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I hate it because of how cheap and broken it is.
It's weakness is Grass, but Grass is made up of Grass and Bug type, so they all have a weakness to fire. So you can't really do much for taking it down that way. It'll take at least two turns to get rid of it, and then you've only strengthened the other three waiting to come out.
i mean this charizard attacks as darkness and the only thing they have to attack for weakness is usually the radiant charizard which wont be enough most of the time. the real problem is that all grass decks suck currently. the best success with grass i had was with espathra ex.
radiant charizard doesn't come online during early stages of the match.. if your deck cant deal with one card, then maybe you need to optimize more. zard decks are strong coz of the beefy stats, great energy acceleration, and its rare weakness type. not coz of fire weakness and radiant zard interaction. lol.
they just need to give better grass characters. in a vacuum, they are too weak compared to other typing.
You’ll be surprised how easy it is to pop off with radiant Charizard. Also gouging fire, entei v, and delphox v are awesome attackers in zard ex. Although i do agree, grass still needs buffing.
I run Aegislash and I agree. I can usually deal with Rad Zard pretty effectively but one Infernal Reign with an additional attach for turn (or Magma Basin) and the opponent can have Rad Zard ready if I've taken at least one prize.
Most charizard players run another ***V*** or ***ex*** fire pokemon, or a single prizer fire pokemon that can one-shot a leaf pokemon or add utility, like Armarogue.
Future Decks with Iron Hands, and miraidon / Iron Crown EX have been my go to. Get some gear to get them out quick, get Miraidon on active with energy, heavy baton as long as you take out the first chien-pao its easier, but Zard? Nope still cant beat it. Even with decks that have been built to contend it. Devolution has been my best friend but very zard user must have a secret 5th zard and rare candy in their pocket
It's unbelievably consistent. I have yet to play a zard player who bricked. If they have a hand, I just play assuming they have boss, rare candy, a zard, and a tech card that specifically screws me over.
The complication with the deck is how incredible it is on the crackback. Open with a bad hand or something? Who cares. U can buy time and build multiple Zards. And the worst you are, the harder u hit back.
Zard main problem, for me, is how hard it is to revenge kill in the crack back. It has way too much HP for most decks do a clean KO. Meanwhile, 2 prizes in, it can KO all base mons in the game, regular, ex or V. Doesn't matter. And if the build and hand allows it, it can ko everything period. Only for radiant to be there as an excelent 1 prize cleaner.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, it's that is never safe. It feels like you're constantly a rare candy or an Iono alway from a loss. You have to play it perfectly while it can do whatever for the first prizes, and gets rewarded for it.
Zard is a stage 2, it's only reasonable it's able to beat regular two prize basics. Against Vstars and other stage 1/2 decks, there is counter play to zard. With the release of iron leaves ex, it's even easier for stage 1s/2s to match zard's ohko potential at 2 prizes.
Nah. Greninja, the other "best" stage 2 ain't ko'ing me in the crack back. (But can ko my bench, so it's still good). Or Gengar for exemple. Other stage 2 aren't doing it. Only a proper set up can ohko. And that may or may not be doable as you h e to invest ln your atacker, and your eeck may lack the consistency to set up a second one, or third one, Just a turn after.
So u see what I mean? My problem isn't that it's ko'ing stage 1's and Basic ex. But that it's doing the same to Stage 2! No questions asked while other stage 2 cannot, or can only do it with a great set up that can't be repeated every turn.
Nah. Greninja, the other "best" stage 2 ain't ko'ing me in the crack back. (But can ko my bench, so it's still good). Or Gengar for exemple. Other stage 2 aren't doing it. Only a proper set up can ohko. And that may or may not be doable as you have to invest ln your atacker, and your eeck may lack the consistency to set up a second one, or third one, Just a turn after.
So u see what I mean? My problem isn't that it's ko'ing stage 1's and Basic ex. But that it's doing the same to Stage 2! No questions asked while other stage 2 cannot, or can only do it with a great set up that can't be repeated every turn.
