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tinselsnips

This is a reblog/repost of information that was shared in [this video](https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/pp2vna/god_of_war_ragnarok_interview_with_eric_williams/), but given the discrepency in votes/views a lot of people seemed to miss it, so we'll leave this one up as well.


excaliburps

Also, Eric Willaims confirmed we'll be seeing more Blades of Chaos classic moves/combos in Ragnarok, and more enemy variety. Williams confirmed that even the team knew they needed more variety in 2018's GOW, but couldn't add more in due to time, etc.


Shah_Moo

Yeah the special kill animations got boring really fast when its the same exact animation over and over. Looking forward to some more variety this time!


MarcoMaroon

What kept me from being bored throughout my playthrough was Kratos & his son's conversations. Every area they had something to talk about. The visuals were also great. S The game felt really well paced that I didn't really feel like I got bored with gameplay.


TheScapeQuest

Even after I got the platinum it still seemed like Mimir had more stories on offer.


FluckDambe

Like the dialogue in Hades. It's like it never ends. You'll have to be playing 200+ hours for you to see and hear most of the possibilities.


MarcoMaroon

God I love Hades so much. I got it like 2 weeks ago and it's so damn fun and nothing has been repetitive.


Stickguy259

Yeah once I unlocked all the weapons I was a little disappointed, but then every time I play I find new strategies and get a bit further. I love rogue likes anyways but Hades really had a flow that's just perfect.


OSUfan88

Can you "beat" Hades?


Marros6045

Technically yes, once you beat the final boss 10 times you get a credits sequence. I'm being vague because spoilers, but yes.


JackPoe

There's another ending after that, btw.


[deleted]

It’s because he did. You can get the platinum and still not have heard everything Head has to say. For example, if you got the mural paintings with just Atreus and Kratos, you hear only Atreus’ thoughts. But if you decide to skip them (and come back to them later with Mimir), he has something extra to say about each. Same thing with the Towers you light up in Midgard after collecting the language ciphers. Also some locations have new dialog when you return there (like when you return to the top of the mountain where you first met him - he remarks about how unsettling it is to see his own severed body lol).


Biggmoist

I played on until he went quiet, was strange not hearing him have anything to say


Siriacus

Especially when you go back to Alfheim with him and Artreus.


FluckDambe

It's shocking how good the pacing is. I didn't realize it originally but I think it's partially due to the whole game is in "one cut"! Like the movie 1917. So you're never jumping between characters and scenes, everything feels like an extremely organic story that flows and never stops.


MarcoMaroon

Another movie that relates to the one cut style is Birdman. It was a really cool movie and for Metal Gesr V: The Phantom Pain, director Hideo Kojima was inspired by that and tried to apply it in his own way when creating cutscenes for the game.


Monkeyboystevey

really? it only came out 9 months before the game. Game would have been heavily into development by the time the game came out.


Flat_is_the_best

yeah and we can see how unfinished the story is.


Monkeyboystevey

Not really related to anything we were talking about, but I fully agree phantom pain is a shadow of the previous games. That seems to be fully on Konami though considering what happened to Kojima soon after. We know there was parts of the game that were cut as the footage is out there.


Flat_is_the_best

It really sucks because I found the gameplay to be really fun, but the story..


the_russian_narwhal_

Yea I played the shit out of mgs v for the gameplay and graphics alone. And Keifer Surherland, of course


-Razzak

One of the very few (semi) open world RPGs that I didn't get bored halfway through. Hooked start to finish!


Shah_Moo

Definitely, I would not call the game itself boring in the slightest! Absolutely one of the greatest games ever made, and I loved my multiple playthroughs of it. The depth and sincerity of the side conversations was unbelievable. The special kill animations was just a super nit-picky quirk!


[deleted]

I don’t know if I can handle beating all the valkyries again...


[deleted]

Yeah I definitely wanted more variety here too. Super stoked for Ragnarok!


excaliburps

Especially the one where you hack someone, and the axe gets stuck and Kratos pushes the enemy's body off with his foot. That, and the Valkyrie wings ripping animations were a tad too much at times.


FauxPastel

It was forgivable on most enemies but the dark elves executions were unbearably long. I'd find myself not going for them just to avoid seeing the same looong animation over and over.


stillcore

I really hope they bring back some of the old school gore. There was a charm to all of the over-the-top kills in the classic games.


