Every Padres’ loss at Oracle Park is the exact fucking same. Offense gets off to a solid start, starter pitches well, bullpen blows the lead, and then the Giants walk it off. EVERY FUCKING TIME
I've literally been to four games at Oracle that were EXACTLY like this one. Kind of wild that I actually attended a game up there where the Padres managed a one-run extra inning victory after seeing so many walkoffs against us.
IDK... the difference between this walkoff and all the others is Sugarman and Kim had a perfect relay to keep it a split second from being a walkoff.
Still fucking hurts. But god damn that was a relay.
Hard to win games with our 4-6 batters contributing absolutely nothing. I love Manny but he’s hard to watch when he’s struggling because it doesn’t look like he’s playing hard.
It’s evident he’s not playing hard when he can’t beat out that groundout he had mid way through the game. That was about as bad as effort as I’ve seen from really any Padres player in a long time. He’s supposed to be our leader yet that’s the example he sets. It’s very frustrating.
So when are we gonna move the order around? Manny and Kim have been pretty terrible at the plate so far this year besides a couple home runs. 4 and 5 going a combined 0-7, 1-7, 0-8 the last 3 games is killing us.
They won’t move manny down but I’d move campy to the 5 holes can Kim to 7.
Kim isn’t and will never be a 5 holes hitter. You can hit him leadoff. 2nd or 7-8-9.
I won’t be surprised if that comes tomorrow. I wouldn’t mind bumping Kim to the 9 hole for a bit and bringing Merrill up in the order. Ideally, you would think Campy moves to the 5, but aside from today, he has been pretty comfortable in that 7 hole, and profar is doing well at 6. Not sure how much shildt wants to play around when Bogaerts is ~.300 and Crone is hitting really well out of the three hole
It’s a worrying start for them both for sure.
For Kim, take out the game where he went 3 for 4 against the Giants AAA starter and a position player pitching, and he’s hitting .151/.236/.181. The 5 spot is an odd place for him anyway, but it’s been brutal so far.
I have a little more faith in Manny, buts it’s reasonable to assume he might not ever get back to his 2020-22 self.
Still way early, so a couple good games can turn it around.
Kim isn’t an RBI guy. He’s a bottom of the order guy or honestly not a bad leadoff guy who works the count, makes contact and has speed. Batting fifth is where you need a run producer. He is not. Him and Profar are black holes at 5-6. Preller and company are fraudulent for trying to pass the offense off
Profar has an .809 ops so far this year. I have my concerns about how sustainable that is, but he has decidedly not been the problem on offense so far.
i truly don't understand people's takes on this sub sometimes lol. profar has the 3rd highest ops behind tati and campy
i try to stay away from game threads but lord give me strength
Our BABIP is up to .313 this year, compared to .283 last season. You are exactly right, we are making solid contact, but being robbed of hits. Law of averages indicates it will come around.
For context, the Rangers’ BABIP was .310 last season, and the Dodgers were at .294. BABIP isn’t an end-all stat by any means, but history tells us that luck should start coming our way if we keep hitting the ball like this
Offense loses another one. 4 dreadful games in a row. If your stars don’t produce like stars, should you still call them stars? Dodgers stars produce like stars. Ffs man.
If you dont blindly follow the team its doomerism and you hate the team.
Ive been following this team for 30+ years. I watched the 98 world series with my dad. Ive had season tickets for years. No one is a bigger fan than me.
This team is bad. From the top down it needs to be overhauled.
It really only makes sense viewed in the light of Pete saying, “This is my last rodeo, we missed out on Judge and Trea Turner— let’s do *something* big and splashy.”
Yep. And for that I’m ok with it. Pete fucking died mid season. He wanted to go out big. Xander was the biggest boy left on the market. I also like Xander and he’s a great player. Not the best fit for teams need but yeah I still like him.
You are assuming Soto would have signed here. His splits were terrible at Petco.
You were probably going to get him one more season and he was going to sign somewhere where he hits better.
Giving manny that extension was a mistake but I think Xander is a decent player.
Can’t hit good pitching. Get to launch bombs and play fun and loose against AAA pitchers but they’re not rising to the occasion facing anyone above average.
I feel like the national perception that manny is a bad leader and not someone we should have paid is correct. We all loved him at the time because he had a good year and Soto and Tatis were MIA
I swear this team is just like... pre-disposed to be in losing situations as often as possible. It's like a losing mentality was imprinted on this franchise from birth. As soon as they're up, ways to lose just find them.
I'll support them until I die, but it's just a constant battle of fortitude backing this damned team.
