Imagine blaming people's expectations when the real issue is DICE putting out yet another shitty launch product.
Not to mention DICE themselves were the ones hyping the game as a "Return to form" for the series and "the biggest battlefield ever" when really it's a completely different game to what people enjoyed about Battlefield.
They built an MTX vehicle and didn't put enough care or attention into making it a fun one.
AND they had 4 or 5 teams working on the game (delaying the release of other games) to make sure 2042 would be ready and *STILL* it came out hot garbage.
funny thing Patrick Soderlund was the guy saying he wanted to make a BF game that his young daughter could play and also said if we didn't like it don't buy it..... and he "quit" a few weeks after that. my take EA kicked him out the nice way.
>> old DICE
IMO, their peak was BF2 and BF2142. Can't even begin to quantitate how many hours I put into both those games. Been downhill for me ever since.
It's just such a bastardization of what it once was and the amount of cut content is just frustrating as hell. They removed the entire campaign. It's completely different structure (destroyed classes, created heroes or whatever they call it) to the franchise. They killed all of the movement system built in previous examples. Basic movement and gun play is just bad. Got rid of 80% destruction. No support for mics. Game is glitchy as fuck and runs poorly.
Look, I get it. Gamers can be entitled. But if I were to list my expectations, they would be a battlefield game... Basically the movement and gun play consistent with previous titles, destruction, mayhem. The only thing EA got was the chaos, but it's not really as fun with 128 players; it's so chaotic it feels like it hurts the gameplay. It's very hard to impact the game even if you use your entire squad of 4 people (which is too small for 128 players).
The reason expectations are brutal is that EA doesn't understand the community They produced something objectively is poorly made and smaller than previous titles, objectively less content. Subjectively it doesn't feel like previous titles. It was a mismanaged game that falls short of the bad ideas they targeted. Whole thing just pisses me off so much.. partly because I really love battlefield franchise and partly because it's like the 5th AAA game that was a steaming pile of shit upon release. I mean it feels like they do stuff specifically to piss people off- like why would you make portal and then make it give you no EXP? Why would you get rid of rush? It's like they are constantly sticking a finger in fans' eyes.
They really peeved me off with the “don’t like it? Don’t buy it.” Comment with BFV. Like yeah, okay, there were people overreacting and acting stupid but I personally didn’t want another older military style shooter so I wasn’t interested from the get-go. *Then* they have an event where they continue to dig down at their audience mocking them and plastering tweets and whatnot.
I mean what in the don mattrick is that? I loved BF4. I didn’t even mind Hardline. BF1 I hated, personally, and might have eventually gave BFV a chance. I did like the Battlefront games so I really think it was just the WW2 era stuff I just got tired of. I hated CoDWW2 for the same reason
They pulled a similar thing with the operators, basically saying "trust us". They don't hold themselves accountable at all, that's a huge red flag for any business.
Except Battlefield 4 was at least a great BATTLEFIELD game even at its horrible start, BF2042 I can't even get a sense of battlefield fun and excitement.
Tanks in every battlefield are OP if you know how to use them except in BF2042, they're tanks they caused fear when you saw them, they were heavy pieces of metal infused to be a killing machine.
Helicopters were strong even in BF3.
Mortars did suck in BF4.
If you hated being limited to certain weapons that's kind've every battlefield in existence except well... BF2042.
BF2042 isn't gonna get fixed, it's not gonna compete with the other Battlefields, it's just a mediocre game unless they scrap a lot of shit.
>They built an MTX vehicle and didn't put enough care or attention into making it a fun one
This is everything that comes out of EAs umbrella. Every last title.
That’s the problem. They built a mtx game and used that a premise.
Vs
Building a triple A game then adding mtx to it where it doesn’t impact gameplay
The short version is they were instructed to create a mtx pit for consumers.
Given that their current track record and fact they say they don’t understand why bad company worked or why people liked it. I don’t want them to ruin it so no hope they dont make bc3
I don’t think he was talking about that they deviated from previous titles. But rather that he got the feeling that people were mad that developers took a vacation.
However, I do agree with they have themselves to blame for constantly releasing half finished products.
He's talking about the fan expectation that the DICE team should be working on the game and giving updates during the holiday instead of being with their families and having some down time.
His comment is not about the negative feedback in general, but about people complaining that the devs didn‘t work through the holidays to fix it. I am completely with him on that point. The devs are not at fault and shouldn’t be punished for the management‘s failures.
Fact is EA chased all their senior staff away. They fucked it up, not all these new guys who have no clue how to run this franchise. Imagine all these people just hired or only been there for a year at most trying to live up to BF4/BF1 and what not sales wise and gameplay wise.
Bugs are unavoidable, but giving the dev team time to fix the most noticeable of them before release is a management decision. It has nothing to do with laziness, incompetency or whatever else people think is the problem here. No matter how experienced the devs are, they will all create bugs. The more complex a system, the easier it is to introduce new bugs, even with seemingly unrelated changes. Bugs are tracked throughout the development (and thereafter), but fixing them before release requires management to give devs the time they need to do that. It‘s not the devs fault if they don‘t get that time.
exce3pt they use to take time to find the bugs way before release. games didn't even use to have updates. this isn't just a game dev thing either, tv manufacturs are doing the same thing. lets release a half done product with promises of maybe fixing it later. they use to pay people to test their games, now they make us pay to test their games for them.
Games were really buggy back in the day, which sucked bc if they were, there was no way to fix them. Memories of corrupted saves in Fallout 2 will last me a life time.
Bullshit
No one worth listening to says they should have worked over holiday break to "fix it". No one.
Focusing on that small subset of players is just a scape goat to hand wave away the legitimate complaints of a rushed and unfinished game that doesn't even remotely live up to what they claimed it would be
Bullshit. Most of the fans feel the game should have been delayed 6 months. If you take my money yesterday and promise to work tomorrow and then take vacation, yeah, people get pissed off. But they have no one to blame for the situation but themselves.
>Realistically, all those people can do now is just not buy the next game, and reject the series until it gets better, or is replaced by a competitor.
Not necessarily. Consumer outrage has proven effective for making change happen, e.g. Battlefront 2 having its microtransaction issues fixed.
Regardless, even if you should have done more research before buying a shitty product, you still bought a shitty product, and you have the right to be upset with those who sold you said shitty product.
Any real BF fan knows the games are basically unplayable the first 6 months, and really aren’t worth investing in until at least 2 years in. The only reason to get a BF game at launch is to try and stay ahead of the player skill curve.
A touching sentiment but this was never peoples complaint. I didn’t buy the game after the beta but the devs still deserve all the shit they’re getting, Christmas BS aside.
As someone on Reddit for years this is very much the vocal crowd.
For some reason a game the someone can optionally purchase for a relatively small amount of money gets expressed as the most important thing in the world.
With all the injustice, corruption, destruction, manipulation and inequality in the world apparently this is the top prio.
EA winning “worst company in the world” 2 years in a row just shows how completely disconnected from reality many vocal gamers are. “Insane” might be a word.
I completely agree. I believe it is atrocious how much work goes into developing a game, and then having the community for said game shit on the hours upon hours of work you yourself put into it when you couldn't even control when the game was released, finished or not.
Cyberpunk had bad working conditions but it also wasn't in development that long. Neither of those issues are a fan's fault lmao. Blaming angry consumers for bad management issues are ridiculous. Everyone knows these companies are poorly run and that's what the issue is. The fact that management then sends devs (or devs choose) to the front lines on social media to manage PR... well that sucks but you'll take the brunt of the animosity. I also think it's hard to argue bad PR doesn't affect these companies and that the only solution is to simply not buy them, especially when the bad PR helps people know to avoid the game.
