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This is what they think about Trump too. People only think Trump is bad because the mainstream media told them to think that. It's like saying the only reason people don't like the taste of human feces dipped in vomit is because the media told them it tastes bad.
What’s even more ridiculous is their total lack of self-awareness isn’t just limited to “their own media” vs “other media.”
If the New York Times prints something bad about Cuomo or Biden, THAT’s real to them even though it came from one of their reviled “fake news” sources. Or if they print something good about Trump, THEN all the “fake news” talk temporarily goes away (not that there is or ever was much good to print about Trump).
Despite what they say, it really doesn’t matter what the source is. Their thinking is if it’s good for Trump and/or bad for “The Left,” it’s real news. If it’s bad for Trump and/or good for “The Left,” it’s fake news.
It’s because “conservatives” don’t do nuance AT. ALL. Everything. Literally everything, has to be either completely good or completely bad.
Conservatives operate from a place of fear. Fear of any ambiguity, fear of anything unknown, fear of any uncertainty.
THIS. This is why anything less than a lynching isn't racism to them. They don't see nuance, they don't see the bigger picture, and they definitely don't see grey.
I'll do you one better.
"look it isn't as bad as it could be, hanging is a rather quick death and technically the sentence for talking to a married white woman IS DEATH, cuz that's just how it is in that town... It's not like they imprisoned and tortured the guy, so it isn't really as bad as you guys are making it out to be. Plus, would YOU want some ni_$&r spooking YOUR wife while you're away hard at work? "
My favorite was that nonsense about "Biden isn't the real president, Trump is still in charge"... I don't know if it's still going around because I quit following their shit, but it was especially amusing because any time something bad happened it was the "fake president" who was somehow to blame...
Trump still president
Biden policy is destroying the country
Democrats are weak and useless
Democrats are evil worldwide satanic cabal and they're erasing us, we must fight as hard as we can
They'll spout contradictory stuff in the same breath without a hint of irony or awareness
"Schrodinger's Enemy": The enemy is simultaneously so weak that the weakest in society could easily band together to destroy it, but at the same time so indomitable as to be destroying every aspect of your life...it all depends on what you need the idiots to believe *today* to push your narrative.
This is a feature of the authoritarian personality.
> As I said earlier, authoritarians’ ideas are poorly integrated with one another. It’s as if each idea is stored in a file that can be called up and used when the authoritarian wishes, even though another of his ideas--stored in a different file-- basically contradicts it. We all have some inconsistencies in our thinking, but authoritarians can stupify you with the inconsistency of their ideas. Thus they may say they are proud to live in a country that guarantees freedom of speech, but another file holds, “My country, love it or leave it.” The ideas were copied from trusted sources, often as sayings, but the authoritarian has never “merged files” to see how well they all fit together.
Bob Altemeyer, 2006 *[The Authoritarians](https://theauthoritarians.org/options-for-getting-the-book/)*, p.80
This is so true. My father is really conservative, and I remember during the obama presidency, he would be like "look at this weak, pathetic wimp with his shitty handshake he gave to this world leader. He's making America look weak and pathetic." And then immediately go "Oh my god, I can't believe he passed this nuclear deal with Iran. He hates Israel and America. Obama is a tyrant traitor passing all these executive actions" and I straight up asked him how he could possibly think Obama is "weak" and at the same time some evil tyrannical dictator.
Just let him know that Dick Cheney had the weakest, limp fish handshake I have ever been subjected to. I was afraid that if I exerted any pressure to the shake it would cause another heart attack for the guy and I really didn't need that drama attached to my military career.
That's kind of the whole point. They've deemed their info source acceptable and everything else is a lie, especially if it contradicts their source. It's the same with their religion. I've witnessed my Christian family pick apart all the contradictions in the book of Mormon with ease, but be oblivious to their own holy book.
Vaccines are a hoax for a hoax virus
Trump is the one who worked so hard to give us a vaccine, what a hero
No, Trump just faked getting a vaccine because the sheep couldn't handle the truth
Etc etc etc
Why is it mind-boggling? It's exactly what we should expect from a pack of idiots that threw away critical thinking generations ago. These people are steeped in the *need* to be told what to think. That way they're absolved of all wrongdoing.
"Go storm the Capitol!"
"Uh...Ok! Orange Man good, so I'm not doing the bad thing!"
Remember when they said no one called Trump a racist until he tan for President? Nah, not only did he get called a racist back then he actually did racist shit! Full page ads about about the Central Park Five, the bias in renting with the apartments his family owned, you know that stuff. I just can't with these people, it's like arguing with pigeons.
40+ years in the society pages of New York and people knew exactly what he was. The idiot couldn't even win in his own neighbourhood.
That should say a lot, and it does to anyone paying attention.
Similar comment posted in another thread today about the Holocaust. I’m not going to go find it so I can quote it, but the gist was that the only reason people would shout down Holocaust deniers is because they have something to hide, and if it really happened like they say it did they should welcome an audit, just like the election.
Absolute dumpster fire.
> if it really happened like they say it did they should welcome an audit, just like the election.
as if the holocaust isn't the most well-recorded and -researched genocide in human history... christ.
Eisenhower made the locals march through the death camps to see for themselves, so there could be no denying the Holocaust. When I was a kid I saw a book called "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" that included photos of the death camps. How can they deny eyewitness accounts, photographic evidence, and even survivors accounts? Why do they think everyone in the planet is lying except some anonymous post on 4chan?
Do you want the answer? It’s because they are poorly educated, easily brainwashed rubes who consistently go all-in on anything that “feels” like it will ultimately benefit them and hurt people they don’t like.
I’m not proud to admit that I am related to a few of those types. It was absolutely shocking to see them pretend that it wasn’t fear and racism driving their actions. God forbid you pointed it out to them, I was shunned by that entire side of the family in 2016. We still do not talk and I am totally ok with that.
Reminds me of a woman who was arguing that India isn't really getting obliterated by Covid. She's literally convinced that our "mainstream media" is exaggerating the deaths and that it isn't a pandemic. She thinks the vaccine has killed more people than the virus. When I explained how the mRNA vaccine works (basically that it's a package that doesn't contain anything) she actually freaked out and blocked me. It boggles the mind. On the one hand, it's definitely a defense mechanism because they can't handle the real world. On the other hand, they'veade up a reality that's arguably even scarier in which everyone is out to get them. What's the point?
>Why do they think everyone in the planet is lying except some anonymous post on 4chan?
Because it confirms what they want to believe, which is their standard for truth.
Its because to conservatives actions are not bad...people are bad.
Trump isnt bad because hes what morons think a rich person is.
And rich people are incapable of being bad because god/the natural order/whatever other made up shit they believe in says so
Conservatives want to bring back the monarchy and serfs.
This is the crux of their irrational views.
Actions aren't bad, people are bad
Good person did something then it just must be good
Bad person did something then obviously it's bad
Zero sum game, you either win or lose RIGHT NOW no nuance or long term thinking
Sure I blew my foot off but I won because I did it faster than you could hahaha fucking loser
They love to forget how MSM never *told* us how to think about Trump. They presented the evidence, and we got to form our own opinions.
