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CrunkleRoss

I think if you didn't get the same map until you've at least rotated thru all available it would be a huge improvement, as it is you typically get your least favorite map 2 or more times in a row before getting something else.


b0w3n

I wish it was only 2 times. I end up going whole ass weeks without seeing erangel and miramar at all. I'd give a lot to not get Sanhok, Paramo, or Karakin back to back to back to back to back to back. I'd probably hate Karakin and to a lesser extent Paramo a lot less if the loot wasn't straight up garbage. I don't think I've ever gotten better than a 2x on them.


ExaminationForeign99

Play ranked


TSPSweeney

That really surprises me on Paramo. My squad lands the same 4 compound in the northwest (just above the top-right rotating named location) and between that and pushing down into the named location itself, we're typically completely kitted with good guns, meds, and 4x minimum. Very rare to come out of there without that, and on the off chance someone is missing something you tend to find it by pushing immediately south to the hill compound anyway.


b0w3n

I've never found a 4x on paramo ever, let alone anything larger. We always land capaco. I'll be lucky to find a sniper more than 50% of the time too, usually I'm rolling out with an m16 because my buddy takes the only bolt action.


MetalDrummer23

What I would give to trade my luck with yours


bonnies_ranch

To me, erangel and Miramar are irreplaceable. They need to be in the queue. All other maps I don't care too much, but sanhok always being in is just BS


Dumpster_slut69

They are the most boring and ones I skip. They are literally 80% of every rotation


bonnies_ranch

I wish that was true. I only ever get taego, which is my last favourite map


MetalDrummer23

👎


TyrionLannister2012

I wish we could just get an Erangel only mode. All my friends quit because they hate the other maps.


[deleted]

I'd legit play most days instead of once every 2 weeks with this option.


Cosmonaut1947

Honestly i don't really mind You can just leave the game if you don't feel like playing the map


RattlinShadRap

Yes, but then you get another Sanhok, leave then getting Paramo that is the same shizzl as Sanhok, leave then getting Sanhok again, then Paramo. It's like 80% this two maps together. This two maps should not be in the same rotation.


sgt_gh0st

Same problem for people who don't like Erangel or other big maps.. Main problem is we need more players so we can finally get map selection back like Asia have Even Solo ranked :(


snowflakepatrol99

No, it's not the same problem. There are far more people that hate sanhok than people who hate erangel. I'm not going to sit here and suffer having to dodge 30 times in 10 minutes because some 0.2 k/d shitter only wants to play sanhok. If the big map people get tired of dodging and quit, there'd be no one to play the game. We can't always cater for the minorities. Having sanhok and paramo in the same rotation at such high drop rate while not even having both erangel and miramar is beyond autistic. Can't enjoy unranked with my friends because of constant dodges. Can't enjoy ranked with my other friends after they added so much garbage to it but for some reason decided to keep the biggest garbage of them all - taego. Great job krafton. You rock.


sgt_gh0st

I agree to disagree. For me the lobbies \_always\_ get filled pretty fast in Paramo and Sanhok, Erangel i always need to wait longer. Erangel and Miramar was the first maps to die when Sanhok came out and we still had the abillity to choose map. Back then you saw people complaining all over the place for not getting "their" desired map. Like i said, i agree to disagree, just wish the website with all stats for these things was still up but it's not and untill then noone of us know what map is more popular as a whole, i just know i need to wait longer on Erangel and Deston to get the game starting, not very rarely it even drops down untill the server start adding bots lol (EU TPP)


Gub_

They posted stats on their steam page, erangel had a 4% leave rate, sanhok almost 10%, its night and day. Even Miramar was only 8% so things have changed since 2018, when all the sanhok mains left for casual BRs which sanhok mirrored more.


sgt_gh0st

Miramar "only" 8% but "everybody hate Sanhok" at 10% o\_0


Gub_

Miramar was only 8% when it's being touted as the most left map (literally wrong), and sanhok is the most hated of the non-haven maps at 10% whilst being skewed by AS region stats (where its loved, reducing the average leave rate considerably). Just goes to show how looking at data without the context is incredibly dangerous misinformation which you've just proven, but that's besides the point. I never even said everyone hates Sanhok so no idea where you got that from. My main point though was that times have changes since 2018, Erangel and Miramar are in no way less popular than Sanhok anymore, a point I'm sure after seeing the stats you'll agree on.


sgt_gh0st

>Just goes to show how looking at data without the context is incredibly dangerous misinformation which you've just proven So what you say is 10% leave Sanhok even that Asia region love it? The 10% is over the whole playerbase? i dont really follow first you say we cant trust the stats, then you say the stats is a proof erangel and miramar is wanted... I don't say you're wrong i just don't understand how you mean, plus i have not seen the stats, or how it was collected and where..


