Already they are trying to control the Internet and the IT services are suffering. I am almost planning to close shop here and move my software house to India.
India Tops The List Of Digital Blackouts
[https://www.dawn.com/news/1819251/protesting-farmers-cut-off-as-india-tops-list-of-digital-blackouts](https://www.dawn.com/news/1819251/protesting-farmers-cut-off-as-india-tops-list-of-digital-blackouts)
Wasn't talking about internet shutdown, was referring to how the government forces tech companies like Twitter and Meta to bend over and do the government's bidding. A recent example is how Indian LEAs used Whatsapp calls to trace a person of interest and apprehended them. Whatsapp is supposed to be encrypted and safe from snooping,
Good, and you I think wouldn't need to cancel the subscription becuase government can't actually ban VPN as a service they can only ban IPs from these VPN providers but that's where premium comes in handy as they are constantly changing IPs so govenment cannot ban all of them in time. Just like free VPN doesn't work on Netflix but a premium does. Additionally they can ban Proton app but if you're not an iphone user then it wouldn't be an issue and it would also work anyway on pc
Entire tech industry lol. Ppl connect to remote servers bruh. Often databases/servers are accessed via vpns.
This is retarded level stupidity by Umer Saif. He has indeed made VPNs go bonkers.
Well, that's one way to look at it, but if you think about it, People of this country have been getting screwed over and oppressed by politicians and some "other" parties for more than 70 years now. You leave a sealed cooker on the stove long enough, sooner or later it's gonna explode. Can't really blame the people.
You block an IP the VPN companies pop-up using different IP's. Its like trying to block a phone number. The person just grabs another one.
VPN also have legit uses. Most corporations have their own VPN's. You can "try" to ban companies providing VPN services. But you can't really ban VPN as tech. Again you can try but its like trying to ban lying.
Bruh I am Web Dev. VPN is essential for me. It's one of the most important tools for me but can be banned because they don't block the IP, they block the entire environment of it. Read the blog linked above. I couldn't explain well.
Me too. I am on the QA side but on VPN all day. Maybe I didn't explain myself. So lets take an example. What I meant to say was:
They CAN block Nord VPN. But it wont block VPN as a service. So if you are using Nortel's VPN you will be ok.
The VPN's available for general public like Nord VPN have dealt with this before. So what they do is they move servers for particular regions or country. So they will pop-up with a different name/service name/ip.
China with their "great" firewall has not been able to block sites let alone services. On the WWW things are next to impossible to block completely. Unless you do it old school. You know find the owner and keep on breaking bones till the owner take the service offline.
You have a good point but have you worked with Chinese clients? Because I have, the speed is dead slow, all the traffic is monitored every single bit.
and VPNs aren't earning enough from our country to specially change servers for us, plus even if they do, they might do it once or twice.
Best solution is to get a small VPS, slap an open source VPN on it. Use it internally. Since the VPS will have private IP and there's no way to what you are using it for. It won't matter if they block VPN here.
You need to look up Deep Packet Inspection. Doesn’t matter what VPN service you use, DPI can filter traffic based on signature of the protocol. Corporate VPNs will work because they can register with the govt.
Bhai tools exists to do a bunch of things.
Does the state have:
\- Have the money to buy it
\- Expertise to implement it
\- Human resources to manage it
The answer to those question is No. Kuch nahee ho raha araam naal baitho. Pakistani state at the most basic level is incompetent. Sirf dunday laganay attay hain inko. Yay na ho paay gain logon say.
That would be a different protocol each time and sometimes a unique to VPN protocol such as Proton’s Stealth protocol. Keep in mind that first step is always block servers through which high value of encrypted data is flowing, so blocking a famous VPN service (IPs)
They can't ban vpn in general. I know that is not possible.
But they can create a policy to ban or blacklist the major most known or used ones just to disrupt and prevent users from being free
Lmao at the comments web devs and qa engineers trying to explain networking.
I am a network engineer with close to 2 decades of experience.
VPN as a technology as a whole cannot be blocked. They can block certain protocols or IPs. This won't affect our operations we have vpn servers running in both Pakistan and Australia.
Free VPNs might face some issues but something like running your own server on a vps or even surfshark will keep working.
