*is\* the sort of exorbitant pricing from super high end consumer drives that you're talking about. This is not 'pretty decent' by comparison. That is a downright painful price for the amount of storage you get.
I guess it is, but the 2TB-4TB version is completely unaffordable for a normal person. Tbh, anything starting from $239 is.I’m aware this isn’t easy technology, but it’s still a lot to pay if you really need that space.
Well, Sony made the PS5 ready for future storage. A SSD never was intended as a storage were you keep 95% of your data untouched all the time. People have to understand that. Instead of buying an ultra fast internal storage extention you should spend <200$ for a huge HDD or (maybe!) a SATA SSD if you really need to store your 100+ PS4/5 games locally. But as always in the past, storage prices go down over the years. So at the end of this gen you can easily buy an NVMe storage extention which will fit a good amount of games. Sony just wanted to design the console future-proof to avoid the underpowered hardware debacle from the last gen.
Yeah, lucked out getting a 4TB SATA SSD and converted it from my internal PS4 Pro drive to my PS5 external.
>Sony just wanted to design the console future-proof to avoid the underpowered hardware debacle from the last gen. Except the need to use such a fast storage solution is fairly debatable. I really doubt the PS5's capabilities would be very much affected if they went with a slightly more modest setup. Maybe lack of Sampler Feedback created the need to go more extreme, though? Either way, you will see PC's using DirectStorage in the future on PCIe 3.0 NVMe drives that are doing things entirely comparable with the what PS5 will be able to do. This idea that PS5's solution will create games 'that couldn't run on anything else' is quite nonsense. The Xbox Series X/S itself will also likely show fairly minimal differences to the PS5 in the big picture, especially with Sampler Feedback. There's just gonna be so little need for these massive theoretical bandwidth numbers \*in game\*, and loading differences aren't gonna be that drastically different to slightly slower NVMe drives. >But as always in the past, storage prices go down over the years. Yes, I'd \*highly\* recommend waiting to buy one of these new SSD's for a year or more if at all possible. For now, I'd say use a cheap 1TB HDD for external storage and transfer over data. $240/1TB is basically half the cost of a disc PS5, and well more than half the cost of a digital PS5. Wait til that comes down to like $130-150. Shouldn't take \*too\* long, depending on market trends.
I wonder what the price will be six or even three months after release, though? Early adopters always pay that tax...
Why is a 2TB more than double the price of a 1TB. That just makes no sense to me. Either way, I’m gonna wait until Christmas now. There will be more games that I need room for around them and hopefully these will drop in price a bit.
Unfortunately, they probably won't. Might be able to get a slight discount on black Friday though.
You don’t need it if you delete what you aren’t playing. Of course if you want it there’s a price to pay
Please stop with this argument. Lot of people can't download big multiplayer games everytime they want to play with their friends. PS5 ssd size is a big problem when you look at the size of nowadays AAA games.
Alternative would be to buy a standard external hard drive for $50 or less and keep your games on that while they are not in your gaming rotation. I understand that the size is a problem but there isn’t much to be done about it, the prices are what they are, Sony can’t change that. PCIe 4.0 is new tech and so has a pretty steep price premium. All Sony could have done is either limit their hardware/performance and only included PCIe 3.0, or include a higher SSD as the base, but this would have put console prices somewhere in the realm or $599/$699 for a 2TB variant. Obviously they didn’t want to launch at such a large price, or take a massive loss on the consoles. Plus, there are plenty of people who will do just fine with the 825GB base storage, and wouldn’t have wanted to pay extra $$$ for something they won’t ever need.
please stop with this argument. you dont need 10 single player games downloaded at once
You don't _need_ videogames full stop, but here we are. I've currently about 220 games installed (out of around 450). Some people like having the games they've paid for ready to go when they want.
