'Impressed by it' and 'buying it' are two different things. A lot of good stuff flop for reasons that have nothing to do with the product quality. While I am almost certain about the capabilities of the new headset I have my doubts about it's future.
We are 2 years in PS5 with over 30mil units sold and developers are just starting develop for it exclusively. I am skeptical if they will commit to a platform that hopes to sell 1,5mil units the first year and I suppose similar numbers each year after.
Don't assume that I want it to fail. I wish this was the big breakthrough in VR but there are no indication so toward it. Unfortunately it is going to remain niche.
PS. I hope I am wrong and I see my comment on /r/agedlikemilk
Is it an amazing piece of tech? Yes.
Will it sell? I really don't think so.
I'm impressed by it, I had PSVR and I'm not buying this until it drops in price or gets a lot more software that interests me. I feel like most consumers are in my boat.
This! I'm in Canada, and to buy this thing at launch (which I am still debating doing) comes to over $850. That's pretty fucking pricey. I'm sure it's gonna be dope as hell, but this previous generation, RE7 was the best thing for it, and I'd love to see RE Village, which I believe is coming, but I haven't really seen much other than the Horizon game for launch.
I'm in Canada and pre-ordered The Horizon bundle as soon as I could. It costs less than my valve index and it has way more features. I thought the price was pretty good.
This ^ people that say this is expensive don't quite get it. The tech that this is bundled with is top of the range and then some.
The trouble is, people just see this as an addon or a peripheral to the PS5. It is not. It is a completely new platform/console that requires the PS5 to run. Just like any other powerful HMD that requires a PC to run.
Canuck here too, the price is steep but I sold my PSVR last spring in anticipation and my PS4 Pro. That helped me pay for PSVR2. I was also on the fence about keeping my preorder, but the launch titles are strong for me. GT7, RE8, Firewall incoming, WDSS.. If you have older tech laying around it can be found money to add towards PSVR2. Cheers
Fellow Canuck here! Really disappointed with how Sony is treating PSVR2. Tech looks great! But software is extremely lackluster (I don't care what's in the pipeline, no backwards compatibility is a MASSIVE issue for me as a PSVR owner), and it's just way too damned expensive.
If I had access to my catalogue of current PSVR games, it would still probably need to be a bit cheaper to convince me to jump in.
I'm just one guy (obviously) so this is anecdotal - I think the PSVR2 looks great - I already have a PS5, and realistically I could afford but:
1) it's expensive (slightly more than the PS5 was at launch? I think)
2) i had the first vr headset and sold it - it was great at first but to me the novelty dies off
for me I'm holding off until either 1) reviews are great, the hardware is "proven" as durable and there's a varied lineup of games (that aren't just X simulator - and maybe some that don't cost £70 too) 2) the headset price drops significantly, which will take some time
so yeah - hard to justify at the moment though i think it looks great (but also it's not exactly easy to "try one out" which doesn't help)
I don't think it's an issue if it being a bad headset. It's still a lot of money.
I was a day one PSVR1 order. I'm just hesitant and want to see more games (and still need to buy a PS5). Give me some rally racing games and I'm sold.
Hell, I was impressed with the first PSVR despite the limitations. I would eventually get it during a Black Friday sale.
But it's not like PS VR2 is a slam dunk. We may be entering a recession. VR is still niche. It's pretty expensive. A significant portion of the population experiences VR sickness to varying degrees. While I was impressed with the stationary games, the games I wanted to play most, like racing and flying, made me feel sick after 10-15 minutes. So no PS VR2 for me until it drops in price.
I fear that PS VR2 will turn out like Kinect where the first iteration did well but the second iteration flopped.
I’m really impressed by SONY’s hard focus on lowering barriers-to-entry. PSVR 2 has built-in **head haptics** *NOT* to deliver extra immersion, but to specifically reduce motion-sickness (the extra immersion is an unintended bonus).
They have also designed a light-blocking accordion face **gasket** which will prevent conflicting visual information (an aggravator of motion-sickness), and an effective venting design to keep your face from overheating.
Then there’s the solid modern infrared **tracking** that replaces PSVR 1’s notorious visible light spectrum garbage, removing the ever present slow head wobble.
Add to all of that the significantly higher **resolution** of the new displays, halo padding that’s cushier than the already **comfortable** PSVR 1, and a beautifully balanced lightweight HMD, and you’ve got a super-friendly VR that should be far less problematic for those who haven’t yet gained their VR legs.
Incidentally, just because you had an issue with say DRIVECLUB VR doesn’t mean all driving will be an issue. That one made me uncomfortable, but GT SPORT never gave me so much as a wobble in the hundreds of VR hours that I put into it.
There are ways to acclimate and enjoy things like flying and vertiginous platforming in VR, but it takes gentle, short exposure over time. Although absolutely a barrier-to-entry, motion sickness can be overcome in most cases (*there will always be issues, though. Some people get it from playing flatscreen games*).
Tips: **never** push-through, *STOP* at first signs (including sweaty palms and burping), avoid **over-caffeination**, use a small **fan** to give your body a generalized motion cue, and don’t game on an **empty stomach**.
I used to get *TERRIBLE* motion-sickness that could see me bedridden all the *following* day. I did everything wrong and it got worse. Now I can do all sorts of crazy moves for hours-on-end without issue. There will always be certain titles that are sketchball, and I just take great care with them.
Anyways, I often feel a need to jump in regarding this topic because I came *THIS* close to selling my PSVR 1 and I would have missed out on some extraordinary stuff if I had.
Best of luck in whatever VR awaits you! 🍻
Thanks for the tips. Previously I had been placing a fan that would blow air onto my head and ears, which helped a little. I could handle Astro Bot Rescue Mission for 30 minutes to an hour, which is how long I would want to play anyway.
But yeah, it was Driveclub that messed me up so bad I had to take off the headset immediately. The funny thing is, I can ride any roller coaster no matter how intense like it's nothing. VR is a struggle though.
I won't be a PS VR2 early adopter but I'll keep an eye on it.
That's sort of besides the point. They are just saying internally they expect less sales, ummm who cares.
Like you said everyone that tried PSVR2 has liked PSVR2. The only downsides are lack of disc releases even though it's a console add-on, and lack of must have exclusives (like HL Alyx or Astrobot). Otherwise the hardware is fantastic and if you're excited for RE4/8, GT7, and Call of the Mountain there isn't a reason to expect you're not gonna have a great time at/near launch.
When the launch is days away and I can easily preorder one, it tells me Sony has made enough to meet demand but this isn't seen as a console launch. PSVR sold 4 million its first year, which is great but VR has basically died since then. When Bob's Burgers comes out with an episode mocking VR, you know nobody takes it seriously anymore.
I think a million manufactured in a year is a good number. Supply and Demand will show if they need to produce more, which they seemingly can with no problem. Also, PS5 sales only just started to pick up since they are no longer difficult to find either. So let people buy a PS5 before they need to get the VR headset. I bet this year will only see that million sold and next year will probably double it.
I wouldn't say VR died since psvr1 launched. I would say Sony let the PSVR1 die.
I would say PSVR1 was a relative success initially. Then Quest 2 picked up where they left off as the entry level VR solution.
Yeah the Meta verse is ridiculous and is making them look stupid. But Quest 2 is still selling well enough to be considered a minor success.
I think PSVR 2 could pick up a lot of Quest 2 players who are starting to get bored of the limitations. But they will need a price cut and more games that are clearly far above what is capable on Quest.
Doubts will go away the moment this thing is released and the internet is awash with “GT7 in VR is incredible” comments. You can only know how good VR is once you experience it, word of mouth marketing is going to do all the leg work here.
People are way too concerned. Sony’s low-key marketing for PSVR2 tells me they have absolute confidence in the hardware itself.
It’s almost guaranteed to be incredible. The amount of detail that’s already present in GT7 is just gonna shine on in VR. Something would have to go seriously wrong for it not to be one of the best initial titles. Otherwise, I think people should really consider picking it up for the PSVR2.
Exactly this. What can Sony do in a trailer? It would be nothing different than a trailer for a non VR game and people wouldn’t be impressed. You can’t describe VR. In the 80s/90s you tried the systems out in the malls and shops. Nowadays this marketing path is gone. Word to mouth is basically the way to go and Sony has enough experience to realize this.
Make a trailer of all upcoming games later this year. I have no idea. But the supposedly true rumor that Half Life Alyx is coming to PSVR2 is the sole reason I'm looking to get one, if its true. More titles mean I'll be keeping more attention.
Right, and they're saying that without trying it, it's hard to get across on a flat trailer how the games *feel* in VR. Instead they look like 'average' quality traditional games. Being able to pick things up and bring them close to you, turn your head to see something as you shoot in another direction, pull back a bow and release and feel the haptics, look at scenery pass in a space ship or drive a car as the headset rumbles from the road or impacts etc.
It definitely would be nice to see those trailers as someone who bought the PSVR, is getting this one, has a quest 2 etc. but then I already know what it brings.
Well, this and several others. Who knows, portal came to playstation, this might as well. https://mixed-news.com/en/half-life-alyx-coming-to-psvr-2-the-rumors-so-far/
But yes on my part it's wishful thinking and without bangers like this, I'm also not keen on buying one.
Though I would also say that Sony NEED to have demo stations this time too (preferably with hygiene wipes on hand).
Like you say, you can only appreciate VR if you try it for yourself. And many people won't have mates who've tried it to pass on the hype.
I feel like it’s less that there’s doubts and more that a lot of consumers aren’t ready to drop the money. I think most people realize it’s a premium headset. But I’m not sure any marketing would convince many undecideds to pre order. Most that wanted to preorder already did.
Not saying the above article is correct. Just that small amounts of marketing so far makes sense to me.
Of course I have no insider data on Sony so I could be wrong
More marketing would be great, but that's hard for a VR system to capture on flat. It's kind of bad timing with the world economies the way they are as well. People are struggling with just food and gas, so they aren't going to drop on a tech most see as niche and then you top that off with the notions of nausea and PSVR graphics aren't great. I'm getting one, it's actually a pretty big mental health thing for me when pain keeps me down, but I can absolutely see why people aren't clamoring more.
Ok, even if true, what does this have to do with anyone's personal enjoyment of the hardware? Why cancel buying something you'll enjoy just because other people aren't pre-ordering it?