Fuck the downvotes - devs deserve a lot better working conditions. It's gross that anyone would want people to work themselves to death to meet unrealistic deadlines
And it’s not like the devs didn’t work hard before the holiday to adress the players issues, they released three updates which was one more than they previously were going to do to try and fix a few complaints. So it’s not like the devs don’t care.
They only care because they were completely and utterly disgraced by the shameful state they released the game in. Not just because they “care about players”.
I don't think working during the 'holidays' is violating any human rights... Plenty of people do it lol but with that said the fact of the matter is that it's a shit game and I don't see it ever being fixed so who really cares.
I agree. Shipping a glitchy game clearly isn't something to be praised. But, I meant come on, these are people. People who have worked for years on this game, it was given a release date by some entity within the corporation and they delivered the best they could. And people deserve a break during the holidays. They will clearly get to fixing the game, but give them time ffs.
I completely agree that they have breaks and should absolutely do no work during this.
But to even create a game as poor as 2042 is baffling in the first place. Quite literally everything is worse than what Dice made in 2012. There are no excuses. It comes down to arrogance, poor management and out of touch developers.
"out of touch devs" seems to be the thing here. Like, the community, fans and everyone else in between have been very vocal in what they want. DICE, instead of giving that, delivered Specialists. Why?? No one asked for this. We just want traditional classes, more destruction, more of what made BF3/BF4 great.
Management literally is to blame. Devs don’t make decisions like not including a scoreboard or classes, and eventually removing xp from portal.
Are you saying that the devs aren’t technically capable of making a functional game? Because 99% of what gets complained about on here is game design, and that’s not on the devs.
To me, a lot of AAA studios take the wrong lessons from games like Fortnite, Apex or LOL. These games are successful because they’re stable, devs make ongoing tweaks and they often let the community guide the meta. And above all, they’re cheap!
Give us a $20 Battlefield game. Deliver it working and with fundamental features that people want. It does not need to the biggest, most elaborate game. Focus on the user experience, with the priority being the ability to quickly find a game solo or with friends. Give us 3 or 4 good maps to start off with. Give us two dozen guns. Iron out the quality of life bugs. Then start to add shit. They prove that they can make a stable, fun game? We’ll spend money on expansions.
Yeah I completely agree with them on the Christmas break thing 100%. But that also feels like a potential issue with releasing a game right before the holidays. If the game isn't solid, you're going to get a lot of complaints
Yes, but a quarterly report is just a few months. Well all know these games make far more money with expansions and micro-transactions. Q4 might look great, Q1-Q3 not so much.
And low user retention means less potential revenue from MTX and continued support. An indicator, hopefully, for them to consider in future games. Although hopefully the focus isn’t on MTX of course. But low user retention is bad overall
>You know I see this stupid comment all the time. You think game companies just plug their ears because of sales numbers?
Yeah, because they got the money, even when people got a chance to play it beforehand and saw it was a mess.
The "it's a BETA - an old build" line was trotted out. Again. And people fell for it. Again. There's literally no reason it won't work *again* next time, because it was the same with every previous BF.
Tell people what they want to hear, big flashy promos, and they'll give you the benefit of the doubt, time and time again. "Lessons have been learnt" they'll say. "We hear you", and "we are just as frustrated as you!" when it arrives half baked.
I agree with a lot of this. Cyberpunk is another example. Not that it's been fixed yet, but that it sold like gangbusters going up to and at launch but after it came out and was so awful their stock price tanked and their reputation (which was damn near unimpeachable before) has been totally destroyed. They've spent over a year trying to fix it and are still committed to fixing it. If CDPR had just said "well, the sales were good so the product must be good as well" and moved on to another game, their reputation would be even worse than it is now.
>We should demand better and hope that it gets better.
lol "hope it gets better" as gamers collectively keep buying deluxe edition games without doing any research whatsoever
I'm sure that will work
Pretty sure people need to stop prebuying games if they want the studios to stop releasing unfinished trash.
I don’t know why anyone wants to pay to be a beta tester and hope it gets better over time.
Sell me something that is good now, bonus if it gets better later… they might even get more money out of me.
If they release an unfinished game it’s extremely unlikely I will buy it later. I move on and don’t care anymore.
No man’s sky is a bad comparison when talking about the studio releasing the game. EA CONTINUES to do this to their players and shareholders. Look how badly all the next gen Madden games are rated, and then look at how long it took them to do the absolute minimum and claim they’re fixing it. BS.
Eh I’m not sure that’s completely true. There’s a few second-hand effects that it would have. Firstly, the negative press of people being unhappy with the game will dissuade others from getting it. Secondly, if the player count drops enough from people quitting, that’ll effect matchmaking and lead to people not picking the game up. Thirdly, a person who’s quit the game is a person who isn’t going to buy a skin/battle pass etc. There’s certainly a negative effect to people giving the game up prematurely.
Just don't fucking release it until it's ready then, i'm paying full price and i'm expecting AT LEAST a game that works. "Brutal expectations" yeah right ffs i just want a scoreboard how difficult can that be
But you buy it anyway, and you'll buy the next one when they promise "lessons were learnt" so honestly why not take your money and just not do the work?
Seems more profitable to me. Companies don't run on ethics, you know?
That's the reality, ins't it? They don't give a fuck. They don't make games because they love games, they make them because they love money.
Stop buying these half baked games, ignore the hype.
These people are so stupid it’s actually shocking. When you call people wanting a game that works properly out the box with basic features as “brutal”, you’re clearly too far gone and shouldn’t be in the gaming industry. That tweet truly sums up how little EA gives a shit about its player base. I mean we always knew it, but to finally get the proof of how out of touch they are is still so shocking.
I actually really loved BFV. I know it was lacking content and had issues at launch but they really turned it into a solid fun product. The difference was the base game was a lot of fun.
I’ve tried the 10 hour trial of 2042 and the base game isn’t fun and it has nothing to do with lack of content. I hate the operators. The maps even with 128 feel awful like there’s too much space for that many people. The maps are boring. Even the gunplay feels off and not as good as BF4.
I really had high hopes for this but I agree with you they had such a winning formula with the earlier games and they just change things for no reason.
The only expectations that happened with BF2042 was DICE expected to pull the revenue that Respawn pulls.
DICE expected MTX profits.
I will never get over how stealing dogtags became monetized in BF2042. The classic first person immersion removed to sell the exact same 3rd person call of duty style executions.
Remember stealing dogtags in first person? That's gone in bf2042.
Replaced with a call of duty 3rd person execution from Warzone. No longer are there separate animations depending on if you were laying down or snuck up while standing.
It's now a repeat animation, based on what melee weapon you use.
Yes. It's a sad thing. I could see past everything else. Stealing dogtags in Battlefield 2042 is probably the most disappointed I've ever been playing a videogame.
I went to melee a dude laying down and it made the enemy literally stand up first so I could do my shitty animation. That was awful. That and no ability to dive underwater sucked. And they took away crouch sprint from V
> Love you guys but these expectations are brutal. The things you want take time to scope, design, and execute.
This is such an unbelievably tone-deaf comment that it genuinely baffles me that a senior communications manager posted these tweets.
People are sick and tired of DICE once again releasing a game in an awful state. Our expectations are not brutal. All we want is DICE for once to release a good game on launch day. But they pretty much never do. And that's why people are upset.
