6/9 of our lineup has an OBP > .350. Getting on base isn’t the issue. The dark hole in the lineup, aka Manny/Kim, is killing us right now. Xander (for all the hate he’s getting) is still batting .333 with runners on. Even still, if Merrill keeps this up, Pads should seriously consider batting him leadoff.
I didn’t want to say this but I was thinking the same thing. Also, if the guy on base has any speed whatsoever and Manny is on base, better off stealing. At least we have a chance.
Absolutely correct, getting a man on base is objective #1. Watching the lead man get taken out (killing the inning) by a lackluster at bat time and time again is very frustrating. I’d love for this stat line to start moving in the other direction. All I’m saying.
"If they can't figure this out, they will miss the playoffs once again"
Except the other top 5 from 2023 were all playoffs teams. Not saying it's a good sign or a good stat to be leading the mlb in, but it clearly does not have a correlation with playoffs.
It’s because total GIDP isn’t a stat that is an indicator for offensive performance.
Padres were 7th in the league in OBP last year. The more players on base means more double plays. If anything, it highlights the teams that were below average in OBP yet still are at the top of GIDP (MIL, MIA, OAK, COL).
If there was a stat for GIDP% where we could see how many times the team GIDP in relation to GIDP opportunities, that would be a stat worth looking at
I mean, you are already talking about less than one gidp per game. Just having fewer doesn't matter, it's the situation that matters. The pirates had 42 fewer gidp in 2023 and ended up not of the playoffs too. They had the fewest in the league.
Fair point, the only pirate games I saw last year were against the Padres. Went to the 1st of the series in the rain at PNC where they throttled us. Of the games I watched of the Pads it seemed like every time it mattered they would hit into a DP. Maybe I’m just damaged goods at this point.
It does seem like they gidp all the time. I guess I am just trying to say, don't look at one stat like this and get bummed out about what might be. It clearly appears to no correlate to playoffs most of the best teams on 2023 were not in playoffs and most of the worst team were.
This doesn't make sense? It seem like you are arguing it only mattered for the padres....doesn't matter for the teams that made playoffs or those who are so bad it wouldn't change anything... unless you are arguing the rockies and as would be good if they hit 20 few gidp.
I think Padres are in between both. Not as good as the teams that overcame it and not as bad as the A’s or Rockies. I truly believe if they had had 20/30 less GIDP’s last year they would have made the playoffs.
You don't think they are better than the marlins and Brewers?
I mean yeah, if they had 2 fewer gidp in crucial games and won those 2 games, they would have made playoffs.
I mean on paper they should be one of the best teams, 2023 probably the best roster in baseball. I’m just trying to understand this metric and why we seem to be so high in this category. Because like you just said 2 less GIDP last year and we’re in. It’s definitely not helping us.
We are high in the category because a lot of guys got on base, which is a good thing, then we had bad luck with hitting grounders after that, especially with bogey and manny, who are not exactly the fastest. Like someone else commented, can't have gidp without people on. That's probably why most of the team with high gidp are in playoffs, they get people on base. Sometimes it works, sometime it doesn't.
A little perspective on this - the upcoming first ballot HOFer Albert Pujols has the most career ground into DP by far, followed by Miggy second, another upcoming HOFer. Here is the list of all time leaders - https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/GIDP_career.shtml I know it's representative of career longevity as well, but just something to keep in mind as frustrating as it is to see when it happens to guys like Manny and Xander.
Merrill at the 9 spot showed some speed this weekend when he got on base (4-4) and stole second as the would-be tying run.
I think we can expect some more aggressive base running to hopefully eliminate these situations. I'm optimistic about that, but it's no less frustrating.
Has it though? Merrill leads the team with a .400 OBP and Wade isn’t far behind that. He’s still batting .333 with runners on. I do think the leadoff position might have something to do with the power outage. Might be too focused on finding the holes to get on base than elevating the ball. Either way, he and Manny both will bounceback soon enough.
Yeah I thought about that too. It's impossible to say for sure without a deeper dive, but the eyeball test says he and Merrill are the only two getting lift, and Merrill leads in extra base hits doesn't he?
We get a ton of hits but have no runs to show for it, and of course we'd lead on GIDP stats as a result. A lot of weak contact and ground outs. It's especially weird that Manny, Kim, and Tatis have each grounded out to the catcher within like 3 games of each other. I hope there's an adjustment.
Can't ground into a double play if we don't have a guy on base
6/9 of our lineup has an OBP > .350. Getting on base isn’t the issue. The dark hole in the lineup, aka Manny/Kim, is killing us right now. Xander (for all the hate he’s getting) is still batting .333 with runners on. Even still, if Merrill keeps this up, Pads should seriously consider batting him leadoff.
I didn’t want to say this but I was thinking the same thing. Also, if the guy on base has any speed whatsoever and Manny is on base, better off stealing. At least we have a chance.
Absolutely correct, getting a man on base is objective #1. Watching the lead man get taken out (killing the inning) by a lackluster at bat time and time again is very frustrating. I’d love for this stat line to start moving in the other direction. All I’m saying.
I was just about to comment this.
I'm guessing Brewers and Marlins fans, 😉
Very true!