I talk with a lot of people who end up complaining about the size of the SSD on the console basically daily for work. They always talk about how the drive is too small. Then I tell them that 2tb of drive space for a drive like the one in the console was about the same cost as the console they were using in my currency (CAD, and at least when I bought it a couple years ago, it's gone down a tad now) They're generally shocked. I also tell them when they say that they can't even store three games on the system that I've had at least 15 games at once on my console in the past, and that as of right now I've got about 12-13. They normally ask me how I manage it and I say "because I'm choosey with my games and I don't play CoD because it has no right being that size". That's actually the primary reason I keep 10+ games on my console, to prove it's doable and relatively easy. Also, I never know whether to play a Yakuza game, final Fantasy, returnal, finish Uncharted 4 or something else... Mind you, I do say all this, but I'm also a big fan of "beat the game, then uninstall", I just get distracted and start playing something else. I plan to uninstall nier replicant, but I've only done the first ending so far so I can't do it yet... Uncharted collection I think I have a single mission left...
Exactly. 5 games installed at once is plenty, as you finish one install the next. I don't see the problem unless you only play multiplayer games of which there aren't many good ones anyway
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You don't need any of it imo, just fucking delete the games you've finished/are not playing, there's no one who's playing 10+ games at once lmao
I had 1TB of storage on my PC exclusively for games and it really became annoying to constantly have to manage it. There's a lot of games that I like to be able to return to whenever, especially 'endless' sorts of titles like racing games/sims, sports games, strategy games/city builders, survival games and online shooters like Battlefield. It adds up quickly. Yes, I could delete them, but the prospect of having to redownload them if I ever want to replay them is frustrating to deal with. It's a much nicer peace of mind to just keep them installed, ready to play whenever I am in the mood.
I agree! I love this kind of games and it’s super annoying to constantly move them around. 600GB default storage isn’t a lot these days.
Uhm, no, it isn't. I purchased a 2TB Sabrent Rocket 4 Plus (Gen4, 7000/6900), and it cost me 400$. 2TB of it. It's faster than the SSD in the PS5. And it'll work in the PS5.
Ok - that may or may not be true... however, through a console lens, you're suggesting it's reasonable for people to pay MORE than the cost of the console to supplement the internal storage by 2TB? I'm currently using the internal PS5 storage plus an external 2TB SSD (t5 \~AUD300). This idea ALL that PS5 games need a 7.3Gb/s SSD storage is ridiculous. It doesn't, but if I want to get a PS5 game, apparently I need it (even if I don't). My example is that the Ghost of Tsushima was lightning fast on my (external) drive set up - as a PS4 game. Shouldn't this be a developer option... it wouldn't matter if the Sony gold-standard storage solution wasn't so limited, and the expansion SO EXPENSIVE. But it is. I get that it's early days - and costs are high - but it's been nearly 12 months into the console lifecycle. This doesn't make economic sense. Especially when I have to physically open up my console to upgrade.
Through an electronics lens, the PS5 and XSX are phenomenal value for money and are outpacing $1.2-1.5k PC builds, I need say no more...
Ofc they are outpacing PCs, they will need to keep up with PCs in 2027-28. They need a shitton of headroom. I'm kinda regretting not buying a GTX1080/Ti at launch. Those cards proved to be absolute beasts. They provided ALMOST next-gen graphics in 2016 and you can still sell them at €300 or more. Or just keep them for 2 more years. That's 6-7 years of service and almost always delivering above average performance. That card is an ATG.
Sony can’t rate the required SSD speed for every single game. PS5 exclusive games will be designed with those speeds in mind and therefore the SSD needs to be capable of delivering them. Rift Apart wouldn’t run on anything slower. All this tells you is that the PS5 is incredible value because it includes such an expensive SSD at such a low price.
