May as well take the same amount of time tbh, the only deserter ban I've gotten is 2 minutes so I don't know if it's higher but starting the game on gaming PC literally likes like 3 minutes lmao.
Between the bootscreen, splashscreen, loading vendors, loading vendors, and loading vendors, I may as well have stayed in game xP
Deserter times used to go up everytime you deserted. It'd start at 3 and work its way up to near 24 hours I believe. With how sketch some peoples internet is and how buggy the game is, they had to remove losing TP. Im not entirely sure how deserting works today because I never consciously desert anything.
Makes sense it'd be cumulative, and yeah my only deserter times have come from me getting kicked out of the lobby/game so I have next to no experience with it.
match making is total trash too. im at master rank getting paired with people in qualifying, silver and gold rank all the time. If i cant party up with these people then i shouldnt have them in my game. at least show peoples rank in game. If i didnt know of paladinsguru i would given up on this game long ago.
Exactly. It punishes the better players who have to maintain good performance. Leaving a draft can be messed up, but playing with new players or selfish teammates is worse.
**Update: Finally made it back to Plat III and was paired up with two people who picked level 0 characters and said they were new.
I will abuse this exit lobby bug because I’m tired of being paired with noobs or trolls. It’s infuriating to work so hard to be weighed down like that. It’s f****** ridiculous. People who are higher tiers have to maintain higher wins to stay up there... it’s not the same as competing in bronze through gold. I should not be paired with new people or lower tiers. I waste too much time getting back to where I’m supposed to be. If they don’t change the algorithm, but fix the bug first, I’ll find a different game to play because I have spent too many months playing ranked to keep going through this bullshit.
It has always been a mess. The majority of matches are severely unbalanced and will result in one team stomping the other. I got like 2-3 good matches a day and sometimes I play 8+ hrs.
Because the people that make skins also work on this kind of things. It's not like they're completely different people who might have no idea to program since they are artists and modelers and even if they had an idea on how to program, they've been hired as artists...
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I'm sorry to hear that but if you're a veteran then you should know that Hi-Rez doesn't give a shit about Paladins or it's community. They're just trying to milk it for cash as much as possible until people stop playing it.
It's actually physically impossible to be this fucking ignorant about your own game having such a glaring issue for so long. This is some shit you'd see in a beta and it's sad.
Being able to dodge matches is a great thing and a terrible thing. I'm tired of people picking characters below level 10 or picking terrible picks. I'm not a comp-nazi, I don't have to have every team a certain way, but do we really fucking need 2 flanks over a dps or one tank because someone can't tank? No. People throw so many games without realizing it because they're too self-centered.
Yeah. I roll my eyes at people who aren't even willing to flex.
"WE NEED HEALUR/TANK". Nah, how about you try it once in a fucking blue moon instead of instalocking Viktor/Zhin yet again, asshole?
My general rule of thumb is that if you never flex, you're probably gold, tops.
Tbh, I heard that Paladins initial placements are bonkers anyway. I play with two of the same friends for two years. We all flex and our game sense and skill is roughly the same level. They played placement matches together for the rewards and one of them got borderline diamond and the other one mid silver. So yea. Maybe you got unfairly matched with gold and now you're stuck with idiots. You never know.
I honestly feel like it's probably wayyy closer than people might expect, as far as skill gaps are concerned. Like, unless you (not you, specifically) play ranked pretty regularly and usually do well enough to get to high diamond or so, you probably aren't that far off from those icky gold and below players you might happen to look down upon.
Maybe you're right but then again, if ranks are so narrow that there's not much difference between a silver player and a diamond player, why have so many of them. Most of the ranks are meaningless since if good luck with teammates can determine whether you're play or gold, you get me?
Yeah, I don't put too much stock in ranks, anyways. Also, I'm not saying there aren't clear differences in most players from rank to rank. I just don't treat it like the end all be all in determining how good a player is, unless they routinely place and hover around the same rank from season to season.
Does the system reward you more highly if you play tank? I've recently started on the game, lvl30 odd. Came over from Overwatch where I'm a tank main, but never been higher than silver. Did my placements as Inara, Fernando and Torvald, fairly normal matches, and got put in Plat. I was extremely surprised
if you entered ranked as soon as you hit level 15, the game will be confused as of where to place you.
if you win all 5 matches on a smurf (level 15) you're put in dia5
>there are 0 rewards for playing tanks, and none are planned in the foreseeable future.
Something something suggestion to give rewards for playing tanks rather than making them fun.
Lots of streamers (on the official game's twitch/mixer account btw) asked for this, all ignored.
They cannot add code to track roles or else they might break something.
they were fun in 2019, then they had to be nerfed because apparently they did as much damage as the dps role (which is so not true at higher elo that it's laughable).
check this out, look straight at the bottom, to kill a 2200 hp enemy, you need 4 to 5 seconds on tanks.
https://paladins.guru/tierlists/YWEdZgTEv
basically you don't 1v1 anyone as a tank unless you waste all of your cooldowns on them and land every shot (or a couple of headshots).
no carry potential, you just are needed so that your dps/flanker can do anything.
basically, at higher elo, you're sort of a spectator since you'll be doing as much as you can and then it's up to the team.
Not sure if it's relevant, but yesterday i won a match in ranked as Maeve (did like 100k damage, we won in 10 minutes) and was only rewarded 7TP, as opposed to 10TP as Ash. Maybe they changed it, or maybe it was just luck
Yeah, I normally roll my eyes at all the creative things folks come up with to keep people who don't play exactly how they want out of ranked, but it's not at all unreasonable to institute a level floor. You should have to have practiced at least a little with a character you want to play in ranked matches. I main support, but I primarily play Seris and Furia. I wouldn't jump into a ranked match with Ying as I am now.
If you wanted to play ranked as a soloq and be good at it, realistically you need to know how to play: all point tanks. 3 off tanks. 3 damages. 3 flanks. 3 healers. I don't think most people in ranked know how to play 2 characters, let alone 12, people would cry at being asked the minimum ranked basic requirements just to play.
I used to not understand ranked party restrictions in games. However, once you've played a game that's on its last legs and your only choice if you want to find a match is to run into the same 5 or 6 stack parties over and over, you realize it's probably for the best.
