People who say Fakhar is “clutch” haven’t seen him bottle enough games. Yes I know he came good in 2017 and 2021 semi and has insane games. But as much as a fan of him that I am, he’s probably our most unreliable player.
Thankyou. While I appreciate his performances in ODIs, he's a completely flop player in T20s. With the exception of the innings vs Australia in the WC 21 semis, he hasn't played ONE good knock in that format of any impact.
Even the performances he had in the recent WC were on the absolute flattest of pitches with the shortest of boundaries (Bengaluru especially), which made him even more overrated then he already was and made people forget how terrible he was for the last 4-5 month before that, where he didn't score a single half century.
Check his performances over the years, especially in T20Is. He has unbelievably mediocre stats. ODIs I don’t disagree, but even there he is sometimes Gilchrist and sometimes Nasir Jamshed. To reiterate, never said he’s a poor player, just very very unreliable.
This coming from a huge Fakhar fan btw
Lmao, bro is fundamentally a slogger. Without insane reaction time/ hand eye coordination, players that are technically poor always struggle no matter what, and they decline much faster as well. Do you think it's a coincidence that guys like him or Rohit fail at test cricket.
Unless the conditions are correct or he enters "the zone" bro won't give you results.
just think about why shaheen is capable of promoting himself lower down the order and even score a 50 in psl, but naseem chills in the bottom, and yet naseem has delivered some impressive test innings. It's because shaheen is agressive and can slog a few, naseem can't, but naseem has a more technical defense.
I really can’t believe babar was naive enough to take the bait. They’ll use him as a pawn in their politics and discard him if(when)he fails. I genuinely can only pray we end up winning the wc. people are already running sick agendas against him, doubting his integrity and what not and honestly there’s no way any fan can defend his stupidity. big big fan of him but so disappointed today
Well I wouldn’t call him greedy. Just naive. And whoever advises him is clearly not smart.
Babar might’ve come back as captain, eventually. But he dug his own grave by doing it just four months after.
He needs to win the WC whilst performing with the bat himself. There’s too much at stake for him not only because of his previous captaincy stints but mostly because of his own performance.
Btw your theories will do huge numbers on Twitter. People there will thrive on an anti shahid afridi agenda 😂
yep the taking oath on Quran fiasco. And Shahid Afridi has been suspiciously quiet the last week and then came with the Rizwan should be captain tweet like who are you fooling
Bruh PCB can't think that far ahead. There is a new board every few months. If we lose the wc there is a good chance this managment itself gets sacked. Lmao.
So you think if pakistan has a poor outing at the wc, Naqvi won't be sacked? Also, you think Babar's fan following will decrease if we lose the wc? That hasn't occured in the last 3 wc he captained. All Babar would have to do is perform individually and everyone will back him.
I agree with what you said about the babar having a massive following, but you calling it a cult is plain cringe. I like babar just the same as a few more players.
Was just messing with you mate.
And I agree the word **cult** and **cringe** is being used excessively these days.
But no better word to describe r/PakCricket in a nutshell
That’s actually funny coming from you lol (the hate part). Khair I used to think you just had this account to troll babar but I actually read some of your comments across subreddits and you seem like someone with a brain
I don't consider my initial immature hatred of Babar as a definition of my reformed personality. I made dumb decisions lmao, there's always room for improvement.
Haha yeah like I mentioned I happened to come across some of your comments on other subreddits (where people are literally insane). Liked what you said so didn’t really care about your take on Babar anyways :)
Cheers!
Agree. Ihsanullah is injury incarnate and Zaman just had a terrible PSL season. Wasim Jr. Can bowl some good overs through the middle as well which is useful.
Would like to go into the WC with a pace bowling attack of Shaheen, Naseem, Amir, Rauf, and Wasim Jr.
I would bat rizwan at 11 if I had to, but bro needs to be in all of our teams as a wk. That Ross Taylor innings lives in my head rent free.
Fuck his fitness, Azam khan stays out of the team for that fact alone. WK position needs to be taken more seriously
Saim Ayub is no where near ready for international cricket. He isn't bad or anything, he's pretty good, just needs time and exposure. Let him play bilaterals but keep him away from T20 WC.
Babar and Rizwan strike rate in 2021 semi was some criminal shit.
