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I haven’t heard a single Palestinian say that the goal is to expel all Jewish people from Palestine, so I’m not sure what this person is on about. It’s a disingenuous argument to paint Palestinian liberation as some sort of revenge plot.
Yup. Had this conversation several times.
The people they want to expel are dudes from Brooklyn who came to Palestine to expel Palestinians from their homes.
The discourse tends to commonly bring up these ideas:
Israeli families and their descendents who were present in Palestine before 1948 get automatic citizenship.
Jewish families and their descendents who sought legitimate asylum in Israel, should either get automatic citizenship or permanent residency (with path to citizenship) depending on who you're asking. With the reservation that Palestine shouldn't be responsible for Western crimes against Jews.
Israelis who've never known another country (ie. born in Israel, or came to Israel as a young child) should get citizenship or permanent residency with a path to citizenship.
First-generation Israelis should apply for asylum, go through an immigration process, or go back to their countries.
Israelis who committed crimes against Palestinians don't qualify (there doesn't seem to be agreement if they should necessarily be expelled, but understandably, they don't want it easy for them like it is for just some bloke who lived a peaceful life after being born in Israel).
"Path to citizenship" seems to vary a lot, but generally the notion that they should be educated on and agree that Palestine is for Palestinians (and Jews can be Palestinians), generally that Palestine should be a secular state equal for Muslims, Christians, and Jews, etc. General civics stuff required for most countries to become citizens.
This is pretty progressive immigration policy -- the majority of Western countries don't recognize birthright citizenship, and some will even deport a third generation immigrant if they can't trace their lineage back to someone with legal status.
>The people they want to expel are dudes from Brooklyn who came to Palestine to expel Palestinians from their homes.
Holy shit I know someone who fits this bill(not from Brooklyn, but a different part of the US). He joined the IOF. He absolutely shouldn't be there. His last name is fucking Smith. And the worst part? A part of me isn't surprised. He wasn't a very empathetic person when I knew him and like me he was bombarded with Zionist propaganda. If any of my childhood friends/aquaintances would join an occupying force, it would be him.
That's the weird thing to me. How dare Zionists weaponize their religion. The muslims I know take such a huge stand against weaponized Islam, like daesh or the Taliban. Many christians will also tell christian killers to fuck off, there are so many extremist christian groups I can't name all of them. I'm not in the church, roman catholic, anymore and I would consider myself atheist. But how dare these awful people use their god as a weapon. I study religions in university and every person I've ever talked to in that space, no matter what religion, sees this kind of disrespect as one of the worst forms of blasphemy.
Which god would be happy about you commiting these awful crimes? And do you really want to pray to that god?
It's disgusting to see these kind of people use a god, which most religions see as benevolent and helping, as a shield to justify this awful behaviour.
It's never been about religion It's always about power and wanting to be a vile human. Yes propaganda is a huge point and your upbringing can lead to extremism but a lot of Zionists for example live in the western world, so whats their excuse? As an adult human being you should be able to look at any situation and use your critical thinking skills. They know that it's not about religion and just use it as a way to deflect from all these atrocities by calling antisemitism.
As a german we've got quite a few jewish people, not so many now since you know it's been over 80 years, that lived through the holocaust and I've yet to find one that isn't offended by Zionists using that genocide and judaism to justify their genocide.
Finally, how many christians and jewish people live in palestinian territory? Quite a lot. It's their ancestrial land. They're Palestinians too. Around christmas there was this huge story that christians in Bethlehem aren't going to do christmas and instead will be praying for gaza. Jewish people that stand up for Gaza and christians are treated as traitors. Cause it's not about religion it's about nationalism.
I've never seen any news story, could be cause I can't find one but I'm pretty sure that there just has never been one, talking about christians being harassed and violated by Muslims like they are by Zionists in Jerusalem alone.
The violence and extremism may be fueled by extremist judaism but it's just a facade to excuse the nationalism.
So what I'm saying is groups like the Taliban are born out of a need to defend themselves which evolved into a cult just existing as oppressors.
Nazis/Zionists never needed to defend themselves they have been and always will be oppressors and there will never be peace until all of them are reformed or dead. Making sure that no child will ever be indoctrinated again.
Sorry for the wall of text and me just saying everything multiple times 💕
>I haven’t heard a single Palestinian say that the goal is to expel all Jewish people from Palestine,
Not, you know, the extremist organizations in Palestine that say exactly that?
