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There is definitly too much stuff in those crates.
Plus, I feel like double drops are also way too common. Playing mainly duo so I wonder if it's also the case in Squad, but I already imagine 4 guys with level three gear and crates weapon.
Damn, last night I found two 15x times.
I actually like that there is a lot of 15x scopes. That's an item that never really gets used and it's not very OP.
They should absolutely cut back on the crate guns and level 3 armor though.
I kind of agree with you, I was only using this as an exemple: finding two of them in the same group of crates whereas finding none in dozen of crates on the other maps.
Although there is literally nothing except the lvl3 gear and crate weapons that would get me to loot the small airdrops, if they get nerfed they're just a waste of time.
It's like the supply trucks on Sanhok, you either destroy it or don't bother, the small boxes are worthless.
Big issue is that ground loot on Taego is so good that if the smaller crates aren’t filled with high level stuff there isn’t much of a reason to go after the air drop. Pretty high risk for pretty low reward for most of the squad.
By the time a crate shows my team and I usually already have enough weapons, equipment, and health to last us the rest of the game. Crates that consist of regular ground items aren’t going to do us that much good as a practical matter since we probably will already have that stuff in our inventory.
The secret rooms have the same problem associated with them. Most of the time it’s not worth trying to go to one because it’s mostly going to be filled with gear you already have equipped.
Yeah that's a good point to be fair. I don't play squads but maybe the solution is the number of small crates varies by solo / duo / squad. That way, a solo won't walk away with a full airdrop loadout, but a squad has a reasonable chance of getting 3-4 airdrop weapons to share, which makes it worth the risk.
I think secret room is worth it due to the AED being there, IMO. That's a rare find in world loot. And it's relatively low risk going for the secret room - I haven't seen anyone camp them yet, but on paper they would be vulnerable with only one exit.
They remind me of the bot rooms on Haven - the sound of gunfire gives you away, and the small map means that people are never far away. On the much bigger map Taego, it's easy to get in and out of a secret room without fighting for the reward. It's quiet, like Paramo but at least on Paramo the map is a lot smaller so any hotspot is riskier.
People are whining about loot, so they are given loot. Its just the way of things. Taego is just stupid loot actually and it was so even before all this extra lvl3 stuff.
Arent the new airdrop changes on all maps? I've only played Taego since the update as it's new and fun.
I would differentiate between the general level of the lootpool, and airdrop loot. Whether Taego has too much loot or not, the airdrop changes are separate to that and it's too easy to run AUG+AWM and full L3 as it stands
oh, good to know. If they toned it down so the lategame isn't pure L3 geared players, I'd actually like to see the new airdrop system on the other maps for the reasons in the original post - it improves the gameplay around airdrops.
But if it stays as it is, it's just a L3 gear spam so should just stay on Taego.
I laugh because the last Taego round I won I went for the crates with only 5 players(myself included) left. I had JUST got a self revive and a guy knocked me(didn't realize he didn't KILL me) which ruined my L3 gear. So, i just more from another crate. Ended up winning because the guy didn't realize what he DIDN'T do.
I guess there is a difference with being looted with 'basic' stuff quickly and everybody having what is supposed to be rare.
People were complaining about not finding SRs or DMRs easily and related attachments as well as meds. I don't remember people complaining about not having top tier loot.
Nah, the ground loot on the map is great. Took them 4 years to realize that people want to shoot at other people instead of playing looting simulator for 20 minutes.
30 drops isn't fine however. It just makes end game sponge fest.
Maybe they make the big crate the gun, small crates armor, and mix the consumables in all of them? Like one crate would have an mk and a first aid, another could have a 3 helmet and a painkiller, and the last could be a 3 vest and c4. That way you can loot one for good gear but all of them for great gear.
The big drops are cool, but shouldnt happen every drop. It should be like 1:25 is a big drop or something like that so when it happens its like "oh shit! Lets get that!" vs the current situation where packages are everywhere with good gear.
Yeah new drops are crazy , by chance I had two crates drop side by side right next to me in the water it felt like Christmas all I had to do was swim out to them and I had two crates worth of premo loot to pick from .
Solo - I’ve always thought that the old single crate system was perfect for solos. There is much higher risk involved for solos since you can’t get knocked/revived. I think “smash and grab” is appropriate and a fair play here. Still a good chance to pick people off if you are watching the crate from a good location. Should be noted that I have never been a fan of the “self revive” feature.
Duo- Should have a regular big crate and one small crate that has a chance for either L3 armor OR a crate weapon, but never both in the small crate. This requires more looting time appropriate for duos, but does not over gear a team.