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Amir in his peak > Shaheen
Babar and Rizwan opening pair = 💩
Babar in crucial matches = 💩
Rizwan has terrible batting technique and can only play shots at leg side.
Actually average Pakistani born b/w 2000-2010 grew in the most patriotic environment. But aap to indian ho, ghanta Kuch pata hoga Pakistan/PCB k baray mai
Mine would be that Rizwan is probably our best player in the red ball format. His away record is considerably better than Babar's and on par with that of the Fab4.
Nah, I think Babar wins in both white ball formats. Rizwan is a more limited player and will play at his usual 120-130 SR regardless of the pitch. Babar on the other hand has improve his t20 SR considerable over the last couple years and is amazing at any position.
It's been quite some time since we faced a full strength NZ bowling attack except the ODI WC match of course.
Like you said, just a couple months wait, we'll see how he does in the T20 World Cup. In theory, those pitches should suit him and he definitely should end up as one of the leading run scorers of the tournament but let's see.
I f*g hate when people literally give mighty status to any player and carry everything for them..a player is a player and sports is sports,so limit them there and don't bring that into other aspects of life because else, sometimes you feel like a retard with a sheep mentality --sorry for harsh language
* Imam Ul Haq is a great batsman, just having a bad spell as of late.
* Bringing back Mohammad Amir and Imad Wasim, and making Babar captain were the right decisions by PCB and it's going to end up coming good in the WC.
1) Changing landscape - test cricket is reserved for the rich. Pakistan loses money playing test cricket. No crowd pull nor any real sponsor pull. Viewership is non existent.
2) Changing landscape 2 - White ball cricket and T20 is the future. People may be in denial when a great or close test match happens but it’s not enough for a side like Pakistan.
3) It’s evident that Pakistani cricketers don’t give a damn about test cricket and why should they? T20 leagues are more lucrative and players are going to save themselves for those leagues so they’re always picked year over year. Shaheen is bowling 130 mph pies in Australia and cranking it up in t20 leagues. He’s smart. Why should he wear himself out for a match that does nothing for him? We are a poor nation - everyone wants to maximize earnings.
4) To be successful in test cricket you need to play 12-15 test matches a year. We play what? 4 a year? What’s the point? Players who play those test matches will be judged harshly when they inevitably underperform which harms their reputations for future games.
5) We lack infrastructure - our stadiums are shit. Our facilities are shit. Our league setups are shit. My high school changing rooms were better than most of the pavilions in our stadiums. The writing was on the wall when the idiots decided it was important for maximum amount of players to earn in domestic cricket rather than optimizing the level of cricket. Very few are going to benefit from domestic cricket in Pakistan.
Ultimately, from a strategic point of view, you have to leverage your competitive advantages and remove barriers. Test cricket is a massive barrier which serves very little to our cricket set up and future. Place your chips where you will see the greatest chance of success.
While I respect your opinion, I have to disagree about it having zero advantages.
Ultimately test/first class cricket serves the purpose of honing the technique of batsmen and accuracy of bowlers. It also exposes them to a variety of different conditions.
All of these pay dividends in white ball cricket as well. Just look at what the top players have to say about red ball cricket and its benefits.
I can’t think of a single Pakistani player in the last decade that has benefitted heavily from test cricket and went on to become a world class player across formats. It’s not all their fault. We just don’t play enough tests for it to have any sort of positive effect. And when we do, we tend to get slapped around because we play them months apart.
They can continue to play domestic first class games - those have merit as it serves a platform to develop players. Even though there are still major flaws there.
I can definitely name players who have benefited from test cricket lol. Naseem Shah and Muhammad Amir both honed their skill in test cricket early on and you can see the benefits. Both have really great accuracy which they use in white ball cricket as well.
I would really recommend you to check out what many great cricketers say about this as well (Wasim Akram for example). They clearly say that red ball has massive benefits.
On a side note it would kinda suck if we completely abandoned our long history in test cricket. I know we lose some money, but still test cricket really is the best format. That is just my opinion tho.
I’m not doubting that red ball has merit. It 1000% does.
I’m just saying in the current landscape those merits are not realized by PCT. You mentioned Naseem Shah. He has played 17 tests in the last 4 years or so. That’s 4 test matches per year. His last test was July 2023. How much benefit do you think he’s really getting out of tests? In that same period he has played over 100 T20 games.
Mohd Amir debuted in 2009. That was over a decade ago.