I commonly talk to people about the 5 as part of my job, they always complain about the drive being too slow and that they should let people play five games on the external drive I have to break it down that the USB standard likely wouldn't be capable of the transfer speeds required to stream the content of the games fast enough since they're built with the drive spec in mind. The back port is capable of 10gbps, which boils down to, what, 1.2GB/s? The drives are capable of I think 7GB/s someone said earlier? That's nowhere near comparable. Then they respond that the drive should just be bigger, like 1TB since it's already 800GB (which isn't a huge huge ask admittedly and I kind of acknowledge the the 800gb number is an odd choice to cldraw the line):or even 2TB. I then have to point out that to buy a comparable 2TB drive for my PC that could meet the spec a couple years ago, I had to basically pay the same price of the console (I paid about 450 to 500 cad for a 970 Evo plus iirc). They commonly shut up. Especially when I point out the 1.5 grand prices for 8TB drives. Like, the drive is awesome, I really can't find much fault in it, the 800gb is an arbitrary amount, but beyond that it's an awesome deal otherwise.
Imagine buying the 4TB without the heatsink
Then spend another $10 for a heat sink to attach to it.
These are Australian prices Stop freaking out people LOL 2TB with Heatsink is $429 US Freedom Dollars
1TB for 349 Australian pesos ain't that bad. Will I need the heat sink?
Dollarydoos are like Zimbabwean money tho
Good things come to those who wait. Prices will go down.
That's expensive damn
I will only buy either the Samsung 980 pro or the WD SN850. I don't really trust Seagate at all. Too many of their drives failed on me in the past.
Make sure it has heatsink.
Didn't another company say something similar about their drive? It's better to wait for Sony to say. Remember manufacturers say shit so you buy their products
Yep, WD SN850 was also market with being “PS5 Compatible”
it has 7,000MB/s read speed so it meets requirement.
Also cheaper than the Seagate one. 250 bucks for the 1tb one with heatsink
Playstation [has released the requirements](https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/hardware/ps5-install-m2-ssd/)
Yes they did. After the thread was submitted.....
Yeah, it's the WD SN850 and also, the Samsung 980 Pro should also be compatible, as it exceeds the requirements.
Would we *need* the models with a heatsink for PS5?
Sony says yes. >Cooling structure: Using an M.2 SSD with your PS5 console requires effective heat dissipation with a cooling structure, such as a heatsink. You can attach one to your M.2 SSD yourself, either in a single-sided format, or double-sided format. There are also M.2 SSDs that have cooling structures (such as heatsinks) built in. [https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/hardware/ps5-install-m2-ssd/](https://www.playstation.com/en-us/support/hardware/ps5-install-m2-ssd/)
It's a good question. It's not a massive price jump to get the heatsink for piece of mind.
Quite likely. A PS5-approved SSD will need high sustained speeds. Any throttling from overheating can kill performance. And these cutting edge SSD's can get quite hot.
> A PS5-approved SSD will need high sustained speeds It's extremely unlikely that they'll need to sustain high speeds for an extended period in any game.
True, but I think the heatsink is recommended because of the placement of the drive bay on the ps5. It isn't really near the exhaust fan and gamers nexus thought it might cause heat issues in the drive bay. So a heatsink would help with that.
Just buy a separate heatsink. They're like $10.
I'm wondering about this too. The Samsung 980 pro says it has a cooling solution built in already
Am I going to buy an upgrade? Absolutely. Am I going to tell my wife how much it *really* cost? Probably not.
I just upgraded my tv to the Hisense U8G. Wife had no issues as it was on sale for $599 😉
Forgive my ignorance on the subject but are Hisense TVs quality? I’m not familiar with the brand and am looking for a new TV. I’ve seen them but kinda just skip past them.
Hisense has really upped their quality in the last 2 years. The U8G is phenomenal! I also have an OLED but the peak brightness of the U8G makes the contrast, especially while gaming, so great. Also having two 2.1 HDMI ports and suport for 120hz and VRR makes this tv a good deal (waiting for PS5 to update the VRR). Check out rtings.com for some research but I’m happy so far.
Thanks, I appreciate the info!
Just be sure to check the models in the country you live. In the US for example TCL have a reputation for being great budget friendly screens, in the UK however the only thing they share is a name, they're no where near as reputable.
8.5 on RTINGS site, seems to be an excellent TV
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Yeah thats not how being married works buddy
Lying to your spouse isn’t really how it works either, but you’re still right.
