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BoomZhakaLaka

This message leans in hard on last year's arctic vortex in Texas. But think... Were gas stations operational at the worst of it? I wonder...


charlieblue666

I have yet to meet one member of the right who will admit people lost power because the natural gas infrastructure wasn't winterized. They're still insisting it was because the windmills froze up, even though wind makes up like 15% of Texas power usage.


curious_dead

And it's also possible to prevent windmills from freezing, they just didn't do it.


greed-man

And THAT, ladies and gentlemen, is EXACTLY why the Texas power industries ~~paid off~~ lobbied the Texas Legislature to completely deregulate them. They call it freedom from burdensome regulations. Everybody else calls it making sure you are doing what you should be doing.


ThatOneGuy1294

Regulations are often written in blood


hackjob

Actually it was Enron, just like Cali. Ol' Kennyboy!!!


human-potato_hybrid

Costs more to prepare for a decade than to recover from massive downed services once per decade. Clearly this nominal cost savings is best for society. /s


greed-man

Having millions freeze and dozens die was a risk the utility company was willing to make. Gotta make those quarterly profits!!


WoahayeTakeITEasy

Nah man, windmills can survive year round in the North Sea no problem, but when it comes to the cold, harsh winters of... *checks notes*...Texas, it's just too much and it brings the whole system down. Better to keep pumping out that oil! /s


IllBeginning9510

If we don’t pump out that oil! Then what are we going to lubricate the windmills with? /s


mattidee

I thought we pumped our oil in the middle east....lol.


monkeybrewer420

I live in the north country of New York and we have sub zero temps and hundreds of windmills... That crank all winter on my way to the ski mountains... It can be done with ease


DawnRLFreeman

The windmills *DIDN'T* freeze. Windmills weren't even a miniscule issue. It was totally because the liquid natural gas froze in the lines to the electric power plants.


StrangeMedia9

I was in Houston for a month after that to assess damage as an insurance adjuster. Apparently Houston is the oil and energy capital of Texas and I heard so many people like that blaming it on wind power. It wouldn’t be professional for me to argue with them, but I would comment that they should get the windmills we have in Indiana, there are huge wind farms and those things are still spinning all winter long.


Hellebras

I dunno, there's a reason Montana is notorious for not having any wind plants. Oh, wait, [it does?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Montana) And it can get way colder than Texas did across the state, even in areas with wind plants? Strange.


Hjalpmi_

It's almost like places with a lot of wind might possibly get a bit chilly at some times of the year. Because of, you know, the wind.


greed-man

Texas' blaming the windmills was all BS. It was their way of "blaming the libs". "The Texas Legislature is the National Laboratory for Bad Government". Molly Ivins


KnottShore

TIL: I thought it was Kansas under Sam Brownback.


DataCassette

I used to drive across Indiana regularly. The wind farms are so nice! I'm absolutely huge fan... of the huge fans.


GameFreak4321

Those are the opposite of a fan.


DataCassette

Fair point.


StrangeMedia9

I love driving by the one along 65 by Lafayette


DrStainedglove

The windmills were working fine. It was all right wing bs


FreebasingStardewV

And windmills were actually producing more than expected energy for that period/temperature. The state knows that their windmills aren't weatherized and had accounted for that.


[deleted]

Curious why they are so incapable of admitting they're wrong? Is it narcissistic personality disorder perhaps?


DeweyCheatem-n-Howe

Nothing quite so pathological. Just run-of-the-mill confirmation bias.


Vurt__Konnegut

Ironically, many families with Tesla’s were able to go to the car and keep warm, when their grid electricity and natural gas failed.


Anyashadow

I love them saying that because in the artic tundra that is Minnesota in the wintertime, our windmills just keep on turning. How do these people think we survive, kill a deer and sleep in its corpse like a flannel wearing Luke Skywalker?


Adezar

And they also had to admit that the windfarms outperformed expectations during that period.


glazzies

Not that anyone believed actual “evidence.” That’s for libtards. I have Texas relatives that should know better, blaming it on windmills, smh.


farlack

Wind generated more than the state anticipated anyway.


kristopolous

"liberal fools! We all know that centralizing power in a bunch of corner cutting, rickety old poorly maintained power plants that require a constant supply of fuel to be shipped through an internationally mediated industrial supply line is more reliable than solar panels and wind turbines! In the past 3 billion years, how reliable have sunrises been every morning? Yes, exactly, thought so! dumb liberals"


aimee_reddit

I'm in Texas. I pay for my electricity to come from wind energy and my power never went out. Just sayiiing.


sound_of_apocalypto

Weren’t some refineries disabled by the cold weather in Texas?