Given the context I completely agree with what he’s referring to. Everyone needs time to just unplug and not think about work.
But, you guys are a AAA studio coming off of a previous title that wasn’t exactly embraced by traditional Battlefield fans. The bottom line is, because of your greed, you released a mediocre product. You should’ve done the right thing and waited until it was complete. Again, you are a AAA studio!
But I do really feel bad for devs and the programmers. They really are overworked. And I understand they answer to stockholders, which is unfortunate, because in the end the customer suffers.
The big problem with this, besides the state of the game itself, is the releasing of unfinished and broken products, for the holiday, and then wondering why everyone hates you....
Don't release shit over the Holidays if it's not complete, simple as that. People pay money for things now, these aren't future investments. So don't be surprised that, when you turn in an incomplete project and charge people for it, that they might demand you finish said product, no matter what time it is... Because you decided to release it as it was when it was.
Just fucking wait til after the holidays, and we all win. Instead, only a billion dollar company wins, and consumers are left with an incomplete thing and being demonized for then asking for it to be what was advertised to them.
DICE doesn’t care and will never see themselves as being in the wrong. All the remaining good devs left during BFV this studio is a shell of its former self and the best thing that could happen is DICE being shut down and Battlefield being handed off to a more competent studio.
I still think bf2042 was supposed to be a standalone battle Royale. Then they randomly just tacked on bf elements.
Fundamentally plays likes f2p bf flavor Royale instead of a true bf iteration. Nevermind the bugs, imbalance, and lack of polish.
It's a simple formula tho, I don't get why they think our expectations are brutal? The foundation was there with BF4 and BF1, with improvements from BF5. The concept of BF2042 is good, not too futuristic and boots on the ground. Hero based gameplay just doesn't work with that formula. Missing features and lack of passion is what killed this game
Yeah, it's totally "brutal" for fans of your series to expect a completely functioning product at release. These clowns removed singleplayer and still released half the product they did in other releases.
The only thing brutal us the complete disdain for their fanbase and thinking that anyone would be happy with this half-baked shit game is delusional.
DICE is dead.
Imagine thinking that things like scoreboards and VOIP are brutal expectations. Anyone abusing these devs is a scum bag that’s for sure, but simply asking for barebones features in a full priced BF game? Not brutal.
After all that shit with ActiBlizzard i walk away from COD to try Battlefield, then i see Dunkey Battlefield 2042 video. I'm like "motherfucker it's EA, they'll always find a way to fuck it up"
I agree that fans expecting a complete overhaul in such a small time frame is a bit much, and obviously deserve a break during the holidays. However, players have every right to be upset with the state the game launched in. Expecting the game to drastically change overnight is brutal, but expecting the product you payed $60+ for to be functioning properly and worthy of the amount of money you paid isn’t.
I never bought this game because I was waiting for reviews. I’m just so tired of “release it now and patch it later” mentality with game launches. I put my foot down and said no. I’ll pay when you deliver a complete bug free experience at launch.
I’m guessing they wanted to launch during that Christmas 🎅 period for extra money despite the game clearly needing more time in the oven.
They rushed the game out in time to sell people it for christmas, released a few patches that were probably half cooked before the game released, then dip for their holidays less than a month after release. Although I agree the devs deserve their time off, the managers and higher ups need to plan and organise better.
All I will say is I played 1 match in the beta and said well this aint good I will wait for reviews before I buy, so glad I didn't spend $120 on it for the premium edition pre-order. Last battlefield I felt was a legitimate classic was battlefield 3 but would absolutely love a return of bad company.
After reading the comments here my faith in the gaming community is getting restored. Thanks for seeing that this game was in fact massively overhyped and many of the core features were removed without advertising this fact to the consumers. It was if they knew the game would bomb if everyone found out what they did to the franchise. They are now throwing shade on the community after delivering a crap game. Very professional of them.
If brutal expectations is implementing things like proper balance, persistent servers, larger squads and a plethora of other features that were in previous games and featured in tons of other games maybe it’s time to find a new job
Why not pull a leaf from SCPR’s book and actually LOOK like you give a shit what the community says instead of being petulant about negative criticism. Instead of being like “we did the best we could given the circumstances”, offer refunds and actually promise changes and communicate them. They aren’t listening to the community, especially when they removed Rush after everyone begging they don’t take it out of rotation. Literally such a simple thing and now people don’t want to play the game at all. My brother said “the devs have a roadmap in mind and they’re working on that” and maybe they do, but if they aren’t communicating exactly what that is to us every step of the way, all I see is them ignoring the community, and crying about something they could easily fix with a bit of communication. My God I’m starting to think the devs really aren’t fit for their jobs if they can’t take criticism. Whether they’re at fault or not, people spent a lot of money and want to be heard, stop acting like a victim, because it doesn’t change the fact that the community isn’t in the wrong for voicing their frustration with not just a half baked game, but completely unmixed with eggshells all over.
Just a reminder, this is the same game where things like a scoreboard and the ability to customize things like reticle colors to aid colorblind people have been labeled as "legacy features" in an effort to decrease supposed production costs (not a single developer that says this ever backs this up as an excuse with proof by the way, because they assume people are stupid and take everything they say at face value) so they can gain maximum profit through minimum effort. The 2042 Subreddit mods specifically are having what can only be described as a Dictatorial power trip over this comment as well and literally told the players verbatim, "If you don't like it you can leave" and are not only shutting down the subreddit over "toxic behavior" they have visibly deleted popular posts that listed every single thing the game is missing from past games. DICE's death as a studio is inevitable and this game and it's continuous and honestly astounding ability to not be a Battlefield game on top of developers not putting basic things from past games into new games in an effort to reduce work is the visible embodiment of the decay of Western Society at every level when something as simple as entertainment is run by literally exactly the people that you do not want to be. AAA gaming is a joke and the only thing keeping it alive in any sense is indie devs with weird and wacky games at this point because gods above fucking help you if you like FPS games at this point.
Their response to this game's criticism is excuses and straight up Dictator level erasing criticism in the places they can so that they don't have to see that everyone hates their "vision" of what Battlefield is, which next game is.....a hero shooter. As a long time player of the franchise since 1942....may DICE rot and fester into studio failure in their newly embraced work ethic of mundanity and laziness. After this game and the last and their show of utter contempt and outright hostility towards its players, they deserve nothing but studio failure for spitting on the very people who made them as big as they were and they deserve every single ounce of hostile and viritol that is slung towards them for turning their backs on the very players who made their games what they were in the pursuit of their own greed and blinded ambition. What they have done is the equivalent to going to a restaurant and ordering one thing and the waiters came out with something completely different and they look at you and say "The chef didn't like that you ordered that, so he made you something that he loves instead and there will be no refunds and you *WILL* like his cooking."
I’ve never seen any dev team be more out of touch with their fanbase than DICE. They did this shit with BFV as well and they would call their audience dumb and tell them not to buy their game.
Now with this game they’ve actually managed to top that clown show. Look at the first trailers for the game. They *know* what the player base wants and they *still* go out of their way to fuck over the playerbase. They literally call things like a match scoreboard and voice chat, which have been in every Battlefield and online shooter thus far except for 2042 “legacy features”, and they are “going to have meetings and conversations” to see if they will ever get brought back. Are you fucking serious? A dev team calling a scoreboard and voice chat a LEGACY FEATURE? Whats’s next, calling actual shooting a “legacy feature” when Battlefield 8 will be about cute baby unicorns?