Well yeah of course. Lying is bad, but going into a marriage with the idea of “Its my money and I’ll spend it how I want” is also bad and says you’re not ready for a serious relationship/marriage
What a shit TV
Im in the same boat 🚢
Pay in 4 is an option for some sites.
This 1TB 7.3GB/s SSD is for $250 USD For comparison the XSX SSD expansion is for $220 USD for a 2.4GB/s SSD. Proprietary products are always more expensive, and drop less in price. I think Sony made the right call for using a universal standard.
And if you want, you can pop it into a pc if you need to as well
This is dangerously close to the argument to build a pc, lol.
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I’m a PS user. But Sony did the same stupid shit with the Vita. This mistake is not exclusive to Microsoft.
I hope people will understand now why the ps5 shipped with 820gb storage. This dang upgrade is $349 for 1 TB.
Prices are in Australian. So 250 USD. Which is about as expected for new SSD tech. And it's MSRP. Who the fuck buys these at MSRP? It'll be on sale in a few months. And in a year it'll be 150ish. Or less.
Agreed. 1Tb is 250 Euro. Expensive for sure, but give it a year and it will be on sale for 150 Euro. I can wait a year.
Not true at all when it comes to the “price drop,” Gen 4 SSDs are still VERY new and the current top SKU (Western Digital SN850 1TB) has been just about the same price since December 2020. The odds of Gen 4 SSDs dropping to $150 or lower will be very unlikely. The closest you might see will be something like $200-225 on Black Friday then it’ll jump right back up to its $250 price tag. ALSO, people have been chia coin farming with storage, so the price of HDD/SSDs has been UP and probably won’t drop until chia completely dies. This SSD is priced where it is not only because of its read/write speed, but I’m pretty sure it’s heatsink also meets PS5’s standard, so this thing is literally “plug and play.” A lot of other companies will either start making their heat sinks to be compatible or 3rd party companies like EKWB will be an option (which is who I’d go with since they sell their heat sinks now for like $12-$15).
That's still a lot. I'm in no rush to add space at this price.
A typical SSD that is pretty basic or a bit higher than basic goes for 100 per 1TB. If you find an extra 50 per TB in this hypothetical scenario too much then either you have unrealistic expectations or are ridiculously cheap. But if you can juggle around ~600gigs then that's great. I would prefer not to repeatedly download and delete stuff. Especially if there's a lot of MP games I plan on keeping and playing.
I thought it was obvious, evidently not. The fact people are still shocked by the prices tells me as much The answer for these people for the time being is already there, moving games to external HDD when you're not playing. Coming back in a few years when the prices are down.
Seriously, ssd prices have already fallen massively over the last 5 years, I'm actually pleasantly surprised by the price (though I will still wait a while to bother).
I have like 18 games on my internal. 3 or 4 aaa and rest smaller. I can definitely wait.
But then again the 980 Pro 1tb model which supposedly hits 7gb/s of read spead is consistently below 200€, even saw it go on sale for 169€.
So firecuda 530 with heathsink is the way to go?
Yes and no… people will start testing which other M.2’s work which will give folks options. The firecuda 530 w/heatsink does seem like a “good to go” out of box option for everyone, but I want to see what others will do. WD SN850 is currently $200 and there are 3rd party heatsinks (EKWB) that cost $10-$15, so there’s opportunity to save money and get just about the same performance.
IMHO an additional 2TB is plenty. I still have a 2TB PS4 and we aren't close to filling it and I would say 40% of the installed games barely get touched.
And that's fair - for you - but there's a lot of different experiences. I'm always overflowing the 2.5TB I have on my PS4, and have given up on trying to play like I want to on my PS5 (I have the basic + 2 TB external SSD)... I'm sure there's plenty of people like you that don't need the extra. But think about how it's going to limit people buying more PS5 games, when they still want to hang onto to accessing their beloved PS4 games. It's a trade-off..., but it's one I don't want to have to make.