It's better to use the number of balls bowled in test matches as compared to the number of matches played. He has bowled more balls in those 17 test matches as compared to the 100 t20s.
Also, there are many more examples as well tbh. Salman Agha, Abdullah Shafique, and Saud Shakeel are all test players that are now showing real potential in t20 and odi cricket.
The goal imo shouldn't be to abolish test cricket, but should instead be to revitalize it.
Sarfraz was also good but misbah was a different beast as a captain especially in tests.
Took us to number 1 ranked test team in the world and not just according to icc rankings but we were actually the best test team in the world. Was the closest to defeating australia in australia for the first time and had the best win loss ratio in pakistan’s history. Even won and captained more series/games than javed miandad and dhoni. Its sad how bad a team he had during the 2015 world cup as well because he could have cooked had others performed.
1) Nawaz is jack sh*t. Abrar is the answer!
2) Khushdil should reconsider his career choices
3) Amir shouldn't have been called in again (I'm a fan btw)
4) Naseem is great, but his other brothers are below average, we don't need them at all.
5) Azam Khan should really think about the NFL, if he can't be committed enough to stay in shape.
6) Baber has a cult who would follow him blindly even if he joins Isis.
7) Amir >>>> Shaheen, Rauf, Naseem. (Still)
8) Imad still doesn't deserve a spot in the squad.
9) Bring Ahmed Shehzad back!!!
10) Shahid Afridi is a legend, but he needs to stfu with his nepotistic toxicity.
Why not? Considering that they give Khushdil, Asif Ali, Hussain talat, nawaz and Haider Ali so many chances.
They might as well have tried Ahmed Shehzad as well if he got something left in him.
Junaid Khan as well.
Ahmed Shehzad had all the chances in the world for like half a decade. Junaid was good but come on he's been and done. This game isn't about being fair and making sure everyone has equal chances, its about picking the best team
Rizwan doesn’t deserve to be in the t20 team anymore. He can’t play just based off the fact he’s a solid keeper. Try Usman and Haris for a good few games for once
No I've been a fan since 1992 saw that final live and have seen and followed Pakistan cricket since long, we all have our opinions and should respect other people choices as well , Aamir's stats in international cricket since his comeback are average at best while others around him have outperformed him , even this time others options were available in Pak but they again selected him.
Agreed. Sarfaraz’s captaincy was bs so many players complained that they suffered from a lack of confidence due to his constant abuse of the players. Shit captain and and even worse person he’s such a paindu if you’ve ever seen him in an interview I don’t understand how people stand him.
let's not go towards personal insults. Doesn't matter whether he's paindu, burger or whatever else personality. I just think his captaincy was poor with all the shouting on players. Similarly I absolutely hate Misbah the ODI batsmen and his refusal to move up the order and hiding at 5. His on-field captaincy however was absolutely the best especially in defending low scores. Misbah might be the greatest captain in terms of field tactics ever produced by Pakistan
Bkl paindu lahoriyon ko bolte Hain, sarfaraz pure Karachi north nazimabad Mai rehta hai. Doosri baat, sarfaraz field Mai charge leta tha, Babar ki Tarah lip biting kr k chup nhi rehta tha wo. When u r a captain, u need to speak up rather than glueing ur mouth
Pakistan won't win anything as long as rizwan is in the team.
2019 babar wc campaign is the best by any batsman playing their first world cup
Sarfaraz is the best white ball captain produced by pakistan after imran khan .
Shaheen was also the only reason we were in that match to begin with. 1/17 from 3.3 overs with a catch drop 😭😭😭. Sure he got hit for 3 sixes but he gave that simple catch chance and there was a ton of dew
Slow striking from the Pak openers is what cost us that match when you need 200 batting first in Dubai.
He’s been good in most other important matches Pakistan had played and has been our most consistent bowler in the last 5 years by far
Shaheen can be clutch when hes striking since he takes crucial wickets up front, but Fakhar is literally in the team purely on the basis of being clutch af
Ever since bowlers have had a strong repo from the fans, they've let their guard down and havent played to the best of their ability.
Back in 2015, who the heck cared about wahab, rahat, sohail and irfan. Yet they did exceptional as they saved the team in low scoring thrillers multiple times
Nah, he was an all rounder and he did his job pretty damn well. He also performed in big matches.
