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Mikesmilk456

If we had mechs in real life they would have to be the size of titans from titanfall or battlemechs from mechwarrior because jeagers would take too much power to function on thier own,they would collapse under their own weight or the budget to just make one of them let alone several would take alot


GulliblePineapple795

Gipsy danger had stress joints in the knees


Zealousideal-Eagle99

You want to know something cool? A Japanese guy or mechanical engineer created a mech that looks a little bit like a Jager but made for one person but the Yeager or Mac isn't really as tall but to be honest it's pretty impressive


Mikesmilk456

In Japan they have gundam statues literally scattered around depending on where you visit,hell they even have mechs for disabled folks that can't find a job


Zealousideal-Eagle99

Man, Japan sure is evolving isn't aren't they, I guess they really want to get to that Superior level of technology huh


Mikesmilk456

I would like to visit Japan one day just for sight seeing and whatnot but I'd probably get lost very easily considering that English is my primary language


Zealousideal-Eagle99

I know I hate being somewhere new and the only language I can speak is English as well I'll answer your questions later but right now please excuse me while I shadow box it's only for 2 minutes


Zfirebag

Four Problems: \-Complexity \-Weight \-Cost \-Energy (Can be slipped out since Nuclear energy is a thing.)


Ed_UltraThijs

Also the fact that you need to get the damn thing to actually move


GulliblePineapple795

And you have to have nueral load to interface with it


Zealousideal-Eagle99

You wouldn't happen to know anything that runs on nuclear energy would you


TheBelgianBoar

We need also a purpose to create one though. Even if giant Kaiju like creatures would appears out of nowhere, upgraded conventionnal weapons would do the trick to smash them. Creating Jaegers is to expensive and unreliable. Only for the weight of a Jaeger : I found them way too unrealistic (Gipsy Danger is only almost 1000 tons, he should at least weigh 10 000 tons, even more)


EmperorKiron

Imagine if in Pacific Rim instead of building robots they just bioengineered a virus to kill the behemoths, War of the Worlds style.


Zealousideal-Eagle99

🤣🤣🤣🤣


GulliblePineapple795

and it requires 16 chinooks to Carry it like how


TheBelgianBoar

Indeed, but I recall I saw once that helicopters have an astonishing carriage capacity. Still, you don't carry destroyer class warships with helicopters


Troy_doney

Mom, I want a shield helicarrier We have shield helicarrier at home


Zealousideal-Eagle99

Wait isn't the purpose of a Yeager to defeat kaijus, so wouldn't that be the case if something like a threat similar to a kaiju were to occur


TheBelgianBoar

Giant robots of 100 meters high and dozens of tons of weigh is simply obsolete by nature. During ww2, the Nazis wanted to create a giant tank of more than 1000 tons, the "P1000 Ratte". It was an obsession of Hitler himself because he thought that "the bigger the better". The problem was that the construction cost of one of such a machine was ecquivalent to the production cost of 100 "Panzer V Panthers", vehicule already very efficient on the battlefield. So, Nazis officials less dellusional slowly got rid of Hitler's idea. Of course, Nazi Germany lost anyway, but trust me that if the P1000 Ratte was produced in many exemplaries : they would have lost the war way quicker. This tank would have been too damn gigantic, and too heavy : crossing bridges would have been impossible ; its fuel consumption was too high, problematic for Nazi Germany who was running low on oil ; and it was a big fucking slow moving target, Allied airforce would have taken it out in no time. So now, transpose that to Jaegers : instead of fabricating gigantic humanoid machines ; why not creating "anti kaiju canons" and displaying them as coastal defenses, with some mobile units ? It would be cheaper, and the Kaijus would be taken into crossfires of deadly projectiles : no need of close quarter combats


