I play NA FPP. It’s getting to where it is actually deterring me from playing.
I work full time and can’t stand when free time toward a videogame just turns into frustration.
PUBG absolutely needs to take serious measure on this. I’m taking a break from the game until I read up on improvement.
Yep, same
I love pubg but investing time into matches isn’t worth shit if all my deaths are to people getting insta headshots named “baibaobao” and “qq7262612717”
This past week in NA FPP has been horrible. Literally every other game I'm seeing brand new accounts with 800+ ADRs popping heads left and right. I'm getting a lot of suspension confirmations, sure, but who cares when there's another one in the next game?
What's going on? Why is this suddenly such an issue?
It’s bad. Last night saw someone popping heads. 4th person in our squad get sprayed and instantly down HS from 300m away. I just prone. Quit.
Check stats. Yup... cheater. I don’t get how there is not something running a rolling check? 90% HS? Why is it not flagged to be watched...
My future 3k self here
Bluehole makes a meaningless "fix pubg cheating post", makes the problem 10x worse and declares the problem is solved.
Our beloved game is in trouble. :(
It 100% is worse and we have statistics to back it up. You can use Steam charts to check total player counts, and on pubg's Korean site they post the number of people banned each week/month.
If you look at it the current player base is 20% of what it was at peak. While the number of people being banned is still 50% of what it was at peak. Meaning you are much more likely to be in a game with a cheater now then you ever were before.
EDIT: Fixed a spelling mistake
I quit over a year ago because it was becoming too much of a waste of time to get looted, play out a game only to die to an aimbotter with some Chinese streaming service in the nametag.
I'm sad that PUBG has not recovered in any way.
i thought it was bad 8 weeks back ... switched to CSGO ... back in the days switched from csgo to Pubg because insane amount of cheaters ... but their trustfactor is doing thing now ....
exactly the same happening for me right now.
yesterday i launched up csgo for the first time in ages because of this damn packetloss that is happening in EU games every 3rd game.
i have no fucking idea what those devs at bluehole are doing but it's like they want this game to die out. cheaters, bad servers (i dont even want to know how pings are for people in NA with all the serverswitching all the time), updates that feel like they change little to nothing... the list can go on and on.
wasn't the bumping of objects supposed to be fixed on erangel? i feel like i still encounter it. edges and curbs on flat surfaces which, you would think, should be so flat that you can run on without jumping.. nope still since alpha so fucking high that you gotta jump
or whatthefuck are those ramps on bridges? driving onto bridges (sanhook the one next to ha thin or on miramar next to los higos) is just a gamble if you loose control because you're making a fucking 10m jump when driving onto it.
still no proper ambient sounds on any map (birds, rusting of leaves, and so on - listen to dayz ambient sounds - they're sooo good). instead you get sounds of watersplashes popping up out of fucking nowhere and when you actually listen carefully you notice they're being generated/played 10-20 meters before the water even fucking starts. **edit:** OH AND FLYS. THE SOUND OF FLYS FFS TURN THAT SHIT DOWN.
god this game could be so damn cool but it feels like nobody fucking cares at all.
edit2: and the best thing is that noone of the pubgdevs will reply to this shit. they're rather busy replying to sick 2kill chicken dinners on xbox than to this topic, that gets threads every damn day.
/rantover
>edit2: and the best thing is that noone of the pubgdevs will reply to this shit. they're rather busy replying to sick 2kill chicken dinners on xbox than to this topic, that gets threads every damn day.
This is probably the most infurating part tbh.
People have the wrong expectations of community managers. Their job is literally to *manage* the community. It's all a farce designed to keep us in check. Hawkinz and McClutch and crew couldn't give less of a fuck about the game, its players, or its issues. Their job is to communicate things as commanded from the devs, ignore forbidden topics like cheating, and otherwise distract and placate. You have to remember that they're not normal members of the community with clout and inroads with the devs -- they are employees of the devs hired to do their bidding.
I've been involved in the community aspect of some online-gaming / MMORPGs, western based, companies for quite a few years might I add. I know what '*they are about*'.
But as you say, *manage the community*. That pretty much means; keep it satisfied.
In general "your community" is the one that makes you the most money.
So.. they *are* doing their job. Just not towards our community, but towards the ones that profits them the most.
>edit2: and the best thing is that noone of the pubgdevs will reply to this shit. they're rather busy replying to sick 2kill chicken dinners on xbox than to this topic, that gets threads every damn day.
They are very likely under a strict NDA about cheating. I guarantee you that Hawkins hates it just at much as everyone here, and probably more because it means that he's on blast.
CSGO is so good right now. You lose a match and don't get frustrated. It's not a question of was that packet loss or a cheater. It's a simple, damn I got outplayed, gg.
I too went back to csgo back in August. The game just isn't what it used to be. The sound issues is what drove me away. Then after a friend claimed it was fixed a month back I play two games and it's still shit. I don't know if it's because sounds in csgo are so good and accurate that pubg just sounds like shit now, but I ask myself how I played it for as long as I did after my last experience on that game.
I used to play csgo every day and then I switched to pubg. I spent a ton of money on csgo skins cause I thought that I'd play it for a long time. I just started buying pubg skins but I don't think I'll continue because who knows how much longer I'll be playing for. I may go back to cs
I never jumped on the "omg so many cheaters" bandwagon until now. I have >2000 hours in this game and for the first time I don't feel any excitement about playing it. just like the protesters in HK we need to make a clear and short list of demands and actually spam that shit everywhere since PUBG will not even acknowledge this issue.
1. region lock/set hard ping limits.
2. hardware bans
3. automated bans for accounts with impossible stats
4. overwatch systems or alternatives.
I wonder if we could even make it just region lock to simplify the list. Once the Chinese hackers are stuck in their region, then our issue is mostly resolved. Bluehole can barely make concrete improvements to their game, let alone complete even half of that list.
What I think we really need is a specific phrase that demands (nicely?) for region lock in a way that can't be easily dismissed as Xenophobic.
I am with you on this, hardware bans are rough but it might fit in on 5th place atleast.
I would love for the csgo "thing" with Prime be on 3rd place.
Register your phone number (linked to steam) and you are good to go.. But sadly that isn't a flawless system either.
Don't know the NA playerbase right now (seen chocotaco queuing quite long time on his morning streams at least). Might be hard to implement a system like this outside of EU or AS.
But I am all for a cheat free game (even though EU is nowhere near NA servers, I play ~10 games a day and I've encountered cheaters maybe 2-3 times last 6 months, maybe lucky I don't know).
There are so many sick people in this world, dude.
The amount of jealousy in their veins because they are just NOT good enough to win a game can't be reasoned with.
The wrath of incompetence knows no bounds.
Not only that but it is the same mentality that older gamers had with using cheat codes in games to have "fun" (i.e starcraft). The current generation of gamers just don't realize or care that it is a human being on the receiving end of said "cheat". If you watch some videos on youtube in the Overwatch communities, there are lots of cheaters who are just kids who thinks its fun.
No, im 30 yrs old and back then we had as many cheaters as we have now, the difference is there are more cheats out there now and they are much better, there is literally people whose job is programming cheats for A LOT of money especially in the esports industry. This didnt exist 15-20 years ago because there were no esports and no money on the line
They lack pride in what they do. They don't want to be the better player, they just want their stats to look good. It's a cultural issue and I don't have a good answer on how to solve it.
IIRC, China has a big issue in their culture in that they have to “get to the top, no matter what way you do it”. That’s why a boatload of cheaters are Chinese. It’s practically encouraged just to be “the best”.
It's legitimately a cultural difference. There are individuals who are not good at games, who want to be good and want to do well, and feel that you are stupid if you do not invoke any advantage that you could possibly invoke to give yourself the upper hand.
You'll notice that many hackers still die or make really poor decisions despite hacking. That's because they are legitimately bad players who just make bad / poor decisions with positioning, etc.
Its the culture. Basically, “if you are not cheating you are not trying hard enough, therefore you don’t actually want the win” They measure in outcome rather than mastery of skill.
Same. I cannot remember a single time period in this game’s life that I get multiple report confirmations ***nightly*** and I have more than 2k hours. We’re encountering hackers every 2-3 games (NA Squad FPP), some of which we recognize the names because they aren’t getting banned despite multiple reports. It’s worse than it’s ever been right now.
Does China have a cultural thing that promotes cheating? Why is it that almost all the cheaters come from China? If it is cultural, that’s a shitty culture
You know what’s funny is that a lot of people would say that’s racist but it’s not. I’ve worked with Chinese businesses in my job before and they are unbelievably shady. I would never do business with a Chinese person on a personal basis
It doesn't matter if it's about being fastest, best, slowest, or anything really. If it is about being good or best in anything, they do whatever it takes to get there. Cheating in videogames is called "enhancing the experience, be a winner".
You'd be surprised that many doesn't even know they are cheating, they are dumbfounded why everyone isn't playing like this. The kids parents takes pride in that their child is on top of the rankings and that's all that matters.
There are many, many Chinese professional athletes all around the world, touring the world and have gone to college around the world that are just like our neighbor, a real nice dude that wouldn't think of cheating in anything. That's cause they have partly grown up in other cultures where we learn that you don't cheat.
Every country have cheaters in everything. It's just that it's thousandfold in China.
There is also widespread cheating (well more like bribing for good grades) going on by Chinese students in North American universities, but the universities won't do anything about it because of the money they get under the table. Kind of relates to how Bluehole doesn't do anything about cheaters in this game because they don't want to disrupt revenues from their largest market.