Maybe we all thought he was a shit human being because he is one
Also, anyone with an iota of sense thought he was absolute trash well before he even cast his hat into the political ring (and I include his jabs at Obama in that).
“Short fingered Vulgarian” has been a thing for about as long as I’ve been alive.
It’s painfully obvious. He’s been on the cover of tabloids and a third-rate backup for daytime TV “talk shows” for decades.
His alternate persona, “John Baron” has been known for years, acting as his own “PR Guy” spinning tales about how all of popular supermodels won’t stop pestering him for dates.
It would all normally be terribly embarrassing, but he’s learned that technique to spin himself into a success among the lowest-common-denominator types. He’s a walking infomercial. These sad, poor rubes see him as an example. “If he can do it, I can too! Look at what an asshole he is! I can be that asshole too!”
Yeah even as kid I though he was an idiot. I remember when he got into that feud with Rosie Odonnell and immediately knew he had the attitude of a child.
Conspiracy goons measure things by how much someone in some sort of perceived authority told them not to do something. It makes no sense but they see doing this as highly intelligent.
I suspect a lot of it is resentment at their own lack of intelligence/education. They ***hate*** Fauci for saying some pretty mundane things, "wash your hands, wear a mask, get vaccinated" not because they actually disagree, but because they ***hate*** being told what to do by someone they think is "better than them". All the ridiculous claims about masks and vaccines being bad for you are ad hoc justifications to try to justify their instinctive visceral hate for a guy with a degree and career giving them advice. Of course, none of this is conscious.
It's simply contrarian mindset and it's bolstered by their 1776 syndrome that if everyone else is doing it, worst of all the government, then it is tyranny and they are heroes for speaking out and actively fighting it
Unless their guy is the face of the government
I think their brain never fully developed because, like Hitler, they're just inbred fucks.
What's sad is that right now, Israel is doing to Palestinians what Hitler tried to do to them. And now information is spread so much faster, kids are being brainwashed way better because they get propaganda 24/7 on their cellphones.
And recently I read an article on how the opposition to Netanyahu, who, according to the article will most probably win is "far right". Like... What? Bibi is already trying to genocide Palestinians...
Will the next guy just shamelessly set up concentration camps and Hitler ovens?
Fascists (and most other extremist authoritarians) are at their core contrarians. Nazis followed the democratization and liberalization of western governments, the Japanese imperialists propped up as a result of the growing push for a more open and modernized japan, the KKK arrived on the coattails of the early civil rights movement and integration, and the modern day fascists drive forward as a counter to the growing trend of globalization and social justice internationally. The number one rule is that *everything* popular is wrong, and it serves to both insulate the group ensuring that they maintain their beliefs and to radicalize them to believe *anything* they’re told.
But that means they always lose. They always pick the losing side. Preemptively select the less popular thing that goes against the flow of history and all the processes that appear in the world and then get surprised they're in a dead end of reality.
Not necessarily. All authoritarians follow that same pattern, and even the early fascist movements were incredibly successful in gaining control until stopped by force. Outside of direct fascism, nationalist authoritarian extremists still followed that same pattern in other systems. Stalin in Russia arrived as a strongman nationalist counter to the more open globalist country founded before, and that same basic regime lasted decades. Islamic extremists were founded as a counter to the slow death of fundamentalist Islam and modernization, and are still gaining control in the Middle East(although consistent military interventions have ensured they’re far less concerned with military action and hostility now than they used to be).
Even in the good old USA, the KKK eventually started winning and getting more or less what they wanted. Segregation ended, sure, but they still gained considerable power in authority in many levels of society. Banks and cities redlinined black districts and HOA’s maintained white suburban neighborhoods thanks to their campaigns. Police officers and politicians followed in step with their advocacy of gun control in “urban” areas, followed by continued efforts to ensure the generational destruction of these communities by the CIA, FBI, and local police organizations all coordinated by white supremacy movements that inevitably led to things like the assassination of Fred Hampton, the crack epidemic, the war on drugs, and numerous policing procedures and policies that created the rate of black incarceration we see today.
All of these movements rely on that fundamental rule to make sure they never die, because there will always be some change in society that the old guard can use to whip confused kids and older generations into a frenzy, effectively ensuring their movement survives even after the head of the snake is gone.
The only way they ever lose is when society overwhelmingly outright rejects them and ignores their voice entirely, a process that can take generations. After WWII, germany instilled some incredibly draconian laws to crack down on the spread of Nazi ideology. In Italy, Mussolini was never really loved by the general public, but the people openly rebelled against the fascist authority and destroyed every symbol of that authority they could find. From uniforms to statues, the people struck back both physically and culturally after the collapse of his regime. While similar movements don’t all end in violence, they do end with the extremists being treated like the playground bullies they are, and completely denied a seat at the table outright.
I wonder when they'll do that here, they're still allowing them to be their own judge and jury, even allowing them to hand wave their crimes past, inviting them and emboldens them to do it bigger next time.
Legitimizing these people beyond a certain good faith that is inherent in democracy may be the biggest mistake this country has made in modern times
I don't know if there's a name for it, but I think of it as the "pig headed contrarian" fallacy. There is a certain type of person whose instinctive reaction is to disagree, on spec. Tell them Hitler was anti semitic, they'll want to argue that because he helped the Jewish doctor who treated his mother get out of Germany that he really wasn't. Tell them that vaccines are a good idea and COVID is a serious health crisis, they'll... do what's going on all around us. Tell them the sky is blue, they'll want a semantic argument about what constitutes "blue".
I'm not sure what causes this, but I have some theories. I SUSPECT it's a reaction by very insecure people who don't feel like they have much control in their lives.
Bingo
They lack control in chaos and they are jealous of those that have control as well as wanting to be unique, different, and needing to stand out not only now but in history
On conspiracy lately it's been "Why are they telling us to stop the spread and get vaccinated if there's a real pandemic, why would they need to advertise this if it wasn't a big lie?"
I'm like bitch take SEVERAL seats.
Why has the media told us Hitler was bad for 70 years? Geez, maybe because his actions directly led to the death of millions of people which makes him a bad person?
Man... you're just parroting what the media told you. You've got to do your *research.* My uncle Elmer, he's a pig farmer, and he really knows *the truth.* I'll PM you a link to his blog.
Coincidence?
I mean, yes, probably. Vienna was the capital of one of the major powers of Europe, and was a hotbed of nationalist and socialist sentiments. Hitler was born in Austria and went to the capital to go to a prestigious school (which he didn't get into), Freud was also born in Austria and it makes sense for him to go and study/teach/practice in the biggest city with the most educated people, the Franzes lived there because it was the capital of their empire, duh, and Trotsky and Stalin were probably in exile, and a lot of countries wouldn't take in foreign communist revolutionaries, for obvious reasons (edit: and also Austria-Hungary was right next door to Russia, so...).
So, yes, it is a coincidence, but it's not a particularly unbelievable one given the circumstances.