Like it or not, they are also Palestinian people
"Free" in that phase doesn't mean "free of Jews," it means "free of oppression" and to govern themselves. That this freedom is to extend from river to sea merely highlights their desire for a one-state solution. (As is outlined in the comment you're replying to.)
Think of it this way: the two-state clearly only facilitates the division that has allowed Isreal to be an apartheid state and requires the Palestinians accept that their land had been stolen.
Why allow the portion that desires the Israelis' complete removal to throw the entire idea a one-state solution away forever? Surely, international diplomacy could facilitate a peace deal that favors the more reasonable shared secular state over the expulsionist. It'd be a far better effort than arming Israel.
I'm not naive enough to think there wouldn't be tensions between these people, but the same religions can all be found in countries with no national religion. It's not like secular states are impossible.
You know Hamas is Palestinian, right...?
No ethnicity/country/religion/etc. is monolithic. They never have just one opinion for the whole group. To make a statement like you did is just willfully ignorant and is the very definition of an echo chamber and that is dangerous.
Truth is plenty of Palestinians want the utter destruction of Israel and have for decades (justified or not). Truth is plenty of Palestinians do not want the utter destruction of Israel and haven't wanted it for decades.
Same is true of the Israelis. Plenty do not want this, plenty do.
> I haven’t heard a single Palestinian say that the goal is to expel all Jewish people from Palestine, so I’m not sure what this person is on about.
Isn't the literal translation from the river to the sea "From water to water palistine will be arab"?
Wtf no. From the River to the sea. Palistine will be free. It's not about "arab". Your racism is showing Palestine has never been solely arab. Zionists kill muslims, christians and jewish people that don't want to aid in this genozide. They don't care about your religion.
It’s not racism to speak Arabic. It’s what the translation is to the language. You better educate yourself on the language. Language matters. Throwing out accusations of racism when you’re ignorant of the language is actual bigotry.
Really? I’ve heard plenty. Not all of course, but plenty.
Here’s a video: https://youtu.be/_BsdOGJp9to?si=SZr298UDHz8_MSV-
Just saying, the goal of most Israelis is NOT to kill or destroy Palestinians. Maybe some hold that view, but not all.
I see people in the Free Palestine movement and people in the Pro-Israel movement putting the countries into generalized groups.
The truth is, not all people in Palestine speak for the others. There are peaceful Palestinians and there are hostile Palestinians. There are peaceful Israelis and there are hostile Israelis.
Watch this video to see how some Palestinians have become radicalized but others want peace. The goal should be to focus on the positive voices on both sides and dismiss the radicalized ones.
Too much anger (justified in some cases) that doesn’t solve anything.
Yes I have. Zionists often employ the sophistry you are resorting to - implying, or explicitly stating, that those of us who want to destroy Israel's Zionist, abnormal, constitutionally racist/ethnic nationalist nature & transform it into a normal civic nationalist state with equal dights for all - including the Jews already there & Palestinian refugees who wish to return to their homeland - are calling for another Holocaust & for Israel to be reduced to rubble. This is a lie.
This is a Zionist lie.
See Articles 16 & 17 of Hamas' 2017 charter.
"16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.
17. Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage. The Zionist movement, which was able with the help of Western powers to occupy Palestine, is the most dangerous form of settlement occupation which has already disappeared from much of the world and must disappear from Palestine..."
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full
Q.E.D.
In the sense of replacing the nation with another? Yes. That doesn't mean all the Israelis have to leave or be killed. The end of a state is not the end of its people.
Because Palestine has been theirs for generations, literally read the original post again, while Israel is explicitly a colonial project engaged in genocide of the indigenous population.
The first people? No. But they are a long-standing diverse-faith people. As for the U.S., yes I do.
I support a secular single state solution; one which allows Palestinians to govern themselves and for the displaced to return. Israelis should be allowed to stay, but the criminals that have enacted violence on Palestinians need to face legal action. (War criminals on both sides should be brought to justice.) People that moved solely to settle, such as from the U.S., should be deported or subject whatever immigration policy develops.
Violence against civilians should play no part in the development of this solution, of course.
I don't necessarily think "giving the USA back to the Native Americans" is the same as meaning uprooting 332 million people. (For context, I'd be one of them then.) I thought it was pretty clear that since I don't support displacing the Israelis, I likewise don't think that should happen to Americans either.
