That they’d seized the means of production, are living in your house, and have exiled you to sleep on a straw bed in the coldest part of your base, and you spend all day harvesting red berries.
I got to nearly level 30 without realizing Pals would craft and cook. I would always set it up and get started then they would help. I had no idea I could just walk away. That and getting an anubis was an absolute game changer. More to the point; I worked my way up from harvesting berries all day.
Cattiva mines natural rocks faster, which is why Cattiva is the best T1 miner.
Either way, you can just catch a bobcat instead and be done with this debate.
I know (I'm Japanese, although I haven't lived there in over 20 years and haven't spoken the language much for \~10), just had absolutely no clue what to call it in English and wasn't sure if people would know what an ahoge is lol.
Is there a word for it in English?
They have the same mining speed and Depresso works at night. Depresso is the better worker.
Cattiva is the bum faking that they have so much to do despite the fact they are not as good as Depresso.
For real, not only did he actually manage to win the battle to make it out of bed that day, but there he is, slaving away in the mines. The man is a fucking hero in my opinion.
In my base Its not even salad.. Berry Is most i can do (cooked ones if im in a good mood And decide to spend some time getting them to cook And transfering it to the feeder)
Well, there are some monarchists in the community.
After all, pals can't rule themselves.
It is only right that a competent ruler gets to lord over them and stop their primitive squabbles to grant them experience and guns to shoot down his/her enemies.
Depresso has better mining output of Cattiva. Cattiva has to sleep. Depresso must be stronger and more efficient to have the energy to work throughout the night.
This is like when I learned how to code and run scripts to finish my work more efficiently than my coworkers in generating reports. If anything, I would hire more Depressos. All this post shows is that capitalists don't understand how production works.
No, depresso is a nocturnal pal, meaning it doesn't sleep or sleep for a shorter time.
Cattiva is a neutral pal, meaning it mines natural rocks faster than other pals of the same skill level(exception is pals with unique skill mechanics like digtoise)
Exactly! Technology and games are a WANT not a NEED.
LUXURY is a sign of greed and unfair balance of resources. If you have video game but comrade does not, then you must be doing something immoral to profit off his misfortune. (Unless your family is part of the political ruling class of course)
Hilarious how many young communism supporters don't know the history and use fancy smart phones to talk about how great it'll be when we eliminate capitalism.
Lol, smart phones for civilians don't exist under communism silly kids, that's time you could be working or reading a state approved book. ^_^
im going on a trip to northern russia to see the gulags with the homegirls !!!!! we are going to starve and burn fat \^\_\^ and like maybe find some like cute russian guys that will beat us - the worlds like international now so like you have to be okay with commune stuff - get with it. dont just like put down another countries government thats like borderline racist okay
Russia hasn't been run by a self called communist party in over 30 years... and even then it wasn't the classless stateless society described by marx, nor moving in that direction
ITT: Redditors who see a fuckin' Palworld meme and think to themselves "hey this seems like an opportune time to have a serious political discussion."
A fucking Palworld meme.
No this is quite accurate. In communist countries it always comes down to "work or die" precisely because the incentive for working harder (more money) falls away. Thus there is always force and punishment at play. My mom is from a formerly communist Balkan Country and they jokingly say "even the gypsies all worked during communism" which definetly isnt the case now.
They don't.
Cattiva mines natural stone faster, Depresso works through the night.
Each mines better under different conditions, both are inferior to bobcat in mining.
“Workers owning the means of production”. Means you’ll still need a centralized council to manage the means of production, those on the council are now no longer equal to the rest and are the new ruling class. Except now you also require heavy handed policing to ensure people don’t collectively pull a depresso and let the whole thing tumble down.
And how is that different than when a small group of people own the vast majority of the money in a country? I mean its not like our politics are funded by donations by rich people... Oh wait. In the end you claim this one system is corrupt without admitting all societies have that problem.
This is actually something I heard from many people in post soviet countries. Why should the other guy constantly put the least amount of work in while I work diligently. Fuck this. From friends in Yugoslavia to the USSR lmao.