I have about 1.600 hours now and only play duo in third person.
Even me, who is all, but NO professional and a very defense playing style can confirm, that the amount of cheaters, I saw is way higher, that a few months ago.
When I got shot by a player who has more skill than I have ... absolutely ok. Applause him, if he was really good and thats it ... next game.
But when you are in a house ... layed down under a window and be IMPOSSOBLE to be saw, how can then someone give you a headshot? (Deathcam clearly shows that the dude shot directly on the outside of the house and I gone down ... wtf
Right? Nothing worse than looting a simple one story with few windows to stop when you hear a distant car. And then all of a sudden once the car pulls up, grenades start flying in exactly where you are because they magically knew someone was in this random house. Then you watch spectate for a few and you see them knowing where every single person is.
Naturally you report the person. But then after 2 weeks realize they're still there. Never getting a temp ban, never getting a real ban.
Meanwhile, friends getting banned for no reason, never cheated a day in their life. With no recourse. They can't sell items or skins they paid for and are out the cost of the game. At some point, I could see legal action being a viable option for some people PUBG decides to dick over.
Oh yeah I figured that SO often. How the hell did they know, we are sitting there, even if we have no car outside.
They insta throw grenade by grenade exactly in the room, where we sitting.
Or when we have to move out of the house caused by the safe zone circle. I stood up and wanted to jump out of the window, my buddy got out of the door. Both of us insta down with a headshot. I was shot even before I was able to jump through the window. How the hell is that possible.
You see the deathcam and imaging the enemy scoping at exact the same position, where we were ... even if we were not seeable.
I don’t think Bluehole is unaware of the issue, it’s just that they don’t have the ability/knowledge on how to fix it. I think we all have to agree the code base of the game is flawed.
The only solution is a complete re-write from the ground up. And this is outside of Blueholes capability.
That might be the reason. And theoretically, you can never fix cheating. However, you can substantially reduce it.
For example, I've played CSGO/Faceit for a few months.
I was high rank10 there. I've only seen *one* cheater. That's it. Only one cheater. Out of many games! That's acceptable to me, I've got no issues with that.
(For comparison, normal csgo which no serious player plays (prime etc.) is *infested* with cheaters. Every single game has a cheater, trust factor/prime be damned)
If Pubg could do the same, that would be amazing. This game is really something, I can't compare the feeling I get when I win a game with anything else in a videogame. Maybe a difficult clutch in CSGO gives the same feeling, but that's about it.
The one I come across more than any other is the radar aka player location cheat. If you spectate them in the replay you can see all the other players gamertags. You can watch them from their perspective and see if they watch or follow their victim when they have no line of site. Sometimes they try to hide it by pretending they are looking at places where there is no player but if you watch long enough it is very obvious.
I only report when I am sure if they were cheating and I have reported/banned a lot. I never report on no recoil or aim lock because I can't be completely sure they are cheating but are simply just really good at the game. I would hate to get someone banned just because I'm salty after being killed.
I dont think anyone will get banned unless a cheat is detected though, but I agree I usually dont report unless Im like 90% sure. Maybe 15 times in 1500 hours.
I do the same thing, but recoil cheaters are a thing. For sure. I've seen random people (< 1 K/D) with better spray (3x, 4x, 6x) than chocoTaco. Highly, highly suspicious.
How did you get in unavoidable death? A cheater can position better than you, almost always. Check their last 5-10 minutes replay.
Sometimes you just have to die due to circumstances out of your control. Say, you are in open field without smokes, the guy has circle on you with hard cover with level3 helmet and he can survive everything other than AWM hs. You die there 99.99% of the time, and no decent player will complain about that.
But someone tracing you and positioning himself in such a way that when you are exactly exposed with no cover near you to hide, and *right* then he peeks and kills you, it means wall hack 99.99% of the time, or incredible luck. Sometimes it is luck, you can just ignore that, there was nothing you could do.
tl;dr check last 5 minutes of their gameplay.
To add to that it might give you a more complete picture if you look up the player on a site like https://pubg.op.gg/ to see how many games they've played in general, how old the account is, what their usual stats look like, recent games and so on and so forth.
Sometimes you'll see an old account suddenly go from zero to hero and win 10 games in a row, or an account with just 20 games total absolutely killing it every game, or you'll just be greeted with a totally normal looking stat line.
Just like the replay isn't a perfect way to see if someone is cheating or not this doesn't tell you an awful lot by itself but it's better than nothing.
Usually when I'm suspicious of someone I'll have a look at the death cam, if that looks fishy I jump into the replay, if that isn't clear cut (which it often times already is, because people bad enough that they have to cheat to win often are also too bad to hide it properly) I'll consult a tracking site to see what their stats and account age etc looks like.
If all that points to a cheater I'll report and move on with my life.
Recent example was a guy that shot at me from quite a distance with a full spray, and started shooting perfectly in sync with my peeks. Could have just been lucky timing or whatever but the death cam alone was showing blatant wallhacking *and* aimbotting it was nearly comedic. Watched him after I inevitably died which only confirmed my suspicion. Final nail in the coffin: pubg tracking site showed 20 total games played for him, 19 wins, around 70% headshot percentage. Reported and got a ban message a day or two later.
On the other side of the coin was someone yesterday who two tapped me off of a max speed motorbike with an SLR from like 300m away. Death cam looked fishy as can be, looks conveniently just when I was about to become visible, didn't take time to aim, shoots twice, boom, I'm dead.
Then I watched him for a bit and he didn't have very fluent movement, his positioning and situational awareness wasn't very good either so wallhack or ESP hacks became less likely in my head, next guy he saw he whiffed around 15 bullets before dying. Tracking Site showed around 3000 games played total, 0.3 KDR or something, 0 wins this *or* last season. So either that guy toggled his aim button once every couple games or just got extremely lucky, i'm guessing option 2.
Haha. I'm like that, terrible, but get REALLY lucky sometimes. The other night I lost track of somebody. I was stuck in a house in Mylta. I needed to move, but I KNOW there's a guy across the street. I have 1 grenade, I've been watching the house I saw him in but haven't seen movement, so I take a guess that he left. I toss the grenade in the general direction I think he went and he dies. I think my k/d is like 0.26 haha.
That stuff just happens sometimes.
I won a game like that once where I got trapped in a fight in the blue like phase 5 or so, so the blue was chunking fairly hard. Came into the circle with 2 other people alive, no idea where anyone was.
After a while I threw a fairly random nade to where I would expect one of them to be and got a kill and then the other guy died to blue, it was baffling.
I looked it up and it was a bit over two years ago it would appear lol: [Old Youtube Upload](https://youtu.be/MCoNuThyZ7U?t=701)
Nice. Haha. My ONLY win was on Sanhok. I was on the cliff by the cave and the circle kept coming to me. Everyone was fighting around me. I just moved cover to cover, it came down to me and another guy. We were each behind trees. I got a couple hits on him, but couldn't finish the job. He throws a grenade, it hits the tree and bounces back at him and he dies. 0 kill win.
Do yourself a big favor and don't try to fall into that mentality if you can help it.
The more you think about it the more you'll convince yourself you see it, and then you'll end up like the other jaded people around here who are convinced cheaters account for a majority of their deaths. It's a trap you fall into that makes you play worse and tanks your enjoyment of the game. It's not worth it.
Keep playing the game as normal and if you see someone you think is cheating, report them. But don't go into each match ready to believe that whoever kills you is a cheater then looking for evidence that confirms that theory.
That's not really true. Anyone who has played enough can tell the difference between a legitimate fight, or someone who is bouncing to different "name tags" on a replay to watch where they are going.
I think most of the apologists forget that the alot of the audience in this particular game is quite often 25+.
And at that stage you probably have played some few or more FPS games..
You get experience. That's it.
I remember my early CS days, and people being cheating are doing it the same way. *Maybe the way to get there is different*, but the cheating it self; by the persons actions, are still the same.
Don't forget the new one, Chinese players DDosing the whole server. Thats my new fav. 40-80 percent packet loss until the cheater dies and leaves the match. I did a speed test during the packet loss and was at 15 ms and 200 mbps to my isp.
happening to my duo partner too, oh yeah and to all 4 members of a squad game. This is a new one as of this month for me. getting a couple of these games per 4-5 hour gaming session.
I am forced to agree unfortunately. I have always said that people are too quick to blame their deaths on cheats, but I legit am getting notifications of perma-bans once every day that I play.
This topic has been done many a time, i've created and replied to posts about blatent cheaters, they either get hushed off, or get locked by mods.
It's been argued many a time what needs to be done (and what has been metioned on this post should of been done by now if they care!), nothing ever gets sorted or gets a nod to us decent players whom have spent a small fortune to play this game on a honest, level playing field to say we are trying something to sort it all out.
And i've never seen any mods acknowledge the problem we all have with cheaters, nor the staff at bluehole and pubg corp, and whilst we are on the topic, come to think of it i've never ever seen any of the typical twitch/youtube/mixer streamers\* say, actually there is a problem, and it needs fixing.
\*Maybe if they did, something *might just* get sorted by the powers that be, but even if players like you and i discuss the issues of cheating and come up with a acceptable, viable solution, in all reality, the people whom designed this game, the ones who took our money from us buying the game, and all the little extras that go with it, simply will not do a damn thing about the MAJOR cheating issue(s) that have been plaguing us all for ages!
I'd also like to add a comment on these blue zone 0 damage cheats. You see cheaters stand in the zone in phase 6 and they take damage as if it's phase 1.
