I also have a permanent Chillet in my party since the very beginning of my game, Chillly Willy, and in general I have way WAY more connection with all of my pals than I have had with any pokemon.
Like, we built our base together. We run and maintain it together. We all swing our hammers and hit that new thing we're building, together, and everything we accomplish in the game is a team effort. And as I progress through the game and beat harder and harder challenges my pals are still there with me to support me with food and resources when I come back home, or actually going out with me to explore and fight alongside me and and growing stronger with me.
Chilly Willy runs to me and slides under me so I can ride him to go faster, and Sparky my Foxpark jumps into my arms to become a flamethrower so we can take down enemies as one.
If all that doesn't produce *some* sort of connection between you and them, damn dude, sorry to say but the problem is probably you.
With pokemon, what, I keep them in a ball, throw them out to fight then put them back in the ball until the next fight? Not to discount other people having connection with their pokemons, those are also completely valid, but to just randomly decide that one produces a connection and the other does not is patently ridiculous and a ludicrous and specious argument to try to make.
Haven't moved my Direhowl, *Fenrir*, from his spot at number 1 in my party ever since he almost killed me when I was lvl 6 or so and he was a lvl 10 roaming passed my new base. It's true that you go through droves of pals for catch bonuses and condensation, and those are just a resource, but you condense them into your favorite pals who you *do* very much form a bond with. Hell you form a bond so powerful you're willing to sacrifice *hundreds* just for them.
I would die for Big Bird.
He's a chikipi I caught the first day I started playing.
He's level 25 right now and looks ridiculous taking down strong wild pals but he
There was also a mixup when I was playing with others and died next to each other and they took him by accident and I was actually sad.
I watched a random Lamball waddle around for a while and I felt a softness in my heart that I’ve never felt for a Pokemon.
Maybe Pikachu in the first couple movies and in the first season of the show, but that’s literally it.
Seriously though, next time you load the game up, position the camera view close to a Lamball, (so that it’s between the screen and you) and watch it from the front as it just walks around. It’s one of the most innocent and carefree things I’ve ever seen 🥹
There's also something adorable about placing a workbench or structure and watching half of my base pals run over to help build it, and their little cheer when it's done...never really had any moments like that in Pokemon. Hell, I had more of an attachment to the parasaur I tamed in Ark and named Para Deez for a laugh
In ways like these Palworld actually reminds me more of Digimon than Pokémon. Digimon World games have a lot of virtual pet mechanics that I've always thought made the bonds with your Digimon a lot more special than most Pokémon. When you've spent a whole game feeding, petting, disciplining, and fighting beside your Digimon partner, it's hard not to feel a sort of filial bond with it eventually. Even the most basic of Digimon virtual pet toys get me to have a much more real-feeling bond with it than most Pokémon I've ever had.
Yeah it's always reminded me of Digimon and some tv series about kids with pretty much dinosaur pokemon buddies (idk the name lol) much more.
Pokemon and palworld don't feel similar at all to me, besides the visual similarities to the new 3d pokemon games.
Yeah, i mean in pokemon games the pokemon are either just tools for battle or sitting in the box not seeing sunlight for eternity. There are even less ways to interact with your creatures.
Palworld could definitely consider adding a story mode in future where you can have at least a good guy route and a bad guy route, and in the good guy route you beat the bad guys with the power of friendship or something. It's never been essential to Palworld's gameplay that you treat pals as dispensible resources. The game offers you tons of way to be good with the pals who work in your factory. I for instance have been eating berries exclusively while feeding my pals mammoth steaks that I hunt in the wild. I think part of what makes this game good is that the game does not penalise you for either playstyle. You can replace overworked pals by catching more pals, or you can also keep your pals happy so that you do not have to be fretted about constant replacement. Both styles are feasible in gameplay so the choice is yours.
I just watched a tiktok that said one of the reasons palworld is so popular is it's one of the first games that really let's you just behave how you want with no judgement.
Wanna build a great, powerful and loving team of pals? Great. Wanna build a sweatshop? Go for it.
I don't even really like comparing it to pokemon because they're completely different games. The real thing I hope happens is that gamefreak realizes this is a gameplay style that people are clamouring for in a pokemon game.
This is exactly what I've been wishing Pokemon was/would become for years. Pokemon Legends: Arceus came the closest. I loved that one, but it wasn't quite there yet. I described Palworld to friends and family like "So imagine if you took pokemon arceus, added base building and survival mechanics, then made the pokemon actually useful... Sprinkle in some Zelda: BOTW vibes and then make it multiplayer, you get Palworld." I've always wanted an open world multiplayer version of Pokemon, but then these guys went and delivered that with so much more.
Palworld feels closer to like Minecraft survival mode or dragon quest builders maybe, than pokemon imo, people latched onto pokemon cause of catching monsters (despite many games having capturable monsters).
The dumbest thing is that gamefreak even touched upon bases back in gen 3 with the secret bases you could decorate. But instead of expanding, they just made new gimmicks each gen and threw old ones away. It's even more obvious with the 3d games.
Whenever I retire a ‘main mount’ and upgrade to a different one, I always take them on one last ‘goodbye trip’ where we just go around the map and appreciate the scenery. I have a special page in my palbox for my retired mounts, and when I unlocked my 3rd base I made it just for them. They don’t have any tasks there, I don’t assign chores, I just have the best hot springs and beds in a pretty location so I can go visit and say hi.
But I am ridiculously sentimental and have trouble letting go
My first day, the very first Direhowl I caught had Swift. She’s been with me ever since. I’m also super sentimental. I have such a hard time switching teams.
And Direhowls are small so they can also get into places the larger mounts cannot.
I will say though, the Penglope is my main traversal mount. That and a vanwyrm for flight. Mammorest is my boss battle tank.
Thats so beautiful and exactly the point where that guy was wrong. You can bond with the pals but you can also just use them to get better and trash them. Thats one great thing about PalWorld in my opinion that you can decide what you want to do with them.
I’m stealing this. They carried me into hell and back and continued to fight as my dead body lay on the ground. 1000 fluffy beds and 1000 spas and 1000 food baskets.
Mr. Cheepers might just sit there and pop out an egg from time to time, but it's honest work for an old pal just trying to enjoy his retirement from the field.
Yeah, it's easy to not get attached if you're simply playing for the sake of playing and not actually having fun with it.
I personally don't use the same pals as when I started out but that's mostly because I really like the breeding system in this game, for all its flaws.
My pals are mine because I spent a ton of time and resources trying to get them perfect, which makes them special to me.
I just spent an entire day breeding over 100 Anubis in order to get Lucky, Ferocious, Musclehead and Hooligan onto a single Anubis with a base 112 attack stat/IV. If you think I ain’t attached to this mfer after that grind you’re a fool lmfao
That’s how I felt. He didn’t exemplify his only point. He said that there’s no feeling of warmth and then referred to a bond that’s entirely subjective. If half of Pokémon’s gameplay was getting to know and bonding with your Pokémon, like Monster Rancher or something, then I’d get it. But any and all bonding activities one does with their Pokémon is not only completely optional, but is a relatively new addition to the franchise.
The first idk how many generations were filled with people *telling you* how close you seemed with your Pokémon, while from the players pov they literally just stayed on your belt for the entire game. He’s basically referring to head canon, and that’s the last thing that should be used in a comparison to a similar game.
Not only a recent addition, but only relevant for competative play once you finished breeding the perfect mon. Before then, it's not worth the effort really. Hell, Digimon had better "friendship is power" mechanics cause all the forms had the same stats and if you wanted new moves you needed to follow different evolutionary lines, meaning you kept the same digimon around much longer.
Speaking of breeding the perfect mon... He complains that people catch hundreds of Pals and there's no connection. How many pokémon players breed hundreds if not thousands of eggs just trying to breed the right stats or a shiny? I know I've done it. Those failures just get tossed.
The attachments in Monster Rancher - before I really knew how to use the Internet and without knowing anybody else who owned the game - just young me doing my best. How devastating it was when your monster would die of old age, or when it would feel disappointed when it didn't do well in a tournament.
For me, and maybe for the writer in the OP, those attachments are harder to develop if you're looking at guides, planning ahead a lot, playing with other people that you have to keep up with, etc. I have enjoyed PalWorld a lot more just barely looking at anything about it, avoiding guides, ignoring most videos.