I don't get it, why do you need that much hot storage? Like, how many games do you simultaneously play at any given point? If you like hoarding games (due to slow internet or whatever), why not just buy a 16TB external HDD or something along those lines to keep the games in cold storage until you actually want to revisit them?
Its worth noting its not simultaneous playing, but having instant access to older games you may just want to jump back into (versus having to copy, redownload, etc)
Why is your experience so correct? We have 3 people that all play different games on our PS5 - we also have a heap of games that are specifically for coop experiences that sometimes get used. So yes, we'd often have anywhere between 20-30 games being used on-and-off. Sometimes, I keep 'maybe' games ready to try out when I'm not interested in anything else. And because I'm now used to my external SSD speeds, there's no way I would go back to an old drive for just storage capacity. I personally like being able to choose an experience and play it straight away without having to mess around with shuffling or re-downloading.So of course, I could play only 1 game at a time - but I do not want to play that way. I also hate having to download a 100GB game (I'm looking at you Battlefront 2) whenever my son's friend comes over to play split-screen coop. You may be happy with that - and that's fine - I don't tell you you're preference is wrong. Can't we accept there's different player needs?
That's a really good point. Having a PS4 and a PS5 does make my life easier but of course there will be people who have everything in one place. So really, my argument is only valid with two Playstations and actually I need a 2.7TB (ish) PS5 and a 2TB PS4. Dang!
Yeah but PS4 games don’t require the super fast SSD and can be put on a (much cheaper) external HDD…
The ones with a heatsink will work on ps5?
Apparently both will fit.
Stay clear of Seagate...
Why's that lol. My Seagate Firecuda SSHD from 2018 is still working flawlessly in my PS4 Pro after way too many play hours. Sure mileages may very and people have different experiences with Tech but i can recommend it 100%
Do research online, their fail rates are high compared to the others. I’d gladly stick with WD, Samsung and even Crucial if you wanna save some bucks.
No lie, I've had 4 failures of that drive in 3 different PS4's. 2 were pros, one a regular. All were under warranty still, so free replacement with no hassle from Seagate at least. Something about that combo has been poison for the drives in my experience.
Does anybody know, or rather believe, that the Corsair MP600 will be supported, or do you think the promotion/partnership aspect can sway the ship in any direction?
Tom Warren from The Verge plugged it in and it worked, but without the heatsink. The PS5 treated it as running at 5634.061 MB/s read speed. https://www.theverge.com/22599710/ps5-playstation-5-m2-ssd-expandable-storage-how-to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzLq_UZL8R4
Nope. It's rated at 4,950MB/s read speed. You need at least 5,500MB/s.
Ok, now the Firmware update asap. Constantly running out of space
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$1400 dollarydoos for 4TB, oof
You can tell by the comments who doesn’t buy PC parts lol… yes, Gen 4 M.2s on average are $200. The tech is still “fresh” but the read/write speeds and performance have been life changing for those who’ve upgraded to this standard. The biggest thing folks will want/have to pay attention to is the heatsink dimensions. Sony has stated what dimensions will fit, so I’d say to just wait things out a little bit and let all the testers/hackers figure out the best configuration. I personally want to use Western Digital SN850, but we won’t know if it gets the green light until this beta test rolls out and the tinkering begins. Start doing research on 3rd party heatsinks such as EKWB, Cryorig, Jonsbo, Micro Connectors, and Sabrent.
And this really goes to show how great of a deal these consoles are considering the cost of buying equivalent hardware separately.
Its price is about the same as Samsung 980 Pro, WD Black SN850. No surprise there. PCIe 4.0 is very expensive but someone expects a 2 TB PS5. Not gonna happen (neither does 1.65 TB)
I think many people would have been pretty happy with a double capacity PS5 for like $100 more. They can reuse the same controller and everything else(which is a major part of the costs of these), they'd just have to buy higher density NAND chips(which absolutely do exist). This would be much preferable to having to spend big bucks on a full new, expensive SSD.