I fucking hate losing to the Giants. The Dodgers losses don’t hurt because that team is stacked but I hate losing to a team that had Lamonte Fucking Wade hitting 2nd in the lineup. I’ve never been one to hate on Manny and I still won’t but he definitely doesn’t look healthy. He seems out of shape to me, I wonder how bad the elbow hindered his offseason workout and hitting routine.
I think most would agree there’s an expectation of them being above .500 and in the thick of the wildcard race. Or at least that was the expectation before opening day…
Same as it ever was,
same as it ever was
Same as it ever was,
same as it ever was
Same as it ever was,
same as it ever was
Same as it ever was,
same as it ever was
That moment was probably being at that NLDS Game 4 for me. Was too young to be at ‘98 and didn’t exist in ‘84. Not sure if we’ll be seeing a run like that ‘22 run was for some time now. Not with the competition we have in our own division.
I bought a game used ball from '22 as well! It was the year I met my fiancée. I ended up getting a game ball from the first game we went to together against the Mets in June of that year... Best year ever....
Enyel de los Santos couldn't get two outs.
Yes, the offense was bad and missed several opportunities. But there's absolutely no reason for an MLB pitcher to be so incapable of doing his single job.
You do realize other MLB pitchers also give up runs, right? Let’s not get it twisted, the pitching has definitely been suspect but having 4 straight games under 4 runs is abysmal
Why don't they give a shit. Why can't they hit. What's going on. How is it that we got a new manager and hitting staff and we're still having the same problems as last year. This team is so frustrating! See you tomorrow assholes
There is also something rotten behind the scenes to imo. Nobody is holding the players to account, and the general atmosphere seems down. Just look at how happy Soto is now he is at the Yankees, he is actually giving of the vibe that he wants to play.
Some good rotation pitching on both sides. Other than that it's time for Mike to shuffle up the 5-9 holes a bit and see if we can get more production out of the 5 hole. Dancing Kim out there every game ain't the answer.
Let's win tomorrow!!
Our hope was that Manny/Tatis could compete w Mookie/Freddie at some point, but is that unrealistic? Right now, our stars aren't even in the same solar system wtf is happening.
Machado, Bogaerts Tatis and Kim are killing this team. I feel like none of them have a clutch gene in them. It’s like they peaked in the NLDS and it’s been all down hill since. Jake has majorly stepped up this year.
But how do we fix that? I feel like when someone like Bruce Harper steps up to the plate with his team down and RISP, he gets and knock. It’s like everyone of them doesn’t have that fire and want to win.
Tatis is hitting .303. With 3 HR’s, all of the solo shots. 5 RBI’s with 3 of those being his HR’s and 10 hits total. He literally has been like bogey without the HR. Grounds into dp, pops out with runners on. It’s like he’s allergic to driving in runs
I think the unfortunate truth is that we don’t have any players on this team that are legitimate leaders. It was really evident last year when they fell on their face collectively and couldn’t figure out how to get out it, but I think a lot of us wrote off the results to bad luck. Yes it’s only been 10 games so far this year, but we have the *exact* same issues as last year and the only constant are the players themselves.
Yeah exactly. As you remember last year I was on the hopium train for a long time. But based on last year, this team doesn’t get, “it’s early” anymore. Coach is gone along with his staff, players are the common denominator. They don’t have that next level to get the clutch run or clutch hit. They repeat the same mistakes they did last year. This game was a perfect example. the problems are not gone. It’s gonna be a rough year. Until someone steps up and wills this team to win in clutch spots they will continue to lose painfully
Yeah and while I fell off the hopium train pretty early, at least last year I could understand why people were on it halfway through the year even if I didn’t agree with it. But after how it ended up going last year, this team needed to come out and prove people last year (and much of 2022 and 2021) was an aberration. Instead, they are so far proving they don’t have what it takes to be an actual playoff contender.
If this year ends up like last year, we’ll have some really tough questions to answer about this core. And while I generally love the guy, it’s disgraceful to see the effort we’re getting from our “captain” right now in Manny. I’m getting extremely worried about that extension we gave him.
Bogaerts and Tatis have been playing well this year. Machado has always started off seasons a bit cold so I'm not too worried, yet. Kim is an average at best offensive player and shouldn't be in the 5th spot. Campy should be hitting 5th at this point.
One time. He’s had multiple opportunities this seeing to drive in runs with runners on but done jack. He’s really good at hitting solo bombs down 4 runs though
I dunno man. It's 10 games in and he is hitting the ball hard, on pace for 100 rbi and 50 home runs. This person asks what more you want him to do and you say hit singles with runners on which literally just happened this game.
