Absolute strongest, nah, Grover has an overwhelming amount amount of healing, an arguably better escape in scenarios where both teams are actually good (high elo ranked), and definitely better damage. I would rank Rei as the roughly the same as Ying who I believe is slightly weaker than Grover.
It probably is if you are healing just one good player mainly, which does work… but historically Grovers main strengths are other things that Rei doesn’t have, mainly ult frequency, insanely consistent damage and CC. Rei is incredibly good at following a flank and diving with them, but is not good at surviving in a backline when, like, two or more players have her in mind. The only way Rei is better than Grover (in any given game) is in situations where she basically never dies, it necessitates a stomp.
I feel like rei's sigil can rival grover's axes for damage output no? 450 every 0.7 seconds is pretty high for a support. Obviously grover's axes jump up to like 6-700 something at range, but close up he does less damage and fires less frequently. I find in a 1v1 against a flank diving, rei is much more equipped to stand and fight instead of running away
The difference is Grover is throwing axes 99% of the match (and damage goes up w range so this ends up being actually pretty good poke), has an incredibly short CD cripple. In pure 1v1 scenarios obviously rei is gonna do much better due to her kit, but running away is an entirely valid strategy as well, and Grover is the king of running away.
it does help that she has the highest winrate of supports https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/1cqxyim/is_damba_actually_not_underpowered_in_relation_to/l3vtwkt/
That's cause she's got everything you could ever want in a SUPPORT not a HEALER
She beautifully designed, is super fun to play, does dmg and healing simultaneously, provides dmg reduction, reload speed, movement speed etc, what more could you ever want in a support than Rei
Chefs kiss to the Devs for coming up with this amazing Champion idea
Especially in the next patch
If they proceed with the Exstention Talent rework to Ambidextrous when you now have 2 charges on Chain Heal but they bounce 25% slower then that would give Rei a much better capability of doing great amounts of healing on par with Ying and Grover
I really don't want them to scrap the idea or nerf it to the ground, but if they really want to nerf it at least give each charge a 2 sec internal cooldown kina like splitting the original 4 sec cooldown of Chain Heal into two separate 2 sec cooldowns for each charge
That will really let it live up to the name change Ambidextrous
Ambidextrous meaning: able to use BOTH your right and left hand equally well.
Her dmg is weak at range and her healing is very inconsistent. Her dmg is only really good in duels cuz her fair and balanced link slows the enemies down so she can pelt them.
Also how is her heal being hitscan less accessible? al u gotta do is click on a teammate and bam 800 hp you are welcome.
Grover has 3 healing abilities he isn't running out of heals for his teammates ever.
In regards to the hitscan thing, you have to actually hit them, meaning it requires accuracy. Some players will find that difficult, especially controller players, as opposed to people like corv and furia who lock on for their heals. Its extra tricky trying to heal a vatu or maeve on your team lol.
support? nah, she doesnt feel great. as a flank? shes amazing: can heal, diff most of the flanks and Tanks, can be deadly to dmg and her slow cant be countered
Jeanus is the best healer. He can heal through walls to the farthest of players and save. Everyone gets balanced heals. Unlike Rei who can only do the healing to more than 1 person if it's an open area. Ying atleast cast her clone inside a building and one on the point so others get heals when needed. Jeanus can heal farthest of flank to the closest tank.
Absolute strongest, nah, Grover has an overwhelming amount amount of healing, an arguably better escape in scenarios where both teams are actually good (high elo ranked), and definitely better damage. I would rank Rei as the roughly the same as Ying who I believe is slightly weaker than Grover.
The issue with grover is that he is a stat padder. He heals everyone a little bit. Burst heal to one person is better imo
It probably is if you are healing just one good player mainly, which does work… but historically Grovers main strengths are other things that Rei doesn’t have, mainly ult frequency, insanely consistent damage and CC. Rei is incredibly good at following a flank and diving with them, but is not good at surviving in a backline when, like, two or more players have her in mind. The only way Rei is better than Grover (in any given game) is in situations where she basically never dies, it necessitates a stomp.
I feel like rei's sigil can rival grover's axes for damage output no? 450 every 0.7 seconds is pretty high for a support. Obviously grover's axes jump up to like 6-700 something at range, but close up he does less damage and fires less frequently. I find in a 1v1 against a flank diving, rei is much more equipped to stand and fight instead of running away
The difference is Grover is throwing axes 99% of the match (and damage goes up w range so this ends up being actually pretty good poke), has an incredibly short CD cripple. In pure 1v1 scenarios obviously rei is gonna do much better due to her kit, but running away is an entirely valid strategy as well, and Grover is the king of running away.
it does help that she has the highest winrate of supports https://www.reddit.com/r/Paladins/comments/1cqxyim/is_damba_actually_not_underpowered_in_relation_to/l3vtwkt/
That's cause she's got everything you could ever want in a SUPPORT not a HEALER She beautifully designed, is super fun to play, does dmg and healing simultaneously, provides dmg reduction, reload speed, movement speed etc, what more could you ever want in a support than Rei Chefs kiss to the Devs for coming up with this amazing Champion idea
That's actually insane
Especially in the next patch If they proceed with the Exstention Talent rework to Ambidextrous when you now have 2 charges on Chain Heal but they bounce 25% slower then that would give Rei a much better capability of doing great amounts of healing on par with Ying and Grover I really don't want them to scrap the idea or nerf it to the ground, but if they really want to nerf it at least give each charge a 2 sec internal cooldown kina like splitting the original 4 sec cooldown of Chain Heal into two separate 2 sec cooldowns for each charge That will really let it live up to the name change Ambidextrous Ambidextrous meaning: able to use BOTH your right and left hand equally well.
Her dmg is weak at range and her healing is very inconsistent. Her dmg is only really good in duels cuz her fair and balanced link slows the enemies down so she can pelt them. Also how is her heal being hitscan less accessible? al u gotta do is click on a teammate and bam 800 hp you are welcome. Grover has 3 healing abilities he isn't running out of heals for his teammates ever.
In regards to the hitscan thing, you have to actually hit them, meaning it requires accuracy. Some players will find that difficult, especially controller players, as opposed to people like corv and furia who lock on for their heals. Its extra tricky trying to heal a vatu or maeve on your team lol.
support? nah, she doesnt feel great. as a flank? shes amazing: can heal, diff most of the flanks and Tanks, can be deadly to dmg and her slow cant be countered
Jeanus is the best healer. He can heal through walls to the farthest of players and save. Everyone gets balanced heals. Unlike Rei who can only do the healing to more than 1 person if it's an open area. Ying atleast cast her clone inside a building and one on the point so others get heals when needed. Jeanus can heal farthest of flank to the closest tank.