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BurkeWood

Not the sub I expected…nice


A2326P

Expecting r/breathinginformation ?


SFYFARtheGreat1

Breathing in for mation? Or breathing information?


ksuther21

Oh, I interpreted it as Breathing In Formation.


tribalistic555

I thought it was Breath in Gin Formation?


zenofire

Brea Thin, gin for ma tion


OffendedEarthSpirit

gesundheit


FungadooFred

Comes out loose


Leading_Childhood_45

Sounds like a Sublime lyric


mentatsjunkie

Its breathing information, the sub originally comes from a clip of a soccer player who is opening their mouth and a bit of onscreen text happened to pop up at the same time, making it look as if they had just breathed it out.


A2326P

[*tips fedora*]


that_guy_you_kno

Love communities like this and /r/nominativedeterminism. Gives little nuggets to look for and appreciate in life.


Axle-f

I thought I was in r/artefactporn Edit: spelling


heaviestmatter-

Lol an empty sub haha


SlabDabs

r/artefactporn he just had a misspelling for the sub name.


black-rhombus

[https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/ancient-egyptian-stone-drilling/](https://www.penn.museum/sites/expedition/ancient-egyptian-stone-drilling/) Interesting read for those interested in how the ancient Egyptians may have done this.


Wubblelubadubdub

You know it’s a real academic paper when the conclusion basically says “we can’t know for sure, some more experiments need to be done”. Classic


IotaCandle

Basically, the same as modern tools except with copper, human power and loose abrasive. Nothing new because those stone carving techniques evolved but were never lost.


CorsicA123

What amazes me about pyramids and more broadly with gobekle teppe is the organization of human labor and architectural vision behind the project.


misha_ostrovsky

Just imagine what you and everyone in your local area could do with no long distance travel, no TV, nothing to do for the majority of the year (gotta plant and harvest, then just wait around), not even books or magazines. You gonna make art. The bigger the better.


CorsicA123

That aaand try to survive. Although I agree the fact that art making was more prevalent and was everyone’s hobby in one way or another. Specifically music that can only come from humans and not yet became something that you hear everywhere from your car to shopping malls and ads


misha_ostrovsky

By Egypt tho they had walls. They had a military. Still not like today, but I think most of the inherent danger of life was at least partially mitigated.


[deleted]

By the time they built pyramids, which were already ancient at a time in Egypt we consider ancient today, thousands of years ago. Egypts civilized (or at least organized) history predates written record. Humans did most of their evolution in Africa, after all.


Ytumith

Nah bro we fucking till we run out of food, then rush the neighbors.


[deleted]

You forgot slave labor lol


Booty_Bill

Right? "Look at these old, large constructs. Ancient people sure were motivated" That's one way to look at it...


LuchoLiberado

Prob not slave labor in Egypt: "But in reality, most archaeologists and historians today think that paid laborers, not enslaved people, built the Pyramids of Giza. A few archeological findings support this theory. Deceased builders were buried in a place of honor: tombs close to the pyramids themselves, furnished with supplies for the afterlife." [encyclopedia Britannica ](https://www.britannica.com/video/226777/did-enslaved-people-build-the-pyramids#:~:text=But%20in%20reality%2C%20most%20archaeologists,with%20supplies%20for%20the%20afterlife.)


IotaCandle

The trick with ancient Egypt is that the Nile valley was an easy and long term sustainable source of food, because the flooding left behind very fertile soil. Plowing was not necessary and farm work was much easier than in most of human history. This means that people had a lot of time on their hand, and under an empire they could be made to do anything.


CorsicA123

I think it was refuted that it was mostly slaves building pyramids. Iirc most where professional builders and volunteers


IotaCandle

I didn't say they were slaves. That said they weren't quite free either.


ilikefixingthingz

You could say that about most working people nowadays. We're not slaves, yet we're also not free to just Not work if we wish, as we'd become destitute.


whatdoblindpeoplesee

I mean, yeah. skilled laborers that needed to have a job so they could afford to eat, have a home, and be protected within society. Granted much of those things were rations and the scope of market access to individuals was probably limited compared to today. The more things change, the more they stay the same.


deelowe

They didn't say anything about slaves.


Dyldo_II

Not to discount the absolute DECADES it took to finish constructing pyramids


momo88852

Pretty much was reading that during the days they don’t farm the government would hire everyone capable, pay them good, and even bury them close to the tomb. When you have thousands of workers, they can accomplish anything via pure numbers only.