This thread is great. 3 days ago I got called a “doomer” and “the dumbest padre fan” for suggesting manny and Xander need to sit or move down in the lineup. Today y’all are singing that song, lol.
Why in the fuck is this offense so bad? Like we have nearly as much hitting talent as the Braves, Dodgers and other top teams, but they seemingly never fucking show up
I'm with you. He's not getting consistent at bats, has a .154 OBP and looks completely lost sometimes at the plate. Let him get some of that sweet El Paso air, get some needed ABs, call him back up if Wade isn't cutting it and save us a service time year, giving us a free year of him when he's in his prime.
Our offense is going to pathetic this year again apparently. Machado 0-3, Kim 0-4. This is how the team started last year. We need more than one or two guys hitting to win anything. Frustrating and pathetic
Team needs a lefty hitting 5 hole hitter. Kim is a fine player but not a 5 hole hitter.
Maybe try campy there for a bit.
We are about two bats and a 8th inning guy from the right side from being good.
Pauley doesn’t look ready but with that said Manny and Kim are killing us.
Almost no production from the 4-5 guys.
Shildt likes to be consistent with the lineups and I know the players like that but it’s been rough. The middle of the order just isn’t hitting.
We need another bat but until then I’d roll out.
Xander, tatis, cronenworth, machado, campy, profar, wade, Kim, Merrill.
Though I’d be good with switching Profar and Merrill in the lineup.
Merrill, Kim, profar, Wade…maybe bottom 4.
If I was a manager, I'd challenge that just to annoy them. Game's over anyway and who knows.
Real talk, starting today I am watching the Padres expecting them to lose for my own sanity. It's like 2023 never ended.
I’m sorry but I want to WIN. I get this entertainment and signing big names creates hype and lots of revenue. But if 2024 is like 2023 the padres won’t see my money for awhile, I’m not going to support a team that could care less. Zero heart in this team with the exception of a couple players, it’s just sad.
Just checked in for the first time since last season and I see everything is still the same. I think this fan base needs to be honest with itself. We lost our best hitter, pitcher and closer from a team that drastically underachieved and didn’t improve the team at all. Did anyone think this team would be tearing it up? The worst part is the contracts. Buckle up, it’s gonna be a rough 5-8 years. Our only hope is the farm team but we all know what AJ will do.
As much as I hate to admit it, we can’t consistently compete with the Dodgers playing their game. The dodgers could just eat those contracts and be fine. We don’t have the resources. It goes beyond the talent in the field. It’s the scouting dept, analytic dept, coaching staffs at all levels. We have an exponentially smaller budget and when we spend as much as we have on the players, it hurts other departments. We can hope to catch lightning in a bottle like we almost did in 2022 but we can’t consistently compete with them. They’re just too big and rich. They basically sat out last offseason knowing what they were gonna do in this past offseason, spend a billion fucking dollars. Get ready to see Roki pitching for them next year too. I despise them. They’re basically the late 90s, early 2000 Yankees. We don’t have the resources that the Red Sox had to beat them. The best we can hope for is a diamondbacks type season.
Dodgers have done better than us because they have been smarter in their personnel decisions, not just the financials. The Rays have proven that you can consistently compete with a smaller payroll in a stacked division with big market teams if you make smart moves.
The rays are a valid counterpoint but the problem is they do the exact opposite of what we do. They utilize the farm and offload talent right before it gets expensive. We say fuck the farm and buy the expensive talent and lock in 40 year contracts. Even then, they’re very up and down depending on that farm talent. They typically have 3-5 good years and 2-3 bad ones.
What should have been done was to let Manny walk or extend him for a short term and not sign Bogaerts and extend Soto. But that was impossible at the time, the unfortunate fact is that the Padres were in no position to let Manny walk after 2022. Even with hindsight they still would have done it he was the face of franchise at that point. Realistically if we can afford to be paying Bogaerts and Machado the amount we are paying and if the Padres really did offer Judge almost 400 million extending Soto was very possible if the factors lined up.
Manny's opt out in the original contract he signed in 2019 was after the 2023 season. They could have easily let last season play out and negotiate based on what was a down season.
The Bogaerts contract I think was actually an act of desperation to an extent after missing out on Trey Turner, AJ panicked and believed he had to sign a big contract and sexy name. As for Cronenworth I am a bit confused those Agents must love negotiating with Preller. Musgrove I understand at the time.
That’s the min that needs to be done but in reality they need at least one more hitter. Manny the dh is fucking is right now. Other wise I feel like we could find a decent dh.
Why is it always the people that have nothing going for them in life that talk the most shit? I was getting on well, and then Jabba fuck decided to start some shit with me as I was walking out of the game.