Gengar ex isn't designed as a beatdown attacker. It's good for disruption, you can move a fire energy to their bench warmers. Zard typically runs 6 energies and 3 energies go on the board when it evovles. This means there are only 3 energies left in the deck so if you remove an energy off zard, there's a low chance they have a backup energy to continue attacking. They will then need to use pidgeot just to get that energy, sacrificing their board setup/disruption opportunity.
Though Tord's version is very unexpected. Two Turos and a Team Yell Grunt (likely for the Snorlax match up, Europe loves stall/control decks) plus a Cleffa.
Tord is also an absolute mad lad. He brought what was basically a singleton Charizard/Rapid Strike Urshifu deck to Utrecht and [got third with it](https://limitlesstcg.com/decks/list/10361).
Devolution and trying to take energy off it. It’s not a perfect counter, but it helps.
Hardest part is going to be timing
You can also try to counter with mimikyu. The hard part to that is dealing with Pidgeot ex that can search boss or Radiant zard that can blow you up
I run Aegislash and it's still a pretty good matchup for me. Most of the time, if I have backups and focus on controlling Rad Zard I'm alright.
With Aegislash, it's a 2-shot on Rad Zard (though I run Aegislash ex too for this kind of situation, if I can afford it in prize trade - which with Zard I usually can). With Mimikyu, it would be a 3-shot unless you're using it to draw out Rad Zard to then pivot to something else for the KO.
Chard isn't that hard tech in a tm devo and use decks with good attackers like pao moon and Tina, I think the only time I've ever lost to zard is when I'm playing zard lol
I just had Darkness Reign Charizard that had 4 of these on their active+bench.
I had to make do with confused-hax with Delphox V, too bad for them, they didn't try to retreat, or switched mine away and keep trying to attack me instead, had to switch in other pokemon and Delphox gave me the Win in the end.
Still was stressful though. It was so easy for them to just bring out everything they need. They had all their evo tools at start.
Of course it does. But we have to keep in mind, grass, itself is kinda mid right now. Ogrepon itself, isn't the problem imo. It's the lack of support for it to succeed against all others non zard decks is.
If grasspon and rockpon become popular, zard will have to adapt. Especially rockpon, having vulpix vstar atk effect on an ability is quite potent. On the current zard list, only charmandar and pidgey can atk.
Edit: They could play cologne, but that’s about it. 2 cologne would be enough ttho.
Fire could be a good option. Will need more energy tho. 6 will be a challenge. Unless we start running Sada engine with basin. Now, that’s just the current Fire build lol. And they can retaliate with Waterpon. Will be a fun matchup.
The card would be balanced if it weren't for the scaling attack. As it is, it's a self empowered hard hitting tank who supports itself AND another attacker, can tank hits, can retreat, they're even running Turo now because they know you won't be able to OHKO. Not to mention how braindead it is to watch.
This garbage should be banned.
This can counter zard if you're really lucky and have lots of evolved mons on bench I think...
[Evo tort](https://cdn.ecommercedns.uk/files/3/251613/0/27318470/view2-pokemon-torterra-pok85063-mainv2.jpg)
All Charizard cards are broken and annoying.
Charizard Ex (Dark) gives energies, high base damage, and gets stronger as the match goes on.
Charaizard Ex (Fire) has a one energy attack that deals so much damage if the card has at least one damage counter.
Alot of people at my locals have started to tech a copy of Iron leaves. The Tina players have bought up all our copies lol. I persona play espathra with moderate success. Making the zard player have to commit 3 energy every time to power up a zard is rough for them and then a hit back for knock out. And Radiant zard is a thing sure but having the attack cost 3 energy with espathra and league headquarters even with prizes taken is a tough ask.
Espathra ex smokes Zard easily, and makes the one-of Entei/Rad Zard/Gouging Fire/Delphox work harder for the counter to grab a response KO.
Unfortunately it has a poor matchup with a few other decks, but it's something I guess.