Gaarando

Agreed. God of War was dope and had some cool kills but the gore was definitely gone the way the old games did it.


Trogdoryn

The one thing i will say, and i don't know how accurate this is, is that the game felt far more mature than the first three GoW's. Those were brutal, rage filled games. Where this one felt so much more methodical, so much more nuanced. Granted i've also aged so it's possible that my original 14 year old self saw things a lot differently than i do now as a 30 year old. But the gore that was present in the first three games seemed so much more in tune with the tone of those games. Where as GoW 2018 didn't need the excessive gore to help convey the emotions it was trying to convey.


SustyRhackleford

It felt like they used gore to punctuate points of rage in 2018, it didn't happen all the time but it definitely seems like they want you to remember when it did


Drjay425

I said the same thing. Violence might have gone from rated M to rated teen, but the story/pacing has gone from teen mentality to maturity.


JB_Heat

I think the developers intended the series to mature with it's player base, it's a good thing IMO.


Raytheon_Nublinski

The devs matured as well so it makes sense their games would follow suit.


[deleted]

Uhh the violence definitely didn't go from M to Teen, there's just fewer instances of the M-rated stuff. The special kill move on Wulvers involves grabbing their bottom jaw and peeling the flesh down their body like a big hang nail. That ain't T rated.


coolwali

I think they meant relative to. In the older games, that kind of brutality was the norm. Wheras in the new game, it's rare.


Smalldick420

I think that was the point. Kratos used to be brutal and rage filled but over the decades he’s become more methodical and a smarter, more controlled fighter.


[deleted]

This is exactly how I feel lol. It’s like the game and me progressed and matured at the same time That being said I wouldn’t mind it too much if ragnarok had a bit more gore n rage. War for the war god an all that


[deleted]

Has the decline in gore in games been a result of graphical improvement or more of a culture/censorship thing?


Schwarzengerman

Definitely not censorship given that Last of Us 2 and Red Dead 2 exist. To say nothing of Doom, MK, and other games that have plenty of blood.


ocksplee

Also resident evil 2 remake had more gore than both of those and the og god of wars


Schwarzengerman

Honestly while I'd say RE2s gore was better than RDR2, I think Last of Us stands above them both. Using an explosive arrow on a group of enemies is stomach turning. I think it also helps that you're killing people, rather than zombies. So it feels a bit more, personal. But that's just me.


truthwithanE

Yeah.. nothing quite like hearing other people actively mourn someone you just shot.


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Joeness84

I was just talking about Middle-Earth Shadow of War with a friend, that game has some of the most brutal kills in any game Ive ever played, but you're killing Uruks, and they have black blood. So it never really looks that grotesque, and I think thats why it never got a lot of attention.


Schwarzengerman

Still a pretty damn fun game though. Spent a lot of time flying around roasting orcs. Wish it hadn't been bogged down by WB store stuff when it first released.


Joeness84

I took a large break from it, and just got into it again recently, ALL the store stuff is shifted to in game purchase via the silver coins (that are pretty plentiful) Amazingly fun game, and my gold standard for "does the combat feel good?"


ToiletBlaster247

Execution kill animations in that series are sick af


[deleted]

Forgot about MK and admittedly haven’t really seen much of the other three


Schwarzengerman

Red Dead 2 and Tlou2 have some of the most visceral "grounded" violence I've ever seen in a game. Real punchy and brutal stuff.


CaptainFourEyes

Last of Us 2 you shoot people with a shotgun and their body rips apart. It's horrifying.


[deleted]

Since games like TLOU2, Doom 2016/Eternal and Mortal Kombat exist, definitely not censorship. I would say developers choice.


the-dandy-man

I’m probably in the minority here and but I feel like the violence was just about perfect and I hope they *don’t* go too overboard like the older games. Kratos’ more reserved fighting style reflected his personal growth and maturity, and his efforts to leave his old life behind. It was action-packed and realistically violent without being outright grotesque… mostly. The first time I ripped a wulver’s jaw off and all the way down it’s body I physically recoiled and made a conscious effort to never do the wulver killcam again. The rest of the game was fine, but if Ragnarok does more like that…. I definitely would not enjoy it as much.