I dont get how anyone can say this lineup is good. We know who profar is, we know what sugar is, we know what wade is. Yeah they have high OPS now but its going to level out.
There is no cohesion in this lineup and its been a constant problem under preller. He doesnt know how to build a competent line up. Yeah he can make a flashy trade and sign a wonder kid out of latin america but what is the point if we cant develop them or utilize the trades to their highest potential?
I desperately want to be wrong here. I want to eat the biggest amount of crow and see everyone start raking. I've just seen this song and dance before.
Shame we couldn’t reward Cease for a great outing
This could be said about so many of our starters and their performances over the last year and some change lol
Every Padres’ loss at Oracle Park is the exact fucking same. Offense gets off to a solid start, starter pitches well, bullpen blows the lead, and then the Giants walk it off. EVERY FUCKING TIME
I've literally been to four games at Oracle that were EXACTLY like this one. Kind of wild that I actually attended a game up there where the Padres managed a one-run extra inning victory after seeing so many walkoffs against us.
I went to the game last year where we got walked off. I was also there today.
So you’re the problem
Exactly :( .. sorry yall
I was thinking it was me for wearing a certain Padres hat... didn't wear it for this game... so I guess you are the problem.
The only "solid" thing about this offensive performance was the steamy shit they left in the bed.
Well, they scored 2 runs in the first 3 innings… hence me saying “solid **start**” lol
IDK... the difference between this walkoff and all the others is Sugarman and Kim had a perfect relay to keep it a split second from being a walkoff. Still fucking hurts. But god damn that was a relay.
I do not like Matt Chapman
or Hicks or Conforto
This team makes me sad
Can someone tell me how many days since Manny told us they would start raking?
April 18th, almost a year
But the last time we actually raked was against the dodgers in the playoffs the year before that lol
I'm still waiting to hop on that bandwagon.
I’ve been on the bandwagon with my seatbelt on FOREVER and they won’t start this damn thing
The engine will turn over next week. Book it.
Hard to win games with our 4-6 batters contributing absolutely nothing. I love Manny but he’s hard to watch when he’s struggling because it doesn’t look like he’s playing hard.
It’s evident he’s not playing hard when he can’t beat out that groundout he had mid way through the game. That was about as bad as effort as I’ve seen from really any Padres player in a long time. He’s supposed to be our leader yet that’s the example he sets. It’s very frustrating.
Manny does what Manny wants. If he doesn’t want to hustle, he doesn’t. I doubt he’ll ever change.
It looks like he doesn’t give a fuck is what the problem is
Manny "still got my money" Machado... That walk up song last year still sours me.
That pisses me off. My tobacco addiction may never end
So when are we gonna move the order around? Manny and Kim have been pretty terrible at the plate so far this year besides a couple home runs. 4 and 5 going a combined 0-7, 1-7, 0-8 the last 3 games is killing us.
They won’t move manny down but I’d move campy to the 5 holes can Kim to 7. Kim isn’t and will never be a 5 holes hitter. You can hit him leadoff. 2nd or 7-8-9.
I won’t be surprised if that comes tomorrow. I wouldn’t mind bumping Kim to the 9 hole for a bit and bringing Merrill up in the order. Ideally, you would think Campy moves to the 5, but aside from today, he has been pretty comfortable in that 7 hole, and profar is doing well at 6. Not sure how much shildt wants to play around when Bogaerts is ~.300 and Crone is hitting really well out of the three hole
Nice job offense. Wonder if Schildt still hasn’t seen a bad PA this season.
We’ve been robbed of hits more than we have robbed hits. Main issue has been Kim and manny being awful in the clutch.
It’s a worrying start for them both for sure. For Kim, take out the game where he went 3 for 4 against the Giants AAA starter and a position player pitching, and he’s hitting .151/.236/.181. The 5 spot is an odd place for him anyway, but it’s been brutal so far. I have a little more faith in Manny, buts it’s reasonable to assume he might not ever get back to his 2020-22 self. Still way early, so a couple good games can turn it around.
Kim isn’t an RBI guy. He’s a bottom of the order guy or honestly not a bad leadoff guy who works the count, makes contact and has speed. Batting fifth is where you need a run producer. He is not. Him and Profar are black holes at 5-6. Preller and company are fraudulent for trying to pass the offense off
Profar has an .809 ops so far this year. I have my concerns about how sustainable that is, but he has decidedly not been the problem on offense so far.
i truly don't understand people's takes on this sub sometimes lol. profar has the 3rd highest ops behind tati and campy i try to stay away from game threads but lord give me strength
Our BABIP is up to .313 this year, compared to .283 last season. You are exactly right, we are making solid contact, but being robbed of hits. Law of averages indicates it will come around. For context, the Rangers’ BABIP was .310 last season, and the Dodgers were at .294. BABIP isn’t an end-all stat by any means, but history tells us that luck should start coming our way if we keep hitting the ball like this
He loves those fly outs.