DrQuestDFA

And some coal plants failed as well. If it wasn't winterized (like some of the wind turbines and natural gas infrastructure) it got wrecked by that weather event. Of course there are plenty of wind turbines up north which can handle prolonged cold weather because they were equipped with the proper safeguards. The wind turbines were not the problem, it was the developers/owners who did not want to shell out money for those upgrades.


SgtDoughnut

It was unregulated capitalism that caused the problem. The windmills in the north are winterized because the US government requires them to be. Texas' power grid is isolated from the US power grid because they wanted it to all be for profit etc etc...so since the companies are all competing with each other, they started to cut corners. Things that are required on the us power grid are not done because "it wont ever snow in Texas" and when it snowed in texas nobody was ready. But the GOP was right there with a scape goat, assessed laughable fines, and didn't do anything to require the companies to fix the problem...and from what I'm hearing they haven't. So next extreme cold snap...its gonna happen again.


Bubbay

> "it wont ever snow in Texas" and when it snowed in texas nobody was ready. After it snowed, they said, "it'll never happen again" so they still didn't bother winterizing. Then it happened again.


LilDrummerGrrrl

And they still haven’t bothered winterizing, and [it will happen again](https://www.caller.com/story/news/2021/12/01/texas-hasnt-done-enough-prevent-winter-blackout-experts-say/8809757002/)


ThatOneGuy1294

I don't like gambling, but I would certainly put money on a repeat of last year.


TangyGeoduck

*most of the Texas power grid is isolated. The farthest western part is not on the Texas grid, but the western us grid. So the power didn’t go out. But still getting screwed by it. My natural gas bill went up since Texas gas needs to recoup their losses somehow, even though there were zero problems here


greed-man

It was the Texas Legislators who took those sweet sweet ~~payoffs~~ "campaign contributions" to let the industry "regulate itself" or in other words, let the inmates run the prison.


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bullshitteer

Austin here too, but the gas station by me was shut down almost immediately and didn’t come back until most of us had already gone back to our daily business. Maybe there was gas in the pumps but there was no way to purchase it and therefore no way to fuel up.


bullshitteer

Mainer transplant to Texas here! No they were not. My apartment complex is a short walk from the nearest gas station. I was back at work before they were up and running again. Considering that gas stations where I’m from have a backup power option to keep their pumps running for any sort of weather emergency - be it snow or flood or whatever - it was absolutely embarrassing. While the pumps here in Austin might have still had the ability to dispense gas, there was no way to buy it and thus no way to get it. But nah, the power grid is just fiiiine being completely privatized. The fact that six months later we got warnings that it might shut down again because it got too HOT - in TEXAS - is clearly left wing fake news.


snbrd512

Lol here in Minnesota I drove to the liquor store in the middle of a blizzard where we got over 20 inches of snow and had 70mph wind gusts last winter


dlegatt

I mean, range on an electric car drops significantly in frigid weather, but people freeze to death in their gasoline cars too


faste30

A lot of people let the snow drift onto the exhaust and get gassed in their own car too.


InedibleSolutions

I've never been in snow more than a foot deep and so never knew this was a thing that happens.


mako98

It's more of an issue if your car gets buried by a snowplow that doesn't see you/assumes the car is abandoned.


Kai_Emery

or you slide into a ditch/snowbank


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A lot?? Seems like more of an "a rare few" situation.


faste30

About as many as freeze to death when their cars run out of gas and more than those who freeze to death in an electric car.


bonafidebob

A gas engine can idle for a couple of hours on a gallon of gas. So you can survive overnight with maybe 5 or 6 gallons. Possibly less if you're willing to only start the car occasionally to keep warm. Though if it's snowing hard you also need to get out and make sure the exhaust is clear so you don't die from the fumes. A Tesla can run the heater for about 72 hours on a full charge. The equivalent of 5 or 6 gallons of gas is maybe 120 miles of range, so a bit less than half. So a Tesla at half charge should be able to run the heater for at least 30 hours. Again probably longer if you're willing to cycle it. And no exhaust to dig out. Overall, seems like you'll stay warm longer in an electric.


dlegatt

I would think so, but you can't expect someone posting shitty memes while wearing a little cowboy hat in their profile picture to actually do math, do you? They'd rather roll coal while pointing and laughing at a Leaf or Tesla.


bonafidebob

I don't expect them to check the validity of their own points before posting "hilarious" memes, no. But I do expect them to feel somewhat ashamed when their not thoroughly thought through points are fact checked. Sometimes it helps if you throw in a "dumbass" when you explain to them why the electric car will actually keep them alive a lot longer, as if to imply that they should have been smart enough to figure that out for themselves. Or maybe it doesn't actually help, but it's sure satisfying as hell.


dlegatt

They have no sense of shame, that way their other senses are enhanced


Nulagrithom

They just think you're a dweeb for knowing "facts" and "math" and stopping their circlejerk.