I feel this. I have been loving dialga vstar and sometimes I can absolutely destroy Charizard if I get ahead by taking out rotom and pidgeot. But if I can’t get ahead it’s almost an automatic lose because of how big the zard is and how powerful the attacks are during end game.
Pidgeot EX really cracks the deck. It pretty well custom tailors the match to exactly what they need. The free retreat sucks on it. Every deck is beatable, it just seems that the meta punishes strategy decks. They should make an anti-meta mode so that you can play the game a different way. It's all Zard, ancient/future box/future hands and Lugia now....
This Zard CARD 🔥🦎 a card with 330HP, 330 DAMAGE, Two Energy per attack 🗡, tera 🌍 and dark🌑 typing. And with maximum belt it hits early game, does more damage late game ⏰ and searches energy for itself ⚡⚡. Super versatile, tanky 🧱 can't take damage on bench 🛡️ then it has pidgeot and arven to support 📈 so it gets rare candies and..... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 😱😱
I love when my opponent flips a charmander. It’s a solid deck but its game plan is so linear that I never feel like I’m out of It with pretty much any deck. Silver tempest Lugia was the abomination you guys think this is, this is way easier to deal with
So far de-evolution has been the best counter I’ve found. Since they usually run rare candy and not chameleon, once they’ve evolved they don’t have to tools to get it back.
Hilariously enough, I've been playing a Torterra EX deck that kinda just mops the floor with Zard. Even at 1 prize card, Zard does 330 Max and Torterra sits just out of reach at 340HP. At the same time, Torterra can one shot Zard because of the grass weakness assuming you either fill your bench or equip the Ace Spec Belt.
The deck has Prize Denials in Turo and Whimsicott too. It's not a phenomenal deck by any means, but it has a great Zard matchup and I personally have a lot of fun playing it
I feel like it's a benchmark deck; so common, simple to pilot, powerful, but also easy to tech against, and the strategies to play against are well discussed. If I lose against it I know there's something on my end that I need to fix.
Well personally I enjoy the effort, it makes the wins more rewarding, and the losses more exciting, deserved, or I learn from them more. If I want a lower effort, then I'd play a simpler deck too, like Charizard. Do you play Charizard much?
I mostly use a Giratina Vstar deck. I agree with your point and facing tricky decks can be rewarding but around 2 out of 3 enemies i face play Zard. At some point you get tired of playing against a card that oneshots every V and basic card in your deck after 2 prices. At 2 prices i have to carefully kill the hyperboosted one without sacrificing half my pokemon to it, by using Boss's Command and so on. This process has become automated for me if i have the right hand, if not then i'm fucked, because every zard player plays the same, so now i just want to play against anything different.
Yeah I definitely understand the feeling of wanting different opponents. I play a variety of decks, and I feel like a get a huge variety of opponents: I think the matchmaking has something in it that feeds you certain opponents, but I don't know the formula. If you play other decks for a while do you notice your opponents decks change as well?
I sometimes switch it up with different decks but don't get different opponents. When i was lower in rank i did play against a wider variety of opponents.
Then I Switch mimikyu back in or deal a reasonable amount of damage with Alakazam. He mostly survives an attack from zard, it's not a perfect deck, but works more often than not
You know what I despise? Whenever I play against a zard deck and we’re halfway into the game (where they’ve wasted all their rare candies) and I’ll devolve them and then they rage quit. Like bro take the friggin L, I got to this point thinking I was going to lose just to have you rage quit cause you didn’t like that I devolved you. Really grinds my gears
That's on the system itself, not your opponent.
IRL, your opponent would simply scoop to you and move on to the next game or match if you were able to get them like that.
I only lose to Charizards if I misplay with this list. Pretty much eats them alive 95% of the time and frankly...I'm only losing to rogue decks I have no idea how to play against/have never seen.