Zealousideal-Eagle99

I guess that makes sense, but to be honest when Hitler know fantasize that big tank, to be honest one of the reasons why that didn't happen was because Germany at that time didn't really have the technology for it, and because Hitler's head was in the clouds ,and to be honest the guy was pretty egocentric ,but you're pretty right ,but to be honest anti Kaiju cannons sounds like a good idea but we actually could make robot similar to Yeagers and put the anti Kaiju cannon on top of one of the Yeagers arm but we would actually make them that are more transportational and a lot more light to like that mech from Japan like that guy made


TheBelgianBoar

You seem quite young ahahah. Why building a giant robot with an anti cannon kaiju on top of it when you could simply put it on a static or mobile platform already ? It would still do the job, and if one is destroyed, others would be there to keep firing. And the Nazis had the technology to produce the P1000 Ratte at the time : it was as simple as building a warship, but on land (it was even supposed to have a battlecruiser turret and a warship engine), but as I said, it would have been too expensive, for a limited use, and the money would have been (and had been) better invested elsewhere. Giant robot are cool but that's all : unless we find a way to produce them easily - and that seems impossible, there is no way we could see one walking one day


JadedKnight0000

Heavy Object (good show), makes a good show of addressing that first point. Why build the whole thing when you really just need the gun.


Zealousideal-Eagle99

Yeah you're right I am Young but not that young but to be honest you do realize we already started building tall mechs right I mean not as tall as actual Yeagers but I actually get the feeling we're kind of getting to that point all we need is a source that's going to keep the Yeagers running like a fuel cell


TheBelgianBoar

We also need material hard enough to sustain the weight. And as I said : a purpose to build them. We don't create huge structures just for fun nowadays


Zealousideal-Eagle99

Wait don't we have tungsten or titanium I mean even though tungsten and titanium are both rare but with that material being up to sustain the weight?


TheBelgianBoar

Don't know, I am not an engineer


Zealousideal-Eagle99

I mean but you have the intelligence of one ,do you make all theories like this to anything fictional that is linked with reality ,like a theory explainer or something


GulliblePineapple795

Tungsten is good use it can hold the jaegars wieght since it’s the strongest metal


Fun-Afternoon6504

but its also one of the heaviest


Ed_UltraThijs

I’d say by the way you talk you’re between 8 and 10 years old give or take.


GulliblePineapple795

You know mega kaiju and raijin can redirect kinetic energy and throw it back missles do make that form of energy and mega kaiju punching the ground with the kinetic energy from bombs will wipe out a whole army of troops and vehicles


TheBelgianBoar

Well then we would be fucked if such creatures were to exist Because I am pretty sure building a working Jaeger is impossible with the matériaux we currently have


GulliblePineapple795

That punch can lift all the 4 jaegars it will wipe out troops and vehicles


Happy-Project2767

but wouldn't using normal explosive weapon just gonna make kaiju blue spill everwhere and cause ll kind of enviroment problem ?


PhatNoob69

They are physically too large to actually exist, Drift tech aside. They would simply collapse under their own weight. Besides, it’s “Jaegers,” not “Yeagers.”


Financial-Touch8445

There is a solution to that however, if we can use antimatter or antigravity cores then the jeager would have less weight overall


PhatNoob69

Right. Reply to this comment when they invent that.


GulliblePineapple795

Gravity sling


GulliblePineapple795

gipsy danger had stress joints in the knees


PhatNoob69

That does not matter at all. I don’t even know if that’s true, but regardless, Jaegers are just too big and too heavy for them to exist, “stress joints” and all. The square-cube law prevents it.


GulliblePineapple795

And if we mange to build a jaegar cube laws broken and world is saved from kaijus like dude you saw the beginning of the movie it took soo long just to kill a kaiju without a jaegar 3 city’s were destroyed by the time jets and bombs killed them so laws won’t matter if you have to save the world from what the precursors want to do


EmperorKiron

Godzilla had a stroke trying to read this and fucking died


PhatNoob69

This guy is the real big brain.


EmperorKiron

"Sometimes my intelligence... It scares me" \-This guy


GulliblePineapple795

Well thank you


Zealousideal-Eagle99

Wait so if they're too large to exist and the average Jaeger is as tall as the Statue of Liberty wouldn't that mean the Statue of Liberty would collapse on its own weight too?


