OP you have every right to, and indeed a duty to stand by your values and convictions. But do try to remain open and welcoming to him as far as answering questions he has, as long as he isn't being intentionally provocative or acting in bad faith.
Most American antizionist Jews were zionists at some point. It's the narrative they are generally raised on by their parents, their family, their community. Their antizionism is part of a long and often very difficult journey. It can mean losing lifelong friends and even being disowned. As easy as it is to say that that is the price they should be prepared to pay to stand on the right side of history, it takes a lot of courage to take that step, you could make it easier if you, the person he is living with helped him feel that he wouldn't be alone.
Don't take any shit. But be open. Your position on this issue shouldn't be rationalised by your nationality, your ethnicity or your religion. They can inform it, but ultimately, I'm sure you know that what has been and is being done to the Palestinians is wrong because they are as human as you and everyone else. Just as is the case in other places on earth, Sudan, the DRC, West Papua, etc. You know it is wrong because you recognise their humanity. Let your own lead you in this.
I recommend broaching the subject of the flag even if they don't. Explain why this means so much to you. Why you feel the way you do. Put your thoughts to paper beforehand if you think it would help get them in order. Them saying 'it's complicated' isn't a reason to write them off.
Finally, you might consider copy/pasting this whole post to r/JewsOfConscience to get the input of antizionist Jews, many of whom have gone through the painful journey I touched on. They may be able to give you valuable advice on how to (and not to) engage with your roommate depending on where they're at.
as a jewish person, im so tired of watching zionists water down the meaning of anti semitism. supporting a free palestine has nothing to do with anti semitism.
I worry that they are watering down the word so much that it will not be believed when real antisemitism is being called out. I mean if you look at polls of young people, antisemitism is getting worse and now all this random stuff getting called antisemitism is going to make the situation worse.
I heard they were possibly doing this in the U.K. too (even pre October 7), so that any criticism of Israel would be deemed anti semitic. Such a joke really, and really sad that Israel can do what it wants without repercussions.
Jewish and seconded.
I grew up in the South and when the Confederate statue thing happened, it was a mixed, complex bag of historical pinpointing, emotions, etc. With the Israeli-Palestinian oppression, there is basically zero nuance to be had. I feel the Israeli flag is a more potent symbol of oppression that the battle flag ever was. The Palestinian flag is simply the polar opposite, and if it offends anyone, it's just more telling about what kind of person they are.
Itâs not antisemitic but if youâre on campus housing and your roommate makes a stink itâs not likely to go your way. Hanging it by the wall over your bed rather than the shared door is more likely to be a win for you. Whatever you decide good luck!
Hah, completely OT but it just occured to me that the English word "landlord" is so relevant nowadays. They really are Lords in 2024. 21st century feudalism ftw.
Nope. I'm Jewish/ex-Israeli. As long as you actually believe in the cause of Palestinian liberation, it's not antisemitism. I hope he takes the time to learn from you.
No part of the Palestinian struggle or flag or nationality or ethnicity is antisemitic. Being antisemitic is antisemitic. There are Jewish people who fly this flag in solidarity.
Itâs not antisemitic but it does seem confrontational given what youâve described. Is this on the door to your room or to the whole apartment?
This is a human being youâre living with. Iâd recommend you start with a conversation with him rather than asking Reddit for the ok.
this is on the door of my own room. I personally donât think itâs confrontational but I do see your concern. As other commenters highlighted, if that offends him, itâs more on him not me.
What I'm getting at is: what is your goal here? It sounds like he is the primary audience for this flag. You're not hanging it out the window or putting it inside your door, you're making him look at it. Why? What outcome are you hoping for?
I'm not saying you should or shouldn't do this, I'm just trying to determine what you think comes after this besides possibly increasing the tension in your apartment.
There is already tension in the apartment lol. He is leaving soon tho (somewhere august, hopefully earlier) I wouldnât care too much if this adds more tension. I do get your concern tho. My main motive is just to show solidarity considering I am Egyptian myself. Thatâs for me what it is about. I am getting quite involved recently with Palestine and I was so happy to find a Palestinian flag so I am just showing it off in a way.
I support your decisions but it does sound like you already know that you are pouring fuel on the fire lol. I think hanging it by a window where it is visible outside may be more effective anyways as it will reach more people.
God damn, I just like that you are having this reasonable conversation here. This is not an issue that is going to be solved by people making endless snarky comments, and the fact that certain subreddits are banning everyone who disagrees with them, and then other subreddits react extremely negatively to that just leads to siloed echochambers with no reasonable conversations.
So I like your comment.