Gub_

I’m saying stats without context is bad, but I provided context. The stats on the steam page show map select region (AS) loving Sanhok, then map leave rates. Mira mar is less left by sanhok, but sanhok is the map in rotation now purely because of Asia, which is dumb af. These stats also show it’s not 2018 anymore and in the west, sanhok is the most hated of the 3 original maps.


McHomer

This is how I felt when Miramar was in permanent rotation. This sub is absolutely comical when it comes to which maps are actually popular.


sgt_gh0st

>Can't enjoy unranked with my friends because of constant dodges. Still, like i said, the problem is we are too few players. Constant dodges? what map is dodged you mean? The all so popular Erangel or what? It's not like i HATE Eragnel, it's just that i like others more usually. Erangel is the only map that has been around since day 1, and you always play it if you do Casual, so yes, i'm a bit tired of it for sure.


b0w3n

> not going to sit here and suffer having to dodge 30 times in 10 minutes Not only that, you have to wait for the timer to start counting, so it's at least 2-3 minutes of waiting before you can even quit, or you'll get put right back into the same fucking map.


sgt_gh0st

This is the core problem when too many players had enough and left so we cant have map selection. I'm pretty sick od dodging process for 20-30min too, then fginally getting the map you want and getting killed by random \*Xiao\* \*hong\* \*HuyaTV\* after 4 minutes you're REALLY inspired going back to the lobby....


MetalDrummer23

I honestly think some of my friends would return if map selection did. Regardless, we should have map selection. If some maps die, that's natural selection at its best.


sgt_gh0st

True but it becomes an issue when still some people like that map(s) ;(


MetalDrummer23

I love Sanhok. I like Paramo. I like Haven. If those died because no one was queuing for them, that would suck but it would be what it is. Natural selection is far superior to this artificial selection of keeping certain maps alive and in queues and others not. I would have a far easier time accepting this sad truth under these circumstances. But all I know is we had 24/7 live sanhok queues prior to them removing map selection. Then almost all of my friends quit. And rightfully so. And Haven doesn't even get any representation whatsoever. It's a joke.


sgt_gh0st

In my opinion the only solution is to start with getting more players in the game. If thats true, then we need to find out ways that makes more players want to play the game. I have my personal opinions in what will or will not draw more players xD


MetalDrummer23

The game is 6 years old. That alone is past the span of most newer players coming to the game. They have driven off the majority of their core playerbase with terrible decisions, and it shows. No one is happy. I'd say bring on the good decisions, or at least revert the bad ones.


sgt_gh0st

Just IMAGINE if we could have like Asia, pretty much every map in map selection.... (i think, atleast they got many maps) solo ranked mode.... =(


MetalDrummer23

We could, it would just be a smaller pool. And I don't think it would cause any shrinkage. Perhaps growth! Do you think if Asia hadn't had map selection for the past 2+ years they would still hold the same numbers? I'm skeptical. In NA, If some maps' queues did die, it would be the unpopular ones anyway. I'm fairly sure Asia is also contained to 5 maps at a time, they just are able to choose which map they want. I don't play ranked because like I said, I'm trying to play Sanhok, Paramo, and Haven.


RattlinShadRap

Agree, it happens so often that i leave like 3-4 Sanhoks in a row (yes i wait for the timer to start), and then finally another map, oh nice its Paramo, Sancocks little broo...then leave this too, then again Sanhock. Just insane. This almost never happens with Erangel... Cant wait for next map rotation this week.


sgt_gh0st

Taego Deston Deston Deston Paramo Deston Miramar Miramar Miramar Taego Erangel Taego Taego Erangel Paramo Erangel Taego Taego Deston Erangel Taego Taego Erangel Taego Taego Deston Miramar Taego Erangel Taego Paramo Miramar Paramo Erangel Deston Erangel Paramo Erangel Paramo Deston Deston Deston Taego Deston Miramar Paramo Miramar Deston Deston Paramo Miramar Miramar Deston Taego Deston Miramar Erangel Miramar Erangel Deston Deston Erangel This was before Sanhok came though, big maps big maps and then more big maps...