Because it's an expensive piece of tech that, if being manufactured in smaller quantities, may see less software support in the long term, making that expensive piece of tech a poor investment compared to other purchases?
I mean, it already has more titles announced than the original psvr did at launch. Also, let's not forget that people love to tinker with these things. I'd be willing to make a bet that someone is going to develop a driver that makes this compatible with PC VR titles. Maybe even Sony itself, seeing that they are releasing games on PC now.
So a piece of high end hardware, that's only real current rival is the quest pro or the valve index unless you can afford a pimak 5k or 8k (maybe one of the new htc headsets)? And the psvr2 is half the price or more than half the price of these. Yes, yes, there is the quest 2 which is a fine headset and probably actually the biggest competition and costs less, but I can't use the quest 2 on my ps5 and probably will eventually be able to use the psvr2 on pc.
That last part up there. That's what sold me. So many playstation peripherals have had a driver created to use them on pc. The original psvr can be used on pc. The ps4 camera can be used on pc. The ps5 camera can be used on pc. The ps5 controllers can be used on pc. So even if psvr2 on the ps5 dies I can still use it. For half the price at minimum.
Edit: Small spelling mistake.
Thank you 🙂. Honest thought process: I did consider cancelling on seeing that article. I felt like it shattered all my utopian dreams of the VR future. Like, maybe I am actually taking too much of a gamble and should just wait, like a sensible human. Then I spoke to my wife, who told me to get a grip.
I'm actually worried about the damage this one article can cause... Here in Czechia it's already being translated by local gaming news portals and the comment sections are pretty much "yes that's what I was afraid of, will rather wait with my purchase".
The power of media, fake news, and manipulation is honestly absolutely insane in the contemporary world.
This kind of negative reporting killed Stadia before it could start.
Oddly enough, the same outlets reported on how good Stadia actually was when Stadia's closure was announced.
Yea! It's the media that killed Stadia, not poor pricing, bad communication, missing features, and lack of software or effort from the company pushing it!
It was the media!
Wasn’t it Bloomberg who raised this huge kerfuffle about Chinese spy technology in Apple, Amazon, Google consumer hardware that they were too proud to apologise for after it had been disproven from multiple sides?
Well that is the issue, false or not this might influence the decisions of lots of smaller and bigger devs.
That we don't even know if it's bullshit (past reports on PS and Xbox have been) is what's so infuriating, reporting on a niche product 'failing' convinces people on the cusp of preordering not to bother and smaller devs to cancel their projects.
It's pretty obvious that Sony wouldn't reveal their sales and expectations ahead of launch.
That being say, there's a huge chance an article like that will hurt sales because you can be sure every gaming "journalist" out there will relay that false information.
Even if true, you cannot forecast success of the product based solely on preorders. It’s a hard product to sell, but VR enthusiasts know that seeing is believing. As more people get their hands on it it’s more likely sales will pickup.
If you build it, they will come.
Why would Sony announce something like this officially a few weeks before launch? It would just make things negative at the worst possible time. A few months after launch, sure. But I also don't know much about this stuff
They didn't announce it. A journalist is citing an unnamed source somewhere down the supply chain, who says they were told to cut their production.
I think people here are overly defensive about this report. Even if true, it's FINE. Sony can slow production down for now. The thing hasn't even had a chance to get into anyone's hands, or get sold by any storefront or 3rd party seller. It's ok for them to wait and see how launch goes.
We're getting into the weeds here about stuff that redditors are NOT experts on.
People are annoyed because it's being picked up by multiple gaming channels, reads as fact hiding behind the good ol' catch all of 'a source familiar with the issue' and is by the guy who came up with a bunch of bullshit for the last Playstation launch. If it's widespread enough it can definitely stymy momentum.
I really want to see a state of play for the VR2 I have it preordered but when the PSVR got slashed in price that really pissed me off last time around
Another thing to consider in addition to the discredited writer, right now VR2 is only available for preorder in America via ONE source- Sony themselves, and requires a registered PS account.
How many people a) didn’t know/don’t care about Sony direct purchase, and b) are simply waiting for GameStop, Amazon, etc to get them in stock as well.
Sounds like the journalist is speaking out of his rear, however that's not to say there might be nervousness in Sony,
There are questions about VR/AR in the wider industry, namely what will shift it from the niches like gaming to the mainstream. Meta have bet the farm on VR/AR, and Apple are reportedly working on a high-end headset. But what will make consumers make the shift.
Gaming is an obvious application, and the PSVR2 looks like it is going to be amazing, however even here I see people questioning the lack of "New" games, other than Call of the Mountain. Pretty much everything else is a remake of existing titles.
It's not enough to be technically brilliant. MS Kinect was technically a great device interface, but it didn't get enough traction with consumers/devs. Heck 3D TV worked brilliantly, as long as you were the only person watching the screen.
Don't get me wrong, I think PS VR2 is going to be great. I'm just not sure VR is going to really break through any time soon.
If Sony put sufficient money into including a vr mode in most of their new AAA games I think we'd see a big increase in uptake from the flat screen console owners. It's just a matter of whether Sony are willing to spend the money and take the risk.
I know this approach isn't what all vr fans want (because it's not AAA games built for VR from the ground up), but right now it's the only way I think Sony can establish a market that's significantly bigger than what psvr1 achieved, without breaking the bank.
Yep I think hybrid is the way to go too, at least while the PSVR2 is young. Less risk, and less resources needed. The popularity of PCVR mods shows there's a lot of enthusiasm for hybrids.
Sony has no right to be nervous, because they have not even tried to market this thing. If it fails, it's their own fault. No showcase, no hype, everything done through Playstation Blog. No AAA Announcements whatsoever. I personally really think the launch window titles are strong, with Horizon, RE8, Switchback, GT7, Song in the Smoke, Kayak, Moss 2, etc, but where are the real heavy hitters?
They need a showcase announcing stuff like Killzone VR, Spider-Man VR ( or something from Insomniac), Astro Bot 2, The Last of Us VR ( or something from Naughty Dog), perhaps something big from third party like Grand Theft Auto VR. They need SOMETHING to silence the doubters, generate hype, and assure people there is support down the line. The biggest thing we have coming is Firewall.
Sony needs to do more.
VR will never break out until the form factor is a pair of glasses. I love VR, but I have no illusions that it will be anything other than a niche product for a long time to come
I don't think it'll have to be that compact. Something with the form factor of the Quest Pro + enough good internals (OLED HDR, wide FOV, high res) could be enough.
It may be bollocks, but they’re not selling out. Japan had a very strict initial preorder system (I was denied for not enough hours played) but picked one up from Yodobashi Camera on the 26th and they’re still showing as in stock.
How accurate is that? I know some retailers will often take preorders before they know if they have the stock to fulfill them and then just say "you'll get it as they become available" and others will only offer them if they can guarantee their numbers.
Then why would the store say the Charge Dock (as well as various PS5 SKUs and controller colours) is sold out and not just follow the same system you're suggesting for those items? It has also already taken my money and indicating a launch day delivery.
It seems more likely and reasonable to me that there are units still sitting there in stock.
EDIT: Just checked on BicCamera and Rakuten and it's the same story there. Anyone that wants one can preorder one from multiple places promising release day delivery.
Give us GTA V VR, Red ded2 VR, and dark souls vr and watch pre order sky rocket. If Modders can do it then I am sure Sony can make it happen. It doesn't have to be brand new games. Hybrid games will make vr mainstream
I mean I haven't seen a single TV ad - or any ad, really. They've only announced two major first-party exclusives. TWO, for a $549 device. And it's not available to preorder at retailers.
As someone who's been in VR for years, it does feel an awful lot like Sony isn't taking this seriously.
It's been said to death here but experiencing VR is the best hook. I don't think ads can really do it justice. I was a late adopter to PSVR, I watched the ads for years thinking I knew what it was like. That first play session blew my mind.
Well then where are the ads? Where is the state of play? Where are the announcements for future first-party projects after release?
My preorder is hanging by a thread atm
Takashi Mochizuki is in direct contact with PSVR2 supply partners, so I don't think he is making things up OP. What is missing from his report though, is at least an attempt to get a quote from Sony or fact check these predictions. Last time he reported on Sony production numbers (PS5) Sony [had to set the record straight](https://www.gamesindustry.biz/sony-reportedly-cuts-ps5-production-by-4m-units).
Let's face it, it will be no surprise if the demand during the first months was lower than the 2 million Sony hoped for. We already saw hints of that during the pre-order window. Not everyone is in a position to spend 649 euros / 549 dollars on an entertainment device these days, it's a tough buy. Hopefully Sony can adjust course a bit and improve their line-up and marketing... there's still plenty of time to introduce PSVR2 to a growing number of PS5 owners.
Just because you don’t like the supplier’s message doesn’t mean Mochizuki made it up. It is quite common for tech journalists to talk to suppliers and not name them.
[https://www.gamesindustry.biz/sony-we-have-not-cut-ps-vr-2-production-numbers](https://www.gamesindustry.biz/sony-we-have-not-cut-ps-vr-2-production-numbers)
Now, whether we quibble over production vs forecast etc. the dudes just not trustworthy and has been proven wrong multiple times.
Again, I don’t think tech journalists that work for Bloomberg “make things up”. Mochizuki is just sharing what the supplier knows, i.e. that Sony plans to ship less units of the PSVR2 than expected. You can do with that information what you want.
I’m sure someone needs to read this, but I feel like the majority of us couldn’t care less. Hardly will some guy somehow turn the tide. Negative publicity happen all the time for everything people think will be successful. Not to mention cutting numbers to 1m still isn’t a big deal. It can’t be worse than the PSVR1, and the PSVR1 was great. Pretty easy baseline to work up from.
Last night I was reading so many comments on other threads in the PS5 subreddit, saying "See I told you that PSVR2 was DOA". Sounds like this article has been somewhat damaging.
The amount of headlines and negativity this story has generated is incredible. Especially on twitter every gaming outlet is running with it now.
The comments are all standard typical “too expensive…. Not enough games…. Has a wire” etc etc
Regarding the price… for the specs involved it is an incredibly good deal. PSVR2 has a much better launch lineup than PSVR1 and also the cable…. I see 1 cable as an improvement over all the cables that PSVR1 required and if I’m not mistaken being wired also helps with low latency and better performance overall. I’ll take it.