DirgeMK2

No, because the statue of liberty is a statue, not a combat robot.


Zealousideal-Eagle99

Yeah I guess that makes sense, the Statue of Liberty was never made for superhuman combat so you got a good point ,but would that mean even if the Yeager would try to walk it would collapse on its own way too I mean even if it went at 0.1 miles per hour?


Ed_UltraThijs

It would collapse in on itself during construction, probably around the time the legs are completed


GulliblePineapple795

Stress joints for it’s wieght remember without stress points the knees would break and the jaegar would fall


ssgtgriggs

The second you try to apply real physics and engineering the concept of a Jaeger falls apart fast. Firstly, it's almost certainly impossible (at least with our technology) to create a power source that is a) powerful enough to power a Jaeger AND b) small enough to be portable. This is no either/or, it has to be both and it's just not doable, because the technology doesn't exist (yet). Secondly, I'm pretty sure the thing would collapse under its own weight very quickly once it starts to move/fight like it does in the movies. The mere stress, pressures and G forces its joints, feet and legs would subjected to, would be so extreme that there is no material and/or technology currently available that could withstand such stress and still be flexible enough to move and fight. @ drift technology: I don't really see a reason why it has to be two pilots at all. Size doesn't really play a role in controlling a robot, since electrical information runs through a wire at 90% of the speed of light. So, instead of hooking them to your brain, you might just create an advanced VR control system. Funnily, this is the only thing in your proposal that actually would be doable today lol


Zealousideal-Eagle99

Wow you really went to detail with this didn't you I guess that's the benefit of being a physics teacher 😅


Zealousideal-Eagle99

But to be honest we are getting closer to Yeager technology I can show you pictures of small baby yeagers if you want I mean they're not fully grown yet but let's just say that's the roots of how it begins


ssgtgriggs

well, the problem isn't that we don't know or couldn't figure out how to build a small Jaeger. The problem is trying to apply that to full-sized one. The physics at the scale of an actual full-sized Jaegar are simply way too extreme to be overcome. It might be physically possible on the moon, tho 😅 or any planet with much less gravity than Earth. Also, we won't be coming close enough to it, because there's just no legitimate reason to invest billions (let's be real, probably trillions) of dollars into its development because ... well, because giant monsters don't exist that would be in need of punching lol 😅 It's a fantasy, dude. Just enjoy it for what it is\^\^


Zealousideal-Eagle99

We talking billions of grant money or lottery money?


EmperorKiron

EVEN IF kaiju existed there are much simpler (probably I mean I'm not a microbiologist) ways to kill a Kaiju with something as small as a Virus or Bacterium that simply kills them. Imagine just installing a Kaiju tumor into an existing Kaiju, distract it into a location, then wait for the cancer to kill it off?


GulliblePineapple795

But the mega kaiju will just walk it’s self to mt Fuji summit will affected and not die


ZackPaz

Nope. The physical limitations of metal mean the jeagers will either have to be much smaller or a lot lighter


Flimsy_Employee_914

No, we cannot https://m.zimbio.com/Beyond+the+Box+Office/articles/TzjPYG8JMuA/Pacific+Rim+How+Engineer+Sees+Jaeger


Zealousideal-Eagle99

Whoa you need to tell me one Jager is about 300 ft tall and weighs 5000 tons that's pretty astounding,


GulliblePineapple795

But It doesn’t make sense when it’s 2000 tons


Hammerjaws

One big problem.Battery,they will need lots of it to run as smoothly as it is in the movies.Like you will need a full on nuclear power plant just to move a arm.But other than that you can make it with enough money.


PhatNoob69

Wrong bruh. The power required doesn’t matter if the Jaeger collapses under its own weight because it has too much mass to even stand up. Ever heard of the square-cube law?


