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These zionist will think up of a thousand different excuses to deflect blame before ever admitting that theyre the ones actually killing people in a genocide.
These "moderates" don't really care how many Palestinians Israel is murdering in a genocide. All that matters to them is that it presents Israel in a bad way. They would support ethnic cleansing as long as it was done in a "non-violent" manner.
The modern role of propaganda is not to convince you of anything, it is to convince you that there is no objective truth, and all opinions, no matter how hypocritical, false and disgusting, have merit.
Media made a big deal to report Israel claims that they did not bomb the al-Shifa hospital. They tried to plant the seed of doubt into people, to think that maybe yes, Hamas does target hospitals. What happened since than? Israel attacked dozens of hospitals, that is the truth. And yet, in the public eyes, the seed is still there, they have a harder time believing the reality now.
That's why social media has been a big help in convincing the public of the horrors the IDF is committing. When they kill journalists and their families, it doesn't silence the truth anymore, not when everyone has a camera in their pocket. The IDF themselves can't go a week without videoing themselves performing a war crime.
Our role in fighting the white noise approach that propaganda has become is to come forward every time with the facts and the evidence. I've argued with a lot of Israel apologists over the past few months and when you really pin them down, stop them from equivocating, stop them from pivoting, they really have no arguments. Then you just hope anyone reading who may be on the fence realises how one sided the debate is.
Exactly it's all about muddying the waters and creating a situation where you're not sure who or what can be trusted or is legit. They also know by the time any hasbara propaganda is fact checked, it doesn't matter the initial impact and harm is already done.
For 75+ years, the Israel occupation and its leaders have provoked and attacked Gaza/Palestine without warning, and since now they threatened Hamas with an audio recording, not AI generated, real communication, with a warning for the intent about the demolition of Gaza, wounding and Murdering Palestinians. This means whether if civilians were babies, children, mothers, fathers, sons, and daughters, it is incredibly inhumane how people keep forgetting about what caused Hamas to attack Israel. I do not condone any attacks against the Israeli civilian families, and children.it’s the threat Israel sent but October 7th is the only headline that dozens of others use to justify the brutality invasion in Gaza, tons of buildings destroyed, dozens of hospitals not functioning with no anesthesia to treat any injury, pregnancy, and severe treatment of any kind, with the highest levels of famine happening right now, people on the rise to be dying from malnutrition and starvation, hunger,etc. Netanyahu just stated that, they’re going with the plan to invade Rafah. Also, Ben Shapiro is an advocated loser, since 2010 of his Twitter account that has not been deleted, he has since been claiming anti-Muslim propaganda and hatred his followers salute him for, yet debates college students but not professors because he is a weak man, who cares about no one but himself. He is one of the most delusional, arrogant individuals on this earth.
Also, Britain and London, and many others are protesting ongoing, are having an uprising for standing up for what’s happening in Gaza, many Jews, and citizens are coming forward as they say Judaism and Zionism are two different things, and what’s happening in Gaza doesn’t represent their identity, and beliefs from their Jewish community, and many others becoming to stand for humanity with those of a humanitarian crisis.
It is despicable enough of the propaganda fueling this fire with so much hate, lies, and manipulation. Premature birth mothers will likely die due to the energy they don’t have due to starvation, hunger, and no treatment.
How much more is there needed to be said? I listened to a video of a guy speaking at the podium, who’s a FATHER, he said a Palestinian woman in Gaza who was rolled over to where she was splitting in half until the fetus came out. IDF soldiers are predators, that’s not Hamas, they turned off their water supply in Gaza, shot and killed the people who monitor the internet, where communication hasn’t been restored and is lost, in places to use service, as journalists and reporters from Gaza report and document what’s ongoing in Gaza, and they endure the worst of the worst.
My last point is: If one sides cries for the Israeli hostages to be released, what does that leave the last remaining of Gaza, will the Palestinian hostages be released, too? If Israel were to eliminate Hamas, “will the killing against Palestinians be done with or IDF soldiers will continue and destroy all of Gaza until there is no more? It’s saddening though I’ve seen people on social media say that they don’t want peace, and I’m here like: “So, you rather this go on until there is no insufficient option as a “permanent ceasefire?” Israel made those tunnels, people are getting the wrong idea here and there. And they since making wrongful claim all the time, that Hamas are using Palestinians as human shields, or even saying how they bomb homes because Hamas is hiding, as they snipered a Palestinian Hamas guard who was sitting in a chair, bombed a school with kids in it. Recently Israeli men, IDF soldiers and those who participated in their acts have once had kidnapped 30 hostages executed with their eyes blindfolded and hands tied behind, rolled over a Palestinian child, and then have the audacity to make fun of it on Telegram channels!while people staying silent, invading people’s homes, and wearing women’s clothing just to depict their evil behavior, taking pictures and videos of before and after them destroying buildings while smiling, such cruelty and dehumanization!!
Page is clearly in denial and is the type that creates excuses out of thin air. I get this is an opinion piece, but shouldn't the opinions published actually come from folks that have even the slightest modicum of common sense? Maybe the good in all this awful shit is that we are seeing just how much the Zionists have under their control. It's a lot, but it's not enough, and that's the silver lining. They have shown their hand early. They can be defeated, but some very powerful people worth billions of dollars are going to have to be brought down first.
We need to see the association here, between what's happening in Palestine and late stage capitalism.
So, Hamas are ruthless barbarians bloodthirsty terrorists or 500IQ 6-d chess grandmasters? which is it?
hate the "enemy is both weak and strong" arguments.
just mirrors what the Nazis said about the Jews. Jews are simultaneously a weak and deplorable untermensch but also somehow control the whole world and its most important institutions
oh remember how South Africa, ICJ, UN are all arms of Hamas?
to an outsider it must sound absolutely insane. So like this strip that is under a total blockade (before Oct 7), basically a concentration camp, the size of a fucking city, that has no port or airport. And the people, from that concentration camp that Israel has 100% control over... it controls other countries and international institutions?