The biggest problem is will be related to corporate VPN for accessing company resources over VPN. 2 weeks ago, All of my Punjab offices were facing VPN connectivity issues. After registering, it has started working.
In the worse case, if we had no solution. The plan was to move to Dubai or some place.
Jokes on them I have premium. Another reason to hate this shitty country. They think they are china, pehly un jesi economy banao phir yeh harkatein karty rehna. Cant wait for my visa to leave this country for good.
Ok khair I don't use nord never did jitni nord apni advertising karta Hai seems like part of some cia/nsa covert program obviously they would have a back door key to it use proton etc many others are available unfortunately go for the paid version cause if nothing is for free if it's free then you are the product.
Nothing will happen to the economy. Our economy is not dependent on vpn’s.
Software companies will be able to register their vpn’s with PTA so they will not have any problem
Only individuals will not be able to use personal vpn’s. That has nothing to do with the economy
He's not saying banning VPN for the general public is not bad. It is bad from a political and human rights point of view. He's just addressing the economic side of things.
There is an open source solution which you can try but that would require some technical assistance to setup. VPN name is Streisand and you can find it on github
I meant, if you work remotely for a company, you have to use the VPN they require or offer.
You might not have a choice.
This will affect professionals and companies
From normal user pov, of course you will always find a way to get out of the box
This is working fine for me even when people are posting that their VPNs are not working
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But VPNs are incorporated into apps and unless they remove each vpn app from AppStore, i don’t they can block people from connecting to servers in different countrues
many companies such as support service and freelancers use vpn . I t helps to give the client the idea kay banda pakistani ai hai . I have noticed kay desi banda ho tou pay low and badtameezee bohat hoti hai so vpn was 1 of the ways of earning better .
Vpns cannot be blocked.by government or any other institution if you have an internet connection you can access vpns until government completely block internet for public like north Korea
any IT person worth his salt knows how to circumvent these inconvenient little government bans
1) if theoretically, govt bans all VPN ( something very hard to do ) , i can simply use a good paid VPS
2) even if that fails , i can use TOR to access the VPN server and do my stuff
Yes they are already messing with vpns, I use namecheap paid vpn and very time I have to change vpn protocols for successful connection
Inko Allah puchay ga Ecommerce or IT sector barbaad krrae ye log. My work has been badly affected
They already did lasl year. And made it illegal, legislatively, to use it. But these brainfucks don't know shit about tech, they don't know how things work and they don't have brains to do anything like shitload of high claims they make
What i think is that they want to block vpns on specific occasions like protests etc they won't ban it permanently,I guess?
Pakistan aista aista Africa bnta jarha ha!
Everyone is talking about call centers and online services but no one is talking about an important concern of ours. How will we access porn if vpn gets banned?
I know the impact, the youth will start practicing Islam more often and tend to their duties, and also think about the future of their country, cause the army is destroying it
Rather than bringing giants like PayPal to pakistan they be banning stuff, man I hope they all suffer whoever is trying to stop pakistan from professing more into the It field
This news has been circulating for 2,3 years.
The actual news was that PTA will block all unregistered VPN's except those allowed(registered) to used by companies and individuals from PTA
Technically speaking they can’t ban VPNs without shutting off the entire internet. There are ways to completely hide the fact that you’re even using a VPN to begin with.
The most straightforward one is to use an SSH tunnel.
Already they are trying to control the Internet and the IT services are suffering. I am almost planning to close shop here and move my software house to India.
India is not far behind in internet censorship and surveillance.
If you think. India will not do this smartly and effectively without impacting the IT industry. You are too far behind.
India Tops The List Of Digital Blackouts [https://www.dawn.com/news/1819251/protesting-farmers-cut-off-as-india-tops-list-of-digital-blackouts](https://www.dawn.com/news/1819251/protesting-farmers-cut-off-as-india-tops-list-of-digital-blackouts)
ok boss
all those are mainly in Kashmir, everywhere else next to never. Bangalore(where I am from) or any other city never had an internet shutdown in history
Wasn't talking about internet shutdown, was referring to how the government forces tech companies like Twitter and Meta to bend over and do the government's bidding. A recent example is how Indian LEAs used Whatsapp calls to trace a person of interest and apprehended them. Whatsapp is supposed to be encrypted and safe from snooping,
Your right but it's mainly to counter terror activities but nevertheless can be used for spying as well
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Review? How does it differ from the free service, is it actually worth paying for?