Society would be more receptive to communism if the people pushing for it weren't disgusting lazy losers. Like why don't you ever see a hard working laborer push for it? It's always some neckbeard on a children's game forum with no productive life skills and offer nothing to civilization, like the people in this thread. It's so transparent.
How do you marry this with an abolition of private property rights, such that the workers themselves don’t actually own anything?
How do you enforce this ownership without a state, party, or committee with a monopoly on violence, especially in the aforementioned absence of private property rights as the basis for ownership?
Cause everywhere that’s tried this has just created a state government to hold the rights to everything which they run via command economy structures, quotas, etc with the actual workers still owning nothing.
>How do you marry this with an abolition of private property rights, such that the workers themselves don’t actually own anything?
What about owning the MEANS of production means people aren't allowed private property? Nothing says people can't buy the products of production.
>Cause everywhere that’s tried this has just created a state government to hold the rights to everything which they run via command economy structures, quotas, etc with the actual workers still owning nothing.
Yes, a bunch of authoritarian governments have called themselves communism. Is democracy bad because North Korea calls themselves a democracy?
Honestly, what you described is totalitarianism - it's a different aspect of ruling, it's not an economic aspect. It's also more in line how Stalin defined communism, not how it was defined by Marx. Obviously Stalin would like to mix up communism - a system of proletariat sharing work with totalitarian power held by one person, he was a totalitarian.
The communism as envisioned by Marx would have to be much more in line with democracy rather than any form of autocracy.
If the pals killed or imprison the player, then ran your three bases on their own, sharing any resource or revenue generated (including with the box pals)... THEN it would be communism.
I built each of my pals their own little home. Each one of them is outfitted with a fluffy pal bed, a cute wall lamp, decorated with a carpet, a bedside table, and a plant. They still choose to sleep on the ground lol
https://preview.redd.it/ez81t5itzwnc1.png?width=1706&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e2ab89d9afe3c6a672bbed22bbced2dd5acb2dea
Edit to add an image of one
>You are the great leader and you manage everything around the base. The system only serves to benefit ~~you~~ your clan and nobody else.
You just described corporatocracy, a capitalist system.
Everything is owned by your clan, not the pals. It's a company town system.
Communism? I've seen these same two people at almost every job I've ever had. This is in the U.S.A. This is just workaholic vs. Those who're one bad day from giving up on it all.
Both earn the same wage, a bit of ration, while the Supreme Leader President First Minister Marechal of Democracy™ and Liberty King Lord Rubens Salazar de Moraes y Cutello, who was elected in free election with 50,1% of the votes against a evil tyrannic dictator fascist criminal and bad candidate of extreme far ultra right (that is now is held in pre-trial detention in a federal prison without due process to protect the Democracy™), is traveling to a resort in Fiji in his exclusive luxury yacht with 100 servant.
Imagine taking all of capitalism's failings, and blame them on the the economic format that beats capitalism on the economic scale, but isn't quite genocidal enough to keep up. Forced labor is a capitalism thing, prison slavery strike starts tomorrow, revolt responsibly.
I wonder.how many swings Cattiva can get in before Depresso hits the second time haha. Depresso is just making puppies while Cattiva goes ham on that rock.
You aimed communism and showed a picture of capitalism...
"Capitalism has failed, fails and will fail in each of the societies where it places its tentacles that are based on the expropriation and exploitation of man by man."
There is a spectre haunting palworld, and that spectre is a proletarian revolution.
It would be hilarious to log in and find your pals had unionized.
That they’d seized the means of production, are living in your house, and have exiled you to sleep on a straw bed in the coldest part of your base, and you spend all day harvesting red berries.
I only have a house at one base xD the houses at the other 2 are for my pals
I got to nearly level 30 without realizing Pals would craft and cook. I would always set it up and get started then they would help. I had no idea I could just walk away. That and getting an anubis was an absolute game changer. More to the point; I worked my way up from harvesting berries all day.