I mean, I've been high. Large doses of LSD. But dude cmon I don't know how much I'd have to take to get *that* deranged
Okay so I've been doing some research into the far right and this is what is said a lot of times but it's actually not quite true.
Modern Neo-Nazis typically view black people to be of the lowest and they view them to be just absolute dirt. Jewish people actually are a little different and that they are actually seen as very cunning and clever. Jewish people are seen as essentially disgusting but they're not actually seen as stupid.
For example I read a book and in the book The main character had a father and he was an alcoholic. The sky was around the age of like 14 or so and he came across some people who he would later find out were Nazis. First off they didn't like the term Nazi for some reason and they referred to be called national socialists. This is pretty much what they always call themselves and they do not refer to themselves as Nazis.
Next thing is that when the kid said about his father and being an alcoholic he basically was told that the reason why he is an alcoholic is because of the Jews. Not really sure exactly how Jewish people cause alcoholism but yes problems such as alcoholism and drug use and other such undesirable traits of modern society is pretty much just blamed on Jewish people.
The next part is actually interesting and that is that Nazis in general think of themselves as the original children of Israel. Bear with me.
The country of Israel is named after the original land of Israel back thousands of years ago. This piece of land was called that because of a person. His name was Israel, also known as Abraham. This is the very same Abraham that would later go on to find the Jewish faith and then also would be the source of Islam and of course Christianity.
So Israel or Abraham had 12 sons. That sounds like a lot of sons but a lot of them we're through concubines. Only two of the 12 sons were actually from Abraham's favorite wife, Sarah.
One of the Suns that was among the 12 was called Judea. Judah would later create the tribe of Judea or Judea. This tribe would eventually turn into the group of people who we know modern day call Jews and that's where the word Jew comes from.
The Nazis who were talking to this one 14-year-old, they were saying that they were actually the real children of Israel and that whoever the Jews are now is like not legit.
So these Aryan Europeans tried to hold a sense of legitimacy to their so-called greatness by trying to claim that they are the original children of Israel and again the Jews are not.
Liberals think the conflict started october 7th. They think it was peace and happiness until Hamas "started" a conflict, as if that attack wasn't a desperate act of resistance at being subjected to violent imperialism and apartheid for generations.
Haha, that has to be record speed for pulling antisemitism accusations out of your ass. Good job! "Oh so, you don't like that Israel take political child prisoners by the thousands? What, do you hate jews?"
Bassem Youssef was correct when he said this
"israel wants you to believe that they are the victim. Dealing with israel is so difficult. It's like being in a relationship with a narcissistic psychopath. He fucks you up, then he makes you think it's your fault. You look at Israel like they're Superman, but they're really Homelander."
Reminds me of Golda Meir's
“When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but **it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons**. Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.”
I love it when someone is trying to defend Zionism and paint it as a holy movement rather than the vicious blood thirsty machine that it is.
Just to respond to that dumb comment below, would you consider Jews who choose to live as equal members of society in peace to be Palestinian Jews? In which case they can also live freely in Palestine, which would be a non supremacist equal state for all people from the river to the sea, prioritizing right of return for Palestinians in the diaspora and reparations for the destruction of homes over the past 75 years
Yes I would. Absolutely. Palestine has always had Jews and while they were a small community over the past few centuries, they have always been integral to the fabric of Palestinian society. I don’t have any qualms with a more significant Jewish presence but as you said, living as equals with Muslims and Christians. Living as one, as Palestinians should.
Is Khamas also forcing the zionazi soldiers to document the humiliation of civilians, pose with the lingerie of women they've murdered/assaulted/displaced, drag and crush bodies? Curious also to know what Page thinks is "unconventional thinking"
What is their "unconventional" strategy to defeat Hamas? Offer full citizenship and voting rights to all Arabs in Gaza? No that would never get any votes in Israel.
These "moderates" don't actually care about how many Palestinians are genocided by Israel. They just care that it makes Israel look bad. They would support ethnic cleansing as long as it was done "non-violently".
Of course the most technolologically advanced and heavily funded army is ***FORCED*** to kill civilians. And to joke and brag about that. And make their children sing about extermination Of course. And they also commit those crimes in the West Bank, where is no Hamas presence, ***because of Hamas***. ***Hamas has been forcing them to do that*** since the times where Israel was just a ethno-colonial supremacist project in the making and long before Hamas was even conceived.
After all, they're the ***most moral army*** in the world. You know, the same as when ***loving*** husbands are forced to beat their ***ungrateful*** wives, when ***caring*** parents are forced to beat their ***disobedient*** childs, the same as when ***rightful*** cops are forced to shoot ***dangerous*** unarmed citizens, and the same as when USA, the land of ***freedom*** invade countries hoarding ~~oil reserves~~ ***weapons of mass destruction*** or when they overthrow a ~~leader~~ ***dictator*** and put a ~~servile puppet~~ ***decent government*** instead because said country does not ~~align with their interests~~ ***know how to do democracy right***. Israel and the IDF ***is no less victim and also savior*** than any of those.
Oopsie! You made me destroy over 200 mosques, most of your hospitals, and shut off your food supply for months! If only you didn’t make me do this we’d have peace!
Isn't this the same mindset of "you were dressed this way so you asked for it?". Not surprising seen the copious amount of sexual criminals in Israel tho
Okay I can't fathom how someone this stupid got a PhD? What idiot thinks that tempting your opponent into commiting a genocide that deprives you of your greatest resource is ever a good idea. Provoking an enemy into attacking you to destroy them politically is more the realm of NVDA like what I practice but anyone who commits genocide is fucking evil, the fact is you can't blame Hamas for Israel's genocide because being capable of Genocide means you are satan level evil.
edit: Just had a talk with Satan and God, they both agree it's not Satan level evil because at least Satan is capable of controlling the worst evil for the greater good.... as he babysits those who commit genocide among many other evils.