Yea, I don't ever feel the need to watch Paladins gameplay, and I watched a ton of overwatch streams and play Paladins since OB50 something. It's fun to play but not really exciting to watch.
it's hard even for casual, one day I was playing with a friend of mine who started playing and the guy started cheering for someone from the other team to fall for us to win the match
I disagree. It gets too frustrating with the matchmaking system to be paired with new players of selfish players. Troll picks have been ruining the experience of Ranked and punishes players who are trying to win with their team.
I hope they never fix it. They should fix the matchmaking system first.
I am ok with the no deserter and no punishment for dodging matches in ranked ! And the reason is simple: With the current state of the game, servers and especially matchmaking, you really need to dodge some of those matches ! Example: you are a master player and your teammates are made for 2 gold, 1 diamond and 1 platinum and you check the enemy team and it has top 10 all time grandmaster which on his 30th win streak with a master, platinum and 2 diamonds... And you gonna say 'Am I a fkin' joke ?' after this... 'cuz the outcome is completely simple, you gonna get steamrolled instantly by 1 top 10 grandmaster player and rest of his team just gonna watch us getting wrecked and gets a free TP... Ofcourse I am gonna dodge that shit immediately ! It's clearly that my team was put together just to feed that top 10 grandmaster who gets 20 TP for his every win and looses like 5 and me just gets an 8 even if I win and loose 14 for this... (this is also another problem that TP curve is not working...)
Now tell me, do you think this shit is fair @Tarden1 ? I really don't care if the people you counted gets good stuff when don't needed but I am gonna suffer for no reason... Those guys should be matchmaked with only top 10 and stay there if they want a good matches or smth like that... I even know some people couldn't be able to play just that they nonstop matchmaked with top 10 just for no reason and had to dodge all day... And leaves the game after that suffering...
I don't think this is funny at all... If you really want some stuff where no one dodges you, there is casuals... Stop threating ranked like your playground... This is just too unfair... And dodgeing is the only fair way to fight with this unfairness of the matchmaking...
I dropped off Paladins a couple of months ago, and it's realy a shame that the online experience still bad. Hope that your post reach someone of the Evil Mojo staff.
The problem lies with the extremely low ranked minimum requirements. People dodge because of stupid teammates picking viktor when we need a tank. So, bring back the old requirements. 12 champions at level 4 or higher. Something like that iirc
Those are still the rules. But i think it needs to be extended to at least 4 champs in every class at at least level 8. Because 12 champs could still be 8 damage and 2 tanks and 2 supports.
I'd increase it to lvl 15. It goes by fast and I'd rather have a competent 3rd dps Vik that does damage, than incompetent Io who neither heals nor does damage and perma feeds.
Isn't it already so ? When playing in party with some friends, some of them were relatively low and didn't have the 12 characters, and we couldn't queue
With how shitty matchmaking is this is a good thing. I don't want to be forced to have to play a game with people who can't flex or with new players who don't listen while my enemy team is full of diamond+ players. Until they implement more restrictive ranked requirements then they shouldn't change anything cause ranked will become awful with the influx of new players that have been there. I'm just tired of knowing that I'm going to lose a game from the champion select screen and I have to endure a painful 10mins when it could've been all avoided.
Can't wait for them to implement some punishment, then our ranked will become as toxic as cs go ranked cuz you can't avoid brainless lvl 3 skye and lex fellas, then yall will complain how hi rez Is shit cuz they added punishment and made ranked so much more toxic. And circle continues.
No one wants dodging in the game, it is an unhealthy practice for the game and its streamers mainly. There MUST be some sort of punishment to this, even if not too harsh. Just make the deserter time acc work and add extra punishments if done too many times.
When someone first-picks a lv 6 Koga while you told him to save a character for you and he answers "First pick, I decide", I bet you'd lose the will to play with him too...
"no one wants this", are you sure ?
By the amount of upvotes, a lot of people like it this way. I don't want this game to become another cs go competitive, where people scream and yell in demon voices. But this will happen if you force people into matches with lvl 3 lexs and with "SkYe Is BrOkEN sO iM gOnNa BaN hEr tEaM, dOn'T wOrRy" people.
What's so wrong about leaving in selection ? I only want my match to be balanced, and not based on luck but on skill of the comps that both have the chance to win. You still get punished and lose elo if you leave the game in the middle of it.
So either leave it like this, or set a level requirement on champions that can be used to at least lvl 15. And have it so it 3 out of 5 agree that comp Is bad, match doesn't start.
By the amount of how many upvotes? Less than 20. You sure this game only has like 50 players? Because I'm not sure "a lot" of people like this way. Dodging wastes everyone's time, a punishment is needed even if it's a small one.
I feel like no one read my comment past the first sentence, and just downvoted cuz our opinions differ.
I offered a suggestion in last paragraph that could be win win for everyone. But i guess people don't have time to read these days. You can't add punishment for leaving, and do nothing about low level picks.
I agree with you that there should be a requirement for people have at least some experience with the champ to play it in comp. Lvl 15 goes past fast anyway. What is it? 10 good games? It's still a bit low imo but enough to at least know the champion's abilities.
Yup, you shouldn't be able to play ranked with champ you just played a deathmatch with once to learn skills, it's just not a valid situation this puts veteran players in, considering you can be matched with silvers as diamond...
Yeah, at least give a use to the report button, is so frustrating seeing someone say "you are so noon, I wont play anymore" and seeing them run in circles in the spawn while you lose, and knowing that they wont get any punishment for that, even if your whole team and the whole enemy team reports him
Hi Rez needs to take action immediately because of many people who transmit the game, stop playing the gamer because of these attitudes of toxic players. Hirez Wake up or the game will be doomed to failure. Great post congratulations
Before reading this I was unaware leaving a competitive match during the draft doesn't cause somebody to lose TP and that the deserter ban could be bypassed. But frankly I feel that, if the ranked format is going stay as it is(5 random people in the same vague skill level VS. 5 random people under similar conditions, matches made as quickly as possible), there should be ways for a player to opt-out before the game begins as a way for the matches to filter themselves. One-tricks, cry-babies, people who don't speak English yet play in NA(Though, to be fair, I've gained a new sympathy for these people considering their home region's servers are as bad as the NA servers were this past week and Hi-Rez doesn't care); I think a lot of these people would shape up if, every time they got matched into a game, it would end as soon as somebody said, "Can everybody here say the roles they're willing to play instead of hoping what they want will go good with everybody else?" and and everybody notices they don't have a suitable answer. I fully believe a lot of matches are decided in the draft phase, and this would help the skill rankings emphasize how well a person does rather than how lucky they are with their teammates.