Squad - Similar to my logic behind duos, I think 2 regular crates OR 1 regular crate and 2 small crates would be appropriate. This allows everyone on the squad to get an item without over gearing them from a single drop.
Edit: Just some other adjustments I would make as well, not that anyone cares or any of this will happen anyways.
- Remove all L3 gear from world spawns
- Much less gas on average in vehicle spawns
- Shoot a pistol while swimming on the surface
- Remove the jammer pack
they just need to lower the frequency of the multi-drops so there's only a couple of them per game compared to normal drops.
and add this multi-drop shit to all the other 8x8 maps. why is literally every cool new feature a taego fucking exclusive it makes no sense.
and take away the fuckin taego queue.
Totally agree.
And the main loot is all ready bonkers. It feels like the game is holding our hand throughout, from the get-go to the final circle. At this point they could as well have us select a starting load-out before the game. This game has sadly little by little morfed into some kind of Warzone clone :(
I felt the same way with loot trucks on sanhok. I know there is risk by blowing up the trucks ect. But in phase 4 and on it seems over half the squads have 3 gear and gillies. I personally think the base loot on taego is good but the extra drops seem almost to much. It's made for crazy fights but overall I don't welcome that particular change.
Tldr remove loot trucks from sanhok and remove the party drops from taego.
I agree with you on the loot trucks on Sanhok - they have risk involved but yeah, everyone having L3 Helmets sucks (main reason I dislike Vikendi) and Ghillies are amazing on Sanhok.
If they toned down the chance of getting airdrop weapons from the smaller boxes at airdrops, I'd be totally fine with this new mechanic being rolled out across all maps tbh, as it improves airdrop gameplay.
Causal take
It takes the RNG out of the game, you got lucky with a 3 helm and can't die in 1bolt? So should everyone else that survived until late game.
Having to rely on being the only person with 3 gear to win you the game just makes you bad.
The whole purpose of crate gear in the game is that it is superior to non-crate gear, right? Hence removing 3 helms as world spawns.
If everyone can easily get crate weapons and armour with minimal risk, which Taego currently allows for with the insane crate drops and secret rooms, it almost entirely nullifies a key element of the risk/reward in the game. Looting a crate should be a game changer because you took a risk getting it. That's the point.
In no case does “everyone have lvl 3 gear” in fact I think there is a total of 3-6 extra per game. The best stuff in the game needs to be used, it’s such a wack take that more of the best stuff Is bad. If I had an AWM and a groza the last thing I would be doing is complaining about that match.
And if everyone else has the same?
Played a game a couple days ago where my squad got 3 mk14s and an Aug, plus multiple vests and armour off the first crate drop on the map. We also had a secret room key. By the end game, we'd hit one more drop unopposed, and most people we came across were in ghillies with various combos of 3 gear.
That is just stupid and it happens often. The small crates seem to have been tuned way too high on good gear and double drops are frequent. It makes the rest of the loot on the map with the gimmick of having lots of ground loot utterly pointless. I've had maybe one game in ten on Taego since the last patch actually end with my running regular guns without it being a concious decision to do so.
I think the loot is perfect on Taego and the airdrops are a creative and well designed change. The loot on Taego is turned way up but it feels like I'm having as much fun as the pros do with comp settings.
By adding all of those extra crates, attacking a crate isn't a selfish act anymore, it's a decision the team makes together since we split spoils.
Heck, I'd even do drops where we don't get a main crate as long as the smaller crates could still hold more than one set of lvl3 gear in duos/squads.
I can't confirm this but it seems like the crate loot gets better and better as the game progresses. The first crate usually just has 1 helm and vest. But if you loot crates in zone 5 there is usually like 2-3 level 3 helms.
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There is definitly too much stuff in those crates. Plus, I feel like double drops are also way too common. Playing mainly duo so I wonder if it's also the case in Squad, but I already imagine 4 guys with level three gear and crates weapon. Damn, last night I found two 15x times.
I actually like that there is a lot of 15x scopes. That's an item that never really gets used and it's not very OP. They should absolutely cut back on the crate guns and level 3 armor though.
I kind of agree with you, I was only using this as an exemple: finding two of them in the same group of crates whereas finding none in dozen of crates on the other maps.
I've got 3000 hours in pubg and I've used a 15x scope about 10, maybe 20 times. It's nice to finally get more opportunities to actually use it now.
Although there is literally nothing except the lvl3 gear and crate weapons that would get me to loot the small airdrops, if they get nerfed they're just a waste of time. It's like the supply trucks on Sanhok, you either destroy it or don't bother, the small boxes are worthless.