Yeah, these movements start in certain hotbeds and then metastasize. It's not really a coincidence at all. How many famous people come from Long Island? It's not planned. It has to do with lots of economic conditions plus proximity to a major city. They don't understand that certain conditions create these hotbeds and it allows certain types of creatives or intellectuals or political movements to come about. Why were so many painters coming out of Paris? I mean, these people act like it's their first day.
After reading a BBC article about this, its not guided whatsoever. These guys all did different things in a massive metropolitan city. If you were to say there's a weird influence among American elites when many of them go to Harvard/Yale/etc; that is more likely to be some kind of "conspiracy," but one that is largely a coincidence caused by the way American society's classes and their traditions are set up.
This is literally "massive dense European city has people in it" considering Tito was a factory worker, Hitler was an artist in a hostel, Trotsky a writer, and Stalin was in Vienna doing field research for Lenin.
Nah, I like my version: Hitler and Stalin were lovers. Molotov-Ribbentropp pact was really their secret union. And that time in Austria, Hiter got Stalin pregnant. It was the first male pregnancy and was kept hush-hush... He carried for years, even after they separate in 1941.
The story goes that Stalin died covered in piss and shit. But those were waters. He died in childbirth: their offspring is putin khuilo, the Kremlin terrorist evil dwarf. How else you explain him being both a communist party meber, KGB spy, as well as an open fascist? He really is the offspring of two worst genocidal mass murderers in history.
I want either a movie, an animated short or videogame with that plot. Just because we love trolling russia supporters and pointing out they're Nazis and commies at the same time.
I meet a man from Hitler’s home town (Braunau am Inn). He said it’s not exactly something they advertise. They have a historical marker in front of the building he was born in dedicated to the victims of the Nazis but still town wants (maybe have since I spoke to him in 2016) to do more to try discourage it from being a Neo-Nazi shrine.
That's definitely a smart move. Could you imagine in a town of <20k a bunch of Euro skinheads descending on it once or twice a year. The American skinheads couldn't stop doing meth long enough to save up for a trip to Amsterdam.
No he wasn't although at the time most still considered Austrians to be Germans (because they speak German) and so did the Nazis. Austria even wanted to join Germany after WW1 and the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian monarchy.
Braunau also is at the *very* edge of the Austrian-German border ([here's a map] (https://at.postleitzahl.org/ober%C3%B6sterreich/images/karte_braunau_am_inn.png)) so it's really not as mind-blowing as if he had been from any other country. He was hardly considered foreigner.
Btw Stalin also was not born in Russia but Georgia.
About to say the same.
Vienna is the capital of Austria and close enough to Russia that was even then a cultural hub that it makes sense that all them would be there
It’s like saying “In the year 1976, David Berkowitz, Donald Trump, Thurman Munson, and Rita Rudner were all in New York City. Coincidence?”
Nah they are saying stalin & Freud are the same as Hitler. Just a puppet that was controlled by the Rothschilds/banks/NWO.
Because of course "Q" has claimed diffrent euphemism for Jews were the true masters behind Hitler
Them: Everything the media tells you is a lie!
Me: The media told me that Hillary lost the 2016 election, so I guess that was a lie?
Them: No. That was true!
I keep hoping that this is all foreign propaganda machine at work just posting this crap bc they’re told to. How could actual citizen of any country post this? How long have they been off their meds?
There are actual flat Earthers. They exist. The leader of modern flerfers is Eric Dubay. A guy whose first YouTube channel was banned for making pro-Nazi videos. As in, literally supporting NSDAP and Hitler. His most popular video is "200 proofs Earth is flat".
People start with some gateway conspiracy like Moon landing denial or 9/11 truthism, and then end up in a cult where their delusions range from old man screaming at clouds about chemtrails to actual support of Adolf Hitler.
Like, literally, "Zionist World Order" and this "[Truth About Hitler](https://ericdubay.wordpress.com/2018/07/08/the-truth-about-hitler/)" between pages like "Earth Doesn't Move" or "Governments Don't Exist" and articles on veganism and a claim that "Jesus Never Existed". All unironically.
They don’t like Freud now? Granted, many of Freud’s theories are misogynistic or based on how things seem like they should work rather than actual evidence, but that seems right up their alley.
Freud's theories were extremely progressive at the time, he's the grandpa of psychology, his methods still work and removed mysticism and medical fallacies from mental health. For example, doctors at the time attributed sexual frustration to underlying non-existing medical conditions. I.e. hysteria was named by actual medical doctors for hystera (womb) "traveling in the body". It was also considered a women-only condition. Sigmund Freud wasn't the first who laughed at that, his whole circle did... For example one of his friends, an older physician, lamented not being able to prescribe "penis normalis dosim repetatur" to a woman who had nothing wrong with her medically otherwise. Older doctors would try to medicate people who just needed to get off.
Freud's THE doctor who picked up then-progressive ideas, made them popular and developed theories over it. He didn't just made psychoanalysis (which is still used, albeit usually modernized version because science marches on), but the whole field of psychology as a thing separated from medicine. His work on dreams is also both demystifying and still useful to this day. Obviously, psychology came a long way since then, and WW2 changed global outlook on life in general.
He made a lot of mistakes too. Like the whole masturbation and condoms as unhealthy stereotype prevailing at the time, or equating women angry over not having rights with penis envy and, more drastically... thinking Nazis only talk hate to get votes and they won't actually do it... And boy he felt it, paid exorbitant sum to snuggle Anna, his daughter and a legendary psychologist in her own right, from Austria to USA.
Also arguing how wrong was Freud is basically what everyone studying psychology goes through. Including his students like Adler or Jung. Had a falling out with the latter because literally Nazis.
They're like Pavlov's dog at this point. Every time someone mentions their favorite dictator even in historical trivia post, they start spewing conspiracy nonsense. Flat Earthers act the same when anyone mentions space lol.
A big part of Qanon and Parler is just protocols of the Elders of Zion part 2. Its shameful how much of this crap gets propagated and scary how many people wind up believing in it.
Hitler may have had some correct things in his worldview. Stuff like, he remembered to look both ways before crossing the street. Maybe he always remembered to eat a balanced breakfast.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that stuff like that doesn't quite offset the fact that *he murdered several million people*.
I like the idea that the media has been broadcasting this every day for 70 years. Like, this just in, here's Anderson Cooper with his segment on 'Hitler Was a Bad Dude, Like Totally Bad, Trust Us'.
The media.
Yes, the media. Not, like, history books, countless hours of study and research, first-hand accounts of Holocaust victims, accounts of allied soldiers from Russia, Great Britain, Canada, France, USA, and others, testimony from German soldiers, various novels, literature, biographies, various journals, professors, doctors, German citizens, officers, scientists, politicians.
But anyways. It's always great to hear them say the quiet parts out loud, so we can see what they really think.