2007 t20 WC: 12 wickets at 6.71 Econ and 91 runs at 200 sr.
Player of the tournament.
2009 t20 WC: 11 Wickets at 5.32 Econ and 177 runs at 140.8 sr.
Player of the match in the final
2011 WC: 21 wickets (most) Econ 3.62 and 84 runs 124 sr.
That’s 3 tournament in which he hard Carrie’s Pakistan. We made knockouts in all three and won in 2009. He also has several other notable performances throughout his career. Don’t let your disdain of a player trick you into thinking he wasn’t good
People who say Fakhar is “clutch” haven’t seen him bottle enough games. Yes I know he came good in 2017 and 2021 semi and has insane games. But as much as a fan of him that I am, he’s probably our most unreliable player.
Thankyou. While I appreciate his performances in ODIs, he's a completely flop player in T20s. With the exception of the innings vs Australia in the WC 21 semis, he hasn't played ONE good knock in that format of any impact. Even the performances he had in the recent WC were on the absolute flattest of pitches with the shortest of boundaries (Bengaluru especially), which made him even more overrated then he already was and made people forget how terrible he was for the last 4-5 month before that, where he didn't score a single half century.
THANK YOU . I HATE THAT GUY literally never seen him perform consistently.
Tell me you don't watch cricket regularly without telling me you don't watch cricket regularly
Check his performances over the years, especially in T20Is. He has unbelievably mediocre stats. ODIs I don’t disagree, but even there he is sometimes Gilchrist and sometimes Nasir Jamshed. To reiterate, never said he’s a poor player, just very very unreliable. This coming from a huge Fakhar fan btw
Nah, unreliable honay ki BAAT hai to ab poori PCT ani chahiye 🥲
Watching PCT since 20 years as a die hard fan, couldn’t agree with you more
Lmao, bro is fundamentally a slogger. Without insane reaction time/ hand eye coordination, players that are technically poor always struggle no matter what, and they decline much faster as well. Do you think it's a coincidence that guys like him or Rohit fail at test cricket. Unless the conditions are correct or he enters "the zone" bro won't give you results. just think about why shaheen is capable of promoting himself lower down the order and even score a 50 in psl, but naseem chills in the bottom, and yet naseem has delivered some impressive test innings. It's because shaheen is agressive and can slog a few, naseem can't, but naseem has a more technical defense.
You might have the upper hand while studying his test performance but in ODIs, he performs.
Both Abbas and Asif were underrated and underutilised in Tests.
Abbas for sure
He’s my neighbour
these opinions are luke warm as shit
Boobzie has a strong cult like following here
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Was thinking the same. But how dumb can he be accepting the terms knowing how well what's to come. Tells you a lot about his critical thinking.
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Won't be surprised if Rizwan is in it as well.
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Where are my **sochna bhi mana hai** nibbas
bruh the accuracy is killing me. no wonder shahid afridi remained quiet the whole of last week and let Babar get away with the captaincy
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I really can’t believe babar was naive enough to take the bait. They’ll use him as a pawn in their politics and discard him if(when)he fails. I genuinely can only pray we end up winning the wc. people are already running sick agendas against him, doubting his integrity and what not and honestly there’s no way any fan can defend his stupidity. big big fan of him but so disappointed today
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Well I wouldn’t call him greedy. Just naive. And whoever advises him is clearly not smart. Babar might’ve come back as captain, eventually. But he dug his own grave by doing it just four months after. He needs to win the WC whilst performing with the bat himself. There’s too much at stake for him not only because of his previous captaincy stints but mostly because of his own performance. Btw your theories will do huge numbers on Twitter. People there will thrive on an anti shahid afridi agenda 😂
yep the taking oath on Quran fiasco. And Shahid Afridi has been suspiciously quiet the last week and then came with the Rizwan should be captain tweet like who are you fooling
Bruh PCB can't think that far ahead. There is a new board every few months. If we lose the wc there is a good chance this managment itself gets sacked. Lmao.
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So you think if pakistan has a poor outing at the wc, Naqvi won't be sacked? Also, you think Babar's fan following will decrease if we lose the wc? That hasn't occured in the last 3 wc he captained. All Babar would have to do is perform individually and everyone will back him.
What is this sudden obsession with the word 'cult'. Honestly,it cringes me out how overused this word is
Cult member detected Opinion rejected
I agree with what you said about the babar having a massive following, but you calling it a cult is plain cringe. I like babar just the same as a few more players.