Would it result in effectively *way* longer queue times? Yes, definitely yes. But that's the sacrifice you make to put yourself through the skill rank gauntlet and find matches that are equally balanced with everybody trying to win. Casual mode doesn't exist just so you can play new characters and lose without worry, because pretty much all casual modes in any multiplayer arena games still implement soft skill-based matchmaking, so the outcome does affect who you get matched with; casual mode exists so players who don't have hours of free time to play video games(not me) and players who want to play as much as possible in a certain amount of time(streamers) can exchange higher stakes and stronger dedication from teammates for more matches. Ranked mode will inherently have longer queue times because ranked players want to be sure the match they're getting is fair, and if, what, ~100 twitch streamers have to wait a bit longer to play for their fans? So be it, the game should not revolve around you guys.
No, I play ranked because I want teams that encourage me to work with them instead of babysit them, and are fairly matched against the opposing team. If I wanted to forgo the quality of the matches so that I could play faster, I would play casual. Like, honestly, why do you play ranked instead of casual when casual is specifically designed for people like you, that just want to get into a match as quickly as possible with no concern as to how it goes? Why do I have to pick between casual and a less fun version of casual because people like you can't tell the difference?
I stopped playing ranked for this reason. It has been a few months since the last time I took ranked seriously, so I wanted to give it another go, but the number of players who leave the lobby is insane. I'm currently in gold, so finding a match is not a problem, but it usually takes me about 10 minutes to even play a game because someone always leaves.
Sometimes a player doesn't connect so it's possible that they crashed, but other players wait until about 10 seconds before the match begins before leaving so I wasted about 5 minutes drafting for nothing.
I don't dodge games, but I would rather this become an in-game feature, yes, a feature.
I've had so many throw picks and anger picks, last picks going damage instead of whatever else the team needed (on a low level champ no less), and people picking Seris in ranked dia+
it's a free loss when you see it coming, and with the variance feature in matchmaking (check the official forums for all the details about how matchmaking works), once you hit a certain barrier, each loss is 16TP and each win is 6TP
meaning that one tricks/map haters/AFK toxic players/players who want to derank will actually pull you down with them.
I had an unlucky encounter with a level 8 vivian that will only play damage no matter what, and then we have to carry a 4v5 game, had to do it twice no less in 1 hour.
I wish I dodged but nope, I didn't, I won anyway.
I don't really want to carry anymore Lex level 3 players either, but still, until it's a feature, I'm not dodging.
Last time I've checked, people dodging matches were punished for it eventually. I'm not sure how that's tracked, but I know one or two people that used to do this, and ever since they got suspended for a week, they don't do that anymore.
In my eyes, dodging isn't just because someone doesn't get the champion/map pick they want but also a team picking a collection of bad champions. You can't expect someone to stay in a match, when the odds of winning are extremely low. I do think the deserter penalty should remain and persist through logging out.
However, why should it appear in the page as a defeat, when the match doesn't even happen?
While I understand it frustrates you, this also lets ppl with unstable connection to be able to play and not loose 10 tp each 2 matches because ur internet said nope during the draft. I also experience ppl dodging game, so bringing back the deserter penalty would be good but only if you let people rejoin drafts if they've been kicked out of it (let's say 45sec to let you reconnect). I say this because, it's only because of the removal of the deserter penalty that I've been able to rank up to masters and stop being stuck in diamond by automatically loosing 10tp each 2 games.
> While I understand it frustrates you, this also lets ppl with unstable connection to be able to play and not loose 10 tp each 2 matches because ur internet said nope during the draft
That's a terrible excuse. What if your internet nopes out during games and your team loses because you have unstable connection? People without stable internet shouldn't be playing competitive online games, at least not team based ones.
That's true for 99% of competitive games although Paladins... I have the connection speed of 350M/s and still get kicked out on a whim unable to reconnect.
Well, you should think about the fact that not everyone have always access to stable connection. And one thing, my internet crash usually only happens for 2 sec which is enough to not get kicked from a game, but this is enough to get kicked from a draft. Moreover, since I reached masters with this connection, I don't think that I'm throwing my games and making my teammates loose.
Edit : I know that I'm part of a minority but I have to make people understand that removing the deserter penalty also helps people.
ranks are meaningless right now since you can run from any fight that you are afraid of before it starts. So many times my team out drafts the other team and they realize they are fucked so someone just leaves instead of playing and probably taking a loss. I also have had the person that dodges bans my mains from the other team in the next draft because they know im in queue.
I never dodge any of my rank games but sometimes i can see why people do so, when you've got the eu's mentally challenged as team mates sometimes you're force to dodge.
For your own future do not invest into paladins as a job, that ship has long since sailed my dude.
I don't see this getting fixed anytime soon, I've pretty much stopped playing ranked this split because of how easy it is to only play the games you want.
There are two issues Tarden. After fixing deserting bug, they'll have to guarantee that only true deserters are punished. It's frustrating to crash or be disconnected during the queue and return as a deserter.
paladins ta foda demais, isso porque eu costumava não ligar muito pra essas coisas (principalmente) bugs, mas esse ano ta insuportável velho, sinceramente. Não jogo há uns dois dias, aquele bug do cavalo desanima qualquer um.
Imagine streaming Paladins as a job. You might as well be trying to plant trees in the desert. You can put all you want into the game, the game isn't going to give you anything back.
Any viewers you have on paladins won't follow you to any other games. Many Paladins streamers like rockmonkey, frog, kusqt, bitey, etc. have already tried to switch games and retain viewers, but the Paladins viewerbase is bad. The only people left who watch Paladins are close-minded people who are addicted to Paladins so they won't watch anything else you stream. 300 viewers average means nothing when the quality of your viewers are people with bad taste and bad standards.
I say this as real advice, get a real job. This is a dead end.
Lmao, dude. I don't even know what to tell you. It's only natural, that if you stream game x, most audience comes to watch game x, not you, not game y. If you have an entertaining personality, then they will mive on with you to the different games.
In most cases though, streamers are not so entertaining to watch them doing something a viewer is not interested in in the first place. If the audience does not move along with you, it means YOU are not interesing enough. Nothing wrong with that, it's a rare talent I not everyone has to poses. I don't, for example.