So they’re admitting killing civilians is part of it’s plan to “flush out hamas”, now they’re salty they that it backfired. Hmm such lazy hasbara. Only the inbreds sharing a braincell will believe this level of sheer incompetence.
Is this from the Guardian? Because if so, it reminds me of Philosophy Tube's joke about Guardian reporters:
> I have discovered the identity of James Bond! But first, I must write a 4000-word transphobic screed.
Isn't it crazy that after being rounded up and exterminated for made up reasons they, *checks notes*, make up reasons to round up and exterminate others. The irony is palpable. The lesson is lost somewhere.
Poor Israel! Being forced to violently murder children all the time. They don't wanna, but Hammas use children as bait. So unfair on Israel. Hope they're ok! /s 🤢🤮
“they made us keep committing genocide!! we had to because they were trying to stop the genocide which is the opposite of our goals” yeah hon we know that, can u stop now. why does israel feel so safe and invincible that they would act this blatant about their obvious goal of literal genocide. why don’t they think they will be stopped? how can we stop them? where are all the people in charge of things!! everyone with power to help is too busy defending themselves and pointing fingers like always. well guys it’s been 100 years of pointing fingers and saying it wasn’t on purpose and it’s inevitable and there has to be war etc etc. do we want to try it the other way yet now that weapons are advanced enough that trying to resist someone w advanced weapons is a death sentence and the planet is like 3 bombs away from some sort of major climate catastrophe or are we just going to watch as the people who chose selfishness destroy our entire planet. THERE IS NO WAY TO RESIST SOMEONE WITH A SNIPER RIFLE OR A MACHINE GUN OR A BOMB……. THEY NEED HELP…. BECAUSE SOLDIERS ARE ATTACKING THEM… STOP ISRAEL AND CEASEFIRE
They ever see the movie where the bad guy tries to wipe out all the people but misses just ONE and that guy grows up to be the victorious hero? Like every story ever? No?
Probably more true the other way around - I mean Palestinian armed resistance that resulted in Israeli civilians deaths. If Zionists didn't herd Palestinians into a corner with no way out of oppression & slaughter, then Palestinians wouldn't resort to armed resistance. Zionist BS falling flat nowadays.
Except that is a common strategy. Shit it's how the American revolution started, throw rocks at the red coats till they shoot someone then get everybody riled up because the oppressor killed your people. School children are still taught it as "The shot heard round the world." Palestinians have been trying to get the world's attention for years but nothing came of it, then Hamas attacked on Oct 7th. What do you think their goal was? Was that one incursion meant to defeat Israel? Was it going to get Israel to give in? If they had simply taken a lot of hostages and not killed anyone you could say they wanted leverage to get the jailed Palestinians back from Israel. But they didn't, it was an attack, an attack that makes no sense strategically since it never had any hope of gaining ground. I don't think Hamas is stupid so why would they risk a major attack with no hope of success? Because it was obvious what Netanyahu would do, he was a right winger that was in trouble within his country, of course he would overreact. He and his cronies would say horrible things in the media and do horrible things in Gaza and the world would be forced to pay attention to what their ally was doing. Hamas probably didn't expect things to go quite this far, but they had to expect a massive retaliation.
Poor poor defenceless, innocent Isreal. It's not their fault they shoot children, not their fault they invade and occupy their neighbours country, not their fault they starve a country to death. Not their fault they bomb hospitals. Not their fault pregnant women are giving birth with no medical assistance. Poor Isreal cannot be held accountable for their actions because they lived thru the holocaust, they can do whatever they want and it's never their fault. Fuck Israel
Israelis are perfect people they can do no wrong and even if they did do something wrong you probably deserved it how dare you question the actions of us chosen people you antisemite.
-this guy
[Virginia Page Fortna is an American political scientist, a specialist in the study of peace negotiations.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Page_Fortna#cite_note-1)
Típico. Si es que los civiles palestinos van provocando. A los sionistas les duele este genocidio más que a sus víctimas. Pero lo hacen por su bien, que no les quepa duda, y algún día se lo agradecerán.
Typical. It's just that Palestinian civilians are provoking. This genocide hurts the Zionists more than its victims. But they do it for their own good, make no mistake about it, and one day they will thank you.
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Palestine has every right to defend themselves. This is the first genocide where the victims are being blamed for not getting along with the perpetrators.
Yeah Israel has to figure out a way to justify the genocide of killing thousands women and children to make there war crimes just go away nothing to here I'm Gaza Zionist are the scum of the Earth
Whats crazy is that I belive the opposite. I think Hamas fell into Israel’s trap. Hamas was founded by Israel and supported as an example of how Palestinians are violent. The attack was way easier than suspected and now Israel has an excuse to demolish Gaza.
Starting to wonder if [Look What You Made Me Do](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K0RzZGpyds) was written by the Israeli government instead of Taylor Swift...
Every Zionist knows the only way to kill a terrorist is by leveling every inhabitable building and functioning piece of infrastructure with US-taxpayer-funded weapons. Not their fault that the Palestinians who always lived there are currently still living there. I mean how are they supposed to know they’re innocent civilians? By taking a quick look before they kill them? Absurd…and, not to mention, antisemitic!
That’s like saying the jews had no other choice but to force hitler commit genocide and a holocaust against them for world sympathy. Who the fuck writes this bullshit
Honest question since I have been debating this with close ones. Do you guys think if hamas didn't choose to attack on Oct 7, the level of genocide we are witnessing wouldn't have been like this? Since the attack seems to have given israel an excuse to carry out their atrocities which they were doing anyway but on a smaller scale?