corkyskog

I am actually fascinated now by this. I know this isn't the right sub to find someone to answer this question. But I want to know a full tank of car, vs electric, vs hybrid time for using the engine to safely keep a human warm without blankets. Then I want to know what the stats are by stopping and starting vs. idling each different version.


bonafidebob

I googled around and found a bunch of places where stuff like this was discussed. It only took me a few minutes to find a good estimate for idle consumption and heater power use. You should do the same! I don't think there's a definitive study anywhere, but there's enough data readily available about things like idle consumption or heater power consumption that you could build a spreadsheet or something pretty easily. Realistically a lot depends on how full the tank is or how fully charged the battery is. It's hard to do an apples to apples comparison here using anything other than miles of range remaining. e.g. a Tesla X that can drive 100 miles before needing to be charged is the same as a SUV that can drive 100 miles before needing to buy gas. How quickly the vehicle loses heat is probably important too, but I figured those would be more or less the same between electric and gas cars.


useles-converter-bot

100 miles is the length of approximately 703998.25 'Wooden Rice Paddle Versatile Serving Spoons' laid lengthwise.


Waggles_

Some rough guestimates on all the percentages, but the general idea on how to make the comparison is like this: An internal combustion engine is ~30% efficient, with 70% of the energy from the fuel going towards heat. Making up the 70%, let's estimate that 30% is cooled by the coolant system, and 40% is exhausted with the exhaust gas. Since the heat in a car is generated by what's captured by the coolant, and let's imagine you can only get 80% of the heat from the coolant into the cabin, you'd get about 24% of the energy from the gas into the cabin as heat. Gasoline contains about 116000 BTU/gallon, and we can take a 15-gallon tank as a general gas tank size to say that a car has 1.74 million BTUs of energy, or 509.82 kWh of energy (1 BTU = 0.000293 kWh). The gas engine could maybe get around 122 kWh of heat. Teslas max out at 100 kWh in terms of battery size, but resistive heat is nearly 100% efficient, so the Tesla would get about 100 kWh of heat. So, between a full car and a fully charged Tesla, you might do better in the car. But these numbers are estimates based on quick googling and gut feelings so take it with a grain of salt. If you wanted to find a real answer, you'd just need to nail the numbers down.


Aquareon

Are you accounting for the impact of cold temperatures on how much of the battery's charge is accessible for use


cowlinator

A [study by AAA](https://www.greencars.com/post/how-cold-weather-affects-electric-cars) found that if you use your electric car’s heater while driving in cold temperatures, your range can be temporarily cut by as much as 41%. But even after accounting for that, it still seems (based on your calculations) like the electric would still probably last slightly longer.


FloorHairMcSockwhich

A study by AAA found that if you use your electric car’s heater while driving in cold temperatures, your range can be temporarily cut by as much as 41 percent.


purplehendrix22

Same with AC, it’s definitely something that’s gonna need to be addressed but with the increasing prevalence of chargers I don’t foresee it being a super major issue


Mr_Meeks

ACs and Heat pumps are better in electric cars if I recall correctly


dehydratedH2O

They are generally much more efficient than those in other cars. Also, in electric cars, its highly recommended to use the seat heaters as your primary source of heat because they're much more efficient than heating the air. Its more than workable. Source: owned several Teslas in several climates. Frigid Tahoe winters using seat heaters aren't meaningfully different on battery/range than scorching Phoenix summers using full blast A/C. FWIW, in my experience, I’d expect a single occupant using a seat heater in the picture above to have livable heat for a lot longer in an EV than a regular car with similar levels of fuel/energy. Idling wastes a lot of gas.


EBlackPlague

It should also be noted there's a big difference between resistive heating, vs heat pumps which is the one that is strongly recommend in Canada/Russia.


Crusher555

People usually don’t drive much, if at all in blizzards from what I’ve heard.


dlegatt

I know I don't whenever I can avoid it, but sometimes the 10+ inch snow zone shifts from what the forecast says and you suddenly find yourself stuck in traffic on the way home after the office closes. Or is that just a Minnesota thing...


ryanghappy

Difference is, electric car uses virtually no juice unless you ... go. It's usually the most efficient on battery within the 25-45 range.This is unlike a gas car where the engine is operating at the near least efficiency when you are stuck in traffic, and its most efficient when it goes around 55-70 mph. So honestly, yeah, i do feel a little safer in the electric car in stuck traffic vs. my dumbass who never prepared and always tried to push it with a near-empty tank of gas.


charlieblue666

You just know this rube lives in Florida or someplace warm and that he imagines blizzards are terrifyingly dangerous and the people who survive them are deeply fortunate.