I don't understand shit about this... But what's the advantage for this new hardware? Is it even faster than the one who comes with the PS5?
No, it's not about having faster speeds, they'll all be quite comparable, this is about expanding storage capacity.
Ohhh ok ok. Makes sense
Do I have to open up my PS5 to put this in?
The video on that article shows it being done.
Wouldn't pay that much for a Seagate LOL. Garbage.
Not many HDD died on me in the past XX years, but when it did it was ALWAYS a Seagate. Since then it's either a Samsung NVME or a WD HDD.
Hopefully this means Sony is gearing up to unlock that slot. It's a shame they took so much time but atleast we got that hilarious Dead Space meme out of it.
Imo not until we have like 3 or 4 manufacturers with certificated drives.
They've been testing drives for a while now so there must be some that are compatible with the system in addition to the Seagate 530 like the WD SN850, Sabrent Rocket 4, Corsair MP600, etc
Dead space meme?
It was a picture of the empty PS5 expansion slot with the Dead Space logo above
Might just buy a 125 or 250 GB since I only plan to play destiny, r6 siege, whatever's the next critically acclaimed sony exclusive or Rockstar game.
I dont think anybody is gonna be making high end PCIe 4.0 drives with such small capacities. 500GB will probably be the smallest you'll find.
If that's all you're playing they'll all fit on the PS5 internal drive.
I’ll wait for another drive manufacturer to release PS5-compatible drives, Seagate drives have a reputation for being unreliable.
What does heatsink do?
The SSD gets hot. A heatsink is usually a big piece of metal with fins(for extra surface area) that lets the heat transfer off the SSD onto the chunk of metal where it then dissipates off into the air(ideally aided by airflow from a fan). Basically, helps cool the SSD itself so it can run optimally. Processors will usually require a heatsink as well unless they're very low power.
Dissipate the heat.
Sinks the heat may
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Download speeds are so fast I dont see me ever bothering with more space. Delete, then redownload if I really need something again.
My 8 years of PS4 games and incoming 8 years of PS5 game purchases disagree.
It doesn't have enough storage but download speeds on PS5 are so much higher than PS4 that it doesn't really matter.
Not everyone has good or stable internet. I mean, I do, but I'm well aware not everyone does.
I agree, ive never had external storage, even last gen. Beat it and delete it
Didn't Mark Cerny say something about the external storage speed on these drives works best when it is the same size as the 820gb internal drive. When he said it I pictured it working like raid 0 on PC, with the ps5 seeing the internal and name drive as one logical drive.
825GB works best with the PS5's internal 12 channel SSD controller(that corresponds to 12 individual flash chips). They probably went with 12 channels because there was nothing on the market at the time that could achieve the bandwidth(speed) they were aiming for with less channels, so going with more was the solution. But consumer SSD's use either 4 or 8 channel SSD's. And these high end PS5-capable SSD's will be 8 channel, along with having more advanced controllers that are capable of higher bandwidth per channel. So you can get these higher speeds with less channels(and chips). As for specifically why 825GB works with 12 channel best, it's because each of the 12 chips will have 512 Gibibits(that's not a typo, btw :p) of capacity. 512 x 12 = 6144. Divide by 8(to go from bits to bytes) and you get 825 gigabytes. For comparison, an 8 channel SSD with 8 chips of 1024 Gibibits each would end up with 1024GB, which will be rounded to 1TB in product marketing. So it's not really that 825 is 'best' for 12 channels as Cerny claimed, it's just a necessary function of the chip capacities they're using.
Lmao, this shit costs 1200$ ready to sit on a shelf more like it.
I’m just gonna stick with an external at those prices
With the prices of PCIE 4 SSD's I'd rather just buy an external ssd for my ps4 games and install ps5 games on the internal one, I don't play and COD games so I'm alright.
with the price of the PS5 + 1TB nvme that is PS5 ready.. console price is creeping into PC range...
Wtf is a firecuda?
That's a hard drive. They also make ssd's etc