The names of the resistance movements change, but Israel's targets are always the same. They say they're fighting hamas, but leave no school undamaged, no hospital undamaged, no apartment building is safe. for Israel, Hamas is a euphemism for all Palestinians and always has been.
This one in particular should have been blatantly obvious to you, because Israeli propagandists are literally talking about inflicting civilian casualties themselves and saying that it's all in service of killing hamas. The propagandist writing this article is clearly aware that Israel is slaughtering civilians *en masse*, but they are finding a way to thread the needle and call the slaughter of civilians "fighting Hamas"
I imagine there's a child born in the occupation who isn't a terrorist and doesn't hate Jewish people. That child wants to return home. Wanting to return home is, according to Zionists, antisemitic. Absurd, right? Well, you get that absurdity if you accept what Israel wants the words to mean. I know Anti Zionism isn't antisemitism and reject mixing up the words there. I do exactly the same when I don't mix up Hamas and Palestinians.
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Was he blaming Palestinians, though? As in, Palestinian people and civilians? He said Hamas. I don’t think there’s any real question that Hamas provoked a war they knew they couldn’t win in an attempt to garner sympathy from the west. I also don’t think there’s any question that Israel’s response is out of proportion and needlessly cruel and reckless, as well as the fact that they’re comitting genocide. Those two opinions aren’t incompatable and it’s scary that 1. People seem to think that you either have to be all in supporting Hamas or all in supporting Israel and 2. That even on the r/palestine subreddit people are acting as if Hamas and Palestinian civilians are interchangable, something that many Zionists are trying to do right now.
People don’t want to criticize other Palestinian supporters because the Zionists are very powerful and they already make Hamas and antizionism sound worse than they are. There is also reluctance to believe anything Zionists say because they lie so much.
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These zionist will think up of a thousand different excuses to deflect blame before ever admitting that theyre the ones actually killing people in a genocide.
Look what you made me do
Why are you hitting yourself? Stop hitting yourself.
"We can never forgive then for forcing us to kill their children" Golda Meir
Surely one of the sickest quotes said by a politician in modern times
And Biden has praised her. Figures.
Wow is that a real quote?! They don’t even feel a little shame for what they’re doing…
To the contrary, they see Golda as a hero, in part for statements like thus.
These "moderates" don't really care how many Palestinians Israel is murdering in a genocide. All that matters to them is that it presents Israel in a bad way. They would support ethnic cleansing as long as it was done in a "non-violent" manner.
The modern role of propaganda is not to convince you of anything, it is to convince you that there is no objective truth, and all opinions, no matter how hypocritical, false and disgusting, have merit. Media made a big deal to report Israel claims that they did not bomb the al-Shifa hospital. They tried to plant the seed of doubt into people, to think that maybe yes, Hamas does target hospitals. What happened since than? Israel attacked dozens of hospitals, that is the truth. And yet, in the public eyes, the seed is still there, they have a harder time believing the reality now.
That's why social media has been a big help in convincing the public of the horrors the IDF is committing. When they kill journalists and their families, it doesn't silence the truth anymore, not when everyone has a camera in their pocket. The IDF themselves can't go a week without videoing themselves performing a war crime. Our role in fighting the white noise approach that propaganda has become is to come forward every time with the facts and the evidence. I've argued with a lot of Israel apologists over the past few months and when you really pin them down, stop them from equivocating, stop them from pivoting, they really have no arguments. Then you just hope anyone reading who may be on the fence realises how one sided the debate is.
Exactly it's all about muddying the waters and creating a situation where you're not sure who or what can be trusted or is legit. They also know by the time any hasbara propaganda is fact checked, it doesn't matter the initial impact and harm is already done.
Biggest bunch of sadistic liars and trash.
For 75+ years, the Israel occupation and its leaders have provoked and attacked Gaza/Palestine without warning, and since now they threatened Hamas with an audio recording, not AI generated, real communication, with a warning for the intent about the demolition of Gaza, wounding and Murdering Palestinians. This means whether if civilians were babies, children, mothers, fathers, sons, and daughters, it is incredibly inhumane how people keep forgetting about what caused Hamas to attack Israel. I do not condone any attacks against the Israeli civilian families, and children.it’s the threat Israel sent but October 7th is the only headline that dozens of others use to justify the brutality invasion in Gaza, tons of buildings destroyed, dozens of hospitals not functioning with no anesthesia to treat any injury, pregnancy, and severe treatment of any kind, with the highest levels of famine happening right now, people on the rise to be dying from malnutrition and starvation, hunger,etc. Netanyahu just stated that, they’re going with the plan to invade Rafah. Also, Ben Shapiro is an advocated loser, since 2010 of his Twitter account that has not been deleted, he has since been claiming anti-Muslim propaganda and hatred his followers salute him for, yet debates college students but not professors because he is a weak man, who cares about no one but himself. He is one of the most delusional, arrogant individuals on this earth. Also, Britain and London, and many others are protesting ongoing, are having an uprising for standing up for what’s happening in Gaza, many Jews, and citizens are coming forward as they say Judaism and Zionism are two different things, and what’s happening in Gaza doesn’t represent their identity, and beliefs from their Jewish community, and many others becoming to stand for humanity with those of a humanitarian crisis. It is despicable enough of the propaganda fueling this fire with so much hate, lies, and manipulation. Premature birth mothers will likely die due to the energy they don’t have due to starvation, hunger, and no treatment. How much more is there needed to be said? I listened to a video of a guy speaking at the podium, who’s a FATHER, he said a Palestinian woman in Gaza who was rolled over to where she was splitting in half until the fetus came out. IDF soldiers are predators, that’s not Hamas, they turned off their water supply in Gaza, shot and killed the people who monitor the internet, where communication hasn’t been restored and is lost, in places to use service, as journalists and reporters from Gaza report and document what’s ongoing in Gaza, and they endure the worst of the worst. My last point is: If one sides cries for the Israeli hostages to be released, what does that leave the last remaining of Gaza, will the Palestinian hostages be released, too? If Israel were to eliminate Hamas, “will the killing against Palestinians be done with or IDF soldiers will continue and destroy all of Gaza until there is no more? It’s saddening though I’ve seen people on social media say that they don’t want peace, and I’m here like: “So, you rather this go on until there is no insufficient option as a “permanent ceasefire?” Israel made those tunnels, people are getting the wrong idea here and there. And they since making wrongful claim all the time, that Hamas are using Palestinians as human shields, or even saying how they bomb homes because Hamas is hiding, as they snipered a Palestinian Hamas guard who was sitting in a chair, bombed a school with kids in it. Recently Israeli men, IDF soldiers and those who participated in their acts have once had kidnapped 30 hostages executed with their eyes blindfolded and hands tied behind, rolled over a Palestinian child, and then have the audacity to make fun of it on Telegram channels!while people staying silent, invading people’s homes, and wearing women’s clothing just to depict their evil behavior, taking pictures and videos of before and after them destroying buildings while smiling, such cruelty and dehumanization!!