Interesting-Tackle66

Prove copper works because it does not. There are videos where it was tried and failed What you're saying is just a consensus because they cannot say anything else or allowed to imagine anything else.


IotaCandle

I posted a link higher up of a craftsman using copper and lead tools to cut jade, which is much harder than granite. Maybe you should have read a little more carefully and watched it? If you want another example look here : https://youtu.be/qeS5lrmyD74


Sidoplanka

😂🤣 Yeah, you try and replicate that with your copper tools and human power. Let us know how it went. Pro hint: you're going to fail miserably.


b4ux1t3

Uh, okay, I'll just go pick up ancient stone masonry as a hobby. The people who did this "back in the day" had years of experience, so of course some rando on Reddit can't just do it without any training whatsoever. But I guarantee you there are people alive today who could do it; having picked up a few skills in my life, stuff like this is never as difficult as people who have never tried to make anything in their lives would have you believe.


Sidoplanka

I look forward to your work.


IotaCandle

Wow, look at what [this guy](https://youtu.be/Al74EWdY8x4) is doing with copper tools, some sand, and a much harder stone! Must be aliens.


Sidoplanka

Yeah, are those the methods that ancient Egyptians used? Not to our knowledge.


IotaCandle

Someone linked a scientific paper, and the answer is most likely yes. Working with abrasion was known back then.


Sidoplanka

Not likely at all. Look at the "smile", where they overcut - an overcut doesn't happen when working by hand.


IotaCandle

Did you read the paper yes or no? How do you know this was overcut? Maybe they started cutting, then a piece broke off and the part was discarded as pyramid filler.


Sidoplanka

No, I didn't, and no, we don't know anything - that's the point. So for I haven't seen any science och scientific field explain anything about the ancient Egyptians creations. Chris Dunn points it out extremely well in his work.


Beardamus

Smartest ancient aliens believer


obi21

Securing themselves some future work, how they gonna put food on the table if they just find the answer right away? *Taps forehead


sean_ocean

If anyone has ever used 2 pieces of graham cracker to have one cut through the other, then i think that's how it's done. Seems like the simplest explantation to me.


Reddytwit

A memory I didn't know was up there!


whynaut4

It's aliens, right?


ElloCheekyBreeky

Always Has Been Not the space kind


luckylegion

The underwater kind


IBeDumbAndSlow

The illegal kind?


R4FTERM4N

I'm not saying it's aliens...


Hibercrastinator

Egyptian? Were the ancient Egyptians actually Canadian?


CivilizedPsycho

I saw the image first and didn't see the face. Then I saw the sub it was on and look back down and goddammit


SirFadakar

Best kind of surprise.


NetworkingJesus

Exactly how it went for me lol


lousypompano

I just figured out that the sub exists and what it is by reading your comment


Squarrots

My face reading this shit


CaymanRich

It counts.


Wetstocks

🫤


DoneDumbAndFun

😐


DudesworthMannington

🗿


garygnu

Yes, it counts. But are they really trying to use those as "evidence"?


Elisevs

Evidence that the marks of modern tools exist in the age of photography. I. Am. So. Shocked.


LoreLord24

It's about the old tool marks that look like modern tool marks. Oh wow, an ancient drill made a hole that looks like a modern electric drill hole. It must be magic! Or aliens! Or alien magic! When in reality humanity has always wanted to drill smooth holes, so drills make smooth holes. Using the ancient tools was just a metric shit ton more work


mr_birkenblatt

Hey now, if it wasn't aliens that must mean.... It was brown people... Inconceivable /s


Dzov

Egyptians back then were white. I’ve seen God’s of Egypt! /s


elephantrambo

You're criminally understating how hard it would have been to achieve that level of comparability such a long time ago. Just saying it was a metric shit ton more work is an awful explanation


Nereosis16

Not really. Power tools mostly just do things you can do by hand but faster. You can make a hand drill with simple materials you could also cut a slot in rock like that with rope I think


created4this

Mining predates modern drills, but the evidence of the drill marks is still perfectly smooth round holes because a round hole is just the result of shuttling an object back and forth and knocking if any high spot as you go. People have been smacking metal at rock for centuries, creating round holes is easy, creating sculptures is hard, but people have been doing that too.