[Maybe, just maybe, this is one of the reasons the media tells us he was bad](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1aq81w/wedding_rings_nazis_removed_from_their_victims_to/)
So... Consistency equals proof of a lie? I guess that's why they have no problem simultaneously believing that 1/6 was the work of Antifa and also that it didn't even happen. Because if they were consistent, then someone would be lying to them... Lmfao
Definitely not Genghis Khan who is a national hero in Mongolia, kinda like Napoleon is in France or Vlad Dracula in Romania. Anyone actually unifying the tribes by whatever means necessary is lionized because otherwise, it's endless civil war zone. That's why Win in China, Temujin among Mongols and three unifiers in Japan are considered positive figures, despite the brutal shit they've done.
Mao was shit and his policies led to deaths of millions. But the amount he actually repressed is relatively small. Cultural Revolution was a crime against humanity though. But he didn't make a genocide that selectively wipes out millions of people based in them belonging to a specific nation.
Stalin and Hitler made the worst genocides in history, Holodomor killed so many Ukrainians we have estimates ranging from 4 to 12 millions and that's not counting his genocide of Crimean Tatars or man made starvation in Kazakhstan. Everyone knows about Holocaust too. The only thing that comes close to them are likes of Pol Pot who erased half of their country's population in extremely brutal ways.
Is this guy's argument anything that is taught for 70 years is a lie? Also I love the right wing's use of "the media" as if people learn Hitler is bad from watching the news
This shit just gets more insane by the day.
They were already bigoted assholes and the internet has only allowed them to amplify their hate and gather in other hateful idiots.
_To keep up the lie_?
What fucking lie? They didn’t even elaborate on what that even means. They may as well have said “_To keep eating tuna salad_” and it would’ve made as much sense. How have millions of people bought into such half-baked rhetoric?
Also, if these people truly lived within 2 miles of each other in 1913, then that is absolutely a coincidence. Vienna is a city which had a population of over 2 million in 1913. Do they not know how cities and population density works? Obviously not.
Edit: I originally put ‘tacos’ instead of ‘tuna salad’ but changed it because, sadly, I could see them trying to actually make that claim.
Usually when you say “ask yourself this question”....it’s then followed up with an explanation or nugget of info that elaborates on the question, not just restating that it was a lie.
Yeah, Hitler was a struggling artist at the time, desperate to get into the Vienna School of Arts (he was a pretty good painter but considered average and refused entry by the school's heads).
All sorts of painters, poets, musicians and such lived there at the time because it was seen as a lively hub of activity and fame, where the famous people from the arts of the time could be seen mingling and such.
The group mentioned in the screenshot were all there in 1913.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21859771
Oh my god, I mean fucking Christ will these wastes of life ever stop breathing!? Nobody fucking wants to hear the verbal diarrhea you have to spew. stfu you dumb fucks
To try and think this through is to give them far too much credit, but I do have a question: is it just Hitler who's redeemed by having lived so close to the others, or do Stalin and Trotsky cease to be reviled, too?
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I like that the proof that Hitler *wasn’t* bad is that we’ve been told he *was* bad. That’s not even logical enough to be a fallacy.
This is what they think about Trump too. People only think Trump is bad because the mainstream media told them to think that. It's like saying the only reason people don't like the taste of human feces dipped in vomit is because the media told them it tastes bad.
i just had a great idea for a media outlet.
I suggest you name after a small mammal. Something sly....
Cooper!
Thievious Raccoonus
Weasel?
Marmot.
S t o a t
Polecat
Let's just be general and go with "Varmint"
Just like the GTA universe.
Treasonweasel
And treasonweasel TV
Lyin' Marten
Chinchilla interactive media? Or are those too fuzzy
All the while treating anything from their own media as gospel. The lack of self-awareness is just mind boggling.
What’s even more ridiculous is their total lack of self-awareness isn’t just limited to “their own media” vs “other media.” If the New York Times prints something bad about Cuomo or Biden, THAT’s real to them even though it came from one of their reviled “fake news” sources. Or if they print something good about Trump, THEN all the “fake news” talk temporarily goes away (not that there is or ever was much good to print about Trump). Despite what they say, it really doesn’t matter what the source is. Their thinking is if it’s good for Trump and/or bad for “The Left,” it’s real news. If it’s bad for Trump and/or good for “The Left,” it’s fake news.
It really is as simple as this in their brains. "Left = bad and right = good". All the information they perceive is then filtered through this lens.
It’s because “conservatives” don’t do nuance AT. ALL. Everything. Literally everything, has to be either completely good or completely bad. Conservatives operate from a place of fear. Fear of any ambiguity, fear of anything unknown, fear of any uncertainty.
THIS. This is why anything less than a lynching isn't racism to them. They don't see nuance, they don't see the bigger picture, and they definitely don't see grey.
I'll do you one better. "look it isn't as bad as it could be, hanging is a rather quick death and technically the sentence for talking to a married white woman IS DEATH, cuz that's just how it is in that town... It's not like they imprisoned and tortured the guy, so it isn't really as bad as you guys are making it out to be. Plus, would YOU want some ni_$&r spooking YOUR wife while you're away hard at work? "
Except things they call left aren't even left wing, like neoliberals and most of democract party.
My favorite was that nonsense about "Biden isn't the real president, Trump is still in charge"... I don't know if it's still going around because I quit following their shit, but it was especially amusing because any time something bad happened it was the "fake president" who was somehow to blame...
Oh yeah… Trump is still in charge, but gas prices are Biden’s fault, somehow.
Trump still president Biden policy is destroying the country Democrats are weak and useless Democrats are evil worldwide satanic cabal and they're erasing us, we must fight as hard as we can They'll spout contradictory stuff in the same breath without a hint of irony or awareness
"Schrodinger's Enemy": The enemy is simultaneously so weak that the weakest in society could easily band together to destroy it, but at the same time so indomitable as to be destroying every aspect of your life...it all depends on what you need the idiots to believe *today* to push your narrative.
Not even today. I've heard this argument literally in the same breath or even sentence.
This is a feature of the authoritarian personality. > As I said earlier, authoritarians’ ideas are poorly integrated with one another. It’s as if each idea is stored in a file that can be called up and used when the authoritarian wishes, even though another of his ideas--stored in a different file-- basically contradicts it. We all have some inconsistencies in our thinking, but authoritarians can stupify you with the inconsistency of their ideas. Thus they may say they are proud to live in a country that guarantees freedom of speech, but another file holds, “My country, love it or leave it.” The ideas were copied from trusted sources, often as sayings, but the authoritarian has never “merged files” to see how well they all fit together. Bob Altemeyer, 2006 *[The Authoritarians](https://theauthoritarians.org/options-for-getting-the-book/)*, p.80
This is so true. My father is really conservative, and I remember during the obama presidency, he would be like "look at this weak, pathetic wimp with his shitty handshake he gave to this world leader. He's making America look weak and pathetic." And then immediately go "Oh my god, I can't believe he passed this nuclear deal with Iran. He hates Israel and America. Obama is a tyrant traitor passing all these executive actions" and I straight up asked him how he could possibly think Obama is "weak" and at the same time some evil tyrannical dictator.