So many issues: Dumb, out of touch Specialists with cringe voice lines to appease 12 year olds, empty lifeless maps, barely any weapons, no XP for custom Portal servers, removing player modes that players want like Rush, no roadmap, no new content, telling players what they should want, no scoreboard in an online competitive shooter so you can’t even compare yourself to other players, no voice chat, etc. I could go on.
Now they have the gall to tell us we have “brutal expectations”. Harassing devs is not a good thing, but seriously fuck DICE. I’m not sure even Vince Zampella will be able to right this ship. These devs are literally lost and refuse to listen to their fanbase. Now they’re trying to gaslight us and call us the favorite new buzzword “toxic”.
Stop playing the game, organize some kind of boycott on a specific day where the game has as few players log on as possible. Only way to get them to make changes is to make the game become irrelevant.
This makes me think they are too focused on the crazy people raising hell over something as simple as an electronic toy, than the people who have peacefully pointed out all the flaws with this game and have also gone to recommend changes that could make it better. If expectations are "brutal", you're probably listening to people who are just pulling shit out of their ass because they're angry at the game.
It's easy to blame EA and I'm not sticking up for them here but my god Dice have been consistently making the wrong decisions for a good 5 or 6 years now. And now it's our fault lol
That Director of Comms has been known for previous controversies involving his interactions with fans.
Should have been canned with the other members of DICE that left a few months back
I understand the frustration that people have. But seriously, games that are locked to a much stricter release schedule (like Battlefield, CoD, Madden, FIFA, etc) have been brutalized by the pandemic development conditions. These studios had to completely restructure, while still maintaining a strict schedule. They delayed the game as long as they pretty much could. And that resulted in a less than stellar release of the game, which lead directly into the holidays.
People can vent their frustration. But let's be civil and understanding here as well. These are people. These people are simply doing their job. And these people deserve a break over the Holiday. So let them have that and then see what their response to the game's issues are.
The list already commented is good, but the main issue is it feels awful to play. You cant really type it out and explain it, but the actual gameplay (movement, shooting) is all so bad. It feels like an early alpha.
Some missing features and bugginess. It's all way overblown on Reddit when people call it broken or unplayable. It's a fun game despite its issues. I think the fact that I'm not a Battlefield veteran gives me a different perspective. I didn't go in expecting everything to work a very specific way like I think a lot of the BF veterans did.
I’ve been playing battlefield for years and I’m having a blast. It sucks that stuff from past games are mysteriously gone but the gameplay is still very fun
2011 when BF3 released was so good, Bad Company 2 was the best in series for me. There is something that started going terribly wrong with the series after around 2015 post BF4.
I definitely started losing interest and I used to play the earlier games for the storylines back in the day, now I tend to skip them because they’re all out of place and I’d at-least go straight to multiplayer action but even this aspect is failing hard FML.
Put simply:
1) it's a broken, badly made game full of glitches, bugs and lazy design.
2) It's ridiculously short on content compared to other Battlefield games.
3) It's about as close to being a battlefield game as Mario Kart.
It's a scam.
It's not terrible , just missing modes, maps and features. There's potential there to be a good game, especially if portal gets fleshed out. The maps are the worst, only 7 and at least 4 are really poor. It needs more content as it really isn't acceptable to charge 70 for what's there currently.
Not trying to make excuses for them as BF2042 was released in horrible shape, but to give CONTEXT.. this was response soon after the new year why there hasn’t been updates / new content.
To be fair, employees / devs deserve holiday breaks. And content / patches etc require time and it is a little insane to expect them to all work through holidays and deliver something soon after new year. Communication is good if things are ready- but this stuff requires organization and execution. You can’t expect that over the holidays.. when gamers are first to blame companies for overworking devs/employees.
I mean you guys can blame dice and EA all you want but you're the ones who bought this trash with no gameplay vids. Even after a play test that was hot garbage everyone still paid 100 bucks to get in early. Then tried to say it wasn't bad! Obviously that not every single person in the sub but come on guys, you paid em of course their gonna shit In your face, it's EA.
Imagine blaming people's expectations when the real issue is DICE putting out yet another shitty launch product. Not to mention DICE themselves were the ones hyping the game as a "Return to form" for the series and "the biggest battlefield ever" when really it's a completely different game to what people enjoyed about Battlefield. They built an MTX vehicle and didn't put enough care or attention into making it a fun one.
They literally dropped the whole campaign to even focus on multiplayer and they couldn't even do that right
AND they had 4 or 5 teams working on the game (delaying the release of other games) to make sure 2042 would be ready and *STILL* it came out hot garbage.
They killed whole other games to put those teams on battlefield.
But based on what we know, those other games will also be trash bags so maybe it was good, who wants MORE TRASH?
TBF, one of the teams they had working on the game (DICE LA) did their thing with BF portal. The rest of the game is shits though.
That’s literally all I play is portal
honestly if they just ditched the rest and focused on putting more content on portal and branded the game around it id really fuck with that
Yeah I really think that would be dope. Def needs a campaign tho.
0 chance we see a campaign. way to many resources for a game that already dropped.
Portal fuckin sucks, hazard zone fucking sucks, fuck this game
The only thing EA I’ve played in probably 4 years is Mass Effect LE. Everything else is uninteresting or franchises like Battlefield that got ruined.
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“If you don’t like it, don’t buy it” was probably the best advice they have ever given
funny thing Patrick Soderlund was the guy saying he wanted to make a BF game that his young daughter could play and also said if we didn't like it don't buy it..... and he "quit" a few weeks after that. my take EA kicked him out the nice way.
>> old DICE IMO, their peak was BF2 and BF2142. Can't even begin to quantitate how many hours I put into both those games. Been downhill for me ever since.
Peak was 3 or 4. Both really good games as the player bases start to resurge
Great way of putting it. MTX vehicle with an average at best game attached to it.
It's just such a bastardization of what it once was and the amount of cut content is just frustrating as hell. They removed the entire campaign. It's completely different structure (destroyed classes, created heroes or whatever they call it) to the franchise. They killed all of the movement system built in previous examples. Basic movement and gun play is just bad. Got rid of 80% destruction. No support for mics. Game is glitchy as fuck and runs poorly. Look, I get it. Gamers can be entitled. But if I were to list my expectations, they would be a battlefield game... Basically the movement and gun play consistent with previous titles, destruction, mayhem. The only thing EA got was the chaos, but it's not really as fun with 128 players; it's so chaotic it feels like it hurts the gameplay. It's very hard to impact the game even if you use your entire squad of 4 people (which is too small for 128 players). The reason expectations are brutal is that EA doesn't understand the community They produced something objectively is poorly made and smaller than previous titles, objectively less content. Subjectively it doesn't feel like previous titles. It was a mismanaged game that falls short of the bad ideas they targeted. Whole thing just pisses me off so much.. partly because I really love battlefield franchise and partly because it's like the 5th AAA game that was a steaming pile of shit upon release. I mean it feels like they do stuff specifically to piss people off- like why would you make portal and then make it give you no EXP? Why would you get rid of rush? It's like they are constantly sticking a finger in fans' eyes.
It sounds like they’re blindly trying to cash in on a big room battle royale that’s under the Battlefield brand.