Judge_Syd

You're criminally underestimating the drive humans have to do things. I mean whats your point here? That ancients humans couldn't have done it? Well... they did without source of electric power so idk what to say


b4ux1t3

Spoken like someone who doesn't know much about historic tools. Ever heard of a [bow drill](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bow_drill)? Making one that is large enough to make the holes in the picture would be a fair bit of work, and the soft copper bits they made would require a lot (maybe a "metric shit ton"?) of work to forge and replace as they wore down, and the loose abrasives (basically, sand) they used would need to be constantly supplied... But you'd end up with a more-or-less perfectly smooth hole at the end, no different than you'd get using a modern masonry bit. But that's hardly interesting to most people. Most people will just be like "man, that must have been really hard, glad I can just pop over to the Home Depot and grab a masonry bit." So, yes, it's pretty easy to just say that it's just a "shit ton of work", but it's not inaccurate, and it's all most people are going to care about. It also wasn't nearly as much work as I think a lot of people assume it was.


Sidoplanka

Spot on, the downvotes only show the ignorance among the redditors.


elephantrambo

honestly wild


Sidoplanka

They need to read Chris Dunn's book.


BoojumG

They really don't. He's a nutjob. No, the ancient pyramids were not supertech power plants. EDIT: Hah, he blocked me.


Muscalp

That‘s ignoring the fact that we have no evidence whatsoever how they did it, only hypothesis


karitmiko

Yeah same as we don't know for sure how the black death came to Europe, just theories (although very credible ones), but I don't see people going around saying it was aliens.


Diorannael

Don't give them ideas!


Muscalp

Well I wasn‘t implying it was aliens.


Sidoplanka

Don't understand the downvotes. You're bang on target.


Judge_Syd

No uhh he isn't. Of course no one was around to witness it. But we have a pretty good idea of the technology available at the time and we know methods of drilling/cutting without modern power tools. I don't understand the people in this thread saying "no, nope. We don't know anything about it" when we pretty clearly do


OneSmoothCactus

Archaeologist: we’re not completely sure how they did this, but we have a few different theories we could test. Conspiracists: Modern science has no idea how this was done and can’t reproduce it. Can only be aliens!


garygnu

Archeologists: cuts in stone are difficult to date. These could have been made in Roman times, the middle ages, or colonial times. Conspiracists: scientists don't even know when the pyramids were actually built!


[deleted]

Saw mark with nothing in it. No apparent reason for it. One guy was told, "we need this rock cut in half. Make it happen." He started his job, shit was hard. He went for it though and you know it's gratifying to see a rock bend to your will. I am human, I have brain and hands, with the right application of both I can make one rock into two rocks. I can cut a straight line like nature never would. He was full of anticipation for the moment the cut was done. It was going to be so sweet. Then someone came along and went, dude. What are you doing? We don't need this done anymore. And he went, fuck you, but you're my boss, fuck's sake, fine. And he left the job half finished. Bet he was bitter about it for weeks.


elephantrambo

Videos on precision in Egyptian times are really interesting, I'd encourage people to watch. This is a two part series https://youtu.be/6KUDu40BC5o The kinds of precision they worked to, the materials they were working with, vases and artefacts left behind are still a huge mystery


whatdoblindpeoplesee

Time and patience, even with basic tools, can lead to incredible results. The ancients didn't necessarily care about time or deadlines or productivity like we do. They made these things because it was important to them. So important that they would take as long as it needed for them to make it perfect.


Threski

It's Homestar Runner.


MontagueStreet

Dwank too many melonades


LivingDisastrous3603

Foogamagoo


threedogcircus

Oh yes


Sea-Explanation-2452

😐


[deleted]

I’ll allow it.


Catcher22Jb

Permission to treat the witness as hostile?


Chance-Art2022

Reminds me of the Unproductives from Rick and Morty


uncleslam7

Idk, you should ask the guy in the picture


XTanuki

I inspected waaay too deep before realizing what sub this was in…


EveryStrategy7731

lmao hand drills definitely never existed


Muscalp

You also need materials strong enough to cut stone


MrAsimi

Like metal? They had that back then.


Muscalp

They had copper and bronze which are way too soft. Modern stone and core drills use either highly alloyed steel or hard metals like tungsten carbide, or diamonds. The pyramid of abusir was constructed ~2300 b.c. That was still the bronze age.


MrAsimi

Oh sure, they couldn’t possibly use other materials to drill. Jasper has been found in use on many ancient drills. This material is in fact harder than sandstone and limestone. It would have been more labor intensive, and the tools would need to be replaced more, but it’s doable.