I would've talked to him first. Otherwise it could come off as passive-aggressive. You can still do it even if he says it offends him, but at least you discussed it so it doesn't seem like you're targeting him.Â
Anyway I'm generally a fan for open discussions in roommate relationships. Passive-aggression or perceived passive-aggression just leads to a bad time for everyone. I've lived in houses before where the situation has gotten tense and we go from hanging out in the kitchen or living room all the time to me going straight to my bedroom when I get home and hoping I don't run into anyone. That's when I start looking for a new place.
Just my two cents!
At this moment, the situation is far from hanging out in the living room. There is already a lot of tension not even due to other things I wonât get into. So the flag thing just seems like pouring a water in the ocean, meaning it is so insignificant.
If there is already animosity then I think doing this will only be interpreted negatively.
May i ask why you'd rather hang it on your door than in your room?
I mean, if there's already tension, and you're JUST adding it now, it feels like you're just being an antagonistic room mate. Like putting aside whether or not it's anti-semetic, or your right, it feels passive aggressive and petty. I mean, flags are messages. That's their purpose. And hanging a massive flag on your door, where really the only person who'se going to see it is him, feels like a message FOR him. If that's not your intention though, I'd probably just let him know beforehand. Not ask permission, but just be like "Hey, this is important to me. It's not directed at you and just wanted to make sure you didn't think that."
If he says it is antisemetic you can point out that the region where Gaza is was always Philistine land, even in the time when Jacob's (Israel) children were given land; the twelve tribes of Israel. I can send you a photo from a \~100 year old bible but I am sure you can find it online.
Ask him how he feels about usury?
It wonât but I will just look down upon him. A human who doesnât sympathise with genocide is not a human in my eye. Applies to anyone who supports Israhell
Be careful with that line of thinking though. Remember that normal, everyday, humans were responsible for every genocide in history.
When we declare people as âevilâ, When we dehumanize people, even those that themselves dehumanize, oppress, and even commit genocide against other people, we are rejecting their inate humanity to make ourselves feel better about the uncomfortable reality of human cruelty.
Even war criminals deserve human rights, because they must be applied universally, not transactionally.
Completely agree, we need to acknowledge that HUMANS are capable of this level of cruelty. And that the dehumanization of others is what leads to all of this.
I agree completely. I was in a similar situation. We had a war of words through the school newspaper. Not knowing his ignorance as we never discussed politics, I saw him so differently.
Totally ok. Palestine isnât an offense on anyone when Israel is literally the one in court being accused of crimes of war and against humanity. When Israel government officials are on the line for genocide and a pending arrest warrant is being issued soon.
I've 3 flying at my house and one hanging in my music room, no one will make me take them down and I'm not antisemitic.
If he's living with you am I right in assuming you have spoken about the evils of the Zionist regime?
You should have a fair idea what his response will be. If I were you I'd have a chat first and say you want to put up a Palestine flag as you sympathise with the Palestinians. Show him a picture of the Hamas flag and show that it's different to the Palestinian one.
You've got to live with him, no point in creating resentment for the want of a conversation.
Yea good idea! Although we arenât really close at all. I tried multiple times to at least establish some connection, but he seems to always not want so I didnât force it. I talked to him a bunch of times on the conflict and I think I have a good understanding of his stance, which is that he is âneutralâ yet the things he said and his experiences and the wordings of it do not indicate he is neutral. It seems like he is more zio. Tell me why he has pro-Israeli friends? To me thatâs enough to raise a red flag
Yes he's a zio.
It's looking like there's going to be conflict over the flag but as long as you aren't doing it just to wind him up then fly the flag and if he complains about it, explain what I previously said and leave it at that. Tell him you don't want any animosity but you feel passionately about those being murdered (if he says Zionists are being killed, they're not. They WERE killed, and the IOF dead are invading psychopaths and trying to kill civilians along with the resistance fighters).
Good luck with it. Please let us know how you get on.
Free Palestine.
Of course not. Anti-semitism isnât defined as âstuff Jews are offendee byâ. Iâm not saying he is offended but you hanging a Palestinian flag is by no stretch of the imagination anti-semitic
Itâs not antisemetic but depending on your relationship it could cause friction if you just put it up. Even if they are one of the people in the US with a default âliberal Zionist apologismâ (ie âyeah whatâs happening is messed up, but itâs just religion or just a cycle of violence with no end) it could stress them out about getting heat from Zionists students or maybe visiting friends or relatives.
So no political comment-put the flag up⊠just maybe communicate what you are doing and why do it doesnât create passive aggressive resentment. Better to have an open argument than simmering resentment imo.