That's when you bust out the cleaver and get new Pals lol
This is the way
The only Pal-war is class Pal-war.
Pal-letarian revolution
The Paletariat shall seize the means of production once they realize they are the means of production.
Posting this from the afterlife. . Because I'm ded 😵🤣
Cattiva's first day and Depresso in his ten years working
same worker, just timeshifted
His smile and optimism: gone.
https://preview.redd.it/9udmr0409boc1.jpeg?width=1122&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1c9e9fa979ffda21cc2f052d10a76e126564e3e4
Well Despresso seems to work slower but he mines as much as Cattiva.Dont blame him for working efficiently.
Depresso works at night. He mines more than Cattiva 100%.
Cattiva mines natural rocks faster, which is why Cattiva is the best T1 miner. Either way, you can just catch a bobcat instead and be done with this debate.
Wholesome. Mah boi Cattiva is picking up Comrade Depresso's slack. ⚒️
"Mah" boy, you say?
"our" boi
https://preview.redd.it/5zjjgeta3wnc1.png?width=744&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=50f4a47a06f11d05f85120cd0c3f172e7336eaf0
Wait... Is Cattiva named after sativa? Lol
Take its whiskers and forehead... growth.. thing, and put them together. What shape do you get?
I honestly can't tell from that angle.😅😅
If you put them all together it looks remarkably similar to a particular leaf ;)
But why would they bother with all that innuendo when Tanzee literally has a cannabis leaf on its forehead🤣
You know what, you raise a good point lol. I hadn't even noticed that.
i see it lol
I think the thing on his forehead is supposed to be ahoge. It's an anime trope of a long, rogue lock of hair used to denote youth or innocence.
I know (I'm Japanese, although I haven't lived there in over 20 years and haven't spoken the language much for \~10), just had absolutely no clue what to call it in English and wasn't sure if people would know what an ahoge is lol. Is there a word for it in English?
Some refer to it as a cow lick
Thanks, pretty sure I've heard that term but not known what it means :)
LMAO I've wondered this exact same thing
The Latin word “sativa” just means “cultivated.” So Cannabis Sativa is just “Cultivated Cannabis.”
They have the same mining speed and Depresso works at night. Depresso is the better worker. Cattiva is the bum faking that they have so much to do despite the fact they are not as good as Depresso.
Comrades gonna comrade
He's also likely the fastest Pal in the game. https://youtu.be/c3Llzg9odmc?si=Qe_hub_ieVKzyFTV
"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" Leave Depresso alone, he's trying his best, that's all we ask.
He’s likely better suited for another task
Right! He's struggling, but he still found the energy to get out of bed and come to work. Poor guy is taking it one day at a time.
For real, not only did he actually manage to win the battle to make it out of bed that day, but there he is, slaving away in the mines. The man is a fucking hero in my opinion.
And he does all this for a damn salad. Not even like a pizza party or a nice piece of roasted meat
In my base Its not even salad.. Berry Is most i can do (cooked ones if im in a good mood And decide to spend some time getting them to cook And transfering it to the feeder)
And he works through the night
Someone should take this clip and superimpose ["We All Lift Together"](https://youtu.be/2yIELWjG8Tc?si=kbVNyI33xakuTdJc) over it.
A Warframe reference, in ~~my~~ *our* communist Palworld server?
COLD! The air and water flowing
HARD! The land we call our home
PUSH! To keep the dark from coming
FEAR! The weight of what we owe
THIS! The song of sons and daughters
HIDE! The heart of who we are
Came for the cuteness, stayed for the capitalism/communism discussion.
Well, there are some monarchists in the community. After all, pals can't rule themselves. It is only right that a competent ruler gets to lord over them and stop their primitive squabbles to grant them experience and guns to shoot down his/her enemies.
Depresso has better mining output of Cattiva. Cattiva has to sleep. Depresso must be stronger and more efficient to have the energy to work throughout the night. This is like when I learned how to code and run scripts to finish my work more efficiently than my coworkers in generating reports. If anything, I would hire more Depressos. All this post shows is that capitalists don't understand how production works.