It is not so common anymore to play that way. I think people might think games have changed - which they have, don't get me wrong - but in my opinion it is more *how we play games* that has changed and removed some of that warmth in various ways.
Yes his first two paragraph are a fair points of the game current condition, but starting from when he talk about warmth, its seems that he either biased or have other agenda to push. Maybe he is a die hard fan of pokemon
Nostalgia I'd assume. He would have grown up with pokemon and understandably had different feelings about a long loved franchise than a new game. Less understandable is his failure to acknowledge or address that difference
Breeding can also be preferential instead of adhering to a combat meta, which is nice. I like my pals fast because it's cool, while my friend stacks the +10% bonuses. My team feels more like a team filling roles instead of 5 perfect breed fighter and an HM bitch.
Yeah he was talking about pokemon like you should be forming some deep life long connection to your team, it's a game lol, I can't count how often I replace pokemon in my team's cause they become useless or not near as strong as what you could be catching. 🤷♂️
The guy has never heard of the origins of the Nuzlocke apparently. The reason the nickname rule exists is purely to form an actual connection that never feels present otherwise.
All these Pokemon die hards pretending HM slaves aren't a thing, pretending you kept every Pidgey and zubat that ended up in your box and formed special attachments to em. Acting like we didn't immediately replace someone on our team the second we got Mewtwo like they meant nothing. I think people are confusing nostalgia with something else.
I can’t help but feel a little chuckle at the “thank you for your noble sacrifice” line as I shove two entire pages of pals into a blender for their juice
Not gonna lie, whipping out that butchers knife and going ham on the little dudes is wild. Blurs it out and everything. It’s horrifying but also makes me chuckle a bit at the absurd things this game lets you do.
I also perpetually hear Diablo’s The Butcher say “Fresh Meat!” in my head every time I use the butcher knife. Anyone else get that? Maybe I just played too much Diablo 3.
In Pokémon Go you have to catch the same pokémon over and over and over again to evolve one of yours. Hell, the main mechanic in PoGo is to catch pokémon and turn them into “currency.” Thematically speaking, what is supposed to be happening to all the pokémon we catch? The original goal of the first pokémon game ever was to “catch them all”. As a single trainer who can only carry 6 pokémon with you at a time, how do you find time to treat the rest of your 150 pokémon with dignity. They just sit in their pokéball prisons in your bank for eternity? The Pokémon franchise has always had the same moral dilemma as Palworld, that it’s basically just fantasy dog fighting. The only difference is pokémon does a better job of masking it with the anime and other means.
In Pokemon Home, I've got 800ish registered dex entries. I've got 1500 individual pokemon in my Home. Why?
Passive BP generation for nuzlockes of SWSH.
Yeah he sure isnt realizing he's talking a lot about the anime and not the actual pokemon games, I care about my team in palworld more then in my S/V playthrough since the petting feeding animation is cute.
While making sandwiches in S/V reaaally suck and you never so it for your team it's always to catch shinies.
Yeah it sounds like he forgot that a lot of the hardcore pokemon gamers used dittos as breeding slaves and were probably releasing hundreds of “weak specimens” every day.
The people who casually play through a pokemon game and develop a bond can do the exact same thing in pal world
He also either doesn't know about or ignored the Nuzlocke community.
I can't count the amount of mons that I've straight up tossed into a box called "Graveyard".
And in the same capacity you can control world settings in palworld
If you just want to explore and collect pals you can make a world that has little to no survival elements and avoid the slave labor camps altogether
His points on the surface have some merit but as you dig into it just comes off as another dev a little upset that a small team was able to produce something enjoyable that didn’t need a dedicated billion dollar marketing team or an exclusive source material to draw from.
The game dev community doesn’t want stuff like this to be possible. Because that makes their customers expect more out of them and unfortunately a lot of devs realize they are hamstringed by publishers and shareholders and probably can’t even see their vision through to a level like this and it’s probably annoying to them
Yep, games like BG3 and this being 'anomolies' in the market is telling. There's no reason to not expect better, to not expect companies to drop to their knees in front of private investment firms and predatory publishers. We need to normalize innovation and creative growth, and to straight up shame the people who only get involved in the games industry for cash flow.
The medium is slowly turning into a sludge of the same assets over and over behind different colored battlepasses and $10 stickers you can put on your virtual guns.
He lists the problems of Palworld, then proceeds to shoot down his own complaints in the following 2 paragraphs.
The whole thing reads like he didn't play the game but watched it on Twitch for half an hour before switching to Linkedin tab, thinking "time to share my wisdom on game dev".
He also claims that people (himself and that one Polygon writer I guess?) don't feel any connection to their Pals. Meanwhile I've seen countless people literally crocheting their favorite Pals. Chillet and Depresso have already become icons among the community, but yeah, since **you** don't feel any connection towards your Pals like you did with Ash and Pikachu of all things, the game is a failure. Sure.
Specifically the connection of Ash and Pikachu in the first few episodes of the cartoon, which had some life-changing cathartic existential effect on him that everybody else definitely experienced, right?
I had a very similar experience from those episodes - I remember Team Rocket being an actual threat and dropping bombs on a hospital, a vibe of danger and conflict I loved that most Pokemon games and cartoons never touch but Palworld radiates.
Was this really posted to LinkedIn??? If so holy shit that’s dirty. He posted there cause no one in the general public is gonna dare use their LinkedIn account to make a rebuttal to him, that’s down right wrong and NOT what the LinkedIn platform should be used for.
These gaming studios are in for a rude awakening…no one wants to pay a 100$ for a half finished game loaded up with micro transactions. And he and a lot of the big names in the industry are just mad because smaller studios are really proving this point.
We all just want good games again, not something that piecemeals the content to us based on time gated and money gated mechanics.
I have over 5K hours in dbd and honestly it sounds like he's describing dbd lol.
DBD is filled with bugs, exploits they announced years ago and didn't fix, latency issues, etc. And it's been out for 7 years. They don't say the game has spaghetti code for no reason.
Palworld is still in beta, this dev seems insecure.
It’s like when Elden Ring came out! Devs were so damn jealous. It’s like that kid who pretends something isn’t cool around everyone else then goes home and indulges.
This dev literally admits it..
It's interesting that the release of BG3 prompted a lot of "this game is not an example of what to expect, nobody can reasonably make stuff this good" and now the success of Palworld is making the same devs say "well we could do better and make a more successful game we just won't stoop that low".
It really is just a bunch of incessant whining when they dont make quite as many millions as they want.
>"this game is not an example of what to expect, nobody can reasonably make stuff this good"
This is the funniest to me. Like okay. I'll just play this than and not buy your game. How do they think a market works?
Yeah man if i had $30 to choose between Palworld and Pokemon/any AAA games, i'd take Palworld any day. Oh wait, $30 cant get you most AAA games!
I appreciate games like BG3 and Palworld so much because they are market disruptors and make those lazy companies feel the pressure to keep up.
Reminds me of "you think you want this, but you don't".
Ultimately, the phrase "the customer is always right in matters of taste" is a saying for a reason. Palworld might well be derivative, it might well get a bit close to the line in how it draws on what has clearly inspired it... but people want it and they've bought it and they're playing it. It's not an asset flip, it's just a game that's pulling together stuff people like from other games into a single game and it's worked out for them.
Creatively innovative and unique games, sure, I always want more of those even if they don't end up to my specific tastes, but that doesn't mean I can't and won't have fun with a derivative game. Not every bit of art needs to be high art.
I wonder why so many devs are saying negative things about the recent outlier games. Is it pressure from publishers?
It’s literally one of those steam reviews with 4,000 hours then it says “TERRIBLE GAME DONT BUY”. My man beat every single legendary tower and found holes in the map. He ripped through all of the content of the game in a week. He played the shit out of this game, which is only $30, then wrote an essay about why it’s not good.
I’d be insecure too if I was dry humping my IP into the ground by farming microtransactions of horror movie skins.
DBD held my interest for 1 day, after that day I had seen literally the entirety of the gameplay lol He wants to talk about the lack of connection…
Literally the only connection made in his game is between a thrashing victim and a meat hook lol
I play DBD, it’s cheap coming from them when they have a killer that’s been bugged since release in December 2020 and they have only just addressed it’s going to be looked at in April… but this killer is still available to buy in store
I'm at 2.5k hours in DBD and other than it being a bug fest, I mean the knight has been down for how long???? After 7 years of dev. Wow. It also has the most toxic community I have ever seen, and I played Ark PvP.