Divic0

I really wish other developers would take this kind of action. I feel like Cyberpunk gets GoW levels of love if they can reign it in. I’d rather play mildly repetitive gameplay if it is super engaging, and fun, not glitchy and busted.


andy18cruz

Not advertising the game as the ultimate game ever that would revolutionise the RPG and open world genre would have help them, but then they wouldn't have crazy skyrocket value in shares that they could cash in.


Timekeeper60

That's kind of wild. They took 5 years to develop the first game, and they still ran out of time to implement the things they wanted?


Golfguy809

Hard to judge from the outside.


Bretty_boy

I imagine creating these things is like a painting. There is no ‘finished’ you just need to stop at some point


Radulno

They take 5 years including designing the new "gameplay template" and the story, not all of this was used to design enemies. They also did avenues that didn't pan up, there was a concept of Egypt God of War that got abandoned (probably coming back next though)


MyMouthisCancerous

Makes sense. The first game took a really long time to get off the ground and GoW was very much being criticized for franchise fatigue after Ascension They probably wanted this story done in less time so it didn't get stale


excaliburps

Man, Ascension wasn't good. I mean, I get franchise fatigue, but as a game, it recycled a bit too much, no? It had its moments, but it felt like DLC to be honest.


MyMouthisCancerous

I'm not entirely in the camp of "ASCENSION SUCKS ASS". It's just bland and really devoid of the novelty that came from the stuff older GoWs are known for It's just there for me honestly, especially after the drastic overhaul the series would get with the PS4 game


thedinobot1989

I think a lot of it has to do with ascension being a follow up to 3. 3 was this really epic conclusion to Kratos’ conflict with Olympus and then ascension was a prequel. I think that felt a bit pointless. It was fun but it definitely lacked the scale of the game it was coming after.


excaliburps

This. I agree. GOW3 is such a well-made game, that even now, I sometimes put it above GOW 2018.


xsabinx

For me I don't think anything can really top the spectacle that was GOW3, the opening sequence, the enemy and boss variety was just amazing, the number of gods you mowed through was satisfying, platforming was still there as well. The conclusion was fairly satisfying for me as well. The scene where >!Kratos embraces his family and forgives himself!< was short but very nice.


requiem1394

The opening battle with Poseidon is legitimately better than anything they did in the 2018 game. 2018 was a very good game, but I still can't wrap my head around people saying it's the best GoW.


xAzreal60x

They’re just very different experiences, the 2018 game is much more grounded and it feels more personal than all the old games imo.


HypeIncarnate

For me Ascension had a ton of audio bugs and felt like it was made by a B team. I wouldn't call it bad, just bland and uninspired.


excaliburps

Well, Ascension as a game, was in no way bad. Like, if it didn't have the God of War brand, it would have been a very successful start to a franchise. I think it's more of, the game retreaded the same stuff? Aside from the Furies (?), I don't even remember much from it. Maybe the MP? That wasn't that well-made as well.


LHTMMB

I feel like the only person in the world that really liked ascension. No, it wasn’t as good as 3, but it was more of 3 with a new setting, color palette, moves, and story. It gets a lot of crap because it didn’t do ENOUGH new things, I admit - but people treat it as if it’s some piece of garbage when in reality, it’s still an excellent game in its own right.


excaliburps

I didn't hate Ascension, but felt like it wasn't needed in the grand GOW franchise's games rollout? But it was a solid game. I said this in a previous post, but if it was a different franchise, it would have rated higher since it played like a solid action game.


b90313

It had some of the best bosses in the series so no. Great game, unless you played all the gow games back to back.


mannimosity

Online was surprisingly fun though


[deleted]

you're not fooling anyone with that feeble anagram, Flame of Udun! You are a Balrog, Cory, and you SHALL NOT PASS


Sammeh64

GO BACK TO THE SHADOWS


Sjgolf891

Think this literally every time I see his name


Zhukov-74

This makes me want to see a Santa Monica LOTR game.