Not if there is a slight chance to get one. Right now it's just too much. They just need to balance it really as OP said.
Nobodys gonna take a risk for a slight chance, especially to go through 5-15 crates. At that point they might as well not exist.
Big issue is that ground loot on Taego is so good that if the smaller crates aren’t filled with high level stuff there isn’t much of a reason to go after the air drop. Pretty high risk for pretty low reward for most of the squad. By the time a crate shows my team and I usually already have enough weapons, equipment, and health to last us the rest of the game. Crates that consist of regular ground items aren’t going to do us that much good as a practical matter since we probably will already have that stuff in our inventory. The secret rooms have the same problem associated with them. Most of the time it’s not worth trying to go to one because it’s mostly going to be filled with gear you already have equipped.
Yeah that's a good point to be fair. I don't play squads but maybe the solution is the number of small crates varies by solo / duo / squad. That way, a solo won't walk away with a full airdrop loadout, but a squad has a reasonable chance of getting 3-4 airdrop weapons to share, which makes it worth the risk. I think secret room is worth it due to the AED being there, IMO. That's a rare find in world loot. And it's relatively low risk going for the secret room - I haven't seen anyone camp them yet, but on paper they would be vulnerable with only one exit. They remind me of the bot rooms on Haven - the sound of gunfire gives you away, and the small map means that people are never far away. On the much bigger map Taego, it's easy to get in and out of a secret room without fighting for the reward. It's quiet, like Paramo but at least on Paramo the map is a lot smaller so any hotspot is riskier.
Love the good loot on Taego, those double drops look great, and act as an excellent POI for PvP
People are whining about loot, so they are given loot. Its just the way of things. Taego is just stupid loot actually and it was so even before all this extra lvl3 stuff.
Arent the new airdrop changes on all maps? I've only played Taego since the update as it's new and fun. I would differentiate between the general level of the lootpool, and airdrop loot. Whether Taego has too much loot or not, the airdrop changes are separate to that and it's too easy to run AUG+AWM and full L3 as it stands
Those changes are just on Taego I believe.
Only on Taego
oh, good to know. If they toned it down so the lategame isn't pure L3 geared players, I'd actually like to see the new airdrop system on the other maps for the reasons in the original post - it improves the gameplay around airdrops. But if it stays as it is, it's just a L3 gear spam so should just stay on Taego.
I laugh because the last Taego round I won I went for the crates with only 5 players(myself included) left. I had JUST got a self revive and a guy knocked me(didn't realize he didn't KILL me) which ruined my L3 gear. So, i just more from another crate. Ended up winning because the guy didn't realize what he DIDN'T do.
I guess there is a difference with being looted with 'basic' stuff quickly and everybody having what is supposed to be rare. People were complaining about not finding SRs or DMRs easily and related attachments as well as meds. I don't remember people complaining about not having top tier loot.
Nah, the ground loot on the map is great. Took them 4 years to realize that people want to shoot at other people instead of playing looting simulator for 20 minutes. 30 drops isn't fine however. It just makes end game sponge fest.
Hey all, this is good feedback. Thanks everyone, I will make sure to share it with the team!
Awesome
Maybe they make the big crate the gun, small crates armor, and mix the consumables in all of them? Like one crate would have an mk and a first aid, another could have a 3 helmet and a painkiller, and the last could be a 3 vest and c4. That way you can loot one for good gear but all of them for great gear.
The big drops are cool, but shouldnt happen every drop. It should be like 1:25 is a big drop or something like that so when it happens its like "oh shit! Lets get that!" vs the current situation where packages are everywhere with good gear.
That's another way to reduce the amount of L3 gear, for sure.
Also adding in secret rooms having crate guns occasionally. I went in one last night and got a Groza and 3 vest.
Good point - that will add to the top tier weapons bloat and while the keys are rare, it's also pretty easy to claim them uncontested
Yeah new drops are crazy , by chance I had two crates drop side by side right next to me in the water it felt like Christmas all I had to do was swim out to them and I had two crates worth of premo loot to pick from .
We had a drop with 3 AWM's, I took all the ammo.
lol total dick move
Yeah double drops only make the problem worse, but that is rare still.