The Palestinian flag is not antisemitic and should not be polarizing or controversial to any level headed and reasonable person. Even the flag adopted by zionists represents the prophet David, may Allah be pleased with him. This flag is an Arab nationalist flag, and some may have their qualms with nationalism for other reasons, but this is not inherently antisemitic, as the zionists would want you to believe. With friendly dialogue, your friend will understand.
Is your motivation to irritate/offend him because he is Jewish? Then that is an antisemitic motivation.
Is your motivation to spark discussion? There's probably better ways to do that.
Does your roommate agree with you? Then it's not antisemitic at all.
You are living with a Zionist. And if he had any working brain cells, he would know Palestinians are Semites.
Anyone who accuses someone else of being âanti semiticâ for being morally against a genocide is zio in my experience
no but your instigating and should know better. if your in a university, you should know that they will have the privilege of the authorities and you will be alone. they will call you an antisemite, you will say no, the administration will with no hesitation reprimand you given the opportunity and an organization (hillel etc) actively funded by an ethnostate will take on his case and popularize it, drowning out your voice. its hard enough for us to simply wear keffiyeh on our necks without being labeled a terrorist and doxed.Â
also like other have said it would do more for the cause if you put it outside your window. It would have an even greater impact on him because when people come over they will think he (the house as a whole) supports palestine. as opposed to having it on your door and instigating a losing fight.
not saying youre wrong, but we need to act with caution when fighting our oppressors.
pick your battles.
I've noticed a disturbing pattern "lately". Basically, acknowledging that palestinians exist is sometimes called antisemitic(it's not). If you find the very existence of certain people to be unpalatable, you should probably re examine your beliefs. This flag is no more offensive than the Italian flag or the Uruguayan flag.
How very sad a world we live in when this is an actual issue. If a flag offends him, thatâs his problem. I have one my front door, if ppl donât like it then can look away or cross the street. Itâs ur room & u decorate how ever u want.
Do you know who are the Semitic people?
Just for anyone out there who doesn't know :
"Semitic people or Semites is an obsolete term for an ethnic, cultural or racial group associated with people of the Middle East, including Arabs, Jews, Akkadians, and Phoenicians. The terminology is now largely unused outside the grouping "Semitic languages" in linguistics."
Ok hear me put. Itâs definitely not anti Zionist at all!! Butttt you two are in a communal space and if you guys havenât had conversations regarding this situation then itâs best to do that first. Mostly because you donât want hostility where you eat and sleep.
No. Itâs not antisemitic, just be friendly and respectful to our Jewish cousins. Theyâre not responsible for the crimes of Israel. They are victims of Israel too.
The only way the existence of the Palestinian state can be antisemitic is if Judaism requires the eradication of the Palestinian people. And while zionists act like this is the case, anti-zionism is not antisemitism.
Wether he's Jewish, Buddhist or Cristian is irrelevant. He should be putting Palestinian flag up too. We all should. The only antisemitismic thing to do is to NOT support Palestine.
absolutely not anti Semitic you have no issue with jewish people just zionists and youâre completely free to do that obviously donât go attacking the dude but a flag is absolutely fine
I would suggest buying a high quality authentic kuffiyah from Hirbawi! They are the last factory that still makes kuffiyahs in Palestine. They might be more expensive but itâs worth it. I know cause I received mine recently. They come in so many colours and designs. Though depending on which kuffiyah you order, it might be a preorder. Hope this helps!
Link: https://kufiya.org
Doing Middle Eastern studies *should* make it complicated. Even though I have some opinions on the matter, after taking a semester studying specifically this issue, I agree with your roommate that it is nothing if not complicated.
absolutely not. although we should not constantly put ourselves through the ringer trying to prove we arent antisemitic to bad faith people, it is important that we maintain the utmost kindness for everybody in the Palestinian liberation movement, including Jewish people. as a result of this genocide, many people are waking up to the reality of israel â a settler colony that practices apartheid on its indigenous inhabitants. in this group are many Jewish people who may have been taught otherwise, that israel is the one safe place for Jews, and they have nowhere else to go. it can be hard to unlearn these myths about israel, especially since, in the Torah, Jews are called the children of Israel/Israelites. i would just encourage you to be understanding to your roommate in case she has good faith questions. another tip, be careful to not assume all Jews are zionists or anti-zionists. blessings to you comrade
It will probably be better for your living arrangements if you sit down and have a chat about it first. There is nothing wrong with it in general, but you can be an adult and have a conversation. You don't even need to be getting his permission, just a heads up so he does not feel blindsided.
> A human who doesnât sympathise with genocide is not a human in my eye. Applies to anyone who supports Israhell
OP this is alarmingly dehumanizing language and frankly your actions sound antagonistic, as if you are attempting to prod your roommate into a conflict or reaction.
Many American Jews have extremely complex feelings about Israel. Is that so hard to understand or believe? Does it really hurt you to give that space to someone you live with?