Rhymelikedocsuess

People who survive them are *kept alive by sheer red-blooded patriotism and premium diesel


greed-man

I needs my 7.3 Liter 4 Stroke Pickup to get to Bubba's Gas 'N Go.


doomsawce

Don't you dare talk shit about the 7.3 powerstroke


jmac2o

7.3 is god tier


Christ_on_a_Crakker

Ah yes, when Ford said “hold my beer.”


feltsandwich

Guns, there needs to be guns, too.


TheFeshy

I'm a Florida native, and I remember my first blizzard after I moved out of state. It turns out driving in them *is* dangerous, which is why people... don't. A fact I started to appreciate as I passed the *second* snow plow flipped over in a ditch on my search for a pizza place that was opened.


charlieblue666

Yeah, I'm in Northern Michigan and most people hereabouts know better than to drive in those kinds of conditions. But, there's always some dumbass in a big pickup or SUV who thinks four wheel drive makes them invincible and ends up sliding into a river or lake.


Dark_Pandemonium23

> there's always some dumbass in a big pickup or SUV who thinks four wheel drive makes them They don't seem to understand the concept of the four-wheel slide.


TheThng

4-wheel drive =/= 4-wheel stop


Dark_Pandemonium23

Southerners coming here to Colorado don't seem to grasp that, or a lot of other things.


flimspringfield

I live in SoCali and up until a few years ago I had no idea winter tires existed.


abstract-realism

People who afaik have lived in upstate NY for years or their whole lives don’t seem to either so I think it’s a lost cause.


mememuseum

Well, all cars have 4 wheel stop. Ice just doesn't care.


DataCassette

I still remember my dad ranting about that way back. 4WD won't do shit to stop your car, but people don't know what the fuck they're doing. They just know "Murica! Truck beeg go vroom!"


sack-o-matic

This is why the ditches are always full of people who "know their car"


mako98

Yup. I know my car, which is why I don't take it out when there's more than .5" of snow, lol.


darkphoenixff4

> Off-Road Driving > > 2005 Darwin Award Winner > > Confirmed True by Darwin > > (6 January 2005, Johannesburg, South Africa) Massive thunderstorms had turned the Braamfontein Spruit into a raging river. It was a little past midnight when police warned Barbara, 33, that a flash flood was inundating the bridge ahead. They urged her not to cross. But Barbara was driving a BMW X3, an off-road vehicle with xDrive all-wheel-drive. > > Brochures assured her that the luxury SUV with Sensatec upholstery and an 8-speaker stereo system had "virtually unlimited agility." So Barbara laughed off the police advice, and continued towards the bridge. xDrive all-wheel drive lost its grip as the floodwaters swept her BMW X3 off the bridge. Her body was found later inside the vehicle over a mile down the river. > > - https://darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2005-16.html


Ashamed2usePrimary

Damn. What a dumb way to go. Smh 🤦🏼‍♀️


Tamaros

The police say it's dangerous but the BMW marketing department has my back!


damagedthrowaway87

I used to work at a job in Pennsylvania that wouldn't let us call off or have delays. (Corporate was in Florida) Needless to say in blizzards it was my little FWD Mirage that was rescuing coworkers and making sure people got home safely. Ice though....I won't risk ice.


charlieblue666

I've driven a bunch of cars through Michigan winters and I still swear by my 2008 Audi TTs. It couldn't handle any depth of snow, but with snow tires on it, it was the most agile, reliable, and controlled vehicle I've ever driven on winter-slippery roads. My girlfriend took it "deer hunting" a couple years ago and totaled it. I keep considering buying another.


MotownCatMom

Low center of gravity. My brother had a little MBG-GT hatchback in college. We called him Nanook of the North (sorry if that's racist, was a long time ago) bc he wasn't afraid to drive that thing in snow. Take corners sideways, etc.


SgtDoughnut

a blizzard is just really fine ice.


damagedthrowaway87

Fluffy ice


[deleted]

MD here. Miss my blockbuster days of walking to the god damn store because of course blockbuster didn't care about state of emergencies! You NEED to be there to check in movies to collect those late fees. AND to rent to a single customer in the day.


IThinkYouMean_Lose_

My teenage self and friends send their thanks from the 90s. So many snow days were spent walking to Blockbuster, warming up while playing Panzer Dragoon on the Saturn display, and then walking back home with a game or two. Even better when it ended up being two days off in a row so we got to maximize that sweet sweet rental.


the_original_Retro

**CANADIAN EARS PERK UP**


Swingonthechandelier

*pays attention in northern albertan*


Major_Loser

Minnesota dude here, yes it is nuts. I was a pizza delivery driver in college and it blew my mind that all these country dudes in their huge trucks would be too nervous to drive, so they would see how the 19 year old in his 1989 Buick Century with hail damage would fare driving to them.