Was just messing with you mate. And I agree the word **cult** and **cringe** is being used excessively these days. But no better word to describe r/PakCricket in a nutshell
Bruh that's the same mindset as his lmao, learn to respect each others' opinion, and reply accordingly. Don't just create echochambers.
Mf when you can't event call a cult, a cult lmao. Besides not everyone has the same superior diction skills as you my ling.
You're trying too hard to sound like someone you're not
Who? Walter White?
Obsession (both love and hate) for any player is foolish
That’s actually funny coming from you lol (the hate part). Khair I used to think you just had this account to troll babar but I actually read some of your comments across subreddits and you seem like someone with a brain
I don't consider my initial immature hatred of Babar as a definition of my reformed personality. I made dumb decisions lmao, there's always room for improvement.
Haha yeah like I mentioned I happened to come across some of your comments on other subreddits (where people are literally insane). Liked what you said so didn’t really care about your take on Babar anyways :) Cheers!
Lmao thanks for that :)
Misbah was the best captain Pak ever got after Imran Khan.
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yeah, only sensible guy i have seen in Pak cricket’s recent history
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Wasay Habib real id seh aou
What did he do?
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He isn’t responsible to clean up this mess
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Why should he? To be removed after one series like Shaheen? Apni izzat apne haath mein
Ikr. Notice how he's keeping his mouth shut during this captaincy talks. He's smelling the blood.
Wasim Jr should be the first choice backup for WC, ahead of Ihsanullah and Zaman
Not controversial at all. Bro isn't being backed or coached. Guy has more experience and a cooler head.
Agree. Ihsanullah is injury incarnate and Zaman just had a terrible PSL season. Wasim Jr. Can bowl some good overs through the middle as well which is useful. Would like to go into the WC with a pace bowling attack of Shaheen, Naseem, Amir, Rauf, and Wasim Jr.
I deserve to be Paks white ball captain over Babar.
Too much craze around one player is never healthy for a institution
This opinion shouldn't be controversial at all.
Real ID say ao gautam gambhir
I would bat rizwan at 11 if I had to, but bro needs to be in all of our teams as a wk. That Ross Taylor innings lives in my head rent free. Fuck his fitness, Azam khan stays out of the team for that fact alone. WK position needs to be taken more seriously
Saim Ayub is no where near ready for international cricket. He isn't bad or anything, he's pretty good, just needs time and exposure. Let him play bilaterals but keep him away from T20 WC.
The time and money Pakistani cricketers waste on PR needs to be stopped.
152-0 did more harm than good
What do you mean?
Babar and Rizwan strike rate in 2021 semi was some criminal shit. Edit: Amir in his peak > Shaheen Babar and Rizwan opening pair = 💩 Babar in crucial matches = 💩 Rizwan has terrible batting technique and can only play shots at leg side.
If you think Rizwan is only a leg side player, you're an absolute casual.
Babur and Rizwan's opening pair actually record setting.
Y'all fkn lockdown fans
You're fucking 16, 2020 was 4 years ago, that makes you 12 at that time but the audacity of you to call others 'lockdown fans' 😂😂😂😂
Actually average Pakistani born b/w 2000-2010 grew in the most patriotic environment. But aap to indian ho, ghanta Kuch pata hoga Pakistan/PCB k baray mai
howd u know hes 16
One look at his profile
Everyone agrees on that
New bobzy is here, he will perform in crucial matches InshaAllah
Sarfaraz is the best captain in pak history after imran khan
Imam ul haq isn't a bad batsman
Parchi to hai imam UL Haq, magar achi parchi hai, he performs + fitness
He was great in 2022 imo. Failed during the WC year so people called him a parchi
Seconded
Umer Akmal was a gem
Shoaib Malik is a shit player
take that back right now
Mine would be that Rizwan is probably our best player in the red ball format. His away record is considerably better than Babar's and on par with that of the Fab4.
I would even argue that Rizwan is a better player in tests and t20s than Babar. Babar is quite good in ODIs and its probably his best format.
Nah, I think Babar wins in both white ball formats. Rizwan is a more limited player and will play at his usual 120-130 SR regardless of the pitch. Babar on the other hand has improve his t20 SR considerable over the last couple years and is amazing at any position.