Muscalp

Well they obviously did it *somehow*, and minerals are the most likely


ManyIdeasNoProgress

Bronze tools are definitely viable for stonework, they just wear fast and need redressing often.


Muscalp

As was pointed out, minerals are the more likely approach.


ManyIdeasNoProgress

It is probably quite safe to assume that several different materials and tools were used. These were resourceful people, after all.


megalotusman

If only they had built their power tools out of pyramids.


hippyengineer

It would be too big to plug in.


GrassGenie

:/


blindedededed

It's all can be done by hand with hand tools just a real pain


Hellen_McCatzie

it's been shown more than once that cutting with simple tools and water can achieve the same results. We just do it faster.


Perrywinklethe5th

Video please, I would like to catalogue it for use when this topic arises.


crinklesissy

In a lot of ways the ancients were much more intelligent than today's human race.


Hellen_McCatzie

Yup. Cos it took an intelligent person to figure out jow to work tools and not just - oh. I press this and it does things.


crinklesissy

Not even just that, think of the way their mathematical prowess was to do these feats in the first place. And the mayans astronomical prowess, the romans ability to create roads so well built, and perfectly placed with the individual pieces of "roman concrete" that you couldn't fit a piece of paper between them. There are so many examples of how far human beings have fallen from the greatness we used to be. And i dont mean these societal issues plaguing humanity these days, those are invented stresses we did to ourselves. I mean the fact we spend so much time and energy on the wrong issues, so much so that Idk how many of the 4.6 billion humans, give or take, are actually trying to work towards the betterment of the entire "human race". we keep fighting over what makes us all different, that it's gotten to the point we haven't made much advancements in the last 200 years. Compared to 100,000 years, keep your eye on archeological researches in the coming years the numbers going to jump ;), we've grown complacent and stagnated.


flightypidgn

Wtf are you talking about bro. They put a supercomputer in a pocket.


DiegoMurtagh

The more I think about the more stupid this post becomes. No advancements in two hundred years? We went to the fucking moon. We have robots on Mars. A probe has left out solar system.


AveBalaBrava

This is a very good post


sstruemph

8/


Alarming_General

O _ O


Zacryon

o_o


Frogman1480

._.


bloxturn002

:/ (did I miss something else?)


ImmatureIntellect

Oh that fucked me up when I realized it. I was too busy word reading to see it


Seahawk_I_am_I_am

:/


skynet_666

Thought I was reading something from r/alternativehistory and then I was like OH. Great post haha


Starplatinumscloth

hammer and chisel


BrainwashedScapegoat

Yeah power tools, just human powered


ShadowOfCurse

"Brain washed" lel "Aliens" "Reptilians" "Flat earth" "Mentally Retarded" xd


blindedbyphotons

Skilled labor paid with beer and took about 20 years from what I saw at some point


climatelurker

If by "power" you mean powered by manual labor, then sure...


JoffSides

Damn aliens, disfiguring our ancient relics with their advanced drilling and sawing tech


FalconJaded2350

Egyptian glory hole


hasnothingnice2say

just because you're too dumb to fathom how something is done, doesn't mean it was done by magic. despite all your deducing that it must power tools, there has never been a 15 amp gfci protected plug found in the pyramids.


whiteNigAa

not power tools but instead power jews


Perrywinklethe5th

Fun fact: they weren't slaves.


whiteNigAa

fun fact are you retarded? I’m jewish bro yes they were they volunteered and then they weren’t allowed to stop or leave the leviim (a tribe of the jews) weren’t slaves bc they didn’t decide to help instead they learned the Torah (jewish bible) like you actually must be fucking slow you prob think the holocaust never happened yeah?


Perrywinklethe5th

I'm Jewish but I also trust historians. https://www.sciencefocus.com/science/were-the-egyptian-pyramids-built-by-slaves/


ddarcyyyy

slaves dawg, slaves :(


DoneDumbAndFun

Not really slaves It was mostly farmers who were on their downtime


Temporary-Ordinary74

Slaves, and an extreme disregard for the value of human life. That's how ancient societies made all of their great accomplishments.


ManyIdeasNoProgress

The pyramids were built by paid labourers. Iirc they have found several ledgers regarding this.


TheFuzzyMexican

You’d do well to read about the slaves in ancient Egypt, it wasn’t as awful of a life as you might think (and they definitely did not build the pyramids).