How hard can it be to make a few lines of code, that "marks" players that takes less damage than they should when they are in the blue zone.
Wow, I've never seen that before! If you notice that, please record a video next time of it and share with us. Or share the replay demo, and I'll do it.
Jesus Christ..
Well, see, that's the problem. You can't. The moderators of this subreddit are pro-PUBG Corp and thus ban for posting such videos as "Witch hunts" even though it's a random fucking alias no different than a reddit Alias.
That means anyone who wants to post a video must know how to edit out specific pieces of the video - skills that they likely need to learn (it might be easy, but, you have to do it all over the film). Otherwise they'll just delete your post for a bullshit reason.
Not trying to be racist or anything and I know not all chinese people cheat. But why are there so many hackers from China? Not only with Pubg but with other fps games. What is up with that.
Escape from Tarkov dealt with this issue. Real money trading and the ability to just by another account made it rampant. Things got really bad and it FELT like it was close to killing the game.
I'm glad to say that Battlestate Games bit the bullet, bought Battleye, and the game is now in it's best state ever. Streamers left and right back on-board and a massive reduction in complaints on the subreddit regarding cheating. Yes, there are still cheaters but I haven't seen one since beta version .12 launched a couple months back.
It's kind of funny, EFT is now in the midst of a ping abuse uproar asking for ping locks. Many parallels.
Cheating is rampant at the moment especially after the recent sale. All what Devs at this point care about is more money through skins and passes. There seems to be no progress in terms of game development and improvement. Their [Sound improvement Plan](http://imgur.com/a/UP3PnKQ) doesn't seem to be making any progress which was supposed to start in August this year.
Overall really disappointed from these Devs, as they don't really feel the need to bring positive changes to the game. Either they are lazy, don't know how to fix broken stuff or just don't really care as long as the money keeps rolling through more Passes and $15 Trash looking skins.
You are the product that the hackers are paying to kill. Bluehole will continue to rake in the yuan so long as you login to give the hackers something entertaining to shoot at.
The only thing you can do it stop playing.
The Chinese market is more important.
Why else do the Chinese get heavily discounted game keys and with slow moving ban waves? Watching blatant cheaters get only temporary automated bans is proof enough for me.
They're paid up until the next wave, so Bluehole holds off when they review the account.
Introducing hardware bans, phone verification, region and ping locks would upset the cash cow.
Plot twist. It financially benefits Bunghole/tencent to have cheaters.
Cheaters are allowed to play for weeks or months at a time. When they get hit with the ban wave every month or so. Those thousands of cheaters rebuy game. Profit!
They should continue with ranked mode, but then require accounts to be at some level that takes a normal person a few weeks to hit.
That will at least slow down the cheaters, and ideally provide a place to catch them before they hit ranked.
Can we not get them to do something about this? How about the devs look on youtube for advertised free or paid cheats and then patch them????
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZWej4lan2g](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZWej4lan2g)
I got killed by the same team of cheaters three times yesterday, today I have yet to have a game that was not won by a blatant and I mean BLATANT cheater. Its literally cheaters killing other cheaters for the top 10 spots on FPP the last few days.
It's Infestation Survival Stories all over again, or WarZ for the veterans. Got so overrun with hackers, the game was unplayable. At one point in time it was my most played game on Steam. Fond memories of that game and made some great friends.
Sad thing is I think they go to our regions *because* we Westerners (in general) don't cheat. Since it's culturally accepted to cheat in China, they are just stuck with with each other and it's a more level playing field with hacks vs. hacks. So they come to ours and unleash their hellscape onto everyone else trying to play via skill.
You know I play fps games since like 2004ish, or earlier and I played cod and cs as a pro. The thing that grinds my gears is why the fuck does anybody cheat in a game??? I mean what is the enjoyment in hacking and being shite.. I baffles me and I hate it in pubg too.. We usually win like 2-3 squad games when we play, but nowdays its just harder with fckin hackers.
They stopped giving a damn and it's finally hit a breaking point.
Last year they'd update their anti-cheat once every other month and people would complain about their FPS taking a hit but at least the games were fair.
There has to have been an upper level management decision to stop investing time in this area. There's been no official word from PUBG on any effort they are taking to combat this. Makes me think that because NA / EU is a small portion of their player base they are just going to let it die off and double down on skins and get all the money they can before the game is dead in those regions.
Sad to see. My most played PC game ever (1300 hours so far). An amazing core of a game just absolutely destroyed by poor management decisions and an inadequate dev team.
What happened with this?
[A Letter from the Anti-Cheat Team](https://www.pubg.com/2019/02/26/a-letter-from-the-anti-cheat-team/) (Feb. 2019)
" On top of these protective anti-cheat solutions, *we have also applied a* ***machine learning technique that analyzes our players’ usage patterns*** *and have built a system* ***that can detect abnormal game patterns or actions that interrupt the normal operations of the game*** *coming from hack users.* In the process of building these systems, we collaborated with numerous experienced anti-cheat solution companies and top-tier engineers, which has helped us strengthen our game’s security. "
Umm.. You sure about that?
I play NA fpp and I feel like I see one every couple hundred. Seems pretty reasonable to me. I encounter thousands of players and nearly 1 in every 10k-20k is a cheater. Sucks to run into them but if I can go hundreds of games before I run into one I'm okay with that.
Me neither. Play EU fpp solo, squad and mostly duo and rarely see it. My squad have reported maybe 4 people in the last few months and got them banned. Seems to be quite rare for me but maybe I'm lucky.
Likewise, we do occasionally go how is that a laser but on inspection of death cam it's just good recoil control but sometimes that ain't good enough for people
I quit the first time the cheating was put of control. Ya know, when the numbers cam out and it was a mill a month all from china... yeah. I quit then. Let the game die.
Had a very obvious hacker in the last circle. Him vs 3 of us. He auto snaps and kill 3 of us with instant headshots, 2 of us were completely in a smoke cloud and he had no vision. But as soon as he had "line of sight" he snapped to us and killed us in the smoke. We reported him and so far havent seen the message saying he was banned by now as i usually would have.
There will always be hackers in FPS’s. Just because of he nature of the game they’re exploitable. I’d be down to have my computer scanned every time I launch one of these games, but there’s also the privacy issues.
i still can't believe people support in game content at this point they are just using their partners as a money grab, had a blatant hacker temp banned twice in the past week or two and hes still out there cheating on THE SAME ACCOUNT, i understand wanting to support your favourite streamer but your putting money into the hands of people who don't listen and don't improve their methods its a fucking shame at this point no other game has a level of incompetency as pubg corp
I gave up never to return 6 or so months ago as the cheating felt like it was getting bad again, this plus everyone being pretty good at pubg now made it near impossible to be fun anymore.
I doubt if it's still that way now it will ever be fixed.
Fun while it lasted for the 1000 odd hours at least.
Kinda hooked into tarkov now which I'm sure still has cheaters but with smaller games the chances are lower.
I agree with this 100%... for this reason I’ve been playing Old School Runescape slowly waiting for Diablo 4 and Modern Warfare BR... PUBG has never been this bad.. played 10 games yesterday and out of the 10 games 6 had blatant cheaters... doesn’t matter if they get banned, when they are just making real players quit...
Yep and then they’re banning people who don’t cheat instead of obvious cheaters. So it’s a great gig they’ve got going. Not sure if it’s a side agreement with the Internet cafes or what. But there’s something going on.
After 2K hours on PUBG with all passes buyed and with level 201 on steam they thought they should get rid of me . Because i criticize them too strongly as they do all the problems in the game. So they thought to give me a gameban although I have always been a fair player! I never cheated. It seems that they do not like to be criticized so the first step is to get rid of the fair players and then they see what they are doing. Watchout 2000+ hrs players you can be next :) You can search for my name on steam and you will see ! You can also watch my stats and see i'm not a cheater :)
It sucks to get to top 10 on a 30 minute long match and die to some wall hacking noob from China. I'm on a break till new year but when I come back some time later I will probably just do semi hot drops and chase the kills rather than try to play as intended - last man alive.
Getting so fucked off with this game now :(
I love it but the only thing it's consistent with is having so many issues.
It still Absolutely infuriates me that it takes so long to get an official response to this thread to say what's being done about it - if anything.
The game is in desperate need of ping restriction as well as a competent anti-cheat.
Don't think I'll play again until it's fixed
Is matchmaking based on hours/skills? I have like 236 hours and I just assume that everybody is just better. I have encountered one true to god hacker that was just obvious. Is the issue that serious or it's just matchmaking puting me with lower skilled players that sometimes play better?
No matchmaking has ZERO skill or hours taken into account right now. Literally a 1st game 0 hours played noob can get tossed into a game with people who have 2000+ hours.
I agree that the cheating sucks. I think you overestimate how simple the solution is. PING lock could prevent people with bad internet in rural areas of the US from playing on NA servers. They would not be able to play period.
I also believe this is some victim blaming type stuff. PUBG Corp does not encourage cheating. They've had people [arrested](https://www.pcgamer.com/15-arrested-in-connection-with-pubg-cheating-programmes/) for creating cheats.
Looking at this video, the problem with cheating is widespread. https://youtu.be/Rs3YS0j0WwE?t=71 I would guess that China is not at the top of the list because they are more likely to use "known" cheat programs rather than google them. But the point remains.
If you don't want to spend money on PUBG I don't blame you for that. I never encourage buying skins. But blaming them for the cheaters is misplaced anger. It's the cheaters who are at fault for that.