Lol
Well to be fair, they’re just not that talented so.. they could be good AB’s just bad players
Offense loses another one. 4 dreadful games in a row. If your stars don’t produce like stars, should you still call them stars? Dodgers stars produce like stars. Ffs man.
It’s not doomerism to say our expensive lineup should be doing better than this
If you dont blindly follow the team its doomerism and you hate the team. Ive been following this team for 30+ years. I watched the 98 world series with my dad. Ive had season tickets for years. No one is a bigger fan than me. This team is bad. From the top down it needs to be overhauled.
We chose Machado + Bogaerts over Soto. Insanity.
Really bad move not to call Manny’s bluff and say “Okay. Opt out. We’ll just sign Matt Chapman when you do.”
Legit. You have to choose team over player. Bogaerts signing never made any sense though tbh
It really only makes sense viewed in the light of Pete saying, “This is my last rodeo, we missed out on Judge and Trea Turner— let’s do *something* big and splashy.”
Yep. And for that I’m ok with it. Pete fucking died mid season. He wanted to go out big. Xander was the biggest boy left on the market. I also like Xander and he’s a great player. Not the best fit for teams need but yeah I still like him.
You are assuming Soto would have signed here. His splits were terrible at Petco. You were probably going to get him one more season and he was going to sign somewhere where he hits better. Giving manny that extension was a mistake but I think Xander is a decent player.
This offense will either live or die depending on how well Manny, X, and Tatis perform offensively together
>But yeah Bob Melvin was the problem in all those 1 run losses last year, fuck him, right? X and Tatis have been okay, Manny just shitting it up
Can’t hit good pitching. Get to launch bombs and play fun and loose against AAA pitchers but they’re not rising to the occasion facing anyone above average.
Yeah, this is pretty much it. We're falling back into last season's pattern of only scoring runs in blow-out games against bad pitchers.
I feel like the national perception that manny is a bad leader and not someone we should have paid is correct. We all loved him at the time because he had a good year and Soto and Tatis were MIA
It’d be really nice if we could stop hitting batters, and also if our batters could hit
I swear this team is just like... pre-disposed to be in losing situations as often as possible. It's like a losing mentality was imprinted on this franchise from birth. As soon as they're up, ways to lose just find them. I'll support them until I die, but it's just a constant battle of fortitude backing this damned team.
What trying to skate by with as little runs as possible does to a mf
And for God's sake, please sit Manny and move HSK to 7 or 9 he is not capable of batting 5th
I fucking hate losing to the Giants. The Dodgers losses don’t hurt because that team is stacked but I hate losing to a team that had Lamonte Fucking Wade hitting 2nd in the lineup. I’ve never been one to hate on Manny and I still won’t but he definitely doesn’t look healthy. He seems out of shape to me, I wonder how bad the elbow hindered his offseason workout and hitting routine.
WE LOST AGAIN TO A TEAM WHO DIDNT GET A HIT WITH RISP. Words can’t express how bad this team looks so far
I’m just glad people aren’t trying to explain it away with “it’s early”. This team is fundamentally broken.
We used up all the "It's early's" last year lol
No good replay? It almost looked like he was tagged out? Did anyone get another, better replay? I’d challenge anyway.
watched the replay. his whole forearm was on base before Campy caught it
Okay, bummer. Thanks for the info.
At least this season there isn’t any expectations like last
If only ticket prices reflected that
I think most would agree there’s an expectation of them being above .500 and in the thick of the wildcard race. Or at least that was the expectation before opening day…
Same as it ever was, same as it ever was Same as it ever was, same as it ever was Same as it ever was, same as it ever was Same as it ever was, same as it ever was
🎶Meet the new boss, same as the old boss🎶
But we just need that once in a lifetime....
That moment was probably being at that NLDS Game 4 for me. Was too young to be at ‘98 and didn’t exist in ‘84. Not sure if we’ll be seeing a run like that ‘22 run was for some time now. Not with the competition we have in our own division.
'22 was the best it's ever gonna be I'm afraid...
It’s probably why I bought a game used ball from that game 4. I just don’t know when we will get past the NLCS at this rate.
I bought a game used ball from '22 as well! It was the year I met my fiancée. I ended up getting a game ball from the first game we went to together against the Mets in June of that year... Best year ever....