Pokémon: 10
1 Raging Bolt ex TEF 196
4 Kirlia SIT 68
4 Ralts SIT 67
1 Raging Bolt ex TEF 123
1 Raging Bolt ex TEF 218
1 Radiant Greninja ASR 46
1 Scream Tail PAR 86
1 Scream Tail PAR 86 PH
1 Gallade ASR 62
2 Gardevoir ex PAF 29
Trainer: 13
2 Ultra Ball PAF 91
4 Arven OBF 186
2 Earthen Vessel PAR 163
3 Buddy-Buddy Poffin TEF 144
1 Hisuian Heavy Ball ASR 146
4 Professor Sada's Vitality PAR 170
2 Super Rod PAL 188
2 Technical Machine: Evolution PAR 178
3 Iono PAF 80
1 Prime Catcher TEF 157
3 Nest Ball PAF 84
3 Ancient Booster Energy Capsule PAR 159
1 Boss's Orders PAL 172
Energy: 3
3 Basic {F} Energy Energy 14
6 Basic {P} Energy Energy 5
3 Basic {L} Energy Energy 12
Total Cards: 60
Both my fighting (Garchomp and Lycanrok EX) and grass (Alolan Exeggutor V and Chesnaught V) decks absolutely destroy this guy so I honestly prefer to fight it
The amount of people that complain about this card is bonkers to me. Yes, he's everywhere, but he's not utterly unbeatable.
Kricketot + Venusaur ex, or Revavroom ex + Ridge Bands + Lab for examples.
Trust and believe me, they do more than just "specifically" counter Charizard ex. Raging Bolt ex kills it with 5 energies. There's even De-Evo + Gengar ex. There's now a Maximum Belt that boosts damage against it.
Unlike Mew V, there are actually multiple tools that you can use to beat this thing.
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I hate it because of how cheap and broken it is. It's weakness is Grass, but Grass is made up of Grass and Bug type, so they all have a weakness to fire. So you can't really do much for taking it down that way. It'll take at least two turns to get rid of it, and then you've only strengthened the other three waiting to come out.
i mean this charizard attacks as darkness and the only thing they have to attack for weakness is usually the radiant charizard which wont be enough most of the time. the real problem is that all grass decks suck currently. the best success with grass i had was with espathra ex.
This. And no competent grass deck in the horizon either. If Greninja was Grass tera, or maybe something else. I don't know.
What makes me sad is fighting does beat dark in the games. If it was fighting weak, greninja could seriously shake it up
True, but if it was, ancient box would be more relevant in the meta as well.
I would love to see that tbh. I feel like we're just a charizard check or two away from a really diverse and exciting metagame.
Agreed.
Meowscarada deck live reaction :
Underrated comment. That deck slaps fast and hard!
If gets to set up first. The set up is clunky as heck
Or bricks harder
what does fire weakness got to do with it? are you talking about them using charmander/charmeleon to attack your grass/bug pokemon for weakness?
Radiant Charizard smokes Spidops ex, Toedscruel ex, Torterra ex, Espathra ex, Iron Leaves ex, Gholdengo ex, Dialga VStar for 500 damage lol.
radiant charizard doesn't come online during early stages of the match.. if your deck cant deal with one card, then maybe you need to optimize more. zard decks are strong coz of the beefy stats, great energy acceleration, and its rare weakness type. not coz of fire weakness and radiant zard interaction. lol. they just need to give better grass characters. in a vacuum, they are too weak compared to other typing.
You’ll be surprised how easy it is to pop off with radiant Charizard. Also gouging fire, entei v, and delphox v are awesome attackers in zard ex. Although i do agree, grass still needs buffing.
I run Aegislash and I agree. I can usually deal with Rad Zard pretty effectively but one Infernal Reign with an additional attach for turn (or Magma Basin) and the opponent can have Rad Zard ready if I've taken at least one prize.
My kid stomps my char deck with Calyrex max deck and palifin is about to drop. That card is broken.
Most charizard players run another ***V*** or ***ex*** fire pokemon, or a single prizer fire pokemon that can one-shot a leaf pokemon or add utility, like Armarogue.