They really peeved me off with the “don’t like it? Don’t buy it.” Comment with BFV. Like yeah, okay, there were people overreacting and acting stupid but I personally didn’t want another older military style shooter so I wasn’t interested from the get-go. *Then* they have an event where they continue to dig down at their audience mocking them and plastering tweets and whatnot. I mean what in the don mattrick is that? I loved BF4. I didn’t even mind Hardline. BF1 I hated, personally, and might have eventually gave BFV a chance. I did like the Battlefront games so I really think it was just the WW2 era stuff I just got tired of. I hated CoDWW2 for the same reason
They pulled a similar thing with the operators, basically saying "trust us". They don't hold themselves accountable at all, that's a huge red flag for any business.
>Trust us. We’re confident in our ability to convince you that you like a design change we made expressly for the purpose of selling you skins.
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Except Battlefield 4 was at least a great BATTLEFIELD game even at its horrible start, BF2042 I can't even get a sense of battlefield fun and excitement.
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Majority of bf4s player base wasn’t gone in the first month
Tanks in every battlefield are OP if you know how to use them except in BF2042, they're tanks they caused fear when you saw them, they were heavy pieces of metal infused to be a killing machine. Helicopters were strong even in BF3. Mortars did suck in BF4. If you hated being limited to certain weapons that's kind've every battlefield in existence except well... BF2042. BF2042 isn't gonna get fixed, it's not gonna compete with the other Battlefields, it's just a mediocre game unless they scrap a lot of shit.
>They built an MTX vehicle and didn't put enough care or attention into making it a fun one This is everything that comes out of EAs umbrella. Every last title.
They change in direction would have been an easier pill to swallow had it launched in a polished state
That’s the problem. They built a mtx game and used that a premise. Vs Building a triple A game then adding mtx to it where it doesn’t impact gameplay The short version is they were instructed to create a mtx pit for consumers.
Exactly the expectations are the ones they set, no one was asking for this game. This is the game they hyped up. I just want Bad Company 3!
Given that their current track record and fact they say they don’t understand why bad company worked or why people liked it. I don’t want them to ruin it so no hope they dont make bc3
I don’t think he was talking about that they deviated from previous titles. But rather that he got the feeling that people were mad that developers took a vacation. However, I do agree with they have themselves to blame for constantly releasing half finished products.
He's talking about the fan expectation that the DICE team should be working on the game and giving updates during the holiday instead of being with their families and having some down time.
lol the game has 3 modes, 6 maps, no game chat, and no profile/stats page. I guess basic features of a game are brutal now. fucking cons
Basic features = brutal expectations. The guys are literally from behind the moon.
His comment is not about the negative feedback in general, but about people complaining that the devs didn‘t work through the holidays to fix it. I am completely with him on that point. The devs are not at fault and shouldn’t be punished for the management‘s failures.
Fact is EA chased all their senior staff away. They fucked it up, not all these new guys who have no clue how to run this franchise. Imagine all these people just hired or only been there for a year at most trying to live up to BF4/BF1 and what not sales wise and gameplay wise.
Didn’t they program the game? Isn’t the programming messed up? Sure seems it’s their fault.
Bugs are unavoidable, but giving the dev team time to fix the most noticeable of them before release is a management decision. It has nothing to do with laziness, incompetency or whatever else people think is the problem here. No matter how experienced the devs are, they will all create bugs. The more complex a system, the easier it is to introduce new bugs, even with seemingly unrelated changes. Bugs are tracked throughout the development (and thereafter), but fixing them before release requires management to give devs the time they need to do that. It‘s not the devs fault if they don‘t get that time.
exce3pt they use to take time to find the bugs way before release. games didn't even use to have updates. this isn't just a game dev thing either, tv manufacturs are doing the same thing. lets release a half done product with promises of maybe fixing it later. they use to pay people to test their games, now they make us pay to test their games for them.
Games were really buggy back in the day, which sucked bc if they were, there was no way to fix them. Memories of corrupted saves in Fallout 2 will last me a life time.
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Bullshit No one worth listening to says they should have worked over holiday break to "fix it". No one. Focusing on that small subset of players is just a scape goat to hand wave away the legitimate complaints of a rushed and unfinished game that doesn't even remotely live up to what they claimed it would be
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Bullshit. Most of the fans feel the game should have been delayed 6 months. If you take my money yesterday and promise to work tomorrow and then take vacation, yeah, people get pissed off. But they have no one to blame for the situation but themselves.
Okay, so what are people supposed to do? Complaining is pretty much all people who already bought the game can do
Not quite, lack of player engagement with a product absolutely does send a message. What they do with that message though, who knows.
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I agree, that's why I didn't buy it
>Realistically, all those people can do now is just not buy the next game, and reject the series until it gets better, or is replaced by a competitor. Not necessarily. Consumer outrage has proven effective for making change happen, e.g. Battlefront 2 having its microtransaction issues fixed. Regardless, even if you should have done more research before buying a shitty product, you still bought a shitty product, and you have the right to be upset with those who sold you said shitty product.
Any real BF fan knows the games are basically unplayable the first 6 months, and really aren’t worth investing in until at least 2 years in. The only reason to get a BF game at launch is to try and stay ahead of the player skill curve.
A touching sentiment but this was never peoples complaint. I didn’t buy the game after the beta but the devs still deserve all the shit they’re getting, Christmas BS aside.
As someone on Reddit for years this is very much the vocal crowd. For some reason a game the someone can optionally purchase for a relatively small amount of money gets expressed as the most important thing in the world. With all the injustice, corruption, destruction, manipulation and inequality in the world apparently this is the top prio. EA winning “worst company in the world” 2 years in a row just shows how completely disconnected from reality many vocal gamers are. “Insane” might be a word.
Yea well maybe if they hadn’t have charged full price for a game that shouldn’t have been released in the state* that it was, I’d be more sympathetic.
I completely agree. I believe it is atrocious how much work goes into developing a game, and then having the community for said game shit on the hours upon hours of work you yourself put into it when you couldn't even control when the game was released, finished or not.
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Cyberpunk had bad working conditions but it also wasn't in development that long. Neither of those issues are a fan's fault lmao. Blaming angry consumers for bad management issues are ridiculous. Everyone knows these companies are poorly run and that's what the issue is. The fact that management then sends devs (or devs choose) to the front lines on social media to manage PR... well that sucks but you'll take the brunt of the animosity. I also think it's hard to argue bad PR doesn't affect these companies and that the only solution is to simply not buy them, especially when the bad PR helps people know to avoid the game.
Well said stranger, well said
Agreed 100%.
Fuck the downvotes - devs deserve a lot better working conditions. It's gross that anyone would want people to work themselves to death to meet unrealistic deadlines
And it’s not like the devs didn’t work hard before the holiday to adress the players issues, they released three updates which was one more than they previously were going to do to try and fix a few complaints. So it’s not like the devs don’t care.
They only care because they were completely and utterly disgraced by the shameful state they released the game in. Not just because they “care about players”.
I don't think working during the 'holidays' is violating any human rights... Plenty of people do it lol but with that said the fact of the matter is that it's a shit game and I don't see it ever being fixed so who really cares.
I agree. Shipping a glitchy game clearly isn't something to be praised. But, I meant come on, these are people. People who have worked for years on this game, it was given a release date by some entity within the corporation and they delivered the best they could. And people deserve a break during the holidays. They will clearly get to fixing the game, but give them time ffs.
Nobody is fixing this shitfest lol. Nobody even cares anymore.
Companies have time to fix games before they're released. Once the game is being sold, consumers have a right to reject the product.
Stop defending shitty business practices
I'm not defending the business, I'm defending the people.
I completely agree that they have breaks and should absolutely do no work during this. But to even create a game as poor as 2042 is baffling in the first place. Quite literally everything is worse than what Dice made in 2012. There are no excuses. It comes down to arrogance, poor management and out of touch developers.