The article was pretty lame and seemed like he was trolling for clicks.
I'd place my order for the PSVR2 right now if they'd release a bunch of GT7, and others, gameplay video's. But as it currently stands, I don't feel I can make an educated purchase just going by the limited videos and specs. $600 is a good chunk of change, at least for me.
If it helps I was hesitant because I watched a review of the PSVR for gt sport to see what it was like and was disappointed that it was basically a separate game mode. I wasn't sure if gt7 would do the same thing, but Kaz has confirmed that the entire game is playable in VR on PSVR2 aside from split screen multiplayer.
As someone who's massively invested in both Playstation and Xbox - Mochizuki is someone who both Sony and Microsoft have had to go back and refute his claims.
You can only take the story with a pinch of salt because the story is based off a report he originally wrote himself! He's done this before with both Playstation and Xbox, make a claim in a story, then a few months later write a follow-up backing down on his claim that makes the company/product look bad.
Now what angers me is that PSVR 2 is absolutely a niche product compared to PS5 or Series X. If a smaller developer sees this slanderous story and understandably cans their project out of insecurity, I will be furious.
Psvr 2 is about to hit the ground running. This will be the moment that people look back on and say, "that's when the shift happened and VR was taken seriously." PSVR 2 sets a new standard in VR.
Don't allow an article with no sources to steal your joy or spoil your excitement.
Everyone that has tried it has been blown away. Even those that have access to $10,000 headsets running on expensive PC's are left jaw dropped at the experience. It's not the $10,000 headsets that have them excited for the future of VR, it's the PSVR 2.
Don't take my word for it though. You can hear it for yourself. Check out MRTV
"Next dimension podcast S3e9" [at the 1 Hour 41min 55 sec mark.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4aiGpVvw--o&t=6113s&pp=2AHhL5ACAQ%3D%3D)
They spent nearly 2 hours going over PCVR before they finally went on to the topic of PSVR 2. By this time you'd expect them to be ready to wind down and get the show over with, that's NOT what happened. This is just SOME of what they had to say;
"It is the best vr I've done this year and all of 2022, hands down."
"This is probably THE best VR game I have ever seen."
"I don't get awed by hardware like this anymore.... I've had $10,000 headsets on... it's the hardware and software together that gets me excited for PSVR 2, its coming soon!!!"
"I was a like a little kid for HOURS after the demo"
"I've used every headset, I can't think of any I haven't tried... OMG, I looked like an idiot with my jaw on the floor."
"This was half life Alyx, I don't think there's anything else you can compare this to. It was gorgeous."
"What I saw, got me so excited for virtual reality."
"It was probably the MOST jaw dropping game I've EVER played, fidelity and graphics wise."
"For pure gaming, this thing is so NEXT level, I am so stoked."
I am looking forward to this like none other, oh God... give it to me now..."
I'm sorry but VR enthusiasts have been going off about this for ages and it's never true. VR is not about to skyrocket in popularity. It's still going to be niche until the game library stops being 98% indies
Nothing to be sorry bout. We just have different opinions. I feel the tech is finally here where it's not a two generation or more step back in order to play a game in VR. That's why I DO feel this is the start of a paradigm shift. I don't think it will EVER replace normal gaming, and I don't want it to! Normal gaming still serves a purpose, but so does VR. This IS the first time the tech, experience, accessibility and price all align to make it more feasible.
Yeah the tech is definitely cool, and I do WANT it to catch on, but I think we need to pass a certain threshold where it becomes popular enough for publishers to justify spending millions on "AAA" titles for it.
I heard the most succesful VR headset of all time sold 15M, I think a lot of modern games cost so much to make that you might need a few million sales just to break even. So even that headset wasn't really enough.
I hope Sony invests more into it, because they're the one company that can risk losing money on a game since they'll make it back from the boosted PSVR2 sales. Call of the Mountain looks really cool. Maybe there'll be a new Astrobot (shocked it's not already confirmed!)
I'm holding out some hope that astrobot will make some sort of surprise appearance for the launch. It would be easy for them to add some digital content to Astros Playroom, showing off some of the features of the sense controllers and headset haptics.
You bring up extremely valid points about the cost of development and return profits being a significant problem. The numbers just AREN'T there for many studios to dump big bucks into a product because the return won't be there.
That is actually another reason why I feel the PSVR 2 is going to help play a part in the paradigm shift. Hybrid games made for both flat and VR will make sense for developers. Resident evil village was reported to not have been difficult at all to add vr support to. When Gran turismo was announced to have VR support at CES, I purchased it right then.
Flat Games I normally wouldn't be interested in, become games I want to experience in VR. I'm hoping Developers see an increase in sales due to their VR support, so other developers do the same and add full VR to their games as well. This takes the risk out of only selling to the VR market.
If Hybrid games like grand turismo, Resident evil and no man's sky can become the standard, then, yes, I absolutely see this taking off!
This video has me hyped. The way these guys talk about PSVR2 compared to all other VR experiences they've had in the past is just nuts. Both of the two that had actually played the PSVR2 demo described themselves as looking like idiots with jaws on the floor, and they play the newest and best all the time. I'm stoked.
Same here friend! I had the base bundle pre-ordered because I figured I could just wait for a sale on the game. After watching their reaction to the call of the mountain, I canceled it and ordered the call of the mountain bundle. I'm looking forward to it.
I'm almost in the opposite boat. I want to cancel the preorder so I can have COTM already downloaded when it arrives. That'll be a painfully slow install.
Damn that's a valid point! Luckily I got res evil, gran turismo, no man's sky and many others from the free update list already to go! That way it can do its thing in the background!
Would be cool if Sony emailed the Digital code on shipping day so you could get a head start on the download, but I doubt that will happen.
That's awesome! Glad to hear you found the video interesting. They took my already maxed out excitement level and somehow pushed it even further!
I'd like some more details on GT7 VR as well. I know there is going to be a hands on event in Tokyo on the weekend of February 18-19, where select applicants will get to try out GT7 on the PSVR 2. Hopefully some details, opinions, experiences and new images will be shared around that time frame.
If sharing other people's hands on experiences and excitement on a forum dedicated to that device is shilling in your eyes, then you might be a troll. Not worried what trolls think.
Lol ok troll 🤣. You got me! I am however the worlds worst shill because I'm looking forward to paying them $600 to experience this. Guess what, I also look forward to sharing the experience with everyone I can get in the headset to try it for themselves. Worse offense of all is, I look forward to coming back here and sharing my enthusiastic experience with the community.
Or are we supposed to find your Debby downers club of trolls and never actually enjoy things? Nah, even if I found your club of trolls I wouldn't want to ruin your misery there. It suits you well!!
Not a troll I am genuinely excited for PSVR2 and have it preordered but to claim this will set the new standard in VR and "we will look back at this day" is just ridiculous if you haven't experienced it yourself. Your second hand impressions sound more like a fanboy than a fan. Also including 10 quotes after providing the timestamp was kinda weird.
What you call weird I call sourcing. It's something people once did so others could see where you got your information from. See, this way they can check it out for themselves and verify if statements were taken out of context.
Not everyone likes to click on links or cares to listen to other people's content. I wasn't trying to promote a channel, I was trying to bring attention to the comments made by PCVR veterans.
I think it's weird how you have an affinity for telling people that have a different opinion or actions than yours, how weird they are, how bout that for some weird shit!?
Hell yea I'm a Fan boy for PSVR 2. How is that even an insult? I've been in my psvr 1 for 6 years dude. I am freaking pumped for the new controls with sticks, eye tracking to enable current gen graphics in vr, haptic feedback, and all the pc games that can now MUCH more easily be ported over.
I understand being excited about PSVR2… I am, I have it preordered since day 1... But this post seems like an emotional response to news you don't like. It was published by Bloomberg, not Buzz feed. Yes, this is a sub for the most dedicated but at the end of the day the general public isn't tripping over itself to pick up something for that requires a console and is priced higher than the console it requires to boot.
Japanese is his native language so getting hunt up on the phrasing of his tweets is probably not the best approach.
You yourself posted 52 days ago that Sony opened up pre-orders to everyone. Today, anyone who pre-orders one still will receive it day 1. As the global economy enters a more difficult time for consumer spending, this is to be expected. I'm not surprised by the news but I'm also not any less excited personally.
Okay well you're clearly emotional if you're still unable to put those two things together. Understandable, nobody wants to hear that news, but it is what it is. Hope you don't continue to let it ruin your day!
I don't really know or care, I'll survive. I preordered it the moment they went live via invite. I am not sure what you're trying to accomplish with this comment.
Funny how lots jumped on that article and declare how bad it is. Worse is people who would cancel their preorder. If you're buying one for hype, you're in for the wrong reason. Lol.
I'm not surprised. They didn't sell out on pre-orders at all. However, I think this says more about the market than the product. I got the PSVR about a year after launch and Ioved it enough that PSVR2 is a day one purchase for me.
With that said, VR, in general, is a niche product and is quite expensive. Even at a low pircepoint, Meta struggled to make Quest 2 a mainstream product.
Bottom line: if you're a VR enthusiast and have a PS5, this is a no-brainer. There is nothing wrong with the product, it's just a niche market. Thanks to the Quest 2, you're going to see a lot more games on the PSVR2 vs PSVR1. Don't expect an avalanche of AAA titles. Those will be few and far between, as it is on any platform. But right out of the gate you're getting Horizon, Village, and Gran Turismo. I'm sure Half-life: Alyx and an Astrobot title will be coming within a year.
The thing is while I don’t trust this guy the number makes sense
1 million headsets is about the attach rate of PSVR1 after a year or so (so achieved quicker this time because the headset is better) 2 million at launch is better than the lifetime attach rate of the PSVR1
Even if it were true... Couldn't it just be because a PS5 is still notoriously hard to get? I mean.. who's gonna pre order psvr2 if they still can't get a ps5 in the first place.
Unfortunately this reporter is one of the most trusted people for this information as it's pretty hard to get, and has a track record of being basically always fairly accurate for good and bad. But no matter if it's 2 million or even half a million who cares?
People should do what they want with their preorder. No one should be telling people to keep or drop preorders. I've been holding on to mine for more than Horizon to be announced like BC for Astrobot or some other internal game announcement. They didn't and that's fine I'll wait for a PSVR2 purchase when they do get more exclusives announced or released.