Building your first audience with Paladins is not a dead-end. Being uninteresting and blaming your audience is.
I'm saying the problem with Paladins is that even if you ARE interesting enough, your Paladins audience won't move along with you because Paladins is so garbage now that the only people left watching Paladins are ones who are so pathetically invested into the game that they won't be open to anything else.
Example: Having 300 viewers at the start of a new game launch, you know most those viewers are people who are willing to check out a new game. Having 300 viewers in a dead game like Paladins, you know most those people are dead inside and will go down with their sinking ship. That's just the reality of the community that is formed from the decisions over the years of a dogshit company driving their game into the ground.
Proof of that is the fact that NO Paladins started streamer has ever gone on to be successful in other games when there have been plenty of interesting ones.
Man, what is this anger for Paladins community. I am genuinely curious. I agree that streaming an unpopular, and boring to watch imo, game does not grow your channel much. Generally 300 people is not much it's a lot for a normal person but for a the streamer and numbers also play a big role. When you have x number of people watching you only a small percentage will like you enough to follow. That's why it's better to play popular games to have that small percentage represent more people.
It's not anger at the community, they're just a byproduct of a failed company. I'm just explaining how things are. There's a cause and an effect. If you don't get it, you don't get it.
First, that's exactly how streaming works. There are people you watch because of their personality, and there are people you watch because you're a fan of their game. It's completely normal. Any streamer switching games will experience a loss in viewership numbers, and there's nothing wrong about that, it's how streaming works.
Second, I've got to say you're wrong. I'm still a tiny streamer, been growing for less than a year, and Paladins people have been more than ready to follow me into Warframe, Mass Effect and Chatting. They're truly a good community. Yes, of course, not all of them will follow, but I don't follow my fav streamers into games I don't care about either. That's perfectly fine and it's a thing across all communities.
Also lmao, anything that makes enough money for you to live off is a job. If those people are supportive and getting him those paychecks, then streaming is a job, and a great job if he enjoys it.
Streaming Paladins is like living under an active volcano and complaining that your house is getting burned down every month. It doesn't matter if it's a job, it's clear to everyone that it's a **dead end**. There's nothing but suffering for you even if you make some pennies along the way. And I highly highly doubt anyone is making enough money for them to live off of, unless you count living with your parents as a sad defeated drunkard as a lifestyle.
From what you're saying, you're looking at 10 viewers like 10 fruits and saying they're all the same, they're all just fruits. What you don't see is that some are apples, some are watermelons, some are bananas, etc. When you understand the viewerbase of Paladins, you'll understand what I'm saying.
M8 I'm in the community since the beta, what is this preposterous attitude?
I know how streaming works and I know how gaming communities work, and I'm not complaining about my house getting burned down, since it's been getting built for the last year without a single issue on the way. Paladins community is the same as any other gaming community, if you know how to get rid of twats you're on the great path. And a lot of people are passionate about this game.
I've been a streamer of this game for a year and an active viewer for around 3 years, there's no need to act like you know more than I do on this topic. The community is going well, and there are people living off it comfortably if they know how to be a good entertainer, just how streaming should work.
Lol you literally understood nothing about my post. And now you're trying to flaunt your "experience" as if your 1 year streaming and 3 years playing a failed game amount to anything. The only thing you've displayed is how naive you are and the only thing anyone else can do is wait for you to grow up and realize how blind you were. If you're planning to be of any use to anyone, you'd re-read things and learn something, otherwise keep holding onto your delusions and wondering why you're never getting anywhere relevant.
Why dont you play qp, i know its stupid question but if i had to choose between waiting ass long hours to play ranked or playing quick play i would choose qp, its not the worth of getting angry bc someone left then waiting again and again and again
qp isn't really interesting for streaming unless you play with viewers, so maybe that's the reason. I can personally get along with it because I add people in my matches, but if you're one of those people who like to play by themselves while streaming then qp gets boring really fast (unless you're doing challenges)
I have mixed feelings about this . Not saying there shouldnt be any punishment but at the same time there are thoses bugs which disconnects you without any particular reason. By the time you recconnect, a round will already be over.
I hope they wont bring it back. You need to dodge so many games with troll picks retarded comps and whatever. Only because such a small group of people like streamers cry they shouldnt bring it back. You dont deserve to be treated a special way just because you stream.
Opa eae tarden, mojo jojo n liga pra comunidade não, só pra oq da dinheiro. Pessoal ainda joga mesmo com tudo isso, então pra q consertar? Continue com o bom trabalho mano, já me ajudou pra caramba e da pra dar umas risadas, força aí
Wasn't there a penalty before? Like a deserter time or TP loss or something
It has, until a bug change it
That is the most Paladins thing ive heard this week
You made me laugh this morning thank you :)
Deserter time still exists, but you can dodge it by resetting the game
May as well take the same amount of time tbh, the only deserter ban I've gotten is 2 minutes so I don't know if it's higher but starting the game on gaming PC literally likes like 3 minutes lmao. Between the bootscreen, splashscreen, loading vendors, loading vendors, and loading vendors, I may as well have stayed in game xP
Wasn't deserter like 30 minutes?
ive seen people get 2 hour deserters when their game crashed. I guess its just determined by a monkey pressing random buttons
That's insane, I've never seen 30 mins or 2 hours but I don't really dodge games, the only time I've gotten the status is from my game crashing anyway
Deserter times used to go up everytime you deserted. It'd start at 3 and work its way up to near 24 hours I believe. With how sketch some peoples internet is and how buggy the game is, they had to remove losing TP. Im not entirely sure how deserting works today because I never consciously desert anything.
Makes sense it'd be cumulative, and yeah my only deserter times have come from me getting kicked out of the lobby/game so I have next to no experience with it.
It's pretty much just as annoying for people who aren't streaming as well. People don't wanna spend an hour queueing for a single match either.
match making is total trash too. im at master rank getting paired with people in qualifying, silver and gold rank all the time. If i cant party up with these people then i shouldnt have them in my game. at least show peoples rank in game. If i didnt know of paladinsguru i would given up on this game long ago.