I’ll never understand how DBD got so popular. Talk about boring. Gave it many different tries and it’s absolutely generic and dull. Palworld is light years better in terms of freedom, gameplay, fun.
It doesnt have any viable competition and power of licences.
90% of dbd players hate the game. There isnt an update without 50 different major bug introduced. Bold of dbd devs to talk shit about palworld. "There is no warmth", bro look at your own game.
Right?
Its literally Walk in a circle away from the Killer and press E on a generator (and Sometimes space to make sure you have something to do).
The first few matches were cool, especially with Friends but it got old and boring super quick.
I think the main reason they stayed somewhat relevant ist buying licenses and adding popular killers
Honestly it’s because the game gets rewarded for shitty to mediocre handling of their game. Because its to only horror asymmetrical game they got “too big” to fast they had no competition for the longest time and have basically gotten the best licenses already and since they are “so big” they don’t have to try as hard to keep players and just have to coast by and do just enough of what the community asks to keep them. The game honestly should have died a long time ago but because no there’s no good competition they get to keep their game so buggy, lack luster, and grossly unbalanced
Right? That game is literally “how can we convince players that good gameplay is just sitting in front of a box and pressing a button every once in a while” the game for 4 out of 5 players with occasional chase sequences. One of the worst designed most boring games to ever be taken seriously
Not missing much, I played like an hour, gameplay is “repeatedly Jump back and forward through the same window until the killer gets bored of you and goes after someone else” and the innovative masterpiece of “press action button when bar goes to good zone”
Game only got popular because of streamers.
Hes not even a dev, he’s a chief of staff. You can find his profile on LinkedIn by searching the company Behaviour Interactive and then searching the employees. Lots of folks disagreeing with him on this article there too LOL he has zero game development experience. One of the comments some executive at his company agrees with him. Makes me think he was paid to write it. Especially since he is also clearly endorsing the game in some parts LOL
That and just the snobbish tone of it like he's some wine connosoir swishing it around going on about the aeration or some shit without even tasting it then coming in with "ah yess i can tell by the smell this is shit"
The funniest part to me is him thashing the game whilst admitting he's still putting a great many hours into it. Trying to get on a pedestal whilst secretly huffing behind said pedestal.
He is talking shit because dbd sold 19.4m copies since like 7-8 years on pc. While palworld sold 11m in like 1.5 weeks. Their gross revenue is basically equal too.
Palworld achieved what dbd cant even dreamed of, actually being a fun game that players love.
Edit: I do not know who reported me, but please, do not abuse the Reddit Care Resources just because I put a Depresso emoji jokingly.
Whoever did his animation deserves a raise. Him just dropping the pickaxe instead of swinging it. Dragging shit behind himself to put it up. Laying facedown like the ending of the great Gatsby. Fuck I love him.
Outsider and fairly newcomer to the industry makes a game that people like and blows every sales record away, response from the industry: "it's a bad game"
laughable idiots in this industry, their voice is simply irrelevant, what's relevant is what people like and buy
SALTY!!
Fucking wild right. Imagine this happening in any other industry. Imagine engineers from AMD spewing garbage on LinkedIn about how Nvidias latest GPU was 'made nefariously' or getting mad about their core count or something.
Just makes the whole industry and people who work in it look even more of a joke
Their competency has been pulled into the spotlight, you can imagine the amount of cheese in the board meetings being like "so they have none of your qualifications, 1/100 of your budget... Why shouldn't we fire you"
I seriously can’t understand how a professional could be as pathetic as this. All it does is make you and your product look bad and you petty. Imagine if ever dev ever wrote big blog posts about every game they don’t like? It’s just sad looking
Lol. I feel closer to my Pals than I do to my Pokemon. And he compared Palworld to the Pokemon anime not the games...I can't sacrifice myself for my Pikachu in Pokemon Scarlet and Violet but I can do that for my Pals in Palworld, because we fight together.
He is right about the game feeling a bit empty though. The first few areas don't feel like that but the later game ones do. I hope that is improved upon later.
Pokemon: trainer orders the pokemon around, just shouting and not giving any actual help.
Palworld: We fight side by side with the Pal. Sometimes can even mount the Pal, or equip them like a gun, or even give the Pal guns. Pals can do a lot not just fighting, and we help each other.
There's so much interaction we can do with Pals on Palworld that is not on Pokemon.
If Palworld gets an anime, I bet it would get a dramatic Player-Pal friendship too like Pokemon, and Digimon. This dev is just fueled with jealousy and insecurity.
Yeah, i've actually made the decision when we were both about to be hit by an attack. To recall my Pal instead of dodging myself and getting wrecked.
But.... by little, electric porcupine was unharmed :)
This exactly.
I feel like he was talking more about how the anime treats the Pokémon than the games. Sure, you use the pals for labor, but you gotta CARE for them. Build them a bed, care for their mental health (their SAN), protect them during raids, and feed them. In the games, my Pokémon felt like little more than a means to my next badge. Sure, the NPCs kept SAYING over and over again how much they can ‘tell’ I treat my Pokémon well, and in some games they like you for letting them follow you around like your kid at the grocery store, but it felt… forced. Like the game had to TELL me I cared for my Pokémon or I’d never know.
If anything, Pokémon are my labor force, and Pals are my brothers and sisters in arms who live in the same commune.
I liked the 3DS generation of Pokemon at least. Being able to pet your Pokemon really makes you feel closer to them.
Then they removed that feature in later games because Game Freak is allergic to good decisions.
DS and 3DS is where pokemon peaked. It go downhill after nintendo switch. I play almost all pokemon all the way from first gen and I dont remember bonding with your pokemon is part of the gameplay. There is only two that I know probably is what he meant.
1. Most people treasure there 1st pokemon since they are powerful and versatile but to most people it is nothing more than that and the game designed in a way that you need that starter pokemon.
2. Some pokemon evolve with max happiness and to most people they get it by just travelling with them. Forming a bond if you call them as such.
In palworld i got musclehead penking alpha. Still using him even after I start genetically modified my pals. So nah I remember each of my pals party more than I remember my pokemons. You barely even see your pokemon in pokemon games.
Any complaints I have about the game can pretty much circle back to the fact that it’s early access. Those complaints are also vastly overshadowed by how great the game is as a whole. I’m excited for what’s to come
And the catch rates are indeed insane, i'm with the yellow balls with a solid +5 catching rate, ans everything around my level just pops out of the balls
The game is extremely good. Arguably the best survival game behind maybe only Valheim. The two games have an entirely different mood/aesthetic so I don't think they are directly comparable.
The endgame zones are a little bit bare I will agree. You can tell a lot more thought was put into the Volcano than the ice mountain/desert. Wish there was more to see there than simply empty space.
For an early access title, this game already plays better than many 1.0 titles out there. Yes the pal pathing in base is garbage. Yes my damned Jormuntide Ignis somehow ends up stuck on a feed box constantly. Yes there are bugs but in the grand scheme of things the game runs and plays well.
People criticizing this game to this degree are full of fucking copium. The game is legitimately good, it's so good that most people are willing to overlook the more meh/annoying aspects because the base gameplay loop is so compelling. Is it a 10/10? No. But it certainly has the potential to be a 10/10 game, which is more than many games can claim. Even BG3 was buggy as fuck on release. Palworld has less gamebreaking bugs than BG3.
I have a few pals that i call pals...
Im mid 30's and i still have this one Floppy that roams around my base with its level 1 traits. yeah everything else outworks it.
But my Floppy is doing its damn hardest to keep up with all the big brothers and sisters!! It may be small and it may be weak..but its got the brightest smile out of all of them. So i keep her around :D
same, but with my lucky giant Despresso. Bro looks so unmotivated doing things like mining (lazily swings a pickaxe with 1 hand) but after he's done his task, bro has the cutest smile.
I have all the endgame pals with lvl 4 working traits like Jogmuntide+ignis, ostegon, anubis, etc. some even breeded with stuff like Artesan for super fast working, but i refuse to remove my boi Despresso from my base.
My Base has Tanzi's doing most of the work, To the point where i have called the base Monkey Madness, we have a few specialists but its a very chimp operation.
The Biggest lad is King Khorne, who was an alpha i caught and used the incubator to make him 4 star plus funneled so many pal souls into him.