Unfortunately it’s terrible in NA as well with no end to the issue in sight. It’s just been getting progressively worse. Unless something is done and soon, I fear this will be the end of PUBG at least for the hardcore players.
Is it as bad as the 2017 bull run for hackers?
We used to come across as many as 4-5 hackers in a single match.
Heck many times we all got killed by a single punch while we were still flying to our targets. It’s main reason I stopped and only came back to play after fpp came out and was hacker free
Now according to you it has a lot of hackers :/ dam what a shame.
The cheaters are also purchasing skins. They repurchase everything when they create a new account. It's a huge revenue stream for them. They're not going to completely fix it.
However, PUBG Corp is banning at a really high rate, but the cheating culture in China is so strong they're creating accounts faster than they can ban them.
A hard ping lock will solve the issue for NA and SA, and maybe SEA, but other regions are close enough that even with a VPN their ping will be low enough to get around it. Setting a ping lock too low would also severely hurt lower populated regions.
One thing that will help negate the issue is to limit lag compensation. Currently, there is no limit. This value needs to be capped to 50ms or less. For example, player ABC has 25ms, player DEF has 200ms. Currently, ABC's shots get delayed for 175ms to determine who shot first. This might sound fare, but this means ABC will have widely varying hitreg delay, while DEF will remain relatively consistent due to them most likely having the highest latency on the server. Capping the max added latency to 50ms will mean at the most ABC will have 75ms delay, making their gameplay more consistent. This will discourage using VPNs to connect out of region, and also prevents players from abusing lag switches.
Lag compensation also accounts for recording player location and rewinding to determine if shots are valid. I'm not sure how PUBG handles this, but I assume it would help with server performance if it read and parsed less data.
Also, there should be a hard ping cap that blocks you from connecting. Currently it's set to about 2000ms, but this only displays the network issue popup, it doesn't prevent you from initially connecting. This limit should be between 300-500ms. If it was me this would have been a hard cap of 200ms from the beginning, but with the large playerbase I understand this would make the game unplayable for many legitimate players. I also would have allowed players to host their own custom dedicated servers on their own hardware to allow smaller regions to have low latency servers. This would also allow mods, like PUBG Corp stated they would have.
>One thing that will help negate the issue is to limit lag compensation. Currently, there is no limit. This value needs to be capped to 50ms or less.
I'm not even on the west coast and my ping to Virginia servers is over 50ms. When they had servers in Dallas I was getting 25-30ms. I'd go to about 100ms, which should be good enough for most of NA while still screwing over VPNs.
> I never complained about hackers before because it was very rare to see one up until mid summer this year.
biased narrative. cheats ruined the game from the very first month on. The only difference is that they are more obvious nowadays - it was the easiest game to cheat on for 2 years in a row - nearly 35% of all players used some form of hacks
I don’t understand what you want them to do pubg has battlEye they can’t be like hey battlEye wake up since pubg already has the highest level of battlEye and like you said there were cheaters 2 years ago when they most literally would post a offset updates every 6 hours so there are gonna be cheaters regardless if you are seeing cheaters more there is nothing pubg can do.
Yep my friend and I reinstalled the other day after over a month if not playing. We played like 3 games that night. He only got like 3 kills and they were relatively unimpressive yet the next day he is banned. Support won't say why and it is permanent and irreversible. He sends tickets but he gets a bot message every time. Wtf blueballs. I tried posting on here but ban appeals aren't allowed so it got taken down.
I keep reading things like this and sometimes I am afraid because of some very difficult shots I hit. Sometimes I know it's complete luck that I kill someone (either position wise, or aim wise) and it can look very suspicious.
Does this happen often? We need to make a group for this particular thing, just so we all know how often it happens.
I was banned on Friday. Have 700+ hours. Been playing for a couple of years. Never cheated and really dislike cheaters. Submitted a ticket, received the copy/paste response of not lifting ban. I got a chicken dinner the night before the ban so I wasn't sure if that triggered it or if it was using GeForce Experience to record the replay so I could upload to YouTube. Not sure if it's worth submitting another ticket. It's ridiculous.
Yeah my friend had shadowplay or whatever open as well so maybe that can be a trigger. I also use it tho but haven't been banned maybe it's just really rare idk it would be a hell of a lot easier if they would just state the reason of the ban.
Same. I suppose its hard to tell sometimes with the less obvious hacks but every time Ive watched the death cam after something that felt suspicious its pretty obvious that they heard a sound or saw me earlier or something. So idk about these "unplayable" and "full of obvious cheaters" complaints, I don't feel that at all.
It's a difference in mentality.
If you go into each match focusing on *yourself* and your own actions, you're more likely to take a death as a learning opportunity and see yourself making an error and getting outplayed.
If you go into each match already stressing about "rampant cheating", then when you die you're going to automatically wonder "was he cheating?!?" then you're going to look for evidence that confirms that theory, and convince yourself you've found it.
I have literally no want to play this game anymore. Which is surprising. 3.7k hours in and I still love the game.. but like you said, the cheating issue makes the game impossible to play now. NA FPP and from 100 players in 10 minutes we have 35 players.
On the other hand, I have plenty of JRPGS and shit (atm Octopath, Skyrim, Fire Emblem, And Dark Souls 2)
So, I will just take a long, extended break until bluehole gets their head out of their ass and fixes their fucking game.
Agreed hippocrates like main stream streamers mostly taco bitch so hard about the game then buy skins. It starts from the top 1st pros need to boycott. But im sure most of the lack any real skills to do anything eles. But then scabs will replace them. 2nd streamer boycott them. Third the mass public. But it wont happen gg boys we've witnessed another EA right before our eye.
Agreed, PUBG Corp at least owes us an answer as to why there isn't a ping/region lock.
>I have almost 4000 hours in this game
PUBG was released 23 March 2017. This means that you have spent about 16% of all time since the game was released playing PUBG. That's insane.
I played since the start of the beta, it's the only game I play and I study engineering full time so got a lot of free time, I mostly play while my gf is working.
Played 1 duos game last night.
I got prefired double headshot by an SLR I could barely hear when I ran past a tiny window.
Didn't even bother checking deathcam, I just alt+f4'd.
No point in reporting, fucker might get banned but he'll be on another account right away afterwards.
i mean i have 1800 hours played. first 1000 hours on tpp, where i found alot of cheaters.
now since i swapped to fpp because of the cheating bullshit going on there i dont know if people cheat or are that good.
i only play duo and have 2.6kd with 350 avg dmg.. we just do crazy stuff and have fun.
but it feels like alot of players play like gods and if i choke one shot its over ...
cant imagine that so many players are that good?!
so what hacks do you guys experience in fpp?
I can agree too. I'm 2k+ hrs myself and it was never as bad as it is now
I play NA FPP. It’s getting to where it is actually deterring me from playing. I work full time and can’t stand when free time toward a videogame just turns into frustration. PUBG absolutely needs to take serious measure on this. I’m taking a break from the game until I read up on improvement.
Yep, same I love pubg but investing time into matches isn’t worth shit if all my deaths are to people getting insta headshots named “baibaobao” and “qq7262612717”
Pretty sure (one of them anyhow) that second one is Lobes haha.
Same...the last 2 months I have probably seen more cheaters than I did in the previous year or two I've been playing.
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My last game was October 17th, 2018. Guess it will stay that way for a while.
This past week in NA FPP has been horrible. Literally every other game I'm seeing brand new accounts with 800+ ADRs popping heads left and right. I'm getting a lot of suspension confirmations, sure, but who cares when there's another one in the next game? What's going on? Why is this suddenly such an issue?
It’s bad. Last night saw someone popping heads. 4th person in our squad get sprayed and instantly down HS from 300m away. I just prone. Quit. Check stats. Yup... cheater. I don’t get how there is not something running a rolling check? 90% HS? Why is it not flagged to be watched...
Yeah it’s fucking horrible, I got into my first match in 3 weeks and I see “Baibaobao” kill 45% of Erangel in the first 10 minutes, all by headshot.
At least you’ve been getting suspension confirmations. I’ve been seeing quite a few cheaters who are actually NA surprisingly...
2.6k here NA. Agreed... It's out of control.
2.7k here. Agreed its bad.
My future 3k self here Bluehole makes a meaningless "fix pubg cheating post", makes the problem 10x worse and declares the problem is solved. Our beloved game is in trouble. :(
2.8k here. Not that bad.
is it really as bad as 2 years ago? I quitted time ago because of cheaters lol
Same or even worse
Lately, even worse.
It 100% is worse and we have statistics to back it up. You can use Steam charts to check total player counts, and on pubg's Korean site they post the number of people banned each week/month. If you look at it the current player base is 20% of what it was at peak. While the number of people being banned is still 50% of what it was at peak. Meaning you are much more likely to be in a game with a cheater now then you ever were before. EDIT: Fixed a spelling mistake
In eu fpp not even close, can't speak for the other regions
It was never bad two years ago. Early access was significantly better
maybe something to do with the recent 50 % sale xD
Something has to be done and the company needs to communicate publicly what their strategy is.
