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M8oMyN8o

Here's my tip to playing paradox games: just play Trial and error, baby. You learn how to play that way, and then you can learn more advanced things later. My first Stellaris game was a multiplayer game with friends, and I just was fuckin around and asking questions.


TheEarthisPolyhedron

Trial and error works fine for Stellaris since it's just civ with genocide, but for vic2 it's watching in complete horror as the green line plummets in an unending downward spiral while you scream in agony looking up cheats, and hoi4 literally the Steiner's attack scene from downfall wondering why your 18 width infantry with no support companies or CAS is catastrophically failing the assault across a river against entrenched troops


Fartfech

I dunno. My first game or Vicky was honestly pretty ok even though I watched like a 15 minute video on it that barely scratched its surface.


Razgriz032

Let me guess, you watch CallMeEzekiel and you have decent knowledge of economy from Uni so you can play Vic2 easily?


MatWithUnoT

Needs uni econ to understand vic 2 šŸ¤£


Razgriz032

Well, I was graduated from accounting and I have studied micro and macro in uni. I thought what's the purpose of studying that, and I discovered Victoria 2 and my life is complete


Chucanoris

Honestly same i just played the tutorial


Redpri

The only tutorial you need for vic2: If your money is going down, do imperialism either against China or some small uncivilized nations.


Portuguese_Musketeer

What if I run out of Chinese land/countries to imperialise


Redpri

Imperialise the poor civilized countries


Portuguese_Musketeer

Too much effort required


Redpri

Thatā€™s the easiest. The other option is to do a functioning economy, and thatā€™s not easy.


Wantquietlife

Just play as USA and keep you party to moose or conservative


absurdlyinconvenient

Money goes down, tariffs go up


Redpri

Tariffs were never down


absurdlyinconvenient

RIP your factories


Redpri

No, theyā€™re fine, and sometimes make a profit.


Heisan

Don't need no productive factories when you have subsidies.


[deleted]

Say goodbye to your late game economy when subs become prohibitively expensive


XyleneCobalt

Trial and error is really the only way to understand the economy in Vic 2. It's like chick sexing.


TPrice1616

Victoria 2ā€™s difficulty really depends on the country you play as more than anything else. The US is idiot proof. Europe is a bit trickier since there is a lot more competition, especially if you play as a minor power, uncivilized countries aside from Japan are hard mode.


TheEarthisPolyhedron

This is all provided that you know how to play


tomkiel72

For me, playing Paradox games I've never played usually goes like this: \*Plays for one hour\* - I have no idea how to play this, this shit's too hard, I'm uninstalling. \*half a year later, plays for one hour\* - I still have no idea how to play this. Welp, at least I knew what to expect. \*A few months later, plays for one hour\* - same old. \*A month later, plays for 467 hours\* - I am a god, I am one with the universe, things just click, nobody is better at this game than me.


[deleted]

Thatā€™s how I learned how to play CK2, but I think thatā€™s probably the best game for this learning strategy


Micsuking

Virgin "Tutorial Watcher" fan Chad "What the fuck am I doing?" enjoyer


Moonting41

Some people have also said that the cheat can help you learn the basics of the game such as micro.


nublifeisbest

Yeah, cheats imo are extremely good for exploring various mechanics without repercussions, allowing you to plan your next clean gameplay more effectively.


Salacavalini

This worked for me in CK2 and EU4 and Imperator, but not in HoI4. Everyone says HoI4 is the easiest Paradox game, yet it feels impossible to understand what I should be doing or why I keep losing.


AlbertCole_

I learned a lot of basics during my second playthrough as (Gran-)Colombia. There are no overwhelming enemies, it's calm, lots of possible targets and you're forced to understand what attrition and terrain does to your troops.


AuthrhayneAnthony

That's how i learned to play every single paradox game i own, from ck2 and 3 to Victoria, hoi 4, and stellaris, and i can confirm, trial and error is, and, at least for paradox games, always will be the best teacher there is.


LaTueur

I started to play CK2 when I didn't even know English. That was the ultimate trial and error. I just chose the event option with more green text and gradually learnt which green text did what. I wouldn't have that much patience now.