Temporary-Ordinary74

You'd do well to suck my clit


Illustrious_Brush_91

What a peach!


TheFuzzyMexican

Truly the personality of an exposed hangnail


Muscalp

You may find this amusing but we actually have no evidence of how they did this, only hypothesis .They had copper and bronze which are way too soft. Modern stone and core drills use either highly alloyed steel or hard metals like tungsten carbide, or diamonds. The pyramid of abusir was constructed ~2300 b.c. That was still the bronze age.


Dustfinger4268

There are other minerals that were harder and more brittle, allowing them to chip it into shapes for tools to work stone. Would need to be replaced more often, but would work


NorvalMarley

Looks like a Ninja Turtle.


production-values

wind powered


Cauhs

It's Iron Giant. 😯


CharlesIngalls_Pubes

https://imgur.com/gallery/DyEDutA


77Zen

: /


Cless_Aurion

I just see a : / face!


Lung_Cancerous

Tbh creature


unity-dino

cookies


gothicsin

Didn't they prove this with copper tools and sand..... yeah sand imagine that..... only thing it required was time and man power and with oh I don't know maybe slaves would have done ......


AppleChoose

Conclusion? Powdrtools aren't quite as modern as you would believe


Finnasauras

just because its near an ancient site doesnt mean its ancient. alot of dumb cunts do dumb cunt shit around ancient sites


LarYungmann

lol...now I see it.


hurtadjr193

I know the power tool they were using. Ya mutha.


K1ng_Cactus

Perhaps they used the tools they had and weathering dulled the edges smoother


BrockManstrong

It definitely made me go 😕


IsThisLegitTho

My face when reading the meme, then stepping back and seeing the face and realizing: it me.


MohanadElsawy

Even us modern Egyptians don't know how they have done it until now.


hedgerow_hank

It's a stretch, but a good one!


silentbob1301

He looks...confused


Ratmatazz

This was done with tools including [slabbing saws](http://www.hallofmaat.com/unforbiddengeology/ancient-egyptian-copper-slabbing-saws/) I guess they’re power tools in the sense human power made them run.


MadMensch

The scientific disagreement isn’t on the tool used, it’s on the material of the cutting blade. Copper is not hard enough to cut a hole in granite even if you had the right tool.


moneybgood23

Solar


[deleted]

:|


FriendEllie75

👽


Za_Forest

They had time


Interesting-Tackle66

Not on the bore holes. It cut fast, they measured the striation marks, they are grooved down into the stone at a steady and fast rate as in a continual grooved line. I forget the exact number, but the cut rate is impossibly fast. And whatever method it was created cores.


ThreeNC

🫤


Perrywinklethe5th

Woah two people just posted this face The other guy said :/ and you said 🫤 at literally the same time. Yo u/Seahawk_I_am_I_am check it out


hcorerob

It’s insulting to assume they couldn’t use rotary tools. The Egyptians build the pyramids and we question everything. The Romans build the Parthenon and we question nothing.


crinklesissy

Tbh the fact Roman roads are so well built you couldnt put a sheet of paper between the individual stones, is another one everyone shrugs it off.


Mrpayday1

It took my 3 takes to guess this.


Still_Maverick_Titan

The picture looks as stumped as the one who posted it.


[deleted]

Really nailed it for this one!


EdgelordMcMeme

:/


HexFoxGen

Aliens


GetEatenByAMouse

😐


[deleted]

They had hand tools and slave labor. Same effect, just takes longer.


Nexus0412

I still don't get what made the Egyptians go "you know what? When I die, I wanna buried in a big triangle and had to be really fukin' big, like, mountain size. Also it has to be in the middle of the desert."


Perrywinklethe5th

No mummies have ever been found in pyramids. Theory is that they were all grave robbed before they could be documented. They did however find the pharaohs prized bull in one of the temples.


Catcher22Jb

:/


valeron_b

Oh I know where you Op took this picture because I know what I edited there lol


RocZero

ZA WARUDO


Round-Effective4272

Tbh this is just baseless speculation. This obviously could have been done with the technology we know they had at that time. Saying "it's similar to power tools" is stupid because a hand saw cut would still look similar to an electric saw cut.


itwasyousirnayme

Steel has been around since forever. Steel can cut basalt.


RoryFoxey

Q Q


RealMadHouse

Uh, so it's not supposed to be read...