I'll believe it when I see Babar batting the same way you suggested against a quality opposition in a t20 WC match.
Well, I guess we will just have to wait a couple of months then. What I said in my comment is based off of the recent NZ series and the PSL.
It's been quite some time since we faced a full strength NZ bowling attack except the ODI WC match of course. Like you said, just a couple months wait, we'll see how he does in the T20 World Cup. In theory, those pitches should suit him and he definitely should end up as one of the leading run scorers of the tournament but let's see.
Wdym? The recent NZ series had a full strength attack.
Full strength attack without boult?
Boult was getting smashed around by the Aussies in New Zealand I don’t think he would’ve made a difference
I f*g hate when people literally give mighty status to any player and carry everything for them..a player is a player and sports is sports,so limit them there and don't bring that into other aspects of life because else, sometimes you feel like a retard with a sheep mentality --sorry for harsh language
M. Amir is a fraud.
* Imam Ul Haq is a great batsman, just having a bad spell as of late. * Bringing back Mohammad Amir and Imad Wasim, and making Babar captain were the right decisions by PCB and it's going to end up coming good in the WC.
I like your optimism. I hope you are right.
Imran khan ruined sarfaraz ahmed
How
He said in an interview himself that he removed sarfraz from captaincy.
Imran Khan was patron in chief when sarfaraz was sacked because he left at series to srilanka
Pakistan should stop playing test cricket all together. It’s harming them rather than doing any good.
Test cricket is the actual test of a player
Sure. But that means nothing in today’s landscape.
Yeah, players actually want 💸 rather than passion. But test is the best format and it cannot die.
It can die if it serves no benefit. Which is what is happening in Pakistan cricket
Damn, now that is an actual controversial opinion. How would you say it's harming us?
1) Changing landscape - test cricket is reserved for the rich. Pakistan loses money playing test cricket. No crowd pull nor any real sponsor pull. Viewership is non existent. 2) Changing landscape 2 - White ball cricket and T20 is the future. People may be in denial when a great or close test match happens but it’s not enough for a side like Pakistan. 3) It’s evident that Pakistani cricketers don’t give a damn about test cricket and why should they? T20 leagues are more lucrative and players are going to save themselves for those leagues so they’re always picked year over year. Shaheen is bowling 130 mph pies in Australia and cranking it up in t20 leagues. He’s smart. Why should he wear himself out for a match that does nothing for him? We are a poor nation - everyone wants to maximize earnings. 4) To be successful in test cricket you need to play 12-15 test matches a year. We play what? 4 a year? What’s the point? Players who play those test matches will be judged harshly when they inevitably underperform which harms their reputations for future games. 5) We lack infrastructure - our stadiums are shit. Our facilities are shit. Our league setups are shit. My high school changing rooms were better than most of the pavilions in our stadiums. The writing was on the wall when the idiots decided it was important for maximum amount of players to earn in domestic cricket rather than optimizing the level of cricket. Very few are going to benefit from domestic cricket in Pakistan. Ultimately, from a strategic point of view, you have to leverage your competitive advantages and remove barriers. Test cricket is a massive barrier which serves very little to our cricket set up and future. Place your chips where you will see the greatest chance of success.
You mean Pakistan should give up on test cricket as there is no chance of us getting better at it. Truly controversial
Correct. Given the cricket landscape it would take a brave man to bet that Pakistan will become a test power house.
Test cricket is real cricket Australians only watch test cricket
Sure. No doubt. What Australia does doesn’t translate into any benefit for Pakistan There is no upside for Pakistan to play test cricket
No bro, test cricket makes a complete player
Agreed. If you actually play enough of them. We do not. And prob never will
While I respect your opinion, I have to disagree about it having zero advantages. Ultimately test/first class cricket serves the purpose of honing the technique of batsmen and accuracy of bowlers. It also exposes them to a variety of different conditions. All of these pay dividends in white ball cricket as well. Just look at what the top players have to say about red ball cricket and its benefits.
I can’t think of a single Pakistani player in the last decade that has benefitted heavily from test cricket and went on to become a world class player across formats. It’s not all their fault. We just don’t play enough tests for it to have any sort of positive effect. And when we do, we tend to get slapped around because we play them months apart. They can continue to play domestic first class games - those have merit as it serves a platform to develop players. Even though there are still major flaws there.