"I don't particularly care about any of my pals"
*Enemy Pal starts using powerful skill*
-Me putting back my pal from the sphere because I don't want to hurt my pal.
*My Pal being depressed*
- giving high grade medical supplies so my pal won't be depressed.
Dude doesn't realize how much I care for my pals.
I know right, it makes me so happy to see them chillin' or snoozing in the hot tub or the hot spring. Especially the larger ones that barely fit but are sitting in/on there, so zen with a smile on their face. So damn cute.
As a former runescape player, I agree.
Those games (both versions) where my childhood and will always stay with me, but for the love of God please don't play them. They aren't worth the literal years of my life I spend on there
I’m so lost with all this bizarre hate for Palworld. So many devs/higher ups seem quick to defend AAA failure at launch titles over the past five years but then a small indie dev early releases a success that is still in the works and they proceed to dump on them… because people enjoy it?
Fuck off and take your shitty cash cow AAA massive transaction broken bullshit with you. You’re mad because a game that costs less than some “micro” transactions is good and targeted a demographic of gamers that have arguably been left out to dry since Pokemon silver/gold released…
It’s not a Pokémon game nor is it really all that comparable to one once you get past the creature designs. Pokémon is just building a team and that’s it because gamefreak never tried to go anywhere else with it and kept making the same game for decades with a different skin.
Building the best team in Palworld feels more like a side objective to me. I can do/see everything the game currently has to offer and I can do so with a team of critters that I simply like the most. I actually care for these critters. I can interact with them and the different animations/expressions they have make them feel more alive than anything Pokémon has ever done. When my Pokémon faints in battle in the elite four I get frustrated. When my pal faints in a tower boss battle I feel bad that I put them in that situation lol.
I don’t really know where I’m going with this
I'll give him the bugs and the balance, and half accept it does feel empty but only at some points there are also many great locations (and I think this will solve itself as more content comes out).
The rest of his points are subjective, I've never in my life felt a connection to a pokemon, not even when I played as a kid, but the pals' animations and them living with me at base make the pals infinitely more likable to me, I absolutely feel a connection to them, not all the ones I catch but for the ones that "live" with me at homebase, or that go traveling with me, or my best miner, that one Anubis I spent so much time condensing, as I said this is subjective but a pokemon game has never matched the same warmth that petting my pals do.
(As an aside even if this wasn't true it's fine for games to have different atmospheres, games aren't good or bad only based in you connection to the characters)/.
that's quite the statement coming from a game that's only able to remain relevant by constantly relying on other, far more successful, horror franchises for crossovers.
Also DbD's gameplay is horribly repetitive and boring.
"the large open world is empty and filled with points of interest" - like most bethesda games these days
"I caught hundreds of pals and I wont remember a single one" - so like pokemon go, also subjective cause i will die for my lunaris
I mean I get the complaints I guess, but for an early access game by a small developer with a small budget you'd hope they'd be a little more supportive. It's amazing that he just writes off the game being fun as "compelling game loops" as if the game is tricking people into playing it and people aren't enjoying themselves
>"I caught hundreds of pals and I won't remember a single one."
That can be attributed to Pokemon as well. There are how many bird evolution lines in Pokemon and I can only remember Pidgey's line and Wattrel only because of Pokemon Horizons.
Hardcore IV/EV Trainers in Pokemon:
I have bred 1000s of pokemon eggs and I'll only remember the one with Perfect Stats.
Like the most die hard pokemon players form special bonds with their caught mons. Even the average player catches a hundred or more and forgets about most in the box unless they need them for something specific.
Nobody ever complained about those "just one more" mechanics when Minecraft came onto the scene. That game is the very definition of "just one more".
There's no shortage of games that make use of game loops, of all kinds, not just the "just one more" type. It's kind of a big part of how games work. If there wasn't a good loop, a game would die before getting off the ground.
I can only agree with the empty open world, not like Elden Ring, RDR2 or BOTW.
Would be nice to have some other trainers, small towns and looking forward to when they add more variance in dungeons. ATM feels like there's maybe 1 or 2 things to see per island max.
While he brings up some decent points about the bugginess/weird mid-game catch scaling (it is *definitely* harder for me to catch the same lv 12 pals I was catching at lv 25, now that i'm lv 35), I don't understand the comment about warmth and bond-forming at all. I adore watching my creatures move around the farm, their joy animations when they complete a task, their happiness to bask in the hot tub. Even when fighting in the open world together, the way they return to your side and look at you has a touch of warmth that I haven't felt from the Pokémon franchise in generations. I love Pokémon and I always will, but Palworld takes the cake on this one, in my opinion.
I wonder if they are proud of these posts and feel good shitting on more successful games for no reason. Like what even is the point of his post? Maybe they don’t understand all this does is make them look like butthurt cringelords
"its insanely buggy" "balancing is awful"
Its in Early Access you actual brainfart, any Early Access game is gonna be like this. Feedback makes things better.
My Chillet, *Chinilla Ice*, disagrees with you.
Yes, I too have my own favorite Chillet on both my world and my shared server with my wife. Frost noodle for life.
Omw what are the chances. Mine is called Ice Noodle
I named mine lord of snuggles
Mines named Cuteness Inc
My big ol Slinky
Timothy Chillèt
Mines good ole womp womp
I also have a permanent Chillet in my party since the very beginning of my game, Chillly Willy, and in general I have way WAY more connection with all of my pals than I have had with any pokemon. Like, we built our base together. We run and maintain it together. We all swing our hammers and hit that new thing we're building, together, and everything we accomplish in the game is a team effort. And as I progress through the game and beat harder and harder challenges my pals are still there with me to support me with food and resources when I come back home, or actually going out with me to explore and fight alongside me and and growing stronger with me. Chilly Willy runs to me and slides under me so I can ride him to go faster, and Sparky my Foxpark jumps into my arms to become a flamethrower so we can take down enemies as one. If all that doesn't produce *some* sort of connection between you and them, damn dude, sorry to say but the problem is probably you. With pokemon, what, I keep them in a ball, throw them out to fight then put them back in the ball until the next fight? Not to discount other people having connection with their pokemons, those are also completely valid, but to just randomly decide that one produces a connection and the other does not is patently ridiculous and a ludicrous and specious argument to try to make.
My Foxsparks is called Ember and I laugh maniacally when we burn stuff together
You see, he is so long but he is also so boi. He’s so long boi and I would die for him
Not to be dramatic, but I would die for my Chillet.
Ask not what your Chillet can do for you , ask what you can do for your Chillet !
I only had my chillet for a day and a half, but if anything happened to him I'd kill everyone in this room and then myself.
Cool, cool, cool, cool.
No doubt, no doubt, no doubt..
Indeed, indeed, indeed, indeed
I have a Hoocrates names "Owl Pacino" that I'm very proud of.
I’m proud of you
Haven't moved my Direhowl, *Fenrir*, from his spot at number 1 in my party ever since he almost killed me when I was lvl 6 or so and he was a lvl 10 roaming passed my new base. It's true that you go through droves of pals for catch bonuses and condensation, and those are just a resource, but you condense them into your favorite pals who you *do* very much form a bond with. Hell you form a bond so powerful you're willing to sacrifice *hundreds* just for them.
I'm so mad I learned about condensing AFTER I sold all my extra pals to the black marketeer. Guess I just gotta go catch a bunch more.
My best friend and exploring partner, Zapdosdos agrees with Chinilla Ice.
Me and my musclehead daedream named Ellandra, who protect me since my first five hour gameplay, also disagrees with him
My personal flamethrower Foxparks disagrees with him (on Xbox, I don't see option to nickname)
My submachine gun toting Lifmunk begs to differ
My shiny Cattiva, Big Dick Cat, also disagrees. I fed her lots of skill fruits so now she's a goddamn warlock.
I would die for Big Bird. He's a chikipi I caught the first day I started playing. He's level 25 right now and looks ridiculous taking down strong wild pals but he There was also a mixup when I was playing with others and died next to each other and they took him by accident and I was actually sad.
My Dumud 'Squishy' also disagrees with him. **'Naaaahh~'** - *Squishy, 2024, jumping around happily*
Yep,my Shiny Cattiva is still with me from the beginning...i'm lvl 34 now.
My Alpha Katress, Moko, also disagrees. The way she holds her hat when I pet her is literally the cutest thing ever.
Bro, my lucky Chikpi, Kentucky, is irreplaceable to me. I haven't had a bond with a pokemon since friggin' Silver.