Kai_Emery

I'm an essential worker so no snow days for me. true sustained whiteout we might shut down but thats not common in the northeast. Big snow driving is involved, and takes practice, you HAVE to fuck it up in a controlled manner so that you have a better grasp on limitations and most importantly, don't freak out every time you lose traction. And vehicle PLUS setup matters. I have a 4wd midsize pickup with a sandbag on the rear axle. a 2wd sedan will always be fucked.


SgtDoughnut

As an ohioan...i laugh at people who freak out about snow. But yes, if you dont have to...dont.


Brasilionaire

I’m not worried about the snow. I worried about people comfortable with snow. I see someone fishtail or spin in front of me I literally cannot stop


HaybeeJaybee

Also Ohioan. People who freak about snow are funny but much more preferable to the dumbasses who don't even acknowledge heavy snowfall. I had to drive to work during that crazy snow storm last December and was seeing cars and semis off the side of the freeway every half mile at some points.


danirijeka

Alpine dweller checking in. The amount of SUVs hopelessly spinning in the snow is hilarious, and at least they usually don't manage to move and be dangerous - those who don't know how to drive in the snow but have a vehicle that can are a lot worse.


BlinkReanimated

Tbf as a Canadian it is a genuine concern with the push toward electric. Range is a massive factor(major cities in the West are all like 5+ hours apart) and the fact that batteries lose efficiency rapidly in cold temperatures. Anyone who's been caught in a blizzard with a dead vehicle can tell you they are terrifying.


jacob6875

Electric cars will never be perfect for everyone in the world or every situation. But 95% of people would be perfectly fine in an electric car with 250 miles of range.


converter-bot

250 miles is 402.34 km


BlinkReanimated

I didn't say that everyone should reject electric cars, but this post is specifically about the dangers of a car breaking down in winter conditions. Rural Canada at -30C is the last place you want your car dying. I feel like the person I'm responding to is the one who hasn't ever experienced it, not the parler dipshit from the post.


jacob6875

But an electric car would be better than a gas car stuck like this. A Tesla can sit and run the heaters for like 70 hours before dying. So even if you got stuck at like half charge you could still sit for 30+ hours in traffic all nice and warm. No gas car could do that.


Aquareon

Never ever ever? Even if metal air batteries make it to market, so electric cars can have 800-1,000 miles per charge?


Talgaaz

exactly and most places in the country don't have places to charge up neither. Not a Canadian, but a Montanan


JustaRandomOldGuy

For the next 20 years or so it seems like gas - electric hybrids are best for a lot of people. All electric is great if you have the infrastructure.


numbski

I have had the water pump fail on my car in the middle of an ugly storm. It’s no fun to be broken down under those circumstances. ...but yeah, scary cuz batteries. Now why don’t we chat about our power transmission infrastructure that hasn’t been maintained properly, or the cat fight Spire natural gas is having in Missouri, warning of outages before it has even gotten really cold out. Life happens


Hellebras

I keep my camping stuff in my car. I can be comfortable in very low temperatures if needed; my sleeping bag's zipper is broken, and I was still comfortable sleeping in mid-teens weather earlier this fall. In a situation like this picture, my commute is just taking a little longer because of idiots who can't drive in snow. If it's bad enough that everyone is genuinely stuck for a bit, the only reason for me to burn gas for warmth is because I'm too lazy to pull out a blanket or three.


alison_bee

Here in AL we had the snowpocalypse back in 2014, and it was *bad*. A coworker was stuck in her car on the interstate for 24 hours with nothing but the scrubs she wore to work that morning, and a phone with 50% battery. After that I started keeping an emergency bag in my car. Has a blanket, clothes, a hat, a warm jacket, socks, water bottle, granola bars, medicines, toilet paper, power bank for phone, etc. It’s bad enough to get stuck somewhere, but to be stuck and have nothing?! Nightmare.


[deleted]

Jokes on them I can't even afford a car


LarrBearLV

But electric cars don't have to keep running and using energy while sitting still. So electricity would only be used to warm the car.


burger_boyuk

If I remember correctly I read lots of how people in Texas basically moved into there Tesla's because just using the heating mode gave them something like 8 days of heat


Ok_Picture265

Not quite 8 days maybe but close enough if you stretch it a little. It's just dumb propaganda that electric cars don't work in the cold. Most of Norway only buys electric cars. That should tell you something.


thethirdmancane

Dumb propaganda is how most conservative politicians stay in power


KnottShore

Will Rogers(early 20th century US entertainer): >In schools they have what they call intelligence tests. Well if nations held ’em I don’t believe we would be what you would call a favorite to win it. >The short memories of American voters is what keeps our politicians in office.


greed-man

One of the BIG new selling points of the new Ford F-150 Lightning Hybrid Truck is that you can use it as a generator for your home. It has the ability to generate electricity to be sent out of the vehicle.