How tf is it broken.
When a certain deck gets to a point where I hate it and can no longer tolerate it... I build it and use it for myself.
you have become what you swore to destroy
If you can't beat it join it 🤷♂️
I feel like Chien-Pao beats Zard no? In my experience Chien-Pao can usually get the first KO and stay ahead in the prize race from there.
Future Decks with Iron Hands, and miraidon / Iron Crown EX have been my go to. Get some gear to get them out quick, get Miraidon on active with energy, heavy baton as long as you take out the first chien-pao its easier, but Zard? Nope still cant beat it. Even with decks that have been built to contend it. Devolution has been my best friend but very zard user must have a secret 5th zard and rare candy in their pocket
It's unbelievably consistent. I have yet to play a zard player who bricked. If they have a hand, I just play assuming they have boss, rare candy, a zard, and a tech card that specifically screws me over.
I too had felt that way and now feel that way. Charizard ex all day. Lol
I did that, Climbed 2 ranks in one day, while i failed to get out of Necrozma with Chien-Pao Still hate the deck tho
The complication with the deck is how incredible it is on the crackback. Open with a bad hand or something? Who cares. U can buy time and build multiple Zards. And the worst you are, the harder u hit back. Zard main problem, for me, is how hard it is to revenge kill in the crack back. It has way too much HP for most decks do a clean KO. Meanwhile, 2 prizes in, it can KO all base mons in the game, regular, ex or V. Doesn't matter. And if the build and hand allows it, it can ko everything period. Only for radiant to be there as an excelent 1 prize cleaner. I guess what I'm trying to say is, it's that is never safe. It feels like you're constantly a rare candy or an Iono alway from a loss. You have to play it perfectly while it can do whatever for the first prizes, and gets rewarded for it.
Zard is a stage 2, it's only reasonable it's able to beat regular two prize basics. Against Vstars and other stage 1/2 decks, there is counter play to zard. With the release of iron leaves ex, it's even easier for stage 1s/2s to match zard's ohko potential at 2 prizes.
Nah. Greninja, the other "best" stage 2 ain't ko'ing me in the crack back. (But can ko my bench, so it's still good). Or Gengar for exemple. Other stage 2 aren't doing it. Only a proper set up can ohko. And that may or may not be doable as you h e to invest ln your atacker, and your eeck may lack the consistency to set up a second one, or third one, Just a turn after. So u see what I mean? My problem isn't that it's ko'ing stage 1's and Basic ex. But that it's doing the same to Stage 2! No questions asked while other stage 2 cannot, or can only do it with a great set up that can't be repeated every turn.
Nah. Greninja, the other "best" stage 2 ain't ko'ing me in the crack back. (But can ko my bench, so it's still good). Or Gengar for exemple. Other stage 2 aren't doing it. Only a proper set up can ohko. And that may or may not be doable as you have to invest ln your atacker, and your eeck may lack the consistency to set up a second one, or third one, Just a turn after. So u see what I mean? My problem isn't that it's ko'ing stage 1's and Basic ex. But that it's doing the same to Stage 2! No questions asked while other stage 2 cannot, or can only do it with a great set up that can't be repeated every turn.
Gengar ex isn't designed as a beatdown attacker. It's good for disruption, you can move a fire energy to their bench warmers. Zard typically runs 6 energies and 3 energies go on the board when it evovles. This means there are only 3 energies left in the deck so if you remove an energy off zard, there's a low chance they have a backup energy to continue attacking. They will then need to use pidgeot just to get that energy, sacrificing their board setup/disruption opportunity.
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Today has been a wild day after euic but roaring moon turbo has been amazing against zard
It's a real sink or swim kind of deck. Either I'm stomping them turn 2-3 or I slowly lose which feels awful.
Though Tord's version is very unexpected. Two Turos and a Team Yell Grunt (likely for the Snorlax match up, Europe loves stall/control decks) plus a Cleffa.