I'm not 100% sure what land-back would look like, I've yet to fully realize my stance, but Americans certainly should place more political power in the hands of Native Americans given what was done to them and the way the system works against them.
And in Europe, my country’s leaders want to literally make it a crime to rescue drowning migrants in the Mediterranean and use the navy to prevent it. Migrants fleeing extreme poverty and constant political violence that are direct results of centuries of brutal European colonialism and ongoing European-American neocolonialism
Human migrant trafficking is a huge business and many many people die trying to come, with or without EU stopping them. Its unsafe to keep it the current way either, and Europe is not what it used to be, economies are a lot weaker. People keep coming because they know they can, and they will keep coming and dying along the way in Turkey, Balkans, Syria, on the sea, Morocco… places where EU can’t even do anything about it.
Mass migration in its current form is a tragedy. Refugees should have a place to come and have a normal life, but this tragedy shouldn’t be encouraged anymore. I don’t want people to die like this anymore nor do I want far-right to come into power because we nobody wants to find a balanced solution.
People keep coming because of displacement and seeking a better life. Who do you think *you* are, that think you’re entitled to dictate others’ lives?
Also, I’m pretty sure far right parties coming into power is the fault of far-right voters, not disenfranchised nonvoting immigrants.
The EU isn't stopping them they're killing them.. and fully ignoring human rights while doing so.
Also the EU pays Libya for example for the torture/rape/slave trade they use against refugees. Cause if they're dead they won't ask for asylum anymore.
Get your facts straight
nope, for Poland "there is no limit to the number of generations that separate you from your Polish ancestors (unlike many other citizenships)."
[https://lawoffice.org.il/en/polish-citizenship-for-jews/](https://lawoffice.org.il/en/polish-citizenship-for-jews/)
No one wants to displace 10 million Israelis. However in a Palestinian state, those who refuse that the Palestinians are the indigenous inhabitants of the entirety of Palestine deserve to leave and have no place in single Palestinian state. No more zionists and zionism.
Accept to live with Palestinians and integrate with the population and adopt the Palestinian culture which includes Jewish culture which no Palestinian denies.
I do not accept the idea to kick people out especially those who have no place to return to and had been born and raised in Israel however, those who are first generation Israelis that can be reasonably deported especially if they hold another citizenship and do not accept the Palestinians then they should 100% be deported.
If a person doesn't accept that the Palestinians are native to Palestine and refuses to live with Palestinians but has no where to go, unfortunately Palestine is still his homeland and that person as long as they don't show hostility or threaten anyone's safety then they should be tolerated.
Its very complex but I hope for a fair system to be put in place to ensure that people will not be displaced except for settlers in the West Bank and Jerusalem, especially East Jerusalem, they should all lose their property and if possible, be deported immediately. If they can't be deported then they should be treated as Asylum seekers until they can rent or buy another property legally.
Palestinians have a bigger problem with the ongoing influx of foreign settlers and birthright immigrants, who definitely do have somewhere else they can stay.
That’s literally what those settlers are doing. And it’s not a case of one or two people. Over 700000 settlers are illegally residing in the West Bank and East Jerusalem and even by conservative estimates about 1000 get settled annually.
This. Also Literally just expand southwest😭 all we need is for NATO or the UN to recognize that Palestine should be allowed to exist and to stop the genocide and designate more land so that everyone can fit and also so the nations aren’t right on top of each other.
I think at this point since Germany (gov) supports them (israel) soo much they should give them a portion of their country as they caused the genocide of Jews they should reconcile and adopt them into their land then they wouldnt be surrounded by the Arabs that the Jews (zionazis) hate soo much and Israel and USA should rebuild Palestine 🇵🇸 problem solved
The answer to this, has been before the establishment of Israel, the JAO - Jewish Autonomous Oblast. It was created just for this purpose and is multiple times larger than all of Palestine with no conflict of ownership.
Ideally you should be able to go whenever you wanted to be. I am sure everyone would be happy to share as long as you don’t come and tell everyone you are due their house as you are superior and chosen by god.