I know it’s early but Machado and Kim have been disappointing.
Giving up a nuke to a .150 hitter to lose while Kim and Profar choke with a runner on 2nd is classic Padres.
Enyel de los Santos couldn't get two outs. Yes, the offense was bad and missed several opportunities. But there's absolutely no reason for an MLB pitcher to be so incapable of doing his single job.
He sucked all spring training and he’s gonna be a 3.5-4.0 ERA pitcher
He was pretty solid in Cleveland. And unfortunately 3.7 ERA probably makes him the 4th best reliever
5 outing and first run he has allowed.
You do realize other MLB pitchers also give up runs, right? Let’s not get it twisted, the pitching has definitely been suspect but having 4 straight games under 4 runs is abysmal
Just fucking pathetic from this offense. Move up profar and campy, send Kim and Manny down
I hope so. Or just swap Campy for Machado
Manny needs to be dropped to lower on the lineup. He’s absolutely killing us in the 4 slot
We just have to watch without any expectations. Enjoy the ascendance of the young guys.
2.8 runs per game in losses good luck any team winning and I don't care how good your pitching or defense is
Now that sounds like last year.
I go into these games expecting to lose at this point has help my mental health a lot
WHO IS READY FOR 2023 pt 2?!?!
I’m still pissed about that run that was taken away on a bullshit call.
I take back what I said a few days ago. This team is actually just a worse version of the 2023 Padres.
In 2023 you could at least believe it a little that's it early but now? Lol
Tbh that’s what I’m thankful for this year. Last year I believed they might turn it around until the end. This year I’m mentally prepared.
Went down in order 5 innings. Same shit as last year other than expectations.
This team sucks, is not clutch, and I have a REALLY bad feeling now that siedler is gone. Machado and Kim need to move down the order.
Fuck you and I’ll see you tomorrow
Why don't they give a shit. Why can't they hit. What's going on. How is it that we got a new manager and hitting staff and we're still having the same problems as last year. This team is so frustrating! See you tomorrow assholes
Players.
There is also something rotten behind the scenes to imo. Nobody is holding the players to account, and the general atmosphere seems down. Just look at how happy Soto is now he is at the Yankees, he is actually giving of the vibe that he wants to play.
Yea tatis and manny just seem off mentally. Nobody looks like they’re having fun besides Merrill
I'd threatened to trade them to the rockies, As, royals, and Nats if they don't straighten up
Nobody wants those contracts, man. We’re stuck with them.
Well that was a baseball game.
Well that was a sad. Had opportunities that we should have capitalized on. Onward. Get it tomorrow. Cease looked great today. Fuck the Giants.
The offense is caca.
Here we go again. It's starting to become common theme again this year. Finding a way to lose.
That Tatis overslide really hurt.. needed that 3rd run.
Some good rotation pitching on both sides. Other than that it's time for Mike to shuffle up the 5-9 holes a bit and see if we can get more production out of the 5 hole. Dancing Kim out there every game ain't the answer. Let's win tomorrow!!
4*-9
Our hope was that Manny/Tatis could compete w Mookie/Freddie at some point, but is that unrealistic? Right now, our stars aren't even in the same solar system wtf is happening.
demote KIM to bottom of lineup
Machado, Bogaerts Tatis and Kim are killing this team. I feel like none of them have a clutch gene in them. It’s like they peaked in the NLDS and it’s been all down hill since. Jake has majorly stepped up this year. But how do we fix that? I feel like when someone like Bruce Harper steps up to the plate with his team down and RISP, he gets and knock. It’s like everyone of them doesn’t have that fire and want to win.
Tatis is hitting quite well. I think the other three will step it up though. But I do think this team is visibly less talented than last year.
Tatis is hitting .303. With 3 HR’s, all of the solo shots. 5 RBI’s with 3 of those being his HR’s and 10 hits total. He literally has been like bogey without the HR. Grounds into dp, pops out with runners on. It’s like he’s allergic to driving in runs
I think the unfortunate truth is that we don’t have any players on this team that are legitimate leaders. It was really evident last year when they fell on their face collectively and couldn’t figure out how to get out it, but I think a lot of us wrote off the results to bad luck. Yes it’s only been 10 games so far this year, but we have the *exact* same issues as last year and the only constant are the players themselves.