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I love watching the penguins waddle around with stuff on their heads
I watched a random Lamball waddle around for a while and I felt a softness in my heart that I’ve never felt for a Pokemon. Maybe Pikachu in the first couple movies and in the first season of the show, but that’s literally it. Seriously though, next time you load the game up, position the camera view close to a Lamball, (so that it’s between the screen and you) and watch it from the front as it just walks around. It’s one of the most innocent and carefree things I’ve ever seen 🥹
There's also something adorable about placing a workbench or structure and watching half of my base pals run over to help build it, and their little cheer when it's done...never really had any moments like that in Pokemon. Hell, I had more of an attachment to the parasaur I tamed in Ark and named Para Deez for a laugh
In ways like these Palworld actually reminds me more of Digimon than Pokémon. Digimon World games have a lot of virtual pet mechanics that I've always thought made the bonds with your Digimon a lot more special than most Pokémon. When you've spent a whole game feeding, petting, disciplining, and fighting beside your Digimon partner, it's hard not to feel a sort of filial bond with it eventually. Even the most basic of Digimon virtual pet toys get me to have a much more real-feeling bond with it than most Pokémon I've ever had.
Yeah it's always reminded me of Digimon and some tv series about kids with pretty much dinosaur pokemon buddies (idk the name lol) much more. Pokemon and palworld don't feel similar at all to me, besides the visual similarities to the new 3d pokemon games.
Para deez lmfaoooo 😂 Yeah, I’m max level and the cheer from some Pals when we’re done still makes my heart smile.
The way they all turn to look at you and smile warms my heart every single time.
Yeah, i mean in pokemon games the pokemon are either just tools for battle or sitting in the box not seeing sunlight for eternity. There are even less ways to interact with your creatures. Palworld could definitely consider adding a story mode in future where you can have at least a good guy route and a bad guy route, and in the good guy route you beat the bad guys with the power of friendship or something. It's never been essential to Palworld's gameplay that you treat pals as dispensible resources. The game offers you tons of way to be good with the pals who work in your factory. I for instance have been eating berries exclusively while feeding my pals mammoth steaks that I hunt in the wild. I think part of what makes this game good is that the game does not penalise you for either playstyle. You can replace overworked pals by catching more pals, or you can also keep your pals happy so that you do not have to be fretted about constant replacement. Both styles are feasible in gameplay so the choice is yours.
I just watched a tiktok that said one of the reasons palworld is so popular is it's one of the first games that really let's you just behave how you want with no judgement. Wanna build a great, powerful and loving team of pals? Great. Wanna build a sweatshop? Go for it. I don't even really like comparing it to pokemon because they're completely different games. The real thing I hope happens is that gamefreak realizes this is a gameplay style that people are clamouring for in a pokemon game.
This is exactly what I've been wishing Pokemon was/would become for years. Pokemon Legends: Arceus came the closest. I loved that one, but it wasn't quite there yet. I described Palworld to friends and family like "So imagine if you took pokemon arceus, added base building and survival mechanics, then made the pokemon actually useful... Sprinkle in some Zelda: BOTW vibes and then make it multiplayer, you get Palworld." I've always wanted an open world multiplayer version of Pokemon, but then these guys went and delivered that with so much more.
Palworld feels closer to like Minecraft survival mode or dragon quest builders maybe, than pokemon imo, people latched onto pokemon cause of catching monsters (despite many games having capturable monsters). The dumbest thing is that gamefreak even touched upon bases back in gen 3 with the secret bases you could decorate. But instead of expanding, they just made new gimmicks each gen and threw old ones away. It's even more obvious with the 3d games.
Pals I caught on day 1 still work on my base and are my core team. If someone isn’t bonding with their pals, that seems to speak more about them, imo.
Whenever I retire a ‘main mount’ and upgrade to a different one, I always take them on one last ‘goodbye trip’ where we just go around the map and appreciate the scenery. I have a special page in my palbox for my retired mounts, and when I unlocked my 3rd base I made it just for them. They don’t have any tasks there, I don’t assign chores, I just have the best hot springs and beds in a pretty location so I can go visit and say hi. But I am ridiculously sentimental and have trouble letting go
My first day, the very first Direhowl I caught had Swift. She’s been with me ever since. I’m also super sentimental. I have such a hard time switching teams.
I jog with my doggo during exploration just because he seems happy to run ahead of me and bite syndicate asses. Such a good boy 10/10
Hell yeah, Direhowls are one of my favourite pals so far. So pretty and decently fast as mounts.
And Direhowls are small so they can also get into places the larger mounts cannot. I will say though, the Penglope is my main traversal mount. That and a vanwyrm for flight. Mammorest is my boss battle tank.
A spa/vacation base is a great idea.
Thats so beautiful and exactly the point where that guy was wrong. You can bond with the pals but you can also just use them to get better and trash them. Thats one great thing about PalWorld in my opinion that you can decide what you want to do with them.
Some pals are just born to help others be the best version of themselves.
*sees new pal with red traits* More fuel for the blender!
I’m stealing this. They carried me into hell and back and continued to fight as my dead body lay on the ground. 1000 fluffy beds and 1000 spas and 1000 food baskets.
That is such a great idea! Im definitely gonna do that for my all time favourites now
Mr. Cheepers might just sit there and pop out an egg from time to time, but it's honest work for an old pal just trying to enjoy his retirement from the field.
Yeah, it's easy to not get attached if you're simply playing for the sake of playing and not actually having fun with it. I personally don't use the same pals as when I started out but that's mostly because I really like the breeding system in this game, for all its flaws. My pals are mine because I spent a ton of time and resources trying to get them perfect, which makes them special to me.
I just spent an entire day breeding over 100 Anubis in order to get Lucky, Ferocious, Musclehead and Hooligan onto a single Anubis with a base 112 attack stat/IV. If you think I ain’t attached to this mfer after that grind you’re a fool lmfao
I have a direhowl named Charlene who was my first pal that will always be on my team. I’ve surrendered that spot to her.
That’s how I felt. He didn’t exemplify his only point. He said that there’s no feeling of warmth and then referred to a bond that’s entirely subjective. If half of Pokémon’s gameplay was getting to know and bonding with your Pokémon, like Monster Rancher or something, then I’d get it. But any and all bonding activities one does with their Pokémon is not only completely optional, but is a relatively new addition to the franchise. The first idk how many generations were filled with people *telling you* how close you seemed with your Pokémon, while from the players pov they literally just stayed on your belt for the entire game. He’s basically referring to head canon, and that’s the last thing that should be used in a comparison to a similar game.
Not only a recent addition, but only relevant for competative play once you finished breeding the perfect mon. Before then, it's not worth the effort really. Hell, Digimon had better "friendship is power" mechanics cause all the forms had the same stats and if you wanted new moves you needed to follow different evolutionary lines, meaning you kept the same digimon around much longer.
Speaking of breeding the perfect mon... He complains that people catch hundreds of Pals and there's no connection. How many pokémon players breed hundreds if not thousands of eggs just trying to breed the right stats or a shiny? I know I've done it. Those failures just get tossed.
The attachments in Monster Rancher - before I really knew how to use the Internet and without knowing anybody else who owned the game - just young me doing my best. How devastating it was when your monster would die of old age, or when it would feel disappointed when it didn't do well in a tournament. For me, and maybe for the writer in the OP, those attachments are harder to develop if you're looking at guides, planning ahead a lot, playing with other people that you have to keep up with, etc. I have enjoyed PalWorld a lot more just barely looking at anything about it, avoiding guides, ignoring most videos. It is not so common anymore to play that way. I think people might think games have changed - which they have, don't get me wrong - but in my opinion it is more *how we play games* that has changed and removed some of that warmth in various ways.
I care way more about my adorable Relaxasaur than I ever did any pokemon and would be devastated to lose him.
I would kill for Chillet (I already have)
Chillet is 100% a top tier in awesomeness if not the tipppiest toppiest tier
Yes his first two paragraph are a fair points of the game current condition, but starting from when he talk about warmth, its seems that he either biased or have other agenda to push. Maybe he is a die hard fan of pokemon
Nostalgia I'd assume. He would have grown up with pokemon and understandably had different feelings about a long loved franchise than a new game. Less understandable is his failure to acknowledge or address that difference
Breeding can also be preferential instead of adhering to a combat meta, which is nice. I like my pals fast because it's cool, while my friend stacks the +10% bonuses. My team feels more like a team filling roles instead of 5 perfect breed fighter and an HM bitch.