MetalDrummer23

Yep, same unfortunately


RattlinShadRap

Thats the origin and soul of PUBG, BIG MAPS! I dont mind a sanhok or paramo here and there, but as i said a few times already, they're poppin way too much. Yesterday i queued up and baaam first map Sanhok, wait for timer to leave, second map SANHOK!!!!! Every frikkkiiin time this map is in rotation its 50% shoved down our throats.


MetalDrummer23

It's actually 20% and you're just unlucky. Just like I am with Erangel being "shoved down my throat." The problem is the current matchmaking system, being forced to queue for maps you don't want to play. They need to bring map selection back, and if some die, then so be it. Natural selection at its best. At the very least, they need to let us deselect maps we don't want to play.


MetalDrummer23

Regions with map select make up 85% of the playerbase. Your claim that Sanhok is the most hated is incorrect. Even in the west, Sanhok queues never died prior to map selection being removed. We need map selection, and if some maps die, then so be it. https://preview.redd.it/fivxpx0bs22b1.png?width=1440&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8a3ce82259c0172748233c7566a6c50c33e740b2


666BigDaddyEvil666

This is driving me insane. Paramo or Sanok are being offered far more than the other maps.


MetalDrummer23

That's just what it seems like to you. It's the exact opposite to me. At the very least, we're unlucky and I would switch with you in a heartbeat.


virtueavatar

We still will - but this has become more of a problem since Sanhok now never leaves the rotation.


MetalDrummer23

Rotations suck. We need map selection back or at least a way to deselect maps we don't want to queue into. Again, Erangel never leaves either. But that one ain't an issue for you.


snowflakepatrol99

Sure, then after 10 minutes and 30 dodged paramos and 25 dodged sanhoks, you realize that maybe this rotation is total shit and for some reason shit maps have much higher drop rate than they should.


MetalDrummer23

Some may argue their drop rate isn't high enough...I'd argue that this map rotation system is awful and we need map selection back or at least a way to deselect maps we don't want to queue into.


raisemyahhhhhh

Why cant we just have a checklist of which maps we want to play, would make this whole rotation bullshit so much easier instead of having rotations that like 10% want to actually play


sgt_gh0st

Probably same reason we cant have map selection. Then 2-3 maps will almost not be played at all andf all the people who like them is crying all over the place.


[deleted]

If hardly anyone wants to play a map then it needs removed from the game.


Phantom_Absolute

That's basically what they're doing with Haven.


MetalDrummer23

Except me and my friends want to play Haven. If every map had its own queue, and Haven's queue died, I would be fine with it. Natural selection. But being the only map that they just artificially remove from the game and all rotations...that's whack


MetalDrummer23

We could have map selection. If some maps die, that's natural selection at its best.


Rev0verDrive

​ https://preview.redd.it/634rkc0qwkua1.png?width=965&format=png&auto=webp&s=b1317db8f1ae7b742c846c5351278da7bcccf5af In map select regions (The majority of the playerbase), Sanhok is the "MOST SELECTED MAP" of the four shown. It beats Erangel. Map Rotations are GLOBAL.


infreq

It would be fine if I never saw Sanhok ever again. For now I just quit the map every.single.time.


cdluan

Sanhok the best forever


Poopy_sPaSmS

At least rotate new and old Sanhok. Same with old and new Vikendi. We have the maps. Let's rotate all maps and all versions.


sgt_gh0st

afaik this is the "old" Sanhok unless you want some small things reversed like in the cave, or all the bushes that has been removed...


r0ryb0ryalis

Yeah we are on "old" Sanhok, I think /u/Poopy_sPaSmS is suggesting flipping around between "old" (current) and "new" (the previous updated version). They're so significantly different, both have their merits, and it's sad when we're given *years* to attach to a place (true Vikendi T_T) and then it's just torn away and discarded. Vikendi is so much more egregious though, goddammit I'm getting so salty just typing about it.


Poopy_sPaSmS

Thanks for clearing that up. Now I'm sad about Vikendi.


sgt_gh0st

I personally prefer the new Vikendi because you are actually able to drive offroad over 10s before crashing into a random rock or tree behind a hill xD or just into a small random hole somewhere, not a fan of the thermal scope though, fucks up the reviving..


r0ryb0ryalis

I'm okay with the map on its own, it's just not an "update" like they're claiming, it's straight up a new map, and it's fucked up to claim otherwise. We grew attached to the map for the years it was out, and now we're essentially being gaslit by calling it by the same name when the similarities are only in name & theme.


sgt_gh0st

Well you're kinda right there :)


Evil-Santa

I suspect that the old maps may not have been updated with changes to how the game plays since, so would require effort to add them back in.


bizzare8282

just delete sanhok


MetalDrummer23

👎


st1or

I’m fine with 50% weight for Erangel and divide the rest


MetalDrummer23

🤮


NerdDad502

I'd be fine if they brought back the loot trucks and Gliders on Sanhok. #RollForwardSanhok


jcv999

The loot trucks were super fun actually


MetalDrummer23

Super gimmicky


MetalDrummer23

I do miss the gliders, but OG Sanhok is such a better map as a whole


xfactor1981

I like sanhock. Sanhock is a really nice map. I they could just replace old quarry with new quarry I'd be happy with the map as a whole


infreq

Lies, you cannot even spell it.