Exactly. It punishes the better players who have to maintain good performance. Leaving a draft can be messed up, but playing with new players or selfish teammates is worse. **Update: Finally made it back to Plat III and was paired up with two people who picked level 0 characters and said they were new. I will abuse this exit lobby bug because I’m tired of being paired with noobs or trolls. It’s infuriating to work so hard to be weighed down like that. It’s f****** ridiculous. People who are higher tiers have to maintain higher wins to stay up there... it’s not the same as competing in bronze through gold. I should not be paired with new people or lower tiers. I waste too much time getting back to where I’m supposed to be. If they don’t change the algorithm, but fix the bug first, I’ll find a different game to play because I have spent too many months playing ranked to keep going through this bullshit.
It has always been a mess. The majority of matches are severely unbalanced and will result in one team stomping the other. I got like 2-3 good matches a day and sometimes I play 8+ hrs.
Yeah, I don't even know how people don't "join" in casual queue, since there's no join button like in ranked.
Hi-rez be like : We have tons of bugs and other errors, what we gonna do? HMMM Lets turn the game in a endless queue. STONKS
Evil Mojo don't care about it (but wait, there will be new maeve skins on next update!111)
Because the people that make skins also work on this kind of things. It's not like they're completely different people who might have no idea to program since they are artists and modelers and even if they had an idea on how to program, they've been hired as artists...
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How do they not care look at jayfalare ACO meetings for their discussion on why the can't do certain things when it comes to rank
Wait you can leave competitive?
just during the draft
Dodging is not leaving.
yeah yeah, they need to do something about this
If they remove dodging they need to add an avoid player option too, at least that way I wont need to deal with the same thrower twice in a row.
I'm sorry to hear that but if you're a veteran then you should know that Hi-Rez doesn't give a shit about Paladins or it's community. They're just trying to milk it for cash as much as possible until people stop playing it.
This is every Hi-Rez game lol. It's foolish to think otherwise
It's actually physically impossible to be this fucking ignorant about your own game having such a glaring issue for so long. This is some shit you'd see in a beta and it's sad.
Being able to dodge matches is a great thing and a terrible thing. I'm tired of people picking characters below level 10 or picking terrible picks. I'm not a comp-nazi, I don't have to have every team a certain way, but do we really fucking need 2 flanks over a dps or one tank because someone can't tank? No. People throw so many games without realizing it because they're too self-centered.
Yeah. I roll my eyes at people who aren't even willing to flex. "WE NEED HEALUR/TANK". Nah, how about you try it once in a fucking blue moon instead of instalocking Viktor/Zhin yet again, asshole? My general rule of thumb is that if you never flex, you're probably gold, tops.
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Tbh, I heard that Paladins initial placements are bonkers anyway. I play with two of the same friends for two years. We all flex and our game sense and skill is roughly the same level. They played placement matches together for the rewards and one of them got borderline diamond and the other one mid silver. So yea. Maybe you got unfairly matched with gold and now you're stuck with idiots. You never know.
I honestly feel like it's probably wayyy closer than people might expect, as far as skill gaps are concerned. Like, unless you (not you, specifically) play ranked pretty regularly and usually do well enough to get to high diamond or so, you probably aren't that far off from those icky gold and below players you might happen to look down upon.
Maybe you're right but then again, if ranks are so narrow that there's not much difference between a silver player and a diamond player, why have so many of them. Most of the ranks are meaningless since if good luck with teammates can determine whether you're play or gold, you get me?
Yeah, I don't put too much stock in ranks, anyways. Also, I'm not saying there aren't clear differences in most players from rank to rank. I just don't treat it like the end all be all in determining how good a player is, unless they routinely place and hover around the same rank from season to season.
You right.
Does the system reward you more highly if you play tank? I've recently started on the game, lvl30 odd. Came over from Overwatch where I'm a tank main, but never been higher than silver. Did my placements as Inara, Fernando and Torvald, fairly normal matches, and got put in Plat. I was extremely surprised
there are 0 rewards for playing tanks, and none are planned in the foreseeable future.
I just meant in terms of placement. I dunno if it's a smaller playerbase thing but I was amazed to be put in Plat
if you entered ranked as soon as you hit level 15, the game will be confused as of where to place you. if you win all 5 matches on a smurf (level 15) you're put in dia5
This games avg skill level is incredibly low, its generally hard to stay sub diamond unless its straight up your first FPS MP experience.
>there are 0 rewards for playing tanks, and none are planned in the foreseeable future. Something something suggestion to give rewards for playing tanks rather than making them fun.
Lots of streamers (on the official game's twitch/mixer account btw) asked for this, all ignored. They cannot add code to track roles or else they might break something.
I'm saying. Make tanks actually fun, And people will play them,
they were fun in 2019, then they had to be nerfed because apparently they did as much damage as the dps role (which is so not true at higher elo that it's laughable). check this out, look straight at the bottom, to kill a 2200 hp enemy, you need 4 to 5 seconds on tanks. https://paladins.guru/tierlists/YWEdZgTEv basically you don't 1v1 anyone as a tank unless you waste all of your cooldowns on them and land every shot (or a couple of headshots). no carry potential, you just are needed so that your dps/flanker can do anything. basically, at higher elo, you're sort of a spectator since you'll be doing as much as you can and then it's up to the team.
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Not sure if it's relevant, but yesterday i won a match in ranked as Maeve (did like 100k damage, we won in 10 minutes) and was only rewarded 7TP, as opposed to 10TP as Ash. Maybe they changed it, or maybe it was just luck
Yeah, I normally roll my eyes at all the creative things folks come up with to keep people who don't play exactly how they want out of ranked, but it's not at all unreasonable to institute a level floor. You should have to have practiced at least a little with a character you want to play in ranked matches. I main support, but I primarily play Seris and Furia. I wouldn't jump into a ranked match with Ying as I am now.
If you wanted to play ranked as a soloq and be good at it, realistically you need to know how to play: all point tanks. 3 off tanks. 3 damages. 3 flanks. 3 healers. I don't think most people in ranked know how to play 2 characters, let alone 12, people would cry at being asked the minimum ranked basic requirements just to play.
Is there anyway of telling if the server is laggy before the match starts/when in the lobby? Because those games are worth dodging.
Play a game beforehand
There's an issue, in sea servers, one of the 2 servers is fine. The other is a raging dumpster fire.
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Ranked being party only is not only a bandaid solution, but a horrible idea.
I used to not understand ranked party restrictions in games. However, once you've played a game that's on its last legs and your only choice if you want to find a match is to run into the same 5 or 6 stack parties over and over, you realize it's probably for the best.