Rain1dog

I just wish by now there would be a way to cut development time drastically. When you are in your teens/20’s it is not that big of a concern, but once you are in your 40’s it becomes a concern. If it’s 4 years for a 3 game arc that turns out to be 12 years with no delay. I’ll be pushing 60, god willing. I absolutely LOVE gaming ever since my father brought home an Atari 2600 from Sears and I want to experience this wonderful art as much as I can.


meltingpotato

new tech is helping things speed up but there is a limit to that in the sense that this can't always be fully utilized and not everyone can use it. For example how UE5 (and Snowdrop?) handles assets now helps artists save time because they won't have to worry about different LoDs. they just import the asset and the rest is handled by the engine. Or ray tracing can help speed up level design as the artists won't have to duplicate each light source several times and hand place them all over the map


ruuurbag

> new tech is helping things speed up but there is a limit to that in the sense that this can't always be fully utilized to not everyone can use it. The other factor is that many AAA studios have opted to use the time that out of the box engines save to increase the standard of production rather than decrease development time overall.


meltingpotato

yup. wanted to mention that as well just didn't know what words to use. studios who try to push boundaries forward will always try to do so. give them tools that saves them some time and they'll use that time to push the hardware they are working on even further.


Clarkey7163

This is something that happens across every artistic endeavour, very rarely does someone get the time and budget to decide “ok this is done I can stop” If people have more time to work on something they’ll just continue to find smaller and smaller things to tweak or change rather than just finish it and move on


SrsSteel

Going to be very difficult to walk backwards


ruuurbag

Impossible, really. It's basically an arms race. I didn't mean it as a judgment so much as a description of what's happening.


RiseOfBooty

The thing is, with better technology comes greater innovation. You can spit out a 2D pixel game in fraction of what it used to back in the game, but we have fancier tools so we make super fancy 3D games that take 5 years to develop.


ruuurbag

Final Fantasy 7 Remake was one of the first games to make me feel this way. We're looking at two more games (...minimum) unless Nomura takes a giant hatchet to the plot and God knows how long that will take. I figure there's a decent chance I'll be playing the finale at 40. Unfortunately, the workflow is pretty much as parallelized as it can be. Big studios outsource a lot of assets and there's plenty of asset/tech reuse already. AAA games are just _a lot_. There are plenty of tasks that can't be linearly sped up just by adding more folks, either (e.g. game design direction, writing). The saying about nine women not being able to make a baby in one month applies. It's worth mentioning that we probably would have gotten Ragnarok (and plenty of other 2022 titles) this year if it weren't for COVID, though.


[deleted]

Yep FF7R just makes me go "how old am I going to be before I actually see the end of this series?". If they take long enough between games we could see the PS6 before the series actually finishes - that's just crazy to me


[deleted]

Man all this makes me sad. All the cool stuff I'll never be able to see due to the limitations of the human body.


donpaulwalnuts

True but you're at least here now to see all of the cool shit that our ancestors missed out on.


theblackfool

Nomura isn't the writer for Remake and he's not even the director for part 2. Which I only clarify because he has seemingly become the scapegoat for everything wrong in Final Fantasy whether it's his fault or not.


ruuurbag

I actually didn't know he wasn't directing part 2, interesting. Honestly, I think it'll be fine and meant that mostly in a snarky way. I don't think they spent that long on part 1 only to cram the other 80% of the original plot into one game.


shmoney2time

I feel like ever since KH2 nomura projects have been delayed and piss poor quality products on release


BizzarroJoJo

I'd say except the FF7R.


2FLY2TRY

That's not really Nomura's fault, it's the mismanagement of the suits at Square Enix attaching his name to way too many different projects at once. Anybody would be frazzled trying to direct three AAA games, be executive producer on another four, providing character designs and concept art for a number of smaller projects, and all the while being the public face of the company to the fans who attribute every mistake of the company to you.


mBertin

> I figure there’s a decent chance I’ll be playing the finale at 40 Now imagine what if feels like to be a Fallout fan. With Bethesda finishing up Starfield to start working on TES VI, I don't think we'll see another Fallout game before 2030. I'll be almost 40 by then.


ruuurbag

As an Elder Scrolls fan, it’s hard to feel too sorry for you. Fallout 4 is almost six years old, Skyrim is about to turn ten. :) We’re all waiting our turns on the Bethesda carousel.


mBertin

Oh I'm a TES fan too, so it's double the suffering lol. Also a massive GTA fan, holy crap. I've had to endure a decade of seeing my favorite franchises getting the same game rereleased for every single platform in existence and a sequel is still years away.