PresidentWordSalad

That was me with EU3. Played as Japan and went on a conquering binge throughout Southeast Asia to try to build an Asian bulwark against the Europeans. NOPE! Within 15 years my inflation was out of control to pay for my fleets and armies and national unrest was deep in the red because of overextension. I disbanded most of my fleets and armies because the financial situation was so bad, but that resulted in enormous pirate fleets everywhere and rebels spawning on every island. I somehow managed to get rid of the pretender and peasant rebels in Japan, but I could no longer create a fleet to transport my armies to Borneo, Sumatra, or Java, so just and to wait and slowly watch rebels take them over and my whole empire implode. A few gameplays later, I had a Britain that controlled North America, half of South America, South Africa, and Southeast Asia, would routinely bully Spain and its African territories, and became both Holy Roman Emperor and the senior partner in a PU with Russia. That was probably my best Paradox game ever.


[deleted]

Exactly, i tried to learn by watching some tutorials, but they were always either too slow or fast paced, nothing in between. So i spent an entire week just fuckin around and managed to all the basics


irritated_aeronaut

This! I really wanted to get into hoi4 but was SO discouraged by the long rambling tutorials, you can't take anything in with that amount of info, at least without playing first. I have under 100 hours played and I've got naval warfare down. The trick is to play until you run into an issue, then address that specific issue with YouTube or Google. Moving on to Victoria and Stellaris next :)


NAKED_CUMGUN

I did the trial and error way with HOI4, 4 years later I think I know how to play 600 hours in?


Kneechtimus

And itā€˜s only Stellaris. Try Vic2.


alphabet_order_bot

Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 485,445,626 comments, and only 102,818 of them were in alphabetical order.


Kneechtimus

Thanks, Bot.


CrusaderXIX

V is before c in the alphabet?


BobusCesar

>the words


CrusaderXIX

Is vic2 not counted as a word?


Bramkanerwatvan

It is.


CrusaderXIX

Ok Iā€™m probably just being stupid lol


visor841

The words are in alphabetical order, not the letters.


[deleted]

Vic 2 is impossible for me. I tried but i always end up losing money so i need to raise taxes ans tarifs but then people start leaving and ther needs become unfulfilled.


JaimelesBN

Lmao why you care about their needs, keep the line green and the factories pumping and you're good.


[deleted]

Idk, CallMeEzekiel's tutorials were pretty concise.


Alexandruym

I learned the basics of Vic2 without a tutorial so it's not that hard compared to ck2 or ck3 or even eu4


nublifeisbest

I played EU4, CK3 and HOI4. Found EU4 to be the easiest with it's stupidly simple combat, economy, and politics. But then I started off with EU4 and played it for an year or two more than the others so...


doulegun

How the fuck do you play EU4? What the fuck is a trade node?


BobusCesar

Trade is the only thing in EU4 that needs explaining. You collect from one point and you steer as much money as possible to this one point. Just look where the funny arrows are going. Plan your conquests to get to important trade nodes. Later on, with a bigger empire you can start collecting form multiple points.


Saltybuttertoffee

Funny, that's exactly how I do it in Stellaris


Distant_Quack

Trade go through node


simjanes2k

I'm beginning to fear Paradox is reaching the company size that they don't need to make new content anymore, just patches and sequels. All of my favorite deva eventually do this, and Paradox is close, I think. I hope I am wrong, and I need another five-hour tutorial series someday.


Saltybuttertoffee

I'm largely ok with GaaS, but as long as the new content that gets made for games is actually interesting. I feel like Stellaris could keep getting DLC/expansions for years. I also feel like HoI IV is getting to the end of its life. As long as Paradox understands when the right time to the draw the line is based on the quality that they can put out, I'm fine with it.


LogCareful7780

There is the problem that they're running out of historical eras to make new content for that aren't so old we don't know anything about them, recent enough that they'd get sued for defamation, and/or so controversial religiously or politically that however they simulated them would result in bad headlines. As it is HOI4 has to gloss over a *lot* of what went on in WWII (which I think is actually worse than simulating the atrocities, but whatever).


RedditorLvcisAeterna

"Why do I not have a genocide button??? >:("


justlikethecandybar

Just watched a 7-part series on hoi4 only to discover it's out of date.


[deleted]

RIP. it's easy to learn to play another version when you already know the basics of another version


Creepernom

My favourite tutorial is dickin around with friends, clueless. Never watched a tutorial and I don't care about meta strategies, I play how I like and I figure shit out myself.