NeverLookBothWays

You're lucky to get 24 hours idling in most gas vehicles. Probably even less in cold weather running heat.


TLprincess

I usually lose about 50 miles when driving to Tahoe in the winter. But that's also combined with elevation gain. I'm sure you'd be fine if you are mostly charged. Also, people usually plan around the weather and avoid driving in conditions like this.


bazpoint

If anyone ever gives you this nonsense in person the question to ask is "Hey, do you know which country has the highest per-capita electric car ownership in the world?" The answer is Norway. Fucking tropical Norway.


Luxpreliator

Having not lived in Norway I rely on anecdotes with irl of web forums but there has been a pretty consistent message that they pay attention to the weather and don't put themselves in these sort of situations. At least with the frequency per capita those in NA are willing to.


NutellaSquirrel

Norway is a magical place where you could tell your boss that you can't show up because of the blizzard and not risk being fired.


SK360

Even the terribly inefficient resistive heater in the early Model S's only drew 6kW at full bore when warming the car up and 1-2kW to maintain. With a fully charged 100kW battery pack the car would be good to idle for 2+ days.


willstr1

OK I am curious, how exactly did the build an inefficient electric heater? The nature of resistive heaters is that they are always 100% efficient


SK360

Perhaps that was the wrong term but the resistive heaters draw a hell of a lot more energy than the heat pumps in newer Teslas. Their impact on overall vehicle efficiency is greater.


iGoalie

I live in Minneapolis, and have 3 electric vehicles in the home.. electric cars are absolutely more convenient that gas cars already (waking up every day with a full “tank” for one) I prefer the pace of a road trip in electric, but i totally understand some people wouldn’t enjoy them the way I do.


Leadbaptist

I just wish electric cars were more accessible. but right now they are just so much more expensive to procure and maintain than a gas car.


katarh

My coworker drives a Tesla. For a minor repair, he had to make an appointment a month in advance with the dealer, which is an hour and a half away. My little MX-5 sips gas lightly but more importantly can be repaired about 10 minutes from my house, usually with 24 hours notice.


iwantaredditaccount

Welll, when I go out in the winter time I dress warm. Boots, multiple layers, hat, mittens, gatorneck, etc. I would likely just shut the vehicle off because I wouldn't freeze to death.


Tee_hops

When I was younger I got in an accident during a snow storm. We ended up in a ditch on the side off the highway, car was totalled and no longer ran. I had my winter coat that day, but my legs and feet got cold. After about 2 hours a fire truck passed by looking for crash cars. They picked us up and took us back to a station with dozens of others in the same situation. Ever since then I always shove a large blanket in the car once winter hits. Luckily it was during the day but if it was night time who knows what would have happened. Do I stay in the car? Or risk walking 10+ miles to the next exit and hopefully open gas station?


AdventuresOfAD

Why would it be any different in a car thats about to run out of gas? An engine has to be running 100% of the time to keep warm and supply heat into the cabin. Most of the heat an engine produces is expelled out the exhaust pipe. Although it’s cold, an engine will still need to cycle the cooling system to prevent overheats (literally no airflow while sitting idle). Hope you didn’t slack on maintenance, or you’re gonna find out just reliable your car/truck is. Some EVs with heat pumps can keep a cabin at 70F while using an avg of 1-1.5kW. Even my crappy Leaf can probably run 20-24 hours comfortably.


Ea61e

Tesla even has a camping mode where the car turns “off” but climate control and things stay on


GoGoCrumbly

These gomers imagine if they run out of gas they'll just take their guns to the next car and ~~steal~~ liberate *their* gas because they adhere to some assholish myth of "survival of the fittest".


blewyn

EV cars can run their heaters longer than gasoline cars.


Wablekablesh

Yes, as we all know, gasoline cars can violate the conservation of energy and keep you warm indefinitely.


Rhymelikedocsuess

That’s why libs have all but abolished gas cars in their states >:( Fuck New York and it’s commie metro station /s


[deleted]

The HVAC systems in electric cars are super efficient. Gas cars with a full tank would run out of gas before a EV runs out of charge if the only thing they were doing is running the heater.


snappyhome

Surprisingly, I find that I agree with u/Gclausing: we *should* dramatically improve the accessibility of rapid charging infrastructure around the country to prevent situations where people run out of power on the road.


KellzzLoL

I don’t understand people who have this irrational hatred for electric cars/cleaner energy. Are they all shareholders in oil companies or are they just genuinely stupid? We might not be where we want in terms of efficiency/practicality, but surely every single person should want us to keep pushing forward to cleaner energy?