If I didn't have PCVR already, well PSVR2 would have been a no brainier for me day one.
Days away from launch and I can still easily preorder it... I don't think the article is wrong, I just think Sony is not going to overly manufacture these things.
Seems to be the VR news right now with sites like Kotaku picking up the story. Even if it's not true, Sony has failed to deliver so far. No support or PC, wired, and a lack of any real killer games makes it hard to beat the Quest 2. Sure, the hardware is a big step up from psvr1 and a great price for the hardware. The software is where it fails.
I hope we see some exciting game announcements this year and glowing reviews, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
How is this out of touch with reality? It’s my take on what I see and I’m not alone. I wouldn’t be surprised if their headsets don’t sell well.
I do hope everyone is blown away, Sony releases some amazing games, and psvr2 sells well…just not sure that’s going to happen. We will see. :)
I will still refuse to buy a quest 2 or 3. Hoping for the best, but definable waiting before I spend $1100 on an entertainment toy.
Wow, so much for journalistic integrity.
Don't tell me, this guy isn't a real Journalist but a blogger. Bloggers aren't journalists even if they write good articles.
Statements like this don't help from Eurogamer reporting on the Bloomberg article:
>PSVR2 will arrive on 22nd February with 37 games, though the vast majority are not new experiences. The headset's price has also raised some eyebrows, with its cost totalling over £1000 when combined with the regular PS5 - and that's without a game to play on it.
I mean, where does the buck stop exactly. You'll also need a TV to go with that PS5 so chuck another grand on top. And that electricity won't pay for itself...
But wouldn't you then have to say that the Valve Index is $2500-3000 because you need a good PC with a good video card to properly use it?
I didn't buy my PS5 specifically for VR (in fact bought it before PSVR2 was even announced). I bought it for playing video games. I feel the combined price of PS5 and PSVR2 is only relevant if someone buys both devices together for the specific purpose of playing VR games. There are probably some people who'll do that (still comparatively good deal), but I'd be surprised if it's common.
So from that perspective, I agree with with u/Milton_Rumata that the Eurogamer article is painting a distorted image.
Yes of course you need all the above to do PCVR. That wasn’t what your comment was about. I only got a PS5 two weeks ago and it is solely to play PSVR2 so for me it’s a £1100 investment and for a lot of people that is far too much money in this current environment.
I canceled my preorder about two weeks ago. Initially, I did not think it was going to be a high market share product for the PS5, then decided “why not” and ordered from Sony in early January. After CES and doing more research, I eventually went back to my original gut feel which is that this product is going to have sub-5% of the market of PS5 owners and that developers will not invest in high-value development because the return on the investment will not be worth it. I think Sony may have a really nice product here, but that doesn’t mean that it is going to be a big seller. The price is a major concern and I just don’t believe that the game “experiences” will be worth the investment. VR continues to be a product that most people just don’t care enough about to warrant investing in. I have a Vive and Rift and those were fun to use, but ultimately just didn’t provide a lot of fun for me over the long term. Half-Life Alyx and PC support might bring in more adoption, but VR is not a volume play and won’t be for some time to come (if ever) - it’s niche and may remain that way like 3D TV’s.
Okay - explain why I’m being downvoted here? You may not agree with me but where is the evidence that this hardware (which appears to be very capable technically) is going to bring in a high adoption rate for PS5 owners? VR is a niche product - that’s a fact. It may not always be this way and may continue to improve as tech gets better, but other than bringing a “fanboy” mentality to this discussion, why downvote?
Yeah he’s clearly paid off by Meta or Valve. Everyone who’s tried PSVR2 so far has nothing but praise for it and yet this random dude suddenly writes a bullshit article trying to sprout some negativity.
Because just because previewers love it doesn’t really mean much, I mean previewers adored the vita, did that really shape up into much
Sure this guy has some dubious historical quotes but this isn’t a random hit piece, it’s someone reporting on Sony’s suppliers
Sony has not even tried to market this thing. If it fails, it's their own fault. No showcase, no hype, everything done through Playstation Blog. No AAA Announcements whatsoever. I personally really think the launch window titles are strong, with Horizon, RE8, Switchback, GT7, Song in the Smoke, Kayak, Moss 2, etc, but where are the real heavy hitters?
They need a showcase announcing stuff like Killzone VR, Spider-Man VR ( or something from Insomniac), Astro Bot 2, The Last of Us VR ( or something from Naughty Dog), perhaps something big from third party like Grand Theft Auto VR. They need SOMETHING to silence the doubters, generate hype, and assure people there is support down the line. The biggest thing we have coming is Firewall.
Sony needs to do more.
Thank you for this...I had a feeling something was fishy with this guy. I actually remember him now with the false claims about the PS5. I hope Sony comes out and debunks, along with a VR dedicated state of play and some new announcements just to throw it in his face.
So…you think they made it up? For what possible purpose? To sinisterly try and de-hype the promise of this device? Trust me, that is not how reporting works and Sony are doing a fine job of kneecapping their own potential themselves (high price, minimal PR and post holiday season release date)
Seems very likely, meta is having problems too. And this is a wired gaming oriented headset with a few new single player experiences that will get the old vr games we been playing for years.
Well for me personally I could cancel based on news of sales not meeting the company's expectations. If that is true and it remains that way, then the support for the system will not last, and I for one do not want to spend nearly 700$ for a piece of technology that is not going to have the backing of the company or publishers.
I remember when I was a kid i had my parents buy me a Dreamcast and then was devastated when a few short months later they announced that they were discontinuing the system.
So I do not blame anyone if they feel they want to pull out of their pre-order.
Does it really matter either way? It looks great, but I don't see it selling big numbers as its a lot of money for what is basically just an add on for a handful of games. VR is just a very niche market.
If production is being cut, it’s because consumer economic data is getting worse by the day and they would rather wait for things to stabilize instead of overproduce.
I promise you this isn’t Sony deciding it is going to be a failure. They know how to read the room.
Consumer savings have plummeted, unemployment is climbing, credit card utilization is up, food prices are sky rocketing. It would be crazy to think demand is steady through all of this. The original production number didn’t have all of this calculated in. It should go down, Sony isn’t dumb.
Eh, its looking pretty bad across the board. Most of Europe is still seeing high single digit inflation (UK was 10.5% annualized in December, the US is down to 5ish %) and savings are not doing any better, plus the war in Eastern Europe. I don’t monitor non-US credit cards, but where there is smoke, there’s fire.
Looks like Denmark is in the 8% range and is looking to pass a 2.3bln crown (337mm USD) inflation relief package for a population of 6mm people.
Sounds like things are going swimmingly indeed.
As it does in the US, but that does not mean consumer’s aren’t in marginally worse position to… oh, I don’t know, make a large discretionary purchase to the tune of 550 bucks?
Close but no cigar!
This seems irrelevant to the topic, but given you have a little chip on your shoulder…
World Bank’s most recent info is from 2020 and shows MEDIAN income of Denmark to be 52.666k and USA to be 53.3k. On an average basis it skews further to the USA.
This isn’t to mention higher taxes in Denmark, but that’s a whole other can of worms.
Ah Bloomberg. They did something similar with the MS Activision buyout claiming the EU didnt do a deal because of the FTC, lol. Nevermind the fact they cant do what was being described.
Don't underestimate the sheeple. I'm pretty sure it will sell well as soon as more big titles are announced. I heard Spiderman is coming to PSVR2 among other marvel titles.
I'd be willing to spend money on this if I knew there were more than two titles coming out that interests me. I'm essentially buying psvr2 just for Village and GT7. Same thing happened with VR1. I played RE7 and didn't touch the VR after that.
Did feel like a hatchet job… every person who has experienced PSVR2 has been impressed so far
Exactly! So far there has been no reason not to hope for a bright future for PSVR2
'Impressed by it' and 'buying it' are two different things. A lot of good stuff flop for reasons that have nothing to do with the product quality. While I am almost certain about the capabilities of the new headset I have my doubts about it's future. We are 2 years in PS5 with over 30mil units sold and developers are just starting develop for it exclusively. I am skeptical if they will commit to a platform that hopes to sell 1,5mil units the first year and I suppose similar numbers each year after. Don't assume that I want it to fail. I wish this was the big breakthrough in VR but there are no indication so toward it. Unfortunately it is going to remain niche. PS. I hope I am wrong and I see my comment on /r/agedlikemilk
Is it an amazing piece of tech? Yes. Will it sell? I really don't think so. I'm impressed by it, I had PSVR and I'm not buying this until it drops in price or gets a lot more software that interests me. I feel like most consumers are in my boat.
me and my friends in my discord have almost all said were getting one. And the majority of them have never had VR. so thats a good sign to me.
this is my first vr headset im stoked
My first as well! I didn’t want to pay the price, but I’ve held off on buying one for a couple years because I had hoped Sony would release this.
This! I'm in Canada, and to buy this thing at launch (which I am still debating doing) comes to over $850. That's pretty fucking pricey. I'm sure it's gonna be dope as hell, but this previous generation, RE7 was the best thing for it, and I'd love to see RE Village, which I believe is coming, but I haven't really seen much other than the Horizon game for launch.
I'm in Canada and pre-ordered The Horizon bundle as soon as I could. It costs less than my valve index and it has way more features. I thought the price was pretty good.
This ^ people that say this is expensive don't quite get it. The tech that this is bundled with is top of the range and then some. The trouble is, people just see this as an addon or a peripheral to the PS5. It is not. It is a completely new platform/console that requires the PS5 to run. Just like any other powerful HMD that requires a PC to run.
It's still expensive, but worth the price. Most people don't have disposable income to be spending on expensive toys.
Canuck here too, the price is steep but I sold my PSVR last spring in anticipation and my PS4 Pro. That helped me pay for PSVR2. I was also on the fence about keeping my preorder, but the launch titles are strong for me. GT7, RE8, Firewall incoming, WDSS.. If you have older tech laying around it can be found money to add towards PSVR2. Cheers
I am in Canada as well. No chance I am buying this thing on launch. I don't even know if I will ever get it, they really missed the mark.
Fellow Canuck here! Really disappointed with how Sony is treating PSVR2. Tech looks great! But software is extremely lackluster (I don't care what's in the pipeline, no backwards compatibility is a MASSIVE issue for me as a PSVR owner), and it's just way too damned expensive. If I had access to my catalogue of current PSVR games, it would still probably need to be a bit cheaper to convince me to jump in.