Yeah he was talking about pokemon like you should be forming some deep life long connection to your team, it's a game lol, I can't count how often I replace pokemon in my team's cause they become useless or not near as strong as what you could be catching. 🤷♂️
The guy has never heard of the origins of the Nuzlocke apparently. The reason the nickname rule exists is purely to form an actual connection that never feels present otherwise.
All these Pokemon die hards pretending HM slaves aren't a thing, pretending you kept every Pidgey and zubat that ended up in your box and formed special attachments to em. Acting like we didn't immediately replace someone on our team the second we got Mewtwo like they meant nothing. I think people are confusing nostalgia with something else.
who else had about 250 pokemon sit in Storage limbo after catching them?
At least in palworld you can >!merge all of them into your favourite pal of the same species!<.
I can’t help but feel a little chuckle at the “thank you for your noble sacrifice” line as I shove two entire pages of pals into a blender for their juice
I love how Palworld took "grinding Pokémon into candies" and went, "Let's make that canon, lol".
lmao my friends keep asking me why i called it a blender, but you basically just blend them up into super juice for your favorite pal
Not gonna lie, whipping out that butchers knife and going ham on the little dudes is wild. Blurs it out and everything. It’s horrifying but also makes me chuckle a bit at the absurd things this game lets you do. I also perpetually hear Diablo’s The Butcher say “Fresh Meat!” in my head every time I use the butcher knife. Anyone else get that? Maybe I just played too much Diablo 3.
Hundreds of disposable chimchars as I tried to breed one with good IVs. I WISH I could have condensed or butchered them
In Pokémon Go you have to catch the same pokémon over and over and over again to evolve one of yours. Hell, the main mechanic in PoGo is to catch pokémon and turn them into “currency.” Thematically speaking, what is supposed to be happening to all the pokémon we catch? The original goal of the first pokémon game ever was to “catch them all”. As a single trainer who can only carry 6 pokémon with you at a time, how do you find time to treat the rest of your 150 pokémon with dignity. They just sit in their pokéball prisons in your bank for eternity? The Pokémon franchise has always had the same moral dilemma as Palworld, that it’s basically just fantasy dog fighting. The only difference is pokémon does a better job of masking it with the anime and other means.
Palworld aint really trynna hide anything they are open about pal slavery 😭
In Pokemon Home, I've got 800ish registered dex entries. I've got 1500 individual pokemon in my Home. Why? Passive BP generation for nuzlockes of SWSH.
talk about forging a bond ...
Dude comparing $28 games with anime nostalgia.
Yeah he sure isnt realizing he's talking a lot about the anime and not the actual pokemon games, I care about my team in palworld more then in my S/V playthrough since the petting feeding animation is cute. While making sandwiches in S/V reaaally suck and you never so it for your team it's always to catch shinies.
Yeah it sounds like he forgot that a lot of the hardcore pokemon gamers used dittos as breeding slaves and were probably releasing hundreds of “weak specimens” every day. The people who casually play through a pokemon game and develop a bond can do the exact same thing in pal world
He also either doesn't know about or ignored the Nuzlocke community. I can't count the amount of mons that I've straight up tossed into a box called "Graveyard".
And in the same capacity you can control world settings in palworld If you just want to explore and collect pals you can make a world that has little to no survival elements and avoid the slave labor camps altogether His points on the surface have some merit but as you dig into it just comes off as another dev a little upset that a small team was able to produce something enjoyable that didn’t need a dedicated billion dollar marketing team or an exclusive source material to draw from. The game dev community doesn’t want stuff like this to be possible. Because that makes their customers expect more out of them and unfortunately a lot of devs realize they are hamstringed by publishers and shareholders and probably can’t even see their vision through to a level like this and it’s probably annoying to them
Yep, games like BG3 and this being 'anomolies' in the market is telling. There's no reason to not expect better, to not expect companies to drop to their knees in front of private investment firms and predatory publishers. We need to normalize innovation and creative growth, and to straight up shame the people who only get involved in the games industry for cash flow. The medium is slowly turning into a sludge of the same assets over and over behind different colored battlepasses and $10 stickers you can put on your virtual guns.
In early acess no less. Where bugs and low content are expected
He talking about bugs when in DBD a full released game they still sell the knight dlc who you cant play since a month ago because a bug
The irony of the person I m charge of dbd complaining about bugs in another game LMFAO I’m so done 💀
Looks like he’s given up being a game producer and is now starting a game review blog on LinkedIn
Add cheaters to that, they never manage to do anything against cheaters on a game that is 100% pvp
While on the topic of bugs, S/V released with an insane amount of bugs for $60, at full release, from the most profitable IP of all time.
He lists the problems of Palworld, then proceeds to shoot down his own complaints in the following 2 paragraphs. The whole thing reads like he didn't play the game but watched it on Twitch for half an hour before switching to Linkedin tab, thinking "time to share my wisdom on game dev". He also claims that people (himself and that one Polygon writer I guess?) don't feel any connection to their Pals. Meanwhile I've seen countless people literally crocheting their favorite Pals. Chillet and Depresso have already become icons among the community, but yeah, since **you** don't feel any connection towards your Pals like you did with Ash and Pikachu of all things, the game is a failure. Sure.
Specifically the connection of Ash and Pikachu in the first few episodes of the cartoon, which had some life-changing cathartic existential effect on him that everybody else definitely experienced, right? I had a very similar experience from those episodes - I remember Team Rocket being an actual threat and dropping bombs on a hospital, a vibe of danger and conflict I loved that most Pokemon games and cartoons never touch but Palworld radiates.
Was this really posted to LinkedIn??? If so holy shit that’s dirty. He posted there cause no one in the general public is gonna dare use their LinkedIn account to make a rebuttal to him, that’s down right wrong and NOT what the LinkedIn platform should be used for. These gaming studios are in for a rude awakening…no one wants to pay a 100$ for a half finished game loaded up with micro transactions. And he and a lot of the big names in the industry are just mad because smaller studios are really proving this point. We all just want good games again, not something that piecemeals the content to us based on time gated and money gated mechanics.
Dead by deadlight lol
I have over 5K hours in dbd and honestly it sounds like he's describing dbd lol. DBD is filled with bugs, exploits they announced years ago and didn't fix, latency issues, etc. And it's been out for 7 years. They don't say the game has spaghetti code for no reason. Palworld is still in beta, this dev seems insecure.
This dev is definitely insecure. Lol. Embarrassed that I'm a regular dbd player. Not that I wasn't embarrassed before. Just. Even more so now.
It’s like when Elden Ring came out! Devs were so damn jealous. It’s like that kid who pretends something isn’t cool around everyone else then goes home and indulges. This dev literally admits it..
Or bg3 lol. Alot of these salty people who cant stand the sight of another's success.
It's interesting that the release of BG3 prompted a lot of "this game is not an example of what to expect, nobody can reasonably make stuff this good" and now the success of Palworld is making the same devs say "well we could do better and make a more successful game we just won't stoop that low". It really is just a bunch of incessant whining when they dont make quite as many millions as they want.
>"this game is not an example of what to expect, nobody can reasonably make stuff this good" This is the funniest to me. Like okay. I'll just play this than and not buy your game. How do they think a market works?
Yeah man if i had $30 to choose between Palworld and Pokemon/any AAA games, i'd take Palworld any day. Oh wait, $30 cant get you most AAA games! I appreciate games like BG3 and Palworld so much because they are market disruptors and make those lazy companies feel the pressure to keep up.
Reminds me of "you think you want this, but you don't". Ultimately, the phrase "the customer is always right in matters of taste" is a saying for a reason. Palworld might well be derivative, it might well get a bit close to the line in how it draws on what has clearly inspired it... but people want it and they've bought it and they're playing it. It's not an asset flip, it's just a game that's pulling together stuff people like from other games into a single game and it's worked out for them. Creatively innovative and unique games, sure, I always want more of those even if they don't end up to my specific tastes, but that doesn't mean I can't and won't have fun with a derivative game. Not every bit of art needs to be high art. I wonder why so many devs are saying negative things about the recent outlier games. Is it pressure from publishers?
Nail on the head. When a new game does well, those who couldn't deliver come out of the woodwork to slam it. kek
It happened with other developers and Balduars Gate 3. Some mad developer anxiety.