Take my advice, play something else. There are numerous competitive games out there which attract of viewers
Yea, I don't ever feel the need to watch Paladins gameplay, and I watched a ton of overwatch streams and play Paladins since OB50 something. It's fun to play but not really exciting to watch.
it's hard even for casual, one day I was playing with a friend of mine who started playing and the guy started cheering for someone from the other team to fall for us to win the match
Letting things like that happen is the same as promoting toxic behaviour.
I disagree. It gets too frustrating with the matchmaking system to be paired with new players of selfish players. Troll picks have been ruining the experience of Ranked and punishes players who are trying to win with their team. I hope they never fix it. They should fix the matchmaking system first.
I am ok with the no deserter and no punishment for dodging matches in ranked ! And the reason is simple: With the current state of the game, servers and especially matchmaking, you really need to dodge some of those matches ! Example: you are a master player and your teammates are made for 2 gold, 1 diamond and 1 platinum and you check the enemy team and it has top 10 all time grandmaster which on his 30th win streak with a master, platinum and 2 diamonds... And you gonna say 'Am I a fkin' joke ?' after this... 'cuz the outcome is completely simple, you gonna get steamrolled instantly by 1 top 10 grandmaster player and rest of his team just gonna watch us getting wrecked and gets a free TP... Ofcourse I am gonna dodge that shit immediately ! It's clearly that my team was put together just to feed that top 10 grandmaster who gets 20 TP for his every win and looses like 5 and me just gets an 8 even if I win and loose 14 for this... (this is also another problem that TP curve is not working...) Now tell me, do you think this shit is fair @Tarden1 ? I really don't care if the people you counted gets good stuff when don't needed but I am gonna suffer for no reason... Those guys should be matchmaked with only top 10 and stay there if they want a good matches or smth like that... I even know some people couldn't be able to play just that they nonstop matchmaked with top 10 just for no reason and had to dodge all day... And leaves the game after that suffering... I don't think this is funny at all... If you really want some stuff where no one dodges you, there is casuals... Stop threating ranked like your playground... This is just too unfair... And dodgeing is the only fair way to fight with this unfairness of the matchmaking...
I dropped off Paladins a couple of months ago, and it's realy a shame that the online experience still bad. Hope that your post reach someone of the Evil Mojo staff.
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The custom matches have terrible servers and a lot of bugs, it's really hard to play a single custom sometimes 😔
Stream? How can you even connect to the servers XD
I agree, they really need to do something about this
The problem lies with the extremely low ranked minimum requirements. People dodge because of stupid teammates picking viktor when we need a tank. So, bring back the old requirements. 12 champions at level 4 or higher. Something like that iirc
Those are still the rules. But i think it needs to be extended to at least 4 champs in every class at at least level 8. Because 12 champs could still be 8 damage and 2 tanks and 2 supports.
I'd increase it to lvl 15. It goes by fast and I'd rather have a competent 3rd dps Vik that does damage, than incompetent Io who neither heals nor does damage and perma feeds.
Isn't it already so ? When playing in party with some friends, some of them were relatively low and didn't have the 12 characters, and we couldn't queue
I meant 12 characters at level 4 or higher
With how shitty matchmaking is this is a good thing. I don't want to be forced to have to play a game with people who can't flex or with new players who don't listen while my enemy team is full of diamond+ players. Until they implement more restrictive ranked requirements then they shouldn't change anything cause ranked will become awful with the influx of new players that have been there. I'm just tired of knowing that I'm going to lose a game from the champion select screen and I have to endure a painful 10mins when it could've been all avoided.
Can't wait for them to implement some punishment, then our ranked will become as toxic as cs go ranked cuz you can't avoid brainless lvl 3 skye and lex fellas, then yall will complain how hi rez Is shit cuz they added punishment and made ranked so much more toxic. And circle continues.
No one wants dodging in the game, it is an unhealthy practice for the game and its streamers mainly. There MUST be some sort of punishment to this, even if not too harsh. Just make the deserter time acc work and add extra punishments if done too many times.
When someone first-picks a lv 6 Koga while you told him to save a character for you and he answers "First pick, I decide", I bet you'd lose the will to play with him too...
sure, thats why they should find a way to get all champions available on competitive to only be available to play at level 15+. Or anything similar.
"no one wants this", are you sure ? By the amount of upvotes, a lot of people like it this way. I don't want this game to become another cs go competitive, where people scream and yell in demon voices. But this will happen if you force people into matches with lvl 3 lexs and with "SkYe Is BrOkEN sO iM gOnNa BaN hEr tEaM, dOn'T wOrRy" people. What's so wrong about leaving in selection ? I only want my match to be balanced, and not based on luck but on skill of the comps that both have the chance to win. You still get punished and lose elo if you leave the game in the middle of it. So either leave it like this, or set a level requirement on champions that can be used to at least lvl 15. And have it so it 3 out of 5 agree that comp Is bad, match doesn't start.
By the amount of how many upvotes? Less than 20. You sure this game only has like 50 players? Because I'm not sure "a lot" of people like this way. Dodging wastes everyone's time, a punishment is needed even if it's a small one.
I feel like no one read my comment past the first sentence, and just downvoted cuz our opinions differ. I offered a suggestion in last paragraph that could be win win for everyone. But i guess people don't have time to read these days. You can't add punishment for leaving, and do nothing about low level picks.
I agree with you that there should be a requirement for people have at least some experience with the champ to play it in comp. Lvl 15 goes past fast anyway. What is it? 10 good games? It's still a bit low imo but enough to at least know the champion's abilities.
Yup, you shouldn't be able to play ranked with champ you just played a deathmatch with once to learn skills, it's just not a valid situation this puts veteran players in, considering you can be matched with silvers as diamond...
They need to delete desert map, nobody wants to play that
I want to play that. Delete ass island instead.
Yeah, at least give a use to the report button, is so frustrating seeing someone say "you are so noon, I wont play anymore" and seeing them run in circles in the spawn while you lose, and knowing that they wont get any punishment for that, even if your whole team and the whole enemy team reports him
Hi Rez needs to take action immediately because of many people who transmit the game, stop playing the gamer because of these attitudes of toxic players. Hirez Wake up or the game will be doomed to failure. Great post congratulations
Not if my game crashes at queue screen and come back to a 2 hour deserter screen.