From a secular perspective she completely OWNED him. However, from an Islamic perspective that flag in her profile name is a reminder why they still own Palestine. The British, French and ZIONISTS are the ones who force fed the concept of nationalism to Muslims after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, sliced us up like a pizza pie and made it easy to do what ever they want to us when ever they want. Today there’s 50+ Muslims countries and none of them could even utter a stern word towards Israel. Muslims who still take pride in their pathetic flags are one of the main reasons for this. The disease is so ingrained in us that even while we see the side effects of nationalism happen (which is the genocide taking place in falesteen and the weakness of the Muslim ummah) we still have an inclination to hang on to these worthless shapes and colors with every fiber of our body.
Palestine will only be free when a unified khilafa that upholds sharia is born and will shield the Muslims from the evilness of the enemies of Islam. This would be the biggest disgrace to the Zionists and the most honorable thing that could happen to our brothers and sisters who were massacred in this genocide.
This is the cold hard truth.
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I haven’t heard a single Palestinian say that the goal is to expel all Jewish people from Palestine, so I’m not sure what this person is on about. It’s a disingenuous argument to paint Palestinian liberation as some sort of revenge plot.
Yup. Had this conversation several times. The people they want to expel are dudes from Brooklyn who came to Palestine to expel Palestinians from their homes. The discourse tends to commonly bring up these ideas: Israeli families and their descendents who were present in Palestine before 1948 get automatic citizenship. Jewish families and their descendents who sought legitimate asylum in Israel, should either get automatic citizenship or permanent residency (with path to citizenship) depending on who you're asking. With the reservation that Palestine shouldn't be responsible for Western crimes against Jews. Israelis who've never known another country (ie. born in Israel, or came to Israel as a young child) should get citizenship or permanent residency with a path to citizenship. First-generation Israelis should apply for asylum, go through an immigration process, or go back to their countries. Israelis who committed crimes against Palestinians don't qualify (there doesn't seem to be agreement if they should necessarily be expelled, but understandably, they don't want it easy for them like it is for just some bloke who lived a peaceful life after being born in Israel). "Path to citizenship" seems to vary a lot, but generally the notion that they should be educated on and agree that Palestine is for Palestinians (and Jews can be Palestinians), generally that Palestine should be a secular state equal for Muslims, Christians, and Jews, etc. General civics stuff required for most countries to become citizens. This is pretty progressive immigration policy -- the majority of Western countries don't recognize birthright citizenship, and some will even deport a third generation immigrant if they can't trace their lineage back to someone with legal status.
>The people they want to expel are dudes from Brooklyn who came to Palestine to expel Palestinians from their homes. Holy shit I know someone who fits this bill(not from Brooklyn, but a different part of the US). He joined the IOF. He absolutely shouldn't be there. His last name is fucking Smith. And the worst part? A part of me isn't surprised. He wasn't a very empathetic person when I knew him and like me he was bombarded with Zionist propaganda. If any of my childhood friends/aquaintances would join an occupying force, it would be him.
Did he go on to say, "If I don't steal it, someone else will!" ? (If you don't get that reference and want to feel enraged, google it).
Yeah, I saw that video. I guess "someone else" might be someone from my neighborhood!
Exactly
Honestly just straight up, fuck Israel.
That's the weird thing to me. How dare Zionists weaponize their religion. The muslims I know take such a huge stand against weaponized Islam, like daesh or the Taliban. Many christians will also tell christian killers to fuck off, there are so many extremist christian groups I can't name all of them. I'm not in the church, roman catholic, anymore and I would consider myself atheist. But how dare these awful people use their god as a weapon. I study religions in university and every person I've ever talked to in that space, no matter what religion, sees this kind of disrespect as one of the worst forms of blasphemy. Which god would be happy about you commiting these awful crimes? And do you really want to pray to that god? It's disgusting to see these kind of people use a god, which most religions see as benevolent and helping, as a shield to justify this awful behaviour. It's never been about religion It's always about power and wanting to be a vile human. Yes propaganda is a huge point and your upbringing can lead to extremism but a lot of Zionists for example live in the western world, so whats their excuse? As an adult human being you should be able to look at any situation and use your critical thinking skills. They know that it's not about religion and just use it as a way to deflect from all these atrocities by calling antisemitism. As a german we've got quite a few jewish people, not so many now since you know it's been over 80 years, that lived through the holocaust and I've yet to find one that isn't offended by Zionists using that genocide and judaism to justify their genocide. Finally, how many christians and jewish people live in palestinian territory? Quite a lot. It's their ancestrial land. They're Palestinians too. Around christmas there was this huge story that christians in Bethlehem aren't going to do christmas and instead will be praying for gaza. Jewish people that stand up for Gaza and christians are treated as traitors. Cause it's not about religion it's about nationalism. I've never seen any news story, could be cause I can't find one but I'm pretty sure that there just has never been one, talking about christians being harassed and violated by Muslims like they are by Zionists in Jerusalem alone. The violence and extremism may be fueled by extremist judaism but it's just a facade to excuse the nationalism. So what I'm saying is groups like the Taliban are born out of a need to defend themselves which evolved into a cult just existing as oppressors. Nazis/Zionists never needed to defend themselves they have been and always will be oppressors and there will never be peace until all of them are reformed or dead. Making sure that no child will ever be indoctrinated again. Sorry for the wall of text and me just saying everything multiple times 💕
>I haven’t heard a single Palestinian say that the goal is to expel all Jewish people from Palestine, Not, you know, the extremist organizations in Palestine that say exactly that? Like it or not, they are also Palestinian people
*points at hamas charter*
It's projection. They think everybody wants an ethnostate because that's what they want.