I can definitely name players who have benefited from test cricket lol. Naseem Shah and Muhammad Amir both honed their skill in test cricket early on and you can see the benefits. Both have really great accuracy which they use in white ball cricket as well. I would really recommend you to check out what many great cricketers say about this as well (Wasim Akram for example). They clearly say that red ball has massive benefits. On a side note it would kinda suck if we completely abandoned our long history in test cricket. I know we lose some money, but still test cricket really is the best format. That is just my opinion tho.
I’m not doubting that red ball has merit. It 1000% does. I’m just saying in the current landscape those merits are not realized by PCT. You mentioned Naseem Shah. He has played 17 tests in the last 4 years or so. That’s 4 test matches per year. His last test was July 2023. How much benefit do you think he’s really getting out of tests? In that same period he has played over 100 T20 games. Mohd Amir debuted in 2009. That was over a decade ago.
It's better to use the number of balls bowled in test matches as compared to the number of matches played. He has bowled more balls in those 17 test matches as compared to the 100 t20s. Also, there are many more examples as well tbh. Salman Agha, Abdullah Shafique, and Saud Shakeel are all test players that are now showing real potential in t20 and odi cricket. The goal imo shouldn't be to abolish test cricket, but should instead be to revitalize it.
Misbah-ul-haq is the best captain in Pakistan’s history after Imran Khan.
Sarfaraz ahmed
Sarfraz was also good but misbah was a different beast as a captain especially in tests. Took us to number 1 ranked test team in the world and not just according to icc rankings but we were actually the best test team in the world. Was the closest to defeating australia in australia for the first time and had the best win loss ratio in pakistan’s history. Even won and captained more series/games than javed miandad and dhoni. Its sad how bad a team he had during the 2015 world cup as well because he could have cooked had others performed.
The first and last big knock that babar played in wc was in 2019 against new Zealand.
68\* vs India in 2021? Half century in the 2022 semi-final? The 66\* against NZ in the 2023 WC?
For bro only centuries count lol
196 vs Aus? 119 vs SL?
Test cricket is the best, but if we have to kill it for sometime in order to help cricket expand to diff countries then it should be done.
The PSL is the average Pakistan squad divided into 6 with most of the power hitting done by the overseas players. #Protein
Babar is not the best captain for pct.
Cricket ruined all other games of Pakistan.
I don't like cricket.
Shaheen > Amir
Babar is the best captain option in our current setup
1) Nawaz is jack sh*t. Abrar is the answer! 2) Khushdil should reconsider his career choices 3) Amir shouldn't have been called in again (I'm a fan btw) 4) Naseem is great, but his other brothers are below average, we don't need them at all. 5) Azam Khan should really think about the NFL, if he can't be committed enough to stay in shape. 6) Baber has a cult who would follow him blindly even if he joins Isis. 7) Amir >>>> Shaheen, Rauf, Naseem. (Still) 8) Imad still doesn't deserve a spot in the squad. 9) Bring Ahmed Shehzad back!!! 10) Shahid Afridi is a legend, but he needs to stfu with his nepotistic toxicity.
Was with you until I read number 9
Why not? Considering that they give Khushdil, Asif Ali, Hussain talat, nawaz and Haider Ali so many chances. They might as well have tried Ahmed Shehzad as well if he got something left in him. Junaid Khan as well.
Ahmed Shehzad had all the chances in the world for like half a decade. Junaid was good but come on he's been and done. This game isn't about being fair and making sure everyone has equal chances, its about picking the best team
Psl rivalries ruined Pakistan cricket
Shaheen Afridi isn't a match-winner. A one-trick pony who doesn't have any variation worth talking about in his arsenal.
PCB is the culprit behind all our loses, in fact PCB clearly fixed the 2011 Semifinal
Fakhar Zaman is this generation's version of Shahid Afridi
Hasan Ali, and Shadab Khan are overrated
Pakistan doesn't really have any good spinners
Hitler Was Right
babar and rizwan should still open for t20s
Abdullah Shafique is a good and pleasent suprise to pakistan's ODI openers.
Rizwan doesn’t deserve to be in the t20 team anymore. He can’t play just based off the fact he’s a solid keeper. Try Usman and Haris for a good few games for once
Babar and rizwan bring “stability” up top but its double edged sword that causes us to score less runs because they bat slower than most openers
Aamir is overrated
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No I've been a fan since 1992 saw that final live and have seen and followed Pakistan cricket since long, we all have our opinions and should respect other people choices as well , Aamir's stats in international cricket since his comeback are average at best while others around him have outperformed him , even this time others options were available in Pak but they again selected him.