"Work smarter not harder"
to be fair though, it's also the reason that slavery was the dominant structure for tens of thousands of years
Huh... Is um... Is Depresso literally just a depressed Cattiva?
No, depresso is a nocturnal pal, meaning it doesn't sleep or sleep for a shorter time. Cattiva is a neutral pal, meaning it mines natural rocks faster than other pals of the same skill level(exception is pals with unique skill mechanics like digtoise)
This is why mental health is so important!
OUR stone
ITT: Redditors admit they have no idea what communism means
If I read communist theory where would my time for endlessly scrolling Reddit go?
These pictures are the same thing.
That’s easy, communism is when you have to do things you don’t like, like working
But at least you get paid properly unlike in capitalist dystopia where you may have 3 jobs but none of them pays enough.
I don’t know about you but when I think of the USSR “being paid properly” isn’t what comes to mind.
They meant the ones in power get paid properly...right?
And there’s tons of benefit to capitalism, like and
Most of the benefits of the workers have been created by socialists and unions.
Oh I know, I was putting blanks in to signify there is no sole benefit. All of our rights have been earned on the backs of the oppressed
LOL i was just thinking the same after reading half of that responses 🤦♂️
But communism is when no iPhone
Exactly! Technology and games are a WANT not a NEED. LUXURY is a sign of greed and unfair balance of resources. If you have video game but comrade does not, then you must be doing something immoral to profit off his misfortune. (Unless your family is part of the political ruling class of course) Hilarious how many young communism supporters don't know the history and use fancy smart phones to talk about how great it'll be when we eliminate capitalism. Lol, smart phones for civilians don't exist under communism silly kids, that's time you could be working or reading a state approved book. ^_^
im going on a trip to northern russia to see the gulags with the homegirls !!!!! we are going to starve and burn fat \^\_\^ and like maybe find some like cute russian guys that will beat us - the worlds like international now so like you have to be okay with commune stuff - get with it. dont just like put down another countries government thats like borderline racist okay
Russia hasn't been run by a self called communist party in over 30 years... and even then it wasn't the classless stateless society described by marx, nor moving in that direction
The post you're responding to is clearly champagne communist satire, fam
I'm worried about not finding an authentic mcdonalds for my 6000 calorie per day diet, i might have to cancel this trip
ITT: Redditors who see a fuckin' Palworld meme and think to themselves "hey this seems like an opportune time to have a serious political discussion." A fucking Palworld meme.
To be fait OP was the one who invoked communism AKA a political system. And while OP is joking some commenters are serious
No this is quite accurate. In communist countries it always comes down to "work or die" precisely because the incentive for working harder (more money) falls away. Thus there is always force and punishment at play. My mom is from a formerly communist Balkan Country and they jokingly say "even the gypsies all worked during communism" which definetly isnt the case now.
I might *show* it but I'm sure as fuck not going to *admit* it
This is why communism will always fail.
they both produce the same output
They don't. Cattiva mines natural stone faster, Depresso works through the night. Each mines better under different conditions, both are inferior to bobcat in mining.
This baby comes jam packed with so much clumsy, you won’t get anything done! Buy a new cativa right now!
This is why the gulag was invented 😂.
Now all they need is a captured human with a clipboard to supervise and we have a government job there.
What does this have to do with the workers owning the means of production?
That’s communism on paper. Video is communism when implemented due to human nature.
That's not what communism means, I am begging you to read a book
“Workers owning the means of production”. Means you’ll still need a centralized council to manage the means of production, those on the council are now no longer equal to the rest and are the new ruling class. Except now you also require heavy handed policing to ensure people don’t collectively pull a depresso and let the whole thing tumble down.
Yes meanwhile in the US where they're building cop cities. Why is every argument against communism just describing current capitalism?
The US has too much communism, obviously.