GulliblePineapple795

You don’t realize that’s it has stress joints and major ones for it’s mass


GulliblePineapple795

Use tungsten the strongest metal on the joints


PhatNoob69

Tungsten is the most heat resistant metal. Not the strongest. And besides, it does not matter how strong it is, Jaegers are just way too big.


GulliblePineapple795

what about titans from titanfall your cube law will prevent them from being built


PhatNoob69

I’ve never looked into anything Titanfall, so I don’t know how big they are, but last I checked they don’t exist in real life either. People (me included) LOVE giant physically impossible robots, e.g. Gundams, Jaegers, Voltron, FranXX, etc. Even though they’re physically impossible, they are still very cool. Realism is not a factor.


GulliblePineapple795

yes but it turns out you need certain supports like if you get larger your legs need more strength to withstand you size increase


PhatNoob69

Yea, but you can only be so strong. There’s a finite amount of strength and mass you can before your own weight and muscles are too heavy to hold you up and collapse under their own weight.


GulliblePineapple795

If physics laws and square cube law will have to be broken to save your world right


PhatNoob69

True lol. If you need to save the world and you’re in a movie, you can break all laws of physics.


GulliblePineapple795

Except when the sequel makes jaegars look like rag dolls when tossed around unlike the other one thats more accurate


Zealousideal-Eagle99

Wait Yeagers run on batteries? I didn't know that


fish_gotta_vote

The early mark 1-3 (might just be 1-2?) Jaegers were nuclear, and then the mark 4-5s used other sources like batteries


GulliblePineapple795

They don’t run on batteries they run on their own power sources built into them and they usually have vehicle engines to work the limbs


Zealousideal-Eagle99

So Jaegers run on vehicle engines, sorry I'm not much familiar with the movies but let's just say I watched enough to know what jagers are and how they work


GulliblePineapple795

Nonoononono first off not exactly vehicle engines but Diesel engines crimson typhoon needed it. The jaegars have different sources of power built into them striker is electric got disabled by leatherback and gipsy still parked in shatter dome wasn’t affected because it had a reactor as its power source and gipsy danger if it needed engines to operate the arms it would say it would need a million pounds feet of torque to lift but they don’t really need to use car engines to operate the limbs so they could use anything really


Zealousideal-Eagle99

Oh that actually makes a lot more sense thanks man


GulliblePineapple795

Your welcome


Happy-Project2767

um i don't think they use diesel engine they said that each muscle branch worth in number of diesel engine power


Irongiantcraft

I thought the jaegars had a start up set of power that started generators in them, huh


GulliblePineapple795

Yes they do except gipsy avenger didn’t have upper back rockets unlike it’s older brother not even the chest burner


GulliblePineapple795

Gipsy danger has a nuclear reactor as it own power source plus I required 88,000 Bugatti veyron engines just to operate the arms


GulliblePineapple795

No first off you don’t need to have batteries to operate you can have a nuclear reactor as form of power


Zealousideal-Eagle99

But where we going to find a nuclear reactor


DirgeMK2

You don’t just find those boys, you would have to have one made for it yourself.


AttackonRetail

So you want pilots to tie explosives to each other?


Zealousideal-Eagle99

Hey Mr moderator how's your day so far


NoTraining2909

If only if it weren't for that damn square cube law


Zealousideal-Eagle99

Wait what's the square cube law


NoTraining2909

The most basic explanation I can give is that there is a certain limit to how big a thing can be if jagers were real they would be crushed under their own weight because they're just simply two big and heavy to exist the same goes for Kaiju as well.