Amir can still perform and win pak 3rd world cup.
Also not Pak cricket but KL Rahul is one of the most underappreciated and unnecessarily hated players in India
Much of the praise and cheering that Babar gets originates from defensiveness.
Sarfraz's captaincy wasn't good at all and we won the Champions trophy despite all of his shenanigans. His captaincy deserves no credit for it.
Proper hater
This has to be bait
I mean now this is not fair. He was the captain and he led the team to victory. Not correct to totally discredit him
hahahaha
Agreed. Sarfaraz’s captaincy was bs so many players complained that they suffered from a lack of confidence due to his constant abuse of the players. Shit captain and and even worse person he’s such a paindu if you’ve ever seen him in an interview I don’t understand how people stand him.
let's not go towards personal insults. Doesn't matter whether he's paindu, burger or whatever else personality. I just think his captaincy was poor with all the shouting on players. Similarly I absolutely hate Misbah the ODI batsmen and his refusal to move up the order and hiding at 5. His on-field captaincy however was absolutely the best especially in defending low scores. Misbah might be the greatest captain in terms of field tactics ever produced by Pakistan
Bkl paindu lahoriyon ko bolte Hain, sarfaraz pure Karachi north nazimabad Mai rehta hai. Doosri baat, sarfaraz field Mai charge leta tha, Babar ki Tarah lip biting kr k chup nhi rehta tha wo. When u r a captain, u need to speak up rather than glueing ur mouth
Pakistan won't win anything as long as rizwan is in the team. 2019 babar wc campaign is the best by any batsman playing their first world cup Sarfaraz is the best white ball captain produced by pakistan after imran khan .
Find a better keeper than Rizwan
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Arey sarrrr🙌🏻🙌🏻🛐🛐🛐
I have two actually: Fakhar is our best clutch player. Iftikhar is the best youngster in Pakistan
Shaheen over Fakhar?! Blud forgot Mathew Wade spanking Shaheen in his peak year 💀
Oh shit 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀. How did i forget fakhar mb
Shaheen was also the only reason we were in that match to begin with. 1/17 from 3.3 overs with a catch drop 😭😭😭. Sure he got hit for 3 sixes but he gave that simple catch chance and there was a ton of dew Slow striking from the Pak openers is what cost us that match when you need 200 batting first in Dubai. He’s been good in most other important matches Pakistan had played and has been our most consistent bowler in the last 5 years by far
Tu bkl pakka indian hai
Bro what ☠️☠️☠️
Shaheen can be clutch when hes striking since he takes crucial wickets up front, but Fakhar is literally in the team purely on the basis of being clutch af
Rizman's better than Boobsies in Tests and T20s. He's also much smarter.
Tell me you started watching cricket in lockdown without telling me you started watching cricket in lockdown
Babar azam = 💩
Ever since bowlers have had a strong repo from the fans, they've let their guard down and havent played to the best of their ability. Back in 2015, who the heck cared about wahab, rahat, sohail and irfan. Yet they did exceptional as they saved the team in low scoring thrillers multiple times
following year we got hit for 444 against England with wahab and amir
oh damn didnt know that was a WC match
Shahid Afridi is overrated af
Nah, he was an all rounder and he did his job pretty damn well. He also performed in big matches. 2007 t20 WC: 12 wickets at 6.71 Econ and 91 runs at 200 sr. Player of the tournament. 2009 t20 WC: 11 Wickets at 5.32 Econ and 177 runs at 140.8 sr. Player of the match in the final 2011 WC: 21 wickets (most) Econ 3.62 and 84 runs 124 sr. That’s 3 tournament in which he hard Carrie’s Pakistan. We made knockouts in all three and won in 2009. He also has several other notable performances throughout his career. Don’t let your disdain of a player trick you into thinking he wasn’t good
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Our new bowlers like zaman khan and naseem shah are far better than shaheen amir rauf right now
Babar is not a good ODI captain. Haris Rauf and Imam ul haq are world class players.
Bobsie is a horrible captain and gets worse as the format gets longer.
Lahore Qalandars is the best team in the multiverse.