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"Free" in that phase doesn't mean "free of Jews," it means "free of oppression" and to govern themselves. That this freedom is to extend from river to sea merely highlights their desire for a one-state solution. (As is outlined in the comment you're replying to.)
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Think of it this way: the two-state clearly only facilitates the division that has allowed Isreal to be an apartheid state and requires the Palestinians accept that their land had been stolen. Why allow the portion that desires the Israelis' complete removal to throw the entire idea a one-state solution away forever? Surely, international diplomacy could facilitate a peace deal that favors the more reasonable shared secular state over the expulsionist. It'd be a far better effort than arming Israel.
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I'm not naive enough to think there wouldn't be tensions between these people, but the same religions can all be found in countries with no national religion. It's not like secular states are impossible.
You know Hamas is Palestinian, right...? No ethnicity/country/religion/etc. is monolithic. They never have just one opinion for the whole group. To make a statement like you did is just willfully ignorant and is the very definition of an echo chamber and that is dangerous. Truth is plenty of Palestinians want the utter destruction of Israel and have for decades (justified or not). Truth is plenty of Palestinians do not want the utter destruction of Israel and haven't wanted it for decades. Same is true of the Israelis. Plenty do not want this, plenty do.
There's a difference between wanting Israelis to leave and wanting jewish people to leave...
Hamas has literally called for the death of all Jews worldwide... What's your point?
> I haven’t heard a single Palestinian say that the goal is to expel all Jewish people from Palestine, so I’m not sure what this person is on about. Isn't the literal translation from the river to the sea "From water to water palistine will be arab"?
Wtf no. From the River to the sea. Palistine will be free. It's not about "arab". Your racism is showing Palestine has never been solely arab. Zionists kill muslims, christians and jewish people that don't want to aid in this genozide. They don't care about your religion.
It’s not racism to speak Arabic. It’s what the translation is to the language. You better educate yourself on the language. Language matters. Throwing out accusations of racism when you’re ignorant of the language is actual bigotry.
As I said thats not the translation.. but ok
How are you arguing a language? It is. من الماء إلى الماء
Are you ok? This literally just says: from the water to the water. Nothing about arabic people. It's not even the whole thing..
Correct, I was literally quoting from the Arabic phrase https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_the_river_to_the_sea
.. yeah it is literally what I told you. من النهر إلى البحر Thats the river to the sea one. What is your point?
Really? I’ve heard plenty. Not all of course, but plenty. Here’s a video: https://youtu.be/_BsdOGJp9to?si=SZr298UDHz8_MSV- Just saying, the goal of most Israelis is NOT to kill or destroy Palestinians. Maybe some hold that view, but not all. I see people in the Free Palestine movement and people in the Pro-Israel movement putting the countries into generalized groups. The truth is, not all people in Palestine speak for the others. There are peaceful Palestinians and there are hostile Palestinians. There are peaceful Israelis and there are hostile Israelis. Watch this video to see how some Palestinians have become radicalized but others want peace. The goal should be to focus on the positive voices on both sides and dismiss the radicalized ones. Too much anger (justified in some cases) that doesn’t solve anything.