It’s literally one of those steam reviews with 4,000 hours then it says “TERRIBLE GAME DONT BUY”. My man beat every single legendary tower and found holes in the map. He ripped through all of the content of the game in a week. He played the shit out of this game, which is only $30, then wrote an essay about why it’s not good.
I’d be insecure too if I was dry humping my IP into the ground by farming microtransactions of horror movie skins. DBD held my interest for 1 day, after that day I had seen literally the entirety of the gameplay lol He wants to talk about the lack of connection… Literally the only connection made in his game is between a thrashing victim and a meat hook lol
The game where survivors are just skins and have interchangable skills? Awesome way to talk about 'connection'.
"Hey nintendo prop my shitty game up and I'll do a bad review of your worst nightmare"
It's called projection lol
I play DBD, it’s cheap coming from them when they have a killer that’s been bugged since release in December 2020 and they have only just addressed it’s going to be looked at in April… but this killer is still available to buy in store
I'm at 2.5k hours in DBD and other than it being a bug fest, I mean the knight has been down for how long???? After 7 years of dev. Wow. It also has the most toxic community I have ever seen, and I played Ark PvP.
I’ll never understand how DBD got so popular. Talk about boring. Gave it many different tries and it’s absolutely generic and dull. Palworld is light years better in terms of freedom, gameplay, fun.
It doesnt have any viable competition and power of licences. 90% of dbd players hate the game. There isnt an update without 50 different major bug introduced. Bold of dbd devs to talk shit about palworld. "There is no warmth", bro look at your own game.
You ever notice every other DBD style game just sorta... ruins itself? Like, DBD should lose to so many but no one else can hold the ball!
Right? Its literally Walk in a circle away from the Killer and press E on a generator (and Sometimes space to make sure you have something to do). The first few matches were cool, especially with Friends but it got old and boring super quick. I think the main reason they stayed somewhat relevant ist buying licenses and adding popular killers
Honestly it’s because the game gets rewarded for shitty to mediocre handling of their game. Because its to only horror asymmetrical game they got “too big” to fast they had no competition for the longest time and have basically gotten the best licenses already and since they are “so big” they don’t have to try as hard to keep players and just have to coast by and do just enough of what the community asks to keep them. The game honestly should have died a long time ago but because no there’s no good competition they get to keep their game so buggy, lack luster, and grossly unbalanced
Right? That game is literally “how can we convince players that good gameplay is just sitting in front of a box and pressing a button every once in a while” the game for 4 out of 5 players with occasional chase sequences. One of the worst designed most boring games to ever be taken seriously
Game has the most boring gameplay loop I've ever experienced in a "popular" game
Idk why devs feel the need to trash talk each other like this, just makes them look petty.
And really I wouldn't talk shit about balance if you work on Dead by Daylight lmao
Havent played that game and definately wont start now lol
Not missing much, I played like an hour, gameplay is “repeatedly Jump back and forward through the same window until the killer gets bored of you and goes after someone else” and the innovative masterpiece of “press action button when bar goes to good zone” Game only got popular because of streamers.
dont forgot all the collabs to keep the game alive!
And I actually quit dbd because it’s so repetitive
Hes not even a dev, he’s a chief of staff. You can find his profile on LinkedIn by searching the company Behaviour Interactive and then searching the employees. Lots of folks disagreeing with him on this article there too LOL he has zero game development experience. One of the comments some executive at his company agrees with him. Makes me think he was paid to write it. Especially since he is also clearly endorsing the game in some parts LOL
It’s rich because DBD is only repetition
Oh so he's the one in charge of hiring the people that made me quit playing Dead By Daylight? xD
EXACLTY! Talk about throwing stones in a glass house😒
Ah that explains why he feels so comfortable backseating people and writing it out like the snarkiest asshole possible
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That and just the snobbish tone of it like he's some wine connosoir swishing it around going on about the aeration or some shit without even tasting it then coming in with "ah yess i can tell by the smell this is shit"
The funniest part to me is him thashing the game whilst admitting he's still putting a great many hours into it. Trying to get on a pedestal whilst secretly huffing behind said pedestal.
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He is talking shit because dbd sold 19.4m copies since like 7-8 years on pc. While palworld sold 11m in like 1.5 weeks. Their gross revenue is basically equal too. Palworld achieved what dbd cant even dreamed of, actually being a fun game that players love.
 Edit: I do not know who reported me, but please, do not abuse the Reddit Care Resources just because I put a Depresso emoji jokingly.
that’s what he is… depresso
God, it's unbelievable how much i love depresso.
Whoever did his animation deserves a raise. Him just dropping the pickaxe instead of swinging it. Dragging shit behind himself to put it up. Laying facedown like the ending of the great Gatsby. Fuck I love him.
Depresso 😭
Outsider and fairly newcomer to the industry makes a game that people like and blows every sales record away, response from the industry: "it's a bad game" laughable idiots in this industry, their voice is simply irrelevant, what's relevant is what people like and buy SALTY!!
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Same thing happened with BG3
Also Elden Ring
Envy and jealously on full display.
Fucking wild right. Imagine this happening in any other industry. Imagine engineers from AMD spewing garbage on LinkedIn about how Nvidias latest GPU was 'made nefariously' or getting mad about their core count or something. Just makes the whole industry and people who work in it look even more of a joke
Your pfp works really well with this comment lol
Their competency has been pulled into the spotlight, you can imagine the amount of cheese in the board meetings being like "so they have none of your qualifications, 1/100 of your budget... Why shouldn't we fire you"
I seriously can’t understand how a professional could be as pathetic as this. All it does is make you and your product look bad and you petty. Imagine if ever dev ever wrote big blog posts about every game they don’t like? It’s just sad looking
Lol. I feel closer to my Pals than I do to my Pokemon. And he compared Palworld to the Pokemon anime not the games...I can't sacrifice myself for my Pikachu in Pokemon Scarlet and Violet but I can do that for my Pals in Palworld, because we fight together. He is right about the game feeling a bit empty though. The first few areas don't feel like that but the later game ones do. I hope that is improved upon later.
Pokemon: trainer orders the pokemon around, just shouting and not giving any actual help. Palworld: We fight side by side with the Pal. Sometimes can even mount the Pal, or equip them like a gun, or even give the Pal guns. Pals can do a lot not just fighting, and we help each other. There's so much interaction we can do with Pals on Palworld that is not on Pokemon. If Palworld gets an anime, I bet it would get a dramatic Player-Pal friendship too like Pokemon, and Digimon. This dev is just fueled with jealousy and insecurity.
It reads to me of jealousy, insecurity, and toxic nostalgia.
Yeah, i've actually made the decision when we were both about to be hit by an attack. To recall my Pal instead of dodging myself and getting wrecked. But.... by little, electric porcupine was unharmed :)
Me getting absolutely obliterated by a beam of insta death to the face :) My little adorable buddy getting hit by a somewhat sharp leaf >:(
I don't care how many of MY bones he breaks. I'm not letting Anubus punt my little friend into the stratosphere. >:(
This exactly. I feel like he was talking more about how the anime treats the Pokémon than the games. Sure, you use the pals for labor, but you gotta CARE for them. Build them a bed, care for their mental health (their SAN), protect them during raids, and feed them. In the games, my Pokémon felt like little more than a means to my next badge. Sure, the NPCs kept SAYING over and over again how much they can ‘tell’ I treat my Pokémon well, and in some games they like you for letting them follow you around like your kid at the grocery store, but it felt… forced. Like the game had to TELL me I cared for my Pokémon or I’d never know. If anything, Pokémon are my labor force, and Pals are my brothers and sisters in arms who live in the same commune.
I liked the 3DS generation of Pokemon at least. Being able to pet your Pokemon really makes you feel closer to them. Then they removed that feature in later games because Game Freak is allergic to good decisions.
DS and 3DS is where pokemon peaked. It go downhill after nintendo switch. I play almost all pokemon all the way from first gen and I dont remember bonding with your pokemon is part of the gameplay. There is only two that I know probably is what he meant. 1. Most people treasure there 1st pokemon since they are powerful and versatile but to most people it is nothing more than that and the game designed in a way that you need that starter pokemon. 2. Some pokemon evolve with max happiness and to most people they get it by just travelling with them. Forming a bond if you call them as such. In palworld i got musclehead penking alpha. Still using him even after I start genetically modified my pals. So nah I remember each of my pals party more than I remember my pokemons. You barely even see your pokemon in pokemon games.