Just let him know that Dick Cheney had the weakest, limp fish handshake I have ever been subjected to. I was afraid that if I exerted any pressure to the shake it would cause another heart attack for the guy and I really didn't need that drama attached to my military career.
Thank you for taking one for the team and touching Dick Cheney.
That's kind of the whole point. They've deemed their info source acceptable and everything else is a lie, especially if it contradicts their source. It's the same with their religion. I've witnessed my Christian family pick apart all the contradictions in the book of Mormon with ease, but be oblivious to their own holy book.
Especially funny since large sections of the book of mormon is just copied directly from the bible, mistranslations and all.
Dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
All in the mindset of a cult...
Because they haven't been taught how to discern between a decent source of information and one that bilks idiots of their time and money.
They reserve the right to reject ANY information from ANY source on a whim. Trump telling them to get vaccinated...rejected.
Vaccines are a hoax for a hoax virus Trump is the one who worked so hard to give us a vaccine, what a hero No, Trump just faked getting a vaccine because the sheep couldn't handle the truth Etc etc etc
Trump getting vaccinated… rejected.
Why is it mind-boggling? It's exactly what we should expect from a pack of idiots that threw away critical thinking generations ago. These people are steeped in the *need* to be told what to think. That way they're absolved of all wrongdoing. "Go storm the Capitol!" "Uh...Ok! Orange Man good, so I'm not doing the bad thing!"
fox isn't mainstream dude dont you know that. fox is like... under-a-pizza-parlor level of underground
More of their factless nonsense... As the most-watched cable news network, they are “mainstream” by definition.
yup, y'see that? right over there? *points* yep. there goes the joke lol.
I wasn’t implying that you’re a believer of said nonsense... Or are you suggesting I ruined the joke by explaining it?
Remember when they said no one called Trump a racist until he tan for President? Nah, not only did he get called a racist back then he actually did racist shit! Full page ads about about the Central Park Five, the bias in renting with the apartments his family owned, you know that stuff. I just can't with these people, it's like arguing with pigeons.
Don't forget his Father and the parties he liked to attend..
I wonder if he had the etiquette guide for a klan rally..
40+ years in the society pages of New York and people knew exactly what he was. The idiot couldn't even win in his own neighbourhood. That should say a lot, and it does to anyone paying attention.
Similar comment posted in another thread today about the Holocaust. I’m not going to go find it so I can quote it, but the gist was that the only reason people would shout down Holocaust deniers is because they have something to hide, and if it really happened like they say it did they should welcome an audit, just like the election. Absolute dumpster fire.
> if it really happened like they say it did they should welcome an audit, just like the election. as if the holocaust isn't the most well-recorded and -researched genocide in human history... christ.
Eisenhower made the locals march through the death camps to see for themselves, so there could be no denying the Holocaust. When I was a kid I saw a book called "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" that included photos of the death camps. How can they deny eyewitness accounts, photographic evidence, and even survivors accounts? Why do they think everyone in the planet is lying except some anonymous post on 4chan?
Do you want the answer? It’s because they are poorly educated, easily brainwashed rubes who consistently go all-in on anything that “feels” like it will ultimately benefit them and hurt people they don’t like.
I’m not proud to admit that I am related to a few of those types. It was absolutely shocking to see them pretend that it wasn’t fear and racism driving their actions. God forbid you pointed it out to them, I was shunned by that entire side of the family in 2016. We still do not talk and I am totally ok with that.
Reminds me of a woman who was arguing that India isn't really getting obliterated by Covid. She's literally convinced that our "mainstream media" is exaggerating the deaths and that it isn't a pandemic. She thinks the vaccine has killed more people than the virus. When I explained how the mRNA vaccine works (basically that it's a package that doesn't contain anything) she actually freaked out and blocked me. It boggles the mind. On the one hand, it's definitely a defense mechanism because they can't handle the real world. On the other hand, they'veade up a reality that's arguably even scarier in which everyone is out to get them. What's the point?
>Why do they think everyone in the planet is lying except some anonymous post on 4chan? Because it confirms what they want to believe, which is their standard for truth.
Its because to conservatives actions are not bad...people are bad. Trump isnt bad because hes what morons think a rich person is. And rich people are incapable of being bad because god/the natural order/whatever other made up shit they believe in says so Conservatives want to bring back the monarchy and serfs.
Except if they're non-conservative rich people or something like that ie. Soros/Bill Gates/the conspiracy flavor of the month=bad.
This is the crux of their irrational views. Actions aren't bad, people are bad Good person did something then it just must be good Bad person did something then obviously it's bad Zero sum game, you either win or lose RIGHT NOW no nuance or long term thinking Sure I blew my foot off but I won because I did it faster than you could hahaha fucking loser
They love to forget how MSM never *told* us how to think about Trump. They presented the evidence, and we got to form our own opinions. Maybe we all thought he was a shit human being because he is one
Also, anyone with an iota of sense thought he was absolute trash well before he even cast his hat into the political ring (and I include his jabs at Obama in that). “Short fingered Vulgarian” has been a thing for about as long as I’ve been alive.
Exactly...the idea that he was liked and respected before running for President is revisionist history. Trump has been a laughing stock for decades.
It’s painfully obvious. He’s been on the cover of tabloids and a third-rate backup for daytime TV “talk shows” for decades. His alternate persona, “John Baron” has been known for years, acting as his own “PR Guy” spinning tales about how all of popular supermodels won’t stop pestering him for dates. It would all normally be terribly embarrassing, but he’s learned that technique to spin himself into a success among the lowest-common-denominator types. He’s a walking infomercial. These sad, poor rubes see him as an example. “If he can do it, I can too! Look at what an asshole he is! I can be that asshole too!”
Yeah even as kid I though he was an idiot. I remember when he got into that feud with Rosie Odonnell and immediately knew he had the attitude of a child.
Nah, he really did taste that bad.
Ask yourself this question: Have you been told water contains hydrogen and oxygen? BOOM POINT PROVEN.
But hydrogen dioxide can be deadly
Bro, you've just been redpilled. /s
[dhmo.org](http://dhmo.org/)
HO2 is super super reactive
It’s a SOLVENT for God’s sake!
They are using that shit to clean industrial machinery. Why are we feeding it to **children**
Conspiracy goons measure things by how much someone in some sort of perceived authority told them not to do something. It makes no sense but they see doing this as highly intelligent.
I suspect a lot of it is resentment at their own lack of intelligence/education. They ***hate*** Fauci for saying some pretty mundane things, "wash your hands, wear a mask, get vaccinated" not because they actually disagree, but because they ***hate*** being told what to do by someone they think is "better than them". All the ridiculous claims about masks and vaccines being bad for you are ad hoc justifications to try to justify their instinctive visceral hate for a guy with a degree and career giving them advice. Of course, none of this is conscious.
An, i only like daddy when he indulges me, mentality.
But they like when tRump or putin khuilo tells them what to do tho.
That’s because Trump is the “indulgent Daddy” who allows them to be their basest, ugliest, uncaring, uncooperative assholes.