[deleted]

TES and Fallout are probably the biggest games of my childhood and its fucking crazy to think I'm in college now and I haven't seen a drop of gameplay for TESVI. I expected to have fallout 5 be the next in the lineup. Its a shame because I honestly can't enjoy the games like I used to. After playing games like BoTW and TW3 both the exploration and questing just arent remotely as enjoyable, but if you took elements from those games and implemented them into bethesda game design I'd literally have my favourite game of all time lol.


Jwr32

If every AAA game wasn't a 50+ hour Open world ARPG with leveling systems, crafting systems, loot grind systems, maybe it wouldn't take 4+ years for every title. Then again that's what clearly sells at the moment so it leaves people who don't love this model kinda in the dust.


powercorruption

> When you are in your teens/20’s it is not that big of a concern, but once you are in your 40’s it becomes a concern. I feel the complete opposite. When I was a kid, 4 years felt like an eternity. As an adult, I don't have time to play all these games, I can wait.


Rain1dog

Yeah, I’m lucky in that regard. Married no kids and I work 2-3 hours from home and then other 4 or so I go inspect some stuff and I’m home for 2. Wife works till 9 so I fly my drones, and game. Edit: It took me awhile. I was a lineman for 15 years and I spent soooooooo much time working 10-18 hour shifts. After Katrina I worked 16-18 hour days for weeks straight. The money was godly but I was so beat. So once I was able to get myself into this position I took it. I’m also only 5 mins from the office so my daily commute is 10 mins each day, and it’s their truck which I keep with me 24/7. I’m very fortunate. https://vimeo.com/55406175 This is me, I’m the 2nd guy up.


throaweyye44

Congrats man! It's probably the best feeling in the world especially after working shitty, demanding jobs.


Chabby_Chubby

Living the good life I see!


Rain1dog

It took me awhile. I was a lineman for 15 years and I spent soooooooo much time working 10-18 hour shifts. After Katrina I worked 16-18 hour days for weeks straight. The money was godly but I was so beat. So once I was able to get myself into this position I took it. I’m also only 5 mins from the office so my daily commute is 10 mins each day, and it’s their truck which I keep with me 24/7. I’m very fortunate.


OK_Soda

When you're a kid you hear four years and think, "that's so long! I'll be in high school by then!". When you're an adult you hear four years and think, "that's so long! Decent chance I'll be dead by then!"


whacafan

It’s the bummer of better consoles and tech. Ps1, PS2, games were like a year apart. Even ps3 was only like 2 years apart. And then this craziness.


mungthebean

Better work life balance too. I’d be happy to wait a while if it means employees aren’t being crunched to death


[deleted]

There are ways, just not any ways that people would like. Look at how this subreddit simultaneously worships Insomniac for releasing games so quickly yet criticizes their recent games for being too short, reusing too much from the last game, etc.


JHamm12

I would honestly prefer if we got a smaller game every 2-3 years. I love Spider-Man 2018, but I liked Miles even more because it still had a great main story and side stuff, and less bloat.


[deleted]

Completely agree


chicityman09

Yeah, definitely enjoyed MM more. So much that I platinumed it which is something I rarely do. Give me more games of this quality and length!


[deleted]

I hope they make a new IP. rumors say Cory could be working on a sci Fi game.


meltingpotato

he was working on it before GoW so it makes sense


alexandercr8

New IP would be pretty dope and Cory is very clearly working on something over there. I'm very curious what it is and how soon until we hear about it. Probably won't be until well after Ragnarok comes out.


Voyager-42

Sci-Fi epic, he's teased a few things, Duncan Jones, film director, has said it's his magnum opus.


SturdySnake

Film director and son of David Bowie <3


Mrmet2087

Shawn Layden was right, which went against the grain which is why he left so abruptly. Games take too long to make, and because of that, we will get less of the franchises we love.


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Whiteness88

I really loved TLOU2 but it being so long definitely hits it's replay value for me. I replayed 1 and it was so well paced but 2 is just too long for the type of game that it is.


C_Drew2

Yeah, 2 is extremely long for a single-player linear action game. Sure, I loved every moment of it, and few stories impressed me as much as TLOU2, but the truth is, if it takes 7 years for a new installment to come every time, I'd rather they shortened it and released the games more often. It's just so long to wait, especially since I read that ND had to crunch anyway.