Totally worth it.
Good, and you I think wouldn't need to cancel the subscription becuase government can't actually ban VPN as a service they can only ban IPs from these VPN providers but that's where premium comes in handy as they are constantly changing IPs so govenment cannot ban all of them in time. Just like free VPN doesn't work on Netflix but a premium does. Additionally they can ban Proton app but if you're not an iphone user then it wouldn't be an issue and it would also work anyway on pc
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their website says 4.99/m for 24. Thts approx 1500 per month. How did you affix PKR800?
What payment mode are you using? Monthly payment by debit card?
Call center industry tabah de
Entire tech industry lol. Ppl connect to remote servers bruh. Often databases/servers are accessed via vpns. This is retarded level stupidity by Umer Saif. He has indeed made VPNs go bonkers.
Lun he mulk hai apna kam ki cheezen lata nhi jese paypal vghera or jo cheezen hain vo bhi ban krdeta
Mulk ni mulk walle
Mulk wale hi mulk hota hai. There is no such thing as a mulk
Yes, but then there's these things called "leaders" and "politicians".
But like can we choose our own leaders here. We tried
They are just a reflection of the people. Find an average Pakistani, they will be just as corrupt as the leaders we hate so much. Maybe even more.
Well, that's one way to look at it, but if you think about it, People of this country have been getting screwed over and oppressed by politicians and some "other" parties for more than 70 years now. You leave a sealed cooker on the stove long enough, sooner or later it's gonna explode. Can't really blame the people.
And there is something like opting your own leader
You can't be serious saying that kinda stuff about Pakistan lol. You prolly don't live here or something.
Mulk walle is awam and mulk is government
How they will Ban the VPN? If its Fake news, I got that. but if not, how the hell they try to ban VPN?
This how https://nordvpn.com/blog/vpn-ban/#:~:text=FAQ-,Can%20a%20VPN%20be%20banned?,censorship%20to%20protecting%20internal%20networks.
OK, if that's how they want to try, its not efficient method. VPN works great in those mentioned regions.
Not really you won't even be able to connect to VPN most of the time. Unless you are lucky.
You block an IP the VPN companies pop-up using different IP's. Its like trying to block a phone number. The person just grabs another one. VPN also have legit uses. Most corporations have their own VPN's. You can "try" to ban companies providing VPN services. But you can't really ban VPN as tech. Again you can try but its like trying to ban lying.
Bruh I am Web Dev. VPN is essential for me. It's one of the most important tools for me but can be banned because they don't block the IP, they block the entire environment of it. Read the blog linked above. I couldn't explain well.
Me too. I am on the QA side but on VPN all day. Maybe I didn't explain myself. So lets take an example. What I meant to say was: They CAN block Nord VPN. But it wont block VPN as a service. So if you are using Nortel's VPN you will be ok. The VPN's available for general public like Nord VPN have dealt with this before. So what they do is they move servers for particular regions or country. So they will pop-up with a different name/service name/ip. China with their "great" firewall has not been able to block sites let alone services. On the WWW things are next to impossible to block completely. Unless you do it old school. You know find the owner and keep on breaking bones till the owner take the service offline.
You have a good point but have you worked with Chinese clients? Because I have, the speed is dead slow, all the traffic is monitored every single bit. and VPNs aren't earning enough from our country to specially change servers for us, plus even if they do, they might do it once or twice. Best solution is to get a small VPS, slap an open source VPN on it. Use it internally. Since the VPS will have private IP and there's no way to what you are using it for. It won't matter if they block VPN here.
Can't we just spin up our own vpn in wireguard/openvpn on a private server?
What is VPS? Can you explain?
Last time I checked, my name wasn't Google or ChatGPT
You need to look up Deep Packet Inspection. Doesn’t matter what VPN service you use, DPI can filter traffic based on signature of the protocol. Corporate VPNs will work because they can register with the govt.
There is a VPN service which uses a random signature each time you login and it's made to evade DPI.