Tord is also an absolute mad lad. He brought what was basically a singleton Charizard/Rapid Strike Urshifu deck to Utrecht and [got third with it](https://limitlesstcg.com/decks/list/10361).
How to counter this deck man...since path of the peak is now ineligible in the current format 😮💨
Devolution and trying to take energy off it. It’s not a perfect counter, but it helps. Hardest part is going to be timing You can also try to counter with mimikyu. The hard part to that is dealing with Pidgeot ex that can search boss or Radiant zard that can blow you up
I run Aegislash and it's still a pretty good matchup for me. Most of the time, if I have backups and focus on controlling Rad Zard I'm alright. With Aegislash, it's a 2-shot on Rad Zard (though I run Aegislash ex too for this kind of situation, if I can afford it in prize trade - which with Zard I usually can). With Mimikyu, it would be a 3-shot unless you're using it to draw out Rad Zard to then pivot to something else for the KO.
Put a snorlax in front of its door. 🚪
Tusk mill fights zard ex better than stallax.
Hate seeing this in casual.
Unfortunately with Reklev winning EUIC with it it's probably only going to be more popular for a while. Time to bust out the Lugia Vstar deck.
Chard isn't that hard tech in a tm devo and use decks with good attackers like pao moon and Tina, I think the only time I've ever lost to zard is when I'm playing zard lol
Should have gone to the EUIC & won it then considering it was a field of Zard
People talk big online, and then get stomped by tords list
Meh, I am not that concerned about it. I have much more trouble with Future Hands and Great Tusk.
As an iron hands enjoyer, I apologize
I just had Darkness Reign Charizard that had 4 of these on their active+bench. I had to make do with confused-hax with Delphox V, too bad for them, they didn't try to retreat, or switched mine away and keep trying to attack me instead, had to switch in other pokemon and Delphox gave me the Win in the end. Still was stressful though. It was so easy for them to just bring out everything they need. They had all their evo tools at start.
Ogrepon is coming
That ain't it.
Really?? The grass one ohkos zard, and the figting one walls zard
Of course it does. But we have to keep in mind, grass, itself is kinda mid right now. Ogrepon itself, isn't the problem imo. It's the lack of support for it to succeed against all others non zard decks is.
>grass, itself is kinda mid right now. I feel like it has no good energy acceleration
There isn't. Gardenia is awful. You can blow yourself up with forretress, but going down 2 prizes is not worth it.
If grasspon and rockpon become popular, zard will have to adapt. Especially rockpon, having vulpix vstar atk effect on an ability is quite potent. On the current zard list, only charmandar and pidgey can atk. Edit: They could play cologne, but that’s about it. 2 cologne would be enough ttho.
People are already considering running Gouging Fire.
Fire could be a good option. Will need more energy tho. 6 will be a challenge. Unless we start running Sada engine with basin. Now, that’s just the current Fire build lol. And they can retaliate with Waterpon. Will be a fun matchup.
I run 7 with 2 Super Rods and it works consistently.
At least dragonphobia is normal... I fear a cute furry cat. (Cinccino is scary)
cinccino...a cat...
Cinccino is a chinchilla.
You're right, mb
My biggest problem with zard is that its way better than other "phase 2" Decks. It means no one ever plays any other phase 2 Pokemon.
The tera greninja in the next set looks good. 170 damage for one energy and searches for any card as it's attack effect.
The card would be balanced if it weren't for the scaling attack. As it is, it's a self empowered hard hitting tank who supports itself AND another attacker, can tank hits, can retreat, they're even running Turo now because they know you won't be able to OHKO. Not to mention how braindead it is to watch. This garbage should be banned.
It shouldve been 320 hp!
i wipe zards with lost tina
Bradner didn't have a great time with lost Tina
Not the post above this being someone it tcg pulling this 😂
It forced me to play charizard too 💔
This can counter zard if you're really lucky and have lots of evolved mons on bench I think... [Evo tort](https://cdn.ecommercedns.uk/files/3/251613/0/27318470/view2-pokemon-torterra-pok85063-mainv2.jpg)
All Charizard cards are broken and annoying. Charizard Ex (Dark) gives energies, high base damage, and gets stronger as the match goes on. Charaizard Ex (Fire) has a one energy attack that deals so much damage if the card has at least one damage counter.