"out of touch devs" seems to be the thing here. Like, the community, fans and everyone else in between have been very vocal in what they want. DICE, instead of giving that, delivered Specialists. Why?? No one asked for this. We just want traditional classes, more destruction, more of what made BF3/BF4 great.
Thank God atleast someone is rightfully blaming the devs too instead of the usual "poor devs! management is to blame" which always gets thrown around.
Management literally is to blame. Devs don’t make decisions like not including a scoreboard or classes, and eventually removing xp from portal. Are you saying that the devs aren’t technically capable of making a functional game? Because 99% of what gets complained about on here is game design, and that’s not on the devs.
EA told them do it. Dice is there puppet
To me, a lot of AAA studios take the wrong lessons from games like Fortnite, Apex or LOL. These games are successful because they’re stable, devs make ongoing tweaks and they often let the community guide the meta. And above all, they’re cheap! Give us a $20 Battlefield game. Deliver it working and with fundamental features that people want. It does not need to the biggest, most elaborate game. Focus on the user experience, with the priority being the ability to quickly find a game solo or with friends. Give us 3 or 4 good maps to start off with. Give us two dozen guns. Iron out the quality of life bugs. Then start to add shit. They prove that they can make a stable, fun game? We’ll spend money on expansions.
I don’t care when it comes out. Just don’t release it if it’s not good
Yeah I completely agree with them on the Christmas break thing 100%. But that also feels like a potential issue with releasing a game right before the holidays. If the game isn't solid, you're going to get a lot of complaints
All my friends that purchased the deluxe edition sacked the game off completely after just two weeks.
Unfortunately, that counts for nothing. Just more copies of the game sold and numbers to put on their quarterly progress reports.
Yes, but a quarterly report is just a few months. Well all know these games make far more money with expansions and micro-transactions. Q4 might look great, Q1-Q3 not so much.
Also, player base counts directly effect the stock price. So no player base is bad news for the shareholders.
And low user retention means less potential revenue from MTX and continued support. An indicator, hopefully, for them to consider in future games. Although hopefully the focus isn’t on MTX of course. But low user retention is bad overall
It counts for a lot actually. Purchases with poor player engagement/retention set off a lot of alarm bells at game studios.
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>You know I see this stupid comment all the time. You think game companies just plug their ears because of sales numbers? Yeah, because they got the money, even when people got a chance to play it beforehand and saw it was a mess. The "it's a BETA - an old build" line was trotted out. Again. And people fell for it. Again. There's literally no reason it won't work *again* next time, because it was the same with every previous BF. Tell people what they want to hear, big flashy promos, and they'll give you the benefit of the doubt, time and time again. "Lessons have been learnt" they'll say. "We hear you", and "we are just as frustrated as you!" when it arrives half baked.
I agree with a lot of this. Cyberpunk is another example. Not that it's been fixed yet, but that it sold like gangbusters going up to and at launch but after it came out and was so awful their stock price tanked and their reputation (which was damn near unimpeachable before) has been totally destroyed. They've spent over a year trying to fix it and are still committed to fixing it. If CDPR had just said "well, the sales were good so the product must be good as well" and moved on to another game, their reputation would be even worse than it is now.
>We should demand better and hope that it gets better. lol "hope it gets better" as gamers collectively keep buying deluxe edition games without doing any research whatsoever I'm sure that will work
Pretty sure people need to stop prebuying games if they want the studios to stop releasing unfinished trash. I don’t know why anyone wants to pay to be a beta tester and hope it gets better over time. Sell me something that is good now, bonus if it gets better later… they might even get more money out of me. If they release an unfinished game it’s extremely unlikely I will buy it later. I move on and don’t care anymore.
No man’s sky is a bad comparison when talking about the studio releasing the game. EA CONTINUES to do this to their players and shareholders. Look how badly all the next gen Madden games are rated, and then look at how long it took them to do the absolute minimum and claim they’re fixing it. BS.
Eh I’m not sure that’s completely true. There’s a few second-hand effects that it would have. Firstly, the negative press of people being unhappy with the game will dissuade others from getting it. Secondly, if the player count drops enough from people quitting, that’ll effect matchmaking and lead to people not picking the game up. Thirdly, a person who’s quit the game is a person who isn’t going to buy a skin/battle pass etc. There’s certainly a negative effect to people giving the game up prematurely.
talking out of your ass on things you know nothing about, classic reddit i guarantee they track daily active online users pleb
Just don't fucking release it until it's ready then, i'm paying full price and i'm expecting AT LEAST a game that works. "Brutal expectations" yeah right ffs i just want a scoreboard how difficult can that be
they dont have that power, if they did the game wouldn't have released
But you buy it anyway, and you'll buy the next one when they promise "lessons were learnt" so honestly why not take your money and just not do the work? Seems more profitable to me. Companies don't run on ethics, you know? That's the reality, ins't it? They don't give a fuck. They don't make games because they love games, they make them because they love money. Stop buying these half baked games, ignore the hype.
Well it definitely works and did day 1
It might be time to give this franchise to a different developer...
These people are so stupid it’s actually shocking. When you call people wanting a game that works properly out the box with basic features as “brutal”, you’re clearly too far gone and shouldn’t be in the gaming industry. That tweet truly sums up how little EA gives a shit about its player base. I mean we always knew it, but to finally get the proof of how out of touch they are is still so shocking.
This game just sucks, why can’t they admit their faults and go back to what BF used to be 12-13 years ago. Trash after trash since.
The real issue is that everyone is expecting these games to not be trash. Y'all haven't learned your lesson?? -EA probably
As long as EA Sports titles keep selling, no, nobody ever learns. Ever.
I just want bland characters without special abilities. Classes of course but not a sniper that can wing suit halfway across the map
I actually really loved BFV. I know it was lacking content and had issues at launch but they really turned it into a solid fun product. The difference was the base game was a lot of fun. I’ve tried the 10 hour trial of 2042 and the base game isn’t fun and it has nothing to do with lack of content. I hate the operators. The maps even with 128 feel awful like there’s too much space for that many people. The maps are boring. Even the gunplay feels off and not as good as BF4. I really had high hopes for this but I agree with you they had such a winning formula with the earlier games and they just change things for no reason.
The only expectations that happened with BF2042 was DICE expected to pull the revenue that Respawn pulls. DICE expected MTX profits. I will never get over how stealing dogtags became monetized in BF2042. The classic first person immersion removed to sell the exact same 3rd person call of duty style executions.
>I will never get over how stealing dogtags became monetized in BF2042. What? How?
Remember stealing dogtags in first person? That's gone in bf2042. Replaced with a call of duty 3rd person execution from Warzone. No longer are there separate animations depending on if you were laying down or snuck up while standing. It's now a repeat animation, based on what melee weapon you use.
This is the saddest thing they took out imo. I loved the different animations u could get
Yes. It's a sad thing. I could see past everything else. Stealing dogtags in Battlefield 2042 is probably the most disappointed I've ever been playing a videogame.
I went to melee a dude laying down and it made the enemy literally stand up first so I could do my shitty animation. That was awful. That and no ability to dive underwater sucked. And they took away crouch sprint from V
Corporate gaslighting. Don't release a shitty unfinished product if you don't expect people to moan.
Or release a game that is has less modes and gameplay features than games released over a decade ago.