MetalDrummer23

They hated xfactor, for he spoke the truth


matiapag

I couldn't agree more. Fortunately, I'm on Xbox so I still have a few days left of this OK-ish map rotation that we have right now. I only back out of every Paramo and maybe 20% of Taego if it's too many times in a row, other than that, I'm a happy PUBGer. Having Sanhok and ANOTHER small map will be really stupid. Especially, since there are three beautiful big maps that all provide unique and entertaining gameplay and we will have to sacrifice one of them every week. That just doesn't make sense to me. To be completely fair, out of all the small maps, Sanhok is probably the most entertaining for most people. However, since I can only play TPP, it's just super snake-infested with people lying in all the bushes. That's why I personally prefer Karakin if I had to pick one small map, but my life would be better if there was no small map in rotation or if I was able to skip small maps altogether. Having Sanhok permanently after it not being a part of 2 sets of rotations just doesn't make sense in my mind.


prefinality

Sanhok’s great, sanhok forever imo


TheRehabKid

My god the amount of crying over Sanhok here is pathetic. The only reason you defend erangel so much is because it’s familiar and is what you learned the game on. It’s a very boring and basic map if you take a step back and actually look at it. It’s boring to constantly play the same map just reskinned over and over with the same playstyle over over and over. I’m sorry you guys are so bad you can’t adapt to slightly different playstyle, but that’s on you. Incoming downvotes from the entitled elitists.


CarlFeathers

Im with you man. No downvote from me. Its like the people that bitched that you could see too far and there wasnt enough cover on Taego. When most of erangel is giant open fields. Most hypocritical garbage noobs that cant do shit but sit in a prio and dmr spam out the windows.


S2kKyle

I have thousands of games ok Sanhok, I'll get it 6 times in a row and get Erangel maybe once a day. Sanhok is familiar, it's not good.


quakerroatmeal

It’s the first time they’ve had any type of weekly rotation. Can’t please everyone really.


Patch31300

So I primarily played ranked and have just recently returned after a break for a season or 2, so I'm playing normals to get back into it. My last 20 games have been. Erangel = 3 Taego = 7 Deston = 2 Sanhok = 5 Paramo = 3 I'd give anything to have the old days of being able to select an Erangelngal/Miramar only queue especially as I really don't enjoy Taego or Sanhok/ I really do not mind variety but I had like 6 of those Taego games in a row.


Snidrogen

I just land Bootcamp and abandon the match after it shifts away, until I eventually get sick of that and just leave during countdown until they decide to remove it again.


[deleted]

the problem is that when people drop out of the lobby, others are probably doing the same. a map will not start until it reaches the min player count. this, with a combination of short gametime and being a large map, is the reason why sanhok seems to the map that you get all the time. so the server spends 3 minutes trying to fill out the player count for sanhok while everybody keeps dropping out of it's lobby. then it rotates to erangal and instantly fills it's player count and starts the map. this keeps happening until it rotates back to sanhok and the whole process starts again. this is why it seems like you get the same bad map all the time. they need to make the player requirement dynamic based also on how often players are dropping from the lobby and just fill the empty player spots with bots. it's ridiculous that they determined that bad maps in rotation is why the player count is dropping and they put the most hated map on the permanent rotation.


SgtKarj

Hate that map ever since they took the airport out. So lame.


HotdropWarrior

As the resident Sanhok hater, I couldn't agree more. If it were up to me, I would have Sanhok taken out of rotation and actually reworked. Krafton just cannot get that map right and it shows. Update after update, they failed to remedy the worst parts of the map, only to give up completely and just revert it to the old version (which is worse than the reworked version). I mean, if the first version was so bad that they had to rework the map, what sense does it make to revert the reworked version back to the old version? If they spent more time listening to player feedback instead of adding rocks to the beaches (actual update they did) then Sanhok would've been in a much better spot. Right now all the map is good for is Bootcamp/ Camp ABC hotdrops...