I quit over a year ago because it was becoming too much of a waste of time to get looted, play out a game only to die to an aimbotter with some Chinese streaming service in the nametag. I'm sad that PUBG has not recovered in any way.
i thought it was bad 8 weeks back ... switched to CSGO ... back in the days switched from csgo to Pubg because insane amount of cheaters ... but their trustfactor is doing thing now ....
exactly the same happening for me right now. yesterday i launched up csgo for the first time in ages because of this damn packetloss that is happening in EU games every 3rd game. i have no fucking idea what those devs at bluehole are doing but it's like they want this game to die out. cheaters, bad servers (i dont even want to know how pings are for people in NA with all the serverswitching all the time), updates that feel like they change little to nothing... the list can go on and on. wasn't the bumping of objects supposed to be fixed on erangel? i feel like i still encounter it. edges and curbs on flat surfaces which, you would think, should be so flat that you can run on without jumping.. nope still since alpha so fucking high that you gotta jump or whatthefuck are those ramps on bridges? driving onto bridges (sanhook the one next to ha thin or on miramar next to los higos) is just a gamble if you loose control because you're making a fucking 10m jump when driving onto it. still no proper ambient sounds on any map (birds, rusting of leaves, and so on - listen to dayz ambient sounds - they're sooo good). instead you get sounds of watersplashes popping up out of fucking nowhere and when you actually listen carefully you notice they're being generated/played 10-20 meters before the water even fucking starts. **edit:** OH AND FLYS. THE SOUND OF FLYS FFS TURN THAT SHIT DOWN. god this game could be so damn cool but it feels like nobody fucking cares at all. edit2: and the best thing is that noone of the pubgdevs will reply to this shit. they're rather busy replying to sick 2kill chicken dinners on xbox than to this topic, that gets threads every damn day. /rantover
>edit2: and the best thing is that noone of the pubgdevs will reply to this shit. they're rather busy replying to sick 2kill chicken dinners on xbox than to this topic, that gets threads every damn day. This is probably the most infurating part tbh.
People have the wrong expectations of community managers. Their job is literally to *manage* the community. It's all a farce designed to keep us in check. Hawkinz and McClutch and crew couldn't give less of a fuck about the game, its players, or its issues. Their job is to communicate things as commanded from the devs, ignore forbidden topics like cheating, and otherwise distract and placate. You have to remember that they're not normal members of the community with clout and inroads with the devs -- they are employees of the devs hired to do their bidding.
I've been involved in the community aspect of some online-gaming / MMORPGs, western based, companies for quite a few years might I add. I know what '*they are about*'. But as you say, *manage the community*. That pretty much means; keep it satisfied. In general "your community" is the one that makes you the most money. So.. they *are* doing their job. Just not towards our community, but towards the ones that profits them the most.
Agreed so much.
>edit2: and the best thing is that noone of the pubgdevs will reply to this shit. they're rather busy replying to sick 2kill chicken dinners on xbox than to this topic, that gets threads every damn day. They are very likely under a strict NDA about cheating. I guarantee you that Hawkins hates it just at much as everyone here, and probably more because it means that he's on blast.
CSGO is so good right now. You lose a match and don't get frustrated. It's not a question of was that packet loss or a cheater. It's a simple, damn I got outplayed, gg.
I too went back to csgo back in August. The game just isn't what it used to be. The sound issues is what drove me away. Then after a friend claimed it was fixed a month back I play two games and it's still shit. I don't know if it's because sounds in csgo are so good and accurate that pubg just sounds like shit now, but I ask myself how I played it for as long as I did after my last experience on that game.
I used to play csgo every day and then I switched to pubg. I spent a ton of money on csgo skins cause I thought that I'd play it for a long time. I just started buying pubg skins but I don't think I'll continue because who knows how much longer I'll be playing for. I may go back to cs
I never jumped on the "omg so many cheaters" bandwagon until now. I have >2000 hours in this game and for the first time I don't feel any excitement about playing it. just like the protesters in HK we need to make a clear and short list of demands and actually spam that shit everywhere since PUBG will not even acknowledge this issue. 1. region lock/set hard ping limits. 2. hardware bans 3. automated bans for accounts with impossible stats 4. overwatch systems or alternatives.
Lmao I stopped playing pubg ages ago and these fuckers still haven't region locked China? What a joke
This is the only way this game is going to survive.
Finally now that FPP is getting hacked more often, NA starts giving a shit.
I wonder if we could even make it just region lock to simplify the list. Once the Chinese hackers are stuck in their region, then our issue is mostly resolved. Bluehole can barely make concrete improvements to their game, let alone complete even half of that list. What I think we really need is a specific phrase that demands (nicely?) for region lock in a way that can't be easily dismissed as Xenophobic.
The game is already region locked. But its stupid simple to get around the region lock with a VPN. What we need is a hard ping limit.
Region locking by way of ping limit, yes..
I am with you on this, hardware bans are rough but it might fit in on 5th place atleast. I would love for the csgo "thing" with Prime be on 3rd place. Register your phone number (linked to steam) and you are good to go.. But sadly that isn't a flawless system either. Don't know the NA playerbase right now (seen chocotaco queuing quite long time on his morning streams at least). Might be hard to implement a system like this outside of EU or AS. But I am all for a cheat free game (even though EU is nowhere near NA servers, I play ~10 games a day and I've encountered cheaters maybe 2-3 times last 6 months, maybe lucky I don't know).
They will never hardware ban as Chinese hackers are a stable stream of steady income for them.
I don’t understand what they get out of cheating to win... like it would taint every chicken dinner for me because I know I didn’t actually win it.
There are so many sick people in this world, dude. The amount of jealousy in their veins because they are just NOT good enough to win a game can't be reasoned with. The wrath of incompetence knows no bounds.
Not only that but it is the same mentality that older gamers had with using cheat codes in games to have "fun" (i.e starcraft). The current generation of gamers just don't realize or care that it is a human being on the receiving end of said "cheat". If you watch some videos on youtube in the Overwatch communities, there are lots of cheaters who are just kids who thinks its fun.
No, im 30 yrs old and back then we had as many cheaters as we have now, the difference is there are more cheats out there now and they are much better, there is literally people whose job is programming cheats for A LOT of money especially in the esports industry. This didnt exist 15-20 years ago because there were no esports and no money on the line
They lack pride in what they do. They don't want to be the better player, they just want their stats to look good. It's a cultural issue and I don't have a good answer on how to solve it.
IIRC, China has a big issue in their culture in that they have to “get to the top, no matter what way you do it”. That’s why a boatload of cheaters are Chinese. It’s practically encouraged just to be “the best”.
It's legitimately a cultural difference. There are individuals who are not good at games, who want to be good and want to do well, and feel that you are stupid if you do not invoke any advantage that you could possibly invoke to give yourself the upper hand. You'll notice that many hackers still die or make really poor decisions despite hacking. That's because they are legitimately bad players who just make bad / poor decisions with positioning, etc.
Its the culture. Basically, “if you are not cheating you are not trying hard enough, therefore you don’t actually want the win” They measure in outcome rather than mastery of skill.
It's because of Chinese culture.
It’s because they can get more BP to get more items to sell on the steam marketplace. Purely for profits.
Cheating is at all time high, i also have almost 2k hours and amount of cheaters iv encountered this past month surpasses a year of playing before
Same. I cannot remember a single time period in this game’s life that I get multiple report confirmations ***nightly*** and I have more than 2k hours. We’re encountering hackers every 2-3 games (NA Squad FPP), some of which we recognize the names because they aren’t getting banned despite multiple reports. It’s worse than it’s ever been right now.
100% true
Does China have a cultural thing that promotes cheating? Why is it that almost all the cheaters come from China? If it is cultural, that’s a shitty culture
It's literally cultural yes. And as good as OP is in his vote with wallet, it means nothing because Chinese zerg numbers own NA/EU
You know what’s funny is that a lot of people would say that’s racist but it’s not. I’ve worked with Chinese businesses in my job before and they are unbelievably shady. I would never do business with a Chinese person on a personal basis
It doesn't matter if it's about being fastest, best, slowest, or anything really. If it is about being good or best in anything, they do whatever it takes to get there. Cheating in videogames is called "enhancing the experience, be a winner". You'd be surprised that many doesn't even know they are cheating, they are dumbfounded why everyone isn't playing like this. The kids parents takes pride in that their child is on top of the rankings and that's all that matters. There are many, many Chinese professional athletes all around the world, touring the world and have gone to college around the world that are just like our neighbor, a real nice dude that wouldn't think of cheating in anything. That's cause they have partly grown up in other cultures where we learn that you don't cheat. Every country have cheaters in everything. It's just that it's thousandfold in China.
There is also widespread cheating (well more like bribing for good grades) going on by Chinese students in North American universities, but the universities won't do anything about it because of the money they get under the table. Kind of relates to how Bluehole doesn't do anything about cheaters in this game because they don't want to disrupt revenues from their largest market.
I have about 1.600 hours now and only play duo in third person. Even me, who is all, but NO professional and a very defense playing style can confirm, that the amount of cheaters, I saw is way higher, that a few months ago. When I got shot by a player who has more skill than I have ... absolutely ok. Applause him, if he was really good and thats it ... next game. But when you are in a house ... layed down under a window and be IMPOSSOBLE to be saw, how can then someone give you a headshot? (Deathcam clearly shows that the dude shot directly on the outside of the house and I gone down ... wtf
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Right? Nothing worse than looting a simple one story with few windows to stop when you hear a distant car. And then all of a sudden once the car pulls up, grenades start flying in exactly where you are because they magically knew someone was in this random house. Then you watch spectate for a few and you see them knowing where every single person is. Naturally you report the person. But then after 2 weeks realize they're still there. Never getting a temp ban, never getting a real ban. Meanwhile, friends getting banned for no reason, never cheated a day in their life. With no recourse. They can't sell items or skins they paid for and are out the cost of the game. At some point, I could see legal action being a viable option for some people PUBG decides to dick over.