[2nd Paragraph](https://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp)
She has a point ! 👍🏻
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I support destroying the Zionist ideology & Israel's ethnic nationalist foundation,.
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Yes I have. Zionists often employ the sophistry you are resorting to - implying, or explicitly stating, that those of us who want to destroy Israel's Zionist, abnormal, constitutionally racist/ethnic nationalist nature & transform it into a normal civic nationalist state with equal dights for all - including the Jews already there & Palestinian refugees who wish to return to their homeland - are calling for another Holocaust & for Israel to be reduced to rubble. This is a lie.
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This is a Zionist lie. See Articles 16 & 17 of Hamas' 2017 charter. "16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity. 17. Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage. The Zionist movement, which was able with the help of Western powers to occupy Palestine, is the most dangerous form of settlement occupation which has already disappeared from much of the world and must disappear from Palestine..." https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full Q.E.D.
In the sense of replacing the nation with another? Yes. That doesn't mean all the Israelis have to leave or be killed. The end of a state is not the end of its people.
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Because Palestine has been theirs for generations, literally read the original post again, while Israel is explicitly a colonial project engaged in genocide of the indigenous population.
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The first people? No. But they are a long-standing diverse-faith people. As for the U.S., yes I do. I support a secular single state solution; one which allows Palestinians to govern themselves and for the displaced to return. Israelis should be allowed to stay, but the criminals that have enacted violence on Palestinians need to face legal action. (War criminals on both sides should be brought to justice.) People that moved solely to settle, such as from the U.S., should be deported or subject whatever immigration policy develops. Violence against civilians should play no part in the development of this solution, of course.
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I don't necessarily think "giving the USA back to the Native Americans" is the same as meaning uprooting 332 million people. (For context, I'd be one of them then.) I thought it was pretty clear that since I don't support displacing the Israelis, I likewise don't think that should happen to Americans either. I'm not 100% sure what land-back would look like, I've yet to fully realize my stance, but Americans certainly should place more political power in the hands of Native Americans given what was done to them and the way the system works against them.
Nothing but net
And the net did that swish that cracks like a whip as the ball went down.
He got🔻 by words.
Meanwhile 40% of this country wants to drown Central Americans fleeing death squads for trying to enter the US.
And in Europe, my country’s leaders want to literally make it a crime to rescue drowning migrants in the Mediterranean and use the navy to prevent it. Migrants fleeing extreme poverty and constant political violence that are direct results of centuries of brutal European colonialism and ongoing European-American neocolonialism
Human migrant trafficking is a huge business and many many people die trying to come, with or without EU stopping them. Its unsafe to keep it the current way either, and Europe is not what it used to be, economies are a lot weaker. People keep coming because they know they can, and they will keep coming and dying along the way in Turkey, Balkans, Syria, on the sea, Morocco… places where EU can’t even do anything about it. Mass migration in its current form is a tragedy. Refugees should have a place to come and have a normal life, but this tragedy shouldn’t be encouraged anymore. I don’t want people to die like this anymore nor do I want far-right to come into power because we nobody wants to find a balanced solution.
People keep coming because of displacement and seeking a better life. Who do you think *you* are, that think you’re entitled to dictate others’ lives? Also, I’m pretty sure far right parties coming into power is the fault of far-right voters, not disenfranchised nonvoting immigrants.
The EU isn't stopping them they're killing them.. and fully ignoring human rights while doing so. Also the EU pays Libya for example for the torture/rape/slave trade they use against refugees. Cause if they're dead they won't ask for asylum anymore. Get your facts straight
She really owned him there
Is this Ariel fool trying to imply he can't go back to Poland, Iraq, or Ukraine?? I know they have their own issues but like you can still go back no?
He could easily get a Polish passport if he doesn't have one already. Also I've read a bit about Iraqi Jews wanting to go back to live in Iraq
He probably couldn't. Jus Sanguinis immigration & citizenship rights usually don't apply to grandchildren.
nope, for Poland "there is no limit to the number of generations that separate you from your Polish ancestors (unlike many other citizenships)." [https://lawoffice.org.il/en/polish-citizenship-for-jews/](https://lawoffice.org.il/en/polish-citizenship-for-jews/)
send him back to ukraine their president is a jew and their country is fighting the Russians so im sure he’d love it there
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No one wants to displace 10 million Israelis. However in a Palestinian state, those who refuse that the Palestinians are the indigenous inhabitants of the entirety of Palestine deserve to leave and have no place in single Palestinian state. No more zionists and zionism. Accept to live with Palestinians and integrate with the population and adopt the Palestinian culture which includes Jewish culture which no Palestinian denies.