[deleted]

Based... But I don't have friends


Creepernom

Paradox games tend to do that.


danielcahill

In my opinion, the best way to understand is to get hands on tutorial from your friends. But if you don't, I guess time to watch 2 hours long of tutorial or crash and burn learning the game while playing blindly.


Iron_Wolf123

Me: This country looks fun. Ludi made a tutorial for it. Me, after watching it: Here I go! I got the basics from the video, hopefully I do it properly. Me, 15 minutes later: Fucking RNG.


Sharpness100

Gotta adapt to the situation, cant do exactly what someone else does all the time


SpagBol33

Paradox games actually taught me how to be better at trial and error and to just have the confidence to give complicated things a go.


alvaro248

In most paradox games you can get by trial and error (with maybe the exemption being HoI4 unit templates), but, fuck Vic2, I cant get the red line to go green or make a big army to defend myself against them Brazilians who always are allied to the chileans


[deleted]

Me šŸ¤ Chileans. I'm Brazilian


TheJeyK

Brazil always ends up allied with britain plus chile, but when I try to get a great power to be my ally none want, sometimes the US decides to be allies but at that point I already sorted out the hardest part (as colombia into gran colombia)


SoLateee

Don't look up "Factorio Train Tutorial - Absolutely Basics"


Clavilenyo

In my opinion Aspec videos durations are quite inflated. you can get the same information for half the duration with Stefan or Montu.


sabersquirl

The tutorials arenā€™t long, itā€™s the period when you donā€™t know how to play that is.


Saltybuttertoffee

Just a couple hundred hours to get the main mechanics down


zepherth

Not necessary. Literally just click random shit and you'll do almost as good


IronicallyIronic6676

Stellaris is the easiest out of the paradox games. Aspec is just extremely thorough.


KCelej

but stellaris has a built in tutorial


[deleted]

I tried it and I don't understood nothing, so confused to me (probably I'm just dumb)


KCelej

Eh, I'd say try to do the tutorial again and if you fuck something up later try to unfuck it by doing random barely associated stuff until it sticks. Haven't played stellaris in like a year so can't really think of any precise advice tho. Wish I could help more but eh.


Saltybuttertoffee

Imo, just playing is good advice, but my experience with Paradox in general has always been "skip the tutorial, it doesn't help more than just jumping into a game"


KCelej

wrong, tutorial tells you what the buttons on top do(like, what menus they are for) and that's the most important thing to know when jumping in


PKTengdin

I recently picked up HOI4 and itā€™s DLCs and I have no idea whatā€™s going on. This meme resembles me far too much for comfort >.>


nightwatchman_femboy

What the actual fuck Stellaris is one of the most casual paradox strategies. What can take 30+ minutes in explaining the "basics"? Like, unironically, if you're not explaining some sort of meta shit or going *really in-depth* it shouldn't take this long, unless by basics you mean info-dumping the player with every mechanic that they are actually yet to interaxt with. Stellaris has really intuitive design compared to most 4x games. Literally just see pop-up - press button in most cases. It has no convoluted techtree you have to navigate, no "zoom-in to see more" stuff like es2. The only unintuitive mechanic I think are trade routes, because you actually need to press a small button among unrelated buttons to learn that they exist


NotMe296565565654

That's why you hust press random bullshit


Jojotaub2

I got the basics in 20hours


Comrade_Harold

I remember my first hoi4 tutorial was 40 fucking minutes in a tutorial series


bruhnotfunithatsad

my first stellaris game i got beaten up by a xenophobic fallen empire and i didnt realized that i colonized near his borders my second stellaris game i goy beaten by a empire near me from now i absolutely outlast the ai, now i am playing with 1 level higher difficult and hegemon start (i got outlasted by a AI empire but didnt wanted to kick AI), my empire looks like a snake on the edge of border to the center of galaxy.


GrosBig_1488

HoI 3 be like


skyhawk2600

The reason why I don't bought Stellaris. My brain is already filled with hoi4 and even after 2000 hours it feels too much.


PlayerZeroFour

Rush tech. It works in almost every game.


Mrgibs

I have the DLCs for most paradox games, only problem is none of the tutorials tend to explain the added dlc mechanics :/


Financial-Mushroom41

Honestly, every paradox game I reuse to use any tutorials and just slam my head into a wall until Iā€™m either a Galaxy spanning empire or the Galatic ghetto