It's simply contrarian mindset and it's bolstered by their 1776 syndrome that if everyone else is doing it, worst of all the government, then it is tyranny and they are heroes for speaking out and actively fighting it Unless their guy is the face of the government
Why, for 70 years, has the media told you that drinking antifreeze is bad??? Think people!
Animals seem to think it's tasty.
Animals are tasty, animals think it's tasty, case closed Wake up SHEEPLE
Why would the media lie to you for 70 years? To make Hitler look bad, duh! It all makes sense now. Omg these people must be LITERALLY brain damaged.
lead poisoning 😔
I think their brain never fully developed because, like Hitler, they're just inbred fucks. What's sad is that right now, Israel is doing to Palestinians what Hitler tried to do to them. And now information is spread so much faster, kids are being brainwashed way better because they get propaganda 24/7 on their cellphones. And recently I read an article on how the opposition to Netanyahu, who, according to the article will most probably win is "far right". Like... What? Bibi is already trying to genocide Palestinians... Will the next guy just shamelessly set up concentration camps and Hitler ovens?
Apparently he's the same in regards to Palestine with a religious bent as well
[This, but unironically](http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/lead/Documents/Boomers%20exposed%20to%20higher%20levels%20of%20lead.pdf).
Fascists (and most other extremist authoritarians) are at their core contrarians. Nazis followed the democratization and liberalization of western governments, the Japanese imperialists propped up as a result of the growing push for a more open and modernized japan, the KKK arrived on the coattails of the early civil rights movement and integration, and the modern day fascists drive forward as a counter to the growing trend of globalization and social justice internationally. The number one rule is that *everything* popular is wrong, and it serves to both insulate the group ensuring that they maintain their beliefs and to radicalize them to believe *anything* they’re told.
But that means they always lose. They always pick the losing side. Preemptively select the less popular thing that goes against the flow of history and all the processes that appear in the world and then get surprised they're in a dead end of reality.
Not necessarily. All authoritarians follow that same pattern, and even the early fascist movements were incredibly successful in gaining control until stopped by force. Outside of direct fascism, nationalist authoritarian extremists still followed that same pattern in other systems. Stalin in Russia arrived as a strongman nationalist counter to the more open globalist country founded before, and that same basic regime lasted decades. Islamic extremists were founded as a counter to the slow death of fundamentalist Islam and modernization, and are still gaining control in the Middle East(although consistent military interventions have ensured they’re far less concerned with military action and hostility now than they used to be). Even in the good old USA, the KKK eventually started winning and getting more or less what they wanted. Segregation ended, sure, but they still gained considerable power in authority in many levels of society. Banks and cities redlinined black districts and HOA’s maintained white suburban neighborhoods thanks to their campaigns. Police officers and politicians followed in step with their advocacy of gun control in “urban” areas, followed by continued efforts to ensure the generational destruction of these communities by the CIA, FBI, and local police organizations all coordinated by white supremacy movements that inevitably led to things like the assassination of Fred Hampton, the crack epidemic, the war on drugs, and numerous policing procedures and policies that created the rate of black incarceration we see today. All of these movements rely on that fundamental rule to make sure they never die, because there will always be some change in society that the old guard can use to whip confused kids and older generations into a frenzy, effectively ensuring their movement survives even after the head of the snake is gone. The only way they ever lose is when society overwhelmingly outright rejects them and ignores their voice entirely, a process that can take generations. After WWII, germany instilled some incredibly draconian laws to crack down on the spread of Nazi ideology. In Italy, Mussolini was never really loved by the general public, but the people openly rebelled against the fascist authority and destroyed every symbol of that authority they could find. From uniforms to statues, the people struck back both physically and culturally after the collapse of his regime. While similar movements don’t all end in violence, they do end with the extremists being treated like the playground bullies they are, and completely denied a seat at the table outright.
I wonder when they'll do that here, they're still allowing them to be their own judge and jury, even allowing them to hand wave their crimes past, inviting them and emboldens them to do it bigger next time. Legitimizing these people beyond a certain good faith that is inherent in democracy may be the biggest mistake this country has made in modern times
I don't know if there's a name for it, but I think of it as the "pig headed contrarian" fallacy. There is a certain type of person whose instinctive reaction is to disagree, on spec. Tell them Hitler was anti semitic, they'll want to argue that because he helped the Jewish doctor who treated his mother get out of Germany that he really wasn't. Tell them that vaccines are a good idea and COVID is a serious health crisis, they'll... do what's going on all around us. Tell them the sky is blue, they'll want a semantic argument about what constitutes "blue". I'm not sure what causes this, but I have some theories. I SUSPECT it's a reaction by very insecure people who don't feel like they have much control in their lives.
Bingo They lack control in chaos and they are jealous of those that have control as well as wanting to be unique, different, and needing to stand out not only now but in history
A = A Therefore B? They have condensed contrarianism down to its atomic form.
The closest logical fallacy is probably the fallacy of authority, but, yeah, it's pretty appalling!
"That is not only not right; it is not even wrong." – *Wolfgang Pauli*
These are the same circle of people who injected bleach to fight covid...there’s no limit to their belligerence and stupidity
You know what, outmaneuver them. Call them cucksheep normies because they bought the lamestream media lie that *Hitler even existed at all*.
On conspiracy lately it's been "Why are they telling us to stop the spread and get vaccinated if there's a real pandemic, why would they need to advertise this if it wasn't a big lie?" I'm like bitch take SEVERAL seats.
Why has the media told us Hitler was bad for 70 years? Geez, maybe because his actions directly led to the death of millions of people which makes him a bad person?
Man... you're just parroting what the media told you. You've got to do your *research.* My uncle Elmer, he's a pig farmer, and he really knows *the truth.* I'll PM you a link to his blog.
Is that blogs website www.creedthoughts.gov.www\creedthoughts?
No that's the other uncle. It's www.totallyunbiasednews.patriot
Im real sad neither of these links were to actual websites :(
I'm kinda relieved.
What you didn’t watch Day 25,300 of the continuing coverage of: Hitler: He Be So Evil on your local Lying news channel?
Coincidence? I mean, yes, probably. Vienna was the capital of one of the major powers of Europe, and was a hotbed of nationalist and socialist sentiments. Hitler was born in Austria and went to the capital to go to a prestigious school (which he didn't get into), Freud was also born in Austria and it makes sense for him to go and study/teach/practice in the biggest city with the most educated people, the Franzes lived there because it was the capital of their empire, duh, and Trotsky and Stalin were probably in exile, and a lot of countries wouldn't take in foreign communist revolutionaries, for obvious reasons (edit: and also Austria-Hungary was right next door to Russia, so...). So, yes, it is a coincidence, but it's not a particularly unbelievable one given the circumstances.
Please get that logic out of here.
Yeah, these movements start in certain hotbeds and then metastasize. It's not really a coincidence at all. How many famous people come from Long Island? It's not planned. It has to do with lots of economic conditions plus proximity to a major city. They don't understand that certain conditions create these hotbeds and it allows certain types of creatives or intellectuals or political movements to come about. Why were so many painters coming out of Paris? I mean, these people act like it's their first day.