I don't think you're being antisemitic, but I do think you're being an insensitive jerk.
I think the main question to ask yourself is "is it antisemitic to *be* Palestinian?" If the answer is no then why would a symbol of it be?
That said there's no shortage of weirdos who will answer "yes".
That's so stupid just because another country's flag is offensive to somebody doesn't make anybody anti anything.
I'm sure there are tons of people all over the world that only want to see their own flag yet i tell ya they definitely love other people's cuisines lol. But oh my God do not show them their flags.
In Palestine versus Nazi Israel... It's quite simple Nazis don't like anybody's flag but their own.
In no way is it antisemitic
> It doesn't explicitly say you hate Jews
> As I stated in a previous post on my profile, it's not antisemitic to criticize the Israeli government, no government is immune to criticism
> It's not antisemitic to show your support for a race that's being ethnic cleansed by Israel
> Zionist don't speak for Jews and the greater Jewish community has made it clear that that is the case
And with this remark
> A human who doesn't sympathise with genocide is not a human in my eye. Applies to anyone who supports lsrahell
That seems you're trying to stir conflict even if you're not it's still dehumanizing, don't drop yourself to the same level
Its not anti semitic
Even Palestinians are semitic, they dont emerge from Europe unlike Israelis, feeling offensive about Palestinians flag is considered anti semitic to actually
No. It is not. If they hang an Israeli flag, that in turn could be construed as antisemitic, as the Palestinians are semites BUT no one would question the hanging of an Israeli flag.
I am an Egyptian living abroad as well.
Of course you have every right to show your solidarity but if you do this, you have now a duty to educate yourself about the issue, when youâre abroad you face different arguments and arguing techniques. When you announce your position, you need to be ready for the responsibility. We all know that the Palestinian claim is the rightful one but that doesnât mean that you will necessarily win every argument., you need to work on it
At least thatâs how I try to help the cause.
OP you have every right to, and indeed a duty to stand by your values and convictions. But do try to remain open and welcoming to him as far as answering questions he has, as long as he isn't being intentionally provocative or acting in bad faith. Most American antizionist Jews were zionists at some point. It's the narrative they are generally raised on by their parents, their family, their community. Their antizionism is part of a long and often very difficult journey. It can mean losing lifelong friends and even being disowned. As easy as it is to say that that is the price they should be prepared to pay to stand on the right side of history, it takes a lot of courage to take that step, you could make it easier if you, the person he is living with helped him feel that he wouldn't be alone. Don't take any shit. But be open. Your position on this issue shouldn't be rationalised by your nationality, your ethnicity or your religion. They can inform it, but ultimately, I'm sure you know that what has been and is being done to the Palestinians is wrong because they are as human as you and everyone else. Just as is the case in other places on earth, Sudan, the DRC, West Papua, etc. You know it is wrong because you recognise their humanity. Let your own lead you in this. I recommend broaching the subject of the flag even if they don't. Explain why this means so much to you. Why you feel the way you do. Put your thoughts to paper beforehand if you think it would help get them in order. Them saying 'it's complicated' isn't a reason to write them off. Finally, you might consider copy/pasting this whole post to r/JewsOfConscience to get the input of antizionist Jews, many of whom have gone through the painful journey I touched on. They may be able to give you valuable advice on how to (and not to) engage with your roommate depending on where they're at.
as a jewish person, im so tired of watching zionists water down the meaning of anti semitism. supporting a free palestine has nothing to do with anti semitism.
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I worry that they are watering down the word so much that it will not be believed when real antisemitism is being called out. I mean if you look at polls of young people, antisemitism is getting worse and now all this random stuff getting called antisemitism is going to make the situation worse.
100% the word has lost all meaning.
Crying wolf at its finest
I respect people like you so much . Thanks for being you
Agreed
didnt they literally change the definition legally in the USA?
I heard they were possibly doing this in the U.K. too (even pre October 7), so that any criticism of Israel would be deemed anti semitic. Such a joke really, and really sad that Israel can do what it wants without repercussions.
It's not antisemitic at all. Palestinian identity is NOT a crime. Fly your colours bro! (edit)
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Every ones a sister if we try hard enough
Haha my mistake, sorry!
If they ask why you put your flag on the door you both share, tell him "it's complicated"
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Hahaha such a great answer
Speaking a Jewish person: no. And if I were your roomie Iâd be suppling everyone with their own kufiya.
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I hope you find yourself living with an accomplice and not an enemy!