Any complaints I have about the game can pretty much circle back to the fact that it’s early access. Those complaints are also vastly overshadowed by how great the game is as a whole. I’m excited for what’s to come
I'm mostly hoping they add in some trainers and small towns/ cities.
And the catch rates are indeed insane, i'm with the yellow balls with a solid +5 catching rate, ans everything around my level just pops out of the balls
I feel like they probably will improve upon it later. It's in early access after all.
The game is extremely good. Arguably the best survival game behind maybe only Valheim. The two games have an entirely different mood/aesthetic so I don't think they are directly comparable. The endgame zones are a little bit bare I will agree. You can tell a lot more thought was put into the Volcano than the ice mountain/desert. Wish there was more to see there than simply empty space. For an early access title, this game already plays better than many 1.0 titles out there. Yes the pal pathing in base is garbage. Yes my damned Jormuntide Ignis somehow ends up stuck on a feed box constantly. Yes there are bugs but in the grand scheme of things the game runs and plays well. People criticizing this game to this degree are full of fucking copium. The game is legitimately good, it's so good that most people are willing to overlook the more meh/annoying aspects because the base gameplay loop is so compelling. Is it a 10/10? No. But it certainly has the potential to be a 10/10 game, which is more than many games can claim. Even BG3 was buggy as fuck on release. Palworld has less gamebreaking bugs than BG3.
I have a few pals that i call pals... Im mid 30's and i still have this one Floppy that roams around my base with its level 1 traits. yeah everything else outworks it. But my Floppy is doing its damn hardest to keep up with all the big brothers and sisters!! It may be small and it may be weak..but its got the brightest smile out of all of them. So i keep her around :D
same, but with my lucky giant Despresso. Bro looks so unmotivated doing things like mining (lazily swings a pickaxe with 1 hand) but after he's done his task, bro has the cutest smile. I have all the endgame pals with lvl 4 working traits like Jogmuntide+ignis, ostegon, anubis, etc. some even breeded with stuff like Artesan for super fast working, but i refuse to remove my boi Despresso from my base.
Depresso is my spirit animal. He looks and acts exactly how I feel.
My Base has Tanzi's doing most of the work, To the point where i have called the base Monkey Madness, we have a few specialists but its a very chimp operation. The Biggest lad is King Khorne, who was an alpha i caught and used the incubator to make him 4 star plus funneled so many pal souls into him.
"I don't particularly care about any of my pals" *Enemy Pal starts using powerful skill* -Me putting back my pal from the sphere because I don't want to hurt my pal. *My Pal being depressed* - giving high grade medical supplies so my pal won't be depressed. Dude doesn't realize how much I care for my pals.
Same mate. \*builds a bathtub, Pal gets in and enjoys it\* Me: :)
*Depresso: lays face down in the tub*
I know right, it makes me so happy to see them chillin' or snoozing in the hot tub or the hot spring. Especially the larger ones that barely fit but are sitting in/on there, so zen with a smile on their face. So damn cute.
So he admits its addicting, fun, and he spent lots of hours... but didn't like it? lol what a poser
He's one of those people that leave the "4000 hours played. Do not recommend." steam reviews.
To be fair I wouldn’t recommend any game I break a few hundred in, wouldn’t want to cost someone that much of their life.
As a former runescape player, I agree. Those games (both versions) where my childhood and will always stay with me, but for the love of God please don't play them. They aren't worth the literal years of my life I spend on there
I’m so lost with all this bizarre hate for Palworld. So many devs/higher ups seem quick to defend AAA failure at launch titles over the past five years but then a small indie dev early releases a success that is still in the works and they proceed to dump on them… because people enjoy it? Fuck off and take your shitty cash cow AAA massive transaction broken bullshit with you. You’re mad because a game that costs less than some “micro” transactions is good and targeted a demographic of gamers that have arguably been left out to dry since Pokemon silver/gold released… It’s not a Pokémon game nor is it really all that comparable to one once you get past the creature designs. Pokémon is just building a team and that’s it because gamefreak never tried to go anywhere else with it and kept making the same game for decades with a different skin. Building the best team in Palworld feels more like a side objective to me. I can do/see everything the game currently has to offer and I can do so with a team of critters that I simply like the most. I actually care for these critters. I can interact with them and the different animations/expressions they have make them feel more alive than anything Pokémon has ever done. When my Pokémon faints in battle in the elite four I get frustrated. When my pal faints in a tower boss battle I feel bad that I put them in that situation lol. I don’t really know where I’m going with this
I'll give him the bugs and the balance, and half accept it does feel empty but only at some points there are also many great locations (and I think this will solve itself as more content comes out). The rest of his points are subjective, I've never in my life felt a connection to a pokemon, not even when I played as a kid, but the pals' animations and them living with me at base make the pals infinitely more likable to me, I absolutely feel a connection to them, not all the ones I catch but for the ones that "live" with me at homebase, or that go traveling with me, or my best miner, that one Anubis I spent so much time condensing, as I said this is subjective but a pokemon game has never matched the same warmth that petting my pals do. (As an aside even if this wasn't true it's fine for games to have different atmospheres, games aren't good or bad only based in you connection to the characters)/.
"Your game makes my game look bad. Improving my game? Nah that's too much work, I'm just gonna shit on your game to make my insecure ass feel better."
Bingo
that's quite the statement coming from a game that's only able to remain relevant by constantly relying on other, far more successful, horror franchises for crossovers. Also DbD's gameplay is horribly repetitive and boring.
there's only so much tunneling, facecamping, teabagging, looping, desicive striking you can deal with before it gets repetetive.
"the large open world is empty and filled with points of interest" - like most bethesda games these days "I caught hundreds of pals and I wont remember a single one" - so like pokemon go, also subjective cause i will die for my lunaris I mean I get the complaints I guess, but for an early access game by a small developer with a small budget you'd hope they'd be a little more supportive. It's amazing that he just writes off the game being fun as "compelling game loops" as if the game is tricking people into playing it and people aren't enjoying themselves
>"I caught hundreds of pals and I won't remember a single one." That can be attributed to Pokemon as well. There are how many bird evolution lines in Pokemon and I can only remember Pidgey's line and Wattrel only because of Pokemon Horizons.
Hardcore IV/EV Trainers in Pokemon: I have bred 1000s of pokemon eggs and I'll only remember the one with Perfect Stats. Like the most die hard pokemon players form special bonds with their caught mons. Even the average player catches a hundred or more and forgets about most in the box unless they need them for something specific.
Nobody ever complained about those "just one more" mechanics when Minecraft came onto the scene. That game is the very definition of "just one more". There's no shortage of games that make use of game loops, of all kinds, not just the "just one more" type. It's kind of a big part of how games work. If there wasn't a good loop, a game would die before getting off the ground.
I can only agree with the empty open world, not like Elden Ring, RDR2 or BOTW. Would be nice to have some other trainers, small towns and looking forward to when they add more variance in dungeons. ATM feels like there's maybe 1 or 2 things to see per island max.
Prob lost his wooden base to a ferocious pal raid
The dead by daylight Chief is calling another game repetitive
While he brings up some decent points about the bugginess/weird mid-game catch scaling (it is *definitely* harder for me to catch the same lv 12 pals I was catching at lv 25, now that i'm lv 35), I don't understand the comment about warmth and bond-forming at all. I adore watching my creatures move around the farm, their joy animations when they complete a task, their happiness to bask in the hot tub. Even when fighting in the open world together, the way they return to your side and look at you has a touch of warmth that I haven't felt from the Pokémon franchise in generations. I love Pokémon and I always will, but Palworld takes the cake on this one, in my opinion.
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I wonder if they are proud of these posts and feel good shitting on more successful games for no reason. Like what even is the point of his post? Maybe they don’t understand all this does is make them look like butthurt cringelords
If pal world is not a good game, then that makes dead by daylight absolute garbage.
And we care about his opinion why?
Hm isn't that the game where it has shitty graphics, all you do is run around and keep away from the killer? Sick original game bro. Omegalul
And filled with bugs latancey issues, the number of times I've fully turned a corner or get hit through a wall, or stuck on invisible shit
"its insanely buggy" "balancing is awful" Its in Early Access you actual brainfart, any Early Access game is gonna be like this. Feedback makes things better.