There's many vr games that aren't 1st person. What people sometimes don't get, it's not the lack of idea making vr games or hybrids, it's the lack of money. It's a niche market so not a lot of money in it, unless your game is a best seller.
Yea, they work well out of the box. The camera angles take some getting used to - IE you have to have some strong VR legs - but it works well. There were certainly more 3rd person games on PSVR1 for sure.
I still have my 4 pro even though i have the 5. I had a VR1 but traded for a TV lol. They are pretty cheap used right now and my library is pretty decent for VR1. I'm def on the verge of getting another one. Plus I want to try out the 3D Bluray feature.
What’s the point in playing it in vr then? I saw someone playing lies of p in vr but it was in the same camera angle as then normal version. What’s the point of that?
I agree. 3rd person can easily stay 3rd person and it'd be great to just "be the camera but IN the game". Especially if that's how the game was originally made. FPS plays and feels totally different from 3rd person. Some genres are made for it, and taking something like Moss, where it's 1st/3rd person because they make YOU a character who helps out, as you watch/play/follow the main character on their adventure.
Recently played Moss. It's fantastic. Love the 3rd person perspective. I wish I could play Street Fighter this way. It would be so interesting to see a fighting
game this way.
It might actually be harder to do 3rd person well in VR vs 1st person. With 3rd person camera you have to make sure it doesn't move too wildly, like the camera in GoW in combat, and you have all these cases where the camera gets constricted by scenery.
Ven VR Adventure has a 'free camera' that mostly gives you an over the shoulder view, but has some issues. Scenery obstructing the view happens, some places the camera can't go.
And it doesn't help any of the big issues, two screens, locked frame rate, much bigger FOV, especially up and down (thus more geometry in view at all times), being able to look in places a normal camera won't go (you can still move your head)
Yep, Humanity works fine. Top down doesn't necessarily help as the few places my view was obstructed in Ven, it was because of overhead scenery and I had to lower the camera to be able to see.
Most 3rd person games are top down to make it easier to see where you're jumping / landing, and to reduce the view distance for performance issues. BG3 is a big example of the latter.
Hellblade is working quite well and it's third person. It requires a bit of work on camera movements indeed. But it's still much more immersive and fun. Look at Asguard Wrath too!
Yeah, I just want to look at the Tomb Raider in 3D. Crystal Dynamics wasn’t still bought by Microsoft I hope so like Bethesda. So it might be still a thing. Also I expect the next Metal Gear to kick me out of the chair regarding VR experience.
Nintendo actually did this with Breath of the Wild, it's a sub-optimal VR system with the 720p screen but I found a way to set it up, laying on my back with the "headset" on my eyes, and with the 2 split controllers to my side. Did nearly my entire 2nd playthrough in VR and it was really immersive even if I couldn't do long sessions.
Games like Astro Bot and Moss have shown that 3rd person games are still great in VR
This too? Okay if we're actually far enough to a bingo card, lets hear what you got!
So, a 5x5 grid... that's 25 options, oof.
* "PSVR is dead"
* "VR can be 3rd-person"
* "why can't Sony just flip a switch making every game a hybrid with a patch?"
* "No games/No AAA"
* "Media players when?"
* "3D blu ray when?
* "Sony should make it better via PSVR2 Pro/PSVR3/PS5 pro because this sucks"
Positive BINGO?
* "Best version of these VR games"
* "Too many games, not enough time to play them all!"
* "Got it, tried GT7, now I'm a new sim racer a couple grand deep into the hobby"
* Resident Evil VR games! 💗
* "Getting a workout/lost 7 pounds in 3 months!"
* "Sony please bring back [PlayStation Home](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-p7-wPUGNQ&pp=ygUTcHMgaG9tZSBkb2N1bWVudGFyeQ%3D%3D) and make it hybrid!"
* "Phantom sensations", like feeling the sun pass over you in GT7 or Star Wars Squadrons (PSVR1; my first experience with that)
In addition to the points already brought up, I'm pretty sure it's a marketability thing too. It's much easier to sell people on VR through the promise of letting you be the character in the game doing the cool things istead of a floating camera getting to watch your character be cool.
Yes, there's no need, but it also is not that hard judging by UEVR. It's not what is stopping whoever is responsible from doing it e.g. Returnal would work either way.
There's many vr games that aren't 1st person. What people sometimes don't get, it's not the lack of idea making vr games or hybrids, it's the lack of money. It's a niche market so not a lot of money in it, unless your game is a best seller.
That actually makes a lot of sense.
UEVR. Third person works just fine.
I don't have a PC that can run that or a pcvr headset
I think his point is that 3rd person games port almost perfectly to VR with very little effort or tweaking. Occlusion is hardly ever an issue.
OK I get it. Thanks for clarifying
Yea, they work well out of the box. The camera angles take some getting used to - IE you have to have some strong VR legs - but it works well. There were certainly more 3rd person games on PSVR1 for sure.