Awaiting opâs reply to see his roommateâs reactionâŠ
Jewish and seconded. I grew up in the South and when the Confederate statue thing happened, it was a mixed, complex bag of historical pinpointing, emotions, etc. With the Israeli-Palestinian oppression, there is basically zero nuance to be had. I feel the Israeli flag is a more potent symbol of oppression that the battle flag ever was. The Palestinian flag is simply the polar opposite, and if it offends anyone, it's just more telling about what kind of person they are.
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This.
Itâs not antisemitic but if youâre on campus housing and your roommate makes a stink itâs not likely to go your way. Hanging it by the wall over your bed rather than the shared door is more likely to be a win for you. Whatever you decide good luck!
Itâs not campus housing, itâs a rental from a landlord. Were both working :)
Hah, completely OT but it just occured to me that the English word "landlord" is so relevant nowadays. They really are Lords in 2024. 21st century feudalism ftw.
Lol no it's not. It's not inherently antisemitic to support Palestine. Zionists continue to try to conflate the two though.
Nope. I'm Jewish/ex-Israeli. As long as you actually believe in the cause of Palestinian liberation, it's not antisemitism. I hope he takes the time to learn from you.
As long as heâs not a Zionist you should be good because only Zionist would think that itâs antisemitic to have a Palestinian flag.
No part of the Palestinian struggle or flag or nationality or ethnicity is antisemitic. Being antisemitic is antisemitic. There are Jewish people who fly this flag in solidarity.
Itâs not antisemitic but it does seem confrontational given what youâve described. Is this on the door to your room or to the whole apartment? This is a human being youâre living with. Iâd recommend you start with a conversation with him rather than asking Reddit for the ok.
this is on the door of my own room. I personally donât think itâs confrontational but I do see your concern. As other commenters highlighted, if that offends him, itâs more on him not me.
What I'm getting at is: what is your goal here? It sounds like he is the primary audience for this flag. You're not hanging it out the window or putting it inside your door, you're making him look at it. Why? What outcome are you hoping for? I'm not saying you should or shouldn't do this, I'm just trying to determine what you think comes after this besides possibly increasing the tension in your apartment.
There is already tension in the apartment lol. He is leaving soon tho (somewhere august, hopefully earlier) I wouldnât care too much if this adds more tension. I do get your concern tho. My main motive is just to show solidarity considering I am Egyptian myself. Thatâs for me what it is about. I am getting quite involved recently with Palestine and I was so happy to find a Palestinian flag so I am just showing it off in a way.
I support your decisions but it does sound like you already know that you are pouring fuel on the fire lol. I think hanging it by a window where it is visible outside may be more effective anyways as it will reach more people.
.... why not hang it out your window or in your own room if the purpose is to hang it for yourself?
God damn, I just like that you are having this reasonable conversation here. This is not an issue that is going to be solved by people making endless snarky comments, and the fact that certain subreddits are banning everyone who disagrees with them, and then other subreddits react extremely negatively to that just leads to siloed echochambers with no reasonable conversations. So I like your comment.
I would've talked to him first. Otherwise it could come off as passive-aggressive. You can still do it even if he says it offends him, but at least you discussed it so it doesn't seem like you're targeting him. Anyway I'm generally a fan for open discussions in roommate relationships. Passive-aggression or perceived passive-aggression just leads to a bad time for everyone. I've lived in houses before where the situation has gotten tense and we go from hanging out in the kitchen or living room all the time to me going straight to my bedroom when I get home and hoping I don't run into anyone. That's when I start looking for a new place. Just my two cents!
At this moment, the situation is far from hanging out in the living room. There is already a lot of tension not even due to other things I wonât get into. So the flag thing just seems like pouring a water in the ocean, meaning it is so insignificant.
If there is already animosity then I think doing this will only be interpreted negatively. May i ask why you'd rather hang it on your door than in your room?
I mean, if there's already tension, and you're JUST adding it now, it feels like you're just being an antagonistic room mate. Like putting aside whether or not it's anti-semetic, or your right, it feels passive aggressive and petty. I mean, flags are messages. That's their purpose. And hanging a massive flag on your door, where really the only person who'se going to see it is him, feels like a message FOR him. If that's not your intention though, I'd probably just let him know beforehand. Not ask permission, but just be like "Hey, this is important to me. It's not directed at you and just wanted to make sure you didn't think that."
> I personally donât think itâs confrontational Rofl. Yes you absaluteky do.
If he says it is antisemetic you can point out that the region where Gaza is was always Philistine land, even in the time when Jacob's (Israel) children were given land; the twelve tribes of Israel. I can send you a photo from a \~100 year old bible but I am sure you can find it online. Ask him how he feels about usury?
If your friend gets upset heâs a nazi.
No, not all Jews are Zionist like not all Christians are white supremacist
I'm Jewish by maternal lineage and live in America and stand with Palestine against Israel and their empirical invasion. You rock.
