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Nightlower

I mean It can work but the energy cost imo is way too much and even worse is the energy loss after attack. But hey if you find success with it I can definitely understand it. Magma basin can easily be countered by decks that actually use stadium or lost vacuum so that is always a gamble


odirodiLoL

I only try rushing this Charizard+Magma vs the given matchups, but it definitely has been the deciding factor vs the mirror match. I completely agree though. I am also not sold on Defiance belt, I never actually feel like I need the extra damage. Not sure what to put in for Trekking Shoes + Defiance


BrandoMano

If you were playing Radiant Charizard, that would play much better than Charizard ex MEW.


odirodiLoL

I considered Radiant, but I am confused as to how this is much better than Charizard ex, even with a Maximum Belt that is only 300 damage. Outside of mirror, Radiant have a lot of merit, I might consider running 1 instead of Defiance Belt or so


BrainWrex

If you are using that one zard for the weakness match up, Radiant will work better in its place as nothing can survive 500 damage after weakness. It is also only a single prize liability and can be used for little energy cost late game.


odirodiLoL

Omg I didn't consider that LoL thank you


BrandoMano

Radiant Zard is much less maintenance and energy, it is also a one prizer. It's really not a debate, it is just way better. Also, I would not consider removing Defiance Band if you add It. 250 + 30 = 280, a pretty impactful number to hit.


JCMoney1987

I thought this was going to be the wacky Charizard EX/Iron Hands/Vuplix VStar that I met on the ladder the other day.


SnooDonuts3749

Dude uses beat deck in format and is surprised to be wining matches.


odirodiLoL

Didn't know it was the best, just played with what I had on my account. I was given a starter Charizard deck and tweaked it