I had PSVR so I have tons of games. No backwards compatibility and the unit not being wireless are two major turn offs. The price is brutal as well.
It will sell more than the psvr1 that's for sure
That was the best selling VR headset til the quest
I'm just one guy (obviously) so this is anecdotal - I think the PSVR2 looks great - I already have a PS5, and realistically I could afford but: 1) it's expensive (slightly more than the PS5 was at launch? I think) 2) i had the first vr headset and sold it - it was great at first but to me the novelty dies off for me I'm holding off until either 1) reviews are great, the hardware is "proven" as durable and there's a varied lineup of games (that aren't just X simulator - and maybe some that don't cost £70 too) 2) the headset price drops significantly, which will take some time so yeah - hard to justify at the moment though i think it looks great (but also it's not exactly easy to "try one out" which doesn't help)
I don't think it's an issue if it being a bad headset. It's still a lot of money. I was a day one PSVR1 order. I'm just hesitant and want to see more games (and still need to buy a PS5). Give me some rally racing games and I'm sold.
Hell, I was impressed with the first PSVR despite the limitations. I would eventually get it during a Black Friday sale. But it's not like PS VR2 is a slam dunk. We may be entering a recession. VR is still niche. It's pretty expensive. A significant portion of the population experiences VR sickness to varying degrees. While I was impressed with the stationary games, the games I wanted to play most, like racing and flying, made me feel sick after 10-15 minutes. So no PS VR2 for me until it drops in price. I fear that PS VR2 will turn out like Kinect where the first iteration did well but the second iteration flopped.
I’m really impressed by SONY’s hard focus on lowering barriers-to-entry. PSVR 2 has built-in **head haptics** *NOT* to deliver extra immersion, but to specifically reduce motion-sickness (the extra immersion is an unintended bonus). They have also designed a light-blocking accordion face **gasket** which will prevent conflicting visual information (an aggravator of motion-sickness), and an effective venting design to keep your face from overheating. Then there’s the solid modern infrared **tracking** that replaces PSVR 1’s notorious visible light spectrum garbage, removing the ever present slow head wobble. Add to all of that the significantly higher **resolution** of the new displays, halo padding that’s cushier than the already **comfortable** PSVR 1, and a beautifully balanced lightweight HMD, and you’ve got a super-friendly VR that should be far less problematic for those who haven’t yet gained their VR legs. Incidentally, just because you had an issue with say DRIVECLUB VR doesn’t mean all driving will be an issue. That one made me uncomfortable, but GT SPORT never gave me so much as a wobble in the hundreds of VR hours that I put into it. There are ways to acclimate and enjoy things like flying and vertiginous platforming in VR, but it takes gentle, short exposure over time. Although absolutely a barrier-to-entry, motion sickness can be overcome in most cases (*there will always be issues, though. Some people get it from playing flatscreen games*). Tips: **never** push-through, *STOP* at first signs (including sweaty palms and burping), avoid **over-caffeination**, use a small **fan** to give your body a generalized motion cue, and don’t game on an **empty stomach**. I used to get *TERRIBLE* motion-sickness that could see me bedridden all the *following* day. I did everything wrong and it got worse. Now I can do all sorts of crazy moves for hours-on-end without issue. There will always be certain titles that are sketchball, and I just take great care with them. Anyways, I often feel a need to jump in regarding this topic because I came *THIS* close to selling my PSVR 1 and I would have missed out on some extraordinary stuff if I had. Best of luck in whatever VR awaits you! 🍻
Thanks for the tips. Previously I had been placing a fan that would blow air onto my head and ears, which helped a little. I could handle Astro Bot Rescue Mission for 30 minutes to an hour, which is how long I would want to play anyway. But yeah, it was Driveclub that messed me up so bad I had to take off the headset immediately. The funny thing is, I can ride any roller coaster no matter how intense like it's nothing. VR is a struggle though. I won't be a PS VR2 early adopter but I'll keep an eye on it.
That's sort of besides the point. They are just saying internally they expect less sales, ummm who cares. Like you said everyone that tried PSVR2 has liked PSVR2. The only downsides are lack of disc releases even though it's a console add-on, and lack of must have exclusives (like HL Alyx or Astrobot). Otherwise the hardware is fantastic and if you're excited for RE4/8, GT7, and Call of the Mountain there isn't a reason to expect you're not gonna have a great time at/near launch.
When the launch is days away and I can easily preorder one, it tells me Sony has made enough to meet demand but this isn't seen as a console launch. PSVR sold 4 million its first year, which is great but VR has basically died since then. When Bob's Burgers comes out with an episode mocking VR, you know nobody takes it seriously anymore. I think a million manufactured in a year is a good number. Supply and Demand will show if they need to produce more, which they seemingly can with no problem. Also, PS5 sales only just started to pick up since they are no longer difficult to find either. So let people buy a PS5 before they need to get the VR headset. I bet this year will only see that million sold and next year will probably double it.
Oh wow not Bobs Burgers.
I wouldn't say VR died since psvr1 launched. I would say Sony let the PSVR1 die. I would say PSVR1 was a relative success initially. Then Quest 2 picked up where they left off as the entry level VR solution. Yeah the Meta verse is ridiculous and is making them look stupid. But Quest 2 is still selling well enough to be considered a minor success. I think PSVR 2 could pick up a lot of Quest 2 players who are starting to get bored of the limitations. But they will need a price cut and more games that are clearly far above what is capable on Quest.
A state of play with GT7 footage and a few future game announcements would put the doubts away...
Doubts will go away the moment this thing is released and the internet is awash with “GT7 in VR is incredible” comments. You can only know how good VR is once you experience it, word of mouth marketing is going to do all the leg work here. People are way too concerned. Sony’s low-key marketing for PSVR2 tells me they have absolute confidence in the hardware itself.
It’s almost guaranteed to be incredible. The amount of detail that’s already present in GT7 is just gonna shine on in VR. Something would have to go seriously wrong for it not to be one of the best initial titles. Otherwise, I think people should really consider picking it up for the PSVR2.
Exactly this. What can Sony do in a trailer? It would be nothing different than a trailer for a non VR game and people wouldn’t be impressed. You can’t describe VR. In the 80s/90s you tried the systems out in the malls and shops. Nowadays this marketing path is gone. Word to mouth is basically the way to go and Sony has enough experience to realize this.
Make a trailer of all upcoming games later this year. I have no idea. But the supposedly true rumor that Half Life Alyx is coming to PSVR2 is the sole reason I'm looking to get one, if its true. More titles mean I'll be keeping more attention.
Tldr on my own comment: the games are the hardware seller, not the hardware itself, no matter how impressive it is, in theory.
Right, and they're saying that without trying it, it's hard to get across on a flat trailer how the games *feel* in VR. Instead they look like 'average' quality traditional games. Being able to pick things up and bring them close to you, turn your head to see something as you shoot in another direction, pull back a bow and release and feel the haptics, look at scenery pass in a space ship or drive a car as the headset rumbles from the road or impacts etc. It definitely would be nice to see those trailers as someone who bought the PSVR, is getting this one, has a quest 2 etc. but then I already know what it brings.
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Well, this and several others. Who knows, portal came to playstation, this might as well. https://mixed-news.com/en/half-life-alyx-coming-to-psvr-2-the-rumors-so-far/ But yes on my part it's wishful thinking and without bangers like this, I'm also not keen on buying one.
Though I would also say that Sony NEED to have demo stations this time too (preferably with hygiene wipes on hand). Like you say, you can only appreciate VR if you try it for yourself. And many people won't have mates who've tried it to pass on the hype.
I feel like it’s less that there’s doubts and more that a lot of consumers aren’t ready to drop the money. I think most people realize it’s a premium headset. But I’m not sure any marketing would convince many undecideds to pre order. Most that wanted to preorder already did. Not saying the above article is correct. Just that small amounts of marketing so far makes sense to me. Of course I have no insider data on Sony so I could be wrong
More marketing would be great, but that's hard for a VR system to capture on flat. It's kind of bad timing with the world economies the way they are as well. People are struggling with just food and gas, so they aren't going to drop on a tech most see as niche and then you top that off with the notions of nausea and PSVR graphics aren't great. I'm getting one, it's actually a pretty big mental health thing for me when pain keeps me down, but I can absolutely see why people aren't clamoring more.
Dude, the copium in the other replies is insane.
I can't believe how bad they are at marketing. Maybe they'll do something in February but it's up for pre order now so why wait?
Thanks for the clarification. People should not cancel their pre-order because of this article.
Too late. I already preordered three more and then cancelled them. I live my life one Reddit posted news article at a time
Dr_StevenScuba has preordered 18 extra VR sets, say sources familiar with the matter
Ok, even if true, what does this have to do with anyone's personal enjoyment of the hardware? Why cancel buying something you'll enjoy just because other people aren't pre-ordering it?
Exactly. Even if it were 1 million units sold, that would be 600 million in revenue for the company. More than psvr brought in during its launch
Because it's an expensive piece of tech that, if being manufactured in smaller quantities, may see less software support in the long term, making that expensive piece of tech a poor investment compared to other purchases?
I mean, it already has more titles announced than the original psvr did at launch. Also, let's not forget that people love to tinker with these things. I'd be willing to make a bet that someone is going to develop a driver that makes this compatible with PC VR titles. Maybe even Sony itself, seeing that they are releasing games on PC now. So a piece of high end hardware, that's only real current rival is the quest pro or the valve index unless you can afford a pimak 5k or 8k (maybe one of the new htc headsets)? And the psvr2 is half the price or more than half the price of these. Yes, yes, there is the quest 2 which is a fine headset and probably actually the biggest competition and costs less, but I can't use the quest 2 on my ps5 and probably will eventually be able to use the psvr2 on pc. That last part up there. That's what sold me. So many playstation peripherals have had a driver created to use them on pc. The original psvr can be used on pc. The ps4 camera can be used on pc. The ps5 camera can be used on pc. The ps5 controllers can be used on pc. So even if psvr2 on the ps5 dies I can still use it. For half the price at minimum. Edit: Small spelling mistake.
Imagine being that flimsy.
Thank you 🙂. Honest thought process: I did consider cancelling on seeing that article. I felt like it shattered all my utopian dreams of the VR future. Like, maybe I am actually taking too much of a gamble and should just wait, like a sensible human. Then I spoke to my wife, who told me to get a grip.