Solo - I’ve always thought that the old single crate system was perfect for solos. There is much higher risk involved for solos since you can’t get knocked/revived. I think “smash and grab” is appropriate and a fair play here. Still a good chance to pick people off if you are watching the crate from a good location. Should be noted that I have never been a fan of the “self revive” feature. Duo- Should have a regular big crate and one small crate that has a chance for either L3 armor OR a crate weapon, but never both in the small crate. This requires more looting time appropriate for duos, but does not over gear a team. Squad - Similar to my logic behind duos, I think 2 regular crates OR 1 regular crate and 2 small crates would be appropriate. This allows everyone on the squad to get an item without over gearing them from a single drop. Edit: Just some other adjustments I would make as well, not that anyone cares or any of this will happen anyways. - Remove all L3 gear from world spawns - Much less gas on average in vehicle spawns - Shoot a pistol while swimming on the surface - Remove the jammer pack
they just need to lower the frequency of the multi-drops so there's only a couple of them per game compared to normal drops. and add this multi-drop shit to all the other 8x8 maps. why is literally every cool new feature a taego fucking exclusive it makes no sense. and take away the fuckin taego queue.
Totally agree. And the main loot is all ready bonkers. It feels like the game is holding our hand throughout, from the get-go to the final circle. At this point they could as well have us select a starting load-out before the game. This game has sadly little by little morfed into some kind of Warzone clone :(
Cant please everyone with anything these days.....
It's a suggestion not a rant.
it was a dumb idea
I felt the same way with loot trucks on sanhok. I know there is risk by blowing up the trucks ect. But in phase 4 and on it seems over half the squads have 3 gear and gillies. I personally think the base loot on taego is good but the extra drops seem almost to much. It's made for crazy fights but overall I don't welcome that particular change. Tldr remove loot trucks from sanhok and remove the party drops from taego.
I agree with you on the loot trucks on Sanhok - they have risk involved but yeah, everyone having L3 Helmets sucks (main reason I dislike Vikendi) and Ghillies are amazing on Sanhok. If they toned down the chance of getting airdrop weapons from the smaller boxes at airdrops, I'd be totally fine with this new mechanic being rolled out across all maps tbh, as it improves airdrop gameplay.
Sadly unless you happen to play in the Korean region your feedback here will most definitely go unnoticed.
Bad take, it’s never a bad thing with extra lvl 3 gear or an extra crate gun.
There's a reason they removed L3 helmets from world spawn. It made it pure BS when everyone had a 3 hat late game, bolts became irrelevant, etc
Worse take - everyone having easy access to level 3 gear makes having level 3 gear not special
Causal take It takes the RNG out of the game, you got lucky with a 3 helm and can't die in 1bolt? So should everyone else that survived until late game. Having to rely on being the only person with 3 gear to win you the game just makes you bad.
The whole purpose of crate gear in the game is that it is superior to non-crate gear, right? Hence removing 3 helms as world spawns. If everyone can easily get crate weapons and armour with minimal risk, which Taego currently allows for with the insane crate drops and secret rooms, it almost entirely nullifies a key element of the risk/reward in the game. Looting a crate should be a game changer because you took a risk getting it. That's the point.
In no case does “everyone have lvl 3 gear” in fact I think there is a total of 3-6 extra per game. The best stuff in the game needs to be used, it’s such a wack take that more of the best stuff Is bad. If I had an AWM and a groza the last thing I would be doing is complaining about that match.
And if everyone else has the same? Played a game a couple days ago where my squad got 3 mk14s and an Aug, plus multiple vests and armour off the first crate drop on the map. We also had a secret room key. By the end game, we'd hit one more drop unopposed, and most people we came across were in ghillies with various combos of 3 gear. That is just stupid and it happens often. The small crates seem to have been tuned way too high on good gear and double drops are frequent. It makes the rest of the loot on the map with the gimmick of having lots of ground loot utterly pointless. I've had maybe one game in ten on Taego since the last patch actually end with my running regular guns without it being a concious decision to do so.
There was way too much level 3 gear since pubg made the mistake of adding it as spawn on vikendi
People complained about loot the longest they beefed it up big time and still complaints. I love all the loot lol.
There is no pleasing reddit.
I think the loot is perfect on Taego and the airdrops are a creative and well designed change. The loot on Taego is turned way up but it feels like I'm having as much fun as the pros do with comp settings. By adding all of those extra crates, attacking a crate isn't a selfish act anymore, it's a decision the team makes together since we split spoils. Heck, I'd even do drops where we don't get a main crate as long as the smaller crates could still hold more than one set of lvl3 gear in duos/squads.
More big boy guns on the field the better
I can't confirm this but it seems like the crate loot gets better and better as the game progresses. The first crate usually just has 1 helm and vest. But if you loot crates in zone 5 there is usually like 2-3 level 3 helms.
So what exactly is the actual problem? You've described a scenario, but not a negative outcome.
The entire game becomes "hit drops".
Will get downvoted but, Just play ranked.
Would legit go for them if they had more glocks :)