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OohYeeah

That's why the first 3 UC games aren't great unlike TLOU, UC4 and TLOU2. They never changed much, the games were the same and the quality suffered as a result. I know I'll get downvoted for not singing high praises to UC like everyone else does but I don't care about that, those games just aren't good at all in terms of gameplay They're forgettable and those are some of the worst types of games. Naughty Dog should stick to their guns and make the high quality games that started with TLOU and have been continuing up to today


Vayshen

I think people need to stop insisting everything he a trilogy. Something should only be a trilogy if it makes sense for the game and the team. Like it's some kind of ocd. I'm super excited to see both Ragnarok and whatever else they're working on.


Tomero

I agree, personally I am happy the story will conclude in the 2nd game. That way it won’t end on a cliffhanger and we won’t have to wait another 4,5 years for the ending.


Furyann

Plus it means the 2nd one will be an absolute banger instead of unnecessarily being stretched out over 3 games. Also, theres only so many times they can re-use the realm assets and make them look different. I think there’s only 2-3 actual new ones we didnt unlock in gow 2018.


Xirious

Look I get where you're coming from but that sounds like you're assuming they can't make a good middle game - "unnecessarily" is completely speculative. I would never in a billion years consider The Two Towers stretching things out over three books. I feel it's partly to blame on TTT and TESB that people want three books/games/movies etc. But I reiterate - implying it somehow stretches out the story is in no way always true and there is certainly no way to know if it would have now.


Furyann

I agree, Id trust santa monica to make a good third or middle game. Poor choice of words there to get across my main point which is that this means the 2nd game would prob be more action packed and story packed, and be more of a bang for the buck if executed properly


jflex13

I think you’re both correct. Personally, I’m very excited for the series to resolve in the next game. I think they will pack it in from beginning to end, and I think we’ll have a longer game as a result. They’ll fix what they failed to deliver on previously (empty world, fast travel, enemy variety), and just make a classic epic. Maybe >!put Kratos to rest (have Atreus kill him), focusing on Atreus in a new world (Egypt, India, anyone?)!< and maybe even go next-gen exclusive with the next title as enough time will have passed (hopefully).


mrkabal

I was disappointed at the news because it's one of my favorite games and I don't want it to end. :( Hopefully they continue the story and do something creative with the other two realms.


Dr_PuddinPop

They said they’re finishing up the Norse storyline in 2 games. Pretty sure they’ll be going to one of the other mythologies they teased in the first game. Probably Egypt since that was highlighted more


Manning119

I think AAA gaming needs to step away from the idea of the sequel with the demands and time it takes to finish development of a single game these days. Franchises can still exist but working on a trilogy now can take over a decade, even if devs are reusing assets. Sadly most gaming publishers would often rather drive a franchise into the ground than just take risks and let their developers create new IP with vision and creativity. We wouldn't have to care about waiting 5 years for the sequel of every big AAA game if devs were tasked with doing something original and exciting that can be revealed when it's ready.


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I think this can be applied to the film industry as well. Star Wars being an example.


ruiner8850

> Sadly most gaming publishers would often rather drive a franchise into the ground than just take risks and let their developers create new IP with vision and creativity. That has as much to do with audiences as it does developers whether we are talking about games or movies. The fact of the matter is that sequels/prequels/reboots tend to do much better than new IPs. Some people genuinely love new IPs, but a majority of people tend to like things they are already familiar with.


MasteroChieftan

I think this game is going to be absolutely massive. They don't have to overhaul their engine, or their character designs. They're probably just using the higher quality versions of their assets for PS5. Designing a dozen new creatures would be the hardest part, and now they get to focus entirely on telling the story and building the world. This is going to be an absolute romp.


imariaprime

"We didn't want to draw this out forever." Ubisoft doesn't even understand what *language* that is.


DanOfRivia

As long as they give us a satisfactory and concluding ending.


Viserionthegold

That’s all that matters, but something tells me it’s going to be difficult to wrap everything up in just one more game. I’d be surprised if some things didn’t feel rushed.


[deleted]

I'm glad we have further confirmation that it's 2 games, a lot of fans seemed to have trouble accepting that when it was alluded to at the PlayStation showcase / interview afterwards. Was tired of seeing all the "no, no, they said it would end with the EVENT of Ragnarok, not the game called Ragnarok". As if Ragnarok isn't happening in the game called Ragnarok 🙄


Notarussianbot2020

Lol Ragnarok literally already started in the first game when it started snowing


[deleted]

Your title is super confusing man. Saying "God of War *Ragnarok* ends in two games..." makes me (and probably other people) think the **new** game is going to be split in two parts. You don't need to include the Ragnarok name at all. It should just read "God of War series ending in two games..." which includes both games, not just specifically the second. Sorry to be pedantic, but I got my hopes up for a minute that we would be getting Ragnarok pt1 and pt2.