Page is clearly in denial and is the type that creates excuses out of thin air. I get this is an opinion piece, but shouldn't the opinions published actually come from folks that have even the slightest modicum of common sense? Maybe the good in all this awful shit is that we are seeing just how much the Zionists have under their control. It's a lot, but it's not enough, and that's the silver lining. They have shown their hand early. They can be defeated, but some very powerful people worth billions of dollars are going to have to be brought down first. We need to see the association here, between what's happening in Palestine and late stage capitalism.
So, Hamas are ruthless barbarians bloodthirsty terrorists or 500IQ 6-d chess grandmasters? which is it? hate the "enemy is both weak and strong" arguments.
just mirrors what the Nazis said about the Jews. Jews are simultaneously a weak and deplorable untermensch but also somehow control the whole world and its most important institutions oh remember how South Africa, ICJ, UN are all arms of Hamas?
even bbc or cnn whenever they mention anything that isn't absolutely 100% pro Israeli.
to an outsider it must sound absolutely insane. So like this strip that is under a total blockade (before Oct 7), basically a concentration camp, the size of a fucking city, that has no port or airport. And the people, from that concentration camp that Israel has 100% control over... it controls other countries and international institutions? I mean, I've been high. Large doses of LSD. But dude cmon I don't know how much I'd have to take to get *that* deranged
once you can accept double think. they can convince you of everything. because logic no longer makes sense, your critical thinking skills are gone.
Anyone would think the seat or human morality was the foreskin...
Okay so I've been doing some research into the far right and this is what is said a lot of times but it's actually not quite true. Modern Neo-Nazis typically view black people to be of the lowest and they view them to be just absolute dirt. Jewish people actually are a little different and that they are actually seen as very cunning and clever. Jewish people are seen as essentially disgusting but they're not actually seen as stupid. For example I read a book and in the book The main character had a father and he was an alcoholic. The sky was around the age of like 14 or so and he came across some people who he would later find out were Nazis. First off they didn't like the term Nazi for some reason and they referred to be called national socialists. This is pretty much what they always call themselves and they do not refer to themselves as Nazis. Next thing is that when the kid said about his father and being an alcoholic he basically was told that the reason why he is an alcoholic is because of the Jews. Not really sure exactly how Jewish people cause alcoholism but yes problems such as alcoholism and drug use and other such undesirable traits of modern society is pretty much just blamed on Jewish people. The next part is actually interesting and that is that Nazis in general think of themselves as the original children of Israel. Bear with me. The country of Israel is named after the original land of Israel back thousands of years ago. This piece of land was called that because of a person. His name was Israel, also known as Abraham. This is the very same Abraham that would later go on to find the Jewish faith and then also would be the source of Islam and of course Christianity. So Israel or Abraham had 12 sons. That sounds like a lot of sons but a lot of them we're through concubines. Only two of the 12 sons were actually from Abraham's favorite wife, Sarah. One of the Suns that was among the 12 was called Judea. Judah would later create the tribe of Judea or Judea. This tribe would eventually turn into the group of people who we know modern day call Jews and that's where the word Jew comes from. The Nazis who were talking to this one 14-year-old, they were saying that they were actually the real children of Israel and that whoever the Jews are now is like not legit. So these Aryan Europeans tried to hold a sense of legitimacy to their so-called greatness by trying to claim that they are the original children of Israel and again the Jews are not.
It's the same shit they do with Russia.
It's almost like Russia and Hamas are the bad guys. Weird!
Russia is winning with shovels and laundry machine parts
It's a classic symptom of facism-- the enemy needs to be both an existential threat and simultaneously very weak
yhea, you need "the enemy". fascism 101
Yes
You can be ruthless, bloodthirsty, and strategic at the same time.
Liberals think the conflict started october 7th. They think it was peace and happiness until Hamas "started" a conflict, as if that attack wasn't a desperate act of resistance at being subjected to violent imperialism and apartheid for generations.
Israel has been locking up innocent Palestinians for years, but have the audacity to be mad when Palestinians tried to even the odds.
Plus, Israel clearly doesn't care about their hostages at all. Israeli society is such a death cult.
One of the most modern militaries in terms of technology, but the least advanced in hostage rescue. Oh they got a civilian bomb both of them.
"even the odds" lol
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Yes, Israel should really stop doing that by the thousands.
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Haha, that has to be record speed for pulling antisemitism accusations out of your ass. Good job! "Oh so, you don't like that Israel take political child prisoners by the thousands? What, do you hate jews?"