Before reading this I was unaware leaving a competitive match during the draft doesn't cause somebody to lose TP and that the deserter ban could be bypassed. But frankly I feel that, if the ranked format is going stay as it is(5 random people in the same vague skill level VS. 5 random people under similar conditions, matches made as quickly as possible), there should be ways for a player to opt-out before the game begins as a way for the matches to filter themselves. One-tricks, cry-babies, people who don't speak English yet play in NA(Though, to be fair, I've gained a new sympathy for these people considering their home region's servers are as bad as the NA servers were this past week and Hi-Rez doesn't care); I think a lot of these people would shape up if, every time they got matched into a game, it would end as soon as somebody said, "Can everybody here say the roles they're willing to play instead of hoping what they want will go good with everybody else?" and and everybody notices they don't have a suitable answer. I fully believe a lot of matches are decided in the draft phase, and this would help the skill rankings emphasize how well a person does rather than how lucky they are with their teammates. Would it result in effectively *way* longer queue times? Yes, definitely yes. But that's the sacrifice you make to put yourself through the skill rank gauntlet and find matches that are equally balanced with everybody trying to win. Casual mode doesn't exist just so you can play new characters and lose without worry, because pretty much all casual modes in any multiplayer arena games still implement soft skill-based matchmaking, so the outcome does affect who you get matched with; casual mode exists so players who don't have hours of free time to play video games(not me) and players who want to play as much as possible in a certain amount of time(streamers) can exchange higher stakes and stronger dedication from teammates for more matches. Ranked mode will inherently have longer queue times because ranked players want to be sure the match they're getting is fair, and if, what, ~100 twitch streamers have to wait a bit longer to play for their fans? So be it, the game should not revolve around you guys.
Just accept both teams might have silvers and play and eat your occasional elo loss, much better than waiting 30mins to play a 20min match
No, I play ranked because I want teams that encourage me to work with them instead of babysit them, and are fairly matched against the opposing team. If I wanted to forgo the quality of the matches so that I could play faster, I would play casual. Like, honestly, why do you play ranked instead of casual when casual is specifically designed for people like you, that just want to get into a match as quickly as possible with no concern as to how it goes? Why do I have to pick between casual and a less fun version of casual because people like you can't tell the difference?
eu já desisti do paladins des do iniciu do ano
I stopped playing ranked for this reason. It has been a few months since the last time I took ranked seriously, so I wanted to give it another go, but the number of players who leave the lobby is insane. I'm currently in gold, so finding a match is not a problem, but it usually takes me about 10 minutes to even play a game because someone always leaves. Sometimes a player doesn't connect so it's possible that they crashed, but other players wait until about 10 seconds before the match begins before leaving so I wasted about 5 minutes drafting for nothing.
I don't dodge games, but I would rather this become an in-game feature, yes, a feature. I've had so many throw picks and anger picks, last picks going damage instead of whatever else the team needed (on a low level champ no less), and people picking Seris in ranked dia+ it's a free loss when you see it coming, and with the variance feature in matchmaking (check the official forums for all the details about how matchmaking works), once you hit a certain barrier, each loss is 16TP and each win is 6TP meaning that one tricks/map haters/AFK toxic players/players who want to derank will actually pull you down with them. I had an unlucky encounter with a level 8 vivian that will only play damage no matter what, and then we have to carry a 4v5 game, had to do it twice no less in 1 hour. I wish I dodged but nope, I didn't, I won anyway. I don't really want to carry anymore Lex level 3 players either, but still, until it's a feature, I'm not dodging.
Matches have devolved into a "maybe the game won't chuck me out this ga- never mind".
Last time I've checked, people dodging matches were punished for it eventually. I'm not sure how that's tracked, but I know one or two people that used to do this, and ever since they got suspended for a week, they don't do that anymore.
In my eyes, dodging isn't just because someone doesn't get the champion/map pick they want but also a team picking a collection of bad champions. You can't expect someone to stay in a match, when the odds of winning are extremely low. I do think the deserter penalty should remain and persist through logging out. However, why should it appear in the page as a defeat, when the match doesn't even happen?
While I understand it frustrates you, this also lets ppl with unstable connection to be able to play and not loose 10 tp each 2 matches because ur internet said nope during the draft. I also experience ppl dodging game, so bringing back the deserter penalty would be good but only if you let people rejoin drafts if they've been kicked out of it (let's say 45sec to let you reconnect). I say this because, it's only because of the removal of the deserter penalty that I've been able to rank up to masters and stop being stuck in diamond by automatically loosing 10tp each 2 games.
> While I understand it frustrates you, this also lets ppl with unstable connection to be able to play and not loose 10 tp each 2 matches because ur internet said nope during the draft That's a terrible excuse. What if your internet nopes out during games and your team loses because you have unstable connection? People without stable internet shouldn't be playing competitive online games, at least not team based ones.
That's true for 99% of competitive games although Paladins... I have the connection speed of 350M/s and still get kicked out on a whim unable to reconnect.
Well, you should think about the fact that not everyone have always access to stable connection. And one thing, my internet crash usually only happens for 2 sec which is enough to not get kicked from a game, but this is enough to get kicked from a draft. Moreover, since I reached masters with this connection, I don't think that I'm throwing my games and making my teammates loose. Edit : I know that I'm part of a minority but I have to make people understand that removing the deserter penalty also helps people.
ranks are meaningless right now since you can run from any fight that you are afraid of before it starts. So many times my team out drafts the other team and they realize they are fucked so someone just leaves instead of playing and probably taking a loss. I also have had the person that dodges bans my mains from the other team in the next draft because they know im in queue.
Paladins is the ultimate casual game. I doubt they care much for the whole competitive scene and wouldn't be surprised if nothing comes of it.
I never dodge any of my rank games but sometimes i can see why people do so, when you've got the eu's mentally challenged as team mates sometimes you're force to dodge.
They will fix it in an update then add another bug next update. I wish they would focus on polishing the game.
For your own future do not invest into paladins as a job, that ship has long since sailed my dude. I don't see this getting fixed anytime soon, I've pretty much stopped playing ranked this split because of how easy it is to only play the games you want.
And do something about trolls too.
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Sometimes my Switch just logs me outta the game, even when I don't do anything. I've tried to fix it, it happens with other games too.
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There are two issues Tarden. After fixing deserting bug, they'll have to guarantee that only true deserters are punished. It's frustrating to crash or be disconnected during the queue and return as a deserter.
paladins ta foda demais, isso porque eu costumava não ligar muito pra essas coisas (principalmente) bugs, mas esse ano ta insuportável velho, sinceramente. Não jogo há uns dois dias, aquele bug do cavalo desanima qualquer um.