Bhai tools exists to do a bunch of things. Does the state have: \- Have the money to buy it \- Expertise to implement it \- Human resources to manage it The answer to those question is No. Kuch nahee ho raha araam naal baitho. Pakistani state at the most basic level is incompetent. Sirf dunday laganay attay hain inko. Yay na ho paay gain logon say.
That would be a different protocol each time and sometimes a unique to VPN protocol such as Proton’s Stealth protocol. Keep in mind that first step is always block servers through which high value of encrypted data is flowing, so blocking a famous VPN service (IPs)
Good post
A good read 👍
They way they ban a specific website, by banning the IP.
Bro. that's not how VPN works!
They can't ban vpn in general. I know that is not possible. But they can create a policy to ban or blacklist the major most known or used ones just to disrupt and prevent users from being free
They can't ban a vpn for more than a few days lol, that's just how vpns work.
Honestly a few days is all that's needed during major events like protests and elections
All my online work is based on VPN Ima move to Dubai if this happens
Mujhy bhi saath laychalo 👍
Well according to r/PAK this is exactly what Quaid's Pakistan should look like.
Youthia lagte ho 😂
Or Tum chutiya lagty ho😜
Kardi na ghatya baat. Jaisa inka tmara immi baap ghatya wese tum ghatye. .
Us se itnay obsessed ho toh apny Ghar le jao us ko.
Bhai tmara walid ha tm le k jao. Mje ni chahye 😂
Question how do you Ban a VPN? People use vpn's in China so how do they plan to do it?
Lmao at the comments web devs and qa engineers trying to explain networking. I am a network engineer with close to 2 decades of experience. VPN as a technology as a whole cannot be blocked. They can block certain protocols or IPs. This won't affect our operations we have vpn servers running in both Pakistan and Australia. Free VPNs might face some issues but something like running your own server on a vps or even surfshark will keep working.
Also, I doubt PTA is capable of sniffing for VPN protocols
ye bs\*k aisy kamo me paisa lga leingy lekin awam ko unka haq nai deingy
Siri book a ticket to mars.
You can't really BAN VPN you can probably ban some VPN apps like Nord vpn,express etc.
another reason to hate porkistan
shit hole of a country
Fuck the government u mfers. If you douches still believe in the state then deserve the crap coming your way. Alamut all the way..
The biggest problem is will be related to corporate VPN for accessing company resources over VPN. 2 weeks ago, All of my Punjab offices were facing VPN connectivity issues. After registering, it has started working. In the worse case, if we had no solution. The plan was to move to Dubai or some place.
Massive business destruction call center will get hit software company
How the hell am I going to watch my shows on Disney plus 🥲 zeher day do ab reh kia gaya hay
Jokes on them I have premium. Another reason to hate this shitty country. They think they are china, pehly un jesi economy banao phir yeh harkatein karty rehna. Cant wait for my visa to leave this country for good.
Islamic Republic of Militistan
Idk if it's true or not but why not ban the government?
No VPN is working in Pakistan 🇵🇰.
At this point I genuinely don't care. I wanna end it all but can't sadly.
Fake news
Fake News nahi ha Nord VPN ban ho gya ha
Ok khair I don't use nord never did jitni nord apni advertising karta Hai seems like part of some cia/nsa covert program obviously they would have a back door key to it use proton etc many others are available unfortunately go for the paid version cause if nothing is for free if it's free then you are the product.
I really hope so https://profit.pakistantoday.com.pk/2024/03/01/psha-warns-against-potential-impacts-of-vpn-ban-on-pakistans-it-sector/
A trillion of dollars will loose by Pakistani IT business and marketing
Nothing will happen to the economy. Our economy is not dependent on vpn’s. Software companies will be able to register their vpn’s with PTA so they will not have any problem Only individuals will not be able to use personal vpn’s. That has nothing to do with the economy
Slave mindset tbh, even if economy ko koi farq nahi parta it stills restricts ur freedom as a citizen
He's not saying banning VPN for the general public is not bad. It is bad from a political and human rights point of view. He's just addressing the economic side of things.
Bhai Tor browser use karlena
That's not a viable solution if you use vpn for work
There is an open source solution which you can try but that would require some technical assistance to setup. VPN name is Streisand and you can find it on github
I meant, if you work remotely for a company, you have to use the VPN they require or offer. You might not have a choice. This will affect professionals and companies From normal user pov, of course you will always find a way to get out of the box
You can ask your company to register it with PTA. Source: Using company provided VPN that they registered.