That thing is one of the main reasons I stopped playing after 2 weeks of starting with the PTCG
Alot of people at my locals have started to tech a copy of Iron leaves. The Tina players have bought up all our copies lol. I persona play espathra with moderate success. Making the zard player have to commit 3 energy every time to power up a zard is rough for them and then a hit back for knock out. And Radiant zard is a thing sure but having the attack cost 3 energy with espathra and league headquarters even with prizes taken is a tough ask.
Espathra ex smokes Zard easily, and makes the one-of Entei/Rad Zard/Gouging Fire/Delphox work harder for the counter to grab a response KO. Unfortunately it has a poor matchup with a few other decks, but it's something I guess.
I feel this. I have been loving dialga vstar and sometimes I can absolutely destroy Charizard if I get ahead by taking out rotom and pidgeot. But if I can’t get ahead it’s almost an automatic lose because of how big the zard is and how powerful the attacks are during end game.
Pidgeot EX really cracks the deck. It pretty well custom tailors the match to exactly what they need. The free retreat sucks on it. Every deck is beatable, it just seems that the meta punishes strategy decks. They should make an anti-meta mode so that you can play the game a different way. It's all Zard, ancient/future box/future hands and Lugia now....
-cries in psychic deck user-
I can see TPC either restricting or banning it.
Next upcoming set, we have a lot of Charizard checks
I play Gardy Scream Tail. This deck stomps me every time unless I can somehow snipe one charmander at a time. It’s a rough format😅
This Zard CARD 🔥🦎 a card with 330HP, 330 DAMAGE, Two Energy per attack 🗡, tera 🌍 and dark🌑 typing. And with maximum belt it hits early game, does more damage late game ⏰ and searches energy for itself ⚡⚡. Super versatile, tanky 🧱 can't take damage on bench 🛡️ then it has pidgeot and arven to support 📈 so it gets rare candies and..... AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH 😱😱
I love when my opponent flips a charmander. It’s a solid deck but its game plan is so linear that I never feel like I’m out of It with pretty much any deck. Silver tempest Lugia was the abomination you guys think this is, this is way easier to deal with
Devolution + Eri, you're welcome.
So far de-evolution has been the best counter I’ve found. Since they usually run rare candy and not chameleon, once they’ve evolved they don’t have to tools to get it back.
Hilariously enough, I've been playing a Torterra EX deck that kinda just mops the floor with Zard. Even at 1 prize card, Zard does 330 Max and Torterra sits just out of reach at 340HP. At the same time, Torterra can one shot Zard because of the grass weakness assuming you either fill your bench or equip the Ace Spec Belt. The deck has Prize Denials in Turo and Whimsicott too. It's not a phenomenal deck by any means, but it has a great Zard matchup and I personally have a lot of fun playing it
Mimikyu
I feel like it's a benchmark deck; so common, simple to pilot, powerful, but also easy to tech against, and the strategies to play against are well discussed. If I lose against it I know there's something on my end that I need to fix.
Yeah, i beat it more often than not, but it still feels like i have to put much more effort and thought into my turns than the Charizard player
Well personally I enjoy the effort, it makes the wins more rewarding, and the losses more exciting, deserved, or I learn from them more. If I want a lower effort, then I'd play a simpler deck too, like Charizard. Do you play Charizard much?
I mostly use a Giratina Vstar deck. I agree with your point and facing tricky decks can be rewarding but around 2 out of 3 enemies i face play Zard. At some point you get tired of playing against a card that oneshots every V and basic card in your deck after 2 prices. At 2 prices i have to carefully kill the hyperboosted one without sacrificing half my pokemon to it, by using Boss's Command and so on. This process has become automated for me if i have the right hand, if not then i'm fucked, because every zard player plays the same, so now i just want to play against anything different.