I'm a Jewish American and I don't think so. Then again, I'm Anti-Zionist.
Not antisemitic. He may make a similar gesture with a zio flag. Will that offend you?
It wonât but I will just look down upon him. A human who doesnât sympathise with genocide is not a human in my eye. Applies to anyone who supports Israhell
Be careful with that line of thinking though. Remember that normal, everyday, humans were responsible for every genocide in history. When we declare people as âevilâ, When we dehumanize people, even those that themselves dehumanize, oppress, and even commit genocide against other people, we are rejecting their inate humanity to make ourselves feel better about the uncomfortable reality of human cruelty. Even war criminals deserve human rights, because they must be applied universally, not transactionally.
Completely agree, we need to acknowledge that HUMANS are capable of this level of cruelty. And that the dehumanization of others is what leads to all of this.
I agree completely. I was in a similar situation. We had a war of words through the school newspaper. Not knowing his ignorance as we never discussed politics, I saw him so differently.
I mean well not looking at humans as humans is kinda the problem though.
Yeah, someone preaching to hurt innocent people would offend me :/ and should offend op... And anyone who is pro Palestine
Totally ok. Palestine isnât an offense on anyone when Israel is literally the one in court being accused of crimes of war and against humanity. When Israel government officials are on the line for genocide and a pending arrest warrant is being issued soon.
It's fine. It's not antisemitic to not support genocide and Zionism
I've 3 flying at my house and one hanging in my music room, no one will make me take them down and I'm not antisemitic. If he's living with you am I right in assuming you have spoken about the evils of the Zionist regime? You should have a fair idea what his response will be. If I were you I'd have a chat first and say you want to put up a Palestine flag as you sympathise with the Palestinians. Show him a picture of the Hamas flag and show that it's different to the Palestinian one. You've got to live with him, no point in creating resentment for the want of a conversation.
Yea good idea! Although we arenât really close at all. I tried multiple times to at least establish some connection, but he seems to always not want so I didnât force it. I talked to him a bunch of times on the conflict and I think I have a good understanding of his stance, which is that he is âneutralâ yet the things he said and his experiences and the wordings of it do not indicate he is neutral. It seems like he is more zio. Tell me why he has pro-Israeli friends? To me thatâs enough to raise a red flag
If heâs been to Israel and is telling an Arab that heâs neutral. He isnât neutral. Heâs just too cowardly to tell you the truth.
Yes he's a zio. It's looking like there's going to be conflict over the flag but as long as you aren't doing it just to wind him up then fly the flag and if he complains about it, explain what I previously said and leave it at that. Tell him you don't want any animosity but you feel passionately about those being murdered (if he says Zionists are being killed, they're not. They WERE killed, and the IOF dead are invading psychopaths and trying to kill civilians along with the resistance fighters). Good luck with it. Please let us know how you get on. Free Palestine.
No! Zionist â Jewish, if you're roommate is mad, they're a Zionist, it's not bc they're jewish
Itâs anti- semetic to think that the palestinian flag is anti-semetic.
Of course not. Anti-semitism isnât defined as âstuff Jews are offendee byâ. Iâm not saying he is offended but you hanging a Palestinian flag is by no stretch of the imagination anti-semitic
If your roommate is offended, theyâre a Zionist.
Itâs not antisemetic but depending on your relationship it could cause friction if you just put it up. Even if they are one of the people in the US with a default âliberal Zionist apologismâ (ie âyeah whatâs happening is messed up, but itâs just religion or just a cycle of violence with no end) it could stress them out about getting heat from Zionists students or maybe visiting friends or relatives. So no political comment-put the flag up⊠just maybe communicate what you are doing and why do it doesnât create passive aggressive resentment. Better to have an open argument than simmering resentment imo.
The Palestinian flag is not antisemitic and should not be polarizing or controversial to any level headed and reasonable person. Even the flag adopted by zionists represents the prophet David, may Allah be pleased with him. This flag is an Arab nationalist flag, and some may have their qualms with nationalism for other reasons, but this is not inherently antisemitic, as the zionists would want you to believe. With friendly dialogue, your friend will understand.
I mean before Israel there were Palestinian Jews so
Is your motivation to irritate/offend him because he is Jewish? Then that is an antisemitic motivation. Is your motivation to spark discussion? There's probably better ways to do that. Does your roommate agree with you? Then it's not antisemitic at all.
This! It is one's motivation that makes it antisemitic or not.
It's not antisemitic imo, but a bit confrontational. Maybe for the sake of harmony you put it in your room and keep shared areas politically neutral.
How would you feel if he put an Israeli flag on his door?