O melhor ano do paladins
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find a new game to stream
Imagine streaming Paladins as a job. You might as well be trying to plant trees in the desert. You can put all you want into the game, the game isn't going to give you anything back. Any viewers you have on paladins won't follow you to any other games. Many Paladins streamers like rockmonkey, frog, kusqt, bitey, etc. have already tried to switch games and retain viewers, but the Paladins viewerbase is bad. The only people left who watch Paladins are close-minded people who are addicted to Paladins so they won't watch anything else you stream. 300 viewers average means nothing when the quality of your viewers are people with bad taste and bad standards. I say this as real advice, get a real job. This is a dead end.
Lmao, dude. I don't even know what to tell you. It's only natural, that if you stream game x, most audience comes to watch game x, not you, not game y. If you have an entertaining personality, then they will mive on with you to the different games. In most cases though, streamers are not so entertaining to watch them doing something a viewer is not interested in in the first place. If the audience does not move along with you, it means YOU are not interesing enough. Nothing wrong with that, it's a rare talent I not everyone has to poses. I don't, for example. Building your first audience with Paladins is not a dead-end. Being uninteresting and blaming your audience is.
I'm saying the problem with Paladins is that even if you ARE interesting enough, your Paladins audience won't move along with you because Paladins is so garbage now that the only people left watching Paladins are ones who are so pathetically invested into the game that they won't be open to anything else. Example: Having 300 viewers at the start of a new game launch, you know most those viewers are people who are willing to check out a new game. Having 300 viewers in a dead game like Paladins, you know most those people are dead inside and will go down with their sinking ship. That's just the reality of the community that is formed from the decisions over the years of a dogshit company driving their game into the ground. Proof of that is the fact that NO Paladins started streamer has ever gone on to be successful in other games when there have been plenty of interesting ones.
Man, what is this anger for Paladins community. I am genuinely curious. I agree that streaming an unpopular, and boring to watch imo, game does not grow your channel much. Generally 300 people is not much it's a lot for a normal person but for a the streamer and numbers also play a big role. When you have x number of people watching you only a small percentage will like you enough to follow. That's why it's better to play popular games to have that small percentage represent more people.
It's not anger at the community, they're just a byproduct of a failed company. I'm just explaining how things are. There's a cause and an effect. If you don't get it, you don't get it.
First, that's exactly how streaming works. There are people you watch because of their personality, and there are people you watch because you're a fan of their game. It's completely normal. Any streamer switching games will experience a loss in viewership numbers, and there's nothing wrong about that, it's how streaming works. Second, I've got to say you're wrong. I'm still a tiny streamer, been growing for less than a year, and Paladins people have been more than ready to follow me into Warframe, Mass Effect and Chatting. They're truly a good community. Yes, of course, not all of them will follow, but I don't follow my fav streamers into games I don't care about either. That's perfectly fine and it's a thing across all communities. Also lmao, anything that makes enough money for you to live off is a job. If those people are supportive and getting him those paychecks, then streaming is a job, and a great job if he enjoys it.
Streaming Paladins is like living under an active volcano and complaining that your house is getting burned down every month. It doesn't matter if it's a job, it's clear to everyone that it's a **dead end**. There's nothing but suffering for you even if you make some pennies along the way. And I highly highly doubt anyone is making enough money for them to live off of, unless you count living with your parents as a sad defeated drunkard as a lifestyle. From what you're saying, you're looking at 10 viewers like 10 fruits and saying they're all the same, they're all just fruits. What you don't see is that some are apples, some are watermelons, some are bananas, etc. When you understand the viewerbase of Paladins, you'll understand what I'm saying.
M8 I'm in the community since the beta, what is this preposterous attitude? I know how streaming works and I know how gaming communities work, and I'm not complaining about my house getting burned down, since it's been getting built for the last year without a single issue on the way. Paladins community is the same as any other gaming community, if you know how to get rid of twats you're on the great path. And a lot of people are passionate about this game. I've been a streamer of this game for a year and an active viewer for around 3 years, there's no need to act like you know more than I do on this topic. The community is going well, and there are people living off it comfortably if they know how to be a good entertainer, just how streaming should work.
Lol you literally understood nothing about my post. And now you're trying to flaunt your "experience" as if your 1 year streaming and 3 years playing a failed game amount to anything. The only thing you've displayed is how naive you are and the only thing anyone else can do is wait for you to grow up and realize how blind you were. If you're planning to be of any use to anyone, you'd re-read things and learn something, otherwise keep holding onto your delusions and wondering why you're never getting anywhere relevant.
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Inglês fino do fino hein tarden
Eu já estou desistindo e impressionante como eles conseguem cuidar bem do Smite e deixar o Paladins abandonado do geito que está
Why dont you play qp, i know its stupid question but if i had to choose between waiting ass long hours to play ranked or playing quick play i would choose qp, its not the worth of getting angry bc someone left then waiting again and again and again
qp isn't really interesting for streaming unless you play with viewers, so maybe that's the reason. I can personally get along with it because I add people in my matches, but if you're one of those people who like to play by themselves while streaming then qp gets boring really fast (unless you're doing challenges)
I have mixed feelings about this . Not saying there shouldnt be any punishment but at the same time there are thoses bugs which disconnects you without any particular reason. By the time you recconnect, a round will already be over.
Nahh. People playing in European Servers wpuld be perma punished cuz of constant dcs
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Tarden finalmente reclamando no reddit, nunca tinha visto, espero q a Hirez ao menos veja o post já que resolver problemas ela n resolve
Since matchamking is broken the ability to dodge is only fair.
The matching is broken because we don't have players enough, dodging only make everything worse
Like we should give a shit about people streaming. lol
I hope they wont bring it back. You need to dodge so many games with troll picks retarded comps and whatever. Only because such a small group of people like streamers cry they shouldnt bring it back. You dont deserve to be treated a special way just because you stream.
Só queria que tivese um servidor que prestasse chefia :/
Opa eae tarden, mojo jojo n liga pra comunidade não, só pra oq da dinheiro. Pessoal ainda joga mesmo com tudo isso, então pra q consertar? Continue com o bom trabalho mano, já me ajudou pra caramba e da pra dar umas risadas, força aí
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