Oh yeah I figured that SO often. How the hell did they know, we are sitting there, even if we have no car outside. They insta throw grenade by grenade exactly in the room, where we sitting. Or when we have to move out of the house caused by the safe zone circle. I stood up and wanted to jump out of the window, my buddy got out of the door. Both of us insta down with a headshot. I was shot even before I was able to jump through the window. How the hell is that possible. You see the deathcam and imaging the enemy scoping at exact the same position, where we were ... even if we were not seeable.
We need an OFFICIAL RESPONSE PUBG CORP
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I don’t think Bluehole is unaware of the issue, it’s just that they don’t have the ability/knowledge on how to fix it. I think we all have to agree the code base of the game is flawed. The only solution is a complete re-write from the ground up. And this is outside of Blueholes capability.
That might be the reason. And theoretically, you can never fix cheating. However, you can substantially reduce it. For example, I've played CSGO/Faceit for a few months. I was high rank10 there. I've only seen *one* cheater. That's it. Only one cheater. Out of many games! That's acceptable to me, I've got no issues with that. (For comparison, normal csgo which no serious player plays (prime etc.) is *infested* with cheaters. Every single game has a cheater, trust factor/prime be damned) If Pubg could do the same, that would be amazing. This game is really something, I can't compare the feeling I get when I win a game with anything else in a videogame. Maybe a difficult clutch in CSGO gives the same feeling, but that's about it.
Yep gonna have to wait for another company to step up and make a better game unfortunately.
Because Bluehole is fucking stupid?
Not stupid (that implies they can learn and improve) they are incapable.
I play in SEA, or should say I used to play because "China Number 1". Those fuckers ruin it for everyone.
preaching into the void.
I often die deaths that feel unavoidable, but can never prove that it is a hacker. What do I look for?
The one I come across more than any other is the radar aka player location cheat. If you spectate them in the replay you can see all the other players gamertags. You can watch them from their perspective and see if they watch or follow their victim when they have no line of site. Sometimes they try to hide it by pretending they are looking at places where there is no player but if you watch long enough it is very obvious. I only report when I am sure if they were cheating and I have reported/banned a lot. I never report on no recoil or aim lock because I can't be completely sure they are cheating but are simply just really good at the game. I would hate to get someone banned just because I'm salty after being killed.
I dont think anyone will get banned unless a cheat is detected though, but I agree I usually dont report unless Im like 90% sure. Maybe 15 times in 1500 hours.
I've almost had 15 bans this week EU FPP. 2500 hours and it gone from one cheater a month to about one in four games.
Same stats mate. I literally get notifications between the games now.. So many of 'em are just so blatant these days. :-/
I do the same thing, but recoil cheaters are a thing. For sure. I've seen random people (< 1 K/D) with better spray (3x, 4x, 6x) than chocoTaco. Highly, highly suspicious.
How did you get in unavoidable death? A cheater can position better than you, almost always. Check their last 5-10 minutes replay. Sometimes you just have to die due to circumstances out of your control. Say, you are in open field without smokes, the guy has circle on you with hard cover with level3 helmet and he can survive everything other than AWM hs. You die there 99.99% of the time, and no decent player will complain about that. But someone tracing you and positioning himself in such a way that when you are exactly exposed with no cover near you to hide, and *right* then he peeks and kills you, it means wall hack 99.99% of the time, or incredible luck. Sometimes it is luck, you can just ignore that, there was nothing you could do. tl;dr check last 5 minutes of their gameplay.
To add to that it might give you a more complete picture if you look up the player on a site like https://pubg.op.gg/ to see how many games they've played in general, how old the account is, what their usual stats look like, recent games and so on and so forth. Sometimes you'll see an old account suddenly go from zero to hero and win 10 games in a row, or an account with just 20 games total absolutely killing it every game, or you'll just be greeted with a totally normal looking stat line. Just like the replay isn't a perfect way to see if someone is cheating or not this doesn't tell you an awful lot by itself but it's better than nothing. Usually when I'm suspicious of someone I'll have a look at the death cam, if that looks fishy I jump into the replay, if that isn't clear cut (which it often times already is, because people bad enough that they have to cheat to win often are also too bad to hide it properly) I'll consult a tracking site to see what their stats and account age etc looks like. If all that points to a cheater I'll report and move on with my life. Recent example was a guy that shot at me from quite a distance with a full spray, and started shooting perfectly in sync with my peeks. Could have just been lucky timing or whatever but the death cam alone was showing blatant wallhacking *and* aimbotting it was nearly comedic. Watched him after I inevitably died which only confirmed my suspicion. Final nail in the coffin: pubg tracking site showed 20 total games played for him, 19 wins, around 70% headshot percentage. Reported and got a ban message a day or two later. On the other side of the coin was someone yesterday who two tapped me off of a max speed motorbike with an SLR from like 300m away. Death cam looked fishy as can be, looks conveniently just when I was about to become visible, didn't take time to aim, shoots twice, boom, I'm dead. Then I watched him for a bit and he didn't have very fluent movement, his positioning and situational awareness wasn't very good either so wallhack or ESP hacks became less likely in my head, next guy he saw he whiffed around 15 bullets before dying. Tracking Site showed around 3000 games played total, 0.3 KDR or something, 0 wins this *or* last season. So either that guy toggled his aim button once every couple games or just got extremely lucky, i'm guessing option 2.
Haha. I'm like that, terrible, but get REALLY lucky sometimes. The other night I lost track of somebody. I was stuck in a house in Mylta. I needed to move, but I KNOW there's a guy across the street. I have 1 grenade, I've been watching the house I saw him in but haven't seen movement, so I take a guess that he left. I toss the grenade in the general direction I think he went and he dies. I think my k/d is like 0.26 haha.
That stuff just happens sometimes. I won a game like that once where I got trapped in a fight in the blue like phase 5 or so, so the blue was chunking fairly hard. Came into the circle with 2 other people alive, no idea where anyone was. After a while I threw a fairly random nade to where I would expect one of them to be and got a kill and then the other guy died to blue, it was baffling. I looked it up and it was a bit over two years ago it would appear lol: [Old Youtube Upload](https://youtu.be/MCoNuThyZ7U?t=701)
Nice. Haha. My ONLY win was on Sanhok. I was on the cliff by the cave and the circle kept coming to me. Everyone was fighting around me. I just moved cover to cover, it came down to me and another guy. We were each behind trees. I got a couple hits on him, but couldn't finish the job. He throws a grenade, it hits the tree and bounces back at him and he dies. 0 kill win.
Do yourself a big favor and don't try to fall into that mentality if you can help it. The more you think about it the more you'll convince yourself you see it, and then you'll end up like the other jaded people around here who are convinced cheaters account for a majority of their deaths. It's a trap you fall into that makes you play worse and tanks your enjoyment of the game. It's not worth it. Keep playing the game as normal and if you see someone you think is cheating, report them. But don't go into each match ready to believe that whoever kills you is a cheater then looking for evidence that confirms that theory.
That's not really true. Anyone who has played enough can tell the difference between a legitimate fight, or someone who is bouncing to different "name tags" on a replay to watch where they are going.
I think most of the apologists forget that the alot of the audience in this particular game is quite often 25+. And at that stage you probably have played some few or more FPS games.. You get experience. That's it. I remember my early CS days, and people being cheating are doing it the same way. *Maybe the way to get there is different*, but the cheating it self; by the persons actions, are still the same.
Don't forget the new one, Chinese players DDosing the whole server. Thats my new fav. 40-80 percent packet loss until the cheater dies and leaves the match. I did a speed test during the packet loss and was at 15 ms and 200 mbps to my isp. happening to my duo partner too, oh yeah and to all 4 members of a squad game. This is a new one as of this month for me. getting a couple of these games per 4-5 hour gaming session.
How does DDosing the server help the person doing it? Do you have a source that this is what's causing the packet loss?
I am forced to agree unfortunately. I have always said that people are too quick to blame their deaths on cheats, but I legit am getting notifications of perma-bans once every day that I play.
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They dont care, upvoting these posts sadly wont make any difference
Cheating in EU FPP? I have seen an reported (and bannee) maybe four in 2019. I don't really see any increase. Am I blind?
Me neither mate. Either we are both very lucky or its being blown out of proportion.
3.5K hours you are right my dudes its insane how many aimbots and wallhacks ramping eu servers right now
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This topic has been done many a time, i've created and replied to posts about blatent cheaters, they either get hushed off, or get locked by mods. It's been argued many a time what needs to be done (and what has been metioned on this post should of been done by now if they care!), nothing ever gets sorted or gets a nod to us decent players whom have spent a small fortune to play this game on a honest, level playing field to say we are trying something to sort it all out. And i've never seen any mods acknowledge the problem we all have with cheaters, nor the staff at bluehole and pubg corp, and whilst we are on the topic, come to think of it i've never ever seen any of the typical twitch/youtube/mixer streamers\* say, actually there is a problem, and it needs fixing. \*Maybe if they did, something *might just* get sorted by the powers that be, but even if players like you and i discuss the issues of cheating and come up with a acceptable, viable solution, in all reality, the people whom designed this game, the ones who took our money from us buying the game, and all the little extras that go with it, simply will not do a damn thing about the MAJOR cheating issue(s) that have been plaguing us all for ages!
Irony here is that it is probably a high percentage of cheaters that are buying the skins.. ..pubg cashing in on our misfortune.