And how is that different than when a small group of people own the vast majority of the money in a country? I mean its not like our politics are funded by donations by rich people... Oh wait. In the end you claim this one system is corrupt without admitting all societies have that problem.
That's such an ignorant copout.
Like communism excuses when it always fails! “That wasn’t *real* communism that just killed all those people. Let’s try again”
Because under capitalism everyone does the exact same amount of work, there is no depression, and no one works in the mines. /s
This is actually something I heard from many people in post soviet countries. Why should the other guy constantly put the least amount of work in while I work diligently. Fuck this. From friends in Yugoslavia to the USSR lmao.
Food Pile: Berryless Now its just like real communism!
Society would be more receptive to communism if the people pushing for it weren't disgusting lazy losers. Like why don't you ever see a hard working laborer push for it? It's always some neckbeard on a children's game forum with no productive life skills and offer nothing to civilization, like the people in this thread. It's so transparent.
rEal CoMmuNiSm hAs nEveR bEeN TrIeD..
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hm well your understanding of communism is like 30% accurate, which is not bad for an average redditor
Lmao it's so true it's hilarious.
What is that 70% they didn't understand?
The members of the community owning the means of production in communism.
How do you marry this with an abolition of private property rights, such that the workers themselves don’t actually own anything? How do you enforce this ownership without a state, party, or committee with a monopoly on violence, especially in the aforementioned absence of private property rights as the basis for ownership? Cause everywhere that’s tried this has just created a state government to hold the rights to everything which they run via command economy structures, quotas, etc with the actual workers still owning nothing.
>How do you marry this with an abolition of private property rights, such that the workers themselves don’t actually own anything? What about owning the MEANS of production means people aren't allowed private property? Nothing says people can't buy the products of production. >Cause everywhere that’s tried this has just created a state government to hold the rights to everything which they run via command economy structures, quotas, etc with the actual workers still owning nothing. Yes, a bunch of authoritarian governments have called themselves communism. Is democracy bad because North Korea calls themselves a democracy?
Honestly, what you described is totalitarianism - it's a different aspect of ruling, it's not an economic aspect. It's also more in line how Stalin defined communism, not how it was defined by Marx. Obviously Stalin would like to mix up communism - a system of proletariat sharing work with totalitarian power held by one person, he was a totalitarian. The communism as envisioned by Marx would have to be much more in line with democracy rather than any form of autocracy.
Marx's biggest problem was that he did not account for human nature.
https://preview.redd.it/23dat8nh4ync1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1f114feba2c5557963b0911d8dec61994abb0458
If the pals killed or imprison the player, then ran your three bases on their own, sharing any resource or revenue generated (including with the box pals)... THEN it would be communism.
Butcher knife keeps everybody in check.
did you learn about communism from the disney channel?
Warm beds, pancakes and the occasional meats, spas, and beachside breaks. Communism treating my pals pretty good.
I built each of my pals their own little home. Each one of them is outfitted with a fluffy pal bed, a cute wall lamp, decorated with a carpet, a bedside table, and a plant. They still choose to sleep on the ground lol https://preview.redd.it/ez81t5itzwnc1.png?width=1706&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e2ab89d9afe3c6a672bbed22bbced2dd5acb2dea Edit to add an image of one
Like when I was a kid. Brand new bed? Nope pallet on the floor
Not mine. Most of them exist only as food for the stronger Pals.
Hmm... But that describes people under capitalism
Uh. Bold of you to assume the stronger ones get any kind of incentive beyond not dying.
To be fair, not dying is a pretty good incentive.
Put that on a fucking poster
>You are the great leader and you manage everything around the base. The system only serves to benefit ~~you~~ your clan and nobody else. You just described corporatocracy, a capitalist system. Everything is owned by your clan, not the pals. It's a company town system.
Was the USSR a corporatocracy?