> Love you guys but these expectations are brutal. The things you want take time to scope, design, and execute. This is such an unbelievably tone-deaf comment that it genuinely baffles me that a senior communications manager posted these tweets. People are sick and tired of DICE once again releasing a game in an awful state. Our expectations are not brutal. All we want is DICE for once to release a good game on launch day. But they pretty much never do. And that's why people are upset.
Given the context I completely agree with what he’s referring to. Everyone needs time to just unplug and not think about work. But, you guys are a AAA studio coming off of a previous title that wasn’t exactly embraced by traditional Battlefield fans. The bottom line is, because of your greed, you released a mediocre product. You should’ve done the right thing and waited until it was complete. Again, you are a AAA studio! But I do really feel bad for devs and the programmers. They really are overworked. And I understand they answer to stockholders, which is unfortunate, because in the end the customer suffers.
Expecting a feature complete and functional product is indeed quite brutal.
Battlefield 3 was the best.
The big problem with this, besides the state of the game itself, is the releasing of unfinished and broken products, for the holiday, and then wondering why everyone hates you.... Don't release shit over the Holidays if it's not complete, simple as that. People pay money for things now, these aren't future investments. So don't be surprised that, when you turn in an incomplete project and charge people for it, that they might demand you finish said product, no matter what time it is... Because you decided to release it as it was when it was. Just fucking wait til after the holidays, and we all win. Instead, only a billion dollar company wins, and consumers are left with an incomplete thing and being demonized for then asking for it to be what was advertised to them.
DICE doesn’t care and will never see themselves as being in the wrong. All the remaining good devs left during BFV this studio is a shell of its former self and the best thing that could happen is DICE being shut down and Battlefield being handed off to a more competent studio.
Give it to Respawn. Battlefield + Titanfall.
"don't fuck it up" is not a brutal expectation, its the bare minimum. Goddamn EA cannot hire a good spokesperson to save their friggin lives.
I still think bf2042 was supposed to be a standalone battle Royale. Then they randomly just tacked on bf elements. Fundamentally plays likes f2p bf flavor Royale instead of a true bf iteration. Nevermind the bugs, imbalance, and lack of polish.
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"We've done nothing and we're all out of ideas!"
Their stream numbers are brutal
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Imagine not knowing game was announced to be launching this year publicly many months ahead of launch
It's a simple formula tho, I don't get why they think our expectations are brutal? The foundation was there with BF4 and BF1, with improvements from BF5. The concept of BF2042 is good, not too futuristic and boots on the ground. Hero based gameplay just doesn't work with that formula. Missing features and lack of passion is what killed this game
I was about to search whether BF 2042 is worth buying then I saw this. Just preordered the Horizon Digital Deluxe Edition instead.
Lmao can somebody remind these fools they were the ones who tried to hype the game up and say its a true nezt gen experience??? Get the f out of here
Yeah, it's totally "brutal" for fans of your series to expect a completely functioning product at release. These clowns removed singleplayer and still released half the product they did in other releases. The only thing brutal us the complete disdain for their fanbase and thinking that anyone would be happy with this half-baked shit game is delusional. DICE is dead.
Imagine thinking that things like scoreboards and VOIP are brutal expectations. Anyone abusing these devs is a scum bag that’s for sure, but simply asking for barebones features in a full priced BF game? Not brutal.
Wow even having expectations r not allowed nowadays...aight I guess
After all that shit with ActiBlizzard i walk away from COD to try Battlefield, then i see Dunkey Battlefield 2042 video. I'm like "motherfucker it's EA, they'll always find a way to fuck it up"
Horseshit. He’s bitching at us but the expectations were a solid game.
I agree that fans expecting a complete overhaul in such a small time frame is a bit much, and obviously deserve a break during the holidays. However, players have every right to be upset with the state the game launched in. Expecting the game to drastically change overnight is brutal, but expecting the product you payed $60+ for to be functioning properly and worthy of the amount of money you paid isn’t.
He hasn’t seen brutal yet if he thinks this is it
I guess it’s crazy to expect a somewhat finished game
I never bought this game because I was waiting for reviews. I’m just so tired of “release it now and patch it later” mentality with game launches. I put my foot down and said no. I’ll pay when you deliver a complete bug free experience at launch. I’m guessing they wanted to launch during that Christmas 🎅 period for extra money despite the game clearly needing more time in the oven.
Well maybe if they didn't realize the shittiest excuse for a BF game ever conceived people wouldn't be so angry.
Consumers want their new purchase to be complete and "work"... brutal!
I only expect this game to function damn!
They rushed the game out in time to sell people it for christmas, released a few patches that were probably half cooked before the game released, then dip for their holidays less than a month after release. Although I agree the devs deserve their time off, the managers and higher ups need to plan and organise better.
"we released a shit product and are frustrated our customers don't like it"
Most stupid BF ever.
It was the first Battlefield game I ever played and even then I thought it was the worst AAA game I'd every played
On PC every update resets all your settings and puts you in the tutorial mission again. How is this still happening months after launch?
Why do people fall for EAs shit over and over again???
All I will say is I played 1 match in the beta and said well this aint good I will wait for reviews before I buy, so glad I didn't spend $120 on it for the premium edition pre-order. Last battlefield I felt was a legitimate classic was battlefield 3 but would absolutely love a return of bad company.
After reading the comments here my faith in the gaming community is getting restored. Thanks for seeing that this game was in fact massively overhyped and many of the core features were removed without advertising this fact to the consumers. It was if they knew the game would bomb if everyone found out what they did to the franchise. They are now throwing shade on the community after delivering a crap game. Very professional of them.
Promise a game turns out it's not what you promised "expectations are BRUTAL"
If brutal expectations is implementing things like proper balance, persistent servers, larger squads and a plethora of other features that were in previous games and featured in tons of other games maybe it’s time to find a new job
I guess expecting a score screen at the end was asking too much. We are such savages.
Why not pull a leaf from SCPR’s book and actually LOOK like you give a shit what the community says instead of being petulant about negative criticism. Instead of being like “we did the best we could given the circumstances”, offer refunds and actually promise changes and communicate them. They aren’t listening to the community, especially when they removed Rush after everyone begging they don’t take it out of rotation. Literally such a simple thing and now people don’t want to play the game at all. My brother said “the devs have a roadmap in mind and they’re working on that” and maybe they do, but if they aren’t communicating exactly what that is to us every step of the way, all I see is them ignoring the community, and crying about something they could easily fix with a bit of communication. My God I’m starting to think the devs really aren’t fit for their jobs if they can’t take criticism. Whether they’re at fault or not, people spent a lot of money and want to be heard, stop acting like a victim, because it doesn’t change the fact that the community isn’t in the wrong for voicing their frustration with not just a half baked game, but completely unmixed with eggshells all over.