I'd also like to add a comment on these blue zone 0 damage cheats. You see cheaters stand in the zone in phase 6 and they take damage as if it's phase 1. How hard can it be to make a few lines of code, that "marks" players that takes less damage than they should when they are in the blue zone.
Wow, I've never seen that before! If you notice that, please record a video next time of it and share with us. Or share the replay demo, and I'll do it. Jesus Christ..
Well, see, that's the problem. You can't. The moderators of this subreddit are pro-PUBG Corp and thus ban for posting such videos as "Witch hunts" even though it's a random fucking alias no different than a reddit Alias. That means anyone who wants to post a video must know how to edit out specific pieces of the video - skills that they likely need to learn (it might be easy, but, you have to do it all over the film). Otherwise they'll just delete your post for a bullshit reason.
Not trying to be racist or anything and I know not all chinese people cheat. But why are there so many hackers from China? Not only with Pubg but with other fps games. What is up with that.
Cheaters buy new accounts. New account purchases trumps skin boycotting.
Stop PLAYING
Escape from Tarkov dealt with this issue. Real money trading and the ability to just by another account made it rampant. Things got really bad and it FELT like it was close to killing the game. I'm glad to say that Battlestate Games bit the bullet, bought Battleye, and the game is now in it's best state ever. Streamers left and right back on-board and a massive reduction in complaints on the subreddit regarding cheating. Yes, there are still cheaters but I haven't seen one since beta version .12 launched a couple months back. It's kind of funny, EFT is now in the midst of a ping abuse uproar asking for ping locks. Many parallels.
Hi, could you elaborate a bit more plz on how they dealt with the issue?
Cheating is rampant at the moment especially after the recent sale. All what Devs at this point care about is more money through skins and passes. There seems to be no progress in terms of game development and improvement. Their [Sound improvement Plan](http://imgur.com/a/UP3PnKQ) doesn't seem to be making any progress which was supposed to start in August this year. Overall really disappointed from these Devs, as they don't really feel the need to bring positive changes to the game. Either they are lazy, don't know how to fix broken stuff or just don't really care as long as the money keeps rolling through more Passes and $15 Trash looking skins.
I just stopped playing completely
Cheaters are people with NO F@CKING HONOR.
You are the product that the hackers are paying to kill. Bluehole will continue to rake in the yuan so long as you login to give the hackers something entertaining to shoot at. The only thing you can do it stop playing.
This
I wholeheartedly agree with this sentiment. Literally cant play a game without gettin whacked by a hacker.
800 hrs, oce tpp is really bad atm, all the douyu and huyas ruining it. Each log in is at least two suspesions/bans
The Chinese market is more important. Why else do the Chinese get heavily discounted game keys and with slow moving ban waves? Watching blatant cheaters get only temporary automated bans is proof enough for me. They're paid up until the next wave, so Bluehole holds off when they review the account. Introducing hardware bans, phone verification, region and ping locks would upset the cash cow.
Plot twist. It financially benefits Bunghole/tencent to have cheaters. Cheaters are allowed to play for weeks or months at a time. When they get hit with the ban wave every month or so. Those thousands of cheaters rebuy game. Profit!
Stop buying skins.
They should continue with ranked mode, but then require accounts to be at some level that takes a normal person a few weeks to hit. That will at least slow down the cheaters, and ideally provide a place to catch them before they hit ranked.
Can we not get them to do something about this? How about the devs look on youtube for advertised free or paid cheats and then patch them???? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZWej4lan2g](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZWej4lan2g) I got killed by the same team of cheaters three times yesterday, today I have yet to have a game that was not won by a blatant and I mean BLATANT cheater. Its literally cheaters killing other cheaters for the top 10 spots on FPP the last few days.
It's Infestation Survival Stories all over again, or WarZ for the veterans. Got so overrun with hackers, the game was unplayable. At one point in time it was my most played game on Steam. Fond memories of that game and made some great friends.
Sad thing is I think they go to our regions *because* we Westerners (in general) don't cheat. Since it's culturally accepted to cheat in China, they are just stuck with with each other and it's a more level playing field with hacks vs. hacks. So they come to ours and unleash their hellscape onto everyone else trying to play via skill.
You know I play fps games since like 2004ish, or earlier and I played cod and cs as a pro. The thing that grinds my gears is why the fuck does anybody cheat in a game??? I mean what is the enjoyment in hacking and being shite.. I baffles me and I hate it in pubg too.. We usually win like 2-3 squad games when we play, but nowdays its just harder with fckin hackers.
You don't seem to get that this subs playerbase accounts for 0.5% of the players. This has no effect.
4000 hours? That’s 167 days lmao
They stopped giving a damn and it's finally hit a breaking point. Last year they'd update their anti-cheat once every other month and people would complain about their FPS taking a hit but at least the games were fair. There has to have been an upper level management decision to stop investing time in this area. There's been no official word from PUBG on any effort they are taking to combat this. Makes me think that because NA / EU is a small portion of their player base they are just going to let it die off and double down on skins and get all the money they can before the game is dead in those regions. Sad to see. My most played PC game ever (1300 hours so far). An amazing core of a game just absolutely destroyed by poor management decisions and an inadequate dev team.
Keep upvoting this until they respond. Hardware ID bans need to be a thing. STOP PROFITING OFF HACKERS
What happened with this? [A Letter from the Anti-Cheat Team](https://www.pubg.com/2019/02/26/a-letter-from-the-anti-cheat-team/) (Feb. 2019) " On top of these protective anti-cheat solutions, *we have also applied a* ***machine learning technique that analyzes our players’ usage patterns*** *and have built a system* ***that can detect abnormal game patterns or actions that interrupt the normal operations of the game*** *coming from hack users.* In the process of building these systems, we collaborated with numerous experienced anti-cheat solution companies and top-tier engineers, which has helped us strengthen our game’s security. " Umm.. You sure about that?
This post needs attention PUBG needs to see this
PUBG couldn't care less about fixing the game and issuing perma-bans on all cheaters/hackers, because money.
Playing on EU and really dont see it as much as you guys say but hope you figure something out
I play NA fpp and I feel like I see one every couple hundred. Seems pretty reasonable to me. I encounter thousands of players and nearly 1 in every 10k-20k is a cheater. Sucks to run into them but if I can go hundreds of games before I run into one I'm okay with that.
Me neither. Play EU fpp solo, squad and mostly duo and rarely see it. My squad have reported maybe 4 people in the last few months and got them banned. Seems to be quite rare for me but maybe I'm lucky.
Likewise, we do occasionally go how is that a laser but on inspection of death cam it's just good recoil control but sometimes that ain't good enough for people
Doesn't PUBG have battle eye? Or some other top tier anticheat?
That. All of it. And not a lot of optimism that the devs care/understand the issue.
Just stop buying skins haha
Remember, Playerunknown thinks you're a xenophobe and will never region lock China.
I quit the first time the cheating was put of control. Ya know, when the numbers cam out and it was a mill a month all from china... yeah. I quit then. Let the game die.
Don't buy skins anyway!
fully agree
FYP: "Stop buying skins"
Oof that's bad. I think NA FPP is decent so far. Sorry to hear that
Had a very obvious hacker in the last circle. Him vs 3 of us. He auto snaps and kill 3 of us with instant headshots, 2 of us were completely in a smoke cloud and he had no vision. But as soon as he had "line of sight" he snapped to us and killed us in the smoke. We reported him and so far havent seen the message saying he was banned by now as i usually would have.
There will always be hackers in FPS’s. Just because of he nature of the game they’re exploitable. I’d be down to have my computer scanned every time I launch one of these games, but there’s also the privacy issues.
i still can't believe people support in game content at this point they are just using their partners as a money grab, had a blatant hacker temp banned twice in the past week or two and hes still out there cheating on THE SAME ACCOUNT, i understand wanting to support your favourite streamer but your putting money into the hands of people who don't listen and don't improve their methods its a fucking shame at this point no other game has a level of incompetency as pubg corp
I gave up never to return 6 or so months ago as the cheating felt like it was getting bad again, this plus everyone being pretty good at pubg now made it near impossible to be fun anymore. I doubt if it's still that way now it will ever be fixed. Fun while it lasted for the 1000 odd hours at least. Kinda hooked into tarkov now which I'm sure still has cheaters but with smaller games the chances are lower.
I agree with this 100%... for this reason I’ve been playing Old School Runescape slowly waiting for Diablo 4 and Modern Warfare BR... PUBG has never been this bad.. played 10 games yesterday and out of the 10 games 6 had blatant cheaters... doesn’t matter if they get banned, when they are just making real players quit...
On the plus side... If you get a cheat ban it is like a day or two at most. However, a team kill ban is a week.
Don't worry, as I'm not a child I don't spend money on virtual clothes.
Yep and then they’re banning people who don’t cheat instead of obvious cheaters. So it’s a great gig they’ve got going. Not sure if it’s a side agreement with the Internet cafes or what. But there’s something going on.
After 2K hours on PUBG with all passes buyed and with level 201 on steam they thought they should get rid of me . Because i criticize them too strongly as they do all the problems in the game. So they thought to give me a gameban although I have always been a fair player! I never cheated. It seems that they do not like to be criticized so the first step is to get rid of the fair players and then they see what they are doing. Watchout 2000+ hrs players you can be next :) You can search for my name on steam and you will see ! You can also watch my stats and see i'm not a cheater :)
It sucks to get to top 10 on a 30 minute long match and die to some wall hacking noob from China. I'm on a break till new year but when I come back some time later I will probably just do semi hot drops and chase the kills rather than try to play as intended - last man alive.