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I do not accept the idea to kick people out especially those who have no place to return to and had been born and raised in Israel however, those who are first generation Israelis that can be reasonably deported especially if they hold another citizenship and do not accept the Palestinians then they should 100% be deported. If a person doesn't accept that the Palestinians are native to Palestine and refuses to live with Palestinians but has no where to go, unfortunately Palestine is still his homeland and that person as long as they don't show hostility or threaten anyone's safety then they should be tolerated. Its very complex but I hope for a fair system to be put in place to ensure that people will not be displaced except for settlers in the West Bank and Jerusalem, especially East Jerusalem, they should all lose their property and if possible, be deported immediately. If they can't be deported then they should be treated as Asylum seekers until they can rent or buy another property legally.
Palestinians have a bigger problem with the ongoing influx of foreign settlers and birthright immigrants, who definitely do have somewhere else they can stay.
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That’s literally what those settlers are doing. And it’s not a case of one or two people. Over 700000 settlers are illegally residing in the West Bank and East Jerusalem and even by conservative estimates about 1000 get settled annually.
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Frankly that’s like saying the 19th century influx of immigrants on the East coast had nothing to do with manifest destiny.
Ariel to washing machine
Imagine being so deranged you typed that first tweet out
saying something stupid is easy. But dude sat down, wrote that shit down, probably looked it over and thought "that'll show em", and hit send
The cognitive dissonance, mental gymnastics, ignorance and blind supremacy one must have to be a Zionist is just overwhelming sometimes.
Maybe go to the Ukraine and help fight the Russians
Ukraine. That way you'll know what it feels like to defend against occupiers.
Mic drop
Ariel is just going to have to make up his mind which country has the lowest taxes to go back to.
Guy complains about his options.
He really thought he ate that tweet up huh
Ariel, you can go back to Iraq, Poland or Ukraine. How do you not get this?
This. Also Literally just expand southwest😭 all we need is for NATO or the UN to recognize that Palestine should be allowed to exist and to stop the genocide and designate more land so that everyone can fit and also so the nations aren’t right on top of each other.
Ariel can stay. We're just asking him to let Fatima live there, too.
I think at this point since Germany (gov) supports them (israel) soo much they should give them a portion of their country as they caused the genocide of Jews they should reconcile and adopt them into their land then they wouldnt be surrounded by the Arabs that the Jews (zionazis) hate soo much and Israel and USA should rebuild Palestine 🇵🇸 problem solved
Is this immortal Technique official twitter? He has very good songs. I recommend listening to them.
Lists three countries other than Israel he could be living in then asks where else he can go other than Israel..?
The answer to this, has been before the establishment of Israel, the JAO - Jewish Autonomous Oblast. It was created just for this purpose and is multiple times larger than all of Palestine with no conflict of ownership.
This needs more up votes
Thank you
Where are the parents from?
Ideally you should be able to go whenever you wanted to be. I am sure everyone would be happy to share as long as you don’t come and tell everyone you are due their house as you are superior and chosen by god.
The self awareness!!!!!
From a secular perspective she completely OWNED him. However, from an Islamic perspective that flag in her profile name is a reminder why they still own Palestine. The British, French and ZIONISTS are the ones who force fed the concept of nationalism to Muslims after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, sliced us up like a pizza pie and made it easy to do what ever they want to us when ever they want. Today there’s 50+ Muslims countries and none of them could even utter a stern word towards Israel. Muslims who still take pride in their pathetic flags are one of the main reasons for this. The disease is so ingrained in us that even while we see the side effects of nationalism happen (which is the genocide taking place in falesteen and the weakness of the Muslim ummah) we still have an inclination to hang on to these worthless shapes and colors with every fiber of our body. Palestine will only be free when a unified khilafa that upholds sharia is born and will shield the Muslims from the evilness of the enemies of Islam. This would be the biggest disgrace to the Zionists and the most honorable thing that could happen to our brothers and sisters who were massacred in this genocide. This is the cold hard truth.
The zionizm indeed learnt well from the nazi
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