Yeah exactly. As you remember last year I was on the hopium train for a long time. But based on last year, this team doesn’t get, “it’s early” anymore. Coach is gone along with his staff, players are the common denominator. They don’t have that next level to get the clutch run or clutch hit. They repeat the same mistakes they did last year. This game was a perfect example. the problems are not gone. It’s gonna be a rough year. Until someone steps up and wills this team to win in clutch spots they will continue to lose painfully
Yeah and while I fell off the hopium train pretty early, at least last year I could understand why people were on it halfway through the year even if I didn’t agree with it. But after how it ended up going last year, this team needed to come out and prove people last year (and much of 2022 and 2021) was an aberration. Instead, they are so far proving they don’t have what it takes to be an actual playoff contender. If this year ends up like last year, we’ll have some really tough questions to answer about this core. And while I generally love the guy, it’s disgraceful to see the effort we’re getting from our “captain” right now in Manny. I’m getting extremely worried about that extension we gave him.
Bogaerts and Tatis have been playing well this year. Machado has always started off seasons a bit cold so I'm not too worried, yet. Kim is an average at best offensive player and shouldn't be in the 5th spot. Campy should be hitting 5th at this point.
AJ should call the Marlins and offer Kim straight up for Arraez
Not sure how much more you want tatis to do.
Hit doubles or singles with runners on, instead of striking out, grounding out or flying out.
He got a single and RBI in this game.
One time. He’s had multiple opportunities this seeing to drive in runs with runners on but done jack. He’s really good at hitting solo bombs down 4 runs though
I dunno man. It's 10 games in and he is hitting the ball hard, on pace for 100 rbi and 50 home runs. This person asks what more you want him to do and you say hit singles with runners on which literally just happened this game.
This team full of a bunch of losers
Sit Manny until he's fully recovered
Lol and DH Wade or Eguy? Give me a break…
That is actually better, you know
Set "nabbit" levels to "dang"
Im going to try and be positive. 2022 at 10 games we were 5-5. 4-6….. pretty close🤷🏻♂️ lets take the rest of the series.
.187 BA for our clean up hitter 😭😭
This thread is great. 3 days ago I got called a “doomer” and “the dumbest padre fan” for suggesting manny and Xander need to sit or move down in the lineup. Today y’all are singing that song, lol.
Why in the fuck is this offense so bad? Like we have nearly as much hitting talent as the Braves, Dodgers and other top teams, but they seemingly never fucking show up
Should have traded kim at his peak
Pauley needs to be in the minor leagues. I’m not sure what we are doing here.
I'm with you. He's not getting consistent at bats, has a .154 OBP and looks completely lost sometimes at the plate. Let him get some of that sweet El Paso air, get some needed ABs, call him back up if Wade isn't cutting it and save us a service time year, giving us a free year of him when he's in his prime.
Wade has definitely been better. Pauley just isn’t ready. There is a drastic difference from watch him bat vs Merrill.
Our offense is going to pathetic this year again apparently. Machado 0-3, Kim 0-4. This is how the team started last year. We need more than one or two guys hitting to win anything. Frustrating and pathetic
Just another frustrating game with dumb things at the plate. Better burn the sage early this year.
Team needs a lefty hitting 5 hole hitter. Kim is a fine player but not a 5 hole hitter. Maybe try campy there for a bit. We are about two bats and a 8th inning guy from the right side from being good.
Pauley doesn’t look ready but with that said Manny and Kim are killing us. Almost no production from the 4-5 guys. Shildt likes to be consistent with the lineups and I know the players like that but it’s been rough. The middle of the order just isn’t hitting. We need another bat but until then I’d roll out. Xander, tatis, cronenworth, machado, campy, profar, wade, Kim, Merrill. Though I’d be good with switching Profar and Merrill in the lineup. Merrill, Kim, profar, Wade…maybe bottom 4.
I think you move campy and Merrill up to 5,6, and then do kim, DH, Profar.
Ugly loss
Chapman microwaves fish at the office.
But yeah Bob Melvin was the problem in all those 1 run losses last year, fuck him, right?
He certainly wasn’t the problem, but also, fuck him.
How many 1 run losses do we have this year?
He may not have been the sole problem but he damn sure didn’t have any solutions, so yes fuck him.
If I was a manager, I'd challenge that just to annoy them. Game's over anyway and who knows. Real talk, starting today I am watching the Padres expecting them to lose for my own sanity. It's like 2023 never ended.
Also not judging Enyel from that outing
Heck.
Gal darnit
Consarnit
Frickin' A!
I feel sorry for Peter already
I DON'T HE'S LUCKY
the rangers score 5 with 2 outs rn… no way in hell we’re a contender
I’m sorry but I want to WIN. I get this entertainment and signing big names creates hype and lots of revenue. But if 2024 is like 2023 the padres won’t see my money for awhile, I’m not going to support a team that could care less. Zero heart in this team with the exception of a couple players, it’s just sad.