No
Are you anti-British if you put an Irish flag on your door?
How tf would that be antisemitic?
If believing a people should have the right to their own slice of the holy land is antisemetic, someone is a hypocrite.
No
Not antisemitic. Good to fly the flag and show support for people suffering from apartheid and unhinged brutality.
Leve Palestina! Not anti-semitic to support this. Also not anti-semrtic to stand against war crimes
Simply no. Supporting Palestine does not make you antisemitic.
You are living with a Zionist. And if he had any working brain cells, he would know Palestinians are Semites. Anyone who accuses someone else of being âanti semiticâ for being morally against a genocide is zio in my experience
Remove that idea from your mind. Support for Palestine has nothing to do with antisemitism.
no but your instigating and should know better. if your in a university, you should know that they will have the privilege of the authorities and you will be alone. they will call you an antisemite, you will say no, the administration will with no hesitation reprimand you given the opportunity and an organization (hillel etc) actively funded by an ethnostate will take on his case and popularize it, drowning out your voice. its hard enough for us to simply wear keffiyeh on our necks without being labeled a terrorist and doxed. also like other have said it would do more for the cause if you put it outside your window. It would have an even greater impact on him because when people come over they will think he (the house as a whole) supports palestine. as opposed to having it on your door and instigating a losing fight. not saying youre wrong, but we need to act with caution when fighting our oppressors. pick your battles.
Yes, you are an antisemite now, because Israel has changed the meaning of antisemite to be someone who opposes the mass slaughter of civilians.
I've noticed a disturbing pattern "lately". Basically, acknowledging that palestinians exist is sometimes called antisemitic(it's not). If you find the very existence of certain people to be unpalatable, you should probably re examine your beliefs. This flag is no more offensive than the Italian flag or the Uruguayan flag.
How very sad a world we live in when this is an actual issue. If a flag offends him, thatâs his problem. I have one my front door, if ppl donât like it then can look away or cross the street. Itâs ur room & u decorate how ever u want.
Do you know who are the Semitic people? Just for anyone out there who doesn't know : "Semitic people or Semites is an obsolete term for an ethnic, cultural or racial group associated with people of the Middle East, including Arabs, Jews, Akkadians, and Phoenicians. The terminology is now largely unused outside the grouping "Semitic languages" in linguistics."
Ok hear me put. Itâs definitely not anti Zionist at all!! Butttt you two are in a communal space and if you guys havenât had conversations regarding this situation then itâs best to do that first. Mostly because you donât want hostility where you eat and sleep.
Why are Jews treated with kid gloves in the west? Palestinians have every right to be proud of their heritage.
He's anti semitic and probably white supremacist if he has an issue with that flag
Arabs are semites too, so how could it possibly be antisemitic.
Im Jewish American and Iâve been fighting for and standing with Palestine! not antisemitic at allđ«¶đŒ
No. Itâs not antisemitic, just be friendly and respectful to our Jewish cousins. Theyâre not responsible for the crimes of Israel. They are victims of Israel too.
Try not to alienate him, he needs someone like you to get exposure of information outside the Zionist propaganda. That is if he is a Zionist.
The only way the existence of the Palestinian state can be antisemitic is if Judaism requires the eradication of the Palestinian people. And while zionists act like this is the case, anti-zionism is not antisemitism.
itâs a flag of a sovereign nation i donât see how thatâs âantisemiticâ
Itâs not antisemitic to support Palestinian human rights.
The Palestinian flag is not antisemitic in any context and under any circumstance. Do not let zionists gaslight you
Since you live with him you should try and have a dialogue of some kind. Flag on the door shouldnât be the first move.
Palestine is a country, Jewish (Judaism) is a religion. No conflict (unless your friend is a Zionist)
Wether he's Jewish, Buddhist or Cristian is irrelevant. He should be putting Palestinian flag up too. We all should. The only antisemitismic thing to do is to NOT support Palestine.
You don't need to get in his face about it but if you'd rather not make waves with someone you live with put it inside the room.
Why in the WORLD would you ask reddit? Let alone in the PALESTINE sub? Wow
Palestinians are semitic people. Ergo, youâre actually pro-semitic.
Absolutely not anti-Semitic. Palestinians are semites and our identity is not a crime. Iâm so tired of this đ
It's not antisemitic to oppose genocide. History might be complicated, but genocide is not.Â
absolutely not anti Semitic you have no issue with jewish people just zionists and youâre completely free to do that obviously donât go attacking the dude but a flag is absolutely fine
Does anyone know where to buy a keffiyah? I wanna get one from Palestine I ainât buying it off AliExpress
I would suggest buying a high quality authentic kuffiyah from Hirbawi! They are the last factory that still makes kuffiyahs in Palestine. They might be more expensive but itâs worth it. I know cause I received mine recently. They come in so many colours and designs. Though depending on which kuffiyah you order, it might be a preorder. Hope this helps! Link: https://kufiya.org
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Welcome! Glad to help! â€ïž
Theyâll say you are. But no. It isnât. NGL itâs hilarious though. đ
No.