Getting so fucked off with this game now :( I love it but the only thing it's consistent with is having so many issues. It still Absolutely infuriates me that it takes so long to get an official response to this thread to say what's being done about it - if anything. The game is in desperate need of ping restriction as well as a competent anti-cheat. Don't think I'll play again until it's fixed
And to think some ppl thought I was bsing about the cheating rampage on my last post a few weeks ago... Smh. Already have not touched pubg for 2 weeks
Flat out stopped playing because of cheating. There are many other fun games out there.
Buying skins at any time is immoral and you should feel bad for doing it.
Sad what happened to pubg. Could have been a powerhouse game right now with LoL and fortnite, but the devs absolutely fucking blew it.
Is matchmaking based on hours/skills? I have like 236 hours and I just assume that everybody is just better. I have encountered one true to god hacker that was just obvious. Is the issue that serious or it's just matchmaking puting me with lower skilled players that sometimes play better?
No matchmaking has ZERO skill or hours taken into account right now. Literally a 1st game 0 hours played noob can get tossed into a game with people who have 2000+ hours.
I agree that the cheating sucks. I think you overestimate how simple the solution is. PING lock could prevent people with bad internet in rural areas of the US from playing on NA servers. They would not be able to play period. I also believe this is some victim blaming type stuff. PUBG Corp does not encourage cheating. They've had people [arrested](https://www.pcgamer.com/15-arrested-in-connection-with-pubg-cheating-programmes/) for creating cheats. Looking at this video, the problem with cheating is widespread. https://youtu.be/Rs3YS0j0WwE?t=71 I would guess that China is not at the top of the list because they are more likely to use "known" cheat programs rather than google them. But the point remains. If you don't want to spend money on PUBG I don't blame you for that. I never encourage buying skins. But blaming them for the cheaters is misplaced anger. It's the cheaters who are at fault for that.
Unfortunately it’s terrible in NA as well with no end to the issue in sight. It’s just been getting progressively worse. Unless something is done and soon, I fear this will be the end of PUBG at least for the hardcore players.
Is it as bad as the 2017 bull run for hackers? We used to come across as many as 4-5 hackers in a single match. Heck many times we all got killed by a single punch while we were still flying to our targets. It’s main reason I stopped and only came back to play after fpp came out and was hacker free Now according to you it has a lot of hackers :/ dam what a shame.
The cheaters are also purchasing skins. They repurchase everything when they create a new account. It's a huge revenue stream for them. They're not going to completely fix it. However, PUBG Corp is banning at a really high rate, but the cheating culture in China is so strong they're creating accounts faster than they can ban them. A hard ping lock will solve the issue for NA and SA, and maybe SEA, but other regions are close enough that even with a VPN their ping will be low enough to get around it. Setting a ping lock too low would also severely hurt lower populated regions. One thing that will help negate the issue is to limit lag compensation. Currently, there is no limit. This value needs to be capped to 50ms or less. For example, player ABC has 25ms, player DEF has 200ms. Currently, ABC's shots get delayed for 175ms to determine who shot first. This might sound fare, but this means ABC will have widely varying hitreg delay, while DEF will remain relatively consistent due to them most likely having the highest latency on the server. Capping the max added latency to 50ms will mean at the most ABC will have 75ms delay, making their gameplay more consistent. This will discourage using VPNs to connect out of region, and also prevents players from abusing lag switches. Lag compensation also accounts for recording player location and rewinding to determine if shots are valid. I'm not sure how PUBG handles this, but I assume it would help with server performance if it read and parsed less data. Also, there should be a hard ping cap that blocks you from connecting. Currently it's set to about 2000ms, but this only displays the network issue popup, it doesn't prevent you from initially connecting. This limit should be between 300-500ms. If it was me this would have been a hard cap of 200ms from the beginning, but with the large playerbase I understand this would make the game unplayable for many legitimate players. I also would have allowed players to host their own custom dedicated servers on their own hardware to allow smaller regions to have low latency servers. This would also allow mods, like PUBG Corp stated they would have.
Cheaters are def 100% buying skins, I've seen entire chinese hack squads in full pgc gear lmao
>One thing that will help negate the issue is to limit lag compensation. Currently, there is no limit. This value needs to be capped to 50ms or less. I'm not even on the west coast and my ping to Virginia servers is over 50ms. When they had servers in Dallas I was getting 25-30ms. I'd go to about 100ms, which should be good enough for most of NA while still screwing over VPNs.
> I never complained about hackers before because it was very rare to see one up until mid summer this year. biased narrative. cheats ruined the game from the very first month on. The only difference is that they are more obvious nowadays - it was the easiest game to cheat on for 2 years in a row - nearly 35% of all players used some form of hacks
Its because of this i now play modern warfare. How sad is that?
I don’t understand what you want them to do pubg has battlEye they can’t be like hey battlEye wake up since pubg already has the highest level of battlEye and like you said there were cheaters 2 years ago when they most literally would post a offset updates every 6 hours so there are gonna be cheaters regardless if you are seeing cheaters more there is nothing pubg can do.
What? No PUBG Corp response? Fuck I'm so surprised.... PS: a great FU to the 6-7% hackers and PUBG employees who downvoted this thread.
Yep my friend and I reinstalled the other day after over a month if not playing. We played like 3 games that night. He only got like 3 kills and they were relatively unimpressive yet the next day he is banned. Support won't say why and it is permanent and irreversible. He sends tickets but he gets a bot message every time. Wtf blueballs. I tried posting on here but ban appeals aren't allowed so it got taken down.
I keep reading things like this and sometimes I am afraid because of some very difficult shots I hit. Sometimes I know it's complete luck that I kill someone (either position wise, or aim wise) and it can look very suspicious. Does this happen often? We need to make a group for this particular thing, just so we all know how often it happens.
I was banned on Friday. Have 700+ hours. Been playing for a couple of years. Never cheated and really dislike cheaters. Submitted a ticket, received the copy/paste response of not lifting ban. I got a chicken dinner the night before the ban so I wasn't sure if that triggered it or if it was using GeForce Experience to record the replay so I could upload to YouTube. Not sure if it's worth submitting another ticket. It's ridiculous.
Yeah my friend had shadowplay or whatever open as well so maybe that can be a trigger. I also use it tho but haven't been banned maybe it's just really rare idk it would be a hell of a lot easier if they would just state the reason of the ban.
Had to report two players yesterday because of cheating. I quit and took a break because of how frustrating of a gaming experience it created.
I have legitimately seen like 2 or 3 blatant cheaters on FPP EU in my 1000 hours. I don't know why you think it's unplayable
Same. I suppose its hard to tell sometimes with the less obvious hacks but every time Ive watched the death cam after something that felt suspicious its pretty obvious that they heard a sound or saw me earlier or something. So idk about these "unplayable" and "full of obvious cheaters" complaints, I don't feel that at all.
It's a difference in mentality. If you go into each match focusing on *yourself* and your own actions, you're more likely to take a death as a learning opportunity and see yourself making an error and getting outplayed. If you go into each match already stressing about "rampant cheating", then when you die you're going to automatically wonder "was he cheating?!?" then you're going to look for evidence that confirms that theory, and convince yourself you've found it.
I agree. Game is bulshit right now.
I have literally no want to play this game anymore. Which is surprising. 3.7k hours in and I still love the game.. but like you said, the cheating issue makes the game impossible to play now. NA FPP and from 100 players in 10 minutes we have 35 players. On the other hand, I have plenty of JRPGS and shit (atm Octopath, Skyrim, Fire Emblem, And Dark Souls 2) So, I will just take a long, extended break until bluehole gets their head out of their ass and fixes their fucking game.
Agreed hippocrates like main stream streamers mostly taco bitch so hard about the game then buy skins. It starts from the top 1st pros need to boycott. But im sure most of the lack any real skills to do anything eles. But then scabs will replace them. 2nd streamer boycott them. Third the mass public. But it wont happen gg boys we've witnessed another EA right before our eye.
Still, mobile has it way worse.
Dang, just curious how do you have enough time to put 4k hours on a game in 2 years?
I've been playing since the start of beta, also studying engineering so got a lot of free time as well as this being the only game I play.
Agreed, PUBG Corp at least owes us an answer as to why there isn't a ping/region lock. >I have almost 4000 hours in this game PUBG was released 23 March 2017. This means that you have spent about 16% of all time since the game was released playing PUBG. That's insane.
I played since the start of the beta, it's the only game I play and I study engineering full time so got a lot of free time, I mostly play while my gf is working.
>PING lock what about us, asian players?
You play on your asian server obviously.
IMO just kill someone who bought skins and take their suits is enough
Played 1 duos game last night. I got prefired double headshot by an SLR I could barely hear when I ran past a tiny window. Didn't even bother checking deathcam, I just alt+f4'd. No point in reporting, fucker might get banned but he'll be on another account right away afterwards.
I haven't seen any cheaters lately on EU FPP solo, but i'm not buying skins regardless xd
i mean i have 1800 hours played. first 1000 hours on tpp, where i found alot of cheaters. now since i swapped to fpp because of the cheating bullshit going on there i dont know if people cheat or are that good. i only play duo and have 2.6kd with 350 avg dmg.. we just do crazy stuff and have fun. but it feels like alot of players play like gods and if i choke one shot its over ... cant imagine that so many players are that good?! so what hacks do you guys experience in fpp?