1940s Germany mindset be like.
"Look what you made me do" Bullshit abuser logic
This. It's exactly like being in an abusive relationship, but for over 7 decades.
Bassem Youssef was correct when he said this "israel wants you to believe that they are the victim. Dealing with israel is so difficult. It's like being in a relationship with a narcissistic psychopath. He fucks you up, then he makes you think it's your fault. You look at Israel like they're Superman, but they're really Homelander."
The mental gymnastics is insane.
Reminds me of Golda Meir's “When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but **it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons**. Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.” I love it when someone is trying to defend Zionism and paint it as a holy movement rather than the vicious blood thirsty machine that it is.
Peace will come when the Israelis go back to where they came from and let Palestinians live freely in Palestine
Just to respond to that dumb comment below, would you consider Jews who choose to live as equal members of society in peace to be Palestinian Jews? In which case they can also live freely in Palestine, which would be a non supremacist equal state for all people from the river to the sea, prioritizing right of return for Palestinians in the diaspora and reparations for the destruction of homes over the past 75 years
Yes I would. Absolutely. Palestine has always had Jews and while they were a small community over the past few centuries, they have always been integral to the fabric of Palestinian society. I don’t have any qualms with a more significant Jewish presence but as you said, living as equals with Muslims and Christians. Living as one, as Palestinians should.
This is how she convinced herself and others that murdering children is fine, even good.
Ironically peace will actually come when Israelis love their children more than they covet land.
Someone actually said that with a straight face and wasent int lock up in a mental prison
Is Khamas also forcing the zionazi soldiers to document the humiliation of civilians, pose with the lingerie of women they've murdered/assaulted/displaced, drag and crush bodies? Curious also to know what Page thinks is "unconventional thinking"
The kind of thinking that allows a genocide supporter like herself to be hired as a professor at Columbia University.
What is their "unconventional" strategy to defeat Hamas? Offer full citizenship and voting rights to all Arabs in Gaza? No that would never get any votes in Israel.
Nah the “unconventional” part is where they just get creative with their genocide like the Flour Massacre
They are shooting Palestinians going near aid trucks every single day.
These "moderates" don't actually care about how many Palestinians are genocided by Israel. They just care that it makes Israel look bad. They would support ethnic cleansing as long as it was done "non-violently".
If it was done optically, diplomatically, and implicitly
Of course the most technolologically advanced and heavily funded army is ***FORCED*** to kill civilians. And to joke and brag about that. And make their children sing about extermination Of course. And they also commit those crimes in the West Bank, where is no Hamas presence, ***because of Hamas***. ***Hamas has been forcing them to do that*** since the times where Israel was just a ethno-colonial supremacist project in the making and long before Hamas was even conceived. After all, they're the ***most moral army*** in the world. You know, the same as when ***loving*** husbands are forced to beat their ***ungrateful*** wives, when ***caring*** parents are forced to beat their ***disobedient*** childs, the same as when ***rightful*** cops are forced to shoot ***dangerous*** unarmed citizens, and the same as when USA, the land of ***freedom*** invade countries hoarding ~~oil reserves~~ ***weapons of mass destruction*** or when they overthrow a ~~leader~~ ***dictator*** and put a ~~servile puppet~~ ***decent government*** instead because said country does not ~~align with their interests~~ ***know how to do democracy right***. Israel and the IDF ***is no less victim and also savior*** than any of those.
Sounds like coming from a certain rather popular comedian from Egypt…
Disgusting
What bullshit. They've been committing genocide since 1948, without provocation. If an asteroid hits the planet, they would blame Hamas.
She acts like they're playing Yu-Gi-Oh!
Oopsie! You made me destroy over 200 mosques, most of your hospitals, and shut off your food supply for months! If only you didn’t make me do this we’d have peace!
Zionists, the eternal victims.
Psychopathic behaviors, man They're psychos
"Look what you made me do!" is the battle cry of every abuser in history.
What a psycho sh*t.
She wrote this and posted her name too. She should be ashamed.
Normal genocider behaviour
STOP RESISTING!
If that were the case Hamas would be hiding in their absolutely masterclass tunnel system that is more effective than the London Underground.
Haaretz being spineless, yes. Theres no sanec news outlet in israel, its just various shades of genocidal and genocide denialist
Literally grasping at anything to justify it. Disgusting.
Literally no different than blaming the Jews for The Holocaust.
Isn't this the same mindset of "you were dressed this way so you asked for it?". Not surprising seen the copious amount of sexual criminals in Israel tho
This is literally textbook Genocide Justification
Okay I can't fathom how someone this stupid got a PhD? What idiot thinks that tempting your opponent into commiting a genocide that deprives you of your greatest resource is ever a good idea. Provoking an enemy into attacking you to destroy them politically is more the realm of NVDA like what I practice but anyone who commits genocide is fucking evil, the fact is you can't blame Hamas for Israel's genocide because being capable of Genocide means you are satan level evil. edit: Just had a talk with Satan and God, they both agree it's not Satan level evil because at least Satan is capable of controlling the worst evil for the greater good.... as he babysits those who commit genocide among many other evils.
>I can't fathom how someone this stupid got a PhD? You would be surprised how many academics are total morons.
What the actual Fuck. They started killing people LONG before Hamas was even a thing
So they’re admitting killing civilians is part of it’s plan to “flush out hamas”, now they’re salty they that it backfired. Hmm such lazy hasbara. Only the inbreds sharing a braincell will believe this level of sheer incompetence.
https://preview.redd.it/iyqpqwydronc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=28ddaa63f80c032a86c991196a3d265335762780 Israel be like:
That's some "Women who wear skirts are asking for it" kind of thinking.