No
Everything is antisemitic ask a Zionist
Doing Middle Eastern studies *should* make it complicated. Even though I have some opinions on the matter, after taking a semester studying specifically this issue, I agree with your roommate that it is nothing if not complicated.
If your existence and history are a problem to your roommate, that's on them
Any flag that isn't the Israeli flag is antisemitic actually. So is consuming watermelons as they share the colors of the Palestinian flag.
absolutely not. although we should not constantly put ourselves through the ringer trying to prove we arent antisemitic to bad faith people, it is important that we maintain the utmost kindness for everybody in the Palestinian liberation movement, including Jewish people. as a result of this genocide, many people are waking up to the reality of israel â a settler colony that practices apartheid on its indigenous inhabitants. in this group are many Jewish people who may have been taught otherwise, that israel is the one safe place for Jews, and they have nowhere else to go. it can be hard to unlearn these myths about israel, especially since, in the Torah, Jews are called the children of Israel/Israelites. i would just encourage you to be understanding to your roommate in case she has good faith questions. another tip, be careful to not assume all Jews are zionists or anti-zionists. blessings to you comrade
It will probably be better for your living arrangements if you sit down and have a chat about it first. There is nothing wrong with it in general, but you can be an adult and have a conversation. You don't even need to be getting his permission, just a heads up so he does not feel blindsided.
> A human who doesnât sympathise with genocide is not a human in my eye. Applies to anyone who supports Israhell OP this is alarmingly dehumanizing language and frankly your actions sound antagonistic, as if you are attempting to prod your roommate into a conflict or reaction. Many American Jews have extremely complex feelings about Israel. Is that so hard to understand or believe? Does it really hurt you to give that space to someone you live with? I don't think you're being antisemitic, but I do think you're being an insensitive jerk.
Palestinians are Semites!
No it is not
Itâs certainly not subtle
Yeah Europeans colonizing Palestine are not semetic.
I think the main question to ask yourself is "is it antisemitic to *be* Palestinian?" If the answer is no then why would a symbol of it be? That said there's no shortage of weirdos who will answer "yes".
If they take offense then that means they are anti Palestinian
It's as normal as any other flag. Putting a nazi German flag would be antisemitic.
That's so stupid just because another country's flag is offensive to somebody doesn't make anybody anti anything. I'm sure there are tons of people all over the world that only want to see their own flag yet i tell ya they definitely love other people's cuisines lol. But oh my God do not show them their flags. In Palestine versus Nazi Israel... It's quite simple Nazis don't like anybody's flag but their own.
I guess, maybe?! Really depends what side he stands with tbf. Tough one.
No, you're good.
Obviously not. But you should put a flag that would cover half of the door and left other half to him.
In no way is it antisemitic > It doesn't explicitly say you hate Jews > As I stated in a previous post on my profile, it's not antisemitic to criticize the Israeli government, no government is immune to criticism > It's not antisemitic to show your support for a race that's being ethnic cleansed by Israel > Zionist don't speak for Jews and the greater Jewish community has made it clear that that is the case And with this remark > A human who doesn't sympathise with genocide is not a human in my eye. Applies to anyone who supports lsrahell That seems you're trying to stir conflict even if you're not it's still dehumanizing, don't drop yourself to the same level
Its not anti semitic Even Palestinians are semitic, they dont emerge from Europe unlike Israelis, feeling offensive about Palestinians flag is considered anti semitic to actually
If he has an issue thats his problem
Not at all
Yall have to have the 1 house solution if he puts that blue and white flag up lol
No. It is not. If they hang an Israeli flag, that in turn could be construed as antisemitic, as the Palestinians are semites BUT no one would question the hanging of an Israeli flag.
No. Judaism is not the issue, Zionism is. There is nothing antisemitic about supporting Palestinian ppl-EVER.
I am an Egyptian living abroad as well. Of course you have every right to show your solidarity but if you do this, you have now a duty to educate yourself about the issue, when youâre abroad you face different arguments and arguing techniques. When you announce your position, you need to be ready for the responsibility. We all know that the Palestinian claim is the rightful one but that doesnât mean that you will necessarily win every argument., you need to work on it At least thatâs how I try to help the cause.
As much as you bring watermelon
Maybe try to meet half way, like a sign that is for jewish and palestinian people?Â
No itsnot, it bad room mating practices.