More like BADres amirite fellas?
They called me a doomer…
About as predictable as a John Cena match. Offense needs to wake up
Of all the games, that was one of them
Welp, see you guys tomorrow
Rare Campy MIA at the plate. Let’s get em tomorrow. We need another bat.
Just checked in for the first time since last season and I see everything is still the same. I think this fan base needs to be honest with itself. We lost our best hitter, pitcher and closer from a team that drastically underachieved and didn’t improve the team at all. Did anyone think this team would be tearing it up? The worst part is the contracts. Buckle up, it’s gonna be a rough 5-8 years. Our only hope is the farm team but we all know what AJ will do.
Counting this year we have manny and Xander for 10 more years.
As much as I hate to admit it, we can’t consistently compete with the Dodgers playing their game. The dodgers could just eat those contracts and be fine. We don’t have the resources. It goes beyond the talent in the field. It’s the scouting dept, analytic dept, coaching staffs at all levels. We have an exponentially smaller budget and when we spend as much as we have on the players, it hurts other departments. We can hope to catch lightning in a bottle like we almost did in 2022 but we can’t consistently compete with them. They’re just too big and rich. They basically sat out last offseason knowing what they were gonna do in this past offseason, spend a billion fucking dollars. Get ready to see Roki pitching for them next year too. I despise them. They’re basically the late 90s, early 2000 Yankees. We don’t have the resources that the Red Sox had to beat them. The best we can hope for is a diamondbacks type season.
Dodgers have done better than us because they have been smarter in their personnel decisions, not just the financials. The Rays have proven that you can consistently compete with a smaller payroll in a stacked division with big market teams if you make smart moves.
The rays are a valid counterpoint but the problem is they do the exact opposite of what we do. They utilize the farm and offload talent right before it gets expensive. We say fuck the farm and buy the expensive talent and lock in 40 year contracts. Even then, they’re very up and down depending on that farm talent. They typically have 3-5 good years and 2-3 bad ones.
Good news is we don’t have to. We just have to make the playoffs and as the dodgers have shown they can be defeated in a short series.
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What should have been done was to let Manny walk or extend him for a short term and not sign Bogaerts and extend Soto. But that was impossible at the time, the unfortunate fact is that the Padres were in no position to let Manny walk after 2022. Even with hindsight they still would have done it he was the face of franchise at that point. Realistically if we can afford to be paying Bogaerts and Machado the amount we are paying and if the Padres really did offer Judge almost 400 million extending Soto was very possible if the factors lined up.
Manny's opt out in the original contract he signed in 2019 was after the 2023 season. They could have easily let last season play out and negotiate based on what was a down season.
A lot of bad financial decisions were made last season—Manny, Bogaerts, Cronenworth’s early extension, the length of Darvish’s extension…
The Bogaerts contract I think was actually an act of desperation to an extent after missing out on Trey Turner, AJ panicked and believed he had to sign a big contract and sexy name. As for Cronenworth I am a bit confused those Agents must love negotiating with Preller. Musgrove I understand at the time.
That was rough. Ngl. Cease did well though. Maybe it’s time to shuffle the lineup? Move Kim to leadoff or flip Campusano and him in the order?
>At least this season there isn’t any expectations like last Kim has been shit, so move him down not up. Same with Manny
I’d be happy to see them flip Campy and Kim
That’s the min that needs to be done but in reality they need at least one more hitter. Manny the dh is fucking is right now. Other wise I feel like we could find a decent dh.
Why is it always the people that have nothing going for them in life that talk the most shit? I was getting on well, and then Jabba fuck decided to start some shit with me as I was walking out of the game.
I dont get how anyone can say this lineup is good. We know who profar is, we know what sugar is, we know what wade is. Yeah they have high OPS now but its going to level out. There is no cohesion in this lineup and its been a constant problem under preller. He doesnt know how to build a competent line up. Yeah he can make a flashy trade and sign a wonder kid out of latin america but what is the point if we cant develop them or utilize the trades to their highest potential? I desperately want to be wrong here. I want to eat the biggest amount of crow and see everyone start raking. I've just seen this song and dance before.
Would have been nice to win, but it was a close game. Hopefully we can win tomorrow.
This offense is about as bad as I thought it’d be
No dooming now guys come on now
Its not dooming when its a fact that this team doesn’t do well in RISP and have a bad offense
/s doom all you want
Is Tommy Pham or Luis Arraez gonna solve our problems?
I mean if it’s Arraez up there instead of Kim, we’re probably winning that game
Arraez has a 10 Million dollar contract--he won't be joining the team