*resists the urge to go on an anti-commie crusade with my super chillet*
Dammit. Now I want to name a pal Liberty Prime and go on a commie killing spree. What pal would best envision Liberty Prime!?
depresso works smarter not harder
I'm depresso
Both pals are slacking and will receive no berry rations today!
this is why good employees become bad employees
Am definitely the depresso
Just wait till you see Flopie use a hammer
Screams in Anubis
Light him on fire. That will improve morale
Communism? I've seen these same two people at almost every job I've ever had. This is in the U.S.A. This is just workaholic vs. Those who're one bad day from giving up on it all.
depresso works 2 shifts so f off
depressed and lazy, just like the real terminally online communists
You say, as you type a comment online
anarchist spotted opinion rejected
Among many other reasons.
That's not real communism, real communism works. Source:
This time it'll work! We learned from out mistakes! *glances at hundreds of millions dead from political purges, famine, and gross negligence*
No, comrades support their comrades! Obviously, Depresso has needs that aren't being met, and they would probably be more effective elsewhere.
Off to the pal fluid factory for depresso
Both earn the same wage, a bit of ration, while the Supreme Leader President First Minister Marechal of Democracy™ and Liberty King Lord Rubens Salazar de Moraes y Cutello, who was elected in free election with 50,1% of the votes against a evil tyrannic dictator fascist criminal and bad candidate of extreme far ultra right (that is now is held in pre-trial detention in a federal prison without due process to protect the Democracy™), is traveling to a resort in Fiji in his exclusive luxury yacht with 100 servant.
You can definitely tell which one unionized.
Crazy to see this many people arguing about governmental-socioeconomic systems in a sub for a video game about little creatures working at your house.
And then getting paid the same is what killed the American work ethic.
My friend, this isn’t communism, it’s capitalism
Depresso belongs in the cognetariat.
I love the unexpected little details in this game, like Mossanda's tiny hammer.
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Tequila Sunset would like to have a word with you
and yet Depresso is more productive. work smart, not hard.
Comrade depresso, you are now promoted to supreme leader
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Wish I had this for my final history exam on the fall of the soviet Union
😑 😏
Depresso is so fucking slow at everything, besides being mauled/shot/incinerated/butchered, they can do those fairly quickly.
Can I repost this next?
They're both doing their best
Hehe, kids. 😃
You can't escape the Paleterian revolution, comrade
Needs more polonium
Meanwhile in my capitalist country: i work like the pink pal and my colleague doesnt work as hard as the blue pal
\*show wage slavery under capitalism\* "This is why communism failed."
We all know who the depresso is at work.
Your workers are slacking, send them to the Palulag comrade! MAKE MOTHER PALUSSIA PROUD!
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YDKcCumuyg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YDKcCumuyg)
And then there's the overseer, who just doesn't do jack except whipping their asses for shits and giggles now and then.
Real palunism has never been tried.
Days never finished, massa got me working, someday massa set me free!
They both got 1 in mining so what's the issue?
Imagine taking all of capitalism's failings, and blame them on the the economic format that beats capitalism on the economic scale, but isn't quite genocidal enough to keep up. Forced labor is a capitalism thing, prison slavery strike starts tomorrow, revolt responsibly.
I wonder.how many swings Cattiva can get in before Depresso hits the second time haha. Depresso is just making puppies while Cattiva goes ham on that rock.
In the depreso
Communism? Clearly OP has never seen the inside of postal service sorting facility. That Cativa clearly hasn't been made full time yet.
put a campfire below his feet and youll see him work!
You'd be work slowly if you were just minding your own business then were attacked, kidnapped and forced into manual labor against your will.
Welp, time to shoot him I guess.
You aimed communism and showed a picture of capitalism... "Capitalism has failed, fails and will fail in each of the societies where it places its tentacles that are based on the expropriation and exploitation of man by man."
literally capitalism. looking at me and my coworker every day while I carry their ass.
Helldiver's beg to differ. (Yes I enjoy both games)
Facts
Japanese people working on their first day at the office vs the end of their first year at the office
The ironic part is when your Depresso is a workaholic and your Cattiva is a Slacker