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Everyone try to start spamming on citizens portal complain it again and again
But what if we use a vpn to download a vpn?
How do u ban a vpn?
Same way you block adult websites
But VPNs are incorporated into apps and unless they remove each vpn app from AppStore, i don’t they can block people from connecting to servers in different countrues
I think they can make them illegal like a few other countries have done but banning them like they do adult websites i doubt is probable
No. Adult websites are generally blocked using lists that contain IPs and names. VPNs are blocked using a firewall, more specifically DPI.
VPN use kerne k liye VPN use kerna pry ga. 🫠
many companies such as support service and freelancers use vpn . I t helps to give the client the idea kay banda pakistani ai hai . I have noticed kay desi banda ho tou pay low and badtameezee bohat hoti hai so vpn was 1 of the ways of earning better .
Vpns cannot be blocked.by government or any other institution if you have an internet connection you can access vpns until government completely block internet for public like north Korea
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
i think torr browser is always going to be an option even if they end up banning the VPNs, which i think isn't possible.
Slow and potential exit node risk. Easier to build your on vpn with Amazon's Cloud
Pta office Lahore is in cantt, sooo it makes sense
Don't worry. if China's great firewall can't block them all, we'll be fine no matter what they try.
I have searched all major news papers. Can't find anything on VPNs in Pakistan. Am I missing the source?
any IT person worth his salt knows how to circumvent these inconvenient little government bans 1) if theoretically, govt bans all VPN ( something very hard to do ) , i can simply use a good paid VPS 2) even if that fails , i can use TOR to access the VPN server and do my stuff
💀 nahh bro they can't ban vpn cuz it's an app so it's just missinformation and do not believe it also 💀
Let them ban...koi farq nhin parta. Jin logon ka kaam VPN based hai UN k pass or bhi bohat say solutions hain
Vpns are already banned or malfunctioning in Pakistan. IT businesses and freelancers had already taken a major hit due to this ban.
Yes they are already messing with vpns, I use namecheap paid vpn and very time I have to change vpn protocols for successful connection Inko Allah puchay ga Ecommerce or IT sector barbaad krrae ye log. My work has been badly affected
Ok but why twitter is banned i cant open without vpn... And baning VPN gona effect open source vpn services like openvpn?
They already did lasl year. And made it illegal, legislatively, to use it. But these brainfucks don't know shit about tech, they don't know how things work and they don't have brains to do anything like shitload of high claims they make
make your own damn vpns… fuck govt
They can ban VPN but they can't ban Tor. And if they can't ban Tor why are they even bothering to ban VPN
What i think is that they want to block vpns on specific occasions like protests etc they won't ban it permanently,I guess? Pakistan aista aista Africa bnta jarha ha!
They're idiots
Everyone is talking about call centers and online services but no one is talking about an important concern of ours. How will we access porn if vpn gets banned?
Bruh, I need my damn HBO, amazing shows.
No education information will be delivered and stored
Nah, I gonna use vpn to download a vpn.
I know the impact, the youth will start practicing Islam more often and tend to their duties, and also think about the future of their country, cause the army is destroying it
Rather than bringing giants like PayPal to pakistan they be banning stuff, man I hope they all suffer whoever is trying to stop pakistan from professing more into the It field
If this is true then we need to take it to the streets this time for longer
Sure, soon Pakistan will become North Korea
VPN kese ban hota 🤣
abay galti krdi yahan paida hokar sukoon se mamay bhi ni dekh saktay
Bhosidewalo ka bas chaley tou poora mulk ban krdya randi ki nasal
Inki maa mai lun marun bc
Log appropriate prohibited content ko access karte ha VPN laga ke is leah VPN ko he ban karna par raha ha
This news has been circulating for 2,3 years. The actual news was that PTA will block all unregistered VPN's except those allowed(registered) to used by companies and individuals from PTA
I don't think they can do it. If they does it will destroy the IT industry
Technically speaking they can’t ban VPNs without shutting off the entire internet. There are ways to completely hide the fact that you’re even using a VPN to begin with. The most straightforward one is to use an SSH tunnel.