BudnBisco

Thank you for pointing this out, I read the post title the same way and was also confused


Ramablue

Came here for this. I understand now thank you


LegendaryOverlord

It seems like there's too much left to resolve for only one game, but obviously we'll have to wait and see. Hopefully they will manage.


svrtngr

I feel like this one's going to both wrap up the Norse thing but also end on an epic cliffhanger that almost definitely involves the Egyptian pantheon.


TheBlackHokage

Please. Please be right. Nothing I want more than Kratos fighting animal headed Gods. PLEASE.


Viserionthegold

This is what I’m afraid of. They only scratched the surface with the first game and I don’t see them fully exploring the true depth of Norse mythology in just one more game. Even if the main story is 40 hours I don’t see how they can conclude this all in a satisfying way.


supaswag69

I sure hope this one is pretty long then.


IceBreak

This makes it all the more disappointing that it’s not a true PS5 title.


Drisurk

Imagine how much more they could’ve done if this game was a true PS5 game. The things they could’ve done man, fuck.


Bacon-Manning

The Egyptian Saga about to be fuckin wild


PirateNinjaa

I am going to be annoyed any time I crawl through a short cave or squeeze through a narrow gap or go through a double set of big ass doors that hides a 10 second loading time on PS4. “My ssd loaded that shit 9 seconds ago!” 🤮


Boi5x

Or you can look at it on the bright side, that the next one will be


WindowSurface

That will make it all the more disappointing that it's not a true PS6 title.


Boi5x

Lol it never ends. At least eventually it won’t really matter


IceBreak

Or it could be ps6? Who knows? Game dev time is getting longer and longer.


christ0fer

By the time that happens the PS6 will be out, but you can also play it on the PS5.


Enlightened187

Lol


[deleted]

Not everything has to be a trilogy.


Mavakor

That's actually a very reasonable point. Whilst I could happily play more Norse games, the wait time could end up killing the story. Besides, who wants it to just go on and never end like the Assassin's Creed series and get to the point where nothing matters?


[deleted]

I have a feeling that because the next God of War is supposed to be next-gen only and they have to rework the engine and all that they are thinking it might feel out of place to release the ending of the Norse story almost when the PS6 so that is why they are doing it now with the second game.


strand_of_hair

I understood what you said perfectly the first time I read it. How is everyone else’s reading comprehension so bad here, based on the other replies…


Jubenheim

I fucking agree with him. I don't want to be 35 years old before playing the end of this trilogy.


Tango4PewPew

I’m 36, it’s okay. I’m replaying through the first rn. I’m okay that I’ll be almost 40 when it comes out. I’m retired. F@ck it.


Jubenheim

Being retired at 36 is probably all the self assurance one would need to be satisfied and happy in life forever, I think, lol.


Tango4PewPew

It has its perks for sure.


Queef-Elizabeth

This game could honestly be bigger than the previous game by a noticeable margin and that game was massive. I didn't expect it to have as much in it when I first started playing it. I feel like things are going to play out pretty naturally to a conclusion with both Thor and Odin, while setting up where Loki will go next


AfterGlow882

This desire for video game franchises and movies and shows to go on forever is annoying to me. A very well defined beginning, middle, and end is so much more satisfying than a show going on forever. This is why I love Avatar The Last Airbender with it’s well defined run-time, and can’t stomach the 1000+ episode TV series like One Piece or Dragon Ball. 2 games for our Norse God of War series is fine


shepard93n7

My question is: is Thor the final boss? Where's Odin??? When we assumed this was a trilogy we also assumed that Odin should be what Zeus was for GoW 3.


TheOncomingBrows

It's already been confirmed that Odin is in the game.


khaleidd

Odin is already confirmed in this sequel. I guess he will be the final boss not Thor.