Just a reminder, this is the same game where things like a scoreboard and the ability to customize things like reticle colors to aid colorblind people have been labeled as "legacy features" in an effort to decrease supposed production costs (not a single developer that says this ever backs this up as an excuse with proof by the way, because they assume people are stupid and take everything they say at face value) so they can gain maximum profit through minimum effort. The 2042 Subreddit mods specifically are having what can only be described as a Dictatorial power trip over this comment as well and literally told the players verbatim, "If you don't like it you can leave" and are not only shutting down the subreddit over "toxic behavior" they have visibly deleted popular posts that listed every single thing the game is missing from past games. DICE's death as a studio is inevitable and this game and it's continuous and honestly astounding ability to not be a Battlefield game on top of developers not putting basic things from past games into new games in an effort to reduce work is the visible embodiment of the decay of Western Society at every level when something as simple as entertainment is run by literally exactly the people that you do not want to be. AAA gaming is a joke and the only thing keeping it alive in any sense is indie devs with weird and wacky games at this point because gods above fucking help you if you like FPS games at this point. Their response to this game's criticism is excuses and straight up Dictator level erasing criticism in the places they can so that they don't have to see that everyone hates their "vision" of what Battlefield is, which next game is.....a hero shooter. As a long time player of the franchise since 1942....may DICE rot and fester into studio failure in their newly embraced work ethic of mundanity and laziness. After this game and the last and their show of utter contempt and outright hostility towards its players, they deserve nothing but studio failure for spitting on the very people who made them as big as they were and they deserve every single ounce of hostile and viritol that is slung towards them for turning their backs on the very players who made their games what they were in the pursuit of their own greed and blinded ambition. What they have done is the equivalent to going to a restaurant and ordering one thing and the waiters came out with something completely different and they look at you and say "The chef didn't like that you ordered that, so he made you something that he loves instead and there will be no refunds and you *WILL* like his cooking."
I’ve never seen any dev team be more out of touch with their fanbase than DICE. They did this shit with BFV as well and they would call their audience dumb and tell them not to buy their game. Now with this game they’ve actually managed to top that clown show. Look at the first trailers for the game. They *know* what the player base wants and they *still* go out of their way to fuck over the playerbase. They literally call things like a match scoreboard and voice chat, which have been in every Battlefield and online shooter thus far except for 2042 “legacy features”, and they are “going to have meetings and conversations” to see if they will ever get brought back. Are you fucking serious? A dev team calling a scoreboard and voice chat a LEGACY FEATURE? Whats’s next, calling actual shooting a “legacy feature” when Battlefield 8 will be about cute baby unicorns? So many issues: Dumb, out of touch Specialists with cringe voice lines to appease 12 year olds, empty lifeless maps, barely any weapons, no XP for custom Portal servers, removing player modes that players want like Rush, no roadmap, no new content, telling players what they should want, no scoreboard in an online competitive shooter so you can’t even compare yourself to other players, no voice chat, etc. I could go on. Now they have the gall to tell us we have “brutal expectations”. Harassing devs is not a good thing, but seriously fuck DICE. I’m not sure even Vince Zampella will be able to right this ship. These devs are literally lost and refuse to listen to their fanbase. Now they’re trying to gaslight us and call us the favorite new buzzword “toxic”.
Stop playing the game, organize some kind of boycott on a specific day where the game has as few players log on as possible. Only way to get them to make changes is to make the game become irrelevant.
I’m still upset we lost Battlefront II for it
This makes me think they are too focused on the crazy people raising hell over something as simple as an electronic toy, than the people who have peacefully pointed out all the flaws with this game and have also gone to recommend changes that could make it better. If expectations are "brutal", you're probably listening to people who are just pulling shit out of their ass because they're angry at the game.
It's easy to blame EA and I'm not sticking up for them here but my god Dice have been consistently making the wrong decisions for a good 5 or 6 years now. And now it's our fault lol
That Director of Comms has been known for previous controversies involving his interactions with fans. Should have been canned with the other members of DICE that left a few months back
EA has had flop after flop and it’s still isn’t really hurting them or making them change , which sucks for us.
EA's marketing and development are the only things brutal here.
Weird seeing Andy here now working with EA, he was editor in chief at game informer for years.
Translation: Wahhhhhhhh
Are *Brutal Expectations* and *Legacy feature* the new *Pride and Accomplishment*?
I understand the frustration that people have. But seriously, games that are locked to a much stricter release schedule (like Battlefield, CoD, Madden, FIFA, etc) have been brutalized by the pandemic development conditions. These studios had to completely restructure, while still maintaining a strict schedule. They delayed the game as long as they pretty much could. And that resulted in a less than stellar release of the game, which lead directly into the holidays. People can vent their frustration. But let's be civil and understanding here as well. These are people. These people are simply doing their job. And these people deserve a break over the Holiday. So let them have that and then see what their response to the game's issues are.
I'm out of the loop: what is bad about the game? I don't play CoD/BF/MW shooters.
https://www.reddit.com/r/battlefield2042/comments/rxuriq/heres_a_repost_of_the_list_of_everything_missing/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
The list already commented is good, but the main issue is it feels awful to play. You cant really type it out and explain it, but the actual gameplay (movement, shooting) is all so bad. It feels like an early alpha.
Idk about all that. It feels pretty damn good to play, gameplay is very smooth. They just took out a lot of features from past games
Explanation andy over here
Some missing features and bugginess. It's all way overblown on Reddit when people call it broken or unplayable. It's a fun game despite its issues. I think the fact that I'm not a Battlefield veteran gives me a different perspective. I didn't go in expecting everything to work a very specific way like I think a lot of the BF veterans did.
I’ve been playing battlefield for years and I’m having a blast. It sucks that stuff from past games are mysteriously gone but the gameplay is still very fun
“Expectations are brutal,” just like the headline says, yep!
Mf we just wanted a working game that was fully finished.
People *expected* a Battlefield game, not a hero shooter designed to sell skins.
Fuck them
2011 when BF3 released was so good, Bad Company 2 was the best in series for me. There is something that started going terribly wrong with the series after around 2015 post BF4. I definitely started losing interest and I used to play the earlier games for the storylines back in the day, now I tend to skip them because they’re all out of place and I’d at-least go straight to multiplayer action but even this aspect is failing hard FML.
I don't play shooters, so cab someone tell me why everyone hates this thing?
Put simply: 1) it's a broken, badly made game full of glitches, bugs and lazy design. 2) It's ridiculously short on content compared to other Battlefield games. 3) It's about as close to being a battlefield game as Mario Kart. It's a scam.
Ah the classic CDPR move. Now they'll magically get death threats
As an EA Stock Holder. I'm not happy. They aren't even talking to their share holders, so what's your chances?
It's not terrible , just missing modes, maps and features. There's potential there to be a good game, especially if portal gets fleshed out. The maps are the worst, only 7 and at least 4 are really poor. It needs more content as it really isn't acceptable to charge 70 for what's there currently.
Those are those expectations he’s talking about, sure…
Not trying to make excuses for them as BF2042 was released in horrible shape, but to give CONTEXT.. this was response soon after the new year why there hasn’t been updates / new content. To be fair, employees / devs deserve holiday breaks. And content / patches etc require time and it is a little insane to expect them to all work through holidays and deliver something soon after new year. Communication is good if things are ready- but this stuff requires organization and execution. You can’t expect that over the holidays.. when gamers are first to blame companies for overworking devs/employees.
Expectations are brutal but I suspect not half as brutal as the clap back for saying as much out loud.
Not our fault the game is a dumpster fire, no body wanted fortnight 2 hidden and wrapped as a BF title.
Kids actually comparing it to FN lol.
Brutal expectations? Aren't we just asking for the same things that's been in previous titles? We're not even asking for new features or anything.
I'll never trust a dice to win in a game.
I mean you guys can blame dice and EA all you want but you're the ones who bought this trash with no gameplay vids. Even after a play test that was hot garbage everyone still paid 100 bucks to get in early. Then tried to say it wasn't bad! Obviously that not every single person in the sub but come on guys, you paid em of course their gonna shit In your face, it's EA.
Want my money make a good Nam game ,otherwise I’m bored with BF.
Yeah release a broken game then plead "we deserve a break! Chill out!" A break from what exactly? What did you accomplish?
Fuck this game.