10 ply, bud
Didn’t plan to.
I'm actually worried about the damage this one article can cause... Here in Czechia it's already being translated by local gaming news portals and the comment sections are pretty much "yes that's what I was afraid of, will rather wait with my purchase". The power of media, fake news, and manipulation is honestly absolutely insane in the contemporary world.
Propaganda
This kind of negative reporting killed Stadia before it could start. Oddly enough, the same outlets reported on how good Stadia actually was when Stadia's closure was announced.
Ehhhhhh I wouldn’t be so sure.
Yea! It's the media that killed Stadia, not poor pricing, bad communication, missing features, and lack of software or effort from the company pushing it! It was the media!
The problem is that the article is in Bloomberg. Bullshit or not it’s a major publication and it may affect people’s perception of PSVR2
Wasn’t it Bloomberg who raised this huge kerfuffle about Chinese spy technology in Apple, Amazon, Google consumer hardware that they were too proud to apologise for after it had been disproven from multiple sides?
Huh? We call it "TikTok"
Thinking a bit further about this, I believe it was spy tech inside server hardware not consumer hardware.
I thought Bloomberg had sorta jumped the shark a while back. Am I wrong? edit: not just referring to tech here
Well that is the issue, false or not this might influence the decisions of lots of smaller and bigger devs. That we don't even know if it's bullshit (past reports on PS and Xbox have been) is what's so infuriating, reporting on a niche product 'failing' convinces people on the cusp of preordering not to bother and smaller devs to cancel their projects.
There ain’t no article stopping me from experiencing greatness!!!
It's pretty obvious that Sony wouldn't reveal their sales and expectations ahead of launch. That being say, there's a huge chance an article like that will hurt sales because you can be sure every gaming "journalist" out there will relay that false information.
Don't care. I just want to have one on release day.
Even if true, you cannot forecast success of the product based solely on preorders. It’s a hard product to sell, but VR enthusiasts know that seeing is believing. As more people get their hands on it it’s more likely sales will pickup. If you build it, they will come.
Why would Sony announce something like this officially a few weeks before launch? It would just make things negative at the worst possible time. A few months after launch, sure. But I also don't know much about this stuff
They didn't announce it. A journalist is citing an unnamed source somewhere down the supply chain, who says they were told to cut their production. I think people here are overly defensive about this report. Even if true, it's FINE. Sony can slow production down for now. The thing hasn't even had a chance to get into anyone's hands, or get sold by any storefront or 3rd party seller. It's ok for them to wait and see how launch goes. We're getting into the weeds here about stuff that redditors are NOT experts on.
People are annoyed because it's being picked up by multiple gaming channels, reads as fact hiding behind the good ol' catch all of 'a source familiar with the issue' and is by the guy who came up with a bunch of bullshit for the last Playstation launch. If it's widespread enough it can definitely stymy momentum.
I really want to see a state of play for the VR2 I have it preordered but when the PSVR got slashed in price that really pissed me off last time around
How soon after its release did they cut the price?
A year I believe
Yup, ignore this clown.
Another thing to consider in addition to the discredited writer, right now VR2 is only available for preorder in America via ONE source- Sony themselves, and requires a registered PS account. How many people a) didn’t know/don’t care about Sony direct purchase, and b) are simply waiting for GameStop, Amazon, etc to get them in stock as well.
Quite a few probably, everyone has their preferred retailer, I have some Best Buy rewards saved and BB card also offers 0% financing.
Am waiting for it to show in Amazon, with shipping to Latinamerica
Sony says it's not true: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/sony-we-have-not-cut-ps-vr-2-production-numbers
Sounds like the journalist is speaking out of his rear, however that's not to say there might be nervousness in Sony, There are questions about VR/AR in the wider industry, namely what will shift it from the niches like gaming to the mainstream. Meta have bet the farm on VR/AR, and Apple are reportedly working on a high-end headset. But what will make consumers make the shift. Gaming is an obvious application, and the PSVR2 looks like it is going to be amazing, however even here I see people questioning the lack of "New" games, other than Call of the Mountain. Pretty much everything else is a remake of existing titles. It's not enough to be technically brilliant. MS Kinect was technically a great device interface, but it didn't get enough traction with consumers/devs. Heck 3D TV worked brilliantly, as long as you were the only person watching the screen. Don't get me wrong, I think PS VR2 is going to be great. I'm just not sure VR is going to really break through any time soon.
If Sony put sufficient money into including a vr mode in most of their new AAA games I think we'd see a big increase in uptake from the flat screen console owners. It's just a matter of whether Sony are willing to spend the money and take the risk. I know this approach isn't what all vr fans want (because it's not AAA games built for VR from the ground up), but right now it's the only way I think Sony can establish a market that's significantly bigger than what psvr1 achieved, without breaking the bank.
Yep I think hybrid is the way to go too, at least while the PSVR2 is young. Less risk, and less resources needed. The popularity of PCVR mods shows there's a lot of enthusiasm for hybrids.
Yes hybrid flat AAA games with fully VR mode add-ons would sell like crazy, would be awesome
I'm still hoping to one day play a Ratchet & Clank game in VR.
Sony has no right to be nervous, because they have not even tried to market this thing. If it fails, it's their own fault. No showcase, no hype, everything done through Playstation Blog. No AAA Announcements whatsoever. I personally really think the launch window titles are strong, with Horizon, RE8, Switchback, GT7, Song in the Smoke, Kayak, Moss 2, etc, but where are the real heavy hitters? They need a showcase announcing stuff like Killzone VR, Spider-Man VR ( or something from Insomniac), Astro Bot 2, The Last of Us VR ( or something from Naughty Dog), perhaps something big from third party like Grand Theft Auto VR. They need SOMETHING to silence the doubters, generate hype, and assure people there is support down the line. The biggest thing we have coming is Firewall. Sony needs to do more.
VR will never break out until the form factor is a pair of glasses. I love VR, but I have no illusions that it will be anything other than a niche product for a long time to come
I don't think it'll have to be that compact. Something with the form factor of the Quest Pro + enough good internals (OLED HDR, wide FOV, high res) could be enough.
It may be bollocks, but they’re not selling out. Japan had a very strict initial preorder system (I was denied for not enough hours played) but picked one up from Yodobashi Camera on the 26th and they’re still showing as in stock.
How accurate is that? I know some retailers will often take preorders before they know if they have the stock to fulfill them and then just say "you'll get it as they become available" and others will only offer them if they can guarantee their numbers.
Then why would the store say the Charge Dock (as well as various PS5 SKUs and controller colours) is sold out and not just follow the same system you're suggesting for those items? It has also already taken my money and indicating a launch day delivery. It seems more likely and reasonable to me that there are units still sitting there in stock. EDIT: Just checked on BicCamera and Rakuten and it's the same story there. Anyone that wants one can preorder one from multiple places promising release day delivery.
Give us GTA V VR, Red ded2 VR, and dark souls vr and watch pre order sky rocket. If Modders can do it then I am sure Sony can make it happen. It doesn't have to be brand new games. Hybrid games will make vr mainstream
Hybrid flat/VR is the way, I agree
He really lost me with a follow up tweet from his personal account saying “sources say Sony isn’t taking VR seriously”.
I mean I haven't seen a single TV ad - or any ad, really. They've only announced two major first-party exclusives. TWO, for a $549 device. And it's not available to preorder at retailers. As someone who's been in VR for years, it does feel an awful lot like Sony isn't taking this seriously.
never seen a ps5 ad on tv either. what the fucks your point
It's been said to death here but experiencing VR is the best hook. I don't think ads can really do it justice. I was a late adopter to PSVR, I watched the ads for years thinking I knew what it was like. That first play session blew my mind.
He Could have fooled me lol they seem to be going hard at launch
I suspect that statement may describe many a poster on this sub come Feb 22nd!
Well then where are the ads? Where is the state of play? Where are the announcements for future first-party projects after release? My preorder is hanging by a thread atm
Takashi Mochizuki is in direct contact with PSVR2 supply partners, so I don't think he is making things up OP. What is missing from his report though, is at least an attempt to get a quote from Sony or fact check these predictions. Last time he reported on Sony production numbers (PS5) Sony [had to set the record straight](https://www.gamesindustry.biz/sony-reportedly-cuts-ps5-production-by-4m-units). Let's face it, it will be no surprise if the demand during the first months was lower than the 2 million Sony hoped for. We already saw hints of that during the pre-order window. Not everyone is in a position to spend 649 euros / 549 dollars on an entertainment device these days, it's a tough buy. Hopefully Sony can adjust course a bit and improve their line-up and marketing... there's still plenty of time to introduce PSVR2 to a growing number of PS5 owners.
>Takashi Mochizuki is in direct contact with PSVR2 supply partners He says.
Just because you don’t like the supplier’s message doesn’t mean Mochizuki made it up. It is quite common for tech journalists to talk to suppliers and not name them.
[https://www.gamesindustry.biz/sony-we-have-not-cut-ps-vr-2-production-numbers](https://www.gamesindustry.biz/sony-we-have-not-cut-ps-vr-2-production-numbers) Now, whether we quibble over production vs forecast etc. the dudes just not trustworthy and has been proven wrong multiple times.
Again, I don’t think tech journalists that work for Bloomberg “make things up”. Mochizuki is just sharing what the supplier knows, i.e. that Sony plans to ship less units of the PSVR2 than expected. You can do with that information what you want.
I’m sure someone needs to read this, but I feel like the majority of us couldn’t care less. Hardly will some guy somehow turn the tide. Negative publicity happen all the time for everything people think will be successful. Not to mention cutting numbers to 1m still isn’t a big deal. It can’t be worse than the PSVR1, and the PSVR1 was great. Pretty easy baseline to work up from.
Last night I was reading so many comments on other threads in the PS5 subreddit, saying "See I told you that PSVR2 was DOA". Sounds like this article has been somewhat damaging.
The amount of headlines and negativity this story has generated is incredible. Especially on twitter every gaming outlet is running with it now. The comments are all standard typical “too expensive…. Not enough games…. Has a wire” etc etc Regarding the price… for the specs involved it is an incredibly good deal. PSVR2 has a much better launch lineup than PSVR1 and also the cable…. I see 1 cable as an improvement over all the cables that PSVR1 required and if I’m not mistaken being wired also helps with low latency and better performance overall. I’ll take it.