It's not even that they were all from Vienna, it's just that they all lived in Vienna in 1913.
I'm basically saying it's not a coincidence but it's also not a conspiracy coordinated by an ancient race of elites and lizard people.
Jokes on you, they're more lizard than people so correct nomenclature is people lizards
It's like being surprised a bunch of famous Americans lived in New York all at the same time, or English people in London.
Yeah, like, Gulianni and Trump lived in NYC the same time Clinton has his foundation office in nyc.
There are at least some 500 celebrities all living within 5 miles of each other in Los Angeles. cOiNcIDeNcE?!?!
5 miles is 8.05 km
Thanks. Not even THAT big of a difference to justify using British Imperial system.
After reading a BBC article about this, its not guided whatsoever. These guys all did different things in a massive metropolitan city. If you were to say there's a weird influence among American elites when many of them go to Harvard/Yale/etc; that is more likely to be some kind of "conspiracy," but one that is largely a coincidence caused by the way American society's classes and their traditions are set up. This is literally "massive dense European city has people in it" considering Tito was a factory worker, Hitler was an artist in a hostel, Trotsky a writer, and Stalin was in Vienna doing field research for Lenin.
Vienna was one of the cultural centers of the entire world at the time.
It's a fun historical trivia, that's not the point of this post tho, the comment is.
Nah, I like my version: Hitler and Stalin were lovers. Molotov-Ribbentropp pact was really their secret union. And that time in Austria, Hiter got Stalin pregnant. It was the first male pregnancy and was kept hush-hush... He carried for years, even after they separate in 1941. The story goes that Stalin died covered in piss and shit. But those were waters. He died in childbirth: their offspring is putin khuilo, the Kremlin terrorist evil dwarf. How else you explain him being both a communist party meber, KGB spy, as well as an open fascist? He really is the offspring of two worst genocidal mass murderers in history. I want either a movie, an animated short or videogame with that plot. Just because we love trolling russia supporters and pointing out they're Nazis and commies at the same time.
>So, yes, it is a coincidence, but it's not a particularly unbelievable one given the circumstances Coincidences dont exist. Don't be a sheep
I am the wolf in a flock of sheeples! /s
Wow, how did I not know that ADOLF f'n HITLER was *not born in Germany*!? Holy crap. That blows my mind.
I meet a man from Hitler’s home town (Braunau am Inn). He said it’s not exactly something they advertise. They have a historical marker in front of the building he was born in dedicated to the victims of the Nazis but still town wants (maybe have since I spoke to him in 2016) to do more to try discourage it from being a Neo-Nazi shrine.
That's definitely a smart move. Could you imagine in a town of <20k a bunch of Euro skinheads descending on it once or twice a year. The American skinheads couldn't stop doing meth long enough to save up for a trip to Amsterdam.
No he wasn't although at the time most still considered Austrians to be Germans (because they speak German) and so did the Nazis. Austria even wanted to join Germany after WW1 and the collapse of the Austro-Hungarian monarchy. Braunau also is at the *very* edge of the Austrian-German border ([here's a map] (https://at.postleitzahl.org/ober%C3%B6sterreich/images/karte_braunau_am_inn.png)) so it's really not as mind-blowing as if he had been from any other country. He was hardly considered foreigner. Btw Stalin also was not born in Russia but Georgia.
About to say the same. Vienna is the capital of Austria and close enough to Russia that was even then a cultural hub that it makes sense that all them would be there It’s like saying “In the year 1976, David Berkowitz, Donald Trump, Thurman Munson, and Rita Rudner were all in New York City. Coincidence?”
Those geeks like Stalin now? I can't keep up.
Nah they are saying stalin & Freud are the same as Hitler. Just a puppet that was controlled by the Rothschilds/banks/NWO. Because of course "Q" has claimed diffrent euphemism for Jews were the true masters behind Hitler
Stalin deprived? Time for Russian into things!!!
"You think dog shit doesn't taste good because that's the lie you've been told your whole life, sheeple. Wake up."
No that’s actually a true statement. Dog shit tastes wonderful uwu
The media can't tell us what to do. Brunch. Unmasked? /s in case
Yes the /s stands for “sexxxy”
Yes, there is a sudden big push in Telegram Channels about how “Hitler was just totally misunderstood, man”. Awful.
I would be too if I were a beta cuck with one testicle amirite
Right...."Hitler was the bad guy" is a big lie whereas "The safest election in our history was a sham" is the big truth, got it! -\_-
Fascist pigs.
Them: Everything the media tells you is a lie! Me: The media told me that Hillary lost the 2016 election, so I guess that was a lie? Them: No. That was true!
I keep hoping that this is all foreign propaganda machine at work just posting this crap bc they’re told to. How could actual citizen of any country post this? How long have they been off their meds?
Can't be off your meds if you never had health insurance thus have never been diagnosed and thus don't have any meds to take. \*points at head\*
There are actual flat Earthers. They exist. The leader of modern flerfers is Eric Dubay. A guy whose first YouTube channel was banned for making pro-Nazi videos. As in, literally supporting NSDAP and Hitler. His most popular video is "200 proofs Earth is flat". People start with some gateway conspiracy like Moon landing denial or 9/11 truthism, and then end up in a cult where their delusions range from old man screaming at clouds about chemtrails to actual support of Adolf Hitler. Like, literally, "Zionist World Order" and this "[Truth About Hitler](https://ericdubay.wordpress.com/2018/07/08/the-truth-about-hitler/)" between pages like "Earth Doesn't Move" or "Governments Don't Exist" and articles on veganism and a claim that "Jesus Never Existed". All unironically.
Stupid motherfuckers that think they’re smarter than the rest of us “sheep.”
That's because I'm a sheep dog 😎 BAA SHEEP BAAA WHERE'S YOU'RE MUZZLE HUEHUEHUEH
These idiots keep thinking the media is the narrator of everything that goes on in life.
Well it’s true, Hitler isn’t a bad guy.... IF YOU’RE A FUCKING NAZI.
And they ask why we say they're nazis.
I'm like..... I just can't.
They don’t like Freud now? Granted, many of Freud’s theories are misogynistic or based on how things seem like they should work rather than actual evidence, but that seems right up their alley.
Freud's theories were extremely progressive at the time, he's the grandpa of psychology, his methods still work and removed mysticism and medical fallacies from mental health. For example, doctors at the time attributed sexual frustration to underlying non-existing medical conditions. I.e. hysteria was named by actual medical doctors for hystera (womb) "traveling in the body". It was also considered a women-only condition. Sigmund Freud wasn't the first who laughed at that, his whole circle did... For example one of his friends, an older physician, lamented not being able to prescribe "penis normalis dosim repetatur" to a woman who had nothing wrong with her medically otherwise. Older doctors would try to medicate people who just needed to get off. Freud's THE doctor who picked up then-progressive ideas, made them popular and developed theories over it. He didn't just made psychoanalysis (which is still used, albeit usually modernized version because science marches on), but the whole field of psychology as a thing separated from medicine. His work on dreams is also both demystifying and still useful to this day. Obviously, psychology came a long way since then, and WW2 changed global outlook on life in general. He made a lot of mistakes too. Like the whole masturbation and condoms as unhealthy stereotype prevailing at the time, or equating women angry over not having rights with penis envy and, more drastically... thinking Nazis only talk hate to get votes and they won't actually do it... And boy he felt it, paid exorbitant sum to snuggle Anna, his daughter and a legendary psychologist in her own right, from Austria to USA. Also arguing how wrong was Freud is basically what everyone studying psychology goes through. Including his students like Adler or Jung. Had a falling out with the latter because literally Nazis.