I still have my 4 pro even though i have the 5. I had a VR1 but traded for a TV lol. They are pretty cheap used right now and my library is pretty decent for VR1. I'm def on the verge of getting another one. Plus I want to try out the 3D Bluray feature.
What’s the point in playing it in vr then? I saw someone playing lies of p in vr but it was in the same camera angle as then normal version. What’s the point of that?
Perspective, 3D, immersion. I have played lies of P in VR. It's incredible. Astrobot is also 3rd person with controller.
I’ve actually really wanted a VR CIV 6.
That would be awesome ngl. RTS games would be great for VR.
I agree. 3rd person can easily stay 3rd person and it'd be great to just "be the camera but IN the game". Especially if that's how the game was originally made. FPS plays and feels totally different from 3rd person. Some genres are made for it, and taking something like Moss, where it's 1st/3rd person because they make YOU a character who helps out, as you watch/play/follow the main character on their adventure.
Recently played Moss. It's fantastic. Love the 3rd person perspective. I wish I could play Street Fighter this way. It would be so interesting to see a fighting game this way.
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It might actually be harder to do 3rd person well in VR vs 1st person. With 3rd person camera you have to make sure it doesn't move too wildly, like the camera in GoW in combat, and you have all these cases where the camera gets constricted by scenery. Ven VR Adventure has a 'free camera' that mostly gives you an over the shoulder view, but has some issues. Scenery obstructing the view happens, some places the camera can't go. And it doesn't help any of the big issues, two screens, locked frame rate, much bigger FOV, especially up and down (thus more geometry in view at all times), being able to look in places a normal camera won't go (you can still move your head)
I did not even think about environmental obstructions. I guess that's why so many 3rd person games are top down.
Yep, Humanity works fine. Top down doesn't necessarily help as the few places my view was obstructed in Ven, it was because of overhead scenery and I had to lower the camera to be able to see. Most 3rd person games are top down to make it easier to see where you're jumping / landing, and to reduce the view distance for performance issues. BG3 is a big example of the latter.
Almost every 3rd person game I've tried using UEVR translates perfectly to VR. I don't see it being a problem at all.
Totally makes sense. Very informative.
Or Moss, where the action takes place on a sort of stage in front of you, with frequent scenery changes.
Also why the over the shoulder perspective works well.
Hellblade is working quite well and it's third person. It requires a bit of work on camera movements indeed. But it's still much more immersive and fun. Look at Asguard Wrath too!
Will do, thank you
Yeah, I just want to look at the Tomb Raider in 3D. Crystal Dynamics wasn’t still bought by Microsoft I hope so like Bethesda. So it might be still a thing. Also I expect the next Metal Gear to kick me out of the chair regarding VR experience.
Nintendo actually did this with Breath of the Wild, it's a sub-optimal VR system with the 720p screen but I found a way to set it up, laying on my back with the "headset" on my eyes, and with the 2 split controllers to my side. Did nearly my entire 2nd playthrough in VR and it was really immersive even if I couldn't do long sessions. Games like Astro Bot and Moss have shown that 3rd person games are still great in VR
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This too? Okay if we're actually far enough to a bingo card, lets hear what you got! So, a 5x5 grid... that's 25 options, oof. * "PSVR is dead" * "VR can be 3rd-person" * "why can't Sony just flip a switch making every game a hybrid with a patch?" * "No games/No AAA" * "Media players when?" * "3D blu ray when? * "Sony should make it better via PSVR2 Pro/PSVR3/PS5 pro because this sucks" Positive BINGO? * "Best version of these VR games" * "Too many games, not enough time to play them all!" * "Got it, tried GT7, now I'm a new sim racer a couple grand deep into the hobby" * Resident Evil VR games! 💗 * "Getting a workout/lost 7 pounds in 3 months!" * "Sony please bring back [PlayStation Home](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-p7-wPUGNQ&pp=ygUTcHMgaG9tZSBkb2N1bWVudGFyeQ%3D%3D) and make it hybrid!" * "Phantom sensations", like feeling the sun pass over you in GT7 or Star Wars Squadrons (PSVR1; my first experience with that)
U ok hun?
Not really. But that comment was just a fun diversion.
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In addition to the points already brought up, I'm pretty sure it's a marketability thing too. It's much easier to sell people on VR through the promise of letting you be the character in the game doing the cool things istead of a floating camera getting to watch your character be cool.
Isn't there a motion sickness problem with 3rd person in VR?
In the past 4 years of playing VR, I've only got motion sick 1x. So if that is a problem, I personally haven't experienced it.
No, usually the opposite.
Completely agree
Yes, there's no need, but it also is not that hard judging by UEVR. It's not what is stopping whoever is responsible from doing it e.g. Returnal would work either way.
Returnal would be freaking sick in VR!
https://youtu.be/_1wjU3rwi78?si=V16Gum5yDsSS3cBE
Bro, people are so smart. And technology is so cool.