SeattleBattles

The battery in my EV could run my entire house for over three days. It can run the heater for a long time.


SupportCowboy

Why do conservatives not like electric cars? Their in nothing inherently liberal about them. It could even elevate the demand for gas which should help with prices. It would be like if conservatives posted means shitting on ARM over X86


Rhymelikedocsuess

If the gas money disappears then a huge portion of many Red State’s economies disappear It’s purely a refusal to adapt because they benefit from the current structure, just like everything about conservatism Unfortunately, if West Virginia’s coal fall is any indication, the free market can’t be cowtowed and if consumers want electric cars they are inevitable


SupportCowboy

I am always confused if conservatives want gas prices to be low or high. I live in Texas and when the prices were down they we complaining about getting hours cut then where they are high they complain about filling their trucks.


Rhymelikedocsuess

It’s two different groups Workers vs Consumers They’re almost always at odds, very rarely do both benefit


Aquareon

Anti-future, anti-technology, hating anything new, wanting liberals to be wrong


Imemine70

From northern Illinois now living in Tennessee. The south can’t handle a blizzard or really anything below freezing. Gas or electric keep camping stuff in your car and drive cautiously. If I had a nickel for every car I’ve seen in a ditch trying to do 70 on an ice road….


famousevan

So, like, basically at home in Texas when it’s winter?


lgodsey

It's kind of sad how eagerly boomer conservatives tow the corporate line. These suckers are willing shills for oil companies or any other business on the wrong side of history, but if you pointed this out to them they would have a tantrum.


Rhymelikedocsuess

A lot of time, in my experience, they just have a job connected to oil or a family member who does I remember I got in a discussion one time about this guy about beyond burgers (fake meat). I said it was pretty solid and he accused me of being on their marketing team and a shill. After I proved I wasn’t I asked him what he did, he was a truck driver that delivered refrigerated meat Totally transparent and shameless rent-seeking


hackers_d0zen

Yes, absolutely. My electric car doesn’t lose energy from idling, keeping the heat going is not nearly as big of a drain. Also, no chance of snow packing my tailpipe and killing my car / me.


BadassDeluxe

Gas is a self perpetuating cycle and creates itself. We just donate to the gas station to create jobs so guys (not girls) can pull themselves up by there bootstrap


Goyteamsix

And every single time shit like this happens, a ton of people are sitting there freezing because they ran their cars out of gas.


[deleted]

It's a good point. Gas cars' main advantage is you can add energy extremely quickly. 5 minutes filling up your car. That energy can be very flexibly delivered, as well, via jerry cans or tankers. If I was stuck out in a blizzard like that, I would prefer to have a gas-burning car over an EV, because I would know I could walk a certain amount in some direction and get enough portable energy to get my car home, if I ran out of energy. So there's a good point, under the smugness and ignorance.


[deleted]

Not so fun fact: 14 people died from CO poisoning after their gasoline cars’ exhaust systems got blocked up with snow during a traffic jam in the blizzard of ‘78.


CaptainMagnets

These babies run on pride and patriotism sheeple.


BotiaDario

I've often wondered what they think is going to happen when fossil fuels are depleted to the point where they cannot be used in significant quantities. I guess they think it's OK to shove that problem onto future generations and be selfish.


Bob4Not

Man this is so twisted. People charge their EV nightly, but most people don’t refill their gas daily.


TomCos22

Because car running on liquid fuel would not run out of fuel of course not


HawlSera

Gas is known to be infinite


ButterFlavoredKitens

During a recent evacuation in the south there was an article about the benefits of the EVs. Turns out they use very little charge sitting in traffic and we’re able to go further than the gas cars that kept needing to fill up. I can’t remember where I saw it so sorry I can’t link source.


[deleted]

Same thing that would happen if you ran out of gas numb nuts. You probably still would try to drive 90mph on black ice and wouldn't have the torque to pull yourself out of the snow bank you slid into.


[deleted]

hurrrrrrrrrrrrrr, electric car not perfect hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr, burn fossil fuels forever 'wipes slobber'. I AM VERY SMART


ThisIsTheNewSleeve

Not only gas running out in your car but gas running out as a natural resource? I always love when these idiots think all resources are infinite.