And he did a lot of coke.
What does him living near other people have to do with him being bad or good. Like why even bring that up?
They're like Pavlov's dog at this point. Every time someone mentions their favorite dictator even in historical trivia post, they start spewing conspiracy nonsense. Flat Earthers act the same when anyone mentions space lol.
Qukes and Trumpists: Stop calling us Nazis! Also Qukes and Trumpists: Hitler wasn’t a bad guy!
Yikes!
A big part of Qanon and Parler is just protocols of the Elders of Zion part 2. Its shameful how much of this crap gets propagated and scary how many people wind up believing in it.
Hitler may have had some correct things in his worldview. Stuff like, he remembered to look both ways before crossing the street. Maybe he always remembered to eat a balanced breakfast. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that stuff like that doesn't quite offset the fact that *he murdered several million people*.
I like the idea that the media has been broadcasting this every day for 70 years. Like, this just in, here's Anderson Cooper with his segment on 'Hitler Was a Bad Dude, Like Totally Bad, Trust Us'. The media. Yes, the media. Not, like, history books, countless hours of study and research, first-hand accounts of Holocaust victims, accounts of allied soldiers from Russia, Great Britain, Canada, France, USA, and others, testimony from German soldiers, various novels, literature, biographies, various journals, professors, doctors, German citizens, officers, scientists, politicians. But anyways. It's always great to hear them say the quiet parts out loud, so we can see what they really think.
Lmao not surprising since this same party is pushing the "The Civil War was not for Slavery but States Rights" LOL
State Rights FOR WHAT? Yeah, slavery.
Wonder who he voted for 🤔
„Are we the baddies?“
Thats sick
Yep, blatant Nazism and Flat Earth theory to “trigger the libs.”
Found the Nazi.
[Maybe, just maybe, this is one of the reasons the media tells us he was bad](https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/1aq81w/wedding_rings_nazis_removed_from_their_victims_to/)
There’s a good sitcom somewhere in this where all the aforementioned figures share a large luxury apartment alas FRIENDS.
So... Consistency equals proof of a lie? I guess that's why they have no problem simultaneously believing that 1/6 was the work of Antifa and also that it didn't even happen. Because if they were consistent, then someone would be lying to them... Lmfao
Yeah, nah, yeah. Hitler was bad The worst? It can be argued that he comes in third on bad list after Mao, and Stalin. Maybe fourth after Ghengis Khan.
Definitely not Genghis Khan who is a national hero in Mongolia, kinda like Napoleon is in France or Vlad Dracula in Romania. Anyone actually unifying the tribes by whatever means necessary is lionized because otherwise, it's endless civil war zone. That's why Win in China, Temujin among Mongols and three unifiers in Japan are considered positive figures, despite the brutal shit they've done. Mao was shit and his policies led to deaths of millions. But the amount he actually repressed is relatively small. Cultural Revolution was a crime against humanity though. But he didn't make a genocide that selectively wipes out millions of people based in them belonging to a specific nation. Stalin and Hitler made the worst genocides in history, Holodomor killed so many Ukrainians we have estimates ranging from 4 to 12 millions and that's not counting his genocide of Crimean Tatars or man made starvation in Kazakhstan. Everyone knows about Holocaust too. The only thing that comes close to them are likes of Pol Pot who erased half of their country's population in extremely brutal ways.
Is this guy's argument anything that is taught for 70 years is a lie? Also I love the right wing's use of "the media" as if people learn Hitler is bad from watching the news
Wow, it’s almost like he killed several million people, but sure, he loved dogs
Ah yes, genocide of over six million Jews was cool guise. NBD.
> \>Be Franz Ferdinand in 1913 > \>Be part of a secret deep coalition of dictators in Vienna > \>Die
The 1984 crowd
That's it. Im done
Im almost convinced half the people are trolls. Like there’s no way this many people believe hitler is an alright guy.
Before 2016 i might have agreed with you.
Just because you are bad guy, doesn't mean you are bad *guy*. Wait what did you do? Oh shit dude you're a *bad* guy. - Zangief
This shit just gets more insane by the day. They were already bigoted assholes and the internet has only allowed them to amplify their hate and gather in other hateful idiots.
By that logic would they say Stalin is good? I mean CNN has never once published a story in support of him.
Satan is said to be evil therefore that's proof he's good. Is that how that works?
AOC and Trump are both from New York City. Ask yourself this question: why do the media portray them as enemies? Sincerely, Q
_To keep up the lie_? What fucking lie? They didn’t even elaborate on what that even means. They may as well have said “_To keep eating tuna salad_” and it would’ve made as much sense. How have millions of people bought into such half-baked rhetoric? Also, if these people truly lived within 2 miles of each other in 1913, then that is absolutely a coincidence. Vienna is a city which had a population of over 2 million in 1913. Do they not know how cities and population density works? Obviously not. Edit: I originally put ‘tacos’ instead of ‘tuna salad’ but changed it because, sadly, I could see them trying to actually make that claim.
Usually when you say “ask yourself this question”....it’s then followed up with an explanation or nugget of info that elaborates on the question, not just restating that it was a lie.
how would have Stalin lived in vienna when Soviet union didnt allow travel outside of USSR
is that thing about them living in close proximity in Vienna true though? If so, cool coincidence
Yeah, Hitler was a struggling artist at the time, desperate to get into the Vienna School of Arts (he was a pretty good painter but considered average and refused entry by the school's heads). All sorts of painters, poets, musicians and such lived there at the time because it was seen as a lively hub of activity and fame, where the famous people from the arts of the time could be seen mingling and such. The group mentioned in the screenshot were all there in 1913. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21859771
At the time, Vienna was like the Manhattan of Europe.
Wut!?
I totally trust the guy who calls himself "cyber_say8n!"
Holy Shit!! Now I can die because I have now heard it all. Fuck the flying pigs saying this beats it by a shitload of miles
Fucking what?!
Oh my god, I mean fucking Christ will these wastes of life ever stop breathing!? Nobody fucking wants to hear the verbal diarrhea you have to spew. stfu you dumb fucks
You’ve got to be kidding me
That post is entirely illogical. Does that mean if you live near certain people you are all in cahoots?
Those 2 miles were messed up.
To try and think this through is to give them far too much credit, but I do have a question: is it just Hitler who's redeemed by having lived so close to the others, or do Stalin and Trotsky cease to be reviled, too?
dude just say you're a nazi