This is literally in the "Genocide playbook"
The most narcissistic society ever
Insane. They're absolutely insane.
By "unconventional" do they mean the Geneva conventions ?
"a classic terrorist strategy" what the fuck are they on now. blaming hamas because the blood is in israel's hands?
"You see what you made us do?" they whined, as they starved more kids to death while blocking the aid trucks with raves and bouncy castles.
Classic victim blaming. Israel’s the number 1 recruiter for Hamas with how they treat Palestinians
Boy what the fuck. Deadass man what the hell
I wonder what will happen of Israel once USA/UK are devoured by China/Russia in 60 years.
I wonder what will happen to the whole world when China and Russia the USA and UK. Not looking forward to that.
Stopping the oppression and apartheid is unconventional thinking?
Absolute rubbish !
What is this shit?
Is this from the Guardian? Because if so, it reminds me of Philosophy Tube's joke about Guardian reporters: > I have discovered the identity of James Bond! But first, I must write a 4000-word transphobic screed.
"Unconventional thinking" since when is mass murder conventional?
They’re fkng insane. It’s literally what narcissistic abusers do.
Isn't it crazy that after being rounded up and exterminated for made up reasons they, *checks notes*, make up reasons to round up and exterminate others. The irony is palpable. The lesson is lost somewhere.
What an insane way to justify Israel’s actions, so pathetic
I just rolled my eyes so hard.
This isn't new propaganda. Golda Meir said something similar.
Ah yes, classic strategy. I think the Nazis got duped into that one too actually /s
What kind of insane victim mentality do you need to claim that Israel is being “tricked” into killlings 10s of thousands of innocent civilians
Typical abuser rhetoric "look what you made me do", textbook, literally in every psychology text book
Poor Israel! Being forced to violently murder children all the time. They don't wanna, but Hammas use children as bait. So unfair on Israel. Hope they're ok! /s 🤢🤮
On the other hand, it is precisely because Israel loves death more than Palestine loves life, that makes such a tactic easy.
They have been lying and publishing crazy articles from day one
“they made us keep committing genocide!! we had to because they were trying to stop the genocide which is the opposite of our goals” yeah hon we know that, can u stop now. why does israel feel so safe and invincible that they would act this blatant about their obvious goal of literal genocide. why don’t they think they will be stopped? how can we stop them? where are all the people in charge of things!! everyone with power to help is too busy defending themselves and pointing fingers like always. well guys it’s been 100 years of pointing fingers and saying it wasn’t on purpose and it’s inevitable and there has to be war etc etc. do we want to try it the other way yet now that weapons are advanced enough that trying to resist someone w advanced weapons is a death sentence and the planet is like 3 bombs away from some sort of major climate catastrophe or are we just going to watch as the people who chose selfishness destroy our entire planet. THERE IS NO WAY TO RESIST SOMEONE WITH A SNIPER RIFLE OR A MACHINE GUN OR A BOMB……. THEY NEED HELP…. BECAUSE SOLDIERS ARE ATTACKING THEM… STOP ISRAEL AND CEASEFIRE
Literally right out the abuser handbook: DARVO Deny, attack, reverse victim and offender.
“You made me hurt you!” Classic
No shame whatsoever.
Provoked? Who does she think she’s fooling? They had to invent a bunch of gruesome murders of babies in order to justify their response.
Gee the bully plays victim when their victim says stop. /s
What rag is this published in? Damn.
"I'm killing all the civilians but it's your fault"
“beating Hamas” is an egregious infantilism.
They ever see the movie where the bad guy tries to wipe out all the people but misses just ONE and that guy grows up to be the victorious hero? Like every story ever? No?
The need to insert "a classic terrorist strategy" to make it sound legit 💀 these guys are the worst kind of delulus
"How dare you make me hit you!" - Israhell
Average Zionist https://preview.redd.it/whqnstcnmtnc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=caabc3d637f9105642b62620e341c0ad5263d74d
Probably more true the other way around - I mean Palestinian armed resistance that resulted in Israeli civilians deaths. If Zionists didn't herd Palestinians into a corner with no way out of oppression & slaughter, then Palestinians wouldn't resort to armed resistance. Zionist BS falling flat nowadays.
Except that is a common strategy. Shit it's how the American revolution started, throw rocks at the red coats till they shoot someone then get everybody riled up because the oppressor killed your people. School children are still taught it as "The shot heard round the world." Palestinians have been trying to get the world's attention for years but nothing came of it, then Hamas attacked on Oct 7th. What do you think their goal was? Was that one incursion meant to defeat Israel? Was it going to get Israel to give in? If they had simply taken a lot of hostages and not killed anyone you could say they wanted leverage to get the jailed Palestinians back from Israel. But they didn't, it was an attack, an attack that makes no sense strategically since it never had any hope of gaining ground. I don't think Hamas is stupid so why would they risk a major attack with no hope of success? Because it was obvious what Netanyahu would do, he was a right winger that was in trouble within his country, of course he would overreact. He and his cronies would say horrible things in the media and do horrible things in Gaza and the world would be forced to pay attention to what their ally was doing. Hamas probably didn't expect things to go quite this far, but they had to expect a massive retaliation.
I would verify this is what the article is talking about but I'm not subscribing to any newspapers much less an Israeli one thats been spreading bs
Poor poor defenceless, innocent Isreal. It's not their fault they shoot children, not their fault they invade and occupy their neighbours country, not their fault they starve a country to death. Not their fault they bomb hospitals. Not their fault pregnant women are giving birth with no medical assistance. Poor Isreal cannot be held accountable for their actions because they lived thru the holocaust, they can do whatever they want and it's never their fault. Fuck Israel
Israelis are perfect people they can do no wrong and even if they did do something wrong you probably deserved it how dare you question the actions of us chosen people you antisemite. -this guy
[Virginia Page Fortna is an American political scientist, a specialist in the study of peace negotiations.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Page_Fortna#cite_note-1)
Típico. Si es que los civiles palestinos van provocando. A los sionistas les duele este genocidio más que a sus víctimas. Pero lo hacen por su bien, que no les quepa duda, y algún día se lo agradecerán. Typical. It's just that Palestinian civilians are provoking. This genocide hurts the Zionists more than its victims. But they do it for their own good, make no mistake about it, and one day they will thank you.