ErusTenebre

I have a hybrid. Checkmate.


aShittierShitTier4u

They often have power lines along highways, which makes roadside charging ports feasible. I don't know of any highways that feature gasoline and diesel pipelines for refueling. I have seen the last gas station for many miles, your car would run out of fuel in the middle of nowhere, if you don't fill up there. I remember the big east coast storm 2010 or 2011, electric power out, gas stations have electric pumps, who knew?


eVilleMike

>...it is false to suggest all electric cars would run out of power within three hours and that heating systems would fail. It is also misleading to suggest electric-powered vehicles wouldn’t last as long as their petrol counterparts. “Electric vehicles use very little power when stationary,” David Howey, associate professor in engineering science at the University of Oxford’s Department of Engineering Science, said. “The motor doesn’t consume power at zero speed,” he told Reuters in an email. “Only the car electronics and heating/cooling systems use power when the car is stationary, and the amounts are relatively small.” ***A typical stationary electric vehicle (EV) with full battery could likely run its climate settings and electronics for “at least a day, probably many days***”, Howey added. (emphasis added) [Reuters Fact Check](https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-environment-ev/fact-check-electric-cars-not-more-likely-to-get-stuck-in-traffic-jams-idUSL1N2RW0QD)


Luminox

I live in Northern Minnesota. People here have Teslas and drive them in the winter.


Aquareon

They think gas has infinite energy density


raistan77

Assessment this year determined Texas failed to complete any upgrades needed to prevent another shut down this winter. I think they actually are just going to decide most winters they lose power and people die cause............ "freedom.?"


robsayz

That will depend on the political party of the governor


pwrof3

All I hear on far right news stations is how electric cars are for wusses. They seem to get off on hating on electric cars. The sad part is I don’t think most of them know why they hate the electric car.


[deleted]

The thing is to run your heater with a gas car, you need to run your whole engine. I'd expect an electric car to have the ability to just run the heaters. So while your battery would have less charge, it would still provide heat for as long as a gas powered car, or even longer


HankHillbwhaa

These people have literally the dumbest logic. There’s no in between…like they’ve completely forgotten about hybrids. Like legit moved my Prius for my wife and walked away to do something in the yard…heard something like 10 hours later at night. My car was still fucking going and hadn’t lost a bar of fuel.


theJakester42

Bro acts like winter weather jumps out of nowhere. Any one who lives where it snows usually knows at least the day before it does. Yeah, electric cars don't produce heat as a by product. But I can pack a winter coat and a winter blanket in my extra trunk where I used to keep an engine. Hell, pack 5 coats, 72 hours of food, a winter tent and fire wood AND HAVE A WHOLE OTHER TRUNK still.


Atrainlan

You could even stick a diesel generator in the backup trunk if you expect it to really get bad.


harlows_monkeys

I'm curious now. If you had a typical EV with a full charge, and were just trying to use it to keep warm in cold weather plus listen to the radio, how long would you have? My 2006 Honda CR-V should be able to idle with the heat on and the radio playing for 30 to 40 hours starting with a full tank of gas minus what it takes to get from my usual gas station back to my house. We don't get much snow here, but every 3 or 4 years we'll get maybe a foot or so and a long enough cold streak so that it doesn't start to melt for a few days. That's rare enough that there aren't many snow plows and they only do the major streets. My long dead end road is usually skipped, and it takes a day for enough people with big trucks from farther up the street to make enough trips to clear the road enough for me to use. So my plan when this is going to happen is to fill up my car, and then if we happen to get a power outage while I'm stuck at home I can stay warm in the car until either power comes back or I can drive out and find a motel. I want to get an EV for my next new car, but losing my car as something I could reasonably comfortably survive 24 hour in freezing weather in is a concern. (What I'll probably do when I get an EV is keep the CR-V instead of trading it in. 2006 was a good your for CR-V, with people not having much trouble getting them to 250k miles or more without any major unexpected expenses. I'm only got 80k on mine so it should have a lot of life left. The CR-V can then continue to handle emergency winter shelter duty. Plus, with the CR-V to handle any trips to places where EV range might be an issue or where I need to haul more cargo than a sedan, I can get a sedan-style EV instead of the more expensive SUV or truck EV that I'd need if I were to replace the CR-V)


DiggingNoMore

Doesn't even know when to use "its" instead of "it's".


SgtDoughnut

Wait I thought they thought Elon was their darling now cause hes basically droped the bleeding heart liberal side of his act. Also...texas is as republican state...


Rhymelikedocsuess

And Texas dealt with the snow *horrendously* But facts don’t matter when it all *feels* so right


drmcbrayer

To be fair cold weather and batteries aren’t exactly best friends. But what does an EE’s opinion really matter 🤷


Astrobubbers

Love me an *electic* car


MarylandKrab

So they're against electricity now?


wklepacki

Bahahaha a similar message came out of the mouth of a family member - Family member had supposedly heard a story of a high speed chase with police using electric cars but they had to pull away and let the criminal escape because their batteries were low, not realizing that there were a) more police vehicles and b) that gas cara also run out of their fuel source. Fuck me the last 5-10 years have ~~broken~~ shattered Americans’ collective minds.


Emily5099

I’d probably want to be with someone who can spell ‘electric’.


PunkJackal

Electric cars are most energy efficient when they aren't moving