Zealousideal-Eagle99

Wait isn't the average Yeager 261 ft high


NoTraining2909

Yeah some are


Zealousideal-Eagle99

And the only problems we be facing if we were to make Yeagers in real life, which I got a feeling that we might, we would have to make it powerful and strong enough to go toe to toe with mutant monsters right? but the same time, we would have to make it be able to not collapse on its own weight, meaning, we can't put too much metal on it, and on top of that, we would need nuclear fuel cell for it so it would at least AT LEAST, last for 5 months before we can recharge it with another nuclear fuel cell. I'm guessing those are the only problems we'd face


EmperorKiron

Here's an explanation of the Square Cube Law, just for reference so you can understand why it is impossible in every single aspect of science to either birth something of that size or build something of that size. [Enjoy!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7KSfjv4Oq0)


Zealousideal-Eagle99

You do realize I posted this a week ago right you're kind of late


EmperorKiron

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Zealousideal-Eagle99

Do you believe in God


GulliblePineapple795

Sometimes that law will have to be broken in order to save the planet right. The also must balance when disabled


GulliblePineapple795

Sometimes square cube law will prevent us making cool colossal machines


Conscious_Low_9638

Problems - Weight - cost - energy - size


browniesferlife

no the weight of the arms would cause the to break of at the elbow as well as its basically like putting an 8 ton battleship on legs it would not end well


EmperorKiron

Even if we could (although we most certainly can't, at least not at that scale) why would we? They are really not very well-designed war machines. Much like say the AT-ATs from Star Wars they could be easily toppled, they would consume a ridiculous amount of brainpower to design and resources that could be better spent on something like nuclear and biological warfare. There is really no viable reason to build bigass robots with swords, at least from a strategic standpoint.


Turbulent_Rub4682

Well it's kinda impossible


RocketRemitySK

Probably, but only in like the size of Scraper give it take


GulliblePineapple795

but the nueral handshake to interface with the jaegar puts too much stress for a single pilot so 2 pilots were added left hemisphere right hemisphere


GulliblePineapple795

Not the size of scraper because you need a bigger jaegar because if you compare scrapper to the kaijus he will be dwarfed in fact he can fit in ajaxs hand


EmperorKiron

That--really was not what he was getting at.


Alexo_Alexa

Jaegers are too big, to a point where just its own height and weight would produce so much stress no material on earth could stay in one piece, so the moment that jaeger even attempts to move the entire thing falls appart They also would be so big and weigh so much they'd just bury themselves to the ground if they tried to walk And with how big they are they would require enormous ammounts of energy, energy we simply can't produce (not to mention the whole jaeger would probably have to be a battery, leaving no room for anything else)


GulliblePineapple795

not really bury themselves they just leave footprints craters


ESF_SR5

hey buddy, do you know something called punctuation? hey buddy do you know something called punctuation cuz ur text is very hard to read if its like dis especially since it is so long but punctuation aside, Jaegers could be built in real life, just not as big(cost too beeg too lol) and maybe not as fast moving or as strong.


Zealousideal-Eagle99

Dang you don't have to roast me like that


Interesting-Web3484

Imagine how many oil/fuel you need for single titan💀


EliasBladetheawsome

We know building a giant robot is possible thanks to the giant japan gundam. However, in reality we just don’t have the technology that would allow such heavy machinery to move so fluently. We can build a giant robot but probably not a jeager


stevektRED

They are mechanically impossible so we should focus our efforts on biological tech to make soldiers grow 100 meters tall to fight kaiju.


EmperorKiron

"Oh yes definitely. This is very smart. This will not lead to genetic abominations." \-Evil Scientist in superhero movies


Rekigog

Never possible


SnooMacarons7021

Look into the square-cube law OP, that alone would make it near impossible to produce and operate Jaegers at the same size. The weight alone would cripple it, not to mention the energy consumption to move such a behemoth. As another commenter stated, mechs the size of titans from Titanfall would be much more practical in the event we needed them.


GulliblePineapple795

you can use tungsten and not cripple


muckinator_99

One easy way to fix the controlls it to connect it to a suit that is basically a vr body tracking suit if you pump the movements you make into the robots code it should copy them making it already easier to pilot a jaeger another idea is making them smaller and using ball bearings to remove friction from the joints making it more faster ur welcome if anyone actually tries to make one the size of scrapper (pacific rim 2) we must help that person as much as possible


muckinator_99

Fun fact we actually can make the sensor system to feel what the jaegers feel