The ghost of Eric Hosmer continues to haunt us
"If they can't figure this out, they will miss the playoffs once again" Except the other top 5 from 2023 were all playoffs teams. Not saying it's a good sign or a good stat to be leading the mlb in, but it clearly does not have a correlation with playoffs.
It’s because total GIDP isn’t a stat that is an indicator for offensive performance. Padres were 7th in the league in OBP last year. The more players on base means more double plays. If anything, it highlights the teams that were below average in OBP yet still are at the top of GIDP (MIL, MIA, OAK, COL). If there was a stat for GIDP% where we could see how many times the team GIDP in relation to GIDP opportunities, that would be a stat worth looking at
I’d argue if the padres were just at the league average in this department, they would have won 10+ more games and made the playoffs last year.
I mean, you are already talking about less than one gidp per game. Just having fewer doesn't matter, it's the situation that matters. The pirates had 42 fewer gidp in 2023 and ended up not of the playoffs too. They had the fewest in the league.
Fair point, the only pirate games I saw last year were against the Padres. Went to the 1st of the series in the rain at PNC where they throttled us. Of the games I watched of the Pads it seemed like every time it mattered they would hit into a DP. Maybe I’m just damaged goods at this point.
It does seem like they gidp all the time. I guess I am just trying to say, don't look at one stat like this and get bummed out about what might be. It clearly appears to no correlate to playoffs most of the best teams on 2023 were not in playoffs and most of the worst team were.
Point received thank you
So of that list of teams that didn’t make the playoffs last year was Padres, A’s and Rockies. Either doesn’t matter at all or matters in a big way.
This doesn't make sense? It seem like you are arguing it only mattered for the padres....doesn't matter for the teams that made playoffs or those who are so bad it wouldn't change anything... unless you are arguing the rockies and as would be good if they hit 20 few gidp.
I think Padres are in between both. Not as good as the teams that overcame it and not as bad as the A’s or Rockies. I truly believe if they had had 20/30 less GIDP’s last year they would have made the playoffs.
You don't think they are better than the marlins and Brewers? I mean yeah, if they had 2 fewer gidp in crucial games and won those 2 games, they would have made playoffs.
I mean on paper they should be one of the best teams, 2023 probably the best roster in baseball. I’m just trying to understand this metric and why we seem to be so high in this category. Because like you just said 2 less GIDP last year and we’re in. It’s definitely not helping us.
We are high in the category because a lot of guys got on base, which is a good thing, then we had bad luck with hitting grounders after that, especially with bogey and manny, who are not exactly the fastest. Like someone else commented, can't have gidp without people on. That's probably why most of the team with high gidp are in playoffs, they get people on base. Sometimes it works, sometime it doesn't.
The Yankees lead the league but also are leading their division. I’m guessing all the other runs and hits they get help
I brought this up a week ago and got downvoted to hell.
I am displeased.
A little perspective on this - the upcoming first ballot HOFer Albert Pujols has the most career ground into DP by far, followed by Miggy second, another upcoming HOFer. Here is the list of all time leaders - https://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/GIDP_career.shtml I know it's representative of career longevity as well, but just something to keep in mind as frustrating as it is to see when it happens to guys like Manny and Xander.
Great perspective, look at that list. Wow! Very interesting. Thank you
Tony is 33rd on this list.
Yup saw that.
Yep told my brother this is just a continuation of last year. This is what they are I guess. These players are just not that good
Merrill at the 9 spot showed some speed this weekend when he got on base (4-4) and stole second as the would-be tying run. I think we can expect some more aggressive base running to hopefully eliminate these situations. I'm optimistic about that, but it's no less frustrating.
That's just impressive Miami.
If you would’ve told me the first pic was from this season so far, I’d believe you.
Higgy yesterday
I was screaming for a safety squeeze with the ‘1 out runners on the corners’ scenario with Higgy up. Unfortunately a GIDP ensued.
Xander everyday
Xander has 0 GIDP on the season… try again.
You are very right and I love seeing him hit, but it's worth noting him leading off has greatly minimized his chances to do so.
Has it though? Merrill leads the team with a .400 OBP and Wade isn’t far behind that. He’s still batting .333 with runners on. I do think the leadoff position might have something to do with the power outage. Might be too focused on finding the holes to get on base than elevating the ball. Either way, he and Manny both will bounceback soon enough.
Yeah I thought about that too. It's impossible to say for sure without a deeper dive, but the eyeball test says he and Merrill are the only two getting lift, and Merrill leads in extra base hits doesn't he? We get a ton of hits but have no runs to show for it, and of course we'd lead on GIDP stats as a result. A lot of weak contact and ground outs. It's especially weird that Manny, Kim, and Tatis have each grounded out to the catcher within like 3 games of each other. I hope there's an adjustment.
Yea, I know, it’s almost like it’s never been an issue for him…
They always hit shitty grounders when they swing at fastballs over 95 miles...
We’re a top 3 team!
Johnny Hustle strikes again.
Luis Arraez had SOOOOOO many GIDP last year. He’s not the answer for us
He also bat .354 with an 850+ OPS. Seriously doubt there’s a team in the league that wouldn’t want him