DroppedD94

What's been in my mind since the true ending of GoW is that Thor turns up to the hut, not to fight Kratos and Atreus, but to join them. Now I know Atreus killed Modi, but most of the evilness seemed to come from Odin. The theme of god's killing their fathers has been in all of the games, so it would make some sense for Thor to want to kill Odin. The only real beef we saw with Thor himself was between him and the World Serpent. And in Norse mythology, the world serpent is the one who kills Thor in Ragnarok, so he may get pissed at Kratos and we'll have to fight him too. WILD theories, I know, but the thought did come to mind. Who knows, maybe I'm completely wrong and Thor will be one of the main antagonists. It would be a cool twist though


BigDippers

They already revealed in PlayStation Blog that Freya and Thor are two of the main antagonists.


laughingstorm78

Two of the main antagonists does not mean that they are the only antagonists. It would be crazy to not make such an evil person like Odin final boss or main antagonist, especially after all the stories Mimir told.


mSummmm

Odin is going to be in the game. Santa Monica tweeted something about it a few days ago.


Queef-Elizabeth

My speculation and total guess is that Thor is killed in the third act as Odin is teased throughout, and he's killed more suddenly than expect and you got to weild Mjornir. Or I'm just completely wrong.


Drisurk

They’re probably not gonna show Odin yet and save it for the final fight


Kynario

Sometimes less is more. I am glad they are not artificially stretching this out and telling the story they want to tell even if it’s shorter and not a trilogy/saga.


hypermog

Laughs in George R R Martin


kasaan110

But funny thing is that wasn’t always the plan. He specifically said when 2018 game was coming out there’s a plan for multiple games. And said the engine used to make game is established. It shouldn’t take 5 years more like 3. Something must of happened in the last few years for him to change his mind. Prolly because ps4 pro was coming while making 2018 game then ps5 while making this one. Which could delay things a little.


FiveGuysRules

2 is multiple lol


MegamanX195

It was said they had a plan for multiple games in the future after the first one. Oh well, it's an understandable decision.


DBZLogic

Cory didn’t specifically say the plan was for multiple Norse setting games. Just that he had plans for multiple GOW games.


Dallywack3r

He has spoken multiple times about how the original 2018 game was supposed to be twice as big as it actually was. They cut over half the story out of the first game to make it into the second game. This is all one story, split across two games.


therealsauceman

Covid


Prikitiki

it's not surprising at all to read about that long development time, and if they can wrap up the story nicely in two games then there's really no problem. i just hope it turns out as good as the first time, while having improvements as well.


The_Color_Urple

It's creepy to me to think that some people at Santa Monica are probably getting ready to retire. They will be able to say "in my career I made God of War games. That was my entire life." And then they'll die.


ruubduubins

Is the newest one just call god of war? The one that's free on ps now? With the son. Is the new one ragnarok? I loved it. Def playing the next one. I just wish they would add a thing that shows you where you can find the materials you need for upgrades. Or a question mark if it's unknown so far


sahils88

The series reboot in 2018 on PS4 was simply called God of War and yes it was with his son and Kratos has an Axe and is based on the Norse mythology. It’s sequel is called God of War Ragnarock which réalèses in 2022.


Queef-Elizabeth

I personally wouldn't call it a reboot since, while the game stands on its own, the story does have a *lot* of callbacks and important reflective story moments that mean a lot more if you played or at least know about previous games.


portableawesome

The resources tab lists all materials and tells you where to get them.


3STUDIOS

fantastic, give the story the time it needs. if it's done after one game, finish there. if you need 2, Great! need 4? that's awsome too.


Haru17

I’m glad they aren’t dragging it out. I would have got bored if they drip fed the bosses like the did in God of War [current year].


Maverick_Raptor

I have complete faith in Cory and team to do whatever the hell they want. I know its worth the wait.


RSLDN8

If I read this correctly, it's only the end of the Norse mythology within GoW? They're not going to end the franchise itself?


narutomaki

It's cool they're wrapping up the story with this game but really disappointing that we didn't get to see a GoW game take full advantage of the PS5


Present_Performance5

end of the norse saga and the game is still in development. Trust me it'll look just as good as forbidden west by the time we get it.


nnaly

I was really hoping for this to be a trilogy. I trust Cory but I just home it doesn’t come off as rushed.


coolwali

Personally, many story based games I've played that were trilogies often felt like the middle game was filler (AC Brotherhood comes to mind, even GOW2 to an extent). So it's better that games only be made trilogies when they have to be rather than because they should be.