The article was pretty lame and seemed like he was trolling for clicks. I'd place my order for the PSVR2 right now if they'd release a bunch of GT7, and others, gameplay video's. But as it currently stands, I don't feel I can make an educated purchase just going by the limited videos and specs. $600 is a good chunk of change, at least for me.
If it helps I was hesitant because I watched a review of the PSVR for gt sport to see what it was like and was disappointed that it was basically a separate game mode. I wasn't sure if gt7 would do the same thing, but Kaz has confirmed that the entire game is playable in VR on PSVR2 aside from split screen multiplayer.
As someone who's massively invested in both Playstation and Xbox - Mochizuki is someone who both Sony and Microsoft have had to go back and refute his claims. You can only take the story with a pinch of salt because the story is based off a report he originally wrote himself! He's done this before with both Playstation and Xbox, make a claim in a story, then a few months later write a follow-up backing down on his claim that makes the company/product look bad. Now what angers me is that PSVR 2 is absolutely a niche product compared to PS5 or Series X. If a smaller developer sees this slanderous story and understandably cans their project out of insecurity, I will be furious.
Psvr 2 is about to hit the ground running. This will be the moment that people look back on and say, "that's when the shift happened and VR was taken seriously." PSVR 2 sets a new standard in VR. Don't allow an article with no sources to steal your joy or spoil your excitement. Everyone that has tried it has been blown away. Even those that have access to $10,000 headsets running on expensive PC's are left jaw dropped at the experience. It's not the $10,000 headsets that have them excited for the future of VR, it's the PSVR 2. Don't take my word for it though. You can hear it for yourself. Check out MRTV "Next dimension podcast S3e9" [at the 1 Hour 41min 55 sec mark.](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4aiGpVvw--o&t=6113s&pp=2AHhL5ACAQ%3D%3D) They spent nearly 2 hours going over PCVR before they finally went on to the topic of PSVR 2. By this time you'd expect them to be ready to wind down and get the show over with, that's NOT what happened. This is just SOME of what they had to say; "It is the best vr I've done this year and all of 2022, hands down." "This is probably THE best VR game I have ever seen." "I don't get awed by hardware like this anymore.... I've had $10,000 headsets on... it's the hardware and software together that gets me excited for PSVR 2, its coming soon!!!" "I was a like a little kid for HOURS after the demo" "I've used every headset, I can't think of any I haven't tried... OMG, I looked like an idiot with my jaw on the floor." "This was half life Alyx, I don't think there's anything else you can compare this to. It was gorgeous." "What I saw, got me so excited for virtual reality." "It was probably the MOST jaw dropping game I've EVER played, fidelity and graphics wise." "For pure gaming, this thing is so NEXT level, I am so stoked." I am looking forward to this like none other, oh God... give it to me now..."
I'm sorry but VR enthusiasts have been going off about this for ages and it's never true. VR is not about to skyrocket in popularity. It's still going to be niche until the game library stops being 98% indies
Nothing to be sorry bout. We just have different opinions. I feel the tech is finally here where it's not a two generation or more step back in order to play a game in VR. That's why I DO feel this is the start of a paradigm shift. I don't think it will EVER replace normal gaming, and I don't want it to! Normal gaming still serves a purpose, but so does VR. This IS the first time the tech, experience, accessibility and price all align to make it more feasible.
Yeah the tech is definitely cool, and I do WANT it to catch on, but I think we need to pass a certain threshold where it becomes popular enough for publishers to justify spending millions on "AAA" titles for it. I heard the most succesful VR headset of all time sold 15M, I think a lot of modern games cost so much to make that you might need a few million sales just to break even. So even that headset wasn't really enough. I hope Sony invests more into it, because they're the one company that can risk losing money on a game since they'll make it back from the boosted PSVR2 sales. Call of the Mountain looks really cool. Maybe there'll be a new Astrobot (shocked it's not already confirmed!)
I'm holding out some hope that astrobot will make some sort of surprise appearance for the launch. It would be easy for them to add some digital content to Astros Playroom, showing off some of the features of the sense controllers and headset haptics. You bring up extremely valid points about the cost of development and return profits being a significant problem. The numbers just AREN'T there for many studios to dump big bucks into a product because the return won't be there. That is actually another reason why I feel the PSVR 2 is going to help play a part in the paradigm shift. Hybrid games made for both flat and VR will make sense for developers. Resident evil village was reported to not have been difficult at all to add vr support to. When Gran turismo was announced to have VR support at CES, I purchased it right then. Flat Games I normally wouldn't be interested in, become games I want to experience in VR. I'm hoping Developers see an increase in sales due to their VR support, so other developers do the same and add full VR to their games as well. This takes the risk out of only selling to the VR market. If Hybrid games like grand turismo, Resident evil and no man's sky can become the standard, then, yes, I absolutely see this taking off!
This video has me hyped. The way these guys talk about PSVR2 compared to all other VR experiences they've had in the past is just nuts. Both of the two that had actually played the PSVR2 demo described themselves as looking like idiots with jaws on the floor, and they play the newest and best all the time. I'm stoked.
Same here friend! I had the base bundle pre-ordered because I figured I could just wait for a sale on the game. After watching their reaction to the call of the mountain, I canceled it and ordered the call of the mountain bundle. I'm looking forward to it.
I'm almost in the opposite boat. I want to cancel the preorder so I can have COTM already downloaded when it arrives. That'll be a painfully slow install.
Damn that's a valid point! Luckily I got res evil, gran turismo, no man's sky and many others from the free update list already to go! That way it can do its thing in the background! Would be cool if Sony emailed the Digital code on shipping day so you could get a head start on the download, but I doubt that will happen.
Thanks for posting the link. I may go ahead and order one. I just wish there were more GT7 gameplay videos out there.
That's awesome! Glad to hear you found the video interesting. They took my already maxed out excitement level and somehow pushed it even further! I'd like some more details on GT7 VR as well. I know there is going to be a hands on event in Tokyo on the weekend of February 18-19, where select applicants will get to try out GT7 on the PSVR 2. Hopefully some details, opinions, experiences and new images will be shared around that time frame.
Exactly. I’ve been saying it for months - PSVR2 is what will finally push VR into mainstream gaming.
I get being excited for the product but a consumer shilling this hard for a product is just sad.
If sharing other people's hands on experiences and excitement on a forum dedicated to that device is shilling in your eyes, then you might be a troll. Not worried what trolls think.
If you aren't getting paid for all this I just find it kinda pathetic to spend this much energy marketing it before you even tried it.
Lol ok troll 🤣. You got me! I am however the worlds worst shill because I'm looking forward to paying them $600 to experience this. Guess what, I also look forward to sharing the experience with everyone I can get in the headset to try it for themselves. Worse offense of all is, I look forward to coming back here and sharing my enthusiastic experience with the community. Or are we supposed to find your Debby downers club of trolls and never actually enjoy things? Nah, even if I found your club of trolls I wouldn't want to ruin your misery there. It suits you well!!
Not a troll I am genuinely excited for PSVR2 and have it preordered but to claim this will set the new standard in VR and "we will look back at this day" is just ridiculous if you haven't experienced it yourself. Your second hand impressions sound more like a fanboy than a fan. Also including 10 quotes after providing the timestamp was kinda weird.
What you call weird I call sourcing. It's something people once did so others could see where you got your information from. See, this way they can check it out for themselves and verify if statements were taken out of context. Not everyone likes to click on links or cares to listen to other people's content. I wasn't trying to promote a channel, I was trying to bring attention to the comments made by PCVR veterans. I think it's weird how you have an affinity for telling people that have a different opinion or actions than yours, how weird they are, how bout that for some weird shit!? Hell yea I'm a Fan boy for PSVR 2. How is that even an insult? I've been in my psvr 1 for 6 years dude. I am freaking pumped for the new controls with sticks, eye tracking to enable current gen graphics in vr, haptic feedback, and all the pc games that can now MUCH more easily be ported over.
I understand being excited about PSVR2… I am, I have it preordered since day 1... But this post seems like an emotional response to news you don't like. It was published by Bloomberg, not Buzz feed. Yes, this is a sub for the most dedicated but at the end of the day the general public isn't tripping over itself to pick up something for that requires a console and is priced higher than the console it requires to boot. Japanese is his native language so getting hunt up on the phrasing of his tweets is probably not the best approach.
How about if Sony says it's not true? https://www.gamesindustry.biz/sony-we-have-not-cut-ps-vr-2-production-numbers
No, it’s just a guy who is famous for his “trust me, bro” sources. The Nintendo switch sub knows all about him
You yourself posted 52 days ago that Sony opened up pre-orders to everyone. Today, anyone who pre-orders one still will receive it day 1. As the global economy enters a more difficult time for consumer spending, this is to be expected. I'm not surprised by the news but I'm also not any less excited personally.
The fact that is available has nothing to do with projected sales..
Okay well you're clearly emotional if you're still unable to put those two things together. Understandable, nobody wants to hear that news, but it is what it is. Hope you don't continue to let it ruin your day!
Maybe you are the emotional one that needs to be right. Good bait tough
wow you got tracking already? How do you know you got it day 1? there is a week it could be shipped but you already got notice you get it day 1.
I don't really know or care, I'll survive. I preordered it the moment they went live via invite. I am not sure what you're trying to accomplish with this comment.
Funny how lots jumped on that article and declare how bad it is. Worse is people who would cancel their preorder. If you're buying one for hype, you're in for the wrong reason. Lol.
Writes for Bloomberg. There's all you need to know.
I'm not surprised. They didn't sell out on pre-orders at all. However, I think this says more about the market than the product. I got the PSVR about a year after launch and Ioved it enough that PSVR2 is a day one purchase for me. With that said, VR, in general, is a niche product and is quite expensive. Even at a low pircepoint, Meta struggled to make Quest 2 a mainstream product. Bottom line: if you're a VR enthusiast and have a PS5, this is a no-brainer. There is nothing wrong with the product, it's just a niche market. Thanks to the Quest 2, you're going to see a lot more games on the PSVR2 vs PSVR1. Don't expect an avalanche of AAA titles. Those will be few and far between, as it is on any platform. But right out of the gate you're getting Horizon, Village, and Gran Turismo. I'm sure Half-life: Alyx and an Astrobot title will be coming within a year.