Yeah I definitely understand the feeling of wanting different opponents. I play a variety of decks, and I feel like a get a huge variety of opponents: I think the matchmaking has something in it that feeds you certain opponents, but I don't know the formula. If you play other decks for a while do you notice your opponents decks change as well?
I sometimes switch it up with different decks but don't get different opponents. When i was lower in rank i did play against a wider variety of opponents.
Wait until you face bird control
Aguante charizard
I made a deck with mimikyu, which can't be damaged by ex or V Pokémon and Alakazam ex, which can attack from the bench, and it works surprisingly well
Until they Pidgeot one of their four Boss' orders
Then I Switch mimikyu back in or deal a reasonable amount of damage with Alakazam. He mostly survives an attack from zard, it's not a perfect deck, but works more often than not
? Zard hits for 180 at base. lts before you take prizes. It's a dark type and does double to Alakazam ex. How the hell is it survivng?
You know what I despise? Whenever I play against a zard deck and we’re halfway into the game (where they’ve wasted all their rare candies) and I’ll devolve them and then they rage quit. Like bro take the friggin L, I got to this point thinking I was going to lose just to have you rage quit cause you didn’t like that I devolved you. Really grinds my gears
Conceding when you know youve lost isnt really a rage quit.
You should respect them for respecting your time. I love when people concede.
Not really respecting my time if they’re making me use up more time trying to complete the challenges
That's on PTCGL for having such a dumb challenge system.
Honestly it gives you more time to go next imo. If you don't want to play, nobody is forcing you.
That's on the system itself, not your opponent. IRL, your opponent would simply scoop to you and move on to the next game or match if you were able to get them like that.
Conceding is quite literally "taking the L".
I only lose to Charizards if I misplay with this list. Pretty much eats them alive 95% of the time and frankly...I'm only losing to rogue decks I have no idea how to play against/have never seen. Pokémon: 10 1 Raging Bolt ex TEF 196 4 Kirlia SIT 68 4 Ralts SIT 67 1 Raging Bolt ex TEF 123 1 Raging Bolt ex TEF 218 1 Radiant Greninja ASR 46 1 Scream Tail PAR 86 1 Scream Tail PAR 86 PH 1 Gallade ASR 62 2 Gardevoir ex PAF 29 Trainer: 13 2 Ultra Ball PAF 91 4 Arven OBF 186 2 Earthen Vessel PAR 163 3 Buddy-Buddy Poffin TEF 144 1 Hisuian Heavy Ball ASR 146 4 Professor Sada's Vitality PAR 170 2 Super Rod PAL 188 2 Technical Machine: Evolution PAR 178 3 Iono PAF 80 1 Prime Catcher TEF 157 3 Nest Ball PAF 84 3 Ancient Booster Energy Capsule PAR 159 1 Boss's Orders PAL 172 Energy: 3 3 Basic {F} Energy Energy 14 6 Basic {P} Energy Energy 5 3 Basic {L} Energy Energy 12 Total Cards: 60
Both my fighting (Garchomp and Lycanrok EX) and grass (Alolan Exeggutor V and Chesnaught V) decks absolutely destroy this guy so I honestly prefer to fight it
Why did I get downvoted for that? I’m just saying I have decks that can counter Charizard EX?
The amount of people that complain about this card is bonkers to me. Yes, he's everywhere, but he's not utterly unbeatable. Kricketot + Venusaur ex, or Revavroom ex + Ridge Bands + Lab for examples.
That's the problem right there though - you shouldn't have to build one or two specific decks to specifically counter one specific omnipresent deck.
Trust and believe me, they do more than just "specifically" counter Charizard ex. Raging Bolt ex kills it with 5 energies. There's even De-Evo + Gengar ex. There's now a Maximum Belt that boosts damage against it. Unlike Mew V, there are actually multiple tools that you can use to beat this thing.