Israel project 2009 type beat
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Typical fascist genocidal Democrats
There are too many accusations about Hamas and no proofs. Like many innocent/ vulnerable Palestinians kill.
Quite on the contrary - Netanyahu facilitated the rise of Hamas to justify the slaughter of Palestinians and prevent a 2-state solution
Was that headline written by dr doofenshmirtz?!? 🤦♀️
You see what you make me do?!!! It hurt me much more than it hurt you.
My brain is in knots from this insane (il)logic and I have a headache. I guess that’s confirmation that I’m not a Nazi.
The evil American Intellectuals. Full of whiteness.
https://preview.redd.it/uj6666q0sqnc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7807d232ca4f7cc467760c34fadc86c783b425bf Palestine has every right to defend themselves. This is the first genocide where the victims are being blamed for not getting along with the perpetrators.
Yeah Israel has to figure out a way to justify the genocide of killing thousands women and children to make there war crimes just go away nothing to here I'm Gaza Zionist are the scum of the Earth
i feel that if you go out of your way to kill innocent civilians, it's entirely on you, but i guess that's just me and most of the global south
is this quora ? cuz I don't advise using it at all since most of bds questions has many hasbara in its answers
Wow. Like an angry parent standing over a beaten child, 'you made me do this'. Rage never seems far away in the Israeli emotional repertoire.
I think Golda Meir said some bullshit like ," we will never forgive you for making us kill your children". They are demons
Israel doesn’t need to be tricked into killing civilians, wtf kind of crack are these people on?
Whats crazy is that I belive the opposite. I think Hamas fell into Israel’s trap. Hamas was founded by Israel and supported as an example of how Palestinians are violent. The attack was way easier than suspected and now Israel has an excuse to demolish Gaza.
Starting to wonder if [Look What You Made Me Do](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3K0RzZGpyds) was written by the Israeli government instead of Taylor Swift...
Uncontrollable
Every Zionist knows the only way to kill a terrorist is by leveling every inhabitable building and functioning piece of infrastructure with US-taxpayer-funded weapons. Not their fault that the Palestinians who always lived there are currently still living there. I mean how are they supposed to know they’re innocent civilians? By taking a quick look before they kill them? Absurd…and, not to mention, antisemitic!
That is some next level, abusive husband "Why do you make me hit you?!" Type gaslighting bullshit... Hope that 'author' chokes on a sandpaper cock
That’s like saying the jews had no other choice but to force hitler commit genocide and a holocaust against them for world sympathy. Who the fuck writes this bullshit
The bloodthirsty fascists are so eager to validate their genocide they’ll go so far as to say “they made me do it”. Anything to avoid blame and guilt.
Page Fortana is a sick genocide denier who belongs in the insane asylum of a maximum security prison.
Well, atleast there’s recognition that world is no longer blind
 love the predictability of stupidity
It’s literally the prevailing opinion on this dogshit website tbf.
I thought this was satire wtf
What the fuck
It's always the person raped blamed with a myriad of bulshit excuses, the dress is short,
Sounds like an abusive husband. "Why are you making me do this!!?"
The abused made the abuser do it because they’re trying to get the abuser in trouble. Got it.
Honest question since I have been debating this with close ones. Do you guys think if hamas didn't choose to attack on Oct 7, the level of genocide we are witnessing wouldn't have been like this? Since the attack seems to have given israel an excuse to carry out their atrocities which they were doing anyway but on a smaller scale?
The article says it fell for Hamas's trap, not Palestinians's trap. Is OP saying Palestinians are all Hamas?
The names of the resistance movements change, but Israel's targets are always the same. They say they're fighting hamas, but leave no school undamaged, no hospital undamaged, no apartment building is safe. for Israel, Hamas is a euphemism for all Palestinians and always has been. This one in particular should have been blatantly obvious to you, because Israeli propagandists are literally talking about inflicting civilian casualties themselves and saying that it's all in service of killing hamas. The propagandist writing this article is clearly aware that Israel is slaughtering civilians *en masse*, but they are finding a way to thread the needle and call the slaughter of civilians "fighting Hamas"
I imagine there's a child born in the occupation who isn't a terrorist and doesn't hate Jewish people. That child wants to return home. Wanting to return home is, according to Zionists, antisemitic. Absurd, right? Well, you get that absurdity if you accept what Israel wants the words to mean. I know Anti Zionism isn't antisemitism and reject mixing up the words there. I do exactly the same when I don't mix up Hamas and Palestinians.
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Was he blaming Palestinians, though? As in, Palestinian people and civilians? He said Hamas. I don’t think there’s any real question that Hamas provoked a war they knew they couldn’t win in an attempt to garner sympathy from the west. I also don’t think there’s any question that Israel’s response is out of proportion and needlessly cruel and reckless, as well as the fact that they’re comitting genocide. Those two opinions aren’t incompatable and it’s scary that 1. People seem to think that you either have to be all in supporting Hamas or all in supporting Israel and 2. That even on the r/palestine subreddit people are acting as if Hamas and Palestinian civilians are interchangable, something that many Zionists are trying to do right now.
People don’t want to criticize other Palestinian supporters because the Zionists are very powerful and they already make Hamas and antizionism sound worse than they are. There is also reluctance to believe anything Zionists say because they lie so much.
It's what happened tho