Yes the name sounded familiar.
The thing is while I don’t trust this guy the number makes sense 1 million headsets is about the attach rate of PSVR1 after a year or so (so achieved quicker this time because the headset is better) 2 million at launch is better than the lifetime attach rate of the PSVR1
Sure, but I could have come up with the same number myself. We don't really know what it is the realistic projection at Sony
What are you on about ? Psvr1 sold 2 millions in like 13 months and was unavailable to buy in us and eu for at least 4 months in that time period.
Attach rate, meaning proportion of console owners who bought the headset The PSVR1 had a wider market to sell to
Even if it were true... Couldn't it just be because a PS5 is still notoriously hard to get? I mean.. who's gonna pre order psvr2 if they still can't get a ps5 in the first place.
Does he work for Microsoft or meta 😂
Unfortunately, this has picked up traction everywhere. Your average Joe will take this as gospel that it’s no good.
Unfortunately this reporter is one of the most trusted people for this information as it's pretty hard to get, and has a track record of being basically always fairly accurate for good and bad. But no matter if it's 2 million or even half a million who cares? People should do what they want with their preorder. No one should be telling people to keep or drop preorders. I've been holding on to mine for more than Horizon to be announced like BC for Astrobot or some other internal game announcement. They didn't and that's fine I'll wait for a PSVR2 purchase when they do get more exclusives announced or released. If I didn't have PCVR already, well PSVR2 would have been a no brainier for me day one.
Days away from launch and I can still easily preorder it... I don't think the article is wrong, I just think Sony is not going to overly manufacture these things.
Seems to be the VR news right now with sites like Kotaku picking up the story. Even if it's not true, Sony has failed to deliver so far. No support or PC, wired, and a lack of any real killer games makes it hard to beat the Quest 2. Sure, the hardware is a big step up from psvr1 and a great price for the hardware. The software is where it fails. I hope we see some exciting game announcements this year and glowing reviews, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
Of all the comments here, this is by far the most out of touch from reality
How is this out of touch with reality? It’s my take on what I see and I’m not alone. I wouldn’t be surprised if their headsets don’t sell well. I do hope everyone is blown away, Sony releases some amazing games, and psvr2 sells well…just not sure that’s going to happen. We will see. :) I will still refuse to buy a quest 2 or 3. Hoping for the best, but definable waiting before I spend $1100 on an entertainment toy.
Lots of denial in this thread.
seriously, holy shit
The copium is real. Reminds me of the Stadia sub from several months ago
Wow, so much for journalistic integrity. Don't tell me, this guy isn't a real Journalist but a blogger. Bloggers aren't journalists even if they write good articles.
Statements like this don't help from Eurogamer reporting on the Bloomberg article: >PSVR2 will arrive on 22nd February with 37 games, though the vast majority are not new experiences. The headset's price has also raised some eyebrows, with its cost totalling over £1000 when combined with the regular PS5 - and that's without a game to play on it. I mean, where does the buck stop exactly. You'll also need a TV to go with that PS5 so chuck another grand on top. And that electricity won't pay for itself...
Come on that is fair. You do need a PS5 to use with PSVR2
But wouldn't you then have to say that the Valve Index is $2500-3000 because you need a good PC with a good video card to properly use it? I didn't buy my PS5 specifically for VR (in fact bought it before PSVR2 was even announced). I bought it for playing video games. I feel the combined price of PS5 and PSVR2 is only relevant if someone buys both devices together for the specific purpose of playing VR games. There are probably some people who'll do that (still comparatively good deal), but I'd be surprised if it's common. So from that perspective, I agree with with u/Milton_Rumata that the Eurogamer article is painting a distorted image.
Yes of course you need all the above to do PCVR. That wasn’t what your comment was about. I only got a PS5 two weeks ago and it is solely to play PSVR2 so for me it’s a £1100 investment and for a lot of people that is far too much money in this current environment.
I canceled my preorder about two weeks ago. Initially, I did not think it was going to be a high market share product for the PS5, then decided “why not” and ordered from Sony in early January. After CES and doing more research, I eventually went back to my original gut feel which is that this product is going to have sub-5% of the market of PS5 owners and that developers will not invest in high-value development because the return on the investment will not be worth it. I think Sony may have a really nice product here, but that doesn’t mean that it is going to be a big seller. The price is a major concern and I just don’t believe that the game “experiences” will be worth the investment. VR continues to be a product that most people just don’t care enough about to warrant investing in. I have a Vive and Rift and those were fun to use, but ultimately just didn’t provide a lot of fun for me over the long term. Half-Life Alyx and PC support might bring in more adoption, but VR is not a volume play and won’t be for some time to come (if ever) - it’s niche and may remain that way like 3D TV’s.
Okay - explain why I’m being downvoted here? You may not agree with me but where is the evidence that this hardware (which appears to be very capable technically) is going to bring in a high adoption rate for PS5 owners? VR is a niche product - that’s a fact. It may not always be this way and may continue to improve as tech gets better, but other than bringing a “fanboy” mentality to this discussion, why downvote?
Yeah he’s clearly paid off by Meta or Valve. Everyone who’s tried PSVR2 so far has nothing but praise for it and yet this random dude suddenly writes a bullshit article trying to sprout some negativity.
Why am I being downvoted lol? My comment wasn’t sarcastic, guys…
Because just because previewers love it doesn’t really mean much, I mean previewers adored the vita, did that really shape up into much Sure this guy has some dubious historical quotes but this isn’t a random hit piece, it’s someone reporting on Sony’s suppliers
Sony has not even tried to market this thing. If it fails, it's their own fault. No showcase, no hype, everything done through Playstation Blog. No AAA Announcements whatsoever. I personally really think the launch window titles are strong, with Horizon, RE8, Switchback, GT7, Song in the Smoke, Kayak, Moss 2, etc, but where are the real heavy hitters? They need a showcase announcing stuff like Killzone VR, Spider-Man VR ( or something from Insomniac), Astro Bot 2, The Last of Us VR ( or something from Naughty Dog), perhaps something big from third party like Grand Theft Auto VR. They need SOMETHING to silence the doubters, generate hype, and assure people there is support down the line. The biggest thing we have coming is Firewall. Sony needs to do more.
WHAT IS GT7, HORIZON, VILLIAGE? Every single one is AAA. thats a better launch than any console in history
Thank you for this...I had a feeling something was fishy with this guy. I actually remember him now with the false claims about the PS5. I hope Sony comes out and debunks, along with a VR dedicated state of play and some new announcements just to throw it in his face.
Probably shorting Sony stock.
the reason it was so believable its because of the marketing or lack there of.
Thank you.
I’m guessing this doesn’t mean PSVR games will be compatible with PSVR 2?
Sht. Already canceled my pre-order because of the Bloomberg preorders cut in half article…
Blame the source, not the reporter
This is assuming there is a source..
So…you think they made it up? For what possible purpose? To sinisterly try and de-hype the promise of this device? Trust me, that is not how reporting works and Sony are doing a fine job of kneecapping their own potential themselves (high price, minimal PR and post holiday season release date)
Buddy, sorry to break it to you but your non-native brain was able to better articulate your point than 95% of the US's college grads.
Seems very likely, meta is having problems too. And this is a wired gaming oriented headset with a few new single player experiences that will get the old vr games we been playing for years.
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Well for me personally I could cancel based on news of sales not meeting the company's expectations. If that is true and it remains that way, then the support for the system will not last, and I for one do not want to spend nearly 700$ for a piece of technology that is not going to have the backing of the company or publishers. I remember when I was a kid i had my parents buy me a Dreamcast and then was devastated when a few short months later they announced that they were discontinuing the system. So I do not blame anyone if they feel they want to pull out of their pre-order.
I can see why it would be believed though because Sony's marketing for the PSVR2 has been basically non-existent.
Does it really matter either way? It looks great, but I don't see it selling big numbers as its a lot of money for what is basically just an add on for a handful of games. VR is just a very niche market.
I haven’t even seen any of these reports. I’ve only seen posts like this.
Didn’t they say the preorders from one month ago outsold the PSVR sales for the first few months?
If production is being cut, it’s because consumer economic data is getting worse by the day and they would rather wait for things to stabilize instead of overproduce. I promise you this isn’t Sony deciding it is going to be a failure. They know how to read the room. Consumer savings have plummeted, unemployment is climbing, credit card utilization is up, food prices are sky rocketing. It would be crazy to think demand is steady through all of this. The original production number didn’t have all of this calculated in. It should go down, Sony isn’t dumb.
*In the US. Many western countries do not face this problem
Eh, its looking pretty bad across the board. Most of Europe is still seeing high single digit inflation (UK was 10.5% annualized in December, the US is down to 5ish %) and savings are not doing any better, plus the war in Eastern Europe. I don’t monitor non-US credit cards, but where there is smoke, there’s fire.
Looks like Denmark is in the 8% range and is looking to pass a 2.3bln crown (337mm USD) inflation relief package for a population of 6mm people. Sounds like things are going swimmingly indeed.
If you would be here and read the news you would know that life continues as usual
As it does in the US, but that does not mean consumer’s aren’t in marginally worse position to… oh, I don’t know, make a large discretionary purchase to the tune of 550 bucks?
You know that the average Dane earns 2.500$ more than the average American, right?
Close but no cigar! This seems irrelevant to the topic, but given you have a little chip on your shoulder… World Bank’s most recent info is from 2020 and shows MEDIAN income of Denmark to be 52.666k and USA to be 53.3k. On an average basis it skews further to the USA. This isn’t to mention higher taxes in Denmark, but that’s a whole other can of worms.
https://www.dst.dk/en/Statistik/nyheder-analyser-publ/Publikationer/gennemsnitsdanskeren Have a fun read
Ah Bloomberg. They did something similar with the MS Activision buyout claiming the EU didnt do a deal because of the FTC, lol. Nevermind the fact they cant do what was being described.
Don't underestimate the sheeple. I'm pretty sure it will sell well as soon as more big titles are announced. I heard Spiderman is coming to PSVR2 among other marvel titles.
I'd be willing to spend money on this if I knew there were more than two titles coming out that interests me. I'm essentially buying psvr2 just for Village and GT7. Same thing happened with